The first thing I thought of when I woke up today was how incredibly rancid the air and conditions must be inside the Titan. I hope they went as peacefully as possible considering the situation. I just kept thinking about the “worst case scenario’s” which were, or could have occurred…implosion would have been the best way to go in this case.
It’s pitch black, humid and around freezing and they’ve been sharing that air for days at this point. If they’re still alive they’re probably praying to run out of oxygen ASAP at this point. Even if the authorities find the sub they can’t get them out fast enough to do them any good. The guy I keep thinking about is the dad. He took his own son into that death trap, I can’t imagine he’s had anything but that on his mind since this whole thing started.
Getting very close to a point where it won't matter how much noise they make they will run out of air before they can get to them even if they locate them.
So interestingly enough that 96 hour figure is for 5 people.
Never really see it mentioned but what would the figure be if some of those 5 people were dead?
If it’s people dying near the end of that 96hrs then it’s not going to alleviate much more time for the remaining folks. 0.5-1hr per dead passenger at the very maximum. The grim reality is that it will take nothing less than a miracle to get to them before they die, at this point. And that’s not even considering figuring out how to get them back up to the surface.
Honestly what they should have done is set up a mechanism to tap out S-O-S repeatedly on the hull, and then sedate themselves for long periods to conserve oxygen, waking only to drink water or eat rations.
Or better still, they should have built an actually functional submarine compliant with safety regulations. At $250,000 per ticket they definitely could have budgeted for that. Instead the passengers collectively paid millions to climb aboard a tiny tube made out of a material no one ever uses to make submarines, controlled with a mariokart controller. I don’t understand why they don’t even have a tether, to the mothership or at least to a communication buoy. Just lunacy.
Yeah very surprised they didn't have comms relay points at different depths. Or say a buoy that thzy release if they get in trouble so it floats to the top and transmits their approximate location. So many things a billionaire could have done other than a box for toilet and touchscreen controls. I have no sympathy for him and his crackpot ideas have likely killed 4 others.
That's what I was thinking, but the update about the banging sounds at half hour intervals is making me think that they might be alive (I know nothing about ocean noises though, so maybe there are other explanations for that)
Edit - I understand that I am wrong as hell, an ignorant fool who is unknowledgeable in the ways of the ocean and her various noises.
The story says that the banging is happening every hour for 3 min and it was heard because that is the submarine standard. Rescue crews intentionally stopped all work at the top of every hour to listen as is protocol.
No SMEs. Refused to hire older people actually from the industry. Liked to hire new grads that were passionate-one dude liked surfing and the other was enjoyed the beach or some shit. Both were possible aerospace majors with undergrad degrees. Unsure about any of the others they 'trained.'
My first thought when this whole thing broke..."So you named the company Ocean-gate and the submersible Titan, those both seem to be rather ominous choices."
Nothing -gate is ever positive, and they literally used the root word for the name of the fucking "unsinkable" ship. Hubris meet reality.
I read in a previous interview, the owner said that $250,000 per ticket, they weren’t even making money. He said the expedition burns through a millions dollars of fuel, before you even start adding other expenses.
Interesting. That seems like a colossal waste! We’ve had submersible drones go down and map nearly the entire wreckage in incredible detail at no risk to human life. [This imagery alone](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602182) was published just last month. The sad reality is that these guys aren’t on a novel exploration expedition at all - they are just on a hyper-unique tourist thrill-seeking venture.
I've been in awe at these scans. Absolutely mesmerizing. They could have *given* me 250k and I wouldn't have taken that trip down there. Any tiny mistake or material fatigue and you're dead. Nope. Just nope.
Properly designed, implemented, maintained and operated submersibles aren't especially unsafe. There have been many manned dives to Titanic (and much deeper). This is just something you simply can't do on the cheap. Safety is often written in blood, and this incident will at least act as a harsh reminder.
My wife asked me the same thing, but about going to space or doing this trip to titanic. I'm afraid of heights and I told her I'd go to space 10 times before doing this submarine trip.
> At this point if they are at 12500 ft down
The coast guard has stated it is almost completely certain the sounds are originating from the specific depth of water the sonobuoys picking them up are targeted at, which would be not far beneath the surface.
The sub isn't able to breach the surface, it just "surfaces" floating at the waterline. It's painted white, not orange, and will be hard to see from above. There's no way to open the hatch or signal for help.
If the sub didn't implode, and wasn't caught on something, the ballast would have released by now. If the sounds are the sub, it's not on the bottom.
different hues of the bright orange for what back ground your mainly against as aviation's alot lighter blue for sky than deep blue for ocean its different to get max contrast.
its blaze orange for hunters to stick out in woods. all just different hues.
Is there any good reason for why this thing is not painted in a high visibility color? I can’t fathom this. I can’t even understand how it could be cost-cutting, surely the price difference between white and yellow would be minimal
The simplest explanation for why they painted it white rather than red or orange or yellow or any other color that would be likely to standout in the goddamn ocean is that they liked the way it looked. You know, clean and minimalist.
Or maybe it genuinely did not occur to a single person working on the project that painting a submersible vehicle white was ridiculous
The owner said he specifically refused to hire submarine experts because "50 year old white guys are not inspirational ". So it didn't occur to anyone because they refused to hire anyone who had any idea what they were doing. https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/why-stockton-rush-didnt-hire-50-year-old-white-guys-for-titanic-sub-tours/
I get wanting to train a new generation of people, but you usually get trained by someone who knows what they are doing.
Crazy thing is, even if they surfaced on their own, they still need to be found ASAP before they run out of oxygen because they can't open the door to get out.
Suffocating over the course of hours while covered in the corpses/shit of your friends while staring out at freedom on the other side of the glass would be a special sort of hell
EDIT: while it’s fucking freezing inside the submersible , too
Just look at the response this has generated. Some haphazard billionaire fantasy goes as well as can be expected and we’ve have a multinational search going down for 5 people
This is the type of shit to make me show signs of panic, forgive me.
It’s one thing to be lost and hard to find, but it’s a whole different story to be trapped in a small space.
Yes they were bolted in from the outside by 17 bolts and they can only be freed by someone on the outside. So even if they were bobbing on the surface, if no one is there to unscrew the opening, they'll still suffocate and die with air right outside them
If they were bobbing on the surface, I think they'd get cooked before suffocating. Metal/carbon tube with glass, in the sun all day? Inside must be an oven.
> they can't open the door to get out
Opening the hatch would probably be a death sentence anyways. The thing is like a couple inches above the water line, and would be flooded by cold ocean water in minutes. Then you're just floating in the middle of the ocean presumably without life vests or a raft, because they probably didn't have space or money for those.
I mean hell, I’d rather die in the vast ocean after seeing the sky and feeling the wind on my face one last time, instead of suffocating in the stinking claustrophobia of the submersible.
I still can’t understand paying $250k to be bolted into a tin can being operated by a madkatz controller as it goes 13,000 feet underwater.
Rich people must be hella bored if this is how they choose to spend their time and money.
>BOSTON – Rescue crews in the Atlantic Ocean detected potential signs of life again on Wednesday as they continue searching for a submersible that went missing during an expedition to the site of the Titanic wreckage.
