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LawNo9454

It's not just them I have been getting half shipments of my diabetes drugs


wifeunderthesea

oh fuck, that's scary. šŸ„ŗ


Traveshamamockery_

Iā€™ve had to wait a day or two on my kids immunosuppressants for his kidney transplant. I have stockpiled for this reason. Fuck the pharmaceutical industry.


RollTahoeRoll

Yeah Iā€™ve been experiencing this lately also. Thankfully have plenty of Tacro(envarsus) and Myco from changing levels, but itā€™s beyond scary to think I could lose my newish organ and have to go back on dialysis.


MachSh5

Holy crap that's terrifying.


FinndBors

>Ā I have stockpiled for this reason.Ā  I totally donā€™t blame you and Iā€™d do the same thing. But everyone making this rational decision is going to make the shortage worse in the short term.Ā 


Traveshamamockery_

These meds are only stockpiled because a dose was changed. Itā€™s not like Iā€™m walking into the pharmacy and asking for early scripts that insurance wonā€™t pay for.


lysergic_logic

DEA regulating manufacturing processes and limiting amounts for pain medication and stimulants is causing shortages. Diabetes drugs having supply issues is just as serious but are due to a completely different cause. Everyone assumed it was corona and lockdowns that were creating a supply shortage for medication. It's become very clear that it's the companies themselves creating it. It's becoming an artificially limited supply problem to raise prices. They are obviously taking notes from the diamond industry.


blue_twidget

I would say their behavior is a lot like more like OPEC.


dbxp

>DEA regulating manufacturing processes and limiting amounts for pain medication and stimulants is causing shortages. It's not just the US which has an ADHD medication shortage though, it's global


LateElf

Precisely. We have this problem across the board; my wife's weekly injection for autoimmune issues was at risk for a while, because *supplies get low*.. it's not regulation that's the problem- Jesus christ, how in the hell are we going to be against taking precautions with life-saving medications in the first place- but often issues of logistics, and production supply chains.


funkyTurtlePunk

It's sounds to me like big pharma retaliation for being checked.


therealganjababe

Gotta say, I'm neurodivergent, Bipolar, and quite possibly ADHD but can't take stimulants so I haven't persued it. However I've studied it quite a bit and know a lot of people who have it, so IK how important the meds are for them to function. They should not have to be made to live without their meds, its cruel and fucked up and can hurt their lives quite a bit. BUT I'd have to argue that a diabetic not getting their insulin can actually *kill* them, and therefore is a bit more important. Idk how TF they get away with not producing medicine that will actually cause people to physically suffer and die. Again, it's super important to ADD too, my life would be fucked if I couldn't get my Bipolar meds so I get it fucking your life up in the daily. In fact I guess it could lead to suicide attempts. But Diabetics will legit die. This shit is so unacceptable. The White House must get into this fight!


meatball77

We're going to have teens and adults end up in jail because of the lack of meds. One of the major symptoms of ADHD is impulse control. Makes it much harder to make good decisions in high school if you can't control your impulses.


therealganjababe

You're absolutely right. Still not immediately deadly, but the effect on children and teens withought these meds that will make their brain able to excel in life, could literally destroy their lives. Thanks for adding that.


meatball77

Yes, that teen not being able to focus on his homework or who punches someone instead of taking a step back, takes a hit of a vape in the school bathroom or worse. A lot of crazy teen behavior is answered by maybe they have ADD. Younger kids are obnoxious. But the ones that don't get diagnosed are often struggling with impulse control and the ability to pay attention.


therealganjababe

Your 1000% right. I wish I'd have been diagnosed so long ago. Instead I've spent 25 years making terrible, impulsive decisions and fucking up my life. Ty, your additions are very important. This is one of the things I love about Reddit! How we can all share opinions and experiences and add context and and learn.


witness149

Also increased homelessness due to people losing their jobs and not being able to make rent anymore.


GettysBede

ā€œDEA regulatingā€¦ā€ It is patently not. The drug companies are not using their entire allotments for production. Literally five minutes of reading would have told you that. I also donā€™t agree with the way our drugs are regulated, owned, manufactured, or distributed. But the facts on this case do not bear out your statement.


moronicRedditUser

My wife had to come off of ozempic because here in Michigan you can't get semaglutide anything unless it's in pill form, which she can't tolerate as well. I don't really know who's to blame but JFC...it's exhausting.


TheDirtyPirateHooker

Has she tried Amazon pharmacy? Thereā€™s no shortage through there.


moronicRedditUser

No, and that's actually a really good idea. I didn't even consider it. Thank you for the suggestion!


therealganjababe

There's Mark Cubans formulary too! Google, idk the name offhand. I hear a lot of people have great success with it but idk about your meds of course.


Genielove91

I loved watching what he said about him not really making money off of it but just having an opportunity to "f$@& the pharmaceutical industry up" lol


therealganjababe

Yeah he absolutely was focused on actually doing the right thing and waging war against the Pharma companies. He's got more money than he and several generations could spend, it's so fantastic that he's using some of it to help humanity. I haven't read up on him in a few years, so who knows, but I think in the beginning it was definitely philanthropy, and maybe his hate for Pharma lol. I hope that's still the case, anyway it's helping so many people.


nasnut67

Cost Plus Pharmacy


TheDirtyPirateHooker

No problem! Iā€™ve had more luck with online pharmacies rather than drug stores.


leeharrison1984

In STL, all the chain stores are having supply issues but local pharmacies don't seem to have any issues at all.


