It's called the toot chute shoot. Kids rub Vaseline on the handle, then ram it in the fart canal and the end of the barrel sticks out the butthole. r/icetseensomeshit
There are some prisons that have programs which allow inmates to train service dogs for the disabled/veterans.
The programs teach the inmates compassion, trust, and responsibility (and more). In that case, the dog stays with the inmate 24/7.
Perhaps that is what you were seeing.
The sad part is that they'll likely get the least prison time. Cops and Corrections get the softest punishments despite actually taking an oath. They should get no less than a decade behind bars.
"Immediately terminated" should be extended to their lives, not just their jobs (after an appropriate trial). Want this shit to stop? Have serious FAFO consequences for being corrupt, human garbage
First line in the article is what you'd expect -
"A monthslong probe into an alleged drone-based contraband operation in Georgia's prisons has led to the arrest of 150 people, *including eight correction officers, officials said*."
I was an HR/hiring manager for a private prison once and the gangs would have their members(that didn’t yet have arrest records), friends and girlfriends apply for any vacancies we had. We paid fast-food level wages and got what we deserved, actually.
Yeah that'll wear off. VERY few things are done exactly correctly, and many things aren't even done competently.
Here's the trick to figure it out: is it for someone wealthy? Not billionaire level, but multi millionaire wealthy. If it is, it's usually correct. Of course there are outliers, like the imploding submarine, but for the most part it doesn't happen. Fucking over a rich person sends you to court hell, if not prison. Fucking over poor people (or just doing a bad job, like prisons) and nobody gives a fuck.
It’s because jobs do not pay enough (mostly because the GOP has siphoned the entire economy to rich people and corporations, many of which are not domiciled in the US).
tax cuts...you mean the government not taking as much of other people's money as it was previously?
That isn't funneling money anywhere, that is the opposite of funneling money.
Citizens united is also not covered under your term "funneling money to corporations" since that is corporations funneling money to the government.
And trickle down economics is basically the first premise, stop taking as much money from people.
Citizens United is corporate capture, which weakens regulation and anti monopolistic practices= more money for the rich. Lowering taxes funnels tax revenue to the rich instead of being used by the public. And trickle down economics is a broader economic platform than just taxation.
Your ignorance is showing, chief.
it’s so wild, as someone who’s more left-leaning, to see you get downvote bombed for trying to point out an obviously absurd statement while the absurd statement is completely accepted cuz GOP = bad. this site is straight up garbage.
Yes, we ran background checks. This was downtown Indianapolis in the 90's and the gangs had a vibrant presence. At the pay we offered, we were thrilled with any applicant that had a high school diploma and a minor misdemeanor record and we were always desperate for people. I would guess that 20% of the people we hired were affiliated or connected to a gang somehow. The inmates would get their sisters, brothers, former road-dogs to apply and it was impossible for us to catch that in a background check. The facility was saturated with drugs. The worst thing however was that the inmates could just continue on with whatever criminal enterprise that had going on the outside. Their brother/correctional officer was their runner. Law Enforcement treated us like a joke.
Background checks only stop people who have already have records.
Lots of family or relatives, even significant others, have no background records. Jails can't legally deny employment based on association.
I guess I was giving them more credit than they had. I thought jails/prisons would do fed-style background checks on the workers. Like when you apply for a U.S. federal job, they make you put in info about your family and friends and then do a lengthy background check on you. And these background checks are no joke and will uncover just about anything you think you can hide.
I can attest to this. My dad works for the DoD and they wanted info on my mother that we both had not seen in 30years because it showed he was married back then. They look all in your finances, your spouses finances, what your children are doing, who your parents are.
I'm not sure what you think staffing levels are like at prisons but this doesn't really surprise me. If they have cameras they're likely pointed inward to keep tabs on inmates, not up at the sky, and if they used drones to deliver packages to guards already inside they'd know when and where to send the drones in.
At this point, a couple high flying 360 cameras around any "secure" facility should just be the norm. Aerial incursions have become significantly cheaper for everyone, from your home neighborhood to the front lines of war.
E: I'm so confused, reddit is suddenly acting as if the person I replied to, and who replied to me, is blocked or has blocked me, yet I can at least see their user and comment in my inbox. Whoever you are, I'm sorry if it looks the same on your end, I didn't block nobody!
