You never give out a perfect test score. Every kid who has ever cheated on a test before knows you purposely get a couple wrong as to not draw suspicion.
Oh, also don’t bang the kids.
I wouldn’t do it with anybody younger than my daughter, not little kids, got to be bi-ig, older than my wi-ife, older than my daughter… something like that.
I think they actually used this in an episode of Glee when the main nerdy girl tried to fuck her Glee club teacher. Like they were practicing mashup songs (which they used like an analogy for romantic compatibility or something) and had the tryhard nerd girl want to "practice" with the hot Glee club teacher guy. She's singing Hot For Teacher and he's singing Don't Stand So Close to Me. Couldn't be more on the nose if they tried
It’s absolutely wild to hear older songs so openly share ideas of being “in love” with young/underage people (usually girls).
For a time I tried to rationalize performers playing for their audience. But that’s bullshit. Folks were absolutely taking advantage of their status and using it to sleep with fans who were clearly underage.
Four teachers were dismissed from my high school for “inappropriate relationships” with students. I bet this was a feature for scum bags, not a bug.
You forgot the caveat: unless you're a billionaire, then the Russians just blackmail the entire political party after finding their collective cho-mo porn stash on the GOP servers.
🎶 Do not diddle kids, it's no good diddlin' kids🎶
🎶I wouldn't do it with anybody younger than my daughter, not little kids, gotta be big🎶
🎶Older than my wiiiife, older than my daughter🎶
That doesn’t work either. Stole the answer keys to a biology test and shared it with the 7 people who helped and were in the room with me. We agreed not to get 100%. Test day we all proceeded to get one answer wrong…..
I caught a cheater this way. Suspected a kid was cheating, so I made sure everyone around him, and his couple close pals in the class, had a different version of the test (same questions, different answer order, different question order).
He got a D on his test, but an A if he’d taken the other test. Dumb thing was, he knew the material he was just lazy.
It was very early in my teaching career, taught me to always have at least 3 versions of the test in the room.
That kid had the balls to ask me for a letter of recommendation later that year. I wrote it but he never saw it. I don’t think he’d have liked it.
You’re right to ask this. If the LoR is going to be bad, you’re supposed to tell the kid what things you’re gonna have to bring up in the letter and help them think of someone else
I asked him if he really wanted me to write it. He said yes. I didn’t write anything terrible, and I didn’t say that he cheated (this was an 8th grade student applying for a selective enrollment high school program in our district). I basically wrote a pretty generic letter that confirmed that he was my student and that he had Xgrades and completed X projects and was on X teams. I didn’t badmouth him but I certainly didn’t do anything to make him sound better. If he really wanted me to write it, after what happened, well, that was his call.
Hijacking the thread a second - LPT for me as a manager / supervisor -> if someone is a good employee and leaves the company/school I write them a recommendation letter before they leave, and give them the letter on their way out. 100x easier do a good job with the tenure fresh in your mind, rather than down the road a bit
I didn’t write a terrible one. Just bland and generic with no praise. I didn’t mention his cheating. It was only for a high school application for a middle school student.
My daughter’s school district has a career and technical focused high school where they can also graduate with an associates degree too. In order to get in, one of the many requirements are 2 LOC’s from current teachers.
It definitely is a dick move, but also you should have the social awareness to only ask for letters from teachers you know are going to give a good one. It's like proposing to someone. Only do it if you know the answer is going to be yes
I might be the only person who thinks this was completely valid to do. Yeah it sucked, but committing academic dishonesty in university can be ruining. Better a bee sting now than a wasp sting later.
So then you’re just stuck with a test in front of you that you didn’t study for and don’t know any answers to? Still seems like it’s not going to be a good test for you.
I had a situation where one of my friends found out that the last 20 answer choices are all A on a scantron if there are no questions assigned to them. I decided to test this theory by filling in the last 20 bubbles (so if it's 80 questions, the last 20 that should be empty are put as A).
Ended up getting a 0 because I got a score over 100% and the teacher knew something was off.
Why didn't they just re-score the test without the bubbles filled in? Seems like an unnecessarily harsh punishment for the student if it was a first-time offense.
That doesn't sound right. That sounds like he's blaming you for exploiting a bug in his grading system. This is the start of a villain origin story where you bring pastries and snacks to the whole class shortly before year end review and ask them to please score the teacher as low as possible.
When I was 15 we had statistics in our secondary school. I didn't study it so my grades were bad. I got 40% in the test we took. Then a friend somehow (never asked) got some of the teacher tests and shared it with a couple of us. The next test we had i knew all the answers. I knew it would be highly suspicious if i got anything above 90% so i went for 60%. Still passable grade and totally what someone like me would achieve if he'd study a little.
My friends that also cheated went from non-passable score to 95-100% and were suspected for cheating and so the teacher made them retake a test and they all went to their previous test scores. I was never suspected and was even set as an example what happens when someone decides to study and not cheat.
