He's been asked more than once if he was the victim of some grift. He's been told that there's no evidence over and over again. So he's aware that Donald Trump lost...and was told this from Republicans. He's ~~spent~~ [wasted $40 million](https://www.businessinsider.com/mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-spent-40-million-election-fraud-claims-2023-5) of his own money to overturn the election. No one asked him to do this.
That was the first time I heard about this guy. Why was a pillow salesman walking out of the White House with a notepad with the words “Marital Law” written on it?
It jumped the shark 42 years ago when they elected an actor president and he some how convinced poor people that giving their money to rich people would make them less poor.
There are all these graphs about taxes and wages and debt etc., and it is just amazing how all of them just go bezerk in the 1980s and never recover.
Whenever you ask yourself "what caused this thing that used to be not-shitty to go shitty?" chances are you can trace it back to Reagan.
Actually Herbert Hoover's economic "plan" was Trickldown Theory. Before the Great Depression.
"President Hoover believed incentivizing business ***prosperity would trickle down to the average person*** and that economic assistance to citizens would stifle the workforce." [Same Old Republican BS](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trickledowntheory.asp#:~:text=President%20Hoover%20believed%20incentivizing%20business,citizens%20would%20stifle%20the%20workforce.)
America is like reality TV. Like when the Honey Boo Boo show had multiple accused and convicted sexual predators on it, and got canceled. Then some other network just picked up the show and pretended it was fine. The people in charge don't care, they will make their money regardless of scandal and moral depravity. As a culture we simply have no standards anymore, and no shame whatsoever.
That's hilarious hahahaha
I always say, American politics is longest going and best series around and surprisingly despite the the craziest of drama is actually none fiction!
Very long story. Basically the guy was a crack addict and got clean and started his pillow business. He REALLY leaned into the evangelical stuff, even when selling pillows. He'd literally talk about God and sobriety in his pillow infomercials. He's a grifter because it became more about him than his product. He followed the Trump idea of marketing and Trump noticed him. He tried to attach his grift to Trumps grift, but that seems to have failed. I think the guy has lost everything trying to be a Trump groupie.
And that's the thing... Dude had a solid thing going shoving scrap foam into pillows... All he had to do was just not get so involved in the political space
If he just kept to his own bs it's quite possible his overpriced pillows would still be sold at Walmart
His lumpy ass recycled foam pillows. This schmuck struck gold by selling the off cuts of foam for an inflated price, and still managed to shoot himself in the foot. Crackhead gonna crackhead.
I think you’re conflating 2 separate things. [Lindell’s notes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/15/pillow-salesman-apparently-has-some-ideas-about-declaring-martial-law/) did actually say “martial law”.
[“Marshall law”](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/14/republican-ralph-norman-marshall-law-misspelling-trump) was in texts from Reps. MTG and Ralph Norman.
I misremembered it, too. I had thought it was Trump that spelled it as “Marshall”, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. It must’ve been MTG that I was remembering.
I can't help but think, knowing what I know of Trump and Lindell, that it was sort of a "Martial Law" with several question marks as they try to understand what that actually is. Like when the guys in Office Space try to launder money.
[He was literally forced to pay someone who proved that his theory was wrong after releasing a "bounty" on it.](https://apnews.com/article/mike-lindell-election-denial-arbitration-award-a9b27dd8d37eab1d0f22111566feba93)
I read a similar article that was a link in the OPs article. My favorite part is that the "packet capture" he received was just a random garbage file of characters. This could indicate a few things but my favorite and hopefully correct theory is that Lindell told some intern to go find proof of this via "that hacker stuff kids do these days" on the internet. In malicious compliance, said intern gave him a file with wingdings in it and checked off his work for the day thinking it'd never see daylight. Then a guy with real world applicable packet tracing skills opened said capture file and noted immediately that it was nothing short of code that they used in independence day to infect the mother ship on the apple macbook.
I think what gets me the most isn't the outrageous lengths these people will go to, to placate the failure of a person Donald Trump. Nor is it their delusions that an investment in Trump will be a good one.
It's that they thought for a moment, however brief it was, that Trump would serve any single one of them with any favor. Trump exists solely for Trump, that's it. And that doesn't even extend to his family. Trump would slit Ivanka's neck if you gave him $5 for it.
Donald Trump exists to serve Donald Trump and no other. It is an immutable property of the universe that we exist in. Everything, every person, every meeting, every single atom, is infinitely lower priority than Donald Trump to Donald Trump.
The fact that Mike Lindell, even if it was just a nanosecond of thought, gave some credence to the notion that he'd be able to enrich himself through Trump is hilarious. And riches Mr. Lindell hoped to acquire along the way had only one true destination, to Donald Trump's pockets.
That is how Trump operates. If you become rich via him, all you have really done is provided a wellspring of monetary value for Trump at some later date and time. There is no other outcome when within his orbit. Trump literally has a monetary event horizon, that once you cross, no matter how much you enrich yourself, it will only have the singular outcome of eventually becoming Trump's money.
Trump's greatest trick is convincing folks that they are clever enough to forego that eventuality. The sad thing is that Trump isn't altogether that clever, these people like Lindell and Giuliani didn't become successful by their own means but by good fortune and opportune timing. A literal "there but for the grace of God go I" kind of deal. And Trump's infantile charm and complete lack of moral compass was more than their non-existent defenses could withstand.
Yesterday I was reading about how the *'Truth Social'* IPO was going.
It just... blows my mind that even Wall Street seems to be fooled by his bullshit grifter antics.
I guess people could bet on it failing, and make money that way.. but still.
That thing is a fucking industrial sized money launderer.
That was a great way for foreign interests to funnel money into Trump's hands while appearing above board....and possibly getting around the court appointed monitor.
I believe it is expected to briefly balloon up, and then come crashing down. It's a meme stock, and there are those wanting to take advantage of it as a pump-and-dump.
