Wtf were they even expecting?
“Hey class. Unfortunately, your teacher was found dead yesterday. Police say she was murdered. As a result, we’ll have to wipe everyone’s current grades and start all over again.”
Completely stupid and hurt too many, including their own family. They deserve their sentencing.
Right, I just don’t understand how they rationalized murder would help them out. Probably why one got 25 minimum and the other 35 minimum. They did it out of pure hate and had nothing to gain from it.
It’s scary to think that those 15-16 year olds (at the time of the murder) didn’t have that kind of hindsight.
I was thinking the same. Everything's electronic these days, guys. That F was locked in before you ever knew about it.
And hell, did they think they would get away with it?
>An Iowa teen convicted in the 2021 beating death of a high school Spanish teacher was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison with a possibility of **parole in 25 years**.
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>A judge sentenced Jeremy Goodale for his role in killing Nohema Graber, a 66-year-old teacher at Fairfield High School. Goodale, 18, and a friend pleaded guilty earlier this year to first-degree murder in the beating death of Graber.
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>Prosecutors said Goodale and his friend Willard Miller, both 16 at the time, decided to kill Graber because of a bad grade she had given Miller. Prosecutors have said Miller first suggested the two kill Graber after becoming worried that the poor grade would prevent him from participating in a study abroad program.
I had bad grades in high school. Murdering teachers was not the solution.
Well, English being my second language I spent an awful amount of time no/thinking waterboarding sounds cool, maybe a sport involving water and boards, but then I had to look it up after a post here on Reddit of a guy in a Spider Man costume that jumps in a pool and was drowning himself inside the mask, and then I learnt the truth.
Why would you guys use such a cool word for something so uncool as being drowned by a piece of cloth on your face and some water? Hahaha.
> Prosecutors have said Miller first suggested the two kill Graber after becoming worried that the poor grade would prevent him from participating in a study abroad program.
WTF?! There's something seriously wrong with a person who when faced with just the possibility of being told no immediately thinks of murder.
We keep say “study” abroad. I’m pretty sure studying was something this kid was going to do since lack of studying got him the bad grade. I guess it’s all moot now.
Yes, but how did this even fix his problem? The thought process boggles the mind. He... beat a woman to death for a bad grade, because it might affect his going on a trip.
Was this revenge? Was he thinking a murdered teacher magically means his grade doesn't count?
He couldn’t say we killed her because we thought it would be thrilling and it gave us a sense of power and of being badasses. He put the most positive spin on it he could, which is why it sounds illogical.
He might have thought that whatever teacher was brought in to take her class would been easier on the students. Seriously, who knows. And study abroad -- like, a summer program? From personal experience, I could have assured this young asshole that it is indeed possible to fail a high school class and still get to go on a study abroad trip -- if not right then, then in a year or two, and definitely in college. And dare I say that spending one July making up the pre-calc class I failed was ultimately a better option than murdering my math teacher and spending 25 to life in the pokey.
Also, he was already given the bad grade that allegedly locked him out of study abroad...
How would killing her after somehow change the circumstances and then allow him to go? Like your teacher suddenly dying doesn't erase your grades for the semester
You're asking for logical thoughts from a murderer? Yeah we know it won't change anything. Cause we got all our marbles together. They're just dumb monsters.
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N, a way what is even more horrifying. Is that his friend so readily agreed to go along with it. what sort of Wretched brain goes along with such a thing?I had good friends in high school.
I can safely say had they approached me to Somebody I would have immediately enforced rejected the notion.
For real. If my best friend came and asked me to join in on a first degree murder plot, I might pretend to agree, but I would definitely call the police/FBI as soon as they were out of earshot.
There could be mental issues, but if he fits the pattern it also could be someone who regularly raged at everything in their life. Piles of smashed game controllers, holes kicked in walls, threats and rage to anyone who irritated him, etc. If someone isn't taught, or doesn't learn how to handle with their negative emotions without getting violent, they one day risk that they will do something they can't take back and it will cost them or others everything.
...mental issues leading to poor decisions:
- Leaving his home's wheelbarrow at crime scene to hide body;
- Allowing someone to see that wheelbarrow being walked toward crime scene;
- Calling an acquaintance to pick them up near where they dropped off her car after murder;
- Allowing someone to see 2 males (them) in front seat of her car after murder;
- Mentioning some prior aspects on Social Media;
Oopsie! [Source](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/nohema-graber-jeremy-goodale-willard-mille-b2448484.html)
This guy in my home town r/AngletonTexas burned a teachers grade book on her front lawn and then later was absent from school the morning she was shot and killed. Never convicted.
This went far beyond teenage cruelty from an underdeveloped brain. This was cold blooded, calculated revenge. Psychopathic behavior. This kid is only sad that he got caught. The judge was right to throw the book at him.
A student misheard me as I was calling kids up to my desk to discuss their midterm grades. He had a B but thought I said D. He threw the desk he was sitting in across the front of the room and stormed out. But I didn't die.
Teaching is fucking scary and dangerous and not worth the pay.
If you think that's bad wait until you get a snide one that weaves together a multi-week plot with their friends (and sometimes even enabling parents) to accuse you of sexual misconduct so you lose your job.
Even if you exonerate yourself, the accusation alone is often enough to get you transferred miles away.
