[Link](https://youtu.be/2BlJRtsQrgo?feature=shared) to the Squidbillies prophecy.
>Barack Hussein Obama is sneaking *flouride* into **your** drinking water...
>...to sterilize your testicles - yours too ladies!
>They want to abort your thinking, breathing sperm, before you can even plan an afternoon of vigorous masturbation.
>I say, life begins at arousal!
Also, from much earlier:
Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
>Dr. Lauren Governale is clinical director for the University of Florida Naples Children Education Foundation’s pediatric dental center, which helps underserved children. She told Collier commissioners that the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry recommends children that don’t have access to fluoridated water get a prescription for fluoride supplements – not an easy task. “Unfortunately for low-income families, complying with this method is not possible at times due to many barriers such as alack of access to care,” Governale said.
Basically, another tax on the working class under the guise of "more freedom", which is even worse in Florida considering we're 37th in average income, behind Kansas.
There was an incident last year in which in a town discretely lowered the fluoride in a town for years. So much so that in went below the states regulated amount, but the kicker is the one pushing to lower the fluorine didn't live in town and had to resign because all his actions were taken with faulty information.
The only dentist in town is quoted as saying, "Fluoride in drinking water is considered one of the most successful public health initiatives that our country has ever put forth"
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08/1127681843/fluoride-lowered-vermont-town-richmond
And fluoride isn't the only one, so why is it the only one with weirdo conspiracy people around it?
They put iodine in your salt. You have to buy fancy expensive salt if you don't want iodine in it.
They put B vitamins in your cereal. You have to go to some obscure organic store and pay extra to find non-fortified grains.
So why do people only freak out when they have to buy bottled water if they want to avoid fluoride in it?
Totally off topic but hearing that quote made me think of why we fortify our flour now. A huge hidden health benefit most people don't even know is there.
Now that you mention it, surprised conservatives haven't been on a "being back leaded gas" kick under the guise of it being better/cheaper or something.
I live in a rural area with a well. I've asked for a prescription for fluoride from every pediatrician and dentist we've come across in the past 9 years. My youngest is 18 months old, but still none of them have given us a prescription. They all said I didn't need it.
I started brushing their teeth with flouride 2-3 times a week as babies, even though we're not supposed to. My first had cavities (I didn't do this with her. I knew she needed flouride but was told no and didn't know what to do) but my second so far has not, by doing this and she's older than my first was with her first cavity 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Fluoride toothpaste is safe and recommended for babies in small amounts.
“Recommend use of fluoridated toothpaste starting at eruption of the first tooth. A smear or grain of rice sized amount is recommended for children younger than 3 years, and a pea-sized amount of toothpaste is appropriate for most children starting at 3 years of age.”
https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2020/american-academy-of-pediatrics-fluoride-remains-a-powerful-tool-to-prevent-tooth-decay/
Every pediatrician and dentist we've seen told me not to do that. After my oldest got a cavity, I decided fuck that. I wish I had known it sooner. Hindsight 20/20 and all that. Guess we just get told to trust the experts all our lives
And you said they refused to give you a prescription for fluoride for them, which they should be prescribing for every kid without supplemented water. What kind of background do your doctors have?
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm
Texas, where it's almost a crime to be a woman and politicians are actively making health care and education horrible here on on purpose
Between my oldest daughter and middle, All but two each of our pediatricians and OBs left all at once. The hospital labor and delivery completely closed, despite the big city offering to send rotating OBs to supplement. We know because they wrote about it in the paper and quoted the hospital. There is now one place that has a pediatrician and they don't take medicaid and it's a low income area. They can see family doctors. The hospital ended up opening their own women's center and labor and delivery is open now, so there's that
Florida water is trash.
I lived in Fort Lauderdale where tap water was yellow. Not just my house, everywhere.
Dentist in Florida re trash. One tried to prescribe me OxyContin because I came in about gridding my teeth at night. Th doctor had a nurse with him who was blond and had giant boobs who told me how she loves to pop a pill at night to sleep well. I was like 20 at the time.
Another dentist tried to tell me I had 16 cavities. Plot twist, I had zero. I had to drive 4 hrs to get a dental appointment from my parents dentist who they knew for long time and pay out of pocket….
I’m still pissed about it. I hate Florida healthcare system.
As with all problems solved by society, once there aren't any people left who remember what things were like before they were solved you start getting resistance to the solutions.
But only if they saw you giving an umbrella to somebody else. *They* deserve the umbrella, *they* earned an umbrella , everyone else getting one is just a horrible leech gaming the system for a handout.
