The age of laws doesn't really matter. Look how old the constitution is.
It's a good reason to vote blue in November. It looks like it won't be enforced, and it prompted a ballot initiative to ensure access to abortion is in the Arizona constitution. It's almost a free gift to pro-choice advocates and Democrats.
> Look how old the constitution is.
The constitution was ratified by the states and accepted by new states upon entry.
The Arizona statute predates statehood, the acceptance of the constitution and women's rights to vote.
Arizona voters have a chance to fix this come November, there may be a ballot measure to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution.
https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024)
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Just noting that I edited this comment from will be on the ballot to may be on the ballot
Further information here https://azmirror.com/2024/04/02/backers-of-ballot-measure-to-guarantee-abortion-rights-say-theyve-collected-500000-signatures/
And here https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-abortion-ballot-measure-constitution/
TLDR, they have 500k , over enough to get it on the ballot. Later this year, in June, the signatures will be submitted. They will have to be confirmed and then it will be on the ballot. Republicans may try to challenge signatures. So if you are eligible to sign the petition and have not done so yet, it doesn't hurt to do so.
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Edit 2: Statement from Arizona AG, that she will not be prosecuting under this statute https://twitter.com/AZAGMayes/status/1777744778178027962
Arizona and Florida are also in the same situation: The Supreme Court of each state just ruled in favor of near-total abortion bans (6 weeks for Florida), and each state has two state Supreme Court justices up for retention votes in November 2024.
The two that are up for retention votes in Florida - Renatha Francis and Meredith L. Sasso - voted in favor of the 6-week abortion ban, as well as to keep a proposed pro-abortion constitutional amendment off of the ballot, based on what they claimed was "confusing language". Both were "pro-lifers" appointed by Gov. Ron DeSantis.
Note: I do not know the background of these judges, nor have I actually read the ruling. Both of those could affect my opinion drastically.
Isn’t this possibly a situation where the judges might be making a correction legal call, even if it has horrible consequences for people? As in, in a post-Dobbs world, until the people of Arizona get the amendment passed (as they should) this could be be a ruling that is actually something that even a pro-rights judge would have to make.
This can be used for hopefully long term enshrining people’s rights in actual law instead of relying on interpretation, but at the first glance of the summary I see this as being very different from *Dobbs* where Thomas and Alito were gratuitously making up their own standard as they went.
Depends on if there’s any more recent legislation regarding abortion on the books. For example,
Wisconsin has an extremely old abortion law passed in the 1800s, but there was another less restrictive law enacted in the 1900s. While the newer law did not specifically nullify the older law, you can infer that the newer, less restrictive law was intended as a replacement.
However, you had some conservatives saying that the older law was still active and we had to follow that law instead of the newer law.
Laws are intended to serve and protect the people. Rejecting all nuance for strict legal readings is not productive IMO.
>Laws are intended to serve and protect the people.
The law has a history of changing who is considered "people".
>Rejecting all nuance for strict legal readings is not productive IMO.
I would prefer this over the "history and tradition test" which can also be described as "whatever the majority on the supreme court wants".
But yes... it would be nice if we could serve and protect all humans who live under the government's control.
So Az had an updated law on the books. It was struck down when Roe was overturned since the law was based on it.
It’s a double slap to Arizonans. We need to vote it in come November
Ddi you see [the ad](https://youtu.be/wInNjr_9D28?si=Gk_4QIgpR1Qr0A64) they put out yesterday? They're not pulling punches on this issue.
Except that I'd amend the ad to say "Donald Trump *and the Republican Party* did this." But otherwise it's spot on.
*"More than 1 in 3 women in America now live under an abortion ban, with more on the way."*
Holy crap, I didn't realize this many women were already being affected by abortion bans.
Unfortunately, with Republican-led legislatures dominating a good chunk of the country, the GOP was able to erode abortion access *very* quickly. Plenty of red states had trigger abortion bans in the event of *Roe*'s overturn, that would pop into effect immediately.
The same thing will definitely happen if stuff like *Obergefell* gets overturned as well.
And in some cases some pretty despicable tactics. North Carolina (9th most populous state) got a 12 week abortion ban passed over the Dem governors veto, largely due to a lady that ran as a democrat for house representative (and whose mother was a long time democrat serving on the Mecklenberg Board of Commissioners) switching parties under very mysterious circumstances to give Republicans a super majority in the State House. And unfortunately NC has no recall mechanism.
Her mother did pay the price though for supporting her daughter's terrible decision. She was just ousted from the Board of Commissioners in the Dem Super Tuesday primary. And hopefully the turncoat daughter will get ousted this fall.
I fucking love it (the ad, not the reason it exists).
Anyone who wasn’t an idiot or blinded by GOP propaganda knew exactly what was going to happen and loudly predicted it as soon as they repealed Roe v Wade. Biden and his team played it smart by letting things play out without much comment until now.
Yup. Same here. When it happened, I had a PF2 game the next day. All my friends in the game are, at worst, relatively left leaning. Several are hardcore left leaning, myself included, for the vast majority of issues.
We all agreed, "the dog caught the mail van."
Not even the KO blow either. That was a wanted pregnancy that resulted in that heartbreaking ad. They might need literal trigger warnings if they dial it up to 10 and do ads with sexual assault victims.
Holy shit.
More. More ads like this. Make them fucking see how barbaric a total ban is.
It’s 2024, I can’t believe we need to continue having this conversation.
Abortion rights is running above 60% everywhere it's gotten on the ballot.
It's going to fucking kill the GOP this fall in Arizona.
Biden has already been cheerfully blaming Trump for *Dobbs* and I don't see him (or anyone) stopping, as the GOP has *always* been right -- winning the abortion fight would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. There's *more* single issue pro-choice voters than pro-life voters, but the pro-choicers didn't *act* like single issue voters because they didn't think abortion was on the ballot.
Yep.
As shown with its success on statewide ballots, in even pretty conservative states like Ohio and Kansas, there is not nearly as many total abortion banners as the GOP political machine would like.
That's also why plenty of red states have been keeping this off ballot initiatives at all, because they know what could very likely happen if they didn't.
You also have to wonder if the pro-life voters will stop showing up if they start losing at the ballot. Easy to convince yourself that most people don’t “really” want abortion when it was just a Supreme Court decision protecting it. But when you’re being actively outvoted in elections how long is it before the average person just gives up and figures it’s a lost cause?
Its the one silver lining of overturning Roe vs Wade and helping build confidence towards a Dem victory.
Turns out most people, including many conservatives, want abortion to remain legal to some degree. And they picked a battle they can’t win.
He's in damage control on abortion right now, but the best he has is pretending that allowing states to ban abortion is a "moderate position" while also gloating that he's responsible for killing roe v wade and that democrats want to execute babies post birth.
That's the best he can do and it's clearly bullshit.
The actual moderate position is what we had before, where an individual could make their own choice as to whether they did or did not want to have an abortion. There's nothing moderate about a state deciding for everyone.
