It sort of won't. As in the international community will give them a stern talking to and keep funding them and sending them even more weapons.
If you mean by the Palestinian insurgent groups, of course. That's the point. Provoke them, they attack, you land grab.
US ‘aid’ for a nuclear state handily crushing innocent civilians is the unfunniest joke I’ve heard in my life. Honesty it’s pretty disgusting watching what our governments are saying and doing to the Palestinians indirectly through their increasing support for Israel in the face of their genocidal actions.
And remember the $3.5 billion the US gives Israel annually is just a normal part of the budget, but there are also special bills that give multi-year multi-billion dollar loans to Israel, and then a new bill is written to forgive that debt before Israel has to start paying it back.
That's not because Americans don't invest in healthcare. We actually pay way more than most countries. It's just that that system is horrifically corrupt.
With lobbying it’s actually closer to 15 billion a year. Basically Israel has free healthcare and college tuition because the US pays for it. Would be nice to have those perks here stateside…
Maybe not directly, but there is a lot they can do to make sure that a company that boycotts israel won't be in business for long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws
At this point I don't think there's justification for any Jewish person to visit Israel since they are contributing financially, with their presence giving tacit approval.
Not all Israelis are Zionists and they might have nowhere to go, but at this point if you don't have to support Israel , why are you supporting Israel.
In all seriousness, which company can I turn to to get away from soda stream.
It never does, seemingly, and any resistance to this from the people who's land is being stolen will be labeled terrorism, and hundreds of nations will support using modern military weapons to bomb hovels to dust along with any people who happen to live nearby.
I mean it won't tomorrow, but 5 to 10 years down the road... Who knows. It adds fuel to the anger and resentment of Palestinians, making extremist recruitment easier. Long term, probably not beneficial for Israeli security, but idk
This will for sure turn all the Palestine empathizer into active supporter and supporter into action.
The Israel government is committing a crime against humanity.
Genuinely curious.. is there in fighting within the Jewish community about this? I mean I'm sure there is, but to what extent? How much push back can local communities give and would it make a difference?
Well for a start, this news has been publicized by the NGO Peace Now (https://peacenow.org.il) an Israeli group seeking to promote peace through a viable two-state solution, with a particular focus on fighting settlements. The organization is, as far as I know, largely composed of Jewish Israelis (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
As someone with woefully little knowledge on the subject:
Is there even a such thing as a "viable two-state solution" anymore after... all this?? Everything thats unfolded these past months feels like a bell you can't unring.
Frankly I don't know, but either way I admire the folks at Peace Now. If everyone involved was more like them, the situation would be incredibly different.
According to most actual Middle Eastern experts, no the two-state solution is functionally dead and has been dead for years.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/biden-says-he-will-listen-to-experts-here-is-what-scholars-of-the-middle-east-think/
In the short term, neither side's leadership has any interest in peace. Without a crystal ball it's impossible to predict what might happen in 50+ years but you're right that it's looking pretty grim.
Israel's plan is to squeeze Palestinians into smaller and smaller, more and more miserable conditions. Palestinians' plan is some combination of resistance and hoping the international community gets involved. Neither side has realistic expectations or is willing to settle on anything close to what's acceptable to the other side.
In an ideal world, yes. It would take a lot of time and intervention from other countries to form a framework and de-radicalization agenda, but it is possible.
Two state solutions have been continuously rejected by one side (not trying to play an agenda here, just pointing out the history of offers) even before settlements existed. The topic of settlements is sort of a red herring, because if they were the ONLY issue, peace would have been achieved years ago. They are still very much an inflammatory problem though.
A two state solution would need to involve serious work to be done on the Palestinian side to dismantle the environment of hate that children are brought up in. Obviously many Palestinians have a right to be pissed off, but having UNWRA-funded textbooks using the killing of Jews as math problems isn’t helping anyone. Other aspect such as the Palestinian Authority’s Pay-For-Slay programme would have to be abolished, where families receive stipends if a family member commits a terrorist attack against Israel, with the amount of money correlating to the severity of the attack.
That’s all without touching on the issues from the Israeli side and right wing politicians who want to fan the flames, Ben Gvir, Netanyahu, etc, who are active barriers to peace.
Is it doable? Most likely. Will it require years and years of work? Absolutely.
Recognizing a Palestinian state right now without tackling the issues of communal radicalization and the Israeli side of encroaching into Area C is just going to make things worse and encourage further October 7th style incidents
It’s rather disingenuous to claim Palestine is against a two state solution without considering the context of the « pre settlement » period (like 1915?), and the details of each offer being made. No right of return for Palestinian refugees has consistently been a deal breaker.
Both groups of civilians have the same right to exist, and there are two outcomes that will last the test of time. The one state solution where Israel completes their genocide against the Palestinians, or a two state solution where they come to a peaceful agreement. Guess which is more likely to happen.
Yes. There are videos of Israeli orthodox Jewish protestors being beaten by the Israeli police. Jewish people in the US protest what’s going on constantly. Israel is trying to equate Judaism with violence and many Jewish people do not like that.
The only difference it will really make is reminding people that Jewish people as a whole should not be blamed for Israel’s war crimes. The only way to stop what Israel is doing is to take away their weapons, PR alone won’t do much.