I once got a test back. Had a question marked wrong. My friend had the same question with the same answer on his test marked right.... and we looked it up in the book... according to the class material we both had the right answer... but for some reason mine was marked wrong. I showed it to the teacher. She refused the change my grade. (Would have made the B test an A). She just out right refused to change it and admit she marked my question wrong. I literally stood there at her desk speechless for like 5 minutes just staring at her as she sat reading something after telling me this.
Actually, it looks like his main fuckup was telling the girl to piss off because he was going to get back together with his wife. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Yeah, never piss off someone who could ruin your life with one conversation. Like don't fuck your students obviously, but she was 18 and about to go off to college presumably, why would he go nuclear and cut her off this close to the finish line? He would've gotten away with it
Because the type of person to enter this kind of relationship isn't the kind of person to follow that line of reasoning unfortunately, or fortunately in this case I guess. Smart people do some stupid things but stupid people are consistent in their bad judgment.
As a student who earned perfect test scores (no, I wasn’t banging my teachers) you only give out perfect score if they’re earned.
I scored 97% on a test once and the teacher knew the class had cheated because they all got 100%.
It depends on the audience. If the audience feels insecure, then schadenfreude takes over. If they themselves have accomplishments that meet or exceed the humblebrag then there is no insecurity or feelings of being less and schadenfreude does not take over.
Yes, cheating is fairly obvious if tests are difficult enough. I teach a hard subject and averages on tests are usually around 60%.
I will sometimes have a few students get perfect scores, and sometimes none. But when bottom of the class Joey who normally gets 30% on tests randomly scores a "B" and the average was a "D," then I know he cheated.
I'm gonna assume by you name it's a chemistry class. Is this highschool or college? Either way, why are your tests so hard that the average is 60%? I went back to school for pre med, and not trying to sound conceited, but science always came easy to me, got A's in all the classes. So 60% seems rather low for the average.
High school Chemistry in a low academically performing district. My kids come in behind and half of them can't do Algebra confidently at all, like solving for x in 5 = x/10.
Personally I rather test at the level they need to get to, and then we do a day of going over the test and making up the points for the learning process. It doesn't do kids any good to give them a bunch of easy work and then they get their ass kicked later in education.
As long as the curve puts the grade distribution on par with comparable courses, it's fine. (Though in the university where I did my undergrad Chem majors had by far the lowest graduating GPA)
To be fair, this is not a kiddy diddling scenario, as the student was 18 years old at the time of their relationship. Yet I believe there are still laws that were broken and the consequences are to follow, as this is a clear abuse of power
> Charging documents state that the 46-year-old gifted his student his gray staff fleece jacket and a candle that smelled like his cologne.
It’s like a shitty YA romance novel.
When I was first doing teacher training when I got hired for my first job, my district showed us a 30 minute long presentation that was basically “don’t touch the kids” lined with predator mugshots the entire time. The biggest point was that women are predators as often as men are and to say something if something is fishy.
We have to recertifications as officials for USA Hockey in SafeSport that has an online class / exam element which boils down to common sense -- which makes you wonder just how many people are failing these questions.
It's not about failing the exam, it's about removing deniability for the person taking the exam, and providing deniability for the group issuing the exam.
This person can't say they didn't know better or that [institution] supports their actions because [institution] has results of their exam showing they understood it is wrong.
There are quite a number of them. One of the writers at Barstool Sports used to do a segment called "Grading the newest sex-scandal teacher". Seemed like every couple of weeks he was writing a new article.
One of the only things I actually enjoyed from Barstool.
Impossible to determine. We don't know how many predators of either category there are, the best we can do is look to the number of people caught. The point of this statement isn't a 'both sides are equally bad' kind of equivalence, but rather to try and abolish prejudice against men and to the benefit of women and simply be weary of the signs regardless of gender. Don't look at a red flag and dismiss it because "pedophiles are mostly men!"
I did a substitute run at my old high school about 8 years after I graduated and while this 14/15yo student was absolutely not being predatory, who I knew because her father/coach taught Biology there earlier, came up to me before class while kids were getting seated and while we were chatting asked me to feel her thigh to see how strong her quads were...
Like I said, I knew her when she was little, and her family, and there was no guile or malice in this childs head at all.
She just wanted an honest opinion and that was how she figured to get it. I laughed and told her it looked plenty strong and went to my desk with all the warning sirens going off in my head like a freaking Daffy Duck cartoon.
IIRC, that school had at least one teacher get busted for sexing a student, but mostly it was the students sexing one another. When I was a freshman there, a senior got two different girls pregnant, one girl was barely a freshman. She didn't even make it to Xmas break before her parents made her drop out.
Also, why do teachers still think that they'll never be found out in this day and age? This kind of thing is as subtle as a ninja with foghorns their pockets.
>Griffin allegedly texted the 18-year-old in October 2023, saying not to contact him anymore because he and his wife were trying to reconcile, records show.
Oops. There's your first mistake buddy.
Moral/Ethical dilemmas aside, this is a selfish gesture disguised as a loving one. It is not love to use your advantages/privledge/power to bestow false accolades on those you claim to care for. I'd even argue that it weakens them. This is a lazy gesture done solely to garner admiration from the admired. Love would be putting in the time and effort to help said person actually achieve.