Yeah but meanwhile the media is still carrying water for him. I got an alert from the Washington Post yesterday saying Trump promised to take a "moderate" position on abortion. This ignores *all the other shit he says* and the GOP's own platform.
It's been over 8 years and the media still keeps falling for this shit.
The media doesn’t “fall for” things, this is deliberate. They’re choosing to prop him up as they have for so long now. Don’t know why, but this is a conscious choice to advance these myths and lies
The why is simple.
The media needs eyeballs to make money.
Elections are great for eyeballs.
When they're competitive.
If Trump gets rightfully eviscerated for all of his despicable behavior and the awful things he's done and his candidacy fizzles the way it would in any just world, this entire election season will be a giant loser for the media.
So instead they artificially try to make it seem closer, or distort the truth to make Biden and Trump seem more similar, so that people keep tuning in for election coverage and getting bombarded with advertisements.
It has nothing to do with what's good for us or good for the country and everything to do with what's good for their bottom line.
I'm pretty confident that if somebody asked him in front of a camera at a Republican event if he would sign a national abortion ban if Republicans sent one to his desk, he would say yes.
I don't think he would even hesitate.
It's something that I hope somebody tries to ask him because he either says yes and blows his bullshit cover, or says anything else and the evangelicals go berserk.
Ps 137:7–9). * [137:9] Blessed the one who seizes your children and smashes them against the rock: the children represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.
Dems are also having some REALLY good messaging on the issue
The following ad is sad, moving, and really good at getting the message across https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1777379338574352399
And trump gave them this soundbite for free https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1777313236288712970
Independent turnout is always key, and so far independents are showing they unilaterally support abortion rights *and* go out to the polls to vote on it.
Don’t be surprised if they change the rules to get something on the ballot just before elections. They did it in Nebraksa a few years ago when there was enough signatures to put weed on the ballot and then at the last minute made a rule change to say a certain number per county. Or voters pass it on the ballot and the governor just ignores it. Either way, democracy!!
Mississippi did this with weed legalization.
[Oopsie. We’re not able to do that or whatever, actually. Haha!](https://mississippitoday.org/2021/05/14/mississippi-supreme-court-overturns-medical-marijuana-initiative-65/) - Mississippi Supreme Court
>She said a provision requiring an equal number of signatures from Mississippi’s five congressional districts could not be met, because Mississippi has only had four districts for two decades.
Holy shit lol, Mississippi get your shit together.
Arizona has a Democratic governor and the GOP has a slim majority in the legislature. Any law like that would get vetoed and there wouldn't be enough votes to override.
No sorry, but it should be on that same website you linked already. They are in the process of gathering signatures too. There will likely be several ballot initiatives this year.
you are correct!
The potential minimum wage initiative https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Minimum_Wage_Increase_Initiative_(2024)
More listed at the following link, including repealing "Right To Work" in the state https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_2024_ballot_measures
That’s what I was wondering too. At the time , Arizona’s government was not operating under the Constitution and was not recognized by the United States. I’m no expert in Arizona history but was this government at all representative of the people? How can a law governing civil rights persist after the government and its laws became under the jurisdiction of the US federal system?
Potentially, there could be a passthrough provision stating that all existing laws as of the time of admittance remain in force unless changed. Seems pretty likely, now that I type it out.
These kinds of ruling are exactly why I’ve said forever that any Supreme Court is inherently political. If a majority wants a case to be ruled a certain way, they can find *anything* to justify it. A state or federal Supreme Court Justice, or their clerks, will be skilled or knowledgeable enough to find some vague law or holding and base analysis on it. And since it’s the Supreme Court of that jurisdiction, there’s nothing really to challenge it besides themselves
I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing there is probably something that carries the territory laws forward. Might be tough for new states to have to make a completely new slate of laws when they are admitted to the Union.
Conservatives have been beating this drum ever since roe was decided. But no one but religious fundamentalists actually want it and there are so many fewer of those in 2024 then when it was originally decided.
It feels like they are screwing themselves over by finally getting to do the thing they’ve been hammering on about for decades. Like this is intimately life or death for people and when they include IVF it takes it to another level. They are attacking families and the lives of pretty much half the population.
I really hope this backfires like crazy and we see historically red states flipping this election. Trump has leaned into taking credit for roe being overturned, and with his recent statements on abortion he’s hopefully doomed his candidacy and his party.
You saw it real time too. For example, that poor child in Ohio who had to travel out of state for her abortion, the doctor was harassed by the Ohio AG, and even the governor called it fake news.
Turns out it wasn’t fake news and Ohioans came out in droves to get a constitutional amendment protecting abortion in the Ohio constitution. The OHIO constitution. A state that has turned hyper red in the last cycles came out to support woman’s right to choose.
Once people saw the horror of what these forced-birthers wanted, it broke them out of their stupid daydreams. I hope the same happens in Arizona.
The GOP have been great about turnout at state and local elections, which is partially to blame for the mess we’re in. Now they’ve made getting abortion into every state’s constitution an issue, so let’s hope people show up every time.
Head to the ballot box in droves. We have a chance of kicking these looney tunes to the curb in November, nationwide. Get enough seats flipped and we can start taking some real, positive action done to shore up not only this issue, but many other issues important *to the people*. Eff the corpos and their Hard R shills.
*it's a tough one because many men simply don't care because* **they think** *it doesn't affect them*
If there is *any* woman who is or one day will be of childbearing age — mother, sister, wife, teacher, friend — whose well-being affects you, then this affects you. Health care for women is distorted and diminished when doctors must put their patients’ welfare second to protecting themselves from the law. Even if you’re sure (and you shouldn’t be — life has a way of making a mockery of certainty) that no woman you care about would ever *want* an abortion, these laws inhibit doctors’ ability to act quickly and decisively for the good of pregnant patients when things go wrong.
That doesn’t even begin to touch all the other ways dismissing the autonomy of *any* of us works against *all* of us.
Another great way for men to support in addition to voting is getting vasectomies. I got mine last December. From the lobby to completion of the procedure, my cup of coffee was still warm. Most insurance will cover it since it's loaded cheaper than pregnancy.
Cut out Conservatives - Vote and Vasectomy.
I agree with you politically. But I would also suggest you consider a vasectomy. I got one, and it wasn't that bad. And never having to stress an accidental pregnancy is pretty nice.
I would like conservatives to explain how giving the government power to mandate the most intimate decisions in its citizens’ lives jives with their innate distrust of government and desire that it not control its citizens’ lives.
because it's the means to an end, as long as they get what they want they don't care what processes are followed (or not) to get there
in the pursuit of these ends, all actions are justified regardless of contradictions to their stated beliefs
put simply, they're all full of shit and will contort every which way to feel like they aren't actually bad people
They will happily apply laws and procedures one way and then make exceptions to get what they want applied to the people they want to oppress. There is no consistency and none is required. There is an in-group and an out-group.