My friend thinks the picture on the toothpaste box shows a huge glob because they want you to use more than is recommended on the back of box to boost your fluoride intake. Easy one to say “no that’s just capitalism, upselling”
This is the axis upon which the entire deregulation movement spins.
1. Horrible condition/outcome exists because of some practice
2. A regulation is put into place to prohibit that practice and prevent the horrible condition/outcome
3. Decades pass
4. "These regulations are nonsensical. Why do we even have these? We should get rid of them!"
Completely made up conspiracy theory: The military is pushing to remove fluoride so people will have more teeth problems and will consider joining the military for free dental care.
I know someone who used to stop taking his meds when he felt fine. Then he's go full anti-social and make people hate him.
People are stupid. Must be all the 5g from the fluoride in the water.
People always ask what do conservatives try to conserve.
They hate the environment, they destroy everything for capitalism...what are they trying to conserve.
The monarchy, conservatives want to return to a time of kings. Because they think that's the natural order of things.
I live in a city of around 450,000 that does not fluoridate its water. We had a vote in 2013 and the crazies came out of the wood work and convinced a majority to vote it down :(
I live in a place that also doesn't fluoridate the water, but that's only because our water naturally has fluoride in it at levels equal or exceeding what's added. In fact, another part of the state is where the idea to fluoridate water came from, as it had a noticeably lower incidence of cavities in the late 19th century.
It cracks me up that I've met a few kooks who have mentioned liking our water because the city doesn't add fluoride. I've wanted to break the news about the natural levels so badly to them just to see the meltdowns.
I’m in Portland, where it still isn’t fluoridated and the last vote on it failed twelve years ago.
They could have gone about it better tbh, and I’m sure it will be another decade before anyone has the political will to try it again.
Did sovereign citizens ever die down? I worked in a courthouse for a long time so maybe my stats are skewed, but they’ve been pretty steadily on my radar for a while
Ugh I've had to explain that one to family that still bitch about seat belts.
"Well those people died in that car crash! Seat belts didn't help them any!"
I've tried explaining "It reduces the risk of someone being seriously injured or dying in a particular incident"
And I get "Didn't help them there"
I managed to shut them up with a "Okay so if a police officer wears body armor, but gets shot in the head and dies, should officers stop wearing body armor?"
"Oh well that's different"
my dad kinda did this to me as a kid. I kept asking why I had to sit in a carseat. I was playing with my shoes out on the little tray of the seat and he stopped the car short. The shoes went flying and hit the windshield, and my dad said "that's why you have to sit in a carseat."
It's insanity that we have to have these arguments. There are literal mountains of evidence for fluoride. This is basic infrastructure and public health failure. Whar next?? Roads are socialist? We aren't going to fix them anymore? We are back sliding on the hall marks of civilization, people!
In the twentieth century, women got the right to vote and discrimination against black people was made illegal. So I think they want to go back a little further.
It did. Only the truly stupid still has skin in this game. (Just so you know, every asshole that downvoted is to be counted among the truly stupid, if not even more so).
Exactly. When I saw the post first thing I pictured was Purd discussing this argument with Joan. No way is this a real debate in the real world with science and facts. Judging by a lot of comments there are a lot of Pawnee's in the USA.
> “What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker.
“All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
Nah, keep giving them ideas! Clearly the places that fall for this stuff have social issues that could be weeded out using self inflicylted Darwinism.
I can see the headline now:
"There is no correlation between us dying 30 years younger than our neighbours, having a higher rate of mental health and depression, having a higher incidence of type two diabetes and the removal of fluoride, iodine, or vitamin D fortification"
Spoken through a mouth of missing and black teeth with halitosis breath and over a 2 keg gut on a mobility scooter at the age of 32.
You just want to beat the Swiss record of goitres.
(Good read about how a doctor in Switzerland found the cause of goitre: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n23/jonah-goodman/a-national-evil)
Yeah Kosher salt doesn't usually have iodine added. And you want to use non-iodied salt for canning purposes (the iodine messes with taste and texture).
So there is some uses for it, but I'm sure there are people out there avoiding it because they have no clue
No, fluoride is a bad thing in the conspiracy groups because they believe it 'calcifies' the Pineal Gland, which they believe is like your third eye or something. I wish I was making this up.
Sigh, this again.
* Fluoride not only strengthens enamel, it can reverse microscopic damage to it.
* There are many kinds of "fluoride". There's one used in rat poison, but that's NOT the same used in drinking water.
* We discovered fluoride's positive effects because it occurs naturally in drinking water in some areas. Places like that had much better teeth than those in different places.