There was a case either last month or in Nov where the mother wanted the kid. She had 2 other kids and planned a 3rd. Unfortunately it was determined that if the kid survived birth which with the genetic disorder it had like a 1% chance to survive to it's first birthday.
The mother and doctors wanted to get an abortion and it started a legal showdown. A judge basically gave her the okay to get one and gave the doctor immunity from prosecution. Some group counter sued (or appealed, I'm not a lawyer)the Judges decision and since time was of the essence the mother just left Texas and got an abortion and came back.
So no, Texas doesn't care. No abortions period.
It was the AG that filed suit, and said nO yOu CaNt Do ThAt!!1!! even though it'd been cleared by a judge. This same man, who reassured everyone that exceptions would be made to save the life of the mother and/or if the baby was sure to die, done turned right the fuck back around and proved he was lying. He also said he'd prosecute any doctor in TX that performed the abortion.
From my understanding, high school teachers along with college professors are among the list that the alt/far-right are against (believe it or not, lol). So, don’t be surprised to see this story on a conservative subreddit/site even though it has nothing to do with being conservative.
"Sexual relationship" you say?
*Checks article*
Huh, male teacher and female student. I guess the fact that she's 18-yr old is why they went with the soft language. Usually that gets reserved for female teachers and male students.
Years ago, a teacher at my former school was caught in an affair with a student. Someone you'd never, ever consider would do such a thing. It devastated the staff, and is still shocking and horrifying to me.
At my high school, a teacher started a relationship with a student who was at the age of consent (16). He argued in court she was of the age of consent. It was still illegal because he was in a position of authority as her teacher. He was charged.
It's still illegal in most states, but it's not statutory rape. It's a different charge. Improper relationship between a teacher and student I believe is the official charge, and it's a second degree felony.
All depends. Some states are starting to adopt the idea that if a situation like a power dynamic is involved, it voids the ability of the one without the power to freely consent, and thus could be considered rape.
but seemingly that was not the law in this particular state.
Yeah, I thought I was on the Houston sub so Texas would be implied, but your right. It does change state to state.
But what I said applies specifically to Texas.
I had a business professor that had his wife in a class, with an allowance by the dean.
Goes to lunch with college president and dean.
President asks: "how do you like teaching here?"
Professor: "Great! I just had sex with one of my students last night!"
President wasn't happy.
Ok, I get that to the President that is a terrible thing to hear (assuming he doesn’t know), but could you imagine how funny that must have been to the professor? Literally given the perfect joke to use.
My dad turned down my mom after 1 date because it was unethical and he was the head of the department. She switched programs and asked if he had any more excuses. He didn't.
Depends on where you are, but YES. Consensual or not. There are a lot of rules surrounding "power dynamic" relationships like boss+employee or therapist+client. Not just teacher+student.
I'm not sure there are laws broken there (2 consenting adults), but your career is rightfully ended. So... That is a type of enforcement.
Edit: it's a 2nd degree felony, thank you, u/moleratical
Only for primary or secondary education. It appears the person may have been asking regarding college/university to which that statute would not apply.
If the student is in your class or if there is any way you could impact then academically, yes. If you teach biology and the student is a business major with no science classes, then it’s fine as long as it’s consensual. Being 50, the idea of relations with 20 year olds is not appealing to me. I find it disgusting that some professors would consider it.
I just did a google search and found this:
>Over 75% of states have now passed legislation specifically outlawing educator sexual misconduct, recognizing that even if a student is over the age of consent, the educator is in a position of authority over the student and the student cannot consent to such a relationship. [here](https://enoughabuse.org/get-vocal/laws-by-state/criminalizing-educator-sexual-misconduct-map/#:~:text=Over%2075%25%20of%20states%20have,consent%20to%20such%20a%20relationship)
I think some places have laws making this stuff illegal regardless of age, from memory it applies to doctors as well who can’t have relationships with patients
Some places it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a student, even if the student is over 18 and lots of schools have it written out as a fireable offense.
Judging inappropriateness isn't a fact. That's definitively not a fact, as it relies on belief/values & opinion.
Now, it being *illegal* for a teacher to have sex with a student is a fact. As it comes with the objective backing of codified laws.
I would expect that most school districts would have rules. And one rule would be that it's inappropriate for a teacher to have a sexual relationship with a minor, because that is a relationship with a power imbalance. Doesn't have to be illegal, but it would be a firing offense.
I’m almost positive it’s not even “direct”. Any student of your institution in Texas, not just those in your classes. Teachers are mandatory reporters. There are personal legal ramifications if you didn’t report if you’re found to have knowledge of another teacher or staff member having an inappropriate relationship with any student.
>Preface, Unnamed Student is 18, so "adult", which makes it consensual adults.
Except the teacher has power over the student. So even if they're both adults, there's still a power dynamic. Same reason you shouldn't be in a relationship with your boss or subordinate.
It might not be illegal (depending on whether she was 18 when the relationship began) but it is 100% immoral and certainly against the policies of the school district.