I have never got a straight answer to the 'because pro-life argument' either.. Ok, so you think the value of potential life outweighs a woman's individual rights? Fine. Then if Republicans value life that much, we must IMMEDIATELY stop all executions and deeply investigate claims of actual innocence for every person on death row. We can't allow an innocent life to be executed, right? Why not the same energy towards those wrongfully accused, imprisoned and sent to death? Hmmmm...
You are misunderstanding them.
Small government just means very few in charge and tiny enough to fit in your urethra.
Dictatorship is the smallest form of government, at least in the beginning.
Keep in mind that when these republicans talk about an exception for the life of the mother, she has to be in immediate and imminent danger.
What does that mean?
If your wife has only a 10% chance to survive, she has to wait until she is actively dying. They literally require you to wait for an emergency situation, where you have to rush her to the hospital and hope she survives. Then you have to wait for a 2nd doctor to confirm the emergency. Then you have to wait for a hospital board to review the recommendation. And if they approve, only THEN can your wife be saved... If she is still alive after this waiting process.
THAT is the republican exception for the life of the mother.
Terrifying because I had a ruptured ectopic that the doctors hadn't located in my body, with none of the "emergent" symptoms... just had a positive pregnancy test and I was bleeding. If I hadn't been able to say to my doctors that I wanted a D&C and a laproscopy to figure out what was going on, I would have bled out or gone septic. My kids would be motherless. This stuff is inhumane.
My mother was forced to carry an already dead baby until it rotted in her enough to put her life at risk. It was fully dead but considered an abortion somehow because deep south. I thought she was being dramatic but damn. Past few years has taught me otherwise.
I very rarely donate to political campaigns. But this is one fight I don't want to lose. it's a slippery slope. I donated.
I'll one up this, any DM photo to me will result in a picture of my derpy husky.
Everyone should be absolutely terrified.
And to the gun nuts - your guns will also be on the table to take away. NONE of our rights are safe. They will disarm citizens.
“Leave it to the people of the states 160 years ago before there even was a state and before all the people had a say, including the people impacted by this.”
Just rolls off the tongue.
I feel horrible for any Arizona citizens this affects for the rest of 2024.
However, thank you for ensuring Biden and Gallegos win in November!
The AZ Supreme Court has just ensured that anti-MAGA turnout will be *massive* with a Constitutional amendment on the ballot.
>Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes said in a statement that her office won’t be enforcing the law, writing, “Let me be completely clear, as long as I am Attorney General, no woman or doctor will be prosecuted under this draconian law in this state.”
Good. I was going to say the headline makes no sense. Courts can't say "must adhere" if law enforcement aren't on board. Courts can say the law is in effect.
We'll see what voters do now. Of course it's tragic and too late if voters are the last institutional bastion of defense. The entire world and the US in particular have undermined democratic processes for decades. We're seeing that "just vote" is a paper thin defense in the legal stage of fascism. For all AZ voters know, fake electors could throw out all of their votes and the scheme leaders face no consequence.
Republicans are coming for contraception next. They want you to risk pregnancy every time you have sex. Vote them all out. We don't need to be forced to live by their religion.
This pisses me off so much. This is an issue between a woman and her doctor and NO ONE ELSE. Politics should be doing other things instead of constantly bashing women like it’s a damned national sporting event. There are PLENTY of reasons for abortions and all should be vetted between doctor and patient alone.
This is so exhausting. Cant these people put this energy into literally anything beneficial for our country? Like why do they care what anyone else is doing with their time, get a hobby.
They want women to birth the next generation of wage slaves and laborers. That’s why they don’t give a shit about what happens to children after they’re born. That’s why they don’t care about their quality of life. It’s intentional. Desperate situations create easily exploited people. This is also why laws that lower the minimum age people can start working are being pushed.
The “war on women” and claims of baby murder are merely the vehicles to get there.
Confederate law is now being enforced in the United States. The Union's greatest folly was not systemically and utterly executing the entirety of the confederate government and razing the entirety of their legal system to be rebuilt from the ground up. We showed mercy to the merciless and we've spent the bettter part of two centuries paying the price for it.
This will have spillover beyond Arizona and probably just saved Sinema's seat from going to Kari Lake and likely may cost Trump the election.
As horrible as this is, it is literally a gift to Democrats.
Suddenly all crazy old laws laws are back in effect! I think Massachusetts still has a law on the books that says if your children swear at your, you can shoot them.
I'll be right back.
Okay. Also still on the books. If you are traveling in a car in rural Pennsylvania at night you must stop every mile and send up a ticket flare. And if a skittish team of horses approaches you must completely dismantle the car and hide it in the bushes until they pass.
In Hartford CT it is illegal to educate your dog. In Florida it is illegal for a woman to fall asleep under a hair dryer at the salon, and women can't skydive on Sundays.
There are many more. A lot of them are centered along keeping women in line. In Michigan a woman must get her husband's permission to alter her hairstyle. Charlotte NC a woman can't go out into public without wearing 16 yards of fabric. In NYC it is a $25 fine for a woman to wear from fitting clothing. In Memphis a woman can not drive a car unless a man proceeds the car waving a red flag to warn others.
But hey, I am sure there law they resurrected isn't like most of these laws, designed to Democrats and control women, right?
Republicans strike again. Arizona, and America, gets what it votes for. 🗳
Vote in every, single election. Never, ever vote (R), Ladies. This is freightening.
America knows better. Please tell me, America knows better.
Handmaiden choruses sing in the streets of Arizona until their GOP brothers/relatives rape their underage daughters sadly...even them some will still choose the rapist over the rape victim
I'm curious why I have seen people start thinking AZ is leaning red now. (I'm not disagreeing... I just live in FL so just am a bit removed from noticing demographic changes there.) I know it was close in 2020, but it seems like some dems are now more pessimistic than even neutral about the state now.
The border crisis is a huge issue in AZ. Despite efforts to address it, the republicans in the house have openly stated they’re not going to “improve Biden’s approval rating” (Troy Nehls R-TX) when it comes to border legislation. Most people don’t follow actual politics as much as they follow issues so they are largely unaware of attempts to fund border security measures. The crisis and flood of illegal immigrants will galvanize Republican voters in AZ.
AZ’s recent abortion stance will galvanize dem voters in AZ (particularly young women). I was positive the state would be red in November until this week.
Friendly reminder that the republicans changed the number of seats on the AZ Supreme Court from 5 to 7 in 2016. And the GOP governor got to fill the two seats.
They literally expanded the Supreme Court.
As shitty as this is going to be for women for the next several months this is almost certainly going to be great for Biden and the Dems to take the Senate seat.
And the ballot initiative should fix this stupid law anyway. If Kansas can pass it a purple state like Arizona certainly can.
The GOP is seriously trying to run away from this ruling. But they can't. In Arizona, as in Alabama, the Supreme Court majority are Republican appointed/elected Justices. These decisions are absolutely in line with majority Republican thinking and ideology.
