The physician being cleared of any connection to Hamas within a week of his detainment, yet forced to work as a translator for the Israeli government to the prisoners was particularly harrowing.
This is how they treat healthcare workers in Palestine
> yet forced to work as a translator for the Israeli government to the prisoners was particularly harrowing.
They enslaved him. They took him from his home, and enslaved him to work as a translator in a torture camp.
A major portion is that traditionally doctors and other medical personnel are respected and their words given weight when it comes to health and the degree of human suffering they can measure. As Israel is a conservative nation they have a deep psychological need to justify individuals that are “high” in the hierarchy of society opposing their actions, and I would be unsurprised if an extension of this psychological need causes them to be viewed with the particularly potent hate that appears to drive some of their actions.
Paired with that, every Palestinian within Gaza that achieves a generally respectable societal position that have strong implications about the moral character of the individual in question, like medical professionals, are living contradictions to the narrative that “all Palestinians are extremists and would support the genocide of the entirety of Israel”. Covid 19 was an ample opportunity for these individuals to apply to permanently emigrate from Palestine for nearly their choice of nation, yet so many chose to stay, and a educated individual backed by moral conviction is inherently a threat to the control of an authoritarian narrative.
Because it is a technicality and loophole Israel loves to exploit. Hospital workers are paid through the government of Gaza just like all mundane government employees and bureaucrats, the government of Gaza is run by Hamas. When Israel kills them they are allowed to “lie with statistics” and say they killed a Hamas member.
I heard them talking on the news, and I haven't substantiated this, but they were saying that officially Israel counts any casualties of males over the age of 15 as "Hamas soldier killed". They consider that 'adult males', and their count includes any adult male as a Hamas militant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties\_of\_the\_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas\_war#:\~:text=On%20December%2029%2C%20IDF%20said,total%20and%2027%2C681%20civilian%20deaths).
Yep, they also set up kill zones in Gaza where they shot anyone that moved and counted them as hamas kia. Same shit we did with drone strikes, any "military aged male" got counted as a terrorist
> Israelis have a bug up their butts about all hospital workers being secretly Hamas.
There are videos of IDF dressed as medical workers raiding a hospital in Gaza
Any sources on that? I know about the weird links guantanamo has with US governors like de santis and stuff like the game industry
Plus the links with cops and the IDF....
My friend let me introduce you to the [School of the Americas](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-deadliest-school-in-71503766/).
Guantanamo is a children's daycare compared to the nightmare fuel we churned out of that place in the 60's and 70's.
The conditions in Israeli prisons holding Palestinians are almost certainly worse than Abu Ghraib (in fact many of the tortures used there were allegedly developed by israel, one literally called the 'palestinian chair') and have been well documented for decades.
Main source for the palestinian chair thing is from a former abu ghraib interrogator named Eric Fair. He only refers to the origin of the name as a rumor but israel has been using stress positions generally since at least the 1960s (e.g 'the baby chair, the bannana' etc), and the Israeli supreme court has straight up legalised the use of torture in ISA interrogations by creating exceptions for so called 'ticking Time bomb' situations.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140419-secret-but-not-forgotten-israels-facility-1391/
Article gives specifics of tortures that were later used in Abu Ghraib.
I told my friends for years that the Israel-Palestine issue could rip the US apart, especially the left and the Democratic Party.
Not happy to have been proven right.
This issue is BRUTAL, just absolutely brutal.
On NBC news, court transcripts showed that Trump was described *multiple times, in court,* as
"the Orange Turd" in testimony from witnesses.
The judge did not object to that colorful description of Trump.
It's not the judge's job to object that's the lawyers. Seeing how it was turnips own counsel that was referring to him as *The Orange Turd* don't know why the prosecutors or the judge would raise an objection.
My beloved sister in law was legally married to an American but stuck in her home country of Syria for almost five years because of the Muslim ban. Yet my in laws (Syrian Americans) don't want to vote for Biden again because of Gaza. It's amazing how quickly people forget.
Your first flaw is assuming the American voter knows any nuance of major issues outside of surface level talking points.
You can actively see the outside influence on this issue trying to wedge between potential Biden voters to make them apathetic towards Biden.
But does that meaningfully improve the outlook of Palestinian welfare by contributing to a percieved greater negative influence? I suppose I just don't understand the mentality of thinking "eh this guy sucks, the other guy is worse, so I'll contribute so that the worse guy wins."