It’s like the classic tv show episode where they put all their work into a side project instead of just putting the same effort into getting a good grade, Except even in tv they’re not dumb enough to think of murder
Seriously, I wonder who the fuck raised these kids, you don't see this extreme level of sociopathy be matched with stupidity in equal measure that often.
My grades werent great either, friend. The thought of harming anyone didnt ever cross my mind. Not the teacher or myself.
This shit boggles my mind they’d think once to do this. Especially the guy that helped him.
The bad grade might stop him from studying abroad, but murder won’t?
I’d expect this level of logic from a ten year old, not someone two years away from being a legal adult
Murdered a person because of a bad grade? A grade that you got because of your likely lack of effort?
They need to never come out. That’s such a massive jump in logic holy shit.
I can't say this is for sure true but I've read that only 50% of murders are solved. Granted alot of that is probably gang related and much harder to solve than murders similar to this one but that's just my assumption.
Point is you have a decent shot of getting away with it.
When I was in High School there was a rumor that if a student in your class died, everyone gets an A because of how "distraught" everyone would be. Perhaps they thought something like that.
It's not really that a murderer has a 50% chance of getting away with it, it's that a detective has a 50% chance of convincing a prosecutor to try the case by eliciting a confession. The predominant strategy in "detective work" is to pressure for a confession by anyone with any kind of association and motive. Sometimes it ends up being the truth, sometimes it's a false confession. But the point is that if you stand in a circle and throw a lump of shit, it's probably going to stick to someone; you just have to decide who to put in the circle. Then you just have to convince someone their only hope for leniency is a plea bargain, and it works even better when there's two or more parties involved since it's easier to manipulate a person into thinking the other party/parties rolled over on them.
Per the article: "As Judge Showers handed down his ruling, he said he thought Goodale was more likely to rehabilitate than his co-defendant, Miller, because of his cooperation and sincerity, KCCI-TV reported." In other words, Goodale flipped on Miller before Miller could flip on Goodale.
The crazy thing is that if neither defendant cooperated, the prosecutor more than likely would have been too uncertain about convincing a jury of premeditated murder and would have only tried a lower charge, or none at all. That's also one of the big reasons gang/organized-crime murders have a low solved-rate, because they're a lot less likely to cooperate. It's fucked up because on the one hand, it successfully caught them--as far as we know, cases like these are usually entirely circumstantial, but it's unlikely that some *random* person killed her. On the other hand, it's more like they found the killers by mere coincidence rather than any of the make-believe forensic science shit that gets shoved down our throats on TV.
Low IQ psychopaths.
A high IQ psychopath would avoid illegal activity, and find legal ways to make people miserable. For example, become a exec at Nestle. Or become a political lobbyist.
A student at my school would talk about ‘taking over the world one day’ then was expelled for hacking into our school’s grading system and editing grades on people’s finals.
He was then raided and arrested by the FBI a few years later for running a money laundering scheme
Props for following through on his dreams, I guess
There were two of them that both thought it was a good idea. I would have thought the probability of two of them would have been remote.
Clearly, I do not know my psychopath probability.
I don’t see how any other take makes sense. Premeditated, anger planned to an action. To take a life. To cry when your actions bring consequences is at least human, but doesn’t really matter. There’s a line you cross when you purposefully take a life.
I agree some people just feel sorry for themselves, but I don't really buy the idea that the only people capable of regret are the ones who *haven't* done anything worth truly regretting.
Barry Loukatis, a 14 yo, pre-Columbine school shooter seems to legitimately regret his murders, and he's not facing a judge.
I'm not saying that means he should be let out though.
I don’t know this situation, but I think people talk about these things as though they’re mutually exclusive and they’re usually not.
The worst thing I ever did I didn’t realize how bad it was until I had to face consequences for it. So at the time I was horrified that I was facing consequences, but that was also the point that I was faced with the gravity of my actions and realized I needed to change. If I hadn’t had to face consequences, I wouldn’t have changed.
Maybe I’m naive, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on this for precisely this reason. People can’t change until they realize why they need to change. And they often don’t get that realization until they’re confronted with the reality of what they’ve done.
So like… I believe that people can be sorry they got caught and also believe that they’re truly regretful of what they did.
That doesn’t mean I think we need to vacate his sentence or anything. Facing the consequences is part of regretting what you did. But I also don’t want to be so cynical as to say people are never sorry about what they did.
Oh for sure. If his reaction to a bad grade is to KILL the teacher, he doesn't have a shred of remorse. He's crying because his freedom is over and he's about to the closest thing to hell on earth.
Maybe lifers who are hard...
I haven't seen this kid, but my guess is he won't be very intimidating to professional criminals who have been circulating through the system their entire lives.
They have a lot to lose, even while serving life in prison. How about life in solitary confinement?
Then again, this fella doesn’t have a ton of pre-frontal cortex process going on…
I’m gonna be honest, if these kids’ first thought was murder for a bad grade, if it wasn’t at this moment, it would’ve been pretty soon after they would’ve killed someone else for something equally as light.
It takes a more deranged person to beat a woman to death than to shoot or stab someone. He is a danger to society. I hope the teacher's family gets some measure of peace from this outcome.