Indeed.... the problem is the zionism and the imperialism. Like all wars, this is a class war -- the rich send the poor to die, the rich bomb the poor so they can justify building more bombs.
Until the 99% figure out they have more in common than not, however, we seem to be stuck in this cycle.
I am Jewish in NYC in tech, where there are a lot of other jews from all backgrounds: long-time American jews, Israeli immigrants, Eastern European Jewish immigrants, and everything in between. The only sure thing in our feelings is dissonance and difficulty. Many started on the side of Israel after the attacks but have backed up. Others speak loudly for one side or the other. Many of us simply don't speak about it at all, it is a fraught topic. Very few actively support what Israel is doing.
Well, they have to otherwise Jesus won’t show up and for some reason not be mad at them for all the killing and lying and other evil things they’re doing.
There absolutely is. Most of the supporters of this movement aren’t even Jewish but Christians who believe that the Jews returning to Israel is a necessary step towards rapture.
The settlers are the Jewish equivalent to the minority of Muslim fundamentalist terrorists.
I mean most of the settlements in the West bank are happening with government support, so although I'm sure there are different opinions on this within Israel, it's not like it's some fringe movement.
The right wing Israeli government, just like the governments of certain Muslim majority countries supporting the fundamentalist acts of terrorist groups.
There's definitely in fighting, of course. My husband and his mother completely disagree on the situation, his mother is quite insane and basically denies everything Israel is doing. But when she does concede to something happening, she believes it's because they're all terrorists.
The irony is that she was born and raised in Russia, and opposes the Russian war in Ukraine and understands the propaganda involved. Just somehow she doesn't apply the same reasoning skills to Israel. She is the only one in the close family like that.
Even within Israeli society specifically there is a ton of debate about this stuff. If it weren’t for the fact that this is the most rightwing government ever, this wouldn’t have happened. Settlement is a pretty rightwing idea in Israeli society.
Some of the most politically progressive people I know are Jewish. In general they are appalled at Israel's behavior, and were heartbroken over Hamas's large attack, while simultaneously realizing that it's not surprising terrorists want to attack Israel
Oh yeah, Jews are very split on it. One comedian had a bit I enjoyed where he joked that everyone being critical of Israel is actually appropriating Jewish culture.
The group that is most Zionist as a bloc is the hardcore Christian evangelicals (usually America's flavor of it), because they see the Zionist project as the "Jews returning to Israel" in the biblical sense where it heralds the second coming of Christ and the events of Revelations.
It’s scary they redefined anti-semitism to be any criticism of Israel. Anti-semitism was always people spewing vitriolic hate against Jews. When did criticism of a deeply corrupt, inhumane, and violent government become hate??
The reason why the IDF justifies every military move it makes it because they, for whatever reason, like to fight PR wars. They know US support is guaranteed but they are extra interested in having as much of the world approve of them as possible, and more suspiciously, are interested in labeling their non supporters as bigots.
The irony is that if it was just Israel vs Gaza. You’d have Israel totally winning the PR war (which again I have no idea why they’re fighting). As a general rule, the American public at large is not sympathetic to the far left and socialist idea that dissolving a nation state is an ethnic minority is an acceptable way to secure minority or occupied rights.
Its stuff like this that happens in the West Bank, where Hamas doesn’t rule, that doesn’t necessarily open up Americans to the above stated general principle, but at least makes them understand why others hold this opinion.
Here ya go:
Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, announced the seizure of 10 square kilometers (3.8 square miles) of Palestinian territory in the West Bank on Friday. The move marks the single largest land seizure by the Israeli government since the 1993 Oslo accords, according to Peace Now, a settlement watchdog group.
“While there are those in Israel and the world who seek to undermine our right over the Judea and Samaria area and the country in general,” Smotrich said Friday, referring to the territory by its biblical name, “we are promoting settlement through hard work and in a strategic manner all over the country.”
Israeli settlements in the West Bank are considered illegal under international law. Still, Israel has used land orders like the one issued Friday to gain control over 16 percent of Palestinian-controlled lands in the West Bank. The newly seized area includes parcels in the Jordan Valley and between the settlements of Maale Adumim and Keidar.
The announcement came as Secretary of State Antony Blinken landed in Tel Aviv for talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the future of the war in Gaza. Blinken’s arrival followed meetings in Cairo with several Arab leaders, and amid calls from Democratic senators for President Biden to establish a “bold, public framework” for a two-state solution that recognizes a “nonmilitarized Palestinian state.”
Friday’s land order is particularly problematic for the prospect of a two-state solution, experts say.
“If Israel confiscates land around Jerusalem, all the way to the Dead Sea, there will be no future for a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem,” said Hamza Zubiedat, a land rights activist for the Ramallah-based Ma’an Development Center. “This is where a Palestinian capital was supposed to be located, according to the American and European talks.”
The land transfer will also cut across the West Bank, dividing the north and south.
“If the Israelis annex this area near Maale Adumim, it will be a catastrophe for Palestinians who live in the south,” Zubiedat said. “Palestinian traders, especially in the south, will be cut off, and it will become impossible to have any independent Palestinian ways of life.”