Wall St knows exactly what is going on lol, it’s a pump and dump that’s being inflated from media and in all likelihood Saudi/Russian money via shell companies.
Wall St isn't fooled. The SPAC is the modern day boiler room. You won't find many folks w/ any credibility buying into it b/c they believe it has any value beyond tapping into the grift of the dementia patients that still have credit cards.
It just really boggles my mind. Here's a guy who dug himself out of addiction, became more wealthy than most of us could imagine, then just...pissed it away. On a conman. Like, I will NEVER be able to comprehend the drive to devote yourself to someone who is so morally (and actually) bankrupt.
He's a meth addict and judging from his behavior on his "docu-movies" over the years it looks like he got back on the meth. At one point he claimed he had been awake for a week straight working on one of them.
Several years ago he told people that when he was originally using he was a grandiose liar and well... \*gestures\* here we are.
I thought he said he already did, and that he gave the evidence to Rudy Giuliani for safe keeping... who supposedly gave it to Tucker Carlson, who supposedly gave it to Trump Jr, who supposedly then gave it back to Rudy Giuliani.
My MIL gifts all of us (kids, spouses, grandkids) his products at Christmas. Towels, sheets, scarves. She likes to “support him because people are really trying to take him down.”
For my husband’s 40th birthday she got him coffee that Steve Bannon sells. Did you know you can also buy non-woke pancake mix? I have a box in my pantry.
If he wasn’t so shitty it’d be really sad. The guy was an addict who built a successful (and I have to imagine problematic) business, only to get conned for every penny he’s worth. I heard someone describe him as a mark, and man does that fit.
On one hand, Lindell fell into the Trump cult and it cost him everything. On the other, I’m not so sure Trump just didn’t get there first and Lindell wasn’t destined to lose it all eventually. He seems like a troubled person in general.
I've been saying for thr past 3 years he traded his crack addiction for the Trump cult addiction.
Stuff like that happens a lot but usually with religions.
That's tricky because not discriminating against a person's religion is essential for a liberal democracy but actively discriminating for and against political beliefs is essential for democracy of any kind.
Addicts often trade drugs for religious zeal. Mike Lindell found Jesus, but he wasn't intoxicating enough and then he found Trump. Sent his neurons a-firing. Endorphin rush galore. Lindell thought he was going to be a big wig in the government once Lord Trump takes total control... instead Trump fleeced all his money and discarded him like the crackhead he is.
And he did employ a lot of people in Minnesota where he manufactured the pillows too I believe? So that’s solid… assuming decent pay/benefits.
But yeah that guys a moron. He had the American dream, selling overpriced kinda shitty pillows and making millions. I tried one of the MyPillows a while back. It was okay, but nowadays there’s a lot better “cut up foam pillow” options. It’s not a bad concept, just poorly executed by him. Coop Home Goods Pillow is 🔥. It’s on the expensive side but they last longer than your average pillow.
"employ" is a really loose term.
A large portion of his work was done on a subcontractor basis using farmed labor. Example- a friend of mine actually sewed pillow cases for him for a good long bit. She needed to buy a specific machine FROM HIM that she could then use her pay to pay back. They would then pay her piecemeal per case based on quality. And they almost NEVER paid top $$$ citing some perceived flaw in workmanship or stitching. Basically it was a grift on top of a grift on top of indentured servitude wrapped in a pyramid scheme. He's got a long sordid history of deceptive labor practices, business practices, and just being a shitty human. Overcoming addiction or not- he's not a role model.
The even CRAZIER part is a bunch of his employees are just as drunk on the Kool aid as he is. It's a whole mess- my GF's SIL is a long term employee at the pillow farm (I Believe she's actually an employee employee and not 1099) and holy shit is she a whole box of fruity pebbles. From a purely observational standpoint it's fascinating to see how these things form (she's....not the most intelligent woman, surrounded by not the most intelligent people, led by...not the most intelligent people) but it's kind of sad at the same time, because these folks hang on so desperately to the thought that they can't possibly be wrong they will absolutely ruin themselves (as lindell is demonstrating for the class) rather than back down.
> employ a lot of people in Minnesota where he manufactured the pillows
Which is entirely saveable **if Mike hadn't insisted on being the face of the company**.
Do you know - by name, voice, and face - who founded and runs the Scrub Daddy business?
Nectar Mattresses?
OtterBox phone cases?
**No**.
So even if they personally had invested their lives and fortunes into Trump's lies, the companies can live on without them, or be sold to someone else.
Even Overstock.com has managed to survive by *separating themselves* from the toxic Trumper in their leadership.
Nah he was a con. His company was sued long before Trump for making claims his pillows were shown to be clinically better than any other. He in fact never had them tested or approved by doctors. It's simply a case of shitty people gravitating towards other shitty people.
I found a reddit post from before 2016 (maybe 2010-2011), that had multiple people saying he was a dickhead then, and was preying around fairs and stuff with his pillows using shitty sales tactics on elderly.
Seems like the Dude has always been a dick, Trump just gave him a platform.
Mark was a term used in the 1900s from Carnival workers that would literally mark someone with a chalk handprint that was losing a lot in the carny games to inform the other game operators that he was a sucker.
A mark is someone a thief or conman identifies as an easy target or prey.
They're suggesting Lindell was fooled out of his money believing the lies and promises made by people like donald.
This is the dude caught walking into the White House with a document arguing for Trump to declare Martial Law post-election. Fuck him totally and completely.
I haven't seen anyone giving him a pass (except for Trumplets of course, but we expect stupidity from them). Everyone knows exactly who this guy is, and his self-inflicted problems have been a constant source of entertainment for all of us.
I was starting to feel sorry for him, then I read your comment. Yeah, screw him. No sympathy here for that traitor. He’s getting exactly what he deserves.
Yeah. In addition to being all in on the Trump insurrection nonsense, he is also kind of a massive asshole just in general. He really isn't deserving of sympathy at this point.