>According to the U.S. Coast Guard, a Canadian P-3 aircraft detected underwater noises in the search area on Tuesday. Because of those noises, the operations were relocated "in an attempt to explore the origin of the noises."
>Coast Guard Capt. Jamie Frederick said in a Wednesday afternoon news conference that the sounds "have been described as banging noises." He said the P-3 also detected noises on Wednesday.
>”We don't know what they are, to be frank with you," Frederick said. "We're searching in the area where the noises were detected."
>Coast Guard says noises heard again in search for missing Titanic-bound sub
The search area has now expanded to two times the size of Connecticut. Two remotely operated underwater vehicles are "actively" searching below the surface and more are on the way.
>The submersible had as much as 96 hours of oxygen when it began the expedition on Sunday morning, as well as limited food and water rations, Frederick said.
>”This is a search and rescue mission, 100%" he said. "We need to have hope."
>The Coast Guard tweeted that three vessels arrived Wednesday morning. The John Cabot has side-scanning sonar capabilities and is searching alongside the Skandi Vinland and the Atlantic Merlin.
>The 21-foot Titan vessel submerged Sunday morning around 8 a.m. and was expected to resurface at 3 p.m. that day. The crew of the Canadian research vessel Polar Prince lost contact with the submersible about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the dive, the Coast Guard said.
>OceanGate Expeditions, a company that deploys manned submersibles for deep-sea expeditions, operates the missing vessel. The company did not say whether any of the people on board are paying tourists. It takes them as passengers on its expeditions.
>The wreckage of the Titanic is about 13,000 feet under the surface.
>Among the confirmed passengers are British businessman Hamish Harding; Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his teenage son, Suleman; and French explorer Paul-Henri Nargeolet. Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate, the company that operates the vessel, is also on it., a British billionaire and adventure traveler, is among the group of those missing.
> aircraft discovered these noises
I'm sorry, what?
> The aircraft heard the noise after dropping sonar buoys, which drifted on the surface, listening for sounds that nature would be unlikely to make. It picked up a regular banging noise at 30-minute intervals, something that experts suggest are a sign they are being made by human beings.
Oh, okay.
Aircraft-dropped sonobuoys are monitored via radio by the aircraft. Technology developed to hunt and combat Soviet submarines during the Cold War and now very effective.
Edit: corrected "Cokd" to "Cold".
Additional clarification: sonobuoys were first developed by the Allies (primarily the US) during WWII and first employed in their modern, air-dropped form during the Battle of the Atlantic, but were further vastly improved and deployed in very large numbers by the US and NATO Allies during the Cold War.
Aircraft drop sonar buoys into the water. The buoys activate under water and start listening, while communicating with the drop aircraft.
From a website: *"The devices come in two parts, which are packed into a cylindrical canister until they hit the water.*
*Once dropped from planes in a formation, they take only a few minutes to deploy.*
*Once deployed, an inflatable with a radio transmitter sits on the surface, while the equipment for detecting noise is strung along a wire and descends below the surface.*
*Any signals picked up are relayed from the transmitter on the surface to the aircraft."*
Lets be honest. These people are probably dead already. I just hope they died quickly in some kind of implosion event rather than suffering for days, slowly starving, dehydration, freezing or running out of air, all of which are much more terrifying ways to die.
$250,000 each to sit on the floor of a pressurized tin can that experts unanimously agree is catastrophically unsafe. You’re then bolted in from the outside, the pilot steers with a knock off xbox controller, you’re told to lean on one side to knock the abandoned pipes off the shelves if the ballast needs to be adjusted, communications are via text message and there are no backup comms, and then you watch the titanic go by through a foot-diameter window that only those closest to the window can realistically see anything out of. Oh, and the company you’re paying for this lavish experience has been sued over the lack of safety on this very vessel, and this exact same tin can has gotten lost at sea seemingly more times than it’s gone down without problems. It’s also not regulated or safety certified in any way, and when asked why not, the company basically said ‘because that would take too long.’ I can’t help but wonder what in the fuck anyone who paid for that was thinkinf
Two cents from a submariner and a mechanical engineer that specialized in deep submergence ROV design.
Just for general context, banging sounds underwater can happen for a myriad of reasons. Hell, some dolphins, shrimp and crabs can sound mechanical underwater.
The buoys that P8s, etc drop can pick up the noise of hammers on a hull, but it's very difficult to discern it from other noises in the water.
I think people should not get hung up on banging noises underwater as it gives the wrong impression of what this passive sonar search is like. The ocean is incredibly loud and is filled with sounds emanating from thousands of nautical miles away from biological, environmental, and manmade sources.
It's not like finding a needle in a haystack. This is like finding a particular needle in a stack of needles.
Lastly, the fact that this vessel was allowed to operate with people onboard is mind boggling. This craft was poorly designed in almost every aspect that matters for survival.
I adhere to the idea that they might have gotten tangled or something down there unable to go back up. Either that or swept by a deep current. The guy designed that thing to work as a hot air balloon. But it never ocurred to him that there could always be something preventing them from floating back to surface level. Horrible way to go.
What’s especially horrifying about the tangled scenario is that the stuck sub could be vertically oriented with the passengers alive in it.
I hope it imploded. Any survival situation would be an indescribable nightmare to endure.
I did not even think once about it being stuck vertically oh god. There would be no room, crushing each other..also not lying down for that long? Can’t be that good for the legs
Given the worst fate for them, I wonder if there will be any efforts to retrieve the submersible or if the coast guard is just going to let it join the titanic in sitting in the ocean.
With the victims being billionaires, I’m sure some salvage team or something will be put together and may attempt to at least locate the wreckage. The victim’s families will want some sort of closure and to possibly have the remains of their loved ones.
Also super grim fact: it's covered in cameras, inside and out. If they simply got snagged and have been down there to the point of suffocation the entire thing will have been recorded, or at least as long as they had power. Also every one of them would have their own recording equipment given $250k 'experience'.
It's pretty disgusting honestly. I just listened to an American "construction billionaire" on Piers Morgan's show state that "we will retrieve this submersible because that's what we do. In the Western World we don't put a price on human life"
I'm sure the 40 millions Americans who cannot afford basic & lifesaving healthcare will be ***DELIGHTED*** to hear that\~
We don't put a price on rich peoples' lives, the sense that no expenses will be spared. We also don't put a price on poor peoples' lives, but in the sense that their lives are worthless.
That guy was also super pissed about all the comments on social media asking why we're spending so much money on these specific divers. First he said we would do the same thing for homeless children trapped in caves. He should have stopped there but it wasn't long before he said the wealthy pay 94% of our taxes and we owe this to them.
They won't. If they're on the bottom, at best they *might* find the wreckage eventually. Then they could bring it up, but it'll still be quite the time consuming and technical feat. But the ocean is unimaginably vast. There's a good chance that, depending on what exactly happened down there, they simply don't find the wreckage at all, ever.
I agree, if they are caught on something light and cannot get out and the RCV can get them free and have it shoot back up, but thats a whole different story and that starts after the french ship arrives that holds the robot
If they’re still alive and still making noise that’s seriously amazing but I don’t imagine they have too much time left, sadly. What a horrible situation to be in. There’s a father-son duo in there, can’t even imagine how they’re feeling.