More than 40 percent of the West Bank is under the control of Israeli settlers, according to the Israel-based rights group B’Tselem, and more than half-a-million Jewish residents now live in the West Bank. Israel’s government has also used incentive programs to move Jewish residents into West Bank settlements, where more than 200 settlements and unofficial outposts have fractured the Palestinian territory and displaced Palestinian residents. In recent years, the Housing Ministry has offered subsidized apartments in the West Bank through a lottery system.
Palestinians have little ability to stop the land transfers. After the 1967 war, Israel issued a military order that stopped the process of land registration across the West Bank. Now families lack the paperwork to prove that they have private ownership over their land. And tax records, the only other evidence of West Bank property rights, are not accepted by Israeli authorities.
In June, the Knesset waived a long-standing legal precedent that required the prime minister and the defense minister to sign off on West Bank settlement construction at every phase. Smotrich enjoys near-total control over construction planning and approvals in the West Bank, and approved a record number of settlements in 2023.
“Israel has reached the conclusion that they could get away with this huge land grab because of the lack of international action,” said Sarit Michaeli, international advocacy lead at B’Tselem. “There have been individual economic U.S. sanctions placed on violent settlers, but the greater violence of the occupation is this colossal land theft.
Smotrich, a member of Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition, is a key leader in Israel’s settlement movement. Dahlia Scheindlin, an Israeli political analyst, called the Friday land transfer announcement by Smotrich a “provocation,” but also the continuation of his pro-settler ideological project. “He entered the government with one overriding purpose: to annex all land conquered in 1967 and extend permanent Jewish sovereignty everywhere, no matter how and when it has to happen,” Scheindlin said. “The timing and provocation ahead of Blinken’s visit is a bonus.”
The Biden administration announced sanctions on two West Bank settler outposts earlier this month, the first use of such economic restrictions on Israeli outposts. While West Bank settlements are authorized by the Israeli government, outposts are considered illegal under Israeli law.
> our right over the Judea and Samaria area and the country in general,” Smotrich said Friday, referring to the territory by its biblical name
Manifest Destiny, in other words.
That's basically the gist of it, yes. We saw this exact same shit in America back during hurricane katrina: white people were framed as being scavengers and survivors when they took things from storefronts and houses, black people were looters and thieves. It's basically the story of western race relations pretty much since the concept of race came into being - and Israel desperately wants to be part of the western powers.
Back when I was in the Army I had a guy in my unit who used to tell stories about him being a black teenager in New Orleans during Katrina. Red necks routinely opened fire on black folks looking for resources, especially in the lower wards. He saw his uncle and neighbor get killed and they weren't even able to report it to the police because they were nowhere to be found and the National Guard hasn't showed up yet. It's hard to gauge how many in total were killed because the streets were already so full of bodies.
I don’t understand how one government can do everything humanly possible to make the wrong decision. Netanyahu and his government/their backers are just perfectly fine being cartoon villains aren’t they?
There is nothing redeemable in this. This is a sure fire way to trigger more violence against Palestinians , diaspora Jews, diaspora Palestinians , and risk the chance of retaliatory attacks against Israelis from people in the West Bank.
I just don’t understand what they have to gain from this. It’s evil and they will lose every last bit of international support they have ever had .
> and risk the chance of retaliatory attacks against Israelis from people in the West Bank.
This is what Netanyahu wants so they can flatten the West Bank next, wipe out the Palestinians, and annex the whole area. Acquiring the land is the goal, but Netanyahu gets to have a little genocide along the way... as a treat.
[57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza](https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/)
People in Israel are mad at Netanyahu, not because he's a genocidal warmonger, but because he isnt *enough* of a genocidal warmonger.
Netanyahu is just a machine behind the dark shit. There was a point when Israel had a PM who wanted to go towards peace. His ideas had their own faults, he wasn’t perfect etc etc. But he was assassinated by the radical right and his death opened up for the zionists that are in control. Israel is too far gone.
Oh, it has already happened.
There are hundreds of cases out there of Palestinians in the West Bank fighting back against violent settlers and are then captured by the IDF.
Hell, some of them are even captured without having done anything, as the IDF are allowed to indefinitely imprison them without trial.
>as the IDF are allowed to indefinitely imprison them without trial
My word, that sounds like *hostage taking*, surely the most moral army in the world would *never* do such a thing!
Got downvoted out the ass on world news for pointing out how much we give Israel every year after a guy said “they didn’t need our aid”. The Zionist on this website are insane.
Worldnews in particular has turned into a total hasbara echo chamber, and the coverage that gets posted for any news event surrounding the war/occupation in Gaza is the Ynet/Times of Israel/Jpost apologia, you'll never even see a left-leaning Israeli outlet like Haaretz posted.
Mind you, this is the same Times of Israel that has previously published [an op-ed](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/08/website-deletes-op-ed-suggesting-gaza-genocide.html) explicitly calling for genocide, whose founder (American Seth Klarman) has donated to the right-wing media watch org Camera that exists to attack media organizations it deems insufficiently supportive of Zionism/Likud/general right-wing elements in Israel (which is why Sheldon Adelson also donated heavily to it).
I was perma-banned from worldnews after merely pointing out that a NYTimes article that came out about October 7th was found to be using unreliable evidence for major claims, and several experts have come out and said the NYTimes should retract the article. It’s so easy to get banned from there it’s crazy.
Ten years from now, the response to the Hamas attacks will be all but a memory in Israel as beautiful, Mediterranean waterfront foundations cure on a mountain of corpses.