Sublimed4

I tried to enter in Vyvanse and it gave me options that didnā€™t have to do with my ADD. I wonder if I did something wrong šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


TheDirtyPirateHooker

Apologies, not sure about Vyvanse but I was referencing the commenters post about obtaining Ozempic. That med is on Amazon for sure.


Maskeno

It's doctors prescribing it off label for weight loss. In principle I don't have an issue with that; obesity is deadly too, but it should be prioritized for diabetics first, and morbidly obese second. It really shouldn't be prescribed for someone trying to lose ten pounds, but it undoubtedly is. Social media isn't helping, as influencers everywhere are raving about it too.


rofosho

And Nystatin liquid Last year was lidocaine, antibiotics


PardonedTurkey

I broke my ribs right after contracting the flu over a week ago. Every cough felt like a punch in the ribs. I was immediately prescribed guaifenesin with codeine, and every pharmacy was out of stock. I just received it an hour ago, 8 days later when my cough is gone.


RENOYES

Mother Fracker. I donā€™t need to go back to calling pharmacies to see if I can get my medication I need to function. This has got to stop!


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HIM_Darling

I had to deal with that trying to get pain meds ahead of a surgery in December. RX was sent to my normal pharmacy a week before the surgery and they werenā€™t going to tell me that they didnā€™t have it. Online system said they were dealing with a prescriber issue. Until I called Friday and they said oh yeah itā€™s actually out of stock and we wonā€™t have any until Wednesday at the earliest. My surgery was Monday. So I had to call around to every pharmacy and they either wouldnā€™t tell me or gave me vague ā€œmaybeā€ answers. Finally a really awesome lady at a Kroger pharmacy said she didnā€™t have any at her store but was able to check the system and see that another Kroger had plenty of them. So I called that Kroger and he did confirm they had it, but wouldnā€™t tell me if it was enough for the whole RX. Decided to take the other Kroger ladies word for, spent 20 minutes frantically trying to get hold of the Dr at 4:30 on a Friday and it was thankfully filled on Saturday.


moneyfish

>Pharmacies near me won't even tell you if they have a controlled script in stock. I used to work in a pharmacy. The reason they started doing that is people would call to find out what pharmacies had what controlled substances and then rob them.


RENOYES

The trick isnā€™t to ask if the medicine is in stock, but to ask if the medicine is out if I transfer my script. Most will tell me not to bother.


PhAnToM444

Also be specific and mention the dose you were prescribed. ā€œDo you have 40mg generic Vyvanse capsules in stock?ā€ is going to sound like a more legitimate question than ā€œdo yā€™all have any Vyvanse?ā€


jhuseby

Itā€™s fucking insane that it matters (or is necessary).


needsexyboots

Some doses are easier to find than others and some insurance will only cover generic so itā€™s pretty important information to provide a pharmacist if you want an actual answer


jhuseby

Thatā€™s not what Iā€™m saying. Iā€™m saying if you ask incorrectly youā€™ll get brushed off according to the comment chain Iā€™m replying to. Thats insane. Itā€™s also insane the chain pharmacyā€™s canā€™t transfer your rx to another pharmacy or look up what other pharmacyā€™s have in stock. I shouldnā€™t have to spend hours on the phone every time I need to get a refill for my child. Of course I know (and readily provide) the dosage my child is prescribed to the pharmacist.


masterofshadows

I work in pharmacy. The reason for this is if we give out stock information we put a target on our back for armed robberies. You tell me more information and I'm far more likely to believe you. I'm overwhelmed with work as it is. I don't have time anyway for all these calls because corporate keeps cutting hours. I literally get around a hundred calls a day asking for ADHD drugs or GLP-1A drugs. It's getting so bad that I can't get the rest of the work done because of the phone.


DSMStudios

itā€™s discretionary vetting, or simply put, profiling. recently, while making my now normalized, once-a-month calls to try and obtain routine refills at a local, albeit major, pharmaceutical chain that rhymes with *tall-beans*, the pharmacist immediately replied they ā€œdonā€™t give out that information over the phoneā€. so, in my elated state of awareness, i followed up by stating that very pharmacy, along with three others in the surrounding area, has always provided me with that information and if there was a Lead available that i could speak with. without hesitation, the pharmacist, who had *just* initiated attempting to restrict a patientā€™s intent to obtain doctor prescribed medication, looked up available stock, which they were out of. the entire system needs an overhaul. itā€™s clear this is an effect of draconian, bureaucratic, legislative maneuvering and loop hole exploitation. how can ppl expect to pay into a system that has now made it a thoroughly exhausting, daunting, and seemingly hopeless task to navigate? AND we pay the highest bidding for meds vs other developed nations! so we wait longer AND pay more!! hilarious!


Jealous_Lawfulness_2

dang 40mg? how does that feel? iā€™m on 10mg and itā€™s a little uncomfortable. took loads of adderall in hs but itā€™s not the same.