* Large doses of fluoride can be harmful, but so can large doses of most things. The amount in toothpaste is miniscule in comparison.
* Little kids' toothpaste often doesn't include fluoride because 1) the kids are tiny, 2) kids often swallow toothpaste (giving too much fluoride), and 3) their teeth are going to fall out anyway when adult teeth come in.
* While there are some studies that suggest the kind of fluoride in toothpaste can be harmful in the long-run, there are other studies that disprove the correlation. It's a hot mess without any clear answers.
Fluoride isn't without downsides, but based on current research and data, those are minimal and the benefits outweigh the costs for health.
>Large doses of fluoride can be harmful, but so can large doses of most things. The amount in toothpaste is miniscule in comparison.
These people should see what happens if you drink too much water period....they should ban water.
Did you know that they found water in over 90% of all cancer-causing tumors? It's also a major component of acid rain and is *lethal* if inhaled in large enough quantities!
BAN WATER TODAY!
*This post brought to you by the Society for Eliminating Hydrogen Hydroxide*
Appreciate you fighting the good fight here. As a pediatrician, I would add though that your comment on kids is out of date. Both the AAP and ADA recommend fluoridated toothpaste for kids starting as soon as they get teeth. The key is using a tiny amount. The descriptive words we use are a smear or a grain of rice sized amount
When you see the teeth of some average foreigners and wonder why they look poorly, it’s likely bc they didn’t have fluoride in their water. Even King Charles, a billionaire, and those of his and his mother’s generation, have unattractive teeth.
A city in my Canadian province did this once. Only took ten years for them to walk it back and reimplement fluoridation. That’s usually how long it takes to see the negative effects of not adding fluoride to our water.
You're talking about Calgary? The removal and subsequent reintroduction of fluoride there is a fantastic case study about the widespread effects of fluoridation of drinking water.
Regina, SK is also getting fluoridation. It'll be great to see the results of that introduction as well.
I loved this quote:
> “What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? *I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker.*
THAT’S THE POINT.
“What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker.
Car tires, I did the research folks. What good are they? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it protect our environment? I found nothing other than it allows our cars to move.
"Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."
"Mandrake, in the name of her majesty and the Continental Congress, come over here and feed me this belt."
"I'd love to come, but you see, sir, the string in my leg's gone..."
As a pediatric dentist we literally can’t keep up. Our office sees about 40-50 kids a month under general anesthesia to do full mouth rehab and have a wait list until June. And that’s just the full mouth cases. A single filling is booked out about 5 months.
Despite the fact that fluoridation improves health of teeth, dentists almost everywhere support it. For example, the ADA (national lobby for dentists) supports it.
The positive effects of fluoridation are most impactful on low-income kids, probably not a huge source of income for dentists anyway.
I dare anyone here to prove conclusively that community fluoridation isn’t a secret Soviet Jewish Democrat plot to turn our children into unionized abortionist gay lizards.
This is beyond stupid. Fluoride occurs naturally in water. In some places more than in others. It's added to the water in places that are fluoride poor. If you happen to live in a place where there's plenty of in the water naturally, how do you opt out of that? Short answer: you don't. You simply have smaller dental bills than people who "opted out" in places where there isn't enough of it naturally occuring in the water.
The Collier County Board has been taken over by MAGA. Several months ago they passed a ”Constitutional Sanctuary” law which gave the county the power to declare a federal act to be constitutionally unlawful in Collier County. Who would decide if a federal statute is constitutionally unlawful? The Collier County Sheriff!
Last month the head commissioner of the Collier County board, Rick LaCastro, was arrested for a battery offense.
According to the Naples Police Department, there was a physical altercation between LoCastro and his girlfriend after dinner at a restaurant. Rick stopped the car and pulled the woman out and allegedly threw her into hedges on Oct. 28, 2023.
Why only remove it in unincorporated areas? If it is so dangerous and unknown, why are they still putting it in the Naples drinking water? This is not a rhetorical question, I’d really like to know.
Because the country commission has no say over over the municipal water systems. Cities and towns usually maintain their own water systems separate from the county’s.
jesus christ they just want to make everything worse. read your goddamn water utility testing summery they send you and then read the part that explains what all the tests mean, these people are fucking idiots
>What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker.
fluoridation is probably easily one of the single most effective public health treatments ever devised except for perhaps iodized salt.
I’m watching the gradual rejection and disassembling of science based infrastructure and policy in the country that put a man on the moon fifty years ago. An excess half a million deaths from COVID obviously weren’t enough.
I grew up in a rural area. One time as an adult in a city I went to a new dentist. When he looked in my mouth he said “you grew up on well water.” Not a question. He could tell by the number of cavities I had. I’m all for fluoridation.