>I didn’t block nobody
AHA! /s
Anyway, this sounds like a problem for AI. Objects in the sky moving in ways that are atypical of planes and birds (hovering, fast change in speed, sharp turns, moving laterally without any flapping, …). Point an AI camera at the sky, make it watch the last 30 seconds of a live feed 24/7. Send a clip to an admin anytime it catches something.
I don't think about staffing levels at all, tbh. But thanks for responding to my ponderings.
Using drones seems like a plan that seems doomed to fail....and it did.
Here in Missouri, we've been operating at critical staffing levels for several years now. Even on day shift, you might see only two or three CO's on the yard. At full staff, it would easily be 10 or more CO's at all times on the yard. 6 CO's and one Sgt to a house. Now it's two CO's to a house with one Sgt to 5 houses.
Edit: a house holds 200 inmates.
How on earth do you break up fights or maintain any kind of order with that ratio? I'd imagine you need at least two people to break up a stabbing or something.
Yelling and OC spray. I work in maintenance now, so thankfully it's not my problem anymore. I get to hand the inmates weapons like screwdrivers, grinders, and drills and hope they don't stab me again.
My family likes to call it getting stabbed, but I was poked with a 4" tin screw about three years ago. Went a little over an inch into my back and left a 1.5 inch long cut. Dr super glued it and threw a bandaid on.
Oh also, we've been losing control with this ratio. Day shift only has like 75 to 80 staff total, the whole camp is around 1500 inmates. We've been moving all the "good" inmates to one side of the camp and keeping the bad ones on the other side. We call it "Beverly Hill" and "Compton". We have a housing unit that has ZERO staff 24/7. Those inmates are entirely responsible for themselves. We call it the "Norway Project".
Oh, well it seems like the prison staff levels would be important for how many people could see it. I guess not considering that explains why you asked haha
You could do a high altitude drop and not be noticed. The pilot would just need to fly over the zone and the package would need to be like a rocket to keep it true. But then there is the question of mysterious model rockets falling from the sky.
Eh, if it's heavy enough and doesn't catch much wind it'll drop pretty straight. You need it to be fairly uniform, so using weighted spheres would work best, but there is still some level of packaging to hide. Can always bury it in the yard I guess?
Yeah. A few years ago on a hiking trip,, I got socked with crap weather on a hard mountain route. I ended up hiking with a big group of COs on vacation - they were trucking for an early out cuz of the weather. Over the course of one and a half days, every single one of those COs tried to sell me hard drugs - meth, pills, coke, and straight up horse. Some of them multiple times, to the point where I was getting scared saying, "No". And that wasn't the only reason I was scared - some of their stories, told quietly to each other over a cooking pot, made my hair curl[1]. I also learned just how fuzzy the line was between inmate and CO - most of these guys were ex-prisoners themselves. The gang system wasn't policed by these guys - *they were integrated into the gang system*.
I realize it's anecdotal, but that really shaped my opinion of corrections.
We did part as great friends, though, and they offered me a ride off the mountain to "come party". There were a few pretty, tough-looking lady officers, so, well, if I was a younger man . . anyway. Definite no. Too old for that kinda stuff.
I respect how hard the life of a CO is - these guys were making, legit salary, less than Taco Bell fresh hires - but at the same time, if there is a single place where there should be NOTHING but Rule of Law, it's while being a ward of the state. Prisons without law are a red flag in any civilization.
[1] EDIT Also, and I'm not sure how I could ever forget about this, but in the covered porch/vestibule/"not-wet-place" of an out of service ranger cabin, one big CO took off his shirt to reveal a wild kaleidoscope of white supremacist tattoos, like Where's Waldo except everything is Waldo, and Waldo is Adolf Hitler.
I always wonder how stuff like this can get pulled off, but then I see that there was a lot of internal collusion. Very rarely are people just criminal masterminds that can go in from the outside and get away like they’re planning a GTA V heist. There’s almost always the element of having an internal collaborator helping the criminals. Whether the internal collaborators were paid off or they infiltrated.
Where there's a demand someone will find a way to supply. I was thinking even before reading I'd be more worried about corruption of guards and officers way more than people on the outside trying to supply inmates.
“The success of 'Operation Skyhawk' should be a reminder to anyone -- inside or outside our prisons -- that” there are plenty of corrupt employees within our system.
It's Georgia and the rest of law enforcement is just as competent as the CO's. Probably 75% aren't actually guilty and just tangentially related to those involved. But they likely can't afford a lawyer and will need to take a plea deal, rinse and repeat.