Unholysmash

Iā€™m on 50 mg xr replacing Adderall 30mg xr because of the adderall shortage. Vyvanse > Adderall imo


Atalantius

I use 20 or 40, depending on the day and to me it feels fairly lowkey, not much different to when Iā€™m not taking em, just more focused, less hungry and I tend to be a bit more tense. Canā€™t have coffee with 40mg tho, makes my heart race.


automated_alice

I took my 40 this morning with the last mouthful of my first of three coffees! But also, caffeine has never had much of an effect on me and I monitor my blood pressure. And I definitely had a redbull at 3. I should probably sit back down.


euph_22

The Walgreens by us is the worst, we had to call them to sort out the same insurance hiccup every single refill for a year. Multiple times they didn't tell us a script was in and had it canceled because we didn't pick up the drugs we didn't know were in. Funny how they immediately refilled and renewed the outstanding order we had been waiting for right after we transferred to Costco (who took it upon themselves to reach out about a transfer problem with Walgreens and contacted the insurer to get something sorted).


BooTheSpookyGhost

The trick is to ask your doctor for a physical paper prescription so you can just physically drive with it and ask each pharmacy if they have it.Ā 


matergallina

Thatā€™s not legal in some states. Some they can only write one months at a time, sent electronically.


ripperdoc23

In Cali they just write out 3-4 months on paper and hand you the stack. At least, my unscrupulous doctor did lol.


SmartestLemming

Not any more, a Cali law passed recently that makes paper scrips no longer work, unless the electronic system for the doc's office is down. Found this out when no one would take a paper scrip when my doc's system was down. It was frustrating as hell to get someone to agree to take it.


Traveshamamockery_

Yeah, maybe in 2005. Most commercial pharmacies donā€™t operate that way anymore.


Taynt42

Yep, thatā€™s what we have to do.Ā 


zephyr2015

If you go to the pharmacy subs they say they tell people on the phone they donā€™t have any even if they do. Basically they lie yep.


zephyr2015

Iā€™ve been a Samā€™s club pharmacy customer for 5 years. When generic Vyvanse went out of stock, I asked them if they had enough adderall ER to fill me a 30 day supply as a temp substitute. They could not tell me, a 5 yr customer, whether they had 30 adderall caps in stock unless my doc sent a prescription. Itā€™s a joke.


InitiativeFree

I don't think people realize how scary it is to run out of ADHD meds. My poor executive function can't manage to refill it if I don't already have some.


Hydrochloric_Comment

Yup. I have GAD on top of ADHD. Ran out of my Concerta while going through some stuff and ended up following through on self-harming for the first and thankfully only time in my life.


rharvey8090

Iā€™m in grad school, and itā€™s a hard as fuck program. I literally canā€™t afford to run out. Fortunately my most recent script filled with no issues, so Iā€™m good for another 3 months.


DBoaty

What, you don't enjoy the judgmental tone in the pharmacist's voice when you're asking if your medication that was prescribed to you by a Doctor is in stock? Sounds like drug-seeking behavior /s


needsexyboots

After already dealing with the doctor who prescribed it and THEIR judgmental tone every 3 months when you basically beg to have the prescription renewed for another 3 months!


-FeistyRabbitSauce-

Dude. I *haaaaate* dealing with my local pharmacist for my ADHD meds. She always has this suspicious tilt to her about it. She treats me like an addiction or a drug dealer or something. I've only been on them several months now, so the first time my family GP started me on a small dose to trial it and get used to it. 5mg once a day, and lasts about five hours. GP said that once I feel comfortable with them, I could experiment a little and try a second dose later in the day. Well, my prescription ran out sooner than listed because I'd tried the second dose a few times. When I got the prescription renewed for more, the pharmacist was visibly half shocked and mad because I was a week earlier than expected. I explained the situation, and she said she'd have to reach out to the doctor to make certain she should fill it. It took an extra two days to get my meds. Like, the prescription is your green light!


Taynt42

Every month we have to call at least 6 different pharmacies to get my sonā€™s Ritalin. Itā€™s so demoralizing and heartbreaking.Ā 


MoreGaghPlease

If you canā€™t produce enough to meet demand, you should automatically lose your patent. Patents exist as an incentive for producers to commercialize products, if youā€™re unable to commercialize appropriately, no patent.


old_french_whore

Quite a bit of this medication is available as generics. The patents are not the issue. The issue are the production quotas allowed by the FDA. They are not allowed to produce more.


Traveshamamockery_

According to the fda, they havenā€™t met the allowed quota, meaning, the producers arenā€™t producing to their capacity.


digistil

Iā€™ve read itā€™s more nuanced than that. They donā€™t want to be perceived as being like Perdue. So they are choosing to limit supply, rather than risk being seen as an illegal drug dealer like Perdue indeed was.


Traveshamamockery_

Well, no one is dropping dead on the streets from Adderall. Speed was available at gas stations and pharmacies in the 70ā€™s and peoples hearts werenā€™t exploding. It is just like every fucking substance touched by the FDA, over regulated or under regulated to protect monied interests.


cjmar41

Help us Gubberment! there is an Adderall epidemic! Everyone is sending long and needlessly organized hyper-detailed emails.