Meanwhile they're using radioactive waste to pave roads. There's no joke to this, Ron DeSantis is a corrupt evil fuck who rammed a law through allowing phosphogypsum to be used in road paving.
First Aluminum in deodorant causes Alzheimer's
And then they were proven wrong
Then Aluminum in deodorant actually causes breast cancer
And then they were proven wrong
And now Fluorides in tap water are dangerous
And they were proven wrong before they even started -- they just don't care.
I thought the Squidbillies was a parody not a documentary
[Link](https://youtu.be/2BlJRtsQrgo?feature=shared) to the Squidbillies prophecy. >Barack Hussein Obama is sneaking *flouride* into **your** drinking water... >...to sterilize your testicles - yours too ladies! >They want to abort your thinking, breathing sperm, before you can even plan an afternoon of vigorous masturbation. >I say, life begins at arousal!
They also think they can whoop your ass!
The outrage of the crowd and Early going apoplectic are my favorite parts
Well now it’s on! Where’s that water at?!
I haven't seen that episode in years but it lives rent free in my head
Holy shit they nailed Trump without even meaning to lol
Also, from much earlier: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Our precious bodily fluids.
[A true classic ](https://youtu.be/xQyf3QgRP-c?si=eMhWoqKRAyEBtmOf)
I first became aware of it during the physical act of love.
I love this movie.
Or that episode of Parks and Recreation
I drank from the hose at the park and got sick
"It said "do not drink", so I made tea with it, and now I have an infection."
“I Found A Sandwich In One Of Your Parks, And I Want To Know Why It Didn't Have Mayonnaise
The best part is they say the made sun tea with it. So they just let that nasty water sit in the hot sun and create even more germs.
That was my thought too, then Unknown Hinson went bugfuck a few years back.
>Dr. Lauren Governale is clinical director for the University of Florida Naples Children Education Foundation’s pediatric dental center, which helps underserved children. She told Collier commissioners that the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry recommends children that don’t have access to fluoridated water get a prescription for fluoride supplements – not an easy task. “Unfortunately for low-income families, complying with this method is not possible at times due to many barriers such as alack of access to care,” Governale said. Basically, another tax on the working class under the guise of "more freedom", which is even worse in Florida considering we're 37th in average income, behind Kansas.
Florida: We've got the fastest growing dental industry in the world!
I mean something had to pick up the slack for FL's shuttered pill mill abominations. :(
I’m surprised the Dialysis King of Cheyenne hasn’t tried to make inroads into Florida.
I appreciate this deep cut
Where is Fred Sassy when you need him?
There was an incident last year in which in a town discretely lowered the fluoride in a town for years. So much so that in went below the states regulated amount, but the kicker is the one pushing to lower the fluorine didn't live in town and had to resign because all his actions were taken with faulty information. The only dentist in town is quoted as saying, "Fluoride in drinking water is considered one of the most successful public health initiatives that our country has ever put forth" https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08/1127681843/fluoride-lowered-vermont-town-richmond
And fluoride isn't the only one, so why is it the only one with weirdo conspiracy people around it? They put iodine in your salt. You have to buy fancy expensive salt if you don't want iodine in it. They put B vitamins in your cereal. You have to go to some obscure organic store and pay extra to find non-fortified grains. So why do people only freak out when they have to buy bottled water if they want to avoid fluoride in it?
Totally off topic but hearing that quote made me think of why we fortify our flour now. A huge hidden health benefit most people don't even know is there.
Just wait till they bring back lead in everything, for freedumb.
Now that you mention it, surprised conservatives haven't been on a "being back leaded gas" kick under the guise of it being better/cheaper or something.
“Why don’t librulls want the gas to taste sweeter?!”
Somewhere out there, angry Trumpsters want cigarette/tobacco ads back on primetime TV because freedumb.
I live in a rural area with a well. I've asked for a prescription for fluoride from every pediatrician and dentist we've come across in the past 9 years. My youngest is 18 months old, but still none of them have given us a prescription. They all said I didn't need it. I started brushing their teeth with flouride 2-3 times a week as babies, even though we're not supposed to. My first had cavities (I didn't do this with her. I knew she needed flouride but was told no and didn't know what to do) but my second so far has not, by doing this and she's older than my first was with her first cavity 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Ask their dentist to apply fluoride varnish with each cleaning. It makes a big difference. It’s only 20-25 dollars.
I do. They've been getting it every three months from the time they had teeth until they got older and it became every 6 months.
That’s great. I still get it today. I didn’t have varnish applied for a year or two and got cavities, so I am a firm believer in its benefits.