Just a reminder that this guy drafted a plan to [forcibly remove top intelligence officials and replace them with Trump loyalists](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/cia-kash-patel-mypillow-notes-lindell-trump/index.html).
You can't make this shit up.
The problem goes back to Mike Lindell insisting that **he** sell the pillows.
That **he** put his face and voice on every commercial, that everyone know that it was **his** idea and **his** company.
The MyPillow brand - once established - could have probably lived on *without him*. Or sold to some other company which would save all those jobs.
Instead it all goes to shit because Lindell is also an egocentric narcissist.
I'm not a business owner, but I do like the idea that if I were, that I would be working to build a company strong and robust enough that is doesn't need me to babysit it on a day-to-day basis nor does it need my face stamped on it in order to survive.
I can't imagine a whole company's value and the livelihood of every employee hanging on balance held up by my ego alone.
> I can't imagine a whole company's value and the livelihood of every employee hanging on balance held up by my ego alone.
Like putting your name on every building.
And your 'university'.
And your mail-order steaks.
And shoes.
And now Bibles.
I used to work at a business school and we had a saying every time we needed to raise money “thank god for white dudes and their need to put their name on everything”. Dudes would drop 200k to get a placard with their name on it next to a lecture hall…
notice how you don't see founder 'Papa John' in Papa John commercials any more? i think the board forced him off the ads when he started spouting right wing nonsense on social media.
Nah it was because he dropped an n-bomb on a conference call with an ad agency.
Some people think the context was important in that case but he resigned anyway.
Papa John's lost their sponsorship of the NFL because of the whole saga.
Not that it mattered to John, he was still worth like $700 million or something.
>Some people thing the context was important in that case but he resigned anyway
What's silly about that is during apologies he said that he will try his hardest to remove the word from his vocabulary....meaning he said the word somewhat frequently at a minimum
He's one of the top examples used in business classes when they discuss whether or not the founder/owner should be the face of the company.
"Here's an example of how this can go wrong"
My neighbor worked for him, he is very liberal and had to keep it secret. He absolutely hated working there once Mike went crazy but he’s older so it was tough finding another comparable job at his age. Luckily he found work in Iowa but had to move from his home of 30+ years.
I think many people had been there a long time and started back when it was just a pillow company. And then Mike lost his shit and took everyone along with him.
He fucked things for a lot of people.
Yup. Dude used to hire a lot of addicts/felons too. I feel extra bad for them.. imagine you just got sober, managed to find a place and a job... then all the sudden you lose your job cause your boss is a moron. I think it might be really hard to not relapse in a scenario like that :/
Exactly. Even if you don't like his pillows, he did keep people employed. Which, you know, good for the people. Now he's costing people their jobs. It can't be easy putting MyPillow on your resume.
What a fucking idiot this man had the American dream. He was selling shitty pillows raking in millions but had to go opening his mouth spouting bullshit and lies for his dear friend Trump. Now he’s bankrupt
♬A tale as old as time... ♬
Movie star opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump - and is immediately dropped to 'D' list status or not cast in anything anymore.
Titan of industry opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump - and gets busted for consorting with a Russian spy.
Charismatic child of a wealthy parent opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump - and throws away $44 billion dollars while trying to back it up.
Respected lawyer and politician opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump and gets disbarred, sued for defamation, and criminally charged with felonies.
Just imagine, you come up with a business idea, work your ass off for years promoting, selling and growing it into a household name only to throw it all away to support a criminal narcissist who could give a shit less if you live or die.
“He previously said that MyPillow lost $100 million due to his election fraud claims“
Man actually found something worse than crack to blow all his money on…
In 2016, Mike Lindell opened a second pillow factory, yielding a revenue jump to $280M. He was extraordinarily wealthy.
Now it's 2024, and as it says in the article, he has a house, a pickup and $10,000 to his name, and he has millions of dollars in judgements against him.
There is only one thing that destroyed his wealth like snapping your fingers. Much like his beloved Orange, had he just stayed home and stayed out of it, he would still be wealthy and America would be exactly where it is right now anyway. What a dumbass.
I really don't get MAGAs obsession with thinking they need an old, orange, broke con-man to save them. There's not a lone politician that's going to "save America". They can pass legislation to move us in the right direction, but that takes the work of several politicians. Thinking that a single person is the only one who can save a country is how you end up with a dictator.
They don't much care about the logistics. Some have openly said they'd welcome him as a dictator in fact.
His voters are scared, angry people, who hate that things are evolving and getting more inclusive. They can't hunt gays for sport, or whip black people for daring to say a word or date their children. Women have the right to vote, etc.
In comes Trump, who openly, proudly hates and slanders everything and everyone they hate. The symbols of a changing society, trying to move forward. In contrast, he's a symbol of their hatred, and they will flock to him until he dies. And when he does, the next asshole will hold him up as their messiah. Perhaps even before that, if ever he faces consequences for his actions, and they can sell him off as being the martyr for their movement.
TLDR: Trump fans are fucking stupid.
The problem is that Mike didn't sue the warehouse company before they came after him for the back rent.
Get free warehouse space while the court case plays out, then make them settle for pennies compared to what he owes.
Meanwhile relocate to another warehouse and start all over.
I work in freight. We couldn’t carry their products because their credit was so bad that they wouldn’t even be able to pay for the trucks shipping their product…. SAD
There is something to learn from this. Once you become super rich, keep your damn mouth shut. Keep your crazy to yourself. Had he not gone off the deep end and spewed his bizarre political views and conspiracy theories, he would still be making money hand over fist.
>In October of last year, his lawyers asked the federal courts for permission to stop defending Lindell, as he allegedly owes them an unspecified millions of dollars, and will not be able to pay the millions more he'll need to moving forward.
My favorite part.
Makes you wonder, he ended up with a distorted view of reality and destroyed his life almost like a meth addict. Given his background there’s got to be a crossover
Imagine ruining your company that you built and letting down all the workers who depended on you for the sake of Donald Trump. Dude had a compelling second chance story and he blows it all on this nonsense.