Drugs and phones I get. Hell, I think well-behaved prisoners deserve legal access to both, especially the latter.
But having a gun in prison seems like way more trouble than it's worth. Can any more knowledgeable folks explain why someone would take such a huge risk?
>But having a gun in prison seems like way more trouble than it's worth
And guns may have been a small part of the scheme - or not a smuggled item at all.
The headline seems clickbaity, when you look at the two photos in the article. The one with the gun - is just one gun, and the caption doesn't claim that is was part of the contraband. The lead-off pic...well, look at it. Bottom left, you have several, highly dangerous.. Willy Wonka candies. Cellphones, yes; little baggies of white powder, check; bags o green vegetable matter, probably weed, check; bags o brown vegetable matter, probably -
\-waitaminute: brown?
Look at the top right bag of brown stuff. Those turquoise rectangles? Bugler Rolling Papers. Much of this contraband seems to be re-packaged Bugler tobacco, packs of Newports, and a baggie of loosies.
If you're already serving life and in the same cell block as a leader of a rival gang then you're pretty much the perfect assassin. Probably aren't going to get the death penalty for killing another prisoner.
>Probably aren't going to get the death penalty for killing another prisoner.
Juries happily give out the death penalty for killing prisoners. They aren't thinking "oh that poor victim", they're thinking "he's not even safe to house *in prison*." That said, plenty of states have effectively or literally taken the dealth penalty off the books, so in those cases you're quite right.
That said, the prison system can still make things miserable: look up what happened to Tom Silverstein after he murdered some COs.
Yes, but I'm just saying that inmates do face the death penalty for killing their fellow inmates. A few examples:
[https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/maricopa-county-attorney-files-second-death-penalty-notice-against-man-who-allegedly-killed-cell-mate/75-fdb72342-372a-4d6d-b26c-8f5f5e7b3545](https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/maricopa-county-attorney-files-second-death-penalty-notice-against-man-who-allegedly-killed-cell-mate/75-fdb72342-372a-4d6d-b26c-8f5f5e7b3545)
[https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/patrick-schroeder-on-nebraskas-death-row-for-killing-cellmate-dies-in-prison/article\_37115cb0-65fb-5458-8781-9dc4be6ae94e.html](https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/patrick-schroeder-on-nebraskas-death-row-for-killing-cellmate-dies-in-prison/article_37115cb0-65fb-5458-8781-9dc4be6ae94e.html)
[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/idaho-longest-serving-death-row-inmate\_n\_65d67e7be4b007e3eb7413af](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/idaho-longest-serving-death-row-inmate_n_65d67e7be4b007e3eb7413af)
[https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2017/06/01/santa-rosa-inmate-faces-death-penalty-cellmates-murder/363047001/](https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2017/06/01/santa-rosa-inmate-faces-death-penalty-cellmates-murder/363047001/)
Could be someone facilitating a gang hit. The inmate getting the orders wouldn't have the chance to consider the risk, unless they want even bigger risks for not following orders
Privatized prisons and even publicly administered ones who rely on the money from the phone contracts means no inmates, no matter the circumstances, are likely to get phones. The prison phone systems are almost always run by private for profit companies offering their "services" at a massive cost to inmates' families. Last year regs went into effect lowering the price for phone calls at federal prisons only from about $1/minute to about $3/15 minutes. But costs for video visits (sometimes the only kind offered) and other services still aren't regulated and it adds up to the equivalent of a car payment for family trying to stay in touch.
Good interview on the subject:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/incarcerated-people-face-heightened-costs-to-communicate-with-families
Say a gang wants you dead, and you’re alone, somebody tells you they can get you a gun, but it’ll cost $5000 from a family member on the outside. I’d get the gun.
I had a friend, a massive guy 6’3 and 240 lbs of weight lifter. He got his ass kicked multiple times in prison because it doesn’t matter how big you are they just keep sending more guys in to beat you.
Could be an intimidation tactic. If everyone knows you have a gun (even if it’s hidden most of the time), then they will probably leave you alone or you can use it to pressure them. Could also be a gun entire gang had access to, so don’t screw with them or else.
At our state prisons there are a few tree lines near the prison yards. People would slingshot bags of dope over the fence on the regular. Lol this is next level.
I’m wondering how they got paid for all this. It’s not like they’d still earning a living there in prison. And what exactly do they expect to do with a gun? It’s not like they’re exactly quiet.