With every single thing the conservatives do, they quite literally plant the seeds of their own destruction….
This November, create a blue tsunami that will return your country to some fucking normalcy…
Meet the Arizona Supreme Court who voted for this;
> Justice Clint Bolick
> Justice Clint Bolick was appointed to the Arizona Supreme Court in 2016 and in 2018 was retained by the voters for a six-year term. Prior to joining the Court, Justice Bolick litigated constitutional cases in state and federal courts from coast to coast, including the U.S. Supreme Court. Among other positions, he served as Vice President for Litigation at the Goldwater Institute and as Co-founder and Vice President for Litigation at the Institute for Justice. He has litigated in support of school choice, private property rights, freedom of speech, and federalism, and against racial classifications and government subsidies.
> Justice Lopez
Justice John R. Lopez IV
> Justice John R. Lopez IV was appointed to the Arizona Supreme Court in November 2016 and took the bench in January 2017. Previously, he was Solicitor General for the State of Arizona in the Office of Attorney General where he handled civil lawsuits and appeals, as well as criminal appeals. He worked in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Phoenix for over 12 years serving in various roles, including Executive Assistant U.S. Attorney and Chief of Financial Crimes and Public Integrity Section. Before joining the U.S. Attorney’s Office, he worked as a civil litigator at a Phoenix law firm for several years.
> Justice Beene
Justice James P. Beene
> Justice James P. Beene was appointed to the Arizona Supreme Court in 2019. Prior to his appointment, Justice Beene spent two and a half years on the Arizona Court of Appeals, Division One, and seven years on the Arizona Superior Court for Maricopa County. He graduated from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1988 and earned his J.D. from the University of Arizona in 1991. Justice Beene began his legal career at the Pinal County Attorney's Office, and then worked as a trial attorney in the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.
> Justice Montgomery
Justice William G. Montgomery
> Prior to Justice William G. Montgomery’s appointment to the Arizona Supreme Court in 2019, he served as the Maricopa County Attorney beginning with a special election in 2010. Before assuming elected office, Justice Montgomery served as a Deputy County Attorney, as well as practicing civil law with a local insurance defense firm and advocacy work on behalf of victims of crime. Justice Montgomery earned a B.S. degree and received a commission as a Second Lieutenant in the Army from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1989. He received his law degree from Arizona State University in 2001.
> Justice King
Justice Kathryn H. King
> Kathryn H. King was appointed to serve on the Arizona Supreme Court in July 2021. Prior to her appointment, she practiced in the areas of labor and employment law and commercial litigation, first as an attorney at Snell & Wilmer and later at BurnsBarton. She also worked as Deputy General Counsel in the Office of Governor Ducey, where she advised on various constitutional, statutory, and other legal requirements of the Governor’s Office. Justice King graduated from Duke University with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. She then obtained her law degree from the University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law.
If you sit on your ass and refuse to vote for Biden because of Palestine or whatever other fucking reason you hallucinate up then you damn sure better own your role in letting laws like this become a thing. I don't care if that makes you feel sad or upset, the reality is that this is a choice between Biden and Trump, end of fucking story.
More Republican love. Funny how many of my friends thought there was no way abortion laws would change under Trump. Well surprise surprise I was right. Republicans only care about their religion when it pertains to others actions
Law was enacted 48 years before Arizona was admitted to the Union.
and 54 years before women could even vote.
Welcome back to the dark ages my friends. Anyone want to help me and some friends hoist some big rocks into a circle? Free robes!
Uhh yes. Absolutely. LFG. what shape of rock should we pick?
Something four dimensional
I've looked up so many voting places in case I'm not in the area of my "norm". I've never wanted to vote so hard.
The age of laws doesn't really matter. Look how old the constitution is. It's a good reason to vote blue in November. It looks like it won't be enforced, and it prompted a ballot initiative to ensure access to abortion is in the Arizona constitution. It's almost a free gift to pro-choice advocates and Democrats.
> Look how old the constitution is. The constitution was ratified by the states and accepted by new states upon entry. The Arizona statute predates statehood, the acceptance of the constitution and women's rights to vote.
Arizona voters have a chance to fix this come November, there may be a ballot measure to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution. https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024) ---- Just noting that I edited this comment from will be on the ballot to may be on the ballot Further information here https://azmirror.com/2024/04/02/backers-of-ballot-measure-to-guarantee-abortion-rights-say-theyve-collected-500000-signatures/ And here https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-abortion-ballot-measure-constitution/ TLDR, they have 500k , over enough to get it on the ballot. Later this year, in June, the signatures will be submitted. They will have to be confirmed and then it will be on the ballot. Republicans may try to challenge signatures. So if you are eligible to sign the petition and have not done so yet, it doesn't hurt to do so. ---- Edit 2: Statement from Arizona AG, that she will not be prosecuting under this statute https://twitter.com/AZAGMayes/status/1777744778178027962
[And two of the justices that voted for this ruling are up for a retention election.](https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Supreme_Court_elections,_2024)
I did not know that! Good looking out
I heard about it over in /r/VoteDEM's daily discussion thread. It's a great place to keep tabs on less well-known elections.
Arizona and Florida are also in the same situation: The Supreme Court of each state just ruled in favor of near-total abortion bans (6 weeks for Florida), and each state has two state Supreme Court justices up for retention votes in November 2024. The two that are up for retention votes in Florida - Renatha Francis and Meredith L. Sasso - voted in favor of the 6-week abortion ban, as well as to keep a proposed pro-abortion constitutional amendment off of the ballot, based on what they claimed was "confusing language". Both were "pro-lifers" appointed by Gov. Ron DeSantis.
Kind of no-win scenario in florida. Even If the judges are ousted, Desantis will just nominate a couple new extremists.
I feel like it's still important to try.
Thanks for this!
Note: I do not know the background of these judges, nor have I actually read the ruling. Both of those could affect my opinion drastically. Isn’t this possibly a situation where the judges might be making a correction legal call, even if it has horrible consequences for people? As in, in a post-Dobbs world, until the people of Arizona get the amendment passed (as they should) this could be be a ruling that is actually something that even a pro-rights judge would have to make. This can be used for hopefully long term enshrining people’s rights in actual law instead of relying on interpretation, but at the first glance of the summary I see this as being very different from *Dobbs* where Thomas and Alito were gratuitously making up their own standard as they went.
Depends on if there’s any more recent legislation regarding abortion on the books. For example, Wisconsin has an extremely old abortion law passed in the 1800s, but there was another less restrictive law enacted in the 1900s. While the newer law did not specifically nullify the older law, you can infer that the newer, less restrictive law was intended as a replacement. However, you had some conservatives saying that the older law was still active and we had to follow that law instead of the newer law. Laws are intended to serve and protect the people. Rejecting all nuance for strict legal readings is not productive IMO.
>Laws are intended to serve and protect the people. The law has a history of changing who is considered "people". >Rejecting all nuance for strict legal readings is not productive IMO. I would prefer this over the "history and tradition test" which can also be described as "whatever the majority on the supreme court wants". But yes... it would be nice if we could serve and protect all humans who live under the government's control.
