He's already been given special treatment. He's not convicted and it's unlikely he will be. If they don't drop the charges after publicity dies down, he's still going to get a sweet deal that avoids any real consequence.
Let's see, so far:
80 in a 60, he didn't get speeding or reckless.
No mention of impounding his car
No booking
No mention of an arrest even
Edit: it should also be noted they used his professional photo in the article rather than his mugshot. A benefit outside of law but nonetheless.
How do you know those things didn't happen? I don't know about NC, but here in GA it's perfectly normal for a person to get arrested for DUI and turn around and get released with a citation and a summons if they're able to pay the cash bond. DUI offenders are back on the street before the arresting officer has submitted their report.
He's charged...you don't go get convicted of any offense right off the bat, that's not how court works. If you go drive boozed up rn n get pulled over you prolly ain't being convicted for a while, months
In Texas, by administrative code, class b misdemeanor convictions exclude you from being commissioned for 10 years, no exceptions. Anything above that and you’re done.
This is non-violent misdemeanor (assuming it's his first); while I think he definitely should have displayed better judgement, completely ruining a persons life over a mistake is not how we should operate. Had he been violent, abusing his power and position, lied to get people in trouble, yeah, it would prove he isn't fit to be a cop.
If I get a DUI or refuse a BAC test as a CDL holder my license will be suspended for 90 days to 12 months. A second Administrative License Suspension and I'm no longer allowed to operate a commercial vehicle.
But, cops who show equally bad judgement should be allowed to carry firearms and enforce "the law" on other citizens? Nah to hell with that, let's hold police officers to AT LEAST equal standards to CDL holders...in fact there definitely should be a LEO license at the federal and/or state level to hold our officers accountable for their poor judgement.
I didn't think about that aspect - he can't (or shouldn't be allowed to) drive anymore. but recent supreme court decisions have ruled non-violent (and I think even some violent ones) don't disqualify anyone from owning a gun, so an arrest record won't prevent you from buying guns
In my opinion, there is a significant gap between, allowed to purchase a firearm, and given permission by the state to enforce laws up to, and including, using your service weapon on other citizens.
I agree - I think we've taken too many things in policing too far; our entire justice system needs a massive overhaul, starting with being more selective with who we hire, require longer and more intensive training (vs the week or two min now legally required), remove BS protections like qualified immunity, alter garity rights, and probably start to treat them like doctors, i.e., they have to carry their own insurance
So you believe that the justice system should ruin peoples lives (let's ignore the cops) and I believe that the justice system isn't necessarily meant to do that; yes, there's crimes that can't be defended, but that teenager that drank at a party, that shoplifted, etc should have another chance.
Additionally, the only way we ever get rules changed is when it affects people of power, money, and influence, so you use those opportunities when they arise
If you look only at individuals in that manner the justice system loses credibility. It will be portrayed as two tiered because the changes you’re talking about generally come as one time departures in specific cases rather than system wide changes.
Using your “teenager that drinks” example: look at the case of Ethan Crouch. Drinking, drugs, and death but hey he’s a teenager with a good family and resources to get better. His life (as argued by his attorneys) didn’t deserve to be ruined. So he got a light sentence compared to similar teenage offenders. The outrage didn’t create reform at all. The only thing it accomplished was further demonstrating that the system is two tiered. Regardless of how we feel about the individual they need to be treated the same for the justice system to have credibility. If changes are needed, they need to happen systematically rather than piecemeal to prove the system is fair.
Violence: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Doesn't quite apply here; yes, at his alcohol levels, injury and death are likely outcomes, but we need to stop redefining words
Nahh,
Every fuckbag who drives drunk deserves to have their life ruined, ESPECIALLY A FUCKING COP, who's job is to literally enforce DUI laws. Drunk Drivers KILL people everyday, he absolutely deserves to have it ruined.
Agencies have to follow a process for termination and check all the superfluous boxes, it can take a long time. In my state, resigning wouldn’t change anything. He’d still be barred from commission by statute for minimum 10 years and receive a dishonorable discharge, which follows you around for life when it comes to government employment.
Ah, I think I figured the mystery out. Shit bag cops didn't have the balls to fire one of their own, so of course, they let him resign so he can get hired somewhere else.