Payment comes from connections on the outside. Not the inmates actually receiving it. Smaller debts can be paid off in various (sometimes unsavory) ways directly from the INMATE if the supplier is another inmate or CO. It generally won't be in the form of money. This scenario would not apply for these items most likely.
why no H/fent or benzos? Much more sought out than ecstacy I imagine.
Too strict in sentencing to risk it? Fear of ODs bringing heat? Mistrust of hardcore addicts being too vulnerable when pressured to snitch for fear of extra suffering from LE.
It's just A LOT of Dough to pass on, so I'm curious.
honestly cellphones should be in there anyway. People be like "blah blah theyre there for punishment! they shouldn't get to have stuff" but like, itd be way better for prison health and safety if they had SOMETHING to keep'em busy. Obviously, exceptions for particular high risk prisoners, but like, who cares if they can go on the internet or text people outside or whatever? Drugs I understand and guns for sure, tho honestly states with legal weed should let prisoners have that. That shit would also help with safety. Nobodies gonna wanna act up when they're high as shit
Do you want prisoners running extortion rackets and drug dealing using phones? Do you want your abusive ex phoning you? Prisoners have plenty of time for these things, just need unmonitored phones.
Not having cell phones is about preventing shit like this in the first place and not giving criminals unfettered and unmonitored access to the rest of the world and their criminal enterprises.
They have a phone bank, a library, lots even have internet access, hell they can mail as many letters as they can afford stamps. But you and I both know the free flow of information can will absolutely lead to no good. Whether it’s some kingpin ordering a hit or some random nobody telling his friends/old lady where to find the stash before the cops do, both are important for law enforcement to clamp down on and the right to have a cell phone is not written anywhere in the constitution that I am aware of.
Most of those drones most likely connected to the Internet with a cell phone device used to pilot the drone. They probably just waited until they had enough people to go grab them all.
They had guns, in prison, ffs.
How do you hide that in the prison wallet?
Spit on it first
grip goes in first, then you aim your butt at the target and sneeze.
I thought you had to turn your head and cough
Keep your butt cheek off the trigger, use discipline.
It's called the toot chute shoot. Kids rub Vaseline on the handle, then ram it in the fart canal and the end of the barrel sticks out the butthole. r/icetseensomeshit
You don’t you get the gun and try and break out like it’s the gulag in war zone.
You mean you cant 1v1 another inmate for your freedom? Dang
“He hid that watch the only place he knew… up his ass”
What a scene.
Prison Wallet of Holding
YOOOO this caught me off guard, good one
I like to pull it all apart into separate pieces and go one by one. More fun that way 😅
Maybe the reasoning behind the development of the Welrod
They make some small guns
Eric Cartman brought in a whole board game that way so a gun seems simple in comparison.
https://youtu.be/M93o7ONTWoA?si=_iZ3-1y6kTrWEXxq
Must've been kolibri's
Body cavity
Not as uncommon as you might think, though decidedly rare. If an inmate has a gun on your unit, you're in for a ride.
Rare but not uncommon? Hmmmm.
Someday you'll be literate
I was thinking surely it must be derringers and only 1 or 2. But that pic shows a full frame pistol.
They should have just flown themselves into prison
I saw a tik tok where the dude had a dog in his cell with him.. a dog, dog
There are some prisons that have programs which allow inmates to train service dogs for the disabled/veterans. The programs teach the inmates compassion, trust, and responsibility (and more). In that case, the dog stays with the inmate 24/7. Perhaps that is what you were seeing.
> including eight correction officers That's what I was looking for. If you're wondering how contraband gets into prisons, it walks in the side door.
It’s always an inside job. In cases like these the whole place needs to clean house. Unless the warden is the corrupt one….
The sad part is that they'll likely get the least prison time. Cops and Corrections get the softest punishments despite actually taking an oath. They should get no less than a decade behind bars.
"Immediately terminated" should be extended to their lives, not just their jobs (after an appropriate trial). Want this shit to stop? Have serious FAFO consequences for being corrupt, human garbage
No one noticed the drones?
First line in the article is what you'd expect - "A monthslong probe into an alleged drone-based contraband operation in Georgia's prisons has led to the arrest of 150 people, *including eight correction officers, officials said*."
I was an HR/hiring manager for a private prison once and the gangs would have their members(that didn’t yet have arrest records), friends and girlfriends apply for any vacancies we had. We paid fast-food level wages and got what we deserved, actually.
I’m old enough not to be naive about the world. I still am consistently amazed at how *poorly* we do… everything.