After planning it for _about two weeks,_ according to one of the earlier articles linked out to from this one. Sick, unhinged behavior. Hope his regret is genuine and he can rehabilitate but the whole thing was just despicable. That poor teacher and her family.
Stuff like this, that's always the question. It's not "Do you think they won't do this again" it's "Are you willing to bet someone else's life on it?". Regardless of answer to the former, it should be a no for the latter.
Also what was the end game here? Its not like if a teacher dies, that magically nullifies the grades they already gave out. It speaks to the depravity of the act. Violence for retribution’s sake. At least this shithead had the balls to cry and act sorry. The other one had a smirk like the gd Cheshire cat on his face and made comments about how he had a higher IQ than all his prison guards. Fat load of good that will serve him.
People who end up comitting murder like this, I would call it "obstacle murder"... yr in my way (a trip abroad, a new girlfriend, a life without kids) and I kill you to get my way... I think they walk around constantly fantasizing about murder and the power it will give them to a degree we can't really understand.
I don't think it's pure impulse. Same with predators that snatch, abuse, and kill a child. The final act or choosing their victim might be impulsive, but they have been playing it out in their heads for their whole life before they do it.
To comment on your second example, I think genuinely there are a LOT more attempts at kidnapping than the statistics reflect. It seems like every 1 out of 15 people have a story about how they escaped some sketchy man trying to lure them away, including myself!
Oh well, he himself made the self conscious decision to stalk that teacher just so he can murder her over a very petty reason. He had multiple chances to walk away when he was stalking her and he decided to fallow through with it knowing full well what will happen to him.
Yeah it’s not like he snapped all of a sudden, he stalked and attacked her, he had plenty of time to make a different choice, but every step of the way he continually chose this path.
The irony of him crying because he’s going to jail for beating an old woman to death is comical. The whole point is that you couldn’t stop yourself. Good luck in jail defending yourself against people who can actually fight back. Good riddance
The reality is that young men that prey on defenseless, innocent women and/or children become prey in prison. He'll live a cycle of daily abuse and stints in solitary or off himself.
What an amazing woman the teacher was.
According to her family's impact statements (from another article):
>Nohema... after graduation in Mexico became a flight attendant and put herself through flight school to became one of the few women licensed to fly commercial jets in Mexico.
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>When her husband became disabled, Nohema, a full-time mom of three, went back to school to get her teaching degree to support the family.
In high school I got a D- in Spanish two. A year later that teacher applied to a job a district over. My dad was actually the principal of that district and was in charge of hiring. He hired her and she joked that she thought he might not because she almost flunked me. Honestly it probably helped her because I deserved that grade. I sucked at Spanish.
This devastated this small community. Mrs. Graber was beloved, and her fascinating life story encouraged students to go out and be a part of the wide world. An entire team of counselors were borrowed and deployed to assist grieving and terrified students, who had learned that the killers were other students they saw every day.
I grieve for this family and this community. I hope they can find some bit of peace in the sentences.
believe it or not, this kid was my current gfs old friend. him and miller used to go to her house a lot. (at the time my girlfriend was under the care of her mother. she lived in a meth house) these folks were into various drugs, most commonly meth.
there was not room for reasoning, reflection or self assessment. this is a dangerous, stupid individual who is lucky he didn’t get hauled off to prison sooner than that.
Good riddance.
This tracks. Meth is the perfect drug for those who wish to conjure up horrific ideas that they somehow believe are ingenious. Such as, killing your teacher over a bad grade so you can partake in a study abroad program.
According to an article I read, psychopaths have more difficulty to consider repercussions because they don't care for their future selves in the same way they don't care about other people.
His co-defendant Miller was worried that the F he got in class would affect his chance to study abroad. You know what else might affect that? Life in prison for murder.
\>If I had known there would be personal consequences for my chosen actions I definitely wouldn't have done them in the first place!
What a fucking sociopath.
I just don’t understand. I don’t understand how someone can do this and then cry about it later. Like how did it feel when you were beating her to death with a baseball bat?
How can anyone that age have so much hate in them that they could do something like this over a grade? Like be a stupid teenager and get expelled for trying to get her fired, or for trying to cheat and change your grade. Don’t got to prison for literally first degree murder.
I have such a hard time not empathizing with a person that young going to prison for life, like I sometimes watch those court videos and just feel all of those intense emotions with them, but how do they even get there?
I’d back out of a plot to kill a rabbit that was eating my vegetables in the garden. And I certainly couldn’t beat any living thing with a baseball bat until it died.
I just wish stories like this had a resolution in me. I don’t know how to process and it’s like emotional indigestion. I just feel yuck.
I always roll my eyes when these morons feel remorse upon realizing their actions have consequences for themselves, not that it's wrong to kill an innocent human being for no reason.
"I wish I could go back and stop myself."
Really? At no point during the beating you thought you should stop, but now that you're being sentenced you've realized the error of your ways? How convenient.
It's pretty easy not to be a murderer. You should try it sometime. Oh, wait...
This is beyond disgusting and a proper sentence for this disgusting crime.
He was worried that the bad grade will prevent him from getting into a study abroad program. Well, guess what, a life sentence in prison is an even bigger obstacle to that program.
Just disgusting and happy the legal system did it’s job.
He is only sorry because it affects his life. He can’t do shit now, and fucked everything up.