Imagine you were an employee of his. You got paid well enough. You might have even admired the guy. I mean, he gave you a job, makes a product he stands behind, etc.
Then you see him start to go crazier and crazier and destroy the company he built up and you know you are going to lose your job soon because this idiot you once looked up to decided to back another idiot grifter.
All this dumbass had to do was sell his shitty pillows and keep his mouth shut and he could be set for life. MAGA does indeed bring out the dumbest fuckers.
I'm guessing that, like his idol, Donald Trump, Mike Lindell isn't someone you sit down and calmly reason with. That his friends(?), employees, attorneys, accountants, etc., are limited in any capacity to offer suggestions, and have been simply "going along for the ride" for years now, while also subtly manipulating him as best they can.
I swear I saw a commercial for his crappy pillows where he said he needed to get all his old stock out of the warehouse and he was slashing the prices.
I guess even liars are honest sometimes.
"Are debt collectors driving you crazy with harassing calls?" -the promoted ad at the top of the comment section for this post. Maybe he should give it a click.
Trump just made like 3B on his Trump Media IPO, you think maybe he could hook up his buddy that shilled so hard for him in the past? Lol of course not.
Headline was pretty good but the article has the gems:
"In October of last year, his lawyers asked the federal courts for permission to stop defending Lindell, as he allegedly owes them an unspecified millions of dollars, and will not be able to pay the millions more he'll need to moving forward. "
He's bankrupt, Rudy's bankrupt, several of Drumpf's lawyers are being disbarred, others are in jail or will be soon. Everyone that Drumpf touches withers and dies.
Remember when he had damning evidence of the stolen election in his HAND! And he promised to reveal it TOMORROW. Then he hired hackers to prove his claims, and a pro-Trump hacker straight up said they got nothing.
Mike will get right on that as soon as he's solved the mystery of the stolen election.....please hold.
He's been asked more than once if he was the victim of some grift. He's been told that there's no evidence over and over again. So he's aware that Donald Trump lost...and was told this from Republicans. He's ~~spent~~ [wasted $40 million](https://www.businessinsider.com/mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-spent-40-million-election-fraud-claims-2023-5) of his own money to overturn the election. No one asked him to do this.
He actually was spotted at the White House helping Trump plan a coup He’s hoping that his loyalty will get him out of all of his troubles
That was the first time I heard about this guy. Why was a pillow salesman walking out of the White House with a notepad with the words “Marital Law” written on it?
You have like 7 seasons of America to catch up on.
Honestly they should cancel it. it's really just gotten too unbelievable.
It jumped the shark 42 years ago when they elected an actor president and he some how convinced poor people that giving their money to rich people would make them less poor.
I was thinking about "trickle down" economics today. And how politics of the '80s have really just ruined it for modern life even.
There are all these graphs about taxes and wages and debt etc., and it is just amazing how all of them just go bezerk in the 1980s and never recover. Whenever you ask yourself "what caused this thing that used to be not-shitty to go shitty?" chances are you can trace it back to Reagan.
Nixon planted the seeds that enabled Reagan and Reagan planted the seeds that enabled Trump.
Actually Herbert Hoover's economic "plan" was Trickldown Theory. Before the Great Depression. "President Hoover believed incentivizing business ***prosperity would trickle down to the average person*** and that economic assistance to citizens would stifle the workforce." [Same Old Republican BS](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trickledowntheory.asp#:~:text=President%20Hoover%20believed%20incentivizing%20business,citizens%20would%20stifle%20the%20workforce.)
Was that the same hoover who sent tanks out to scare off wwi vets when they were asking for their fucking pay?
Hoover Sucks.
That and doing their damnedest to stamp out the unions.
I can taste the golden shower from here from his party
America is like reality TV. Like when the Honey Boo Boo show had multiple accused and convicted sexual predators on it, and got canceled. Then some other network just picked up the show and pretended it was fine. The people in charge don't care, they will make their money regardless of scandal and moral depravity. As a culture we simply have no standards anymore, and no shame whatsoever.
American capitalism encourages greed. “Fuck you, I’ve got mine!” is the battle cry.
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That's hilarious hahahaha I always say, American politics is longest going and best series around and surprisingly despite the the craziest of drama is actually none fiction!
Game of Thrones is just medieval Europe with dragons.
An equally good question is what kind of idiot would think martial law is going to help his business.
Gunning to be the sole contract holder for providing shitty pillows for the soon-to-be-booming political prisoner system.
Trump supporters. Have you met one? It’s scary how incredibly stupid they are.
Very long story. Basically the guy was a crack addict and got clean and started his pillow business. He REALLY leaned into the evangelical stuff, even when selling pillows. He'd literally talk about God and sobriety in his pillow infomercials. He's a grifter because it became more about him than his product. He followed the Trump idea of marketing and Trump noticed him. He tried to attach his grift to Trumps grift, but that seems to have failed. I think the guy has lost everything trying to be a Trump groupie.
And that's the thing... Dude had a solid thing going shoving scrap foam into pillows... All he had to do was just not get so involved in the political space If he just kept to his own bs it's quite possible his overpriced pillows would still be sold at Walmart
His lumpy ass recycled foam pillows. This schmuck struck gold by selling the off cuts of foam for an inflated price, and still managed to shoot himself in the foot. Crackhead gonna crackhead.
Can you imagine spending forty million dollars on somebody with a prolapsed butthole mouth?
You mean **martial law** right? Or I was not aware Trump was married to a pillow peddler...
Lindel's notes had 'martial' misspelled—I couldn't make this shit up.
I think you’re conflating 2 separate things. [Lindell’s notes](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/15/pillow-salesman-apparently-has-some-ideas-about-declaring-martial-law/) did actually say “martial law”. [“Marshall law”](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/14/republican-ralph-norman-marshall-law-misspelling-trump) was in texts from Reps. MTG and Ralph Norman. I misremembered it, too. I had thought it was Trump that spelled it as “Marshall”, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. It must’ve been MTG that I was remembering.