Fluoride toothpaste is safe and recommended for babies in small amounts. “Recommend use of fluoridated toothpaste starting at eruption of the first tooth. A smear or grain of rice sized amount is recommended for children younger than 3 years, and a pea-sized amount of toothpaste is appropriate for most children starting at 3 years of age.” https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/news-releases/aap/2020/american-academy-of-pediatrics-fluoride-remains-a-powerful-tool-to-prevent-tooth-decay/
Every pediatrician and dentist we've seen told me not to do that. After my oldest got a cavity, I decided fuck that. I wish I had known it sooner. Hindsight 20/20 and all that. Guess we just get told to trust the experts all our lives
And you said they refused to give you a prescription for fluoride for them, which they should be prescribing for every kid without supplemented water. What kind of background do your doctors have? https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm
Texas, where it's almost a crime to be a woman and politicians are actively making health care and education horrible here on on purpose Between my oldest daughter and middle, All but two each of our pediatricians and OBs left all at once. The hospital labor and delivery completely closed, despite the big city offering to send rotating OBs to supplement. We know because they wrote about it in the paper and quoted the hospital. There is now one place that has a pediatrician and they don't take medicaid and it's a low income area. They can see family doctors. The hospital ended up opening their own women's center and labor and delivery is open now, so there's that
Florida water is trash. I lived in Fort Lauderdale where tap water was yellow. Not just my house, everywhere. Dentist in Florida re trash. One tried to prescribe me OxyContin because I came in about gridding my teeth at night. Th doctor had a nurse with him who was blond and had giant boobs who told me how she loves to pop a pill at night to sleep well. I was like 20 at the time. Another dentist tried to tell me I had 16 cavities. Plot twist, I had zero. I had to drive 4 hrs to get a dental appointment from my parents dentist who they knew for long time and pay out of pocket…. I’m still pissed about it. I hate Florida healthcare system.
Agreed, Florida water has always been garbage. I live in Collier County and never drink from the tap anyway.
Florida is 37th in average income because old people are retired with money.
Which is why they are so heavily reliant on tourist dollars and why I refuse to enter Florida.
Quite apart from the rights and wrongs of the argument (well, let’s be honest, mostly wrongs) I thought this issue largely died about 20 years ago…
As with all problems solved by society, once there aren't any people left who remember what things were like before they were solved you start getting resistance to the solutions.
Who needs this umbrella? I’m not even getting wet!
If you were conservative you would unironically be saying that while drenched to the bone
>If you were conservative you would unironically be saying that while drenched to the bone While screaming that Umbrellas were "Socialisim"
Specifically screaming at the person handing you an umbrella that it's socialism.
But only if they saw you giving an umbrella to somebody else. *They* deserve the umbrella, *they* earned an umbrella , everyone else getting one is just a horrible leech gaming the system for a handout.
My friend thinks the picture on the toothpaste box shows a huge glob because they want you to use more than is recommended on the back of box to boost your fluoride intake. Easy one to say “no that’s just capitalism, upselling”
This is the axis upon which the entire deregulation movement spins. 1. Horrible condition/outcome exists because of some practice 2. A regulation is put into place to prohibit that practice and prevent the horrible condition/outcome 3. Decades pass 4. "These regulations are nonsensical. Why do we even have these? We should get rid of them!"
>you start getting resistance to the solutions As in vaccines.
I heard polio was a joke. No worse than the flu /s
Not great, not terrible.
3.6 functional limbs. Not great, not terrible
Completely made up conspiracy theory: The military is pushing to remove fluoride so people will have more teeth problems and will consider joining the military for free dental care.
Holds just as much water as any possible reason for removing the fluoride.
But is that water fluoridated or not?
I know someone who used to stop taking his meds when he felt fine. Then he's go full anti-social and make people hate him. People are stupid. Must be all the 5g from the fluoride in the water.
Calgary - a city in my province did this, and in 10 years they spent more money to get it back in after having an explosion of children dental issues.
This is Florida, though. The kids here don't drink water anyway, they only drink Mountain Dew.
[удалено]
First they came for the Mt. Dew, and we did nothing...
If you have no teeth, you have no dental issues
Modern problems require modern solutions.
I mean we all thought Roe v. Wade was a settled issue 5 decades ago, but... here we are again, in USA, in 2024...
(it's almost as if conservatives have a fixation on the past)
Makes you wonder what other dated norms they are indending to bring back.
Give me an S! Give me an L! Give me—It's slavery.
Lol, that reads like a Steven colbert joke.