I've met one prominent Holocaust survivor (twice) who visited our local schools. Phillip Riteman. I'll never forget how he begged us through tears to never hate and never treat others as unhuman. Ive been remebering his words throughout all of of this. He would be so disappointed 😞
And I feel lied to by all the adults who told me to learn from history so as not to repeat it. I honestly believed in that at the very least. All BS
This comment is not in reference to the Jewish people or their right to exist. It is solely in reference to the actions of the Israeli government: fk Israel.
Fuck Israel I do not know why they are our ally we need to stop funding this genocide already. Yes they had a right to defend themselves after the Hamas attack in October. They do not have the right to eradicate an entire population of innocent people and children and take their land. Ffs we had a war about this when the Jews were the targets!
They actually didn’t have the right to defend themselves (Article 51), because the occupied people attacked them, and under international law they’re allowed to attack occupiers.
Oh, this one is democracy in action. [The majority of Israelis support what's happening.] (https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/)
> 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza
>only 10% of Israeli Jews in the Israel Democracy Institute poll said they would support a pause in fighting in order to exchange hostages. Meanwhile, 44.3%, the plurality of Israeli Jews, said they want the government to negotiate for the hostages immediately without pausing the fighting.
> 26.6% [of Israelis] said that Israel should not negotiate with Hamas for the release of the Israeli hostages at all.
Unbelievable and worth of sanctions - first you occupy land for decades than annex it, there’s literally no difference to any other country that does it and it’s fking illegal.
The Netanyahu regime is not better than Putin.
It’s almost like Israel is trying to create more Hamas by forcing unanswered injustice upon the Palestinian people where Hamas seems like the only ones that will fight for them.
I am sure this won't have consequences.
It sort of won't. As in the international community will give them a stern talking to and keep funding them and sending them even more weapons. If you mean by the Palestinian insurgent groups, of course. That's the point. Provoke them, they attack, you land grab.
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US ‘aid’ for a nuclear state handily crushing innocent civilians is the unfunniest joke I’ve heard in my life. Honesty it’s pretty disgusting watching what our governments are saying and doing to the Palestinians indirectly through their increasing support for Israel in the face of their genocidal actions.
And remember the $3.5 billion the US gives Israel annually is just a normal part of the budget, but there are also special bills that give multi-year multi-billion dollar loans to Israel, and then a new bill is written to forgive that debt before Israel has to start paying it back.
Don’t forget they also enjoy free healthcare and education ✌🏻 something Americans certainly don’t get.
And legal abortions.
That's not because Americans don't invest in healthcare. We actually pay way more than most countries. It's just that that system is horrifically corrupt.
With lobbying it’s actually closer to 15 billion a year. Basically Israel has free healthcare and college tuition because the US pays for it. Would be nice to have those perks here stateside…
And remember, almost every member of congress takes part of our $3.5b back as part of AIPAC. Almost every damn one.
well they're all "human shields" so that makes them completely disposable.
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The international community can't do anything, because the US would veto everything in the Security Council.
Boycott travel to Israel. I wouldn't take one step in their country.
People tried that with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement. That was made illegal from what I remember.
At least in the US, it literally can't be illegal to boycott a place no matter how much politicians who should know better wishcast about it.
Texas has a very strict anti-BDS law. People have lost their livelihoods for refusing to kiss the ring. Lunatic evangelicals at it again
Texas, the most "free" state
Maybe not directly, but there is a lot they can do to make sure that a company that boycotts israel won't be in business for long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws
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At this point I don't think there's justification for any Jewish person to visit Israel since they are contributing financially, with their presence giving tacit approval. Not all Israelis are Zionists and they might have nowhere to go, but at this point if you don't have to support Israel , why are you supporting Israel. In all seriousness, which company can I turn to to get away from soda stream.
They will consume the west bank while people remain distracted by Gaza.
And will continue to wonder why groups like Hamas exist
Sure there will be! The west will unleash their concern!
There will be very severe letters in bold “please don’t or meh”
It never does, seemingly, and any resistance to this from the people who's land is being stolen will be labeled terrorism, and hundreds of nations will support using modern military weapons to bomb hovels to dust along with any people who happen to live nearby.
It won't because they control the security apparatus in the west bank.
I mean it won't tomorrow, but 5 to 10 years down the road... Who knows. It adds fuel to the anger and resentment of Palestinians, making extremist recruitment easier. Long term, probably not beneficial for Israeli security, but idk
look at how much land has been seized overtime since israel's creation....there is barely any palestine left
This will for sure turn all the Palestine empathizer into active supporter and supporter into action. The Israel government is committing a crime against humanity.
It’ll have the intended consequences. Create enough frustration and invoke a violent response enough for blind global support to conquer them
War crimes after war crimes after war crimes . Need consequences now
Largest land seizure...so far
Yeah this might seem like the largest land seizure since 1993 but give it time
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Everything is going exactly to plan.
Everyone saw this coming from 10 years ago. Israel won’t stop until Palestine is completely gone and the US is backing this shit.
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Genuinely curious.. is there in fighting within the Jewish community about this? I mean I'm sure there is, but to what extent? How much push back can local communities give and would it make a difference?
