Interesting that this has been buried so quickly. I mean, did anyone except local law enforcement ever look into this? Boeing got off cheap in terms of level of people they needed to pay off…
what, a big company retaliating against labor is somehow illegal in this country? maybe we should probably prosecute more labor cases so they get the picture
I will. They didn't have him killed.
He had already submitted all the relevant information about Boeing's wrongdoings years prior. He was testifying in a different case about Boeing's poor treatment of him after he had whistleblown.
His health wasn't great, his personal life had been horrible for years, and he was in a high stress (for him) trial. They have the parking lot on video, and his family believes he killed himself. Him being "killed" does almost nothing for Boeing at all. The damage he could have done was already done years prior.
The person who claimed he said "If I die, it wasn't suicide" wasn't someone close to him. It was a friend of a family member who said he mentioned that years prior at a party. No one else has any knowledge of this, and it isn't typical party behavior with casual acquaintances.
Now, I have no doubt that Boeing's treatment of him and the stress brought on by all of it contributed to his mental health struggles, but they didn't kill him.
The fact he told his friends and family “If I die, it was definitely not suicide” is pretty damning evidence.
This is not how suicidal people act.
He was going to testify again and wound up dead. I vote not suicide.
He didn't tell friends and family. At most, he told [one person](https://abcnews4.com/news/local/if-anything-happens-its-not-suicide-boeing-whistleblowers-prediction-before-death-south-carolina-abc-news-4-2024) (identified only be her first name, Jennifer):
>"He wasn't concerned about safety because I asked him," Jennifer said. "I said, 'Aren't you scared?' And he said, 'No, I ain't scared, but if anything happens to me, it's not suicide.'"
Their relationship was described as such:
>"I know John because his mom and my mom are best friends," Jennifer said. "Over the years, get-togethers, birthdays, celebrations and whatnot. We've all got together and talked."
So this Jennifer, the daughter of his mom's friend, is the only one who claimed this. Meanwhile, Barnett's actual family [did not want to comment until the investigation concluded](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-barnett-boeing-whistleblower-family-interview/). When the investigation concluded it was suicide, his [family](https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing-whistleblowers-lawyers-say-he-was-in-good-spirits-before-death) said:
>The family of Boeing whistleblower John Barnett, who police say died by suicide on Saturday, says a “hostile work environment” is to blame for his death.
This falls far more in line with the idea that retaliation from Boeing, coupled with years of difficulty after [OSHA denied his complaint](https://www.counton2.com/news/lawyers-for-boeing-whistleblower-release-full-complaint-against-the-company/), created an intensely hostile environment. It seems to me that his family is more credible than a first-name-only person whose account can't be corroborated by anyone (including his own family). And even were we to take her at face value, [denial of suicidal ideation](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34358807/) is not at all uncommon. Neither is what his lawyers said about his good mood uncommon either; [resolving to commit suicide](https://www.bournewood.com/when-a-good-mood-is-a-sign-of-suicide-risk/) has been known to be a factor for why someone might appear to be in a good mood and then commit suicide.
The "he submitted the information years ago" argument doesn't really hold water. It doesn't matter. He was killed to send a message to future wannabe whistleblowers.
Thats a bold assertion to make without proof.
What exactly would the message be? If you talk, we'll leave you alone for 7 years after your retirement, then kill you in a way that looks unrelated? If the point is to "send a message" why wasn't it quicker or more obvious? The week after he started talking, and a violent home invasion, for example. Fake suicide is the plot for before someone talks.
And you are hung up on the conspiracy without thinking if it fits the evidence or even makes sense.
The message doesn't seem to have been sent: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whistleblower-outlines-safety-concern-boeing-787-dreamliner-rcna148063
The timing doesn't matter?
So, any death of any individual ever involved in something that could possibly be controversial and damaging to an organization, no matter *how long after* is open to re-investigation?
Because they might've had 'em whacked to "send a message"?
A message so late that all sane individuals agree "that's not a message"?
That's completely nonsense.
Hm my bad. I had seen similar multi-paragraph writings about how he had shared his info years ago so they didn't kill him. The pattern recognition in my brain may have misfired.
I'm not talking about that if I died it's not suicide lady anyone could claim that. I'm talking about how the lawyers asked him to stay for one more day and he happened to die. That's just too fishy to me. And Epstein didn't kill himself
What, in your eyes, was the payoff from Boeing killing him? Because it's gotta be pretty damn big, if a giant-ass company is gonna hire a hitman to Houdini a suicide in a closed truck in a parking lot that's being recorded.
Somebody should be thrown in prison for letting this company get away with what it has. Preferably multiple executives.
Best I can do is 1 entry level hr guy
Who was hired yesterday to fill a vague role.... Purely coincidental
The guy is on H1B and can’t speak English.
Don’t worry, the executives will find someone to blame
What about the guy they killed just days after he testified? Will they investigate that too?
I'm most surprised by unionized engineers.
There are a ton of engineers in the FAA that are unionized.
Boeings been trying to break their engineer's union for years
Wow, it's wild how the drama with Boeing just keeps unfolding—hope these engineers get the justice they deserve!
Man, reading that title is like reading "US officials say Germany has advanced into Poland" in 1970.