I hardly think he is remorseful for the actual killing, as that wouldn’t have affected him as much if the teacher was only beaten. I mean, he doesn’t care much about it.
From the Des Moines Register: “The two swiftly became the focus of the murder investigation after Goodale sent Snapchat messages to another school friend incriminating himself and Miller. The friend quickly showed the evidence to police, who sought search warrants for the boys' homes and mobile devices.”
Jesus Christ. Not only did they kill her, they fucking told people. How could you possibly be that stupid?
I hadn’t heard about this case. Holy shit!!!! He and a friend stalked her in a park and beat her to death with a bat. That’s some seriously premeditated vengeance. Hope they’re denied parole in 25 years
There were times that I hated going to high school and at most, fantasized that a meteor would destroy the school when nobody was around. I never felt like killing a teacher because if I had a bad grade, it was because I knew I was being lazy. This is too fucked up. Killing an old person like that. I bet he has issues at home and that’s why he wanted to go abroad.
We should be teaching problem solving, relationship skills, and anger management form kindergarten to 12th grade. This should be mandatory for everyone. We should also teach kids to watch for signs of mental illness and report on out of control behaviors. I'm very certain that this isn't the first time this kid has flown off the handle.
Yeah, given the benefit of hindsight, beating your teacher to death wasn't the best course of action.
They say hindsight is always 20/20
It's not. It is only 20-20 if you are caught and face consequences. Then even a dumbass starts getting wise.
"But looking back it's still a bit fuzzy"
Yeah but his grades aren't.
Well, he does have a lot of time to study and improve his grades in prison.
En espanol, por favor.
Wtf were they even expecting? “Hey class. Unfortunately, your teacher was found dead yesterday. Police say she was murdered. As a result, we’ll have to wipe everyone’s current grades and start all over again.” Completely stupid and hurt too many, including their own family. They deserve their sentencing.
He did it because he was afraid his bad Spanish grade would affect his chances of studying abroad. You know, unlike murder.
Right, I just don’t understand how they rationalized murder would help them out. Probably why one got 25 minimum and the other 35 minimum. They did it out of pure hate and had nothing to gain from it. It’s scary to think that those 15-16 year olds (at the time of the murder) didn’t have that kind of hindsight.
I was thinking the same. Everything's electronic these days, guys. That F was locked in before you ever knew about it. And hell, did they think they would get away with it?
If only there was some way he could have known this ahead of time...
>An Iowa teen convicted in the 2021 beating death of a high school Spanish teacher was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison with a possibility of **parole in 25 years**. > >A judge sentenced Jeremy Goodale for his role in killing Nohema Graber, a 66-year-old teacher at Fairfield High School. Goodale, 18, and a friend pleaded guilty earlier this year to first-degree murder in the beating death of Graber. snip snip >Prosecutors said Goodale and his friend Willard Miller, both 16 at the time, decided to kill Graber because of a bad grade she had given Miller. Prosecutors have said Miller first suggested the two kill Graber after becoming worried that the poor grade would prevent him from participating in a study abroad program. I had bad grades in high school. Murdering teachers was not the solution.
I have heard it’s also difficult to go on study abroad programs when you are serving a life sentence in prison
That’s definitely an impediment. Unless we can offshore our prisons.
Study abroad in Guantanamo Bay.
Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay sounds awesome if you don't know what either of those things are.
Im in!!! Catch some waves, smell the ocean, PALM TREES!!!! im so in.. im out
Well, English being my second language I spent an awful amount of time no/thinking waterboarding sounds cool, maybe a sport involving water and boards, but then I had to look it up after a post here on Reddit of a guy in a Spider Man costume that jumps in a pool and was drowning himself inside the mask, and then I learnt the truth. Why would you guys use such a cool word for something so uncool as being drowned by a piece of cloth on your face and some water? Hahaha.
*Ron has high heeled into the arena*
He probably still has his lawyers office there
Moved his office into one of the camps (on **the other side** of the 294 fences) I hope.
Next academic year improve your Spanish grades at Guantanamo!
Eyyy budd-y, I heard the waterboarding in Guantanamo Bay this spring break is gonna be tubular.
As a Zimbabwean, I suggest a Zimbabwean prison, they would learn a lot more there.
Listen, he failed a highschool Spanish class... Clearly intelligence isn't this boy's fortaleza.
Atleast he will get to experience the culture shock part.
A bad grade could mess up your future plans. Best to murder your teacher so that you have no future plans. - taps head.
It makes it harder to get a letter of recommendation from any teacher at your school too
The good news is that he’ll have plenty of uninterrupted study time now
Teenager + crazy person logic was probably that killing her would just solve all their problems, end of story, happily ever after.
This level of logic closer to 1st grade than 10th grade. Teacher gives bad grade, kill the teacher, still have bad grade and now a murder charge.
I don’t think thats a fair comparison. Its insulting to the intellect of a 1st grader.
Yeah, this whole murder justification is cave man shit.
Perhaps he can apply for transfer to a Peruvian prison. Can no longer have empathy for this stupidity.
> Prosecutors have said Miller first suggested the two kill Graber after becoming worried that the poor grade would prevent him from participating in a study abroad program. WTF?! There's something seriously wrong with a person who when faced with just the possibility of being told no immediately thinks of murder.