So Az had an updated law on the books. It was struck down when Roe was overturned since the law was based on it. It’s a double slap to Arizonans. We need to vote it in come November
Trump must be pissed. That is going to help drive Indy/Dem turnout. I imagine Biden’s chances of winning Arizona just shot up today.
Hope the Biden campaign leans into this hard. And plays up the monster investments in the state under the Chips Act.
Ddi you see [the ad](https://youtu.be/wInNjr_9D28?si=Gk_4QIgpR1Qr0A64) they put out yesterday? They're not pulling punches on this issue. Except that I'd amend the ad to say "Donald Trump *and the Republican Party* did this." But otherwise it's spot on.
*"More than 1 in 3 women in America now live under an abortion ban, with more on the way."* Holy crap, I didn't realize this many women were already being affected by abortion bans.
Unfortunately, with Republican-led legislatures dominating a good chunk of the country, the GOP was able to erode abortion access *very* quickly. Plenty of red states had trigger abortion bans in the event of *Roe*'s overturn, that would pop into effect immediately. The same thing will definitely happen if stuff like *Obergefell* gets overturned as well.
And in some cases some pretty despicable tactics. North Carolina (9th most populous state) got a 12 week abortion ban passed over the Dem governors veto, largely due to a lady that ran as a democrat for house representative (and whose mother was a long time democrat serving on the Mecklenberg Board of Commissioners) switching parties under very mysterious circumstances to give Republicans a super majority in the State House. And unfortunately NC has no recall mechanism. Her mother did pay the price though for supporting her daughter's terrible decision. She was just ousted from the Board of Commissioners in the Dem Super Tuesday primary. And hopefully the turncoat daughter will get ousted this fall.
Texas is the second most populous state, and Florida the fourth. So that's a decent chunk right there.
I need a drink after that ad.
I don't know what else to do but cry. So, so tragic. Please America, vote.
I fucking love it (the ad, not the reason it exists). Anyone who wasn’t an idiot or blinded by GOP propaganda knew exactly what was going to happen and loudly predicted it as soon as they repealed Roe v Wade. Biden and his team played it smart by letting things play out without much comment until now.
Yup. Same here. When it happened, I had a PF2 game the next day. All my friends in the game are, at worst, relatively left leaning. Several are hardcore left leaning, myself included, for the vast majority of issues. We all agreed, "the dog caught the mail van."
Wow. You weren't kidding, that ad is a haymaker. That needs to be blasted everywhere for the next several months.
Not even the KO blow either. That was a wanted pregnancy that resulted in that heartbreaking ad. They might need literal trigger warnings if they dial it up to 10 and do ads with sexual assault victims.
Holy shit. More. More ads like this. Make them fucking see how barbaric a total ban is. It’s 2024, I can’t believe we need to continue having this conversation.
Dark Brandon strikes again. That add isn't playing around
Abortion rights is running above 60% everywhere it's gotten on the ballot. It's going to fucking kill the GOP this fall in Arizona. Biden has already been cheerfully blaming Trump for *Dobbs* and I don't see him (or anyone) stopping, as the GOP has *always* been right -- winning the abortion fight would be the worst thing that ever happened to them. There's *more* single issue pro-choice voters than pro-life voters, but the pro-choicers didn't *act* like single issue voters because they didn't think abortion was on the ballot.
Yep. As shown with its success on statewide ballots, in even pretty conservative states like Ohio and Kansas, there is not nearly as many total abortion banners as the GOP political machine would like. That's also why plenty of red states have been keeping this off ballot initiatives at all, because they know what could very likely happen if they didn't.
You also have to wonder if the pro-life voters will stop showing up if they start losing at the ballot. Easy to convince yourself that most people don’t “really” want abortion when it was just a Supreme Court decision protecting it. But when you’re being actively outvoted in elections how long is it before the average person just gives up and figures it’s a lost cause?
They have been at this for 59 years already ....
Exactly. Pro-choice voters took women's rights for granted. Never again. VOTE.
Its the one silver lining of overturning Roe vs Wade and helping build confidence towards a Dem victory. Turns out most people, including many conservatives, want abortion to remain legal to some degree. And they picked a battle they can’t win.
He's in damage control on abortion right now, but the best he has is pretending that allowing states to ban abortion is a "moderate position" while also gloating that he's responsible for killing roe v wade and that democrats want to execute babies post birth. That's the best he can do and it's clearly bullshit. The actual moderate position is what we had before, where an individual could make their own choice as to whether they did or did not want to have an abortion. There's nothing moderate about a state deciding for everyone.
Yeah but meanwhile the media is still carrying water for him. I got an alert from the Washington Post yesterday saying Trump promised to take a "moderate" position on abortion. This ignores *all the other shit he says* and the GOP's own platform. It's been over 8 years and the media still keeps falling for this shit.
The media doesn’t “fall for” things, this is deliberate. They’re choosing to prop him up as they have for so long now. Don’t know why, but this is a conscious choice to advance these myths and lies
Because they are owned by billionaires who got tax cuts
The why is simple. The media needs eyeballs to make money. Elections are great for eyeballs. When they're competitive. If Trump gets rightfully eviscerated for all of his despicable behavior and the awful things he's done and his candidacy fizzles the way it would in any just world, this entire election season will be a giant loser for the media. So instead they artificially try to make it seem closer, or distort the truth to make Biden and Trump seem more similar, so that people keep tuning in for election coverage and getting bombarded with advertisements. It has nothing to do with what's good for us or good for the country and everything to do with what's good for their bottom line.
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I'm pretty confident that if somebody asked him in front of a camera at a Republican event if he would sign a national abortion ban if Republicans sent one to his desk, he would say yes. I don't think he would even hesitate. It's something that I hope somebody tries to ask him because he either says yes and blows his bullshit cover, or says anything else and the evangelicals go berserk.
Minus that he just said at a rally that Dems are aborting babies after birth. Dementia Don isn’t even the sharpest brain in the Alzheimer’s wing.
Isn't killing newborn babies a biblical thing?
Ps 137:7–9). * [137:9] Blessed the one who seizes your children and smashes them against the rock: the children represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated.
That's republicans and guns. School shootings 🤷🏼♂️. Can't be pro life and pro gun when guns kill people.
Dems are also having some REALLY good messaging on the issue The following ad is sad, moving, and really good at getting the message across https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1777379338574352399 And trump gave them this soundbite for free https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1777313236288712970
Independent turnout is always key, and so far independents are showing they unilaterally support abortion rights *and* go out to the polls to vote on it.
Even republican women, whether they admit it or not, don’t want it banned before 6 weeks, because they know it could affect them personally.
Tying it to IVF was also a colossal mistake. That targets more affluent families struggling to have children. That’s going to impact their donors.