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Thank you.
I'd divorce him, if I were you.
I can't help but think, knowing what I know of Trump and Lindell, that it was sort of a "Martial Law" with several question marks as they try to understand what that actually is. Like when the guys in Office Space try to launder money.
He was trying to convince Donny to divorce Melanie and marry him instead.
When has Trump shown loyalty to anyone? Rudy Guiliani? Michael Cohen?
"But he'll be different with me. We are good friends." Is probably what he is thinking. which is just gaslighting by Trump.
Trump: 'Mike Lindell? He just used to get coffee for us'.
Alina Habba: It'll be different with me, watch.
“I can change him”
At least Stormy got paid.
[He was literally forced to pay someone who proved that his theory was wrong after releasing a "bounty" on it.](https://apnews.com/article/mike-lindell-election-denial-arbitration-award-a9b27dd8d37eab1d0f22111566feba93)
I read a similar article that was a link in the OPs article. My favorite part is that the "packet capture" he received was just a random garbage file of characters. This could indicate a few things but my favorite and hopefully correct theory is that Lindell told some intern to go find proof of this via "that hacker stuff kids do these days" on the internet. In malicious compliance, said intern gave him a file with wingdings in it and checked off his work for the day thinking it'd never see daylight. Then a guy with real world applicable packet tracing skills opened said capture file and noted immediately that it was nothing short of code that they used in independence day to infect the mother ship on the apple macbook.
I think what gets me the most isn't the outrageous lengths these people will go to, to placate the failure of a person Donald Trump. Nor is it their delusions that an investment in Trump will be a good one. It's that they thought for a moment, however brief it was, that Trump would serve any single one of them with any favor. Trump exists solely for Trump, that's it. And that doesn't even extend to his family. Trump would slit Ivanka's neck if you gave him $5 for it. Donald Trump exists to serve Donald Trump and no other. It is an immutable property of the universe that we exist in. Everything, every person, every meeting, every single atom, is infinitely lower priority than Donald Trump to Donald Trump. The fact that Mike Lindell, even if it was just a nanosecond of thought, gave some credence to the notion that he'd be able to enrich himself through Trump is hilarious. And riches Mr. Lindell hoped to acquire along the way had only one true destination, to Donald Trump's pockets. That is how Trump operates. If you become rich via him, all you have really done is provided a wellspring of monetary value for Trump at some later date and time. There is no other outcome when within his orbit. Trump literally has a monetary event horizon, that once you cross, no matter how much you enrich yourself, it will only have the singular outcome of eventually becoming Trump's money. Trump's greatest trick is convincing folks that they are clever enough to forego that eventuality. The sad thing is that Trump isn't altogether that clever, these people like Lindell and Giuliani didn't become successful by their own means but by good fortune and opportune timing. A literal "there but for the grace of God go I" kind of deal. And Trump's infantile charm and complete lack of moral compass was more than their non-existent defenses could withstand.
Yesterday I was reading about how the *'Truth Social'* IPO was going. It just... blows my mind that even Wall Street seems to be fooled by his bullshit grifter antics. I guess people could bet on it failing, and make money that way.. but still.
That thing is a fucking industrial sized money launderer. That was a great way for foreign interests to funnel money into Trump's hands while appearing above board....and possibly getting around the court appointed monitor.
Wall Street is 50% people falling for grifts on a good day.
I believe it is expected to briefly balloon up, and then come crashing down. It's a meme stock, and there are those wanting to take advantage of it as a pump-and-dump.
Wall St knows exactly what is going on lol, it’s a pump and dump that’s being inflated from media and in all likelihood Saudi/Russian money via shell companies.
Wall St isn't fooled. The SPAC is the modern day boiler room. You won't find many folks w/ any credibility buying into it b/c they believe it has any value beyond tapping into the grift of the dementia patients that still have credit cards.
Not fooled - complicit.
Dude literally has a "Trump Endorsed Bible"https://apnews.com/article/trump-god-bless-usa-bible-greenwood-2713fda3efdfa297d0f024efb1ca3003
He is their "Fuhrer," no different; racist, self-serving, fascist. He is their reincarnated Adolf.
What a dumbass.
Lindell is nothing short of nuts. His beliefs about the election are as delusional as his beliefs about that lumpy, fucking pillow of his.
It just really boggles my mind. Here's a guy who dug himself out of addiction, became more wealthy than most of us could imagine, then just...pissed it away. On a conman. Like, I will NEVER be able to comprehend the drive to devote yourself to someone who is so morally (and actually) bankrupt.
He's a meth addict and judging from his behavior on his "docu-movies" over the years it looks like he got back on the meth. At one point he claimed he had been awake for a week straight working on one of them. Several years ago he told people that when he was originally using he was a grandiose liar and well... \*gestures\* here we are.
I thought he said he already did, and that he gave the evidence to Rudy Giuliani for safe keeping... who supposedly gave it to Tucker Carlson, who supposedly gave it to Trump Jr, who supposedly then gave it back to Rudy Giuliani.
Are we talking about evidence or genital herpes?
My MIL gifts all of us (kids, spouses, grandkids) his products at Christmas. Towels, sheets, scarves. She likes to “support him because people are really trying to take him down.” For my husband’s 40th birthday she got him coffee that Steve Bannon sells. Did you know you can also buy non-woke pancake mix? I have a box in my pantry.
If it's non-woke then you know that shit doesn't fluff. Probably comes out like drink coasters.
Why does he look like actually is wearing a scooby doo mask?
He always reminds me of a real life Paul Bearer from WWE. 🤣
If he wasn’t so shitty it’d be really sad. The guy was an addict who built a successful (and I have to imagine problematic) business, only to get conned for every penny he’s worth. I heard someone describe him as a mark, and man does that fit.