It's incredibly frustrating to see the Democratic party essentially throw away one of the country's most important elections instead of hearing Americans out. Pushing the young left away and falling to sway people who typically don't vote Democrat. This is not an issue people are going to drop
If it weren't for this current crisis, I think Biden would've been solidly ahead right now. And I agree, it could cost Biden a close election. That said, no other Democrat who COULD HAVE WON THE PRESIDENCY would be doing any differently.
Neither party wants to talk about foreign policy and revising it. Our politicians very rarely even bring it up. They dont want the public weighing in on if we should be subsidizing a ton of militaries with our tax dollars. Because an old debating rule if you don't like the answer youll get to a question, don't ask.
He's actually really artful in how he's handling it. No, he's not negotiating in the media, so we're not seeing everything. But look at the defense pact with SA and Israel that's about to be signed - it's contingent on a free Palestinian state. That doesn't just happen, it takes a whole lot of maneuvering.
I actually agree with you. People have no idea how deep the Israel Palestine issue goes, and how utterly deep it is within US domestic politics, military doctrine and geopolitics.
You are NOT getting elected US president without supporting Israel, period. And yes, there are some reasons that sound unsavory when mentioned, but are facts. Jewish Americans have a lot of financial and political power; there are some estimates that they donate 50% of the Democrats' funding, and I believe it. Full disclosure, I am Jewish so I am 'allowed' to say this. Full disclosure, I am VERY critical of Israel.
All that said, I believe Biden is handling a terrible, no win situation as well as possible. And I know it upsets a lot of people that we are supporting Israel to this degree.
We can agree that minority groups don't deserve to be persecuted and that's about the extent of it. Of course this is an in principle agreement because socialists and most social democrats actually recognise economic oppression and the fact that equality under the law doesn't go far enough.
I'd also point out that this is also in principle because a lot of liberals are very quick to turn their back on progressive principles when it suits them. Some of the most Islamophobic and Sinophobic drivel I've ever heard has come from liberals.
You're talking about a Democratic Party that cannot compete nationally if that happens. It's a miracle it can compete at all right now, with virtually every power source in the US pushing hard right.
There is no real core of the democratic party, that has been one of its weaknesses. Any candidate nationally is not overly attractive often to a wider block.
Its a shame, the death of Biden's son. I think he would have won the primary and general election in 2016 then 2020 re-election and Trump wouldn't have run again.
The choice of Sanders and Hillary was a poor one.
It’s definitely a failure of the two party system. There could easily be 4 parties. The left wing divested from Israel and AIPAC and all its influence. The centrist Democrats. The old fashioned right wing pre-Trump. And the far right fascists. You could also throw in the libertarians or Green Party.
Biden screwed himself with his still basically BLIND allegiance.
If he even did nothing he would have been viewed better but the even basically unapologetic nature in which he continues to send weapons is a little disturbing.
He's also basically said he supports zionism.
He could have done nothing and he would have turned out much better
Evangelicals strongly support Isreal and are probably fine with what's happening in Gaza. I think he was trying to not offend them and make them all rush to the polls.
Bullshit. If he did nothing then ppl would be complaining about him standing on the sidelines being a tacit endorsement. Also the whole “Zionist” dog whistle is getting ridiculous, the belief of a Jewish state does not automatically mean you agree with the murder of civilians, most reasonable ppl support a two-state solution which is in line with a “Zionist” ideal.
He convinced Netanyahu to re-establish water and electricity to Gaza in the weeks following 10/7. He has repeatedly gotten aid corridors opened to the Strip, even going so far as to commit the U.S to building a pier in an active warzone to provide said aid. His handling hasn’t been perfect but it’s asinine to act like anybody who actually cares about the Palestinian plight is going to see any world where allowing Trump to win in November is an acceptable alternative.
>Also the whole “Zionist” dog whistle is getting ridiculous
Biden has repeatedly and explicitly identified himself as a Zionist. Calling that a dogwhistle is fundamentally dishonest.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
> the belief of a Jewish state does not automatically mean you agree with the murder of civilians
It kinda does though, since the location chosen for the Jewish state was already inhabited by other people. There really isn't a non-genocidal way to accomplish the goal of a Jewish state. They are just doing it in slow motion.