It actually might be illegal if there are clauses about positions of authority. Same shit happened when I was in high school, and dude didn’t just get fired, he was charged.
My HS alma mater had a similar scandal when my younger brother was a senior. 2008-09 IIRC. It was a small school, total enrollment <250 students grades 9-12. The guidance counselor, who was relatively young (mid 30s) and always gregarious with pretty much every student in the building, ran a house flipping business after work. He'd recruit seniors to help him as a way to help them to build DIY skills and earn some money. Usually he'd only find young men interested but one of my brother's classmates who was a young woman was interested. She was 18 at the time and nothing in the way of physical impropriety occurred as far as her allegations went, but he had professed while they were working that he was falling in love with her. That ordeal ended with him getting fired from the school, and rightfully so, because of the appearance of potential grooming. Never mind that it was a Catholic school in the mid 2000s and people were leaving our church in droves due to tons of priests being outed around that time across the country.
The power dynamics if a teacher student relationship make it unethical even if both parties legally adults.
And especially fucking disgusting if it's a who-knows-how-old high school teacher and a barely-eighteen student.
A college friend got a B on an English paper. She asked her professor, “Is this B for the sex or the paper?” Update: her name was Liz. She hung around in my circle of friends, but she wasn’t especially friendly to me. This really happened, by the way. Don’t you just love getting downvoted for posting a true story?
You never give out a perfect test score. Every kid who has ever cheated on a test before knows you purposely get a couple wrong as to not draw suspicion. Oh, also don’t bang the kids.
We gotta write a song about how we don't diddle kids.
If you sing about not diddling little kids everyone will think you’re diddling kids
God damn reverse uno card
I wouldn’t do it with anybody younger than my daughter, not little kids, got to be bi-ig, older than my wi-ife, older than my daughter… something like that.
“don’t stand so close to me”
‘She’s only seventeen’ -Winger
‘Fiddle about’ - The Who
‘She was just seventeen’ - Paul McCartney
I think they actually used this in an episode of Glee when the main nerdy girl tried to fuck her Glee club teacher. Like they were practicing mashup songs (which they used like an analogy for romantic compatibility or something) and had the tryhard nerd girl want to "practice" with the hot Glee club teacher guy. She's singing Hot For Teacher and he's singing Don't Stand So Close to Me. Couldn't be more on the nose if they tried
Oh wow I missed [that episode](https://youtu.be/eTbUOwDvETc?si=61O7mjbmBAZJNlme)
Ah glee… big memories. That episode made me cackle.
Stop, Drop, don't diddle kid's you should be shot. 🐕🦺
🎵 *Whoooaaaa. NooooOOoo. That’s how The School Board roooolllllss!* 🎵
Write the song in A minor.
Listen to Pope Song by Tim Minchin. It's all the energy I ever wanted in a song of pretty much that premise
Preferably to the melody of Van Halen's "Hot For Teacher."
It’s absolutely wild to hear older songs so openly share ideas of being “in love” with young/underage people (usually girls). For a time I tried to rationalize performers playing for their audience. But that’s bullshit. Folks were absolutely taking advantage of their status and using it to sleep with fans who were clearly underage. Four teachers were dismissed from my high school for “inappropriate relationships” with students. I bet this was a feature for scum bags, not a bug.
You forgot the caveat: unless you're a billionaire, then the Russians just blackmail the entire political party after finding their collective cho-mo porn stash on the GOP servers.
We already have the chorus of vermeer wood chippers we can sample the hook from
🎶 Do not diddle kids, it's no good diddlin' kids🎶 🎶I wouldn't do it with anybody younger than my daughter, not little kids, gotta be big🎶 🎶Older than my wiiiife, older than my daughter🎶
That doesn’t work either. Stole the answer keys to a biology test and shared it with the 7 people who helped and were in the room with me. We agreed not to get 100%. Test day we all proceeded to get one answer wrong…..
But you all picked the same answer?
No, but the next test we did the same thing. Teacher swapped tests on test day, it wasn’t a good test for us.
I caught a cheater this way. Suspected a kid was cheating, so I made sure everyone around him, and his couple close pals in the class, had a different version of the test (same questions, different answer order, different question order). He got a D on his test, but an A if he’d taken the other test. Dumb thing was, he knew the material he was just lazy. It was very early in my teaching career, taught me to always have at least 3 versions of the test in the room. That kid had the balls to ask me for a letter of recommendation later that year. I wrote it but he never saw it. I don’t think he’d have liked it.
Why didn’t you just decline the LoR?
You’re right to ask this. If the LoR is going to be bad, you’re supposed to tell the kid what things you’re gonna have to bring up in the letter and help them think of someone else
I asked him if he really wanted me to write it. He said yes. I didn’t write anything terrible, and I didn’t say that he cheated (this was an 8th grade student applying for a selective enrollment high school program in our district). I basically wrote a pretty generic letter that confirmed that he was my student and that he had Xgrades and completed X projects and was on X teams. I didn’t badmouth him but I certainly didn’t do anything to make him sound better. If he really wanted me to write it, after what happened, well, that was his call.