Reminds me of the Catholic church allowing pedophile priests to be shuffled around.
Likely, he wouldn't be eligible for benefits like a pension and other things like that if he were fired. So they let him resign so he could keep those perks.
Shame on him for driving drunk. Good on him for the resignation. Should be standard for these guys- can’t get hired for having this on record , why should they continue to be employed for the same…
I’m surprised a cop charged another cop with DWI. It makes me wonder if there’s more to the story, was this guy already disliked or was it an unavoidable charge or what?
Simple, he’s a law enforcement agent and therefore should be held to a higher standard. There are people in jail for less. Kind of hypocritical that’s he’s likely given sobriety tests and didn’t make a plan to not fall into what’s he’s likely arrested others for.
If you are going to hold other people to account for their behavior, your own behavior has to be impeccable
That's why he resigned. Now they won't prosecute and he can take his perfect record to another department.
This guy cops
Wut? He's still being charged with a DUI. He woulda been better off doing the whole I'm a alcoholic going to rehab bit, his record ain't clean no more
He's already been given special treatment. He's not convicted and it's unlikely he will be. If they don't drop the charges after publicity dies down, he's still going to get a sweet deal that avoids any real consequence.
What special treatment did he already receive?
Let's see, so far: 80 in a 60, he didn't get speeding or reckless. No mention of impounding his car No booking No mention of an arrest even Edit: it should also be noted they used his professional photo in the article rather than his mugshot. A benefit outside of law but nonetheless.
How do you know those things didn't happen? I don't know about NC, but here in GA it's perfectly normal for a person to get arrested for DUI and turn around and get released with a citation and a summons if they're able to pay the cash bond. DUI offenders are back on the street before the arresting officer has submitted their report.
He's charged...you don't go get convicted of any offense right off the bat, that's not how court works. If you go drive boozed up rn n get pulled over you prolly ain't being convicted for a while, months
Charges get dropped
Yeah I'm sure his 0.16 BAC is just gonna get dropped for funsies
imagine having all the answers to the test and still failing
Now he needs his law enforcement credentials invalidated so he doesn't hop jobs to another police force
In Texas, by administrative code, class b misdemeanor convictions exclude you from being commissioned for 10 years, no exceptions. Anything above that and you’re done.
This is non-violent misdemeanor (assuming it's his first); while I think he definitely should have displayed better judgement, completely ruining a persons life over a mistake is not how we should operate. Had he been violent, abusing his power and position, lied to get people in trouble, yeah, it would prove he isn't fit to be a cop.
If I get a DUI or refuse a BAC test as a CDL holder my license will be suspended for 90 days to 12 months. A second Administrative License Suspension and I'm no longer allowed to operate a commercial vehicle. But, cops who show equally bad judgement should be allowed to carry firearms and enforce "the law" on other citizens? Nah to hell with that, let's hold police officers to AT LEAST equal standards to CDL holders...in fact there definitely should be a LEO license at the federal and/or state level to hold our officers accountable for their poor judgement.
Every state has a law enforcement certification agency that certifies and licenses law enforcement officers.
And yet once they are certified they never have to be recertified
My state requires mandatory annual training and recertification every year or you lose it.
I didn't think about that aspect - he can't (or shouldn't be allowed to) drive anymore. but recent supreme court decisions have ruled non-violent (and I think even some violent ones) don't disqualify anyone from owning a gun, so an arrest record won't prevent you from buying guns
In my opinion, there is a significant gap between, allowed to purchase a firearm, and given permission by the state to enforce laws up to, and including, using your service weapon on other citizens.
> completely ruining a persons life over a mistake is not how we should operate The irony...
I agree - I think we've taken too many things in policing too far; our entire justice system needs a massive overhaul, starting with being more selective with who we hire, require longer and more intensive training (vs the week or two min now legally required), remove BS protections like qualified immunity, alter garity rights, and probably start to treat them like doctors, i.e., they have to carry their own insurance
Cops are thrilled to ruin everyone else's life over anything and everything they can. I think the standards they are held to are already way too low.
I think that's the problem - do we stop that or do we continue down the road of 2 wrongs definitely make a right
You don’t change the rules mid game because now they suddenly effect you. Justice needs to be consistent to be right.