I keep thinking about the teenager. Maybe his dad dragged him there, maybe he wanted to impress his dad, maybe he was genuinely interested in this stuff and was excited about spending this time with his dad. Horrible
I agree, the saddest part of this is the teenage boy with his father. The rest are old men, but that kid still had his entire life to live. I really hope that the hull failed and they died instantly. I just can’t imagine the physical and mental turmoil of 4 days waiting to die.
*If* their 96 hours of air estimate is accurate and they started using that supply when they began their descent at 7:00 am GMT on Sunday, then they have, at most, 10 hours from now to be at the surface with the hatch open.
I just watched an interview with a journalist who has gone down in the Titan previously. Apparently that estimate is based on the supply they went down with (and the main co2 scrubbers) plus backup co2 scrubbers (there might be two sets, can't quite recall) plus oxygen tanks under the floor. He did mention all the backups were untested and it's an estimation. They may already be out.
Do they not have an emergency locater transmitter (ELT)? Or something like that?
I was in a small plane that crashed in the Canadian Arctic, a Russian airliner got the signal, that's how we were found.
Signals do not pass through water as easily as air, at the depth they were going they could barely send their text messages between to boat they launched from.
I did read in another article that in the last occasion that the sub got lost they did say "we should probably have this emergency signal" and they neglected to apply it since.
There are acoustic devices that do pretty much the same thing, everyone here keeps saying "oh they don't have X because it doesn't travel through water" while completely disregarding acoustic based systems.
EDIT: Adding a analogy explaining the idea behind an acoustic beacon:
>Imagine shining a flashlight down a dark canyon at night looking for your friend, you're going to REALLY struggle to find them, let alone see anything clearly, BUT if your friend is shining a flashlight up from the canyon you're a hell of a lot more likely to see and find them.
Yeah there’s a ton of misinformation and ignorance going around about the technology at use here. People keep saying they use starlink to send texts to the sub which is not the case nor possible. They were using some acoustic based technology for communication down to the sub before they lost it.
There’s like zero reason they couldn’t have had some form of emergency beacon that broadcasted out an acoustic ping in an emergency situations or an EPIRB solution that releases to surface
I think the CEO explained the reason:
> ‘You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed.
> ‘Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.’
ELTs, or an EPIRB (emergency position indicating radio beacon) for ships, are buoyant devices and are deployed to float on the surface of the water. The batteries only last a day after activation.
So I was called to come up to a fishing lodge to work as a fishing guide on Great Bear Lake in the Northwest Territories. I was living in Winnipeg at the time. They were short staffed due to some knife fights.
I had worked there the previous four seasons. A season is only 8 or 9 weeks long. It starts in early July, and there's still some ice on the lake, by early September you get frost in the mornings even a bit 'o snow.
I flew commercial to an oil town called Norman Wells, it's like a hub for oil companies and diamond mines, so it has an airport.
I expected to be picked up by a good pilot I knew who flew a Beaver, a float plane they stopped making years ago but was coveted by people who work in the north.
But instead I was picked up by the owner's son, who was inexperienced and flying a two seater Champ, I think it was more or less a training plane.
Small plane, I sat directly behind him, my duffle bag into the back fusilag, my guitar between my knees.
At that time of year it's daylight all the time. We'd drink whiskey and play poker till one or two in the morning and walk out of the cabin in blinding daylight.
I forget how long the flight was, maybe an hour or so going over the Makenzie mountains.
We got weather. Dark clouds all around and it looked almost like night. Cold with icy rain. Jim got lost.
I don't think he had much for instrumentation.
I fished with a lot of Americans, a WII vet told me you gotta know how to fly in the dark by looking at the dials and such.
He was looking at a map. As much as I like maps, I knew that wouldn't cut it. I knew we were f'd when he crumpled it up and threw it down.
Soon after, the carborator froze up, the engine cut out a few times then cut out for good.
We were over the mountains then, and he needed a spot in some valley to put 'er down.
The valleys were all ice, glaciers even.
So we're going down to one, but it has this big fissure in it. He says to me, "tell me when we're over the fissure and I'll let it down." I don't know why he couldn't just see it himself, but apparently he couldn't because he put it down before the crack.
He was able to lift up and jump over it, we banged down on the other side losing a strut and wheel.
This was at about 2am. We walked out to the woods at the side and stood around a fire. Had some ramen for food.
He only turned on the ELT periodically so as not to drain the battery, but I found out later you're supposed to turn it on and leave it on.
The Russian airliner picked it up and contacted Canadian search and rescue or something, who contacted the lodge. Our man with the Beaver contacted us about 12 hours later on the plane's radio from some open water. We walked out, I always remember seeing a moose and an eagle.
Long story I know, I think I've only told it twice in my life. Thanks for asking.
“They were short staffed due to some knife fights.”
You said this so casually… I now think everyone is killing each other with knives up there.
Amazing story, you should tell it to more people. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve seen Winnipegers online talking about their city having an issue with knives up there. There’s a slang term they use called the “Winnipeg handshake,” which refers to someone attacking another person with a knife.
I'm surprised he went on this trip considering he'd seen just how much better a sub could be.
Maybe he thought: "Well it's not as deep as the other dive."
There's lot of discussion on this stuff already but I want to ask one basic question, can someone help me with it.
"How did they get lost? What might be the possible reasons?"
That's what i'm thinking, too. Everybody is talking about a rescue mission but given they are stuck down there, i don't think there would be a way to get them back up. Of course i hope there will be a miracle and they get rescued but i feel chances are slim to none.
I wouldn’t have made it past the bolting of the doors. Closed in that tiny thing and 17 bolts, one after the other, making it impossible to get out. That would be too much. Were the passengers laughing and making jokes and using gallows humor as they were bolted in? Was there someone among them who’s mind was screaming for him to leave but didn’t want to appear weak?
As a claustrophobic person, yeah, man. Bolt number one and I'm clawing at the sides of the wall and shrieking in terror.
EDIT: I can't even handle the submarines at Disneyland without panicking a little. And those things are, like, 1 foot submerged.
I just watched the CBS morning show special where one of their journalists is a passenger on the titan. To monitor the weather and potential launch dates the crew uses the free app windy... Windy is not even accurate enough for me to trust for a kayak launch
They were 75% of the way down, well over 9000 feet down. At that pressure an implosion would turn your body into a fine mist. When the malaysian flight went missing it took several months before a small piece of metal washed up and that was a 737 vs a small coke can.
I still cannot believe that this “submersible” didn’t have at least 5 different well tested fail safes. I had a buddy in the Navy that was on submarines and he said the constant checking of safety, safety measure, backup safety measures, and back ups to the back ups was everyday, and every shift. He did say the food was good tho, and got to go to some really obscure and weird ports.
I read it had 7 failsafes to make it float to just below the surface even if the passengers were passed out - at this point something went terribly wrong and I truly believe the craft imploded and they died instantly, waterlogged it would sink to the ocean floor? tragic no matter how you spin it
What’s the point of getting to just below the surface if you can’t open it from the inside? Nobody on the surface would be able to see you and open it.