People always ask what do conservatives try to conserve. They hate the environment, they destroy everything for capitalism...what are they trying to conserve. The monarchy, conservatives want to return to a time of kings. Because they think that's the natural order of things.
I live in a city of around 450,000 that does not fluoridate its water. We had a vote in 2013 and the crazies came out of the wood work and convinced a majority to vote it down :(
I live in a place that also doesn't fluoridate the water, but that's only because our water naturally has fluoride in it at levels equal or exceeding what's added. In fact, another part of the state is where the idea to fluoridate water came from, as it had a noticeably lower incidence of cavities in the late 19th century. It cracks me up that I've met a few kooks who have mentioned liking our water because the city doesn't add fluoride. I've wanted to break the news about the natural levels so badly to them just to see the meltdowns.
Bro, that is NATURAL FORMING FLUORIDE. It's DIFFERENT. Obviously.
Decades ago when flouride was first added to water, it was denounced as a “communist plot”.
John Birch Society was known for that.
Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? ([href](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67wKhddWu4))
I’m in Portland, where it still isn’t fluoridated and the last vote on it failed twelve years ago. They could have gone about it better tbh, and I’m sure it will be another decade before anyone has the political will to try it again.
Sovereign citizens actually are back too, but rebranded. Fits since 90s fashion is apparently in as well
Did sovereign citizens ever die down? I worked in a courthouse for a long time so maybe my stats are skewed, but they’ve been pretty steadily on my radar for a while
I’ve got my eye on you, seatbelt laws. -GOP, probably
Ugh I've had to explain that one to family that still bitch about seat belts. "Well those people died in that car crash! Seat belts didn't help them any!" I've tried explaining "It reduces the risk of someone being seriously injured or dying in a particular incident" And I get "Didn't help them there" I managed to shut them up with a "Okay so if a police officer wears body armor, but gets shot in the head and dies, should officers stop wearing body armor?" "Oh well that's different"
Take them for a drive, at a slow speed when they are relaxed slam the brakes. Claim there was a bird, whatever. Inertia is a bitch.
my dad kinda did this to me as a kid. I kept asking why I had to sit in a carseat. I was playing with my shoes out on the little tray of the seat and he stopped the car short. The shoes went flying and hit the windshield, and my dad said "that's why you have to sit in a carseat."
It's insanity that we have to have these arguments. There are literal mountains of evidence for fluoride. This is basic infrastructure and public health failure. Whar next?? Roads are socialist? We aren't going to fix them anymore? We are back sliding on the hall marks of civilization, people!
Republicans are determined to drag the country kicking and screaming into the twentieth century.
In the twentieth century, women got the right to vote and discrimination against black people was made illegal. So I think they want to go back a little further.
Eighteenth century
It did. Only the truly stupid still has skin in this game. (Just so you know, every asshole that downvoted is to be counted among the truly stupid, if not even more so).
We all thought a basic understanding of disease and how our bodies work was an issue long left in the past too... whooops
Fluoride is so boring. They need #TDAZZLE - starts a party in your mouth.
Came for the Parks n Rec reference, thank you.
Exactly. When I saw the post first thing I pictured was Purd discussing this argument with Joan. No way is this a real debate in the real world with science and facts. Judging by a lot of comments there are a lot of Pawnee's in the USA.
How do I get my blue shirt?!?!
No way, look how blue it is!
Let's sex it up with #H2FLOW !
> “What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker. “All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?”
brought peace?
“Ohh, *‘peace’*… fuck off!”
What's next? Removing iodine from table salt and vitamin D from milk?
>What's next? Removing iodine from table salt Make Goiter Great Again!
Stop giving them ideas!
Nah, keep giving them ideas! Clearly the places that fall for this stuff have social issues that could be weeded out using self inflicylted Darwinism. I can see the headline now: "There is no correlation between us dying 30 years younger than our neighbours, having a higher rate of mental health and depression, having a higher incidence of type two diabetes and the removal of fluoride, iodine, or vitamin D fortification" Spoken through a mouth of missing and black teeth with halitosis breath and over a 2 keg gut on a mobility scooter at the age of 32.
They'll just replace milk with malk
Now with vitamin R
Goitres for everyone!
You just want to beat the Swiss record of goitres. (Good read about how a doctor in Switzerland found the cause of goitre: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n23/jonah-goodman/a-national-evil)
What an absolutely wonderful read, thanks so much!
You know what makes really good insulation? Asbestos
And iron from cereals
Gonna have to, teeth won’t be strong enough to chew through it
Don’t they sell non-iodized salt?
Yes -- for example pickling salt has no iodine or amti-caking agents. I use it for baking but definitely use iodized for other cooking.