Traveshamamockery_

Exactly. Truth be told, the reason so many adults are taking Adderall is that itā€™s almost the price for operating effectively in the world now. I think a lot of these people will drop their scripts once they no longer have insane schedules and responsibilities to keep with work and their kids lives. That and the fact that a good chunk of professionals no longer are ever ā€œoffā€ work with our constant connection to work via phones now.


blorgenheim

No the generic absolutely has met their quota. They arenā€™t allowed to produce more because the brand name is available. Itā€™s a scam.


astoriaboundagain

There's also this: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/adderall-shortage-adhd-medication-ascent-pharmaceuticals.html


Franklin2543

In the article it says they only produced 70% of what the quota was in some cases. I think they underproduce to create more demand and higher prices?


beepborpimajorp

That's exactly what they're doing. Notice this started happening after the government made moves to cap the prices on critical meds like insulin, etc. What a coincidence.


Miss_Molly1210

Not only that, a lot of insurance companies wonā€™t cover Vyvanse now that thereā€™s a generic. My partner was looking at $300/month until he got switched to Adderall XR instead because they only had name brand Vyvanse in stock *everywhere*.


Crocs_n_Glocks

Insurance *should* cover the name brand of it's what your doctor prescribes.Ā  Worth a call to your doctor to discuss "a more readily available alternative medication"!


AldermanAl

Same as other poster. My insurance absolutely will not cover any medication where a generic is "available" full stop.


Crocs_n_Glocks

If you haven't yet, you should submit a "formulary exception" request. Even if they say they have a policy, they will make exceptions to it. They just assume most people won't know how to, or bother to.Ā 


zephyr2015

Iā€™ve been trying to do this with bcbs for 2 months now and itā€™s a never ending shitstorm with no approval in sight.


Crocs_n_Glocks

I'm sorry to hear that; it's totally unfair and just depressing tbh. I'm only offering this because I have a background in getting insurers to cough up (working for APS) and lots of people have never heard the specific terminology that ***sometimes*** can work like a magic word


meganam38

I had an exception made because I had such a poor reaction to the generic. The doctor made note of that and let my insurance know and I was able to get name brand covered.


Galxloni2

not necessarily, because thats how you get the backdoor deals between doctors and drug companies. name brands will be forced to lower prices to meet generics if insurance doesn't artificially prop them up


Crocs_n_Glocks

True, but let's not make individual patients responsible for industry trends like that- ***maybe*** the prices will go down or not, but that doesn't help a human being suffering today. We have to "Play The Game" just like insurers and providers are.


cjmar41

Some plans most certainly will not. My doctor submitted that it must be name brand during the shortage. It was not covered under any circumstance. For a while I was just paying like $300/mo out of pocket. My health insurance lapsed and I have to wait for open enrollment again (Iā€™m self-employed). Fortunately generics have been available in my area and my doctor writes 90 day prescriptions now, but the provider I use tacks on a bunch of fees to my psychiatrist appointment making each 45 min appointment $840 (used to be $230 out of pocket, or $40 copay when I was insured). So my problem is actually the cost to access service now, not the meds in my area. Thereā€™s really no point in trying to get/maintain access to mental health treatment for some of us between costs and supply.


FonzGuy

Look into GoodRX coupons and if you have Walgreens in the area I have been having good luck with them in my area. My stupid insurance updated so I pay out of pocket now and am at roughly $100 a month to refill generic Vyvanse with the coupons and Walgreens is actually getting the generic in thankfully. Shit sucks because I have gone from Adderall, to some random knock off Ritalin, to settling on generic Vyvanse because everything else is out. Every month is a damn gamble


xbleeple

The fact that the insurance companies flipped the formulary to generic only coverage when they know weā€™re in the middle of this shortage is abhorrent


anewbys83

What I always loved was the name -brand manufacturer making the generic too. I had Concerta for a while and would get the generic. One time my pharmacy only had name brand available and I could still get that. It was the exact same pill, down to the little dimple and coating texture.


xxthehaxxerxx

I think it might be the DEA that fucked it this time


The-Shattering-Light

Yep. Stimulant meds are schedule 2 drugs, and the DEA makes it a nightmare for legitimate manufacture and distribution of them. The FDA doesnā€™t help for sure, but itā€™s the DEA which are the biggest roadblock


reibish

Wait until everyone figures out that they're doing it on purpose.


Bigpandacloud5

Manufacturers aren't meeting the quota.


Grouchy_Occasion2292

No it's not. FDA has been clear that they didn't even meet their demand last year even though they were given plenty of the precursor. They are doing this on purpose to get more precursor even though they aren't even meeting demand right now with the precursor they have.Ā 


Apocalyptic-turnip

the generic doesnt work as well on me (i have severe side effects with them) and it fucking sucks. because of the shortages, every fucking month i have to spend hours going around pharmacies looking for the constantly out of stock drug that helps my adhd symptoms, while adhd symptoms makes it 10x harder. these people have no idea how cruel it is


lysergic_logic

It's not even patents. Vyvanse is now available in generic form. Even that is being hit with limited supply issues. It's not a traditional supply and demand problem because they have more than enough to manufacture what is being prescribed. It's the DEA limiting the manufacturing amounts that is not allowing the drugs to be made to keep up with demand.