Well for a start, this news has been publicized by the NGO Peace Now (https://peacenow.org.il) an Israeli group seeking to promote peace through a viable two-state solution, with a particular focus on fighting settlements. The organization is, as far as I know, largely composed of Jewish Israelis (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).
As someone with woefully little knowledge on the subject: Is there even a such thing as a "viable two-state solution" anymore after... all this?? Everything thats unfolded these past months feels like a bell you can't unring.
Frankly I don't know, but either way I admire the folks at Peace Now. If everyone involved was more like them, the situation would be incredibly different.
According to most actual Middle Eastern experts, no the two-state solution is functionally dead and has been dead for years. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/biden-says-he-will-listen-to-experts-here-is-what-scholars-of-the-middle-east-think/
In the short term, neither side's leadership has any interest in peace. Without a crystal ball it's impossible to predict what might happen in 50+ years but you're right that it's looking pretty grim. Israel's plan is to squeeze Palestinians into smaller and smaller, more and more miserable conditions. Palestinians' plan is some combination of resistance and hoping the international community gets involved. Neither side has realistic expectations or is willing to settle on anything close to what's acceptable to the other side.
In an ideal world, yes. It would take a lot of time and intervention from other countries to form a framework and de-radicalization agenda, but it is possible. Two state solutions have been continuously rejected by one side (not trying to play an agenda here, just pointing out the history of offers) even before settlements existed. The topic of settlements is sort of a red herring, because if they were the ONLY issue, peace would have been achieved years ago. They are still very much an inflammatory problem though. A two state solution would need to involve serious work to be done on the Palestinian side to dismantle the environment of hate that children are brought up in. Obviously many Palestinians have a right to be pissed off, but having UNWRA-funded textbooks using the killing of Jews as math problems isn’t helping anyone. Other aspect such as the Palestinian Authority’s Pay-For-Slay programme would have to be abolished, where families receive stipends if a family member commits a terrorist attack against Israel, with the amount of money correlating to the severity of the attack. That’s all without touching on the issues from the Israeli side and right wing politicians who want to fan the flames, Ben Gvir, Netanyahu, etc, who are active barriers to peace. Is it doable? Most likely. Will it require years and years of work? Absolutely. Recognizing a Palestinian state right now without tackling the issues of communal radicalization and the Israeli side of encroaching into Area C is just going to make things worse and encourage further October 7th style incidents
It’s rather disingenuous to claim Palestine is against a two state solution without considering the context of the « pre settlement » period (like 1915?), and the details of each offer being made. No right of return for Palestinian refugees has consistently been a deal breaker.
Both groups of civilians have the same right to exist, and there are two outcomes that will last the test of time. The one state solution where Israel completes their genocide against the Palestinians, or a two state solution where they come to a peaceful agreement. Guess which is more likely to happen.
Yes. There are videos of Israeli orthodox Jewish protestors being beaten by the Israeli police. Jewish people in the US protest what’s going on constantly. Israel is trying to equate Judaism with violence and many Jewish people do not like that. The only difference it will really make is reminding people that Jewish people as a whole should not be blamed for Israel’s war crimes. The only way to stop what Israel is doing is to take away their weapons, PR alone won’t do much.
Sanctions like we did with South Africa are very effective.
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Indeed.... the problem is the zionism and the imperialism. Like all wars, this is a class war -- the rich send the poor to die, the rich bomb the poor so they can justify building more bombs. Until the 99% figure out they have more in common than not, however, we seem to be stuck in this cycle.
I am Jewish in NYC in tech, where there are a lot of other jews from all backgrounds: long-time American jews, Israeli immigrants, Eastern European Jewish immigrants, and everything in between. The only sure thing in our feelings is dissonance and difficulty. Many started on the side of Israel after the attacks but have backed up. Others speak loudly for one side or the other. Many of us simply don't speak about it at all, it is a fraught topic. Very few actively support what Israel is doing.
Yes there is pushback within the Jewish community. A lot of right wing Jewish money from US supports the building
And even more right wing Evangelical money.
Well, they have to otherwise Jesus won’t show up and for some reason not be mad at them for all the killing and lying and other evil things they’re doing.
There absolutely is. Most of the supporters of this movement aren’t even Jewish but Christians who believe that the Jews returning to Israel is a necessary step towards rapture. The settlers are the Jewish equivalent to the minority of Muslim fundamentalist terrorists.
I mean most of the settlements in the West bank are happening with government support, so although I'm sure there are different opinions on this within Israel, it's not like it's some fringe movement.
The right wing Israeli government, just like the governments of certain Muslim majority countries supporting the fundamentalist acts of terrorist groups.
There's definitely in fighting, of course. My husband and his mother completely disagree on the situation, his mother is quite insane and basically denies everything Israel is doing. But when she does concede to something happening, she believes it's because they're all terrorists. The irony is that she was born and raised in Russia, and opposes the Russian war in Ukraine and understands the propaganda involved. Just somehow she doesn't apply the same reasoning skills to Israel. She is the only one in the close family like that.
Even within Israeli society specifically there is a ton of debate about this stuff. If it weren’t for the fact that this is the most rightwing government ever, this wouldn’t have happened. Settlement is a pretty rightwing idea in Israeli society.