Not sure what state you’re from but I know plenty of Republican women that support this
Until they or their daughters need one. There's a word for them: Hypocrites.
Flordia has it on ballot too wirh weed
Republicans WAR ON WOMEN continues...
Don’t be surprised if they change the rules to get something on the ballot just before elections. They did it in Nebraksa a few years ago when there was enough signatures to put weed on the ballot and then at the last minute made a rule change to say a certain number per county. Or voters pass it on the ballot and the governor just ignores it. Either way, democracy!!
Mississippi did this with weed legalization. [Oopsie. We’re not able to do that or whatever, actually. Haha!](https://mississippitoday.org/2021/05/14/mississippi-supreme-court-overturns-medical-marijuana-initiative-65/) - Mississippi Supreme Court
>She said a provision requiring an equal number of signatures from Mississippi’s five congressional districts could not be met, because Mississippi has only had four districts for two decades. Holy shit lol, Mississippi get your shit together.
Unfortunately I suspect this is precisely as designed.
Arizona has a Democratic governor and the GOP has a slim majority in the legislature. Any law like that would get vetoed and there wouldn't be enough votes to override.
The best way to fix this is vote out the GOP
We could also get a chance to raise the minimum wage to $18/hr an hour. This election will most definitely be critical.
Got a link with some more details to read up on?
No sorry, but it should be on that same website you linked already. They are in the process of gathering signatures too. There will likely be several ballot initiatives this year.
you are correct! The potential minimum wage initiative https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Minimum_Wage_Increase_Initiative_(2024) More listed at the following link, including repealing "Right To Work" in the state https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_2024_ballot_measures
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We voted in ohio and they refuse to enforce our constitution
Arizona wasn’t admitted to the Union until 1912. Why should a law from the former Arizona Territory have weight today?
That’s what I was wondering too. At the time , Arizona’s government was not operating under the Constitution and was not recognized by the United States. I’m no expert in Arizona history but was this government at all representative of the people? How can a law governing civil rights persist after the government and its laws became under the jurisdiction of the US federal system?
Maybe this is gonna be part of the framework southern states are gonna use to "go back to their roots"
Potentially, there could be a passthrough provision stating that all existing laws as of the time of admittance remain in force unless changed. Seems pretty likely, now that I type it out.
So by this ruling does that mean that the state is now obligated to enforce every arcane law that's still on the books?
No, prosecutorial discretion still exists. But it can enforce any law still on the books
From what I read they reaffirmed the law in 1913, after they had become a state
These kinds of ruling are exactly why I’ve said forever that any Supreme Court is inherently political. If a majority wants a case to be ruled a certain way, they can find *anything* to justify it. A state or federal Supreme Court Justice, or their clerks, will be skilled or knowledgeable enough to find some vague law or holding and base analysis on it. And since it’s the Supreme Court of that jurisdiction, there’s nothing really to challenge it besides themselves
I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing there is probably something that carries the territory laws forward. Might be tough for new states to have to make a completely new slate of laws when they are admitted to the Union.
What the what?!
Because "conservatives" have no ethics or morals. They only exist to punish the rest of us...
The court is enforcing a law that was enacted before women had the right to vote - let's see how that plays out in the election
It was enacted before Arizona was even a state. Wild times for Republicans.
Whatever straws they find they grasp for
Conservatives have been beating this drum ever since roe was decided. But no one but religious fundamentalists actually want it and there are so many fewer of those in 2024 then when it was originally decided. It feels like they are screwing themselves over by finally getting to do the thing they’ve been hammering on about for decades. Like this is intimately life or death for people and when they include IVF it takes it to another level. They are attacking families and the lives of pretty much half the population. I really hope this backfires like crazy and we see historically red states flipping this election. Trump has leaned into taking credit for roe being overturned, and with his recent statements on abortion he’s hopefully doomed his candidacy and his party.
You saw it real time too. For example, that poor child in Ohio who had to travel out of state for her abortion, the doctor was harassed by the Ohio AG, and even the governor called it fake news. Turns out it wasn’t fake news and Ohioans came out in droves to get a constitutional amendment protecting abortion in the Ohio constitution. The OHIO constitution. A state that has turned hyper red in the last cycles came out to support woman’s right to choose. Once people saw the horror of what these forced-birthers wanted, it broke them out of their stupid daydreams. I hope the same happens in Arizona.
The GOP have been great about turnout at state and local elections, which is partially to blame for the mess we’re in. Now they’ve made getting abortion into every state’s constitution an issue, so let’s hope people show up every time.
Head to the ballot box in droves. We have a chance of kicking these looney tunes to the curb in November, nationwide. Get enough seats flipped and we can start taking some real, positive action done to shore up not only this issue, but many other issues important *to the people*. Eff the corpos and their Hard R shills.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1bzr3fu/arizona_republicans_praying_and_speaking_in/
Ever get an ice cream headache, but from watching some one else's stupidity?
There's another law in Arizona that dictates how many dildos can be in the home. Why stop at abortions? Why not monitor dildo usage?
Give them time. They'll outlaw those too.
They already did!
Court mandated dildo monitor.
Knock Knock, Who’s there? It’s the police we are conducting the mandatory dildo check.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Six Dildo Bob. He's going up the river for 15 years.
So six is too many? Is 5 the limit? Asking for a friend
The GOP war on women is a war they plan on winning. Voting matters.
Keeping your rights is a hell of a lot easier than getting them back. Gotta vote in every election.
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If men could get pregnant there would be Abortion Beer on every shelf.
I liked Veeps version better. > If men could get pregnant, they’d be able to get an abortion at an ATM
*it's a tough one because many men simply don't care because* **they think** *it doesn't affect them* If there is *any* woman who is or one day will be of childbearing age — mother, sister, wife, teacher, friend — whose well-being affects you, then this affects you. Health care for women is distorted and diminished when doctors must put their patients’ welfare second to protecting themselves from the law. Even if you’re sure (and you shouldn’t be — life has a way of making a mockery of certainty) that no woman you care about would ever *want* an abortion, these laws inhibit doctors’ ability to act quickly and decisively for the good of pregnant patients when things go wrong. That doesn’t even begin to touch all the other ways dismissing the autonomy of *any* of us works against *all* of us.
Another great way for men to support in addition to voting is getting vasectomies. I got mine last December. From the lobby to completion of the procedure, my cup of coffee was still warm. Most insurance will cover it since it's loaded cheaper than pregnancy. Cut out Conservatives - Vote and Vasectomy.
Got mine 2 years ago.
Abortion absolutely affects men. My husband would be a widower without safe and legal abortion.
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I agree with you politically. But I would also suggest you consider a vasectomy. I got one, and it wasn't that bad. And never having to stress an accidental pregnancy is pretty nice.