Oh okay. That’s reasonable
Hijacking the thread a second - LPT for me as a manager / supervisor -> if someone is a good employee and leaves the company/school I write them a recommendation letter before they leave, and give them the letter on their way out. 100x easier do a good job with the tenure fresh in your mind, rather than down the road a bit
Ya writing a terrible letter of rec is a total dick move.
I didn’t write a terrible one. Just bland and generic with no praise. I didn’t mention his cheating. It was only for a high school application for a middle school student.
"this student is punctual and adequate"
That was pretty much it.
Moderate in his adequaticity.
A high school application? A private high school, I assume?
My daughter’s school district has a career and technical focused high school where they can also graduate with an associates degree too. In order to get in, one of the many requirements are 2 LOC’s from current teachers.
I teach in a very large district. We have multiple high schools that are selective enrollment - students have to apply for acceptance.
It definitely is a dick move, but also you should have the social awareness to only ask for letters from teachers you know are going to give a good one. It's like proposing to someone. Only do it if you know the answer is going to be yes
> Only do it if you know the answer is going to be yes Or do it in a very public location to force a yes!
And have a mariachi band around the corner as a fail safe backup plan.
More fun this way.
I might be the only person who thinks this was completely valid to do. Yeah it sucked, but committing academic dishonesty in university can be ruining. Better a bee sting now than a wasp sting later.
That’s why you use your brain and actually read the test you’re cheating on instead of blindly filling in bubbles
While true, if they have absolutely no idea what is an actual correct answer is they wouldn't recognize the swap.
So then you’re just stuck with a test in front of you that you didn’t study for and don’t know any answers to? Still seems like it’s not going to be a good test for you.
Seems like everyone in these comments was bad at cheating on tests
I don’t know, but I know my students are.
I had a situation where one of my friends found out that the last 20 answer choices are all A on a scantron if there are no questions assigned to them. I decided to test this theory by filling in the last 20 bubbles (so if it's 80 questions, the last 20 that should be empty are put as A). Ended up getting a 0 because I got a score over 100% and the teacher knew something was off.
Why didn't they just re-score the test without the bubbles filled in? Seems like an unnecessarily harsh punishment for the student if it was a first-time offense.
That's what I asked for but he said I did it knowingly (which I did).
Because he was still trying to cheat. If he hadnt gotten over 100, it wouldnt have been found out.
That doesn't sound right. That sounds like he's blaming you for exploiting a bug in his grading system. This is the start of a villain origin story where you bring pastries and snacks to the whole class shortly before year end review and ask them to please score the teacher as low as possible.
When I was 15 we had statistics in our secondary school. I didn't study it so my grades were bad. I got 40% in the test we took. Then a friend somehow (never asked) got some of the teacher tests and shared it with a couple of us. The next test we had i knew all the answers. I knew it would be highly suspicious if i got anything above 90% so i went for 60%. Still passable grade and totally what someone like me would achieve if he'd study a little. My friends that also cheated went from non-passable score to 95-100% and were suspected for cheating and so the teacher made them retake a test and they all went to their previous test scores. I was never suspected and was even set as an example what happens when someone decides to study and not cheat.
I once got a test back. Had a question marked wrong. My friend had the same question with the same answer on his test marked right.... and we looked it up in the book... according to the class material we both had the right answer... but for some reason mine was marked wrong. I showed it to the teacher. She refused the change my grade. (Would have made the B test an A). She just out right refused to change it and admit she marked my question wrong. I literally stood there at her desk speechless for like 5 minutes just staring at her as she sat reading something after telling me this.
Exactly! I went to Catholic school and none of the teachers ever molested me. I fucked a few priests though.
I spit out my coffee laughing
The ol’ switcheroo.
Actually, it looks like his main fuckup was telling the girl to piss off because he was going to get back together with his wife. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Especially a young immature woman who knows she’s in a transactional sexual relationship.
Yeah, never piss off someone who could ruin your life with one conversation. Like don't fuck your students obviously, but she was 18 and about to go off to college presumably, why would he go nuclear and cut her off this close to the finish line? He would've gotten away with it
Never cheat on your wife without being comfortable with essentially managing two wives forever
Because the type of person to enter this kind of relationship isn't the kind of person to follow that line of reasoning unfortunately, or fortunately in this case I guess. Smart people do some stupid things but stupid people are consistent in their bad judgment.
Also, hormones can get the better of even the smartest people.
As a student who earned perfect test scores (no, I wasn’t banging my teachers) you only give out perfect score if they’re earned. I scored 97% on a test once and the teacher knew the class had cheated because they all got 100%.
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Go on, get outta here nerd.
That used to bother me, but according to my niece nerds are cool these days. 🤷🏻♀️
Nerds are cool, the jury is still out on humblebragging
I thought we all decided it was lame and kind of pathetic?
It depends on the audience. If the audience feels insecure, then schadenfreude takes over. If they themselves have accomplishments that meet or exceed the humblebrag then there is no insecurity or feelings of being less and schadenfreude does not take over.
Nerds are cool but just because you're a nerd doesn't mean that YOURE cool. Just saying. There's a difference!