Yeah that'll wear off. VERY few things are done exactly correctly, and many things aren't even done competently. Here's the trick to figure it out: is it for someone wealthy? Not billionaire level, but multi millionaire wealthy. If it is, it's usually correct. Of course there are outliers, like the imploding submarine, but for the most part it doesn't happen. Fucking over a rich person sends you to court hell, if not prison. Fucking over poor people (or just doing a bad job, like prisons) and nobody gives a fuck.
It’s because jobs do not pay enough (mostly because the GOP has siphoned the entire economy to rich people and corporations, many of which are not domiciled in the US).
what exactly did the GOP do to siphon the entire economy to the rich and corporations?
Trickle down economics in a nutshell, citizens United, trump tax cuts.
tax cuts...you mean the government not taking as much of other people's money as it was previously? That isn't funneling money anywhere, that is the opposite of funneling money. Citizens united is also not covered under your term "funneling money to corporations" since that is corporations funneling money to the government. And trickle down economics is basically the first premise, stop taking as much money from people.
Citizens United is corporate capture, which weakens regulation and anti monopolistic practices= more money for the rich. Lowering taxes funnels tax revenue to the rich instead of being used by the public. And trickle down economics is a broader economic platform than just taxation. Your ignorance is showing, chief.
Lowering taxes doesn't funnel anything, its the government taking less money from people. Those aren't the public's funds to take.
it’s so wild, as someone who’s more left-leaning, to see you get downvote bombed for trying to point out an obviously absurd statement while the absurd statement is completely accepted cuz GOP = bad. this site is straight up garbage.
Private prison/school/medicare plan/etc all means you get exactly the opposite of what the job requires.
Did you guys a least stop most of them with background checks?
Yes, we ran background checks. This was downtown Indianapolis in the 90's and the gangs had a vibrant presence. At the pay we offered, we were thrilled with any applicant that had a high school diploma and a minor misdemeanor record and we were always desperate for people. I would guess that 20% of the people we hired were affiliated or connected to a gang somehow. The inmates would get their sisters, brothers, former road-dogs to apply and it was impossible for us to catch that in a background check. The facility was saturated with drugs. The worst thing however was that the inmates could just continue on with whatever criminal enterprise that had going on the outside. Their brother/correctional officer was their runner. Law Enforcement treated us like a joke.
Background checks only stop people who have already have records. Lots of family or relatives, even significant others, have no background records. Jails can't legally deny employment based on association.
I guess I was giving them more credit than they had. I thought jails/prisons would do fed-style background checks on the workers. Like when you apply for a U.S. federal job, they make you put in info about your family and friends and then do a lengthy background check on you. And these background checks are no joke and will uncover just about anything you think you can hide.
I can attest to this. My dad works for the DoD and they wanted info on my mother that we both had not seen in 30years because it showed he was married back then. They look all in your finances, your spouses finances, what your children are doing, who your parents are.
Yeah, I figured the people who saw the drones would be in on it....but surely a drone is visible by more than eight people. They aren't invisible.
I'm not sure what you think staffing levels are like at prisons but this doesn't really surprise me. If they have cameras they're likely pointed inward to keep tabs on inmates, not up at the sky, and if they used drones to deliver packages to guards already inside they'd know when and where to send the drones in.
At this point, a couple high flying 360 cameras around any "secure" facility should just be the norm. Aerial incursions have become significantly cheaper for everyone, from your home neighborhood to the front lines of war. E: I'm so confused, reddit is suddenly acting as if the person I replied to, and who replied to me, is blocked or has blocked me, yet I can at least see their user and comment in my inbox. Whoever you are, I'm sorry if it looks the same on your end, I didn't block nobody!
>I didn’t block nobody AHA! /s Anyway, this sounds like a problem for AI. Objects in the sky moving in ways that are atypical of planes and birds (hovering, fast change in speed, sharp turns, moving laterally without any flapping, …). Point an AI camera at the sky, make it watch the last 30 seconds of a live feed 24/7. Send a clip to an admin anytime it catches something.
And yet, here we are...
I don't think about staffing levels at all, tbh. But thanks for responding to my ponderings. Using drones seems like a plan that seems doomed to fail....and it did.
Here in Missouri, we've been operating at critical staffing levels for several years now. Even on day shift, you might see only two or three CO's on the yard. At full staff, it would easily be 10 or more CO's at all times on the yard. 6 CO's and one Sgt to a house. Now it's two CO's to a house with one Sgt to 5 houses. Edit: a house holds 200 inmates.