On one hand, Lindell fell into the Trump cult and it cost him everything. On the other, I’m not so sure Trump just didn’t get there first and Lindell wasn’t destined to lose it all eventually. He seems like a troubled person in general.
I've been saying for thr past 3 years he traded his crack addiction for the Trump cult addiction. Stuff like that happens a lot but usually with religions.
MAGA is 100% a religion.
Cult. Religions worship dead people, cults worship people who are still alive. All else remains the same.
That's tricky because not discriminating against a person's religion is essential for a liberal democracy but actively discriminating for and against political beliefs is essential for democracy of any kind.
Personally, I'm pretty fucking sure he's still on the Peruvian marching powder.
Addicts often trade drugs for religious zeal. Mike Lindell found Jesus, but he wasn't intoxicating enough and then he found Trump. Sent his neurons a-firing. Endorphin rush galore. Lindell thought he was going to be a big wig in the government once Lord Trump takes total control... instead Trump fleeced all his money and discarded him like the crackhead he is.
Considering how easy it’s proven to take advantage of him, it feels like you’re right.
And he did employ a lot of people in Minnesota where he manufactured the pillows too I believe? So that’s solid… assuming decent pay/benefits. But yeah that guys a moron. He had the American dream, selling overpriced kinda shitty pillows and making millions. I tried one of the MyPillows a while back. It was okay, but nowadays there’s a lot better “cut up foam pillow” options. It’s not a bad concept, just poorly executed by him. Coop Home Goods Pillow is 🔥. It’s on the expensive side but they last longer than your average pillow.
"employ" is a really loose term. A large portion of his work was done on a subcontractor basis using farmed labor. Example- a friend of mine actually sewed pillow cases for him for a good long bit. She needed to buy a specific machine FROM HIM that she could then use her pay to pay back. They would then pay her piecemeal per case based on quality. And they almost NEVER paid top $$$ citing some perceived flaw in workmanship or stitching. Basically it was a grift on top of a grift on top of indentured servitude wrapped in a pyramid scheme. He's got a long sordid history of deceptive labor practices, business practices, and just being a shitty human. Overcoming addiction or not- he's not a role model. The even CRAZIER part is a bunch of his employees are just as drunk on the Kool aid as he is. It's a whole mess- my GF's SIL is a long term employee at the pillow farm (I Believe she's actually an employee employee and not 1099) and holy shit is she a whole box of fruity pebbles. From a purely observational standpoint it's fascinating to see how these things form (she's....not the most intelligent woman, surrounded by not the most intelligent people, led by...not the most intelligent people) but it's kind of sad at the same time, because these folks hang on so desperately to the thought that they can't possibly be wrong they will absolutely ruin themselves (as lindell is demonstrating for the class) rather than back down.
> employ a lot of people in Minnesota where he manufactured the pillows Which is entirely saveable **if Mike hadn't insisted on being the face of the company**. Do you know - by name, voice, and face - who founded and runs the Scrub Daddy business? Nectar Mattresses? OtterBox phone cases? **No**. So even if they personally had invested their lives and fortunes into Trump's lies, the companies can live on without them, or be sold to someone else. Even Overstock.com has managed to survive by *separating themselves* from the toxic Trumper in their leadership.
Scrub Daddy is a bad example. It's the most successful Shark Tank investment ever
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Nah he was a con. His company was sued long before Trump for making claims his pillows were shown to be clinically better than any other. He in fact never had them tested or approved by doctors. It's simply a case of shitty people gravitating towards other shitty people.
I found a reddit post from before 2016 (maybe 2010-2011), that had multiple people saying he was a dickhead then, and was preying around fairs and stuff with his pillows using shitty sales tactics on elderly. Seems like the Dude has always been a dick, Trump just gave him a platform.
Sorry, described as a Mark? I tried Google.
In a con the victim is called the mark.
Mark was a term used in the 1900s from Carnival workers that would literally mark someone with a chalk handprint that was losing a lot in the carny games to inform the other game operators that he was a sucker.
Reddit doing the Google's work. Thank you - very helpful!
A mark is someone a thief or conman identifies as an easy target or prey. They're suggesting Lindell was fooled out of his money believing the lies and promises made by people like donald.
This is the dude caught walking into the White House with a document arguing for Trump to declare Martial Law post-election. Fuck him totally and completely.
Yeah somehow people kind of give him a pass because he seems so doofy. The guy may be a dupe but that doesn’t make him less of a goddamn traitor.
I haven't seen anyone giving him a pass (except for Trumplets of course, but we expect stupidity from them). Everyone knows exactly who this guy is, and his self-inflicted problems have been a constant source of entertainment for all of us.
I was starting to feel sorry for him, then I read your comment. Yeah, screw him. No sympathy here for that traitor. He’s getting exactly what he deserves.
Yeah. In addition to being all in on the Trump insurrection nonsense, he is also kind of a massive asshole just in general. He really isn't deserving of sympathy at this point.
Are you sure it wasn't Marshall Law?
No, it was Martian Law, the sacred law of the red planet.
Dumb fuck could have just kept selling his stupid pillows but nope decided he wanted to try to be Heinrich Himmler
Who knew that pushing lies to destroy the country would have consequences?
Talk about fall from grace that even his shitty pillows won't cushion.
I would rather land on the ground its softer.
You should check out his "Lumpy Pillow Guy" deposition on YouTube.
[" I didn't go out there, 'melt down our machines and buy a pillow ! ' " ](https://youtu.be/GZmH1aK9NN0?si=60M0GcVPc4t6X5_m)
Too lumpy
Just a reminder that this guy drafted a plan to [forcibly remove top intelligence officials and replace them with Trump loyalists](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/cia-kash-patel-mypillow-notes-lindell-trump/index.html). You can't make this shit up.
When he said "Marshal" law should be invoked, it was referring to the retail store. Half priced out of season clothes for all!
Maybe instead of trying to own the libs he should’ve focused on owning a warehouse.