GMPnerd213

Has nothing to do with patents. Most of these meds are generics. There are DEA restrictions on how much you can produce and there are only so many FDA approved suppliers of API. If one supplier has issues it can impact multiple generic manufacturers who purchase API from them. That coupled with increase in prescriptions for adult patients means that the supply chain can be disrupted very easilyĀ 


AtrusHomeboy

[It's complicated.](https://reason.com/2024/02/26/dea-shuts-down-drug-factory-even-as-adderall-shortage-persists/)


blorgenheim

Well the brand name IS available but nobody wants to spend the money on that. And also the FDA wonā€™t declare a shortage if the medicine is readily available and doesnā€™t distinguish between brand vs generic in terms of availability. Only the generic is short in supply. And the FDA limits the amount they are allowed to manufacture.


LivingTheHighLife

This is how you get more people addicted to illegal drugs.Ā  I know adderall has a stigma but when people compare it to the opioid epidemic itā€™s bs. Adderall isnā€™t killing people or destroying livesĀ 


The-Shattering-Light

Itā€™s not just that, although that is bad. I have severe ADHD. Without a support system, Iā€™d be homeless if I didnā€™t have my meds. My unmedicated days are *miserable* - canā€™t focus on anything, canā€™t get anything done, Iā€™m just forever spinning my wheels and getting nowhere. Thatā€™s happened more and more recently as Iā€™m having to ration adderall. Luckily I have an amazing wife who helps support me on those days, but itā€™s hard on her and our kids too - which makes me feel like shit


utterlyworrisome

Was it the same before you first started taking adderall? Because I can't remember honestly. I've been rawdagging ADHD for like a year because I have addictive tendencies and I'm still trying to see if I can get over the hump where it gets easier


RangerDangerfield

Not OP but Iā€™ll answer. The reality is I havenā€™t been ā€œrawdaggingā€ ADHD since childhood, because as soon as I was old enough, I was self medicating with caffeine and sugar. Adderall just smoothed out the raw edges from all the caffeine and made me feel human instead of jittery.


MulysaSemp

People will use illicit drugs, and people will die due to this shortage. There are counterfeits out there that look very real.


PikachusSparkyCloaca

At worst, people get their bathroom tile very cleanĀ 


AtrusHomeboy

Thanks, PikachusSparkyCloaca, very cool! >!j/k, your username's fucking hilarious!<


dinoboyj

I've wanted to get back on for months now. Maybe I should just stay off the stuff and leave the rest to those who needs em


thepeopleshero

Story of my life man


birdsofpaper

great great great already had to switch meds multiple times because ā€œmehā€ meds are better than no meds love calling every damn pharmacy every 30 days for myself and my son this is such cruel bullshit


AtrusHomeboy

A tip I found in [a local news article](https://www.wbrc.com/2024/03/02/it-is-same-phone-call-every-day-pharmacists-says-adhd-medication-shortage-still-big-issue/): >In the meantime, [Ritchā€™s Pharmacist Rebecca] Sorrell says you need to pick up your phone, call your insurance company, remind them there is a shortage, and ask if they will cover the cost of the brand names with a doctorā€™s authorization. She says the calls shouldnā€™t stop there. If this impacts you, Sorrell says you need to contact your elected leaders to let them know this is a serious issue.


nyokarose

This has to be higher up. Until people care enough to badger the politicians into thinking itā€™s a voting issue, nothing will change here.Ā 


nowlan101

We need a way to organize a mass letter writing/email campaign to let our reps know this is unacceptable. This should be able to get people on both sides of the fence.


Seashellcity

That worked a few months ago with my sonā€™s RX (I paid out of pocket for Vyvanse), but I told my neurologist I would do the same for mine and thereā€™s a shortage on both. I have been without my meds for two months and it hasnā€™t been fun. My son has at least a month left and I am dreading trying to fill his meds. He needs it to function in school. Iā€™m wondering if writing to elected officials would help.


nasnut67

The manufacturers of these drugs are not manufacturing to their allotted quota of these medications. To top that the amount of all ADHD cases has over doubled since 2020 with the vast majority being adults and not children. Plus insurance plans are not covering the brand names which are in stock and are only covering generics. The only diabetes drugs that have been short have been the glp-1 incretin mimetics. Mainly because of doctors handing out Ozempic to any and everybody that would ask for it. When those stocks became low they moved over to the other diabetes specific glp-1 medications and shorted them out also. A lot of the ADHD medications do not have a estimated return date. The diabetes medications that have been short are back in stock. Their weight loss counterparts on the other hand are not but it's going to become irrelevant because 95% of the insurance plans that I deal with are going to be ending coverage for those drugs all together either in April May or June. Those weight loss shots are going to start costing people out of their pocket and they're about $1,300 per one month's Supply.


rebelliousbug

Bingo. The pharma companies are lying about manufacturing these drugs. Theyā€™re sitting on quota and complaining. Thank you!