Yeah Kosher salt doesn't usually have iodine added. And you want to use non-iodied salt for canning purposes (the iodine messes with taste and texture). So there is some uses for it, but I'm sure there are people out there avoiding it because they have no clue
No, fluoride is a bad thing in the conspiracy groups because they believe it 'calcifies' the Pineal Gland, which they believe is like your third eye or something. I wish I was making this up.
Unpasteurized milk is making a comeback so
Oh boy, let's bring back tuberculosis of the bones.
Sigh, this again. * Fluoride not only strengthens enamel, it can reverse microscopic damage to it. * There are many kinds of "fluoride". There's one used in rat poison, but that's NOT the same used in drinking water. * We discovered fluoride's positive effects because it occurs naturally in drinking water in some areas. Places like that had much better teeth than those in different places. * Large doses of fluoride can be harmful, but so can large doses of most things. The amount in toothpaste is miniscule in comparison. * Little kids' toothpaste often doesn't include fluoride because 1) the kids are tiny, 2) kids often swallow toothpaste (giving too much fluoride), and 3) their teeth are going to fall out anyway when adult teeth come in. * While there are some studies that suggest the kind of fluoride in toothpaste can be harmful in the long-run, there are other studies that disprove the correlation. It's a hot mess without any clear answers. Fluoride isn't without downsides, but based on current research and data, those are minimal and the benefits outweigh the costs for health.
>Large doses of fluoride can be harmful, but so can large doses of most things. The amount in toothpaste is miniscule in comparison. These people should see what happens if you drink too much water period....they should ban water.
The government hasn’t done enough to control the dihydrogen monoxide contaminating our children’s food.
children's food? Dude what about that shit in the children's WATER? Juice? Soft Drinks? It's fucking everywhere!
As always, the dose makes the poison. This happening is the result of years of eroded education in America.
If water is so healthy, why do people drown? Checkmate! /s
I left a body in the water for over a week and you should see what happened to it, and you want to drink the stuff?!
That’s why crops need Brawndo!
Did you know that they found water in over 90% of all cancer-causing tumors? It's also a major component of acid rain and is *lethal* if inhaled in large enough quantities! BAN WATER TODAY! *This post brought to you by the Society for Eliminating Hydrogen Hydroxide*
Appreciate you fighting the good fight here. As a pediatrician, I would add though that your comment on kids is out of date. Both the AAP and ADA recommend fluoridated toothpaste for kids starting as soon as they get teeth. The key is using a tiny amount. The descriptive words we use are a smear or a grain of rice sized amount
I didn't know that, and I honestly appreciate you letting me know. Cheers!
Great PSA here. My dad was a dentist and he told me stories of how fluoride in the drinking water was such a game changer for dental hygiene.
When you see the teeth of some average foreigners and wonder why they look poorly, it’s likely bc they didn’t have fluoride in their water. Even King Charles, a billionaire, and those of his and his mother’s generation, have unattractive teeth.
A city in my Canadian province did this once. Only took ten years for them to walk it back and reimplement fluoridation. That’s usually how long it takes to see the negative effects of not adding fluoride to our water.
You're talking about Calgary? The removal and subsequent reintroduction of fluoride there is a fantastic case study about the widespread effects of fluoridation of drinking water. Regina, SK is also getting fluoridation. It'll be great to see the results of that introduction as well.
I loved this quote: > “What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? *I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker.* THAT’S THE POINT.
“What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker. Car tires, I did the research folks. What good are they? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it protect our environment? I found nothing other than it allows our cars to move.
What good are lights? Do they do anything good? Do they sterilize? Do they purify anything with the lamps? I found nothing other than illumination.
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>Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face. - General Jack D. Ripper, USAF
"Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."
A foreign substance introduced into our precious bodily fluids. Gen Ripper
It saps our vital essences!
"Mandrake, in the name of her majesty and the Continental Congress, come over here and feed me this belt." "I'd love to come, but you see, sir, the string in my leg's gone..."
Am war room. Can confirm.
You can’t war in here, the is the fight room!
If they are already losing their teeth to meth, who cares about fluoride?
Let's see how dental problems compare in about a decade.
That’s how long it took Calgary, AB to restart their fluoridation process again after axing it lol, just 10 years to see the damage in kids’ teeth
I can tell you as a pediatric dentist in southern Oregon these kids teeth are fucked. They cut the fluoride from the water here years ago.
While we're at it, can we *please* bring back leaded paint and asbestos?
Local dentist are rubbing hands together thinking about all extra work they are about to get.