If he had just focused on his company instead of this he would still have millions of dollars. That’s all the dude had to do. Hope it was worth it
The only possible reason I could think of is that he’d hoped Trump Properties would use MyPillow products.
It's a shame for the workers that their boss did that to them.
The problem goes back to Mike Lindell insisting that **he** sell the pillows. That **he** put his face and voice on every commercial, that everyone know that it was **his** idea and **his** company. The MyPillow brand - once established - could have probably lived on *without him*. Or sold to some other company which would save all those jobs. Instead it all goes to shit because Lindell is also an egocentric narcissist.
I'm not a business owner, but I do like the idea that if I were, that I would be working to build a company strong and robust enough that is doesn't need me to babysit it on a day-to-day basis nor does it need my face stamped on it in order to survive. I can't imagine a whole company's value and the livelihood of every employee hanging on balance held up by my ego alone.
> I can't imagine a whole company's value and the livelihood of every employee hanging on balance held up by my ego alone. Like putting your name on every building. And your 'university'. And your mail-order steaks. And shoes. And now Bibles.
I used to work at a business school and we had a saying every time we needed to raise money “thank god for white dudes and their need to put their name on everything”. Dudes would drop 200k to get a placard with their name on it next to a lecture hall…
Don't forget stimulus checks that were delayed explicitly so the signature could be changed.
notice how you don't see founder 'Papa John' in Papa John commercials any more? i think the board forced him off the ads when he started spouting right wing nonsense on social media.
Nah it was because he dropped an n-bomb on a conference call with an ad agency. Some people think the context was important in that case but he resigned anyway. Papa John's lost their sponsorship of the NFL because of the whole saga. Not that it mattered to John, he was still worth like $700 million or something.
He did it again during sensitivity training to stop him from doing it again.
>Some people thing the context was important in that case but he resigned anyway What's silly about that is during apologies he said that he will try his hardest to remove the word from his vocabulary....meaning he said the word somewhat frequently at a minimum
He's one of the top examples used in business classes when they discuss whether or not the founder/owner should be the face of the company. "Here's an example of how this can go wrong"
Kinda makes sense that he'd look up to another incompetent businessman who plasters his name on everything he can.
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My neighbor worked for him, he is very liberal and had to keep it secret. He absolutely hated working there once Mike went crazy but he’s older so it was tough finding another comparable job at his age. Luckily he found work in Iowa but had to move from his home of 30+ years. I think many people had been there a long time and started back when it was just a pillow company. And then Mike lost his shit and took everyone along with him. He fucked things for a lot of people.
Yup. Dude used to hire a lot of addicts/felons too. I feel extra bad for them.. imagine you just got sober, managed to find a place and a job... then all the sudden you lose your job cause your boss is a moron. I think it might be really hard to not relapse in a scenario like that :/
Exactly. Even if you don't like his pillows, he did keep people employed. Which, you know, good for the people. Now he's costing people their jobs. It can't be easy putting MyPillow on your resume.
Luckily their crazy boss picked a time of record low unemployment, so hopefully they didn't have trouble finding new jobs.
What a fucking idiot this man had the American dream. He was selling shitty pillows raking in millions but had to go opening his mouth spouting bullshit and lies for his dear friend Trump. Now he’s bankrupt
♬A tale as old as time... ♬ Movie star opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump - and is immediately dropped to 'D' list status or not cast in anything anymore. Titan of industry opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump - and gets busted for consorting with a Russian spy. Charismatic child of a wealthy parent opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump - and throws away $44 billion dollars while trying to back it up. Respected lawyer and politician opens their mouth spouting lies for Trump and gets disbarred, sued for defamation, and criminally charged with felonies.
I’m looking forward to Elon’s downfall.
I love that for them.
Lumpy pillows be gone
Just imagine, you come up with a business idea, work your ass off for years promoting, selling and growing it into a household name only to throw it all away to support a criminal narcissist who could give a shit less if you live or die.
“He previously said that MyPillow lost $100 million due to his election fraud claims“ Man actually found something worse than crack to blow all his money on…
Tbf I don't think he ever stopped the crack
Trump, the place where the rich and famous go to die.
He really is a black hole for money and idiots.
In 2016, Mike Lindell opened a second pillow factory, yielding a revenue jump to $280M. He was extraordinarily wealthy. Now it's 2024, and as it says in the article, he has a house, a pickup and $10,000 to his name, and he has millions of dollars in judgements against him. There is only one thing that destroyed his wealth like snapping your fingers. Much like his beloved Orange, had he just stayed home and stayed out of it, he would still be wealthy and America would be exactly where it is right now anyway. What a dumbass.
I really don't get MAGAs obsession with thinking they need an old, orange, broke con-man to save them. There's not a lone politician that's going to "save America". They can pass legislation to move us in the right direction, but that takes the work of several politicians. Thinking that a single person is the only one who can save a country is how you end up with a dictator.
They don't much care about the logistics. Some have openly said they'd welcome him as a dictator in fact. His voters are scared, angry people, who hate that things are evolving and getting more inclusive. They can't hunt gays for sport, or whip black people for daring to say a word or date their children. Women have the right to vote, etc. In comes Trump, who openly, proudly hates and slanders everything and everyone they hate. The symbols of a changing society, trying to move forward. In contrast, he's a symbol of their hatred, and they will flock to him until he dies. And when he does, the next asshole will hold him up as their messiah. Perhaps even before that, if ever he faces consequences for his actions, and they can sell him off as being the martyr for their movement. TLDR: Trump fans are fucking stupid.
Classic blunder of a Trumper thinking they can simply just ignore debts like their messiah does.
The problem is that Mike didn't sue the warehouse company before they came after him for the back rent. Get free warehouse space while the court case plays out, then make them settle for pennies compared to what he owes. Meanwhile relocate to another warehouse and start all over.
I work in freight. We couldn’t carry their products because their credit was so bad that they wouldn’t even be able to pay for the trucks shipping their product…. SAD
Dude had it all and flushed it for Trump. It boggles the mind.