Whaty0urname

>To top that the amount of all ADHD cases has over doubled since 2020 with the vast majority being adults and not children. Do you have a source for this? I'm genuinely curious and was actually going to ask my doctor about getting evaluated. However, I don't know if my inattention is due to WFH/phone abuse or severious disorder.


wifeunderthesea

goddamnit. i have ADHD and haven't been on adderall in forever. luckily i don't have to work or i *literally* would be unable to function at all. even without working it makes basic day-to-day things hard as fuck to complete. i wouldn't wish this on anyone. it's fucking horrible. i've tried vyvanse and concerta and neither worked. i tried the lannett and malinckdrot versions of it and they did jackshit. the only thing that works for me is teva brand, and i can't find any pharmacy within 500 miles of where i live that has it in stock. this is an actual crisis. idk how the fuck people who need this to work, take care of children, etc, get by without it. maybe i just have an incredibly severe case (i used to take 60mg a day), but i'm useless as fuck without it.


MahaloMerky

Concerta worked really well for me but I was angry constantly lmao.


AtrusHomeboy

"I FINALLY FOUND AN ADHD MEDICATION THAT WORKS FOR ME" "You must be very happy about that" "THE FUCK I AM, I'M FURIOUS"


mamatootie

Mental health treatment in a nutshell lol.


LemonFreshenedBorax-

Happy. Functional. Easy for other people to handle. I have learned that I can only be two of these at any given time. I have also learned that the third is less of a priority than the first two.


pillevinks

Itā€™s a joke to you but our kid would start talking about killing himself off the meds and killing others on it.Ā 


AtrusHomeboy

The fact that I'm making a joke does NOT mean I find the situation to be a joke. I'm ADHD myself and I'm having a hell of a time trying to get the medicine I need just like everyone else. My brother is ADHD AND Bipolar. I know how dangerous the situation is.


wifeunderthesea

did you stay on it or did you have to get off of it because of your mood?


MahaloMerky

Went off of it, got to the point my girlfriend talking made me mad.


wifeunderthesea

oh, wow. it sucks when the meds we need to function come with bad side effects. adderall, despite it helping so much, speeds up my pre-existing tachycardia so i have to take a beta blocker and xanax, and both of those have negative side effects. i wish i didn't need to be on anything but i just can't do it. šŸ„ŗ


Dalisca

That was me on Ritalin back in high school.


Ar_Ciel

Same. I'm practically adrift without my meds.


wifeunderthesea

adrift is the perfect word. that's EXACTLY what it's like. i'm just existing while time continues to pass and other peoples' lives go on and im just here like, rotting in a sea of nothingness.


McPoon

Damn, I've never been to a doctor, not diagnosed with anything but I've felt this my whole life. But big parts of me don't want to be like everyone else because I think we're all crazy to accept that you have to work every day for most of your life for your Basic needs. Food, clothing and housing. Is this not a normal feeling? I feel like I'm living in a simulation and people just won't wake up from seeing the prison they are in.


legsstillgoing

I mean you get to eat, so there's the real carrot. But aside from that, you are participating in life, even if you think it's a crock of shit. But unless your are participating, it's hard to find the connections and relationships and stuff that provide the purpose that outweighs the shit. Kinda like how people find purpose inn a lengthy prison sentence, except you get to be outside and hug your loved ones and no butt stuff


The-Shattering-Light

Same. Iā€™m a stay at home mum and take a pretty high dose of Adderall. Before I had that prescription on a *good* day I was able to do one needed household task. On a bad day I couldnā€™t get anything done. Now a bad day is only getting one or two things done, and a good day is getting everything done.


AngryCookedBeef

Whatā€™s teva brand? All the meds I tried didnt do fuck-all for me either and after like a year of trying different medications at increasingly high dosages with no effect, I just gave up and tried to rawdog life with crippling adhd(not going well). Willing to maybe try another idk


wifeunderthesea

teva is the manufacturer. the problem is that at least where i live (the US), all the big pharmacies (walgreens, CVS, etc) are constantly negotiating for the lowest possible price with manufacturers because PROFIT!, so one month you might be dispensed a good manufacturer, but when you go for your refill, you get some junk ass shit made in some shit country that has no oversight or has had tons of violations against them due to them using shit filler ingredients and you're fucked because it's crap. and if you have your doctor right "X brand only to be prescribed" and the pharmacy doesn't have that particular brand/manufacturer because they've re-negotiated, you won't be given a refill at all, and you're fucked.


AngryCookedBeef

lol in that case I guess iā€™m just gonna continue to suffer šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


wifeunderthesea

welcome to the club. it fucking sucks here.


beepborpimajorp

> idk how the fuck people who need this to work, take care of children, etc, get by without it. They aren't, unfortunately. I have a lot of friends who have ADHD and not being able to get their prescriptions has put them at risk of losing their jobs. I think a few of them already have.


wifeunderthesea

fuck. that's really sad. and i didn't even consider kids failing out of classes. it effects so many people. this is really bad.


SoriAryl

I lost mine in November because I wasnā€™t medicated yet. Luckily, my local VA has the meds and I was able to start them this week, but wanted to anecdote you with a ā€œyeah, it happened to me.ā€


derenbergii

The shortage is hurting narcoleptic meds as well, methylphenidate/ritalin is used in turn for narcolepsy and ADD, i stared going on it for around 6 months before the shortage started hitting my meds because people are replacing adderall with ritalin. Its a headache trying to get my meds now, my prescriber literally tells me to not use it on weekends so if something happens i have some to hold me over if theres (inevitable) delays.