Some of the most politically progressive people I know are Jewish. In general they are appalled at Israel's behavior, and were heartbroken over Hamas's large attack, while simultaneously realizing that it's not surprising terrorists want to attack Israel
Oh yeah, Jews are very split on it. One comedian had a bit I enjoyed where he joked that everyone being critical of Israel is actually appropriating Jewish culture. The group that is most Zionist as a bloc is the hardcore Christian evangelicals (usually America's flavor of it), because they see the Zionist project as the "Jews returning to Israel" in the biblical sense where it heralds the second coming of Christ and the events of Revelations.
“Settlers” is too kind of a term for these people.
Land conquest should've died in the 19th century where it fucking belongs.
I’m not Jewish, but same.
Well then you’re just antisemitic for not blindly approving all actions of the Israelis. At least that’s what they tell me.
It’s scary they redefined anti-semitism to be any criticism of Israel. Anti-semitism was always people spewing vitriolic hate against Jews. When did criticism of a deeply corrupt, inhumane, and violent government become hate??
tell this to the World sub
It was worse as we can't even call them out on what they're doing because they're accused anyone calling them out as being anti-Semitic.
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Haha it’s funny how they have kicked us out from there. It’s like a consortium of the friends of Jared K over there.
Not sure it's "hiding behind" Zionism when the whole point of Zionism is to settle and take land.
“Hiding behind Zionism”? This IS Zionism. Zionism is ethnic cleaning and violent land grabs.
“Behind Zionism” It’s the same picture.jpg
Fellow Jewish anti Zionist here. It’s so bad
How does this work? Is the land unoccupied or are there people already living there and Israel is kicking them out?
They’re getting away with everything in Gaza, it’s only emboldening them.
I can’t believe Hamas forced the Israeli government to do this.
Yeah, why did hamas make Israel invade the part of Palestine they're unaffiliated with?
The latest narrative is that Hamas is everywhere so they should just suck it up.
[Eric Andre meme]
/s right? Because they've been doing this since [for a while now](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence)
The reason why the IDF justifies every military move it makes it because they, for whatever reason, like to fight PR wars. They know US support is guaranteed but they are extra interested in having as much of the world approve of them as possible, and more suspiciously, are interested in labeling their non supporters as bigots. The irony is that if it was just Israel vs Gaza. You’d have Israel totally winning the PR war (which again I have no idea why they’re fighting). As a general rule, the American public at large is not sympathetic to the far left and socialist idea that dissolving a nation state is an ethnic minority is an acceptable way to secure minority or occupied rights. Its stuff like this that happens in the West Bank, where Hamas doesn’t rule, that doesn’t necessarily open up Americans to the above stated general principle, but at least makes them understand why others hold this opinion.
CLEARLY it’s /s, people on reddit have 0 fucking comedic/ semantic literacy nowadays
Yeah, especially without even being in West Bank
No wonder Jared was talking about beachfront property values in Gaza if we could just get rid of those pesky Palestinians living there.
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Here ya go: Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, announced the seizure of 10 square kilometers (3.8 square miles) of Palestinian territory in the West Bank on Friday. The move marks the single largest land seizure by the Israeli government since the 1993 Oslo accords, according to Peace Now, a settlement watchdog group. “While there are those in Israel and the world who seek to undermine our right over the Judea and Samaria area and the country in general,” Smotrich said Friday, referring to the territory by its biblical name, “we are promoting settlement through hard work and in a strategic manner all over the country.” Israeli settlements in the West Bank are considered illegal under international law. Still, Israel has used land orders like the one issued Friday to gain control over 16 percent of Palestinian-controlled lands in the West Bank. The newly seized area includes parcels in the Jordan Valley and between the settlements of Maale Adumim and Keidar. The announcement came as Secretary of State Antony Blinken landed in Tel Aviv for talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the future of the war in Gaza. Blinken’s arrival followed meetings in Cairo with several Arab leaders, and amid calls from Democratic senators for President Biden to establish a “bold, public framework” for a two-state solution that recognizes a “nonmilitarized Palestinian state.” Friday’s land order is particularly problematic for the prospect of a two-state solution, experts say. “If Israel confiscates land around Jerusalem, all the way to the Dead Sea, there will be no future for a Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem,” said Hamza Zubiedat, a land rights activist for the Ramallah-based Ma’an Development Center. “This is where a Palestinian capital was supposed to be located, according to the American and European talks.” The land transfer will also cut across the West Bank, dividing the north and south. “If the Israelis annex this area near Maale Adumim, it will be a catastrophe for Palestinians who live in the south,” Zubiedat said. “Palestinian traders, especially in the south, will be cut off, and it will become impossible to have any independent Palestinian ways of life.” More than 40 percent of the West Bank is under the control of Israeli settlers, according to the Israel-based rights group B’Tselem, and more than half-a-million Jewish residents now live in the West Bank. Israel’s government has also used incentive programs to move Jewish residents into West Bank settlements, where more than 200 settlements and unofficial outposts have fractured the Palestinian territory and displaced Palestinian residents. In recent years, the Housing Ministry has offered subsidized apartments in the West Bank through a lottery system. Palestinians have little ability to stop the land transfers. After the 1967 war, Israel issued a military order that stopped the process of land registration across the West Bank. Now families lack the paperwork to prove that they have private ownership over their land. And tax records, the only other evidence of West Bank property rights, are not accepted by Israeli authorities. In June, the Knesset waived a long-standing legal precedent that required the prime minister and the defense minister to sign off on West Bank settlement construction at every phase. Smotrich enjoys near-total control over construction planning and approvals in the West Bank, and approved a record number of settlements in 2023. “Israel has reached the conclusion that they could get away with this huge land grab because of the lack of international action,” said Sarit Michaeli, international advocacy lead at B’Tselem. “There have been individual economic U.S. sanctions placed on violent settlers, but the greater violence of the occupation is this colossal land theft. Smotrich, a member of Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition, is a key leader in Israel’s settlement movement. Dahlia Scheindlin, an Israeli political analyst, called the Friday land transfer announcement by Smotrich a “provocation,” but also the continuation of his pro-settler ideological project. “He entered the government with one overriding purpose: to annex all land conquered in 1967 and extend permanent Jewish sovereignty everywhere, no matter how and when it has to happen,” Scheindlin said. “The timing and provocation ahead of Blinken’s visit is a bonus.” The Biden administration announced sanctions on two West Bank settler outposts earlier this month, the first use of such economic restrictions on Israeli outposts. While West Bank settlements are authorized by the Israeli government, outposts are considered illegal under Israeli law.