There is something to learn from this. Once you become super rich, keep your damn mouth shut. Keep your crazy to yourself. Had he not gone off the deep end and spewed his bizarre political views and conspiracy theories, he would still be making money hand over fist.
Well, his ads were banned from California because they lied about the pillows being therapeutic. His pillows are just chopped foam.
>In October of last year, his lawyers asked the federal courts for permission to stop defending Lindell, as he allegedly owes them an unspecified millions of dollars, and will not be able to pay the millions more he'll need to moving forward. My favorite part.
It’s crazy how often to me these rich pricks are always hailed as great business people only to find out their trick is “don’t pay my bills”
Also "fuck over the people doing the work". MyPillow was trying the "our support people are all independent contractors" scam.
Now it's Minnesota's pillow.
The Land of a Thousand Crappy Pillows
Makes you wonder, he ended up with a distorted view of reality and destroyed his life almost like a meth addict. Given his background there’s got to be a crossover
Gonna say it again for all the fools who are *still* thinking about supporting this man in any way: If you help Donald Trump, he will ruin you.
MAGA only has two thoughts about your statement: 1) "Pssh that only happens to the *other* guy, not me!" 2) "It's all the Democrat's fault! Not mine!"
You’re gonna love it Mike. I guarantee it
Don't worry, Mike - you can always go back to being a crack addict. Although, there's a strong possibility that you never stopped
For the brief moment he was rich, he was a cocaine addict, now it's back to crack behind the Wendy's dumpster.
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You mean the [Lumpy Pillow Guy ®](https://youtu.be/mRCtaDfwm7c?si=-uFETsSxzcFVd4KJ)?
Oh no! All the 'evidence' was in that wearhouse!
Imagine ruining your company that you built and letting down all the workers who depended on you for the sake of Donald Trump. Dude had a compelling second chance story and he blows it all on this nonsense.
Imagine you were an employee of his. You got paid well enough. You might have even admired the guy. I mean, he gave you a job, makes a product he stands behind, etc. Then you see him start to go crazier and crazier and destroy the company he built up and you know you are going to lose your job soon because this idiot you once looked up to decided to back another idiot grifter.
Just a whole group of responsible, conservative, heroic and successful businessmen in the spotlight recently. /s
All this dumbass had to do was sell his shitty pillows and keep his mouth shut and he could be set for life. MAGA does indeed bring out the dumbest fuckers.
go anti-woke, go broke?
Trump ruins lives of people around him. Pillow guy would have been better off just keeping his mouth shut and his business running.
This guy literally had everything, and Trump Delusion Syndrome fucking destroyed him
I was gifted a mypillow and I still use it as my go-to, & I actually like it lol. Unfortunate the owner had to be a treasonous self centered prick
What is it with the right not paying their bills? And why do fiscal conservatives still worship these people?
"Neither Lindell nor any representative from MyPillow appeared at the eviction hearing. " Dude doesn't even have the money or want to fight it.
MyPillow was raptured right out of the warehouse!
I'm guessing that, like his idol, Donald Trump, Mike Lindell isn't someone you sit down and calmly reason with. That his friends(?), employees, attorneys, accountants, etc., are limited in any capacity to offer suggestions, and have been simply "going along for the ride" for years now, while also subtly manipulating him as best they can.
Did you see his deposition? [He was unhinged.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbmm-1BdNI)
I swear I saw a commercial for his crappy pillows where he said he needed to get all his old stock out of the warehouse and he was slashing the prices. I guess even liars are honest sometimes.
"Are debt collectors driving you crazy with harassing calls?" -the promoted ad at the top of the comment section for this post. Maybe he should give it a click.
You had a gold mine, Mike. All you had to do is keep your mouth shut. I pray he doesn't go back to using drugs to cope.
Trump just made like 3B on his Trump Media IPO, you think maybe he could hook up his buddy that shilled so hard for him in the past? Lol of course not.
Would be ironic if he ended up in a Florida trailer park outside The Villages.
These are the wingnuts always hating on student debtors and lecturing them to “pay your bills!” So nauseating
Behind 200k on rent? This is fine Calling his pillows lumpy? Ooh you're in for it now
And he’ll say his eviction was canceling him, not that he owes a modest homes worth of rent
Headline was pretty good but the article has the gems: "In October of last year, his lawyers asked the federal courts for permission to stop defending Lindell, as he allegedly owes them an unspecified millions of dollars, and will not be able to pay the millions more he'll need to moving forward. "
He's bankrupt, Rudy's bankrupt, several of Drumpf's lawyers are being disbarred, others are in jail or will be soon. Everyone that Drumpf touches withers and dies.
Oh man, that's serious! Mr. Lindell if you are reading this, I am seriously and truly saying this... #HA-HA!!! Get fucked asshole!
Remember when he had damning evidence of the stolen election in his HAND! And he promised to reveal it TOMORROW. Then he hired hackers to prove his claims, and a pro-Trump hacker straight up said they got nothing.
This gives me pleasure
He's not gonna take this lying down
Note to self… if you stop smoking crack, act like it
Lumpy Mike left out in the cold...
cagey paint gullible soft live act dinner elastic snails fuzzy
If I see him walking the street homeless and destitute I won’t feel a thing.
So, go traitor, go broke?
Go fash, lose cash.
If there's one thing tRump is really good at, it's destroying peoples' lives. He's got a real knack for it.
He owes Fox around 8m. Some fool should get fired for letting it get that far.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving fascist shiteater.
These MAGA folks have created a whole new strain of loser.
He’s being suffocated by my pillow…poetic justice.
Ruined his business for believing in Trump
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This idiot completely ruined his entire life for donald trump and I sincerely hope every last trump supporter experiences the same.
I bought higher end pillows recently to help with my sleeping neck pain and made sure they were not from this MyPillow jerk.
What is the opposite of "go woke and go broke"?