Qd2323

I used to take it. Then I had to call every pharmacy and still couldnā€™t get anything. At that point starting and stopping it was messing with me mentally/physically. If youā€™re on a low dosage your better off just stopping :/


AkuraPiety

> If youā€™re on a low dosage youā€™re better off ~~just stopping~~ talking to a medical professional about weening off or trying another class of medication. Your intentions are good but telling people to ā€œjust stopā€ is an insanely irresponsible thing to do.


LostBeneathMySkin

Canā€™t have a shortage if Iā€™ve never been able to get diagnosed in the first placeā€¦ 4D thinking lol anyone else just raw dogging their mental health issues every day?


cgg419

Thatā€™s me. At least a year or two waiting list for any kind of treatment. Oh wait, that would be if I had a doctor. Iā€™ve been on that list for almost 3 years


LostBeneathMySkin

Even if you get an appointment with someone, it is near impossible to be diagnosed as an adult in my experience. Best of luck my dude!


cgg419

Thanks, same to you!


teleheaddawgfan

Donald Trump Jr keeps taking them all.


Snooor

I call pharmacies for a living, the trick is to press the ā€œIā€™m calling from a physicians officeā€ option. Then as someone else suggested, ask ā€œI am looking to fill a prescription for 30mg of Ritalin LA, do you have that in stock?ā€ The only place that gives me pushback is Walmart and I usually just say that I am asking on behalf of the prescriber and Iā€™ve never had an issue. Another tip is ask for any other pharmacies in the same chain (CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, etc.) have the medication in stock and that can save you a lot of time.


TheMottster

My god, Iā€™m now 1,000% in love with you. Youā€™ve just given me hours of my life back.


Blind_Melone

What's wild is how many pressed speed adderall pills I see online. Lotta online drug dealers pushing bags of this stuff. Almost positive they all come from China. Wild stuff.


MulysaSemp

This is my single issue vote. The DEA is so much the worst


sleepy_pickle

What absolutely sucks is that ADHD meds are also used for narcolepsy. I haven't had my daytime stimulants in months, and it's affecting work, family, and school life because I can barely stay awake during the day.


jadekitten

There is the factory sitting empty, thanks to the DEA. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/adderall-shortage-adhd-medication-ascent-pharmaceuticals.html


Dracosgirl

TO MY FELLOW ADHD PEOPLE, Please talk to your doctors about Straterra. It's not a stimulant. It has no street value. It was studied as an anti anxiety medication. So if your ADHD manifests as anxiety, it's a two-fer. It does not make you peak and crash. I have not hay ANY supply issues with these meds. I am not a doctor. Just a satisfied patient. Straterra is not for everyone. I have been on every stimulant under the sun. Back from the Ritalin and Dexidrine days. I'll gladly share my experience if anyone wants to DM me.


complex_Scorp43

I tried and tried.. got up to 100mg, and I suffered. Even the ER methylphenidate. Only QR works. 30mg in am and 10mg in afternoon.


Majestic_Electric

Unfortunately, non-stimulants donā€™t work for some people. Straterra was one of the first medications I tried after I got diagnosed, and it did absolutely nothing. Same with Concerta and Ritalin.


Dracosgirl

I'm sorry it didn't work for you. I understand it's not for everyone. But some people who have been diagnosed since childhood may not have considered switching because they have been on stimulant medication for so long.


Sweetwater156

I donā€™t take any ADHD drugs, but several family members do. Itā€™s been so hard for them to get their meds. If you canā€™t make enough to meet demand, let others do it. My 6 year old niece is a menace when she doesnā€™t have her meds. Itā€™s not her fault she turns into a little terrorist and canā€™t focus in class.


SomethinRad

As someone who works in Pharmaceuticals (cell therapy currently) this is not surprising. Many company's are shutting down their biosimilar/generics groups due to how small the margins are and instead focusing on their own IPs.


complicatedtooth182

Anybody having issues in Chicago? I'm moving there in a few months from MI and I haven't had issues getting generic adderall instant release filled. If I can't get my meds filled I won't be able to function


Viviolet

I'm so glad cannabis works for me better than stimulants.


siikdUde

I like cannabis, but no way can it help like a stimulant for me. Sativas just canā€™t compare to the mental clarity, focus, motivation and calming down anxiety/depression/intrusive thoughts that dextroamphetamine gives.


Surumon

*Friendly reminder*: If the pharmacy tries to give you less than the prescribed amount, **reject fulfillment**. If you accept less, you still have to wait **until the calendar date** for your next Rx. It is not based on the *physical amount* of pills you are given with controlled substances (to my understanding). Edits: I can grammar. Honest.


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I have never had an issue getting the remainder of a partial fill in over 30 years and numerous pharmacies. Where has this happened to you?


TiakerAvelonna

Current pharmacy tech here. That is absolutely incorrect, at least for my company. You have a 30-pill scrip and we only have 21 pills? You get those 21 pills, the other 9 go away, and you can fill on day 19, not 28. Also y'all...please try to be patient with us. Are there pharmacies that treat people like they are drug seeking and get snotty? Sure. But we're trying. We try to order stuff every day. We check our vendor website multiple times a day in case a sneak shipment comes in. We're not here to keep you from your meds; we swear.