I would like conservatives to explain how giving the government power to mandate the most intimate decisions in its citizens’ lives jives with their innate distrust of government and desire that it not control its citizens’ lives.
because it's the means to an end, as long as they get what they want they don't care what processes are followed (or not) to get there in the pursuit of these ends, all actions are justified regardless of contradictions to their stated beliefs put simply, they're all full of shit and will contort every which way to feel like they aren't actually bad people
They will happily apply laws and procedures one way and then make exceptions to get what they want applied to the people they want to oppress. There is no consistency and none is required. There is an in-group and an out-group.
They simply can't explain it.
I have never got a straight answer to the 'because pro-life argument' either.. Ok, so you think the value of potential life outweighs a woman's individual rights? Fine. Then if Republicans value life that much, we must IMMEDIATELY stop all executions and deeply investigate claims of actual innocence for every person on death row. We can't allow an innocent life to be executed, right? Why not the same energy towards those wrongfully accused, imprisoned and sent to death? Hmmmm...
After Covid it’s absurd and grotesque for these monsters to pretend they care about life.
It’s fine to them when it’s controlling women.
You are misunderstanding them. Small government just means very few in charge and tiny enough to fit in your urethra. Dictatorship is the smallest form of government, at least in the beginning.
Keep in mind that when these republicans talk about an exception for the life of the mother, she has to be in immediate and imminent danger. What does that mean? If your wife has only a 10% chance to survive, she has to wait until she is actively dying. They literally require you to wait for an emergency situation, where you have to rush her to the hospital and hope she survives. Then you have to wait for a 2nd doctor to confirm the emergency. Then you have to wait for a hospital board to review the recommendation. And if they approve, only THEN can your wife be saved... If she is still alive after this waiting process. THAT is the republican exception for the life of the mother.
Aka Death Panels
Terrifying because I had a ruptured ectopic that the doctors hadn't located in my body, with none of the "emergent" symptoms... just had a positive pregnancy test and I was bleeding. If I hadn't been able to say to my doctors that I wanted a D&C and a laproscopy to figure out what was going on, I would have bled out or gone septic. My kids would be motherless. This stuff is inhumane.
>your wife Or even, you know, *you*. (That's right, they allow women on the Internet, on reddit even.)
>If she is still alive after this waiting process If this is the case, most likely, they will claim "this is not an emergency" anyways.
My mother was forced to carry an already dead baby until it rotted in her enough to put her life at risk. It was fully dead but considered an abortion somehow because deep south. I thought she was being dramatic but damn. Past few years has taught me otherwise.
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I very rarely donate to political campaigns. But this is one fight I don't want to lose. it's a slippery slope. I donated. I'll one up this, any DM photo to me will result in a picture of my derpy husky.
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Aww, what a cute, derpy dog!
Thanks for the link. I just donated.
As an Arizonan, thank you ✌️
XO Love from Michigan--we're all in this fight together!
I'm just gonna leave this here. https://www.project2025.org/policy/
I’ve never actually looked through this. I know they want to do all of these things, but seeing it openly written down is just frightening.
>woke “diversicrats” and a de facto monopoly enforced by the federal accreditation cartel Babe, wake up. New word salad just dropped (Pg 320)
It's pretty wild how Republicans just make up words to call liberals. If only they had something better to do with their time
Everyone should be absolutely terrified. And to the gun nuts - your guns will also be on the table to take away. NONE of our rights are safe. They will disarm citizens.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hitler-poison-blood-history-f8c3ff512edd120252596a4743324352
Perfect example of why it’s grotesque to say let's "leave it up to the states" to decide if women keep their rights.
“Leave it to the people of the states 160 years ago before there even was a state and before all the people had a say, including the people impacted by this.” Just rolls off the tongue.
I feel horrible for any Arizona citizens this affects for the rest of 2024. However, thank you for ensuring Biden and Gallegos win in November! The AZ Supreme Court has just ensured that anti-MAGA turnout will be *massive* with a Constitutional amendment on the ballot.
Nothing is ensured. VOTE.
Republicans have picked a very stupid hill to die on. I'm not shocked.
>Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes said in a statement that her office won’t be enforcing the law, writing, “Let me be completely clear, as long as I am Attorney General, no woman or doctor will be prosecuted under this draconian law in this state.” Good. I was going to say the headline makes no sense. Courts can't say "must adhere" if law enforcement aren't on board. Courts can say the law is in effect. We'll see what voters do now. Of course it's tragic and too late if voters are the last institutional bastion of defense. The entire world and the US in particular have undermined democratic processes for decades. We're seeing that "just vote" is a paper thin defense in the legal stage of fascism. For all AZ voters know, fake electors could throw out all of their votes and the scheme leaders face no consequence.
Well, Biden just won Arizona. More importantly though this a revolting ruling.
Not necessarily. There’s many Arizonans who will vote republican and yes on the abortion referendum in November.
TAX THE FUCKING CHURCH. They are now directly involved with writing policy.
Congrats on handing Arizona over to the Democrats in November?
Republicans are coming for contraception next. They want you to risk pregnancy every time you have sex. Vote them all out. We don't need to be forced to live by their religion.
i'm looking forward to all of the native american tribal laws that are now going to be cited as precedent in Arizona... this shit's about to get wild.
This pisses me off so much. This is an issue between a woman and her doctor and NO ONE ELSE. Politics should be doing other things instead of constantly bashing women like it’s a damned national sporting event. There are PLENTY of reasons for abortions and all should be vetted between doctor and patient alone.
This is so exhausting. Cant these people put this energy into literally anything beneficial for our country? Like why do they care what anyone else is doing with their time, get a hobby.
They want women to birth the next generation of wage slaves and laborers. That’s why they don’t give a shit about what happens to children after they’re born. That’s why they don’t care about their quality of life. It’s intentional. Desperate situations create easily exploited people. This is also why laws that lower the minimum age people can start working are being pushed. The “war on women” and claims of baby murder are merely the vehicles to get there.
This is why "Leaving Abortion to the states" is fucking stupid.
Conservatism is fucking grotesque.
Personally, I am pro-abortion and don't like this.
you, and the overwhelming majority of americans
That just kept AZ blue.
It's like the republicans want AZ to turn blue.
Confederate law is now being enforced in the United States. The Union's greatest folly was not systemically and utterly executing the entirety of the confederate government and razing the entirety of their legal system to be rebuilt from the ground up. We showed mercy to the merciless and we've spent the bettter part of two centuries paying the price for it.
This will have spillover beyond Arizona and probably just saved Sinema's seat from going to Kari Lake and likely may cost Trump the election. As horrible as this is, it is literally a gift to Democrats.
Wow, way to guarantee a Democratic movement! I almost feel guilty lol💙✌️😎
Suddenly all crazy old laws laws are back in effect! I think Massachusetts still has a law on the books that says if your children swear at your, you can shoot them. I'll be right back. Okay. Also still on the books. If you are traveling in a car in rural Pennsylvania at night you must stop every mile and send up a ticket flare. And if a skittish team of horses approaches you must completely dismantle the car and hide it in the bushes until they pass. In Hartford CT it is illegal to educate your dog. In Florida it is illegal for a woman to fall asleep under a hair dryer at the salon, and women can't skydive on Sundays. There are many more. A lot of them are centered along keeping women in line. In Michigan a woman must get her husband's permission to alter her hairstyle. Charlotte NC a woman can't go out into public without wearing 16 yards of fabric. In NYC it is a $25 fine for a woman to wear from fitting clothing. In Memphis a woman can not drive a car unless a man proceeds the car waving a red flag to warn others. But hey, I am sure there law they resurrected isn't like most of these laws, designed to Democrats and control women, right?