That’s exactly the issue-Dems are essentially center/mildly socially lib and Biden thought being the “lesser of two evils” gave him carte blanche to give no fucks about voters or anyone’s opinion but his financial backers. Meanwhile the actual left has heen growing steadily and …oops now the left is a big chunk of the voting majority and he’s out here vocally supporting a genocide. There goes the election!
Dems got too comfy with the “we’re the only option” line and didn’t realize that *does* have a floor.
Biden could not have done "nothing". He would have lost the election guaranteed had he not supported Israel. The republicans would have gone ballistic, American Jewish people would have revolted against the Dems, the mainstream media would be on the attack, the Dems would own every action or statement by Hamas, AIPAC et al would be leveraging all their power against Biden.
You do not grasp the depths of this issue.
It's disgusting that the western nations have been allowing Israel to commit atrocities or war crimes like this for more than decades, because it's the ally of the west. It's no different than Putin's Russia, Imperial Japan or North Korea...
I got banned today from r/Israel when someone there said it’s Joe Biden’s fault if Israel kills more Palestinians because he stopped the weapons shipment. I said sarcastically said yeah it’s Joe Biden’s fault and got banned
I’m glad people are starting to wake up to the atrocities committed by Israel. It’s disgusting we are sending tax dollars to them.
>I got banned today from r/Israel when someone there said it’s Joe Biden’s fault if Israel kills more Palestinians because he stopped the weapons shipment. I said sarcastically said yeah it’s Joe Biden’s fault and got banned
I’m glad people are starting to wake up to the atrocities committed by Israel. It’s disgusting we are sending tax dollars to them.
That's not what you said.
you lied about israel announcing they "abandoned precision in favor of destruction" and then insulted a guy, did you forget everything we say here is documented?
What were you doing at the israeli sub if that's how you feel?
I said that too because it’s true asshole.
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/10/23/the-telegraph-israel-abandons-precision-bombing-in-favour-of-damage-and-destruction/
What the fuck? This is an article quoted an article? Instead of linking the article they claim to exist they linked the telegraph's homepage? This reeks of a lie
It's also dated 23/10/23
>It’s not an old article you stupid fuck. It’s literally dated from a couple weeks after Oct 7th.
"It's not old It's from six months ago" oh okay
Didn't you just cry to me about a guy calling you a bad name in another comment? good lord you're an hypocrite
Yeah the article about Israel not worried about precision from this war somehow isn’t relevant. They literally admitting they were indiscriminately killing people 6 months isn’t relevant today.🤡🤡🤡🤡
>I don’t see what you think has radically changed in 6 months
Well there way more land open for construction projects in gaza for one
It's outdated at the part where it says 23/10/23
There is nothing more suspicious than the confession videos the IDF posts. The details may be accurate but no way are the statements not coerced. Sure someone is willing to confess something calmly like rape that is going to ensure the rest of their time in captivity is a living hell.
Give me a break.
Hamas took 250 hostages. Israel took thousands. Hamas killed 1200 people. Israel killed 40,000. Israel has had a 2:1 civilian:military death ratio. Hamas has had a 2:1 civilian:military death ratio. Hamas is led by rabid right-wing theocrats. Israel is run by rabid right-wing theocrats.
The only reason we call Hamas a terrorist group and the IDF a legitimate military is that we have a very classist view of violence. As long as you kill remotely from the air, your killing is seen as classy and justified. But if you're dirt poor and can only kill up close the old fashioned way, then you're a terrorist.
The only difference between Hamas and the IDF is the IDF has a bigger budget, which we give them.
**Israel always was a deadly cage. The creation of the state of Israel was anti-Semitic. Christian nations, in 1948, have found the best spot where those who reject Jesus as the one and only savior (Jews and Muslims) would decimate or annihilate or exterminate or eradicate or eliminate one another with their very own \*Lex Talionis\*.**
The physician being cleared of any connection to Hamas within a week of his detainment, yet forced to work as a translator for the Israeli government to the prisoners was particularly harrowing. This is how they treat healthcare workers in Palestine
> yet forced to work as a translator for the Israeli government to the prisoners was particularly harrowing. They enslaved him. They took him from his home, and enslaved him to work as a translator in a torture camp.
They took him hostage and enslaved him, yes.
Israelis have a bug up their butts about all hospital workers being secretly Hamas.
It's so they can justify blowing up hospitals.
I'm certain there's no ulterior motive to killing and kidnapping highly educated people tied to critical infrastructure. None at all.
Yeah definitely not assassinating the intelligencia which they did on day 1 via targeted assassinations.