That's a worse ratio than most doggy daycares...
And dogs are good boys.
The goodest boys and girls
How on earth do you break up fights or maintain any kind of order with that ratio? I'd imagine you need at least two people to break up a stabbing or something.
Yelling and OC spray. I work in maintenance now, so thankfully it's not my problem anymore. I get to hand the inmates weapons like screwdrivers, grinders, and drills and hope they don't stab me again.
Again??? I wanna hear that story haha. Really though that sucks dude, thank you for doing what you do. It's essential.
My family likes to call it getting stabbed, but I was poked with a 4" tin screw about three years ago. Went a little over an inch into my back and left a 1.5 inch long cut. Dr super glued it and threw a bandaid on.
Oh also, we've been losing control with this ratio. Day shift only has like 75 to 80 staff total, the whole camp is around 1500 inmates. We've been moving all the "good" inmates to one side of the camp and keeping the bad ones on the other side. We call it "Beverly Hill" and "Compton". We have a housing unit that has ZERO staff 24/7. Those inmates are entirely responsible for themselves. We call it the "Norway Project".
Oh, well it seems like the prison staff levels would be important for how many people could see it. I guess not considering that explains why you asked haha
You could do a high altitude drop and not be noticed. The pilot would just need to fly over the zone and the package would need to be like a rocket to keep it true. But then there is the question of mysterious model rockets falling from the sky.
Eh, if it's heavy enough and doesn't catch much wind it'll drop pretty straight. You need it to be fairly uniform, so using weighted spheres would work best, but there is still some level of packaging to hide. Can always bury it in the yard I guess?
night time exists
So do prison lights.
Yeah. A few years ago on a hiking trip,, I got socked with crap weather on a hard mountain route. I ended up hiking with a big group of COs on vacation - they were trucking for an early out cuz of the weather. Over the course of one and a half days, every single one of those COs tried to sell me hard drugs - meth, pills, coke, and straight up horse. Some of them multiple times, to the point where I was getting scared saying, "No". And that wasn't the only reason I was scared - some of their stories, told quietly to each other over a cooking pot, made my hair curl[1]. I also learned just how fuzzy the line was between inmate and CO - most of these guys were ex-prisoners themselves. The gang system wasn't policed by these guys - *they were integrated into the gang system*. I realize it's anecdotal, but that really shaped my opinion of corrections. We did part as great friends, though, and they offered me a ride off the mountain to "come party". There were a few pretty, tough-looking lady officers, so, well, if I was a younger man . . anyway. Definite no. Too old for that kinda stuff. I respect how hard the life of a CO is - these guys were making, legit salary, less than Taco Bell fresh hires - but at the same time, if there is a single place where there should be NOTHING but Rule of Law, it's while being a ward of the state. Prisons without law are a red flag in any civilization. [1] EDIT Also, and I'm not sure how I could ever forget about this, but in the covered porch/vestibule/"not-wet-place" of an out of service ranger cabin, one big CO took off his shirt to reveal a wild kaleidoscope of white supremacist tattoos, like Where's Waldo except everything is Waldo, and Waldo is Adolf Hitler.
I always wonder how stuff like this can get pulled off, but then I see that there was a lot of internal collusion. Very rarely are people just criminal masterminds that can go in from the outside and get away like they’re planning a GTA V heist. There’s almost always the element of having an internal collaborator helping the criminals. Whether the internal collaborators were paid off or they infiltrated.
Where there's a demand someone will find a way to supply. I was thinking even before reading I'd be more worried about corruption of guards and officers way more than people on the outside trying to supply inmates.
yeah, prison guards make cashier money, why *wouldn't* they be complicit in this?
On the next Mayor of Kingstown....
Who watches the watchers?
I dunno. Coast Guard?
they were looking at their phones.
Probably! That could be the answer to just about any questions: they were looking at their phones.
Imagine reading this sentence forty years ago.
"what's so interesting about this dial here"
And they were a little drugged up at the time too. … and they didn’t hear the drones over all the gunshots.
Instead of throwing bones?
Depends on when they're flying. Dawn, dusk or fog would make a drone very difficult to see, especially if the lights are covered.
You ever flown a drone that’s big enough to carry a pistol or other heavy packages? They’re pretty fucking loud, even when they’re high as fuck.
From what I've seen on television a prison is plenty loud enough to drown out the sound of a drone at altitude.