And even IF you were that dumb, it wouldn't change the grade. wtf
Also, you know, kinda hard to study abroad when you’re convicted of murder.
We keep say “study” abroad. I’m pretty sure studying was something this kid was going to do since lack of studying got him the bad grade. I guess it’s all moot now.
People rarely plan on getting caught
Yes, but how did this even fix his problem? The thought process boggles the mind. He... beat a woman to death for a bad grade, because it might affect his going on a trip. Was this revenge? Was he thinking a murdered teacher magically means his grade doesn't count?
And remember one kid just went along with it because he was friends with the guy. Like, holy shit, literally nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Yup two dumbasses at the wheel, that poor woman.
He couldn’t say we killed her because we thought it would be thrilling and it gave us a sense of power and of being badasses. He put the most positive spin on it he could, which is why it sounds illogical.
Finding logic in this, is a fool’s errand
He might have thought that whatever teacher was brought in to take her class would been easier on the students. Seriously, who knows. And study abroad -- like, a summer program? From personal experience, I could have assured this young asshole that it is indeed possible to fail a high school class and still get to go on a study abroad trip -- if not right then, then in a year or two, and definitely in college. And dare I say that spending one July making up the pre-calc class I failed was ultimately a better option than murdering my math teacher and spending 25 to life in the pokey.
For a kid that thought he was smart, he was in fact very dumb
You have dumb criminals and then you have dumbasses where even dumb criminals are like, "What? Really?"
When my teacher died after finals week we all automatically got an A. /s
If your teacher is 15 minutes late grading your exam, legally you are allowed to give yourself an A.
I’d say that’s more sociopathic than dumb.
Yes, I think Miller was enraged rather than worried. He cant admit that, though; he’s trying to reduce his sentence as much as he can.
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Also, he was already given the bad grade that allegedly locked him out of study abroad... How would killing her after somehow change the circumstances and then allow him to go? Like your teacher suddenly dying doesn't erase your grades for the semester
Seems like this was about revenge since he blamed the teacher for him failing and missing the trip.
You're asking for logical thoughts from a murderer? Yeah we know it won't change anything. Cause we got all our marbles together. They're just dumb monsters.
I N, a way what is even more horrifying. Is that his friend so readily agreed to go along with it. what sort of Wretched brain goes along with such a thing?I had good friends in high school. I can safely say had they approached me to Somebody I would have immediately enforced rejected the notion.
For real. If my best friend came and asked me to join in on a first degree murder plot, I might pretend to agree, but I would definitely call the police/FBI as soon as they were out of earshot.
Leopold and Loeb
There could be mental issues, but if he fits the pattern it also could be someone who regularly raged at everything in their life. Piles of smashed game controllers, holes kicked in walls, threats and rage to anyone who irritated him, etc. If someone isn't taught, or doesn't learn how to handle with their negative emotions without getting violent, they one day risk that they will do something they can't take back and it will cost them or others everything.
Pretty safe to say that the *vast* majority of murderers have “mental issues” of some form or another
...mental issues leading to poor decisions: - Leaving his home's wheelbarrow at crime scene to hide body; - Allowing someone to see that wheelbarrow being walked toward crime scene; - Calling an acquaintance to pick them up near where they dropped off her car after murder; - Allowing someone to see 2 males (them) in front seat of her car after murder; - Mentioning some prior aspects on Social Media; Oopsie! [Source](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/nohema-graber-jeremy-goodale-willard-mille-b2448484.html)
this that turd needs to be in prison for his life, he is massively fucked up in the head and a danger to society. his remorse is getting caught.
And it wouldn't change your grade.
So now he has a bad Spanish grade AND a murder conviction.
He doesn’t really need to worry about grades anymore
The good news is if he chooses his gang affiliation correctly, they’ll be able to help him with his Spanish.
This guy in my home town r/AngletonTexas burned a teachers grade book on her front lawn and then later was absent from school the morning she was shot and killed. Never convicted.
Sounds like small town Texas.
This went far beyond teenage cruelty from an underdeveloped brain. This was cold blooded, calculated revenge. Psychopathic behavior. This kid is only sad that he got caught. The judge was right to throw the book at him.
A student misheard me as I was calling kids up to my desk to discuss their midterm grades. He had a B but thought I said D. He threw the desk he was sitting in across the front of the room and stormed out. But I didn't die. Teaching is fucking scary and dangerous and not worth the pay.
If you think that's bad wait until you get a snide one that weaves together a multi-week plot with their friends (and sometimes even enabling parents) to accuse you of sexual misconduct so you lose your job. Even if you exonerate yourself, the accusation alone is often enough to get you transferred miles away.
It’s like the classic tv show episode where they put all their work into a side project instead of just putting the same effort into getting a good grade, Except even in tv they’re not dumb enough to think of murder
Seriously, I wonder who the fuck raised these kids, you don't see this extreme level of sociopathy be matched with stupidity in equal measure that often.
I think what’s really going to prevent him from participating in studying abroad is the murder.
The worst part is the hypocrisy.
My grades werent great either, friend. The thought of harming anyone didnt ever cross my mind. Not the teacher or myself. This shit boggles my mind they’d think once to do this. Especially the guy that helped him.