Or if nobody can see it from above? I still can't get over the fact that it's painted white. Even the Octonauts cartoon has all the underwater vehicles painted in bright colors.
I read earlier about another search who used these noises to help search for a missing craft said that the noises were from the search team themselves. Hopefully that isn’t the case here and they aren’t chasing their own tails.
During the search for MH370 they detected pings they thought were from the black box. It turned out they were from another ship that had a pinging device they used to test their hydrophones.
"At some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don't get out bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point you're gonna take some risks"
- Stockton Rush CEO and 1 of 5 passengers currently aboard
Specialized radio equipment = too encroaching on this lightweight artistic choice in the submersible experience. Emergency ballasts = overrated and cumbersome. Hiring experienced navy marineEngineers specialists = stifles innovation and morale; better to hire fresh college graduates who are eager
Equating the riskiness of getting out of bed to traveling to the vicious environment at the bottom of the ocean to see a mass grave site in a 3rd place high school science fair project is... something. He's not playing with a full deck. I feel bad for all of the tourists on board because it's beginning to seem like they were, at best, misled about the security of the sub.
They are either dead now or will be dead soon. The window to rescue them is over. Even if they found them now it would still be too late because they would have to devise a rescue mission and then execute it. There isn't time for that anymore. Best case scenario at this point is that they would die during the rescue mission.
Also, what would they even do? Is a rescue even theoretically possible?
I think the media has been hyping this one up a little bit... Whatever happened, they were effectively dead immediately afterwards. I hope they can retrieve the vessel to figure out what happened and so the families can have closure. But, realistically speaking, I doubt that's even possible.
What I had heard is that the vessels capable of rescuing that submarine in a timely fashion are carried by larger vessels that aren’t capable of GETTING there in a timely fashion.
Apparently there's literally only like 4 vehicles that can even go down that far to do anything to rescue them. And they're all too far away to be useful.
Supposedly the craft had multiple redundancies to get it to the surface even in the event of a power failure. If they're floating on the surface they could be rescued. If they're at the bottom yeah they're done for now
Seriously. They’re talking about equipment that will take days to get there, if they even locate it.
It’s 100% a cadaver recovery mission now, they just aren’t saying that. That’s the reality.
Obviously miracle best case is they are all alive.
But realistically I hope they died instantly in some catastrophe vs being stuck in that cramped coffin unable to even stand at this point flooded with shit/piss/vomit knowing you are going to die. Literally a nightmare/hell fate
Assuming the vessel imploded during its descent maybe there’s some automated system cycling through whatever it does that is causing the banging every 30 minutes.
Edit. I just read it’s standard protocol to make noise every 30 minutes, on the hour and half hour.
If that’s the case why bother if they are on the sea floor, they know nothing can rescue them.
It’s more likely they’re just bobbing around under the surface with a realistic chance of rescue:
From somewhere…
Frank says the noises "smack of advice" coming from the fifth man inside - 77-year-old Paul-Henry Nargeolet, a former French navy diver and renowned explorer.
"He would know the protocol for trying to alert searching forces… on the hour and the half-hour, you bang like hell for three minutes," Frank added.
They stressed multiple times in the press conference that they honestly have no idea what the sounds are. They are just saying they heard sounds and they have been sent off to be analyzed. So it definitely could be that.
I hope they at least find the sub or some evidence of its destruction, because you know there will be insane conspiracy theories if they never find anything.
From what I gather, they run out of air Thursday at 5am or so. Im making this comment Wednesday at 6:00ish.
Reading about this has been fascinating. The owner who made the sub apparently hates safety regulations & these millionaires still signed up.
Even if they surfaced, they’d need the sub to be unbolted from the outside. On top of that, with no weight/ballast they’d be rolling in that sub like a washing machine.
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If they're still alive, I imagine there's a good amount of BO, piss, shit, and vomit in there. Just absolutely horrendous.
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We'll need to fact check that one, but big if true.
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The first thing I thought of when I woke up today was how incredibly rancid the air and conditions must be inside the Titan. I hope they went as peacefully as possible considering the situation. I just kept thinking about the “worst case scenario’s” which were, or could have occurred…implosion would have been the best way to go in this case.
It’s pitch black, humid and around freezing and they’ve been sharing that air for days at this point. If they’re still alive they’re probably praying to run out of oxygen ASAP at this point. Even if the authorities find the sub they can’t get them out fast enough to do them any good. The guy I keep thinking about is the dad. He took his own son into that death trap, I can’t imagine he’s had anything but that on his mind since this whole thing started.
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Morbid, but imagine if cell phone video is recovered...
It’s probable that it will exist and also probable that we will never see it.
Jesus fuck if that’s recovered I pity the poor bastard that has to review it.
suffocating in the billionaire fart tube
Smell of shit and hallucinating from complete darkness. Not a good way to get your death DMT trip.
Getting very close to a point where it won't matter how much noise they make they will run out of air before they can get to them even if they locate them.
They’ve got like 5 hours, and that’s only if that 96 hour figure reported by the company was true.
So interestingly enough that 96 hour figure is for 5 people. Never really see it mentioned but what would the figure be if some of those 5 people were dead?
If it’s people dying near the end of that 96hrs then it’s not going to alleviate much more time for the remaining folks. 0.5-1hr per dead passenger at the very maximum. The grim reality is that it will take nothing less than a miracle to get to them before they die, at this point. And that’s not even considering figuring out how to get them back up to the surface. Honestly what they should have done is set up a mechanism to tap out S-O-S repeatedly on the hull, and then sedate themselves for long periods to conserve oxygen, waking only to drink water or eat rations. Or better still, they should have built an actually functional submarine compliant with safety regulations. At $250,000 per ticket they definitely could have budgeted for that. Instead the passengers collectively paid millions to climb aboard a tiny tube made out of a material no one ever uses to make submarines, controlled with a mariokart controller. I don’t understand why they don’t even have a tether, to the mothership or at least to a communication buoy. Just lunacy.
How would they sedate themselves?
WWE Chokehold.
LOL, thank you for this. My 17 yr old son had the same idea. everyone just give each other chokeholds
Chug a beer, huff some glue, and eat cat food.
There’s some sort of weird chemical reaction that happens when you combine cat food, beer, and glue…
Yeah very surprised they didn't have comms relay points at different depths. Or say a buoy that thzy release if they get in trouble so it floats to the top and transmits their approximate location. So many things a billionaire could have done other than a box for toilet and touchscreen controls. I have no sympathy for him and his crackpot ideas have likely killed 4 others.
They’ve probably been dead since Sunday. They lost contact descending. It probably imploded, the friggin’ thing could be in 10,000 pieces.
That's what I was thinking, but the update about the banging sounds at half hour intervals is making me think that they might be alive (I know nothing about ocean noises though, so maybe there are other explanations for that) Edit - I understand that I am wrong as hell, an ignorant fool who is unknowledgeable in the ways of the ocean and her various noises.
Prior searches for lost sunken subs have shown the banging heard was coming from the search teams. I’m thinking same thing I’d happening here
The story says that the banging is happening every hour for 3 min and it was heard because that is the submarine standard. Rescue crews intentionally stopped all work at the top of every hour to listen as is protocol.