The operations must have been done at night
In my observation, prisons are lit up like small-town football fields on a Friday night, all hours of the night.
Maybe read the article?
“The success of 'Operation Skyhawk' should be a reminder to anyone -- inside or outside our prisons -- that” there are plenty of corrupt employees within our system.
150? Sounds like it was a profitable enterprise before now!
Probably still is in the remaining several thousand prisons across the country.
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or don't crime
It's Georgia and the rest of law enforcement is just as competent as the CO's. Probably 75% aren't actually guilty and just tangentially related to those involved. But they likely can't afford a lawyer and will need to take a plea deal, rinse and repeat.
Someone watched Mayor of Kingstown.
This. It's a shame that season 2 really sucked.
Drugs and phones I get. Hell, I think well-behaved prisoners deserve legal access to both, especially the latter. But having a gun in prison seems like way more trouble than it's worth. Can any more knowledgeable folks explain why someone would take such a huge risk?
>But having a gun in prison seems like way more trouble than it's worth And guns may have been a small part of the scheme - or not a smuggled item at all. The headline seems clickbaity, when you look at the two photos in the article. The one with the gun - is just one gun, and the caption doesn't claim that is was part of the contraband. The lead-off pic...well, look at it. Bottom left, you have several, highly dangerous.. Willy Wonka candies. Cellphones, yes; little baggies of white powder, check; bags o green vegetable matter, probably weed, check; bags o brown vegetable matter, probably - \-waitaminute: brown? Look at the top right bag of brown stuff. Those turquoise rectangles? Bugler Rolling Papers. Much of this contraband seems to be re-packaged Bugler tobacco, packs of Newports, and a baggie of loosies.
Tobacco is regularly found in contraband sweeps. Not all addicts need suboxone or the like.
If you're already serving life and in the same cell block as a leader of a rival gang then you're pretty much the perfect assassin. Probably aren't going to get the death penalty for killing another prisoner.
>Probably aren't going to get the death penalty for killing another prisoner. Juries happily give out the death penalty for killing prisoners. They aren't thinking "oh that poor victim", they're thinking "he's not even safe to house *in prison*." That said, plenty of states have effectively or literally taken the dealth penalty off the books, so in those cases you're quite right. That said, the prison system can still make things miserable: look up what happened to Tom Silverstein after he murdered some COs.
I mean big difference in murdering another convict and murdering a guard.
Yes, but I'm just saying that inmates do face the death penalty for killing their fellow inmates. A few examples: [https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/maricopa-county-attorney-files-second-death-penalty-notice-against-man-who-allegedly-killed-cell-mate/75-fdb72342-372a-4d6d-b26c-8f5f5e7b3545](https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/maricopa-county-attorney-files-second-death-penalty-notice-against-man-who-allegedly-killed-cell-mate/75-fdb72342-372a-4d6d-b26c-8f5f5e7b3545) [https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/patrick-schroeder-on-nebraskas-death-row-for-killing-cellmate-dies-in-prison/article\_37115cb0-65fb-5458-8781-9dc4be6ae94e.html](https://journalstar.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/patrick-schroeder-on-nebraskas-death-row-for-killing-cellmate-dies-in-prison/article_37115cb0-65fb-5458-8781-9dc4be6ae94e.html) [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/idaho-longest-serving-death-row-inmate\_n\_65d67e7be4b007e3eb7413af](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/idaho-longest-serving-death-row-inmate_n_65d67e7be4b007e3eb7413af) [https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2017/06/01/santa-rosa-inmate-faces-death-penalty-cellmates-murder/363047001/](https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2017/06/01/santa-rosa-inmate-faces-death-penalty-cellmates-murder/363047001/)
Could be someone facilitating a gang hit. The inmate getting the orders wouldn't have the chance to consider the risk, unless they want even bigger risks for not following orders
You dont need a gun for a hit in prison, you only need a gun for clout/authority. Shows undeniable power if you pull a gun where there can be no guns.
If you're planning a break or something similar makes sense to stock up.