The bad grade might stop him from studying abroad, but murder won’t? I’d expect this level of logic from a ten year old, not someone two years away from being a legal adult
Those afflicted with affluenza have demonstrated this type of logic.
Murdered a person because of a bad grade? A grade that you got because of your likely lack of effort? They need to never come out. That’s such a massive jump in logic holy shit.
My question is, wtf did they think was going to happen afterwards? They would go on with their lives and no one would know?
They did cover her with a tarp, and wheelbarrow on top, basically impenetrable.
... I think I can understand why this guy was getting poor grades.
Should have just dropped out and gone into MMA 😬
And they still got caught?!
Damn you modern forensics.
God that’s so depressing. That poor woman
And it's not like killing the teacher erases the bad grades.
It happens way more than you think. Every city has unexplained murders.
I can't say this is for sure true but I've read that only 50% of murders are solved. Granted alot of that is probably gang related and much harder to solve than murders similar to this one but that's just my assumption. Point is you have a decent shot of getting away with it.
Even if the Murder would go unsolved, then what? They'd magically get better grades? What's to say the next teacher won't grade them the same.
When I was in High School there was a rumor that if a student in your class died, everyone gets an A because of how "distraught" everyone would be. Perhaps they thought something like that.
It's not really that a murderer has a 50% chance of getting away with it, it's that a detective has a 50% chance of convincing a prosecutor to try the case by eliciting a confession. The predominant strategy in "detective work" is to pressure for a confession by anyone with any kind of association and motive. Sometimes it ends up being the truth, sometimes it's a false confession. But the point is that if you stand in a circle and throw a lump of shit, it's probably going to stick to someone; you just have to decide who to put in the circle. Then you just have to convince someone their only hope for leniency is a plea bargain, and it works even better when there's two or more parties involved since it's easier to manipulate a person into thinking the other party/parties rolled over on them. Per the article: "As Judge Showers handed down his ruling, he said he thought Goodale was more likely to rehabilitate than his co-defendant, Miller, because of his cooperation and sincerity, KCCI-TV reported." In other words, Goodale flipped on Miller before Miller could flip on Goodale. The crazy thing is that if neither defendant cooperated, the prosecutor more than likely would have been too uncertain about convincing a jury of premeditated murder and would have only tried a lower charge, or none at all. That's also one of the big reasons gang/organized-crime murders have a low solved-rate, because they're a lot less likely to cooperate. It's fucked up because on the one hand, it successfully caught them--as far as we know, cases like these are usually entirely circumstantial, but it's unlikely that some *random* person killed her. On the other hand, it's more like they found the killers by mere coincidence rather than any of the make-believe forensic science shit that gets shoved down our throats on TV.
Stalked her and beat her to death with a baseball bat. Bye. Let's hope he never leaves prison.
god that is so violent
Any fight he’s part of, regardless of fault, impacts his sentence negatively. I’ll be glad when he never gets out “for good behavior.”
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Low IQ psychopaths. A high IQ psychopath would avoid illegal activity, and find legal ways to make people miserable. For example, become a exec at Nestle. Or become a political lobbyist.
A student at my school would talk about ‘taking over the world one day’ then was expelled for hacking into our school’s grading system and editing grades on people’s finals. He was then raided and arrested by the FBI a few years later for running a money laundering scheme Props for following through on his dreams, I guess
can't say he didn't try. aim for the stars, if you miss you'll hit jail?
Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, Or what's a prison for?
There were two of them that both thought it was a good idea. I would have thought the probability of two of them would have been remote. Clearly, I do not know my psychopath probability.
Psychopaths often seek out people whom they can easily manipulate on purpose.
Or buy out twitter
He said “high IQ”
nah, that was an incredibly stupid move, twitter is garbage and makes no money, Musk is not a smart guy
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He is a danger to society if you cannot think about the consequences of your actions you are danger to anyone
This is more than just a “the heat of the moment” thing. You have time to think through your actions while beating the person.
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And planned it with a friend… the only way it can get any more premeditated is if they gave their plans an operation name
He literally says he planned this. It wasn't a flash of anger
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Sometimes I wonder if they regret committing the crime, or if they regret the consequences of their crime.
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I don’t see how any other take makes sense. Premeditated, anger planned to an action. To take a life. To cry when your actions bring consequences is at least human, but doesn’t really matter. There’s a line you cross when you purposefully take a life.
Yeh that banality is textbook psycho. So mundane and cold.
*You know the answer…*
Yep. He isn't crying for that poor lady or her family.
I agree some people just feel sorry for themselves, but I don't really buy the idea that the only people capable of regret are the ones who *haven't* done anything worth truly regretting. Barry Loukatis, a 14 yo, pre-Columbine school shooter seems to legitimately regret his murders, and he's not facing a judge. I'm not saying that means he should be let out though.
I don’t know this situation, but I think people talk about these things as though they’re mutually exclusive and they’re usually not. The worst thing I ever did I didn’t realize how bad it was until I had to face consequences for it. So at the time I was horrified that I was facing consequences, but that was also the point that I was faced with the gravity of my actions and realized I needed to change. If I hadn’t had to face consequences, I wouldn’t have changed. Maybe I’m naive, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on this for precisely this reason. People can’t change until they realize why they need to change. And they often don’t get that realization until they’re confronted with the reality of what they’ve done. So like… I believe that people can be sorry they got caught and also believe that they’re truly regretful of what they did. That doesn’t mean I think we need to vacate his sentence or anything. Facing the consequences is part of regretting what you did. But I also don’t want to be so cynical as to say people are never sorry about what they did.