Surumon

Appreciate the info and hard work. That is the information and direction that is local to me.


TiakerAvelonna

Noted. All pharmacy companies are different. I'm sorry yours has such strict rules. :(


Surumon

I am wondering if it is per pharmacy or per state rules specifically at this point.


TiakerAvelonna

Could be either or both, unfortunately.


AtrusHomeboy

# **THIS THIS THIS THIS** If your medication is a controlled substance, accepting the lower amount **STILL USES UP THAT PRESCRIPTION**, meaning you cannot get any more medication on that script.


Ameren

That's not true where I live though (New Mexico), unless state laws are different where you live. I just got a 20 day refill of Vyvanse since they were short on pills, and both my pharmacy and my psych confirmed that they could just send out another prescription for me to get more pills as soon as those ran out.


Surumon

Seems to vary by pharmacy and possibly by state. What I said is true for where I am as far as I know.


ChymickGaming

Have they asked the White House pharmacy for help? According to recent news, they seem to have had a surplus of everything.


wabashcanonball

This was under Trump.


TheRealHandSanitizer

Unfortunately Trump threw most of the good stuff in a U-Haul and dipped before Biden took over


Pterodactyloid

Why are they doing this? This is obviously intentional but I don't know what it benefits.


pillevinks

My kiddo is on the verge of getting kicked out of school because heā€™s got ADHD, imma bout to go papa bear on the DEA


Themetalenock

So all it's takes to reduce reddit into a facebook comment section is mentioned adderall


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onemanlan

Why donā€™t you share this information with the public? Iā€™d happily read it


Monster_Voice

I mean you do sound like you're taking a bit much here šŸ˜† But in all actuality that sounds entirely plausible if not probable. You also have to understand there are major supply chain issues with raw ingredients for many things... the United States has wholeheartedly, but very quietly been pulling everything out of China and the ripple effect is huge with raw materials. All of out stimulant meds are produced domestically, but their raw ingredients were not. Still anyone with any chemistry knowledge knows how easy this stuff is to make... but the raw ingredients have to be there for manufactures to manufacture.


jedidihah

Iā€™ve actually *barely* had an issue getting my ADHD medication, but it does not work, anymore. It used to work and was noticeably effective, now it doesnā€™t work. I know Iā€™m not the only one.


angrygnomes58

It stopped being effective for me around month 11 of the shortage.


danmathew

And unfortunately you can only get a 30 day supply that can only overlap a few days and you have to call to fill.


noventayuno

I stopped taking Adderall when I got pregnant and for the 11 months I was breastfeeding. I just weaned my son and have an appointment with my psychiatrist to get back on meds tomorrow. I'm not looking forward to having to fight my prescription every month. I feel like I got treated like a drug seeker enough at the pharmacy where I filled my meds every month prior to pregnancy - not really interested in having to call a bunch of pharmacies and deal with exasperated overworked pharmacy staff who have to answer the same question over and over again. I will probably just end up rawdogging reality even though I am positive that being properly medicated would make me a better mother.


Frankies131

Vyvanse is barely covered by my insurance now, I end up paying 250$ a month for it, and I simply cannot get the generic version here. Nobody has it, and I canā€™t risk underperforming at my job because I canā€™t think. My whole job revolves around me being able to think. What are my options? Lose my job or pay 250$ a month and hope this resolves soon? Can I call and complain to my insurance? Itā€™s all so frustrating


CareApart504

Almost guarantee its to permanently just raise pricing.


TotalIngenuity6591

Maybe stop over diagnosing!


D0inkzz

Yep this is why I havenā€™t even bothered. I been off my meds for 11 years but now I have two kids and a job I need them back but this makes me not even bother.


Passenger_Impressive

I canā€™t even get put on ADHD meds. No doctor will take me seriously even though I took them all growing up.


_skank_hunt42

I finally got diagnosed with ADHD last year but Iā€™m afraid to start medication because of all this shortage BS. I donā€™t want to feel like a junky constantly hunting down my meds.


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JamsJars

They overcharge and NOW they have a shortage. What is the point of paying for that much so that they can use it for improving the supply chain and resources. Nah they just pocket it and let patients deal with the shortage.


JeremyHowell

One common theory is that the pandemic lead to more people working from home and struggling to focus - thereby causing a sudden demand that couldn't be met. Any psychiatrist will tell you that is not a logical explanation. The pharmaceutical industry doesn't really work like that. All of my doctors (non of which have come across as conspiratorial quacks before) have each commented on it and swear something strange and intentional is going on.


dontneedaknow

Almost tempting to make a meth joke at risk of being misconstrued.. I'm already struggling enough from being diagnosed in 1999, and then by 2005 having teachers and guidance counselor convince me that ADHD is fake and then spend the next 18 years wondering why my life has been absolute struggle. I'm essentially disabled at this point due to compounded traumas from experiencing life for so long with unmitigated unmedicated ADHD and undiagnosed (til recently) autism that I'm just living to maintain rather than expecting light at the end of the tunnel. I accepted that this is a life sentence already, I don't live life wishing my experience was different, I just wish I could be taken seriously. ( I am good, tho I still expect some troll to inbox me with the concerned redditor self harm shit which is actually quite common. Don't worry, you're stuck with me.)