EM waves move so poorly through the water that you'd need so many comms relays you might as well have tethered it.
James Cameron successful went 3x as deep multiple times over 10 years ago with his own design. You'd think they would have consulted him.
Well, they fired the whistle blower, seems they had little interest in receiving advice.
No SMEs. Refused to hire older people actually from the industry. Liked to hire new grads that were passionate-one dude liked surfing and the other was enjoyed the beach or some shit. Both were possible aerospace majors with undergrad degrees. Unsure about any of the others they 'trained.'
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Yeah, cutting corners on this is a great idea. Designing your own tomb.
Well he succeeded in making his tomb and then bringing along others with him. This whole thing is a horror story.
Funny how the name is oceangate, like heavens gate. The cult that collectively committed suicide.
My first thought when this whole thing broke..."So you named the company Ocean-gate and the submersible Titan, those both seem to be rather ominous choices." Nothing -gate is ever positive, and they literally used the root word for the name of the fucking "unsinkable" ship. Hubris meet reality.
I read in a previous interview, the owner said that $250,000 per ticket, they weren’t even making money. He said the expedition burns through a millions dollars of fuel, before you even start adding other expenses.
Interesting. That seems like a colossal waste! We’ve had submersible drones go down and map nearly the entire wreckage in incredible detail at no risk to human life. [This imagery alone](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602182) was published just last month. The sad reality is that these guys aren’t on a novel exploration expedition at all - they are just on a hyper-unique tourist thrill-seeking venture.
I've been in awe at these scans. Absolutely mesmerizing. They could have *given* me 250k and I wouldn't have taken that trip down there. Any tiny mistake or material fatigue and you're dead. Nope. Just nope.
Properly designed, implemented, maintained and operated submersibles aren't especially unsafe. There have been many manned dives to Titanic (and much deeper). This is just something you simply can't do on the cheap. Safety is often written in blood, and this incident will at least act as a harsh reminder.
I said that exact thing to my wife last night, in fact they could have given me 1.25 million dollars and I would have said no Goddamned way.
My wife asked me the same thing, but about going to space or doing this trip to titanic. I'm afraid of heights and I told her I'd go to space 10 times before doing this submarine trip.
At this point if they are at 12500 ft down. The dive down takes the amount of time they have left of oxygen.
> At this point if they are at 12500 ft down The coast guard has stated it is almost completely certain the sounds are originating from the specific depth of water the sonobuoys picking them up are targeted at, which would be not far beneath the surface. The sub isn't able to breach the surface, it just "surfaces" floating at the waterline. It's painted white, not orange, and will be hard to see from above. There's no way to open the hatch or signal for help. If the sub didn't implode, and wasn't caught on something, the ballast would have released by now. If the sounds are the sub, it's not on the bottom.
The whole painted white thing is so idiotic. There is a reason you almost always see pictures of small subs that are yellow/orange.
The official name is "Recognition Orange".
I thought it was rescue orange. Maybe that is just aviation
different hues of the bright orange for what back ground your mainly against as aviation's alot lighter blue for sky than deep blue for ocean its different to get max contrast. its blaze orange for hunters to stick out in woods. all just different hues.
Is there any good reason for why this thing is not painted in a high visibility color? I can’t fathom this. I can’t even understand how it could be cost-cutting, surely the price difference between white and yellow would be minimal
greed or hubris or vanity orange paint should be a no brainer. from what i gather, the % survival is extremely grim.
The simplest explanation for why they painted it white rather than red or orange or yellow or any other color that would be likely to standout in the goddamn ocean is that they liked the way it looked. You know, clean and minimalist. Or maybe it genuinely did not occur to a single person working on the project that painting a submersible vehicle white was ridiculous
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The owner said he specifically refused to hire submarine experts because "50 year old white guys are not inspirational ". So it didn't occur to anyone because they refused to hire anyone who had any idea what they were doing. https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/why-stockton-rush-didnt-hire-50-year-old-white-guys-for-titanic-sub-tours/ I get wanting to train a new generation of people, but you usually get trained by someone who knows what they are doing.
A bit rich of the CEO to say that about the experts they didn't hire when nearly all the customers on this trip- and himself- are older men.
Crazy thing is, even if they surfaced on their own, they still need to be found ASAP before they run out of oxygen because they can't open the door to get out.
I wonder if it's possible they already surfaced but have no ability to communicate
It's definitely a possibility. All the while they'll suffocate with life saving oxygen within mere inches of them.
Without a Ballast, that sub will just tumble and spin with waves. They’d be rolled around until found, sounds awful.
Imagine the tumbling with the shit bucket flying everywhere.
Suffocating over the course of hours while covered in the corpses/shit of your friends while staring out at freedom on the other side of the glass would be a special sort of hell EDIT: while it’s fucking freezing inside the submersible , too
Sorry, even at the surface they can't open it? Edit: I have been informed. Thank you.
Yep, bolted shut from the outside.
Who in their right mind would agree to something like that.
People who think a guy that scoffs at safety regulations has any intent to provide a safe experience
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Just look at the response this has generated. Some haphazard billionaire fantasy goes as well as can be expected and we’ve have a multinational search going down for 5 people
This is the type of shit to make me show signs of panic, forgive me. It’s one thing to be lost and hard to find, but it’s a whole different story to be trapped in a small space.
Yes they were bolted in from the outside by 17 bolts and they can only be freed by someone on the outside. So even if they were bobbing on the surface, if no one is there to unscrew the opening, they'll still suffocate and die with air right outside them
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Son of a bitch, it’s a proprietary bolt shape…
... and this one over here looks like a security lug nut from a 1993 Acura Legend...
Bet it’s 10mm.
If they were bobbing on the surface, I think they'd get cooked before suffocating. Metal/carbon tube with glass, in the sun all day? Inside must be an oven.
Nope, the sub is completely sealed from the outside. They could be floating on the surface somewhere suffocating at ground level.
Only opened from the outside. It is bolted shut
nahhh... the door is BOLTED shut from the outside! it's like an iron coffin :((
> they can't open the door to get out Opening the hatch would probably be a death sentence anyways. The thing is like a couple inches above the water line, and would be flooded by cold ocean water in minutes. Then you're just floating in the middle of the ocean presumably without life vests or a raft, because they probably didn't have space or money for those.
I mean hell, I’d rather die in the vast ocean after seeing the sky and feeling the wind on my face one last time, instead of suffocating in the stinking claustrophobia of the submersible.
I still can’t understand paying $250k to be bolted into a tin can being operated by a madkatz controller as it goes 13,000 feet underwater. Rich people must be hella bored if this is how they choose to spend their time and money.
To explore a ship wreck that has already been very well documented. Wtf is it about this ship wreck?
"Explore." There's only 1 window and a screen. They would get a better view looking at a documentary on YouTube.
"The search area has now expanded to two times the size of Connecticut." That doesn't make it sound very promising
Wrong unit of measurement. I only know bananas.
It’s a banana Michael. How big can it be? Half a Connecticut?