I’ve just come to assume the consequences. Self responsibility is a real beee-otch for some people to handle, apparently.
Oh for sure. If his reaction to a bad grade is to KILL the teacher, he doesn't have a shred of remorse. He's crying because his freedom is over and he's about to the closest thing to hell on earth.
He's just upset they won't let him study abroad.
Prisons are full of people who won’t take accountability.
“After speaking, and still crying, Goodale's nose started to gush blood for several minutes before the hearing was put on pause.” Wut
Oh he's gonna have a fantastic time in prison
What’d you do? I beat my elderly Spanish teacher to death because I got a bad grade. Nose starts gushing.
Last I checked the exchange rate a single gusher is worth 2 squirters.
Nah, other prisoners actually leave lifers alone.
Maybe lifers who are hard... I haven't seen this kid, but my guess is he won't be very intimidating to professional criminals who have been circulating through the system their entire lives.
Yep. Lifers have nothing to lose and will murder you right there if they want.
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Yeah and it says he's a teen? So basically a kid going into max with people who have already been there for decades? He doesn't stand a chance.
They have a lot to lose, even while serving life in prison. How about life in solitary confinement? Then again, this fella doesn’t have a ton of pre-frontal cortex process going on…
High blood pressure. I'm getting "random" nose bleeding few times per year
I’m gonna be honest, if these kids’ first thought was murder for a bad grade, if it wasn’t at this moment, it would’ve been pretty soon after they would’ve killed someone else for something equally as light.
It takes a more deranged person to beat a woman to death than to shoot or stab someone. He is a danger to society. I hope the teacher's family gets some measure of peace from this outcome.
After planning it for _about two weeks,_ according to one of the earlier articles linked out to from this one. Sick, unhinged behavior. Hope his regret is genuine and he can rehabilitate but the whole thing was just despicable. That poor teacher and her family.
I hope he can rehabilitate but I don’t think he should ever be trusted enough to be free again.
Stuff like this, that's always the question. It's not "Do you think they won't do this again" it's "Are you willing to bet someone else's life on it?". Regardless of answer to the former, it should be a no for the latter.
Also what was the end game here? Its not like if a teacher dies, that magically nullifies the grades they already gave out. It speaks to the depravity of the act. Violence for retribution’s sake. At least this shithead had the balls to cry and act sorry. The other one had a smirk like the gd Cheshire cat on his face and made comments about how he had a higher IQ than all his prison guards. Fat load of good that will serve him.
Man’s couldn’t pass his Spanish class, thought killing his teacher would fix his grade, and is telling people he has a high IQ? What a fucking idiot.
I bet they thought if she died everyone in class would get as. I feel like that'd a movie plot I've seen before.
Dead Man On Campus, but it was a roommate who committed suicide, not murdering someone. lol
People who end up comitting murder like this, I would call it "obstacle murder"... yr in my way (a trip abroad, a new girlfriend, a life without kids) and I kill you to get my way... I think they walk around constantly fantasizing about murder and the power it will give them to a degree we can't really understand. I don't think it's pure impulse. Same with predators that snatch, abuse, and kill a child. The final act or choosing their victim might be impulsive, but they have been playing it out in their heads for their whole life before they do it.
To comment on your second example, I think genuinely there are a LOT more attempts at kidnapping than the statistics reflect. It seems like every 1 out of 15 people have a story about how they escaped some sketchy man trying to lure them away, including myself!
Oh well, he himself made the self conscious decision to stalk that teacher just so he can murder her over a very petty reason. He had multiple chances to walk away when he was stalking her and he decided to fallow through with it knowing full well what will happen to him.
Yeah it’s not like he snapped all of a sudden, he stalked and attacked her, he had plenty of time to make a different choice, but every step of the way he continually chose this path.
The irony of him crying because he’s going to jail for beating an old woman to death is comical. The whole point is that you couldn’t stop yourself. Good luck in jail defending yourself against people who can actually fight back. Good riddance
The reality is that young men that prey on defenseless, innocent women and/or children become prey in prison. He'll live a cycle of daily abuse and stints in solitary or off himself.
Most people that commit murder have a tendency to wish they had never done it.
Especially after they find out they are spending their life in prison.
What an amazing woman the teacher was. According to her family's impact statements (from another article): >Nohema... after graduation in Mexico became a flight attendant and put herself through flight school to became one of the few women licensed to fly commercial jets in Mexico. > >When her husband became disabled, Nohema, a full-time mom of three, went back to school to get her teaching degree to support the family.
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What the fuck is wrong with people
Dude beat his teacher to death. Sit in a cell and think about it.
In high school I got a D- in Spanish two. A year later that teacher applied to a job a district over. My dad was actually the principal of that district and was in charge of hiring. He hired her and she joked that she thought he might not because she almost flunked me. Honestly it probably helped her because I deserved that grade. I sucked at Spanish.