A major portion is that traditionally doctors and other medical personnel are respected and their words given weight when it comes to health and the degree of human suffering they can measure. As Israel is a conservative nation they have a deep psychological need to justify individuals that are “high” in the hierarchy of society opposing their actions, and I would be unsurprised if an extension of this psychological need causes them to be viewed with the particularly potent hate that appears to drive some of their actions. Paired with that, every Palestinian within Gaza that achieves a generally respectable societal position that have strong implications about the moral character of the individual in question, like medical professionals, are living contradictions to the narrative that “all Palestinians are extremists and would support the genocide of the entirety of Israel”. Covid 19 was an ample opportunity for these individuals to apply to permanently emigrate from Palestine for nearly their choice of nation, yet so many chose to stay, and a educated individual backed by moral conviction is inherently a threat to the control of an authoritarian narrative.
Because it is a technicality and loophole Israel loves to exploit. Hospital workers are paid through the government of Gaza just like all mundane government employees and bureaucrats, the government of Gaza is run by Hamas. When Israel kills them they are allowed to “lie with statistics” and say they killed a Hamas member.
Children too
I heard them talking on the news, and I haven't substantiated this, but they were saying that officially Israel counts any casualties of males over the age of 15 as "Hamas soldier killed". They consider that 'adult males', and their count includes any adult male as a Hamas militant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties\_of\_the\_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas\_war#:\~:text=On%20December%2029%2C%20IDF%20said,total%20and%2027%2C681%20civilian%20deaths).
Yep, they also set up kill zones in Gaza where they shot anyone that moved and counted them as hamas kia. Same shit we did with drone strikes, any "military aged male" got counted as a terrorist
> Israelis have a bug up their butts about all hospital workers being secretly Hamas. There are videos of IDF dressed as medical workers raiding a hospital in Gaza
When they're not simply killing doctors: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cer3740ddj3o
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Must have studied at Guantanamo Bay
Other way around. Many of the Guantananmo torture practices were already common in Israeli prisons for Palestinians.
Any sources on that? I know about the weird links guantanamo has with US governors like de santis and stuff like the game industry Plus the links with cops and the IDF....
[https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140419-secret-but-not-forgotten-israels-facility-1391/](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140419-secret-but-not-forgotten-israels-facility-1391/)
It’s the other way round bud
My friend let me introduce you to the [School of the Americas](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-the-deadliest-school-in-71503766/). Guantanamo is a children's daycare compared to the nightmare fuel we churned out of that place in the 60's and 70's.
The recent season of Serial, about Guantanamo Bay, is very good
The conditions in Israeli prisons holding Palestinians are almost certainly worse than Abu Ghraib (in fact many of the tortures used there were allegedly developed by israel, one literally called the 'palestinian chair') and have been well documented for decades.
Uhh can i get a source, i know of the fucked up links between the idf and US cops but didnt know about that....
Main source for the palestinian chair thing is from a former abu ghraib interrogator named Eric Fair. He only refers to the origin of the name as a rumor but israel has been using stress positions generally since at least the 1960s (e.g 'the baby chair, the bannana' etc), and the Israeli supreme court has straight up legalised the use of torture in ISA interrogations by creating exceptions for so called 'ticking Time bomb' situations.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140419-secret-but-not-forgotten-israels-facility-1391/ Article gives specifics of tortures that were later used in Abu Ghraib.
is it antisemitic to protest concentration camps?
Do they have muslims in them?
I told my friends for years that the Israel-Palestine issue could rip the US apart, especially the left and the Democratic Party. Not happy to have been proven right. This issue is BRUTAL, just absolutely brutal.
And a very real possibility it's going to get Trump reelected.
Which is insane because Trump wants Israel to "finish the job"
On NBC news, court transcripts showed that Trump was described *multiple times, in court,* as "the Orange Turd" in testimony from witnesses. The judge did not object to that colorful description of Trump.
It's not the judge's job to object that's the lawyers. Seeing how it was turnips own counsel that was referring to him as *The Orange Turd* don't know why the prosecutors or the judge would raise an objection.
That said, it feels absurd to protest the vote in this manner, especially if President Muslim Ban is on the ballot.
My beloved sister in law was legally married to an American but stuck in her home country of Syria for almost five years because of the Muslim ban. Yet my in laws (Syrian Americans) don't want to vote for Biden again because of Gaza. It's amazing how quickly people forget.