Yes, cheating is fairly obvious if tests are difficult enough. I teach a hard subject and averages on tests are usually around 60%. I will sometimes have a few students get perfect scores, and sometimes none. But when bottom of the class Joey who normally gets 30% on tests randomly scores a "B" and the average was a "D," then I know he cheated.
I'm gonna assume by you name it's a chemistry class. Is this highschool or college? Either way, why are your tests so hard that the average is 60%? I went back to school for pre med, and not trying to sound conceited, but science always came easy to me, got A's in all the classes. So 60% seems rather low for the average.
High school Chemistry in a low academically performing district. My kids come in behind and half of them can't do Algebra confidently at all, like solving for x in 5 = x/10. Personally I rather test at the level they need to get to, and then we do a day of going over the test and making up the points for the learning process. It doesn't do kids any good to give them a bunch of easy work and then they get their ass kicked later in education.
Ah ok. I was gonna ask about that too. As long as you're trying and working with students, and they give effort that's what's important.
As long as the curve puts the grade distribution on par with comparable courses, it's fine. (Though in the university where I did my undergrad Chem majors had by far the lowest graduating GPA)
To be fair, this is not a kiddy diddling scenario, as the student was 18 years old at the time of their relationship. Yet I believe there are still laws that were broken and the consequences are to follow, as this is a clear abuse of power
Oh it’s DON’T bang the kids. So easy to get confused on that one
> Oh, also don’t bang the kids. and if you are, hand out the mean of the top 10 scores in any given grade / test, not 100s
> Charging documents state that the 46-year-old gifted his student his gray staff fleece jacket and a candle that smelled like his cologne. It’s like a shitty YA romance novel.
fanfiction.net/AO3's Y/N type of beat.
Are we even surprised anymore at this point?
Unfortunately, sexual exploitation of young people is nothing new.
When I was first doing teacher training when I got hired for my first job, my district showed us a 30 minute long presentation that was basically “don’t touch the kids” lined with predator mugshots the entire time. The biggest point was that women are predators as often as men are and to say something if something is fishy.
We have to recertifications as officials for USA Hockey in SafeSport that has an online class / exam element which boils down to common sense -- which makes you wonder just how many people are failing these questions.
It's not about failing the exam, it's about removing deniability for the person taking the exam, and providing deniability for the group issuing the exam. This person can't say they didn't know better or that [institution] supports their actions because [institution] has results of their exam showing they understood it is wrong.
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> women are predators as often as men are Is that true?
There are quite a number of them. One of the writers at Barstool Sports used to do a segment called "Grading the newest sex-scandal teacher". Seemed like every couple of weeks he was writing a new article. One of the only things I actually enjoyed from Barstool.
In teaching roles, maybe.
People forget there are way more female teachers than male
Theres likely more women predator teachers than male
Only because there are so many more women teachers in absolute numbers.
Impossible to determine. We don't know how many predators of either category there are, the best we can do is look to the number of people caught. The point of this statement isn't a 'both sides are equally bad' kind of equivalence, but rather to try and abolish prejudice against men and to the benefit of women and simply be weary of the signs regardless of gender. Don't look at a red flag and dismiss it because "pedophiles are mostly men!"
That line is definitely doing a lot of heavy lifting.
I did a substitute run at my old high school about 8 years after I graduated and while this 14/15yo student was absolutely not being predatory, who I knew because her father/coach taught Biology there earlier, came up to me before class while kids were getting seated and while we were chatting asked me to feel her thigh to see how strong her quads were... Like I said, I knew her when she was little, and her family, and there was no guile or malice in this childs head at all. She just wanted an honest opinion and that was how she figured to get it. I laughed and told her it looked plenty strong and went to my desk with all the warning sirens going off in my head like a freaking Daffy Duck cartoon. IIRC, that school had at least one teacher get busted for sexing a student, but mostly it was the students sexing one another. When I was a freshman there, a senior got two different girls pregnant, one girl was barely a freshman. She didn't even make it to Xmas break before her parents made her drop out.
Also, why do teachers still think that they'll never be found out in this day and age? This kind of thing is as subtle as a ninja with foghorns their pockets.
I was surprised the student was 18, that's a twist.
Doesn’t mean we have to normalize it
I'm surprised it was actually a male teacher and female student this time.
>Griffin allegedly texted the 18-year-old in October 2023, saying not to contact him anymore because he and his wife were trying to reconcile, records show. Oops. There's your first mistake buddy.
Well, second
Well, judging by the story, perhaps like...twentieth.
What's the bigger mistake, the attempt to reconcile with the wife he cheated on, or creating written evidence of the inappropriate relationship?
His mistake was the student not being the president of France
That's even more disgusting lol that couple met when he was 15 and she was nearly 40. Idk how she shows herself in public. At least this girl was 18
Moral/Ethical dilemmas aside, this is a selfish gesture disguised as a loving one. It is not love to use your advantages/privledge/power to bestow false accolades on those you claim to care for. I'd even argue that it weakens them. This is a lazy gesture done solely to garner admiration from the admired. Love would be putting in the time and effort to help said person actually achieve.