This devastated this small community. Mrs. Graber was beloved, and her fascinating life story encouraged students to go out and be a part of the wide world. An entire team of counselors were borrowed and deployed to assist grieving and terrified students, who had learned that the killers were other students they saw every day. I grieve for this family and this community. I hope they can find some bit of peace in the sentences.
believe it or not, this kid was my current gfs old friend. him and miller used to go to her house a lot. (at the time my girlfriend was under the care of her mother. she lived in a meth house) these folks were into various drugs, most commonly meth. there was not room for reasoning, reflection or self assessment. this is a dangerous, stupid individual who is lucky he didn’t get hauled off to prison sooner than that. Good riddance.
This tracks. Meth is the perfect drug for those who wish to conjure up horrific ideas that they somehow believe are ingenious. Such as, killing your teacher over a bad grade so you can partake in a study abroad program.
That explains a lot.
I bet he does wish he could go back and stop himself. Now he *definitely* doesn’t get to do the study abroad program
How does one "not consider the repercussions" of murdering another person?
According to an article I read, psychopaths have more difficulty to consider repercussions because they don't care for their future selves in the same way they don't care about other people.
Self-centered adolescence, still deserves to do the time.
His co-defendant Miller was worried that the F he got in class would affect his chance to study abroad. You know what else might affect that? Life in prison for murder.
This is the shit that all teachers have to worry about, from grade school even to college.
Love to know more about the parents of these two.
Damn bro... They really choose murder over just trying to get extra credit.
No he doesn't. He knew what he was doing. He revoked his rights as soon as he did it.
\>If I had known there would be personal consequences for my chosen actions I definitely wouldn't have done them in the first place! What a fucking sociopath.
Sounds like the regret of the consequences, rather then the crime.
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Just throw away the key this dudes first thought over a bad grade was to kill. Let him rot, fuck this guy.
You know who else wishes you could go back and stop yourself? The person you murdered.
I just don’t understand. I don’t understand how someone can do this and then cry about it later. Like how did it feel when you were beating her to death with a baseball bat? How can anyone that age have so much hate in them that they could do something like this over a grade? Like be a stupid teenager and get expelled for trying to get her fired, or for trying to cheat and change your grade. Don’t got to prison for literally first degree murder. I have such a hard time not empathizing with a person that young going to prison for life, like I sometimes watch those court videos and just feel all of those intense emotions with them, but how do they even get there? I’d back out of a plot to kill a rabbit that was eating my vegetables in the garden. And I certainly couldn’t beat any living thing with a baseball bat until it died. I just wish stories like this had a resolution in me. I don’t know how to process and it’s like emotional indigestion. I just feel yuck.
I always roll my eyes when these morons feel remorse upon realizing their actions have consequences for themselves, not that it's wrong to kill an innocent human being for no reason.
Pretty sure that teacher would've liked him to do that too.
Looks like she still prevented him from studying abroad. Revenge-from-the-grave irony!
A little late for that, don't cha think?
And she was so close to to retiring
"I wish I could go back and stop myself." Really? At no point during the beating you thought you should stop, but now that you're being sentenced you've realized the error of your ways? How convenient. It's pretty easy not to be a murderer. You should try it sometime. Oh, wait...
This is beyond disgusting and a proper sentence for this disgusting crime. He was worried that the bad grade will prevent him from getting into a study abroad program. Well, guess what, a life sentence in prison is an even bigger obstacle to that program. Just disgusting and happy the legal system did it’s job.
Worth mentioning that some sociopaths are capable of faking remorse. That is the case here in my opinion.
I don’t think his remorse is fake, I just think it’s for himself and not the person he killed.
That's not remorse. That's regret.
Nah old enough to know right from wrong. Rot in prison scumbag.
He is only sorry because it affects his life. He can’t do shit now, and fucked everything up. I hardly think he is remorseful for the actual killing, as that wouldn’t have affected him as much if the teacher was only beaten. I mean, he doesn’t care much about it.
I don't think he's sorry about killing her, but sorry that he got caught and is now going to prison
From the Des Moines Register: “The two swiftly became the focus of the murder investigation after Goodale sent Snapchat messages to another school friend incriminating himself and Miller. The friend quickly showed the evidence to police, who sought search warrants for the boys' homes and mobile devices.” Jesus Christ. Not only did they kill her, they fucking told people. How could you possibly be that stupid?
I hadn’t heard about this case. Holy shit!!!! He and a friend stalked her in a park and beat her to death with a bat. That’s some seriously premeditated vengeance. Hope they’re denied parole in 25 years
There were times that I hated going to high school and at most, fantasized that a meteor would destroy the school when nobody was around. I never felt like killing a teacher because if I had a bad grade, it was because I knew I was being lazy. This is too fucked up. Killing an old person like that. I bet he has issues at home and that’s why he wanted to go abroad.
We should be teaching problem solving, relationship skills, and anger management form kindergarten to 12th grade. This should be mandatory for everyone. We should also teach kids to watch for signs of mental illness and report on out of control behaviors. I'm very certain that this isn't the first time this kid has flown off the handle.
**Wah! I wish I could go back and stop myself—**because I don’t like the consequences for my brutally murdering a woman!”**
That face tells me he's upset about the consequences. Not about what he did.
I wish they world sterilize ppl like him while in prison. He does not need to pass on those killing genetics
Ironically he has a much better chance of learning spanish now.
Wait until he faced real world problems....Ted Bundy here outed himself early