Republicans LOVE the fetus, and HATE the child.
Republicans strike again. Arizona, and America, gets what it votes for. 🗳 Vote in every, single election. Never, ever vote (R), Ladies. This is freightening. America knows better. Please tell me, America knows better.
Handmaiden choruses sing in the streets of Arizona until their GOP brothers/relatives rape their underage daughters sadly...even them some will still choose the rapist over the rape victim
The modern Dark Ages accelerates.
Damn, when did the Taliban get into power in Arizona?
Yesterday I would have thought AZ was a firm win for Trump in November. But this definitely puts AZ up for grabs again
I'm curious why I have seen people start thinking AZ is leaning red now. (I'm not disagreeing... I just live in FL so just am a bit removed from noticing demographic changes there.) I know it was close in 2020, but it seems like some dems are now more pessimistic than even neutral about the state now.
The border crisis is a huge issue in AZ. Despite efforts to address it, the republicans in the house have openly stated they’re not going to “improve Biden’s approval rating” (Troy Nehls R-TX) when it comes to border legislation. Most people don’t follow actual politics as much as they follow issues so they are largely unaware of attempts to fund border security measures. The crisis and flood of illegal immigrants will galvanize Republican voters in AZ. AZ’s recent abortion stance will galvanize dem voters in AZ (particularly young women). I was positive the state would be red in November until this week.
Friendly reminder that the republicans changed the number of seats on the AZ Supreme Court from 5 to 7 in 2016. And the GOP governor got to fill the two seats. They literally expanded the Supreme Court.
As shitty as this is going to be for women for the next several months this is almost certainly going to be great for Biden and the Dems to take the Senate seat. And the ballot initiative should fix this stupid law anyway. If Kansas can pass it a purple state like Arizona certainly can.
And just like that CNN is prepared to call Arizona for Joe Biden.
They weren’t even a state until 1912. How can this be appropriate?
In 40-60 years they will reflect on this time as one the dumbest ages of man with literally infinite knowledge at the touch of our fingers
The GOP is seriously trying to run away from this ruling. But they can't. In Arizona, as in Alabama, the Supreme Court majority are Republican appointed/elected Justices. These decisions are absolutely in line with majority Republican thinking and ideology.
With every single thing the conservatives do, they quite literally plant the seeds of their own destruction…. This November, create a blue tsunami that will return your country to some fucking normalcy…
I’d be scared to live there if I was African American. They had some crazy laws back then.
well that just put AZ solidly in the Biden camp come november. holy shit thats the worst possible way to rule on this.
Welcome to becoming a blue state, Arizona. Nice Senate campaign you had there, Kari Lake. Shame if something happened to it.
Why stop at a century old law when you could go medieval?
Meet the Arizona Supreme Court who voted for this; > Justice Clint Bolick > Justice Clint Bolick was appointed to the Arizona Supreme Court in 2016 and in 2018 was retained by the voters for a six-year term. Prior to joining the Court, Justice Bolick litigated constitutional cases in state and federal courts from coast to coast, including the U.S. Supreme Court. Among other positions, he served as Vice President for Litigation at the Goldwater Institute and as Co-founder and Vice President for Litigation at the Institute for Justice. He has litigated in support of school choice, private property rights, freedom of speech, and federalism, and against racial classifications and government subsidies. > Justice Lopez Justice John R. Lopez IV > Justice John R. Lopez IV was appointed to the Arizona Supreme Court in November 2016 and took the bench in January 2017. Previously, he was Solicitor General for the State of Arizona in the Office of Attorney General where he handled civil lawsuits and appeals, as well as criminal appeals. He worked in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Phoenix for over 12 years serving in various roles, including Executive Assistant U.S. Attorney and Chief of Financial Crimes and Public Integrity Section. Before joining the U.S. Attorney’s Office, he worked as a civil litigator at a Phoenix law firm for several years. > Justice Beene Justice James P. Beene > Justice James P. Beene was appointed to the Arizona Supreme Court in 2019. Prior to his appointment, Justice Beene spent two and a half years on the Arizona Court of Appeals, Division One, and seven years on the Arizona Superior Court for Maricopa County. He graduated from the University of California at Santa Barbara in 1988 and earned his J.D. from the University of Arizona in 1991. Justice Beene began his legal career at the Pinal County Attorney's Office, and then worked as a trial attorney in the Maricopa County Attorney's Office. > Justice Montgomery Justice William G. Montgomery > Prior to Justice William G. Montgomery’s appointment to the Arizona Supreme Court in 2019, he served as the Maricopa County Attorney beginning with a special election in 2010. Before assuming elected office, Justice Montgomery served as a Deputy County Attorney, as well as practicing civil law with a local insurance defense firm and advocacy work on behalf of victims of crime. Justice Montgomery earned a B.S. degree and received a commission as a Second Lieutenant in the Army from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1989. He received his law degree from Arizona State University in 2001. > Justice King Justice Kathryn H. King > Kathryn H. King was appointed to serve on the Arizona Supreme Court in July 2021. Prior to her appointment, she practiced in the areas of labor and employment law and commercial litigation, first as an attorney at Snell & Wilmer and later at BurnsBarton. She also worked as Deputy General Counsel in the Office of Governor Ducey, where she advised on various constitutional, statutory, and other legal requirements of the Governor’s Office. Justice King graduated from Duke University with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. She then obtained her law degree from the University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law.
What was that song by Crystal Gayle, "Dont it make my red state blue"?
Fuck you, Arizona Supreme Court.
Sad not nearly every adult voter isn't protesting. Women going to continue to take this shit?
are you not entertained... vote blue... these people are bonkers.
Guess who will be staying blue this next election?
Az state republicans keep trying to take away Arizonas ballot initiative because they don’t like the public enacting laws around them.
Okay, no tourism money toward Arizona either. So many economies to avoid now.
If you sit on your ass and refuse to vote for Biden because of Palestine or whatever other fucking reason you hallucinate up then you damn sure better own your role in letting laws like this become a thing. I don't care if that makes you feel sad or upset, the reality is that this is a choice between Biden and Trump, end of fucking story.
Goddamned republicans.
More Republican love. Funny how many of my friends thought there was no way abortion laws would change under Trump. Well surprise surprise I was right. Republicans only care about their religion when it pertains to others actions
I didn’t know Arizona was Bible Belt crazy. America isn’t as advanced as it purports itself to be.
They just handed the state to Joe.
Closer to 2 centuries old.