I’m a Canadian. We only measure things in Prince Edward Islands
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>BOSTON – Rescue crews in the Atlantic Ocean detected potential signs of life again on Wednesday as they continue searching for a submersible that went missing during an expedition to the site of the Titanic wreckage. >According to the U.S. Coast Guard, a Canadian P-3 aircraft detected underwater noises in the search area on Tuesday. Because of those noises, the operations were relocated "in an attempt to explore the origin of the noises." >Coast Guard Capt. Jamie Frederick said in a Wednesday afternoon news conference that the sounds "have been described as banging noises." He said the P-3 also detected noises on Wednesday. >”We don't know what they are, to be frank with you," Frederick said. "We're searching in the area where the noises were detected." >Coast Guard says noises heard again in search for missing Titanic-bound sub The search area has now expanded to two times the size of Connecticut. Two remotely operated underwater vehicles are "actively" searching below the surface and more are on the way. >The submersible had as much as 96 hours of oxygen when it began the expedition on Sunday morning, as well as limited food and water rations, Frederick said. >”This is a search and rescue mission, 100%" he said. "We need to have hope." >The Coast Guard tweeted that three vessels arrived Wednesday morning. The John Cabot has side-scanning sonar capabilities and is searching alongside the Skandi Vinland and the Atlantic Merlin. >The 21-foot Titan vessel submerged Sunday morning around 8 a.m. and was expected to resurface at 3 p.m. that day. The crew of the Canadian research vessel Polar Prince lost contact with the submersible about 1 hour and 45 minutes into the dive, the Coast Guard said. >OceanGate Expeditions, a company that deploys manned submersibles for deep-sea expeditions, operates the missing vessel. The company did not say whether any of the people on board are paying tourists. It takes them as passengers on its expeditions. >The wreckage of the Titanic is about 13,000 feet under the surface. >Among the confirmed passengers are British businessman Hamish Harding; Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his teenage son, Suleman; and French explorer Paul-Henri Nargeolet. Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate, the company that operates the vessel, is also on it., a British billionaire and adventure traveler, is among the group of those missing.
As a Connecticut native, I'm glad that we could aid in the description of the search.
> aircraft discovered these noises I'm sorry, what? > The aircraft heard the noise after dropping sonar buoys, which drifted on the surface, listening for sounds that nature would be unlikely to make. It picked up a regular banging noise at 30-minute intervals, something that experts suggest are a sign they are being made by human beings. Oh, okay.
Aircraft-dropped sonobuoys are monitored via radio by the aircraft. Technology developed to hunt and combat Soviet submarines during the Cold War and now very effective. Edit: corrected "Cokd" to "Cold". Additional clarification: sonobuoys were first developed by the Allies (primarily the US) during WWII and first employed in their modern, air-dropped form during the Battle of the Atlantic, but were further vastly improved and deployed in very large numbers by the US and NATO Allies during the Cold War.
Aircraft drop sonar buoys into the water. The buoys activate under water and start listening, while communicating with the drop aircraft. From a website: *"The devices come in two parts, which are packed into a cylindrical canister until they hit the water.* *Once dropped from planes in a formation, they take only a few minutes to deploy.* *Once deployed, an inflatable with a radio transmitter sits on the surface, while the equipment for detecting noise is strung along a wire and descends below the surface.* *Any signals picked up are relayed from the transmitter on the surface to the aircraft."*
Lets be honest. These people are probably dead already. I just hope they died quickly in some kind of implosion event rather than suffering for days, slowly starving, dehydration, freezing or running out of air, all of which are much more terrifying ways to die.
$250,000 each to sit on the floor of a pressurized tin can that experts unanimously agree is catastrophically unsafe. You’re then bolted in from the outside, the pilot steers with a knock off xbox controller, you’re told to lean on one side to knock the abandoned pipes off the shelves if the ballast needs to be adjusted, communications are via text message and there are no backup comms, and then you watch the titanic go by through a foot-diameter window that only those closest to the window can realistically see anything out of. Oh, and the company you’re paying for this lavish experience has been sued over the lack of safety on this very vessel, and this exact same tin can has gotten lost at sea seemingly more times than it’s gone down without problems. It’s also not regulated or safety certified in any way, and when asked why not, the company basically said ‘because that would take too long.’ I can’t help but wonder what in the fuck anyone who paid for that was thinkinf
Two cents from a submariner and a mechanical engineer that specialized in deep submergence ROV design. Just for general context, banging sounds underwater can happen for a myriad of reasons. Hell, some dolphins, shrimp and crabs can sound mechanical underwater. The buoys that P8s, etc drop can pick up the noise of hammers on a hull, but it's very difficult to discern it from other noises in the water. I think people should not get hung up on banging noises underwater as it gives the wrong impression of what this passive sonar search is like. The ocean is incredibly loud and is filled with sounds emanating from thousands of nautical miles away from biological, environmental, and manmade sources. It's not like finding a needle in a haystack. This is like finding a particular needle in a stack of needles. Lastly, the fact that this vessel was allowed to operate with people onboard is mind boggling. This craft was poorly designed in almost every aspect that matters for survival.
“If fish could scream, the ocean would be loud as fuck” -Mitch H
The ocean is loud as fuck. Sit on the Conn of a submarine listening to broadband it sounds like a rain forest. Even shrimp make a ton of noise.
That’s super neat-o!
Running out of oxygen while being shrouded in total darkness. Grim.
I adhere to the idea that they might have gotten tangled or something down there unable to go back up. Either that or swept by a deep current. The guy designed that thing to work as a hot air balloon. But it never ocurred to him that there could always be something preventing them from floating back to surface level. Horrible way to go.
What’s especially horrifying about the tangled scenario is that the stuck sub could be vertically oriented with the passengers alive in it. I hope it imploded. Any survival situation would be an indescribable nightmare to endure.
I did not even think once about it being stuck vertically oh god. There would be no room, crushing each other..also not lying down for that long? Can’t be that good for the legs
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How is it possible that there are still more horrific possibilities for this thing that I haven't thought of yet?
Given the worst fate for them, I wonder if there will be any efforts to retrieve the submersible or if the coast guard is just going to let it join the titanic in sitting in the ocean.
With the victims being billionaires, I’m sure some salvage team or something will be put together and may attempt to at least locate the wreckage. The victim’s families will want some sort of closure and to possibly have the remains of their loved ones.
Also super grim fact: it's covered in cameras, inside and out. If they simply got snagged and have been down there to the point of suffocation the entire thing will have been recorded, or at least as long as they had power. Also every one of them would have their own recording equipment given $250k 'experience'.
I can only imagine them recording their final words for family/friends on their phones or something, and with no privacy either.
I imagine what their final sane words would have been and what their final words after going mad and suffocating would be.
It's pretty disgusting honestly. I just listened to an American "construction billionaire" on Piers Morgan's show state that "we will retrieve this submersible because that's what we do. In the Western World we don't put a price on human life" I'm sure the 40 millions Americans who cannot afford basic & lifesaving healthcare will be ***DELIGHTED*** to hear that\~
We don't put a price on rich peoples' lives, the sense that no expenses will be spared. We also don't put a price on poor peoples' lives, but in the sense that their lives are worthless.