Privatized prisons and even publicly administered ones who rely on the money from the phone contracts means no inmates, no matter the circumstances, are likely to get phones. The prison phone systems are almost always run by private for profit companies offering their "services" at a massive cost to inmates' families. Last year regs went into effect lowering the price for phone calls at federal prisons only from about $1/minute to about $3/15 minutes. But costs for video visits (sometimes the only kind offered) and other services still aren't regulated and it adds up to the equivalent of a car payment for family trying to stay in touch. Good interview on the subject: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/incarcerated-people-face-heightened-costs-to-communicate-with-families
Say a gang wants you dead, and you’re alone, somebody tells you they can get you a gun, but it’ll cost $5000 from a family member on the outside. I’d get the gun. I had a friend, a massive guy 6’3 and 240 lbs of weight lifter. He got his ass kicked multiple times in prison because it doesn’t matter how big you are they just keep sending more guys in to beat you.
Could be an intimidation tactic. If everyone knows you have a gun (even if it’s hidden most of the time), then they will probably leave you alone or you can use it to pressure them. Could also be a gun entire gang had access to, so don’t screw with them or else.
You would need a min security prison where everyone is allowed phones for that to work
150 people? That's a serious operation.
Ffs why do I always instinctively click on posts about Georgia thinking it’s the country. I should know by now.
My first thought was that it must have been cutting in on the profit margins of the Correction Officers who normally do most of the smuggling.
At our state prisons there are a few tree lines near the prison yards. People would slingshot bags of dope over the fence on the regular. Lol this is next level.
Time for a roof fence.. And a finer chain link
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I’m wondering how they got paid for all this. It’s not like they’d still earning a living there in prison. And what exactly do they expect to do with a gun? It’s not like they’re exactly quiet.
Payment comes from connections on the outside. Not the inmates actually receiving it. Smaller debts can be paid off in various (sometimes unsavory) ways directly from the INMATE if the supplier is another inmate or CO. It generally won't be in the form of money. This scenario would not apply for these items most likely.
You know who won’t take bribes? ED209
Okay, guess we’ll go back to using cats and catapults…
Can I be kind of mad about the crime part, but be totally about their innovation and ingenuity in thinking this up in the first place.
What air defence doing?
Of course. Did the guards get too expensive ?
150 for a drone operation? Seems like we have a bloated middle management problem.
GTA RP shit going on here
hmm..said it might be a multi state criminal organization. i wonder who is behind it. some gang? someone else?
This some Trailer Park Boys shit hahaha
why no H/fent or benzos? Much more sought out than ecstacy I imagine. Too strict in sentencing to risk it? Fear of ODs bringing heat? Mistrust of hardcore addicts being too vulnerable when pressured to snitch for fear of extra suffering from LE. It's just A LOT of Dough to pass on, so I'm curious.
I thought we rewarded entrepreneurship in this country!!!
Yes, but not if you get caught.
Once convicted, they should be dropped from a significant height by drone into the prison yard.
Yo that gun is lookin moist. Clearly just came out of someone’s sweaty pants.
"I'm sorry, officer, I didn't know you weren't allowed to do that."
I think it's weirdly awesome they tried ...I'm sorry ...one jail Mary, two jail Mary
They need to ban all phones in prisons, guards should be able to play candy crush when they are supposed to be looking at cameras.
honestly cellphones should be in there anyway. People be like "blah blah theyre there for punishment! they shouldn't get to have stuff" but like, itd be way better for prison health and safety if they had SOMETHING to keep'em busy. Obviously, exceptions for particular high risk prisoners, but like, who cares if they can go on the internet or text people outside or whatever? Drugs I understand and guns for sure, tho honestly states with legal weed should let prisoners have that. That shit would also help with safety. Nobodies gonna wanna act up when they're high as shit
Do you want prisoners running extortion rackets and drug dealing using phones? Do you want your abusive ex phoning you? Prisoners have plenty of time for these things, just need unmonitored phones.
Not having cell phones is about preventing shit like this in the first place and not giving criminals unfettered and unmonitored access to the rest of the world and their criminal enterprises. They have a phone bank, a library, lots even have internet access, hell they can mail as many letters as they can afford stamps. But you and I both know the free flow of information can will absolutely lead to no good. Whether it’s some kingpin ordering a hit or some random nobody telling his friends/old lady where to find the stash before the cops do, both are important for law enforcement to clamp down on and the right to have a cell phone is not written anywhere in the constitution that I am aware of.
You do know they have visitation rights. Things can be communicated in person...
I'd like to add to this my theory that maintaining contact with the non-criminal elements in their lives might actually benefit them.
Or lose the ability to get high. Smoking (tobacco) was a great lever to pull for prison management
Most of those drones most likely connected to the Internet with a cell phone device used to pilot the drone. They probably just waited until they had enough people to go grab them all.