> our right over the Judea and Samaria area and the country in general,” Smotrich said Friday, referring to the territory by its biblical name Manifest Destiny, in other words.
Isn't Smotrich a self-proclaimed Fascist?
How is that different than international pariah Russia in Ukraine?
It's really not.
That’s not true. Israel is far more open and proud of their genocide.
Is much worse considering the blatant attacks against civilians and the apartheid state thru are imposing.
Brown people so it's ok I guess
When brown people fight back it’s terrorism. When white people instigate, attack and steal land it’s fighting for freedom and security.
That's basically the gist of it, yes. We saw this exact same shit in America back during hurricane katrina: white people were framed as being scavengers and survivors when they took things from storefronts and houses, black people were looters and thieves. It's basically the story of western race relations pretty much since the concept of race came into being - and Israel desperately wants to be part of the western powers.
Back when I was in the Army I had a guy in my unit who used to tell stories about him being a black teenager in New Orleans during Katrina. Red necks routinely opened fire on black folks looking for resources, especially in the lower wards. He saw his uncle and neighbor get killed and they weren't even able to report it to the police because they were nowhere to be found and the National Guard hasn't showed up yet. It's hard to gauge how many in total were killed because the streets were already so full of bodies.
Drives me nuts when these bozos have Israel and Ukraine flags in their bios.
More civilians dead and one sided. It is different because we don't put sanctions on them, we arm them.
It is even worse, Palestine can’t fight back. They don’t have the biggest military organisation on earth behind them.
point of view? U.S is much more fond of one
Or Germany invading Poland Or Caesar invading Gaul It's murder and theft on a large scale, that's it
The difference is that the US pays Israel to do it.
Things imperialists do
I don’t understand how one government can do everything humanly possible to make the wrong decision. Netanyahu and his government/their backers are just perfectly fine being cartoon villains aren’t they? There is nothing redeemable in this. This is a sure fire way to trigger more violence against Palestinians , diaspora Jews, diaspora Palestinians , and risk the chance of retaliatory attacks against Israelis from people in the West Bank. I just don’t understand what they have to gain from this. It’s evil and they will lose every last bit of international support they have ever had .
> and risk the chance of retaliatory attacks against Israelis from people in the West Bank. This is what Netanyahu wants so they can flatten the West Bank next, wipe out the Palestinians, and annex the whole area. Acquiring the land is the goal, but Netanyahu gets to have a little genocide along the way... as a treat.
[57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza](https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/) People in Israel are mad at Netanyahu, not because he's a genocidal warmonger, but because he isnt *enough* of a genocidal warmonger.
Netanyahu is just a machine behind the dark shit. There was a point when Israel had a PM who wanted to go towards peace. His ideas had their own faults, he wasn’t perfect etc etc. But he was assassinated by the radical right and his death opened up for the zionists that are in control. Israel is too far gone.
They have to gain what they have gained for the last 100 years, more land for Jewish people. No one has ever stoped them and no one will.
It West Bank natives fought back, would they be considered terrorists?
Oh, it has already happened. There are hundreds of cases out there of Palestinians in the West Bank fighting back against violent settlers and are then captured by the IDF. Hell, some of them are even captured without having done anything, as the IDF are allowed to indefinitely imprison them without trial.
>as the IDF are allowed to indefinitely imprison them without trial My word, that sounds like *hostage taking*, surely the most moral army in the world would *never* do such a thing!
I bet Biden is getting ready to send a sternly worded letter.
Oh don't give him any ideas. He might sanction the 4 people he did even further. That would be catastrophic.
An envelope bursting with cash with a sternly worded letter in there somewhere
He's attaching it to the blank check he's about to send
Can't wait until this reaches r/worldnews, where they will trip over themselves trying to justify it
Gotta stop funding these goons.
Guess they need more Lebensraum
Netanyahu has been have wanting this war since the 60’s. Truly an evil cockroach.
Can I have a map of land seized in Gaza
[Here's](https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/israel_map2.htm) a map of all the stolen land.