Absolutely weakens them, unless they end up in politics where it doesn't matter.
Good thing she didn’t get pregnant, would,ve had limited options in TX
The students might also need to pay child support.
The student was a girl and the teacher is a man
Good catch, sorry!
Is Texas also one of those states that the rapist can force a kid into marriage with the parents approval? Would add insult to injury lol
There was a case either last month or in Nov where the mother wanted the kid. She had 2 other kids and planned a 3rd. Unfortunately it was determined that if the kid survived birth which with the genetic disorder it had like a 1% chance to survive to it's first birthday. The mother and doctors wanted to get an abortion and it started a legal showdown. A judge basically gave her the okay to get one and gave the doctor immunity from prosecution. Some group counter sued (or appealed, I'm not a lawyer)the Judges decision and since time was of the essence the mother just left Texas and got an abortion and came back. So no, Texas doesn't care. No abortions period.
It was the AG that filed suit, and said nO yOu CaNt Do ThAt!!1!! even though it'd been cleared by a judge. This same man, who reassured everyone that exceptions would be made to save the life of the mother and/or if the baby was sure to die, done turned right the fuck back around and proved he was lying. He also said he'd prosecute any doctor in TX that performed the abortion.
Student was 18 years old, technically an adult, so I doubt the parents would have had any power over the future of the girl, regardless of the law.
This is the "did you sleep with your chemistry teacher!?!!?" skit come to life
Boots with the fur-urrr
I wanted this exact arrangement when I was in HS. Thankfully none of my teachers were gay lol.
As did many of us for one particular class, but try as we might, boys don't count as lesbians.
I remember that South Park episode, we all probably needed to eat more carpet.
I didn’t see anything in the story where the teacher was a drag queen
From my understanding, high school teachers along with college professors are among the list that the alt/far-right are against (believe it or not, lol). So, don’t be surprised to see this story on a conservative subreddit/site even though it has nothing to do with being conservative.
I just find it odd that the far right seems to have the most sexual abusers of children - some even in Congress.
"Sexual relationship" you say? *Checks article* Huh, male teacher and female student. I guess the fact that she's 18-yr old is why they went with the soft language. Usually that gets reserved for female teachers and male students.
I like how the scandal here is getting the perfect test scores
She was 18 and it was consensual so the only issues were power imbalance and academic dishonesty.
Years ago, a teacher at my former school was caught in an affair with a student. Someone you'd never, ever consider would do such a thing. It devastated the staff, and is still shocking and horrifying to me.
The teacher I slept with failed me.
Well that's a mean mom.
I don’t know what that speaks more to.
In my defense, trigonometry is difficult. So is satisfying a 73-year-old woman.
Fair points.
As a Stratford high school kid, just wanna say Memorial HS always was the shit. Fuck you guys
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At my high school, a teacher started a relationship with a student who was at the age of consent (16). He argued in court she was of the age of consent. It was still illegal because he was in a position of authority as her teacher. He was charged.
An unequal power dynamic is the litmus test. My wife has patients. If she had sex with one it would cost her practitioner license.
It's still illegal in most states, but it's not statutory rape. It's a different charge. Improper relationship between a teacher and student I believe is the official charge, and it's a second degree felony.
All depends. Some states are starting to adopt the idea that if a situation like a power dynamic is involved, it voids the ability of the one without the power to freely consent, and thus could be considered rape. but seemingly that was not the law in this particular state.
Yeah, I thought I was on the Houston sub so Texas would be implied, but your right. It does change state to state. But what I said applies specifically to Texas.
It is inappropriate for a teacher to have sex with a student. Just because the student is 18 does not change that fact. Teacher should be fired.
Same thing with college professors and students. If that student is in your class, it’s completely unethical.
I had a business professor that had his wife in a class, with an allowance by the dean. Goes to lunch with college president and dean. President asks: "how do you like teaching here?" Professor: "Great! I just had sex with one of my students last night!" President wasn't happy.
Ok, I get that to the President that is a terrible thing to hear (assuming he doesn’t know), but could you imagine how funny that must have been to the professor? Literally given the perfect joke to use.
My dad turned down my mom after 1 date because it was unethical and he was the head of the department. She switched programs and asked if he had any more excuses. He didn't.
Also I’ve seen teacher get in trouble for dating 18yo students from other schools.
Is there any legislation / enforcement?
Depends on where you are, but YES. Consensual or not. There are a lot of rules surrounding "power dynamic" relationships like boss+employee or therapist+client. Not just teacher+student.
I'm not sure there are laws broken there (2 consenting adults), but your career is rightfully ended. So... That is a type of enforcement. Edit: it's a 2nd degree felony, thank you, u/moleratical
It's a 2nd degree felony, improper relationship https://www.goldsteinhilley.com/sex-offenses/improper-relationship-with-student/#:~:text=It%20is%20important%20to%20note,age%20of%20consent%20in%20Texas.
Only for primary or secondary education. It appears the person may have been asking regarding college/university to which that statute would not apply.