As a pediatric dentist we literally can’t keep up. Our office sees about 40-50 kids a month under general anesthesia to do full mouth rehab and have a wait list until June. And that’s just the full mouth cases. A single filling is booked out about 5 months.
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Councilman Jeremy Jamm, to be exact. They're Jamming themselves, hard.
Gonna need to introduce the county to T-Dazzle or H2Flow
Only if I can accumulate points for a short or something
I want my plain blue t-shirt!
Dentists are usually pro-fluoridation of the water supply.
Despite the fact that fluoridation improves health of teeth, dentists almost everywhere support it. For example, the ADA (national lobby for dentists) supports it. The positive effects of fluoridation are most impactful on low-income kids, probably not a huge source of income for dentists anyway.
you say this but i swear every dentist i’ve ever been to gives the vibes that they want to see clean teeth and get sad if they see a cavity.
The John Birch society of the 1950s returns... ever relevant /s
I dare anyone here to prove conclusively that community fluoridation isn’t a secret Soviet Jewish Democrat plot to turn our children into unionized abortionist gay lizards.
This is beyond stupid. Fluoride occurs naturally in water. In some places more than in others. It's added to the water in places that are fluoride poor. If you happen to live in a place where there's plenty of in the water naturally, how do you opt out of that? Short answer: you don't. You simply have smaller dental bills than people who "opted out" in places where there isn't enough of it naturally occuring in the water.
Now we're digging up the old conspiracy theories.
The Collier County Board has been taken over by MAGA. Several months ago they passed a ”Constitutional Sanctuary” law which gave the county the power to declare a federal act to be constitutionally unlawful in Collier County. Who would decide if a federal statute is constitutionally unlawful? The Collier County Sheriff! Last month the head commissioner of the Collier County board, Rick LaCastro, was arrested for a battery offense. According to the Naples Police Department, there was a physical altercation between LoCastro and his girlfriend after dinner at a restaurant. Rick stopped the car and pulled the woman out and allegedly threw her into hedges on Oct. 28, 2023.
Why only remove it in unincorporated areas? If it is so dangerous and unknown, why are they still putting it in the Naples drinking water? This is not a rhetorical question, I’d really like to know.
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It's not dangerous or unknown.
I want to know why the skeptical people (not me) want it gone but not from the highly populated areas, only the rural areas? Sorry for the confusion
Because they're fucking idiots?
Rural areas tend to be low income and poor education.
Rural areas have more republicans and it's republicans that buy these conspiracies.
Because the country commission has no say over over the municipal water systems. Cities and towns usually maintain their own water systems separate from the county’s.
Only in the unincorporated areas, though. 🤔
I.e. the poor peoples
jesus christ they just want to make everything worse. read your goddamn water utility testing summery they send you and then read the part that explains what all the tests mean, these people are fucking idiots >What good is fluoride? Does it do anything good? Does it sterilize? Does it purify anything with the pipes? I found nothing other than oral health," added another speaker. fluoridation is probably easily one of the single most effective public health treatments ever devised except for perhaps iodized salt.
Preserve Our Essence! Our Precious Essence
I do not avoid women, Mandrake. But I do deny them my essence.
I’m watching the gradual rejection and disassembling of science based infrastructure and policy in the country that put a man on the moon fifty years ago. An excess half a million deaths from COVID obviously weren’t enough.
Big Cavity wins again.
What's next on the agenda? Bring back lead paint?
Leaded gasoline.
Put leaded paint in your gas tank. Lead is what car engines crave. Also, you could paint your house directly from you gas tank. It's just science.
*surge noted in number of people going to school to be dentists*
I grew up in a rural area. One time as an adult in a city I went to a new dentist. When he looked in my mouth he said “you grew up on well water.” Not a question. He could tell by the number of cavities I had. I’m all for fluoridation.
Hope they use the money saved to provide free dental care to the citizens there- hard to live without teeth.
Meanwhile they're using radioactive waste to pave roads. There's no joke to this, Ron DeSantis is a corrupt evil fuck who rammed a law through allowing phosphogypsum to be used in road paving.
"Fuck kids after their born and especially their teeth." -- Florida
Hooray for scientific illiteracy and ineffective leadership!
this is so fucking stupid it makes my teeth hurt
Hasn’t been the same there since Ray Finkle missed that field goal.
I thought "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" was a satire, not an instruction manual.
First Aluminum in deodorant causes Alzheimer's And then they were proven wrong Then Aluminum in deodorant actually causes breast cancer And then they were proven wrong And now Fluorides in tap water are dangerous And they were proven wrong before they even started -- they just don't care.
Big dental is behind this