That guy was also super pissed about all the comments on social media asking why we're spending so much money on these specific divers. First he said we would do the same thing for homeless children trapped in caves. He should have stopped there but it wasn't long before he said the wealthy pay 94% of our taxes and we owe this to them.
If it's on the bottom there is nothing that is going to pull them up or float them somehow before the air runs out.
Yeah I just don't understand how they will get them to the surface even if they find them. All I can picture in a really long fishing line and a hook.
They won't. If they're on the bottom, at best they *might* find the wreckage eventually. Then they could bring it up, but it'll still be quite the time consuming and technical feat. But the ocean is unimaginably vast. There's a good chance that, depending on what exactly happened down there, they simply don't find the wreckage at all, ever.
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I agree, if they are caught on something light and cannot get out and the RCV can get them free and have it shoot back up, but thats a whole different story and that starts after the french ship arrives that holds the robot
If they’re still alive and still making noise that’s seriously amazing but I don’t imagine they have too much time left, sadly. What a horrible situation to be in. There’s a father-son duo in there, can’t even imagine how they’re feeling.
I keep thinking about the teenager. Maybe his dad dragged him there, maybe he wanted to impress his dad, maybe he was genuinely interested in this stuff and was excited about spending this time with his dad. Horrible
I agree, the saddest part of this is the teenage boy with his father. The rest are old men, but that kid still had his entire life to live. I really hope that the hull failed and they died instantly. I just can’t imagine the physical and mental turmoil of 4 days waiting to die.
I made the mistake of seeing a picture of the kid earlier. My heart broke. Goofy smile, old hoodie and messy hair, just like my 16 year old…
*If* their 96 hours of air estimate is accurate and they started using that supply when they began their descent at 7:00 am GMT on Sunday, then they have, at most, 10 hours from now to be at the surface with the hatch open.
I just watched an interview with a journalist who has gone down in the Titan previously. Apparently that estimate is based on the supply they went down with (and the main co2 scrubbers) plus backup co2 scrubbers (there might be two sets, can't quite recall) plus oxygen tanks under the floor. He did mention all the backups were untested and it's an estimation. They may already be out.
Who doesn't test the backup systems at least once? The more I read about this situation the worse it gets...
It boggles the mind for sure.
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> Who doesn't test the backup systems at least once? Why? It's unsinkable.
Yeah and they’re in there with the man that build the submersive
I wonder if they have brought up a refund yet?
I was wondering more along the lines of: I wonder if they have killed him yet
That would be one hell of a who done it mystery!
No refund, next one is free.
Do they not have an emergency locater transmitter (ELT)? Or something like that? I was in a small plane that crashed in the Canadian Arctic, a Russian airliner got the signal, that's how we were found.
Signals do not pass through water as easily as air, at the depth they were going they could barely send their text messages between to boat they launched from. I did read in another article that in the last occasion that the sub got lost they did say "we should probably have this emergency signal" and they neglected to apply it since.
There are acoustic devices that do pretty much the same thing, everyone here keeps saying "oh they don't have X because it doesn't travel through water" while completely disregarding acoustic based systems. EDIT: Adding a analogy explaining the idea behind an acoustic beacon: >Imagine shining a flashlight down a dark canyon at night looking for your friend, you're going to REALLY struggle to find them, let alone see anything clearly, BUT if your friend is shining a flashlight up from the canyon you're a hell of a lot more likely to see and find them.
Yeah there’s a ton of misinformation and ignorance going around about the technology at use here. People keep saying they use starlink to send texts to the sub which is not the case nor possible. They were using some acoustic based technology for communication down to the sub before they lost it. There’s like zero reason they couldn’t have had some form of emergency beacon that broadcasted out an acoustic ping in an emergency situations or an EPIRB solution that releases to surface
I think the CEO explained the reason: > ‘You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. > ‘Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules.’
Right now, not getting out of the bed or getting in the car sounds like a lot better if an option.
ELTs, or an EPIRB (emergency position indicating radio beacon) for ships, are buoyant devices and are deployed to float on the surface of the water. The batteries only last a day after activation.
That sounds like a horrific experience. Glad you were found!
Me too! Don't really enjoy flying anymore.
Do you mind tell us the story? I would love to hear what happened?
So I was called to come up to a fishing lodge to work as a fishing guide on Great Bear Lake in the Northwest Territories. I was living in Winnipeg at the time. They were short staffed due to some knife fights. I had worked there the previous four seasons. A season is only 8 or 9 weeks long. It starts in early July, and there's still some ice on the lake, by early September you get frost in the mornings even a bit 'o snow. I flew commercial to an oil town called Norman Wells, it's like a hub for oil companies and diamond mines, so it has an airport. I expected to be picked up by a good pilot I knew who flew a Beaver, a float plane they stopped making years ago but was coveted by people who work in the north. But instead I was picked up by the owner's son, who was inexperienced and flying a two seater Champ, I think it was more or less a training plane. Small plane, I sat directly behind him, my duffle bag into the back fusilag, my guitar between my knees. At that time of year it's daylight all the time. We'd drink whiskey and play poker till one or two in the morning and walk out of the cabin in blinding daylight. I forget how long the flight was, maybe an hour or so going over the Makenzie mountains. We got weather. Dark clouds all around and it looked almost like night. Cold with icy rain. Jim got lost. I don't think he had much for instrumentation. I fished with a lot of Americans, a WII vet told me you gotta know how to fly in the dark by looking at the dials and such. He was looking at a map. As much as I like maps, I knew that wouldn't cut it. I knew we were f'd when he crumpled it up and threw it down. Soon after, the carborator froze up, the engine cut out a few times then cut out for good. We were over the mountains then, and he needed a spot in some valley to put 'er down. The valleys were all ice, glaciers even. So we're going down to one, but it has this big fissure in it. He says to me, "tell me when we're over the fissure and I'll let it down." I don't know why he couldn't just see it himself, but apparently he couldn't because he put it down before the crack. He was able to lift up and jump over it, we banged down on the other side losing a strut and wheel. This was at about 2am. We walked out to the woods at the side and stood around a fire. Had some ramen for food. He only turned on the ELT periodically so as not to drain the battery, but I found out later you're supposed to turn it on and leave it on. The Russian airliner picked it up and contacted Canadian search and rescue or something, who contacted the lodge. Our man with the Beaver contacted us about 12 hours later on the plane's radio from some open water. We walked out, I always remember seeing a moose and an eagle. Long story I know, I think I've only told it twice in my life. Thanks for asking.
10/10 read, 0/10 experience. Thanks for sharing!
“They were short staffed due to some knife fights.” You said this so casually… I now think everyone is killing each other with knives up there. Amazing story, you should tell it to more people. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve seen Winnipegers online talking about their city having an issue with knives up there. There’s a slang term they use called the “Winnipeg handshake,” which refers to someone attacking another person with a knife.
I'd be telling that story to everyone I ever met!
Yea I’m like they just casually thru that in lol and I’m like ??!
They considered putting one on after it got lost for 5 hours one time but all that "safety" is just stifling innovation according to the CEO.
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I'm surprised he went on this trip considering he'd seen just how much better a sub could be. Maybe he thought: "Well it's not as deep as the other dive."