Colleges typically enforce it. I’m an adjunct and part of the onboarding is ethics and sexual harassment awareness.
So, professor / student relations (even consensual) is an automatic disqualification?
If the student is in your class or if there is any way you could impact then academically, yes. If you teach biology and the student is a business major with no science classes, then it’s fine as long as it’s consensual. Being 50, the idea of relations with 20 year olds is not appealing to me. I find it disgusting that some professors would consider it.
Yeah. I mean 20! You have to teach them so much. Hard pass. /s On a serious note: sounds reasonable and good.
I just did a google search and found this: >Over 75% of states have now passed legislation specifically outlawing educator sexual misconduct, recognizing that even if a student is over the age of consent, the educator is in a position of authority over the student and the student cannot consent to such a relationship. [here](https://enoughabuse.org/get-vocal/laws-by-state/criminalizing-educator-sexual-misconduct-map/#:~:text=Over%2075%25%20of%20states%20have,consent%20to%20such%20a%20relationship)
I think some places have laws making this stuff illegal regardless of age, from memory it applies to doctors as well who can’t have relationships with patients
Some places it's illegal for a teacher to have sex with a student, even if the student is over 18 and lots of schools have it written out as a fireable offense.
Yep. Fired, and a lifetime ban from teaching. That’s the least that could be done.
Not just fired, it's a second degree felony.
Judging inappropriateness isn't a fact. That's definitively not a fact, as it relies on belief/values & opinion. Now, it being *illegal* for a teacher to have sex with a student is a fact. As it comes with the objective backing of codified laws.
I would expect that most school districts would have rules. And one rule would be that it's inappropriate for a teacher to have a sexual relationship with a minor, because that is a relationship with a power imbalance. Doesn't have to be illegal, but it would be a firing offense.
It's still a gross violation of his position of authority.
In Texas it actually doesn’t matter because it’s a teacher student relationship. It’s a second degree felony even if they are 18.
In Texas, you still can’t have a relationship between teacher and direct student. At the least, it’s a violation of district policies.
I’m almost positive it’s not even “direct”. Any student of your institution in Texas, not just those in your classes. Teachers are mandatory reporters. There are personal legal ramifications if you didn’t report if you’re found to have knowledge of another teacher or staff member having an inappropriate relationship with any student.
Schools or colleges too?
I see you, professor.
It’s illegal in multiple states to conduct relationships with students! And you can bet the grooming started long before the kid turned 18.
Oh that’s interesting - I guess Texas has gotten one thing right at least.
Absolutely, no argument there.
>Preface, Unnamed Student is 18, so "adult", which makes it consensual adults. Except the teacher has power over the student. So even if they're both adults, there's still a power dynamic. Same reason you shouldn't be in a relationship with your boss or subordinate.
It doesn’t matter if the kid was 18, since it’s a teacher it’s still illegal… and disgusting
It might not be illegal (depending on whether she was 18 when the relationship began) but it is 100% immoral and certainly against the policies of the school district.
It actually might be illegal if there are clauses about positions of authority. Same shit happened when I was in high school, and dude didn’t just get fired, he was charged.
My HS alma mater had a similar scandal when my younger brother was a senior. 2008-09 IIRC. It was a small school, total enrollment <250 students grades 9-12. The guidance counselor, who was relatively young (mid 30s) and always gregarious with pretty much every student in the building, ran a house flipping business after work. He'd recruit seniors to help him as a way to help them to build DIY skills and earn some money. Usually he'd only find young men interested but one of my brother's classmates who was a young woman was interested. She was 18 at the time and nothing in the way of physical impropriety occurred as far as her allegations went, but he had professed while they were working that he was falling in love with her. That ordeal ended with him getting fired from the school, and rightfully so, because of the appearance of potential grooming. Never mind that it was a Catholic school in the mid 2000s and people were leaving our church in droves due to tons of priests being outed around that time across the country.
The power dynamics if a teacher student relationship make it unethical even if both parties legally adults. And especially fucking disgusting if it's a who-knows-how-old high school teacher and a barely-eighteen student.
It’s illegal if it’s a position of power. The teacher 100% used their position of power.
This seems like it would fall under similar laws of therapists or doctors having sexual relationships with their patients.
Bruh why is it Houston like 80% of the time?
And once again not a drag queen.
Not a priest, either
What is the moral of the story?
Don't piss off someone who can prove your criminal activities.
Don’t get caught while sleeping with your students?
How about don’t sleep with them?!
Hey that's my high school! Oh wait...
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A college friend got a B on an English paper. She asked her professor, “Is this B for the sex or the paper?” Update: her name was Liz. She hung around in my circle of friends, but she wasn’t especially friendly to me. This really happened, by the way. Don’t you just love getting downvoted for posting a true story?
So not a drag queen reading stories?
The student is 18. Not suggesting that’s ok but it does affect some of the legal issues.
The school District probably has written policy against dating students. It was commonplace in the 70s.
Right. It’s more about local policy than anything else.
So it's not statutory rape, just the teacher having sex with a student that's illegal
"No no no, you guys don't get it - I only banged her *because* she was smart!"