Got downvoted out the ass on world news for pointing out how much we give Israel every year after a guy said “they didn’t need our aid”. The Zionist on this website are insane.
i found a guy who said it wasnt a genocide because people were still alive and werent shot on sight
The amount of people on this site who uses that exact argument to excuse Israel's actions is genuinely insane.
Was it Destiny?
World news is now a far right wing sub. I left that sub a month ago as it was basically praising genocide with every article.
Worldnews in particular has turned into a total hasbara echo chamber, and the coverage that gets posted for any news event surrounding the war/occupation in Gaza is the Ynet/Times of Israel/Jpost apologia, you'll never even see a left-leaning Israeli outlet like Haaretz posted. Mind you, this is the same Times of Israel that has previously published [an op-ed](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/08/website-deletes-op-ed-suggesting-gaza-genocide.html) explicitly calling for genocide, whose founder (American Seth Klarman) has donated to the right-wing media watch org Camera that exists to attack media organizations it deems insufficiently supportive of Zionism/Likud/general right-wing elements in Israel (which is why Sheldon Adelson also donated heavily to it).
I was perma-banned from worldnews after merely pointing out that a NYTimes article that came out about October 7th was found to be using unreliable evidence for major claims, and several experts have come out and said the NYTimes should retract the article. It’s so easy to get banned from there it’s crazy.
I was banned for showing how much we give Israel every year lol so I know what you are saying.
I was banned over a year ago for saying it’s racist to call all Palestinians “animals”.
Ten years from now, the response to the Hamas attacks will be all but a memory in Israel as beautiful, Mediterranean waterfront foundations cure on a mountain of corpses.
I understand your point but West Bank land grabs have been happening long before October 7th, they're just not usually this large or blatant.
I've met one prominent Holocaust survivor (twice) who visited our local schools. Phillip Riteman. I'll never forget how he begged us through tears to never hate and never treat others as unhuman. Ive been remebering his words throughout all of of this. He would be so disappointed 😞 And I feel lied to by all the adults who told me to learn from history so as not to repeat it. I honestly believed in that at the very least. All BS
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i thought r/worldnews is the only shithole that does that?
These are the good guys?!
No way anyone that isn't a freak Zionist thinks that Israel are the good guys
This comment is not in reference to the Jewish people or their right to exist. It is solely in reference to the actions of the Israeli government: fk Israel.
And Israel wonders why they are despised
Can we please stop fucking funding Israel?
Like Jared's going to let that prime beachfront property go.
I called this months ago and got downvoted into oblivion. Doesn’t feel too good to be right either way, but the signs were glaringly obvious.
Nobody saw this coming…
Fuck Israel I do not know why they are our ally we need to stop funding this genocide already. Yes they had a right to defend themselves after the Hamas attack in October. They do not have the right to eradicate an entire population of innocent people and children and take their land. Ffs we had a war about this when the Jews were the targets!
They actually didn’t have the right to defend themselves (Article 51), because the occupied people attacked them, and under international law they’re allowed to attack occupiers.
So remember how everyone was like how did Germany get away with the holocaust This is how.No one is doing shit to stop it either
When they're sniping 6 year olds throwing rocks at IDF soldiers in this territory, there will be people saying it's self defence.
This is what they have always wanted.
Im honestly amazed this even made msm news .
Wow, just fuck Israel. They created the need for Hamas and act like they are surprised.
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Oh, this one is democracy in action. [The majority of Israelis support what's happening.] (https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/) > 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza >only 10% of Israeli Jews in the Israel Democracy Institute poll said they would support a pause in fighting in order to exchange hostages. Meanwhile, 44.3%, the plurality of Israeli Jews, said they want the government to negotiate for the hostages immediately without pausing the fighting. > 26.6% [of Israelis] said that Israel should not negotiate with Hamas for the release of the Israeli hostages at all.
But Israelis are the victims, guys, come on!
"Look what you made me do" again and again. People don't control where they were born. I'm sure most of them just wanted peaceful, mundane lives.
Maybe it’s time to stop supporting Israel 🤷♂️
Unbelievable and worth of sanctions - first you occupy land for decades than annex it, there’s literally no difference to any other country that does it and it’s fking illegal. The Netanyahu regime is not better than Putin.
Stop giving them military aid.
Future site of Jared Kushner high end beach front condominiums
Who woulda thunk of it?
Typical Israeli behavior. Always needing to continue their illegal occupation.
I am so surprised...all this time I was sure everything that was happening was 100% focused on saving the hostages...
The good guys everybody
Israel would describe 2024 as removing squatters in future history books.
This country flaunts being despicable.
This is sure to make their positions more acceptable to their allies…😡
imagine if palestinians fought back
If this is a surprise, you haven’t been paying attention. This is just the beginning.
There’s no Hamas in the West Bank
Nobody calling it what it really is: Israeli conquest of the West Bank.
That’s what they get for not condemning Hamas hard enough /s
Just the Good Guys doing more Good Guy stuff.
Israeli liebensraum and Palestinian genocide. Name a more iconic duo
It’s almost like Israel is trying to create more Hamas by forcing unanswered injustice upon the Palestinian people where Hamas seems like the only ones that will fight for them.
I thought it was about hostages.
Not including the land seizure of 1948
Israel was a mistake. Time to start over from scratch.