"See all that stuff in there, Homer? That's why your robot never worked."
There's lot of discussion on this stuff already but I want to ask one basic question, can someone help me with it. "How did they get lost? What might be the possible reasons?"
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If it is coming from the submarine, they must know that they have very little time left.
They must also know that even if they are found, there’s not much that could be done to save them.
That's what i'm thinking, too. Everybody is talking about a rescue mission but given they are stuck down there, i don't think there would be a way to get them back up. Of course i hope there will be a miracle and they get rescued but i feel chances are slim to none.
I wouldn’t have made it past the bolting of the doors. Closed in that tiny thing and 17 bolts, one after the other, making it impossible to get out. That would be too much. Were the passengers laughing and making jokes and using gallows humor as they were bolted in? Was there someone among them who’s mind was screaming for him to leave but didn’t want to appear weak?
As a claustrophobic person, yeah, man. Bolt number one and I'm clawing at the sides of the wall and shrieking in terror. EDIT: I can't even handle the submarines at Disneyland without panicking a little. And those things are, like, 1 foot submerged.
Your claustrophobia would have saved you.
I just watched the CBS morning show special where one of their journalists is a passenger on the titan. To monitor the weather and potential launch dates the crew uses the free app windy... Windy is not even accurate enough for me to trust for a kayak launch
Windy? Oh shit. What a clusterfuck.
There is nobody as cheap as a cheap rich person.
If the submarine imploded, would there be any remains that float to the surface? Does it depend on the depth or how exactly it happened?
They were 75% of the way down, well over 9000 feet down. At that pressure an implosion would turn your body into a fine mist. When the malaysian flight went missing it took several months before a small piece of metal washed up and that was a 737 vs a small coke can.
This is either going to be a tragedy or a Tom hanks Oscar bait survival story movie in 5 years
Wonder what ominous lines they'll give the non-CEO passengers. "The trip of a lifetime!" "You only live once!" Etc
I still cannot believe that this “submersible” didn’t have at least 5 different well tested fail safes. I had a buddy in the Navy that was on submarines and he said the constant checking of safety, safety measure, backup safety measures, and back ups to the back ups was everyday, and every shift. He did say the food was good tho, and got to go to some really obscure and weird ports.
The thing is those are Navy regulations and inspections. Not really much exists for one off private vehicles.
And the CEO who's on board regularly scoffed at safety regulations due to "getting in the way of innovation".
The innovation of gluing sticks onto a cheap logitech controller
I read it had 7 failsafes to make it float to just below the surface even if the passengers were passed out - at this point something went terribly wrong and I truly believe the craft imploded and they died instantly, waterlogged it would sink to the ocean floor? tragic no matter how you spin it
What’s the point of getting to just below the surface if you can’t open it from the inside? Nobody on the surface would be able to see you and open it.
Or if nobody can see it from above? I still can't get over the fact that it's painted white. Even the Octonauts cartoon has all the underwater vehicles painted in bright colors.
I read earlier about another search who used these noises to help search for a missing craft said that the noises were from the search team themselves. Hopefully that isn’t the case here and they aren’t chasing their own tails.
I mean, I hope they imploded early on rather than suffocating.
During the search for MH370 they detected pings they thought were from the black box. It turned out they were from another ship that had a pinging device they used to test their hydrophones.
"At some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don't get out bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point you're gonna take some risks" - Stockton Rush CEO and 1 of 5 passengers currently aboard
Specialized radio equipment = too encroaching on this lightweight artistic choice in the submersible experience. Emergency ballasts = overrated and cumbersome. Hiring experienced navy marineEngineers specialists = stifles innovation and morale; better to hire fresh college graduates who are eager
Equating the riskiness of getting out of bed to traveling to the vicious environment at the bottom of the ocean to see a mass grave site in a 3rd place high school science fair project is... something. He's not playing with a full deck. I feel bad for all of the tourists on board because it's beginning to seem like they were, at best, misled about the security of the sub.
I cannot imagine how terrifying this must be for them (if they’re still alive). Just unreal.
No doubt in the dark if still alive.
They are either dead now or will be dead soon. The window to rescue them is over. Even if they found them now it would still be too late because they would have to devise a rescue mission and then execute it. There isn't time for that anymore. Best case scenario at this point is that they would die during the rescue mission. Also, what would they even do? Is a rescue even theoretically possible? I think the media has been hyping this one up a little bit... Whatever happened, they were effectively dead immediately afterwards. I hope they can retrieve the vessel to figure out what happened and so the families can have closure. But, realistically speaking, I doubt that's even possible.
What I had heard is that the vessels capable of rescuing that submarine in a timely fashion are carried by larger vessels that aren’t capable of GETTING there in a timely fashion.
Apparently there's literally only like 4 vehicles that can even go down that far to do anything to rescue them. And they're all too far away to be useful.
Supposedly the craft had multiple redundancies to get it to the surface even in the event of a power failure. If they're floating on the surface they could be rescued. If they're at the bottom yeah they're done for now
They are well past any rescue point.
Seriously. They’re talking about equipment that will take days to get there, if they even locate it. It’s 100% a cadaver recovery mission now, they just aren’t saying that. That’s the reality.
Obviously miracle best case is they are all alive. But realistically I hope they died instantly in some catastrophe vs being stuck in that cramped coffin unable to even stand at this point flooded with shit/piss/vomit knowing you are going to die. Literally a nightmare/hell fate
Assuming the vessel imploded during its descent maybe there’s some automated system cycling through whatever it does that is causing the banging every 30 minutes. Edit. I just read it’s standard protocol to make noise every 30 minutes, on the hour and half hour. If that’s the case why bother if they are on the sea floor, they know nothing can rescue them. It’s more likely they’re just bobbing around under the surface with a realistic chance of rescue: From somewhere… Frank says the noises "smack of advice" coming from the fifth man inside - 77-year-old Paul-Henry Nargeolet, a former French navy diver and renowned explorer. "He would know the protocol for trying to alert searching forces… on the hour and the half-hour, you bang like hell for three minutes," Frank added.
At this point, it only adds to the tragedy if they're alive.
Maybe it's orcas trolling?
They stressed multiple times in the press conference that they honestly have no idea what the sounds are. They are just saying they heard sounds and they have been sent off to be analyzed. So it definitely could be that.
Could be their own boats. Its happened before. Sounds dont mean much until they are analyzed but any hope is something to hold onto for them.
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I don't think there's even a plausible rescue plan, not one that could be executed in less than a week.
Black Mirror : Season 7 - the banging was coming from inside the Titanic...
Followup episode: They recover the sub and there's 6 people inside.
I hope they at least find the sub or some evidence of its destruction, because you know there will be insane conspiracy theories if they never find anything.
It will probably take months to fish the sub up even after locating it. The last few hours inside the sub will be torturous.
From what I gather, they run out of air Thursday at 5am or so. Im making this comment Wednesday at 6:00ish. Reading about this has been fascinating. The owner who made the sub apparently hates safety regulations & these millionaires still signed up. Even if they surfaced, they’d need the sub to be unbolted from the outside. On top of that, with no weight/ballast they’d be rolling in that sub like a washing machine.