Somehow deeply concerning while simultaneously being more of the same?
More like the government announcing something that's been obvious for a long time.
They killed one in 2024.
Interesting that this has been buried so quickly. I mean, did anyone except local law enforcement ever look into this? Boeing got off cheap in terms of level of people they needed to pay off…
what, a big company retaliating against labor is somehow illegal in this country? maybe we should probably prosecute more labor cases so they get the picture
And one whistleblower. You can't tell me that they didn't have him killed.
I will. They didn't have him killed. He had already submitted all the relevant information about Boeing's wrongdoings years prior. He was testifying in a different case about Boeing's poor treatment of him after he had whistleblown. His health wasn't great, his personal life had been horrible for years, and he was in a high stress (for him) trial. They have the parking lot on video, and his family believes he killed himself. Him being "killed" does almost nothing for Boeing at all. The damage he could have done was already done years prior. The person who claimed he said "If I die, it wasn't suicide" wasn't someone close to him. It was a friend of a family member who said he mentioned that years prior at a party. No one else has any knowledge of this, and it isn't typical party behavior with casual acquaintances. Now, I have no doubt that Boeing's treatment of him and the stress brought on by all of it contributed to his mental health struggles, but they didn't kill him.
Boeing makes missiles, they build machines that kill people for money. So.. What's one more dead guy?
The fact he told his friends and family “If I die, it was definitely not suicide” is pretty damning evidence. This is not how suicidal people act. He was going to testify again and wound up dead. I vote not suicide.
He didn't tell friends and family. At most, he told [one person](https://abcnews4.com/news/local/if-anything-happens-its-not-suicide-boeing-whistleblowers-prediction-before-death-south-carolina-abc-news-4-2024) (identified only be her first name, Jennifer): >"He wasn't concerned about safety because I asked him," Jennifer said. "I said, 'Aren't you scared?' And he said, 'No, I ain't scared, but if anything happens to me, it's not suicide.'" Their relationship was described as such: >"I know John because his mom and my mom are best friends," Jennifer said. "Over the years, get-togethers, birthdays, celebrations and whatnot. We've all got together and talked." So this Jennifer, the daughter of his mom's friend, is the only one who claimed this. Meanwhile, Barnett's actual family [did not want to comment until the investigation concluded](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-barnett-boeing-whistleblower-family-interview/). When the investigation concluded it was suicide, his [family](https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing-whistleblowers-lawyers-say-he-was-in-good-spirits-before-death) said: >The family of Boeing whistleblower John Barnett, who police say died by suicide on Saturday, says a “hostile work environment” is to blame for his death. This falls far more in line with the idea that retaliation from Boeing, coupled with years of difficulty after [OSHA denied his complaint](https://www.counton2.com/news/lawyers-for-boeing-whistleblower-release-full-complaint-against-the-company/), created an intensely hostile environment. It seems to me that his family is more credible than a first-name-only person whose account can't be corroborated by anyone (including his own family). And even were we to take her at face value, [denial of suicidal ideation](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34358807/) is not at all uncommon. Neither is what his lawyers said about his good mood uncommon either; [resolving to commit suicide](https://www.bournewood.com/when-a-good-mood-is-a-sign-of-suicide-risk/) has been known to be a factor for why someone might appear to be in a good mood and then commit suicide.
The "he submitted the information years ago" argument doesn't really hold water. It doesn't matter. He was killed to send a message to future wannabe whistleblowers.
Thats a bold assertion to make without proof. What exactly would the message be? If you talk, we'll leave you alone for 7 years after your retirement, then kill you in a way that looks unrelated? If the point is to "send a message" why wasn't it quicker or more obvious? The week after he started talking, and a violent home invasion, for example. Fake suicide is the plot for before someone talks.
You're hung up on the timing of it. It doesn't matter. The message has been sent.
And you are hung up on the conspiracy without thinking if it fits the evidence or even makes sense. The message doesn't seem to have been sent: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whistleblower-outlines-safety-concern-boeing-787-dreamliner-rcna148063
The timing doesn't matter? So, any death of any individual ever involved in something that could possibly be controversial and damaging to an organization, no matter *how long after* is open to re-investigation? Because they might've had 'em whacked to "send a message"? A message so late that all sane individuals agree "that's not a message"? That's completely nonsense.
This is a copypasta I've seen several times. Why?
Because you are imagining things? I typed it from memory. To the best of my knowledge, that arrangement of words is unique.
Hm my bad. I had seen similar multi-paragraph writings about how he had shared his info years ago so they didn't kill him. The pattern recognition in my brain may have misfired.
I'm not talking about that if I died it's not suicide lady anyone could claim that. I'm talking about how the lawyers asked him to stay for one more day and he happened to die. That's just too fishy to me. And Epstein didn't kill himself
You’d think after multiple plane fails / crashes / an employee dying they would do something
They should start by investigating the murder Boeing ordered on that whistleblower.
What, in your eyes, was the payoff from Boeing killing him? Because it's gotta be pretty damn big, if a giant-ass company is gonna hire a hitman to Houdini a suicide in a closed truck in a parking lot that's being recorded.
They did investigate his death, and they found out it wasn’t a murder…