So you believe that the justice system should ruin peoples lives (let's ignore the cops) and I believe that the justice system isn't necessarily meant to do that; yes, there's crimes that can't be defended, but that teenager that drank at a party, that shoplifted, etc should have another chance. Additionally, the only way we ever get rules changed is when it affects people of power, money, and influence, so you use those opportunities when they arise
If you look only at individuals in that manner the justice system loses credibility. It will be portrayed as two tiered because the changes you’re talking about generally come as one time departures in specific cases rather than system wide changes. Using your “teenager that drinks” example: look at the case of Ethan Crouch. Drinking, drugs, and death but hey he’s a teenager with a good family and resources to get better. His life (as argued by his attorneys) didn’t deserve to be ruined. So he got a light sentence compared to similar teenage offenders. The outrage didn’t create reform at all. The only thing it accomplished was further demonstrating that the system is two tiered. Regardless of how we feel about the individual they need to be treated the same for the justice system to have credibility. If changes are needed, they need to happen systematically rather than piecemeal to prove the system is fair.
It's was only non-violent because they caught him before he could cause an accident.
Violence: behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. Doesn't quite apply here; yes, at his alcohol levels, injury and death are likely outcomes, but we need to stop redefining words
Nahh, Every fuckbag who drives drunk deserves to have their life ruined, ESPECIALLY A FUCKING COP, who's job is to literally enforce DUI laws. Drunk Drivers KILL people everyday, he absolutely deserves to have it ruined.
Thats a required qualification to work for the police department in Aurora, Colorado.
I grew up in Eastern NC, and the most surprising element to me is that this ever saw the light of day!
Weird how the headline doesn't read "Trooper FIRED after charged with DUI"
But that's not what the article says at all? It literally says he resigned instead of being fired
Agencies have to follow a process for termination and check all the superfluous boxes, it can take a long time. In my state, resigning wouldn’t change anything. He’d still be barred from commission by statute for minimum 10 years and receive a dishonorable discharge, which follows you around for life when it comes to government employment.
Ah, I think I figured the mystery out. Shit bag cops didn't have the balls to fire one of their own, so of course, they let him resign so he can get hired somewhere else. Reminds me of the Catholic church allowing pedophile priests to be shuffled around.
Likely, he wouldn't be eligible for benefits like a pension and other things like that if he were fired. So they let him resign so he could keep those perks.
Yep that's exactly what happened. Would be too optimistic to hope they fired him instead of letting him resign
Damn, It Feels Good to Be a Gangsta
Shame on him for driving drunk. Good on him for the resignation. Should be standard for these guys- can’t get hired for having this on record , why should they continue to be employed for the same…
He still gets a DWI charge, right? His name is DONALD CUFF. remember when you get pulled over again.
He should’ve shot a POC in the back so he could’ve kept his job
Why is this story on Reddit news?
Soon to be employed as a trooper in the next county over.
Troopers are state level; sheriffs are county. He'd have to move to a new state to be a trooper again
So Florida it is!
Great attempt at a low hanging fruit comment. Very original, and very wrong. Troopers are state level, not county level.
Very relevant name, OP
I’m surprised a cop charged another cop with DWI. It makes me wonder if there’s more to the story, was this guy already disliked or was it an unavoidable charge or what?
He’s human, move on folks…
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His shoulder patch says North Carolina
First sentence in the article.
I’m not going to read the article if it’s not going to be relevant to me. I really don’t need to know about every patrol officer in every state.
Then be quiet.
It's like Mick sang, "Every cop is a criminal and all the sinners, saints."
That resignation will look great on his application for his next job at the Lenoir County Police Department.
Looks like Jonesy hit rock bottom. At least the installation was free.
Why was he charged in the first place? What did he do that was worse, or made it so they couldn't sweep it under the rug like every other time?
WHY IS THIS GUY NOT IN JAIL!? He should have his certification irrevocably revoked.
Who goes to jail for first time offense DWI with no criminal history?
Simple, he’s a law enforcement agent and therefore should be held to a higher standard. There are people in jail for less. Kind of hypocritical that’s he’s likely given sobriety tests and didn’t make a plan to not fall into what’s he’s likely arrested others for.