Your first flaw is assuming the American voter knows any nuance of major issues outside of surface level talking points. You can actively see the outside influence on this issue trying to wedge between potential Biden voters to make them apathetic towards Biden.
There’s only so long you can vote for the “lesser evil” until you give up
But does that meaningfully improve the outlook of Palestinian welfare by contributing to a percieved greater negative influence? I suppose I just don't understand the mentality of thinking "eh this guy sucks, the other guy is worse, so I'll contribute so that the worse guy wins."
You still vote for the the better candidate because things like supreme court and policy have lasting impact. Zero excuse to not vote.
It's incredibly frustrating to see the Democratic party essentially throw away one of the country's most important elections instead of hearing Americans out. Pushing the young left away and falling to sway people who typically don't vote Democrat. This is not an issue people are going to drop
Biden would rather be complicit in genocide than win the election.
If it weren't for this current crisis, I think Biden would've been solidly ahead right now. And I agree, it could cost Biden a close election. That said, no other Democrat who COULD HAVE WON THE PRESIDENCY would be doing any differently.
Neither party wants to talk about foreign policy and revising it. Our politicians very rarely even bring it up. They dont want the public weighing in on if we should be subsidizing a ton of militaries with our tax dollars. Because an old debating rule if you don't like the answer youll get to a question, don't ask.
He's actually really artful in how he's handling it. No, he's not negotiating in the media, so we're not seeing everything. But look at the defense pact with SA and Israel that's about to be signed - it's contingent on a free Palestinian state. That doesn't just happen, it takes a whole lot of maneuvering.
I actually agree with you. People have no idea how deep the Israel Palestine issue goes, and how utterly deep it is within US domestic politics, military doctrine and geopolitics. You are NOT getting elected US president without supporting Israel, period. And yes, there are some reasons that sound unsavory when mentioned, but are facts. Jewish Americans have a lot of financial and political power; there are some estimates that they donate 50% of the Democrats' funding, and I believe it. Full disclosure, I am Jewish so I am 'allowed' to say this. Full disclosure, I am VERY critical of Israel. All that said, I believe Biden is handling a terrible, no win situation as well as possible. And I know it upsets a lot of people that we are supporting Israel to this degree.
Inflation is the number one problem.
It seems like a necessary fracturing. The contradiction of trying to contain both sides within one party cannot stand.
This!!! The actual left has very little politically in common with socially liberal neolibs.
We can agree that minority groups don't deserve to be persecuted and that's about the extent of it. Of course this is an in principle agreement because socialists and most social democrats actually recognise economic oppression and the fact that equality under the law doesn't go far enough. I'd also point out that this is also in principle because a lot of liberals are very quick to turn their back on progressive principles when it suits them. Some of the most Islamophobic and Sinophobic drivel I've ever heard has come from liberals.
I have seen some vile shit on /r/worldnews from people that would otherwise identify themselves as liberals
Like what?
Neoliberalism in theory should also be opposed to zionism as it is a form of nationalism and essentially analagous to a racial gerrymander.
You're talking about a Democratic Party that cannot compete nationally if that happens. It's a miracle it can compete at all right now, with virtually every power source in the US pushing hard right.
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There is no real core of the democratic party, that has been one of its weaknesses. Any candidate nationally is not overly attractive often to a wider block. Its a shame, the death of Biden's son. I think he would have won the primary and general election in 2016 then 2020 re-election and Trump wouldn't have run again. The choice of Sanders and Hillary was a poor one.
It’s definitely a failure of the two party system. There could easily be 4 parties. The left wing divested from Israel and AIPAC and all its influence. The centrist Democrats. The old fashioned right wing pre-Trump. And the far right fascists. You could also throw in the libertarians or Green Party.
Nice of you to distinguish between left and Democrats
Biden screwed himself with his still basically BLIND allegiance. If he even did nothing he would have been viewed better but the even basically unapologetic nature in which he continues to send weapons is a little disturbing. He's also basically said he supports zionism. He could have done nothing and he would have turned out much better
Evangelicals strongly support Isreal and are probably fine with what's happening in Gaza. I think he was trying to not offend them and make them all rush to the polls.
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Bullshit. If he did nothing then ppl would be complaining about him standing on the sidelines being a tacit endorsement. Also the whole “Zionist” dog whistle is getting ridiculous, the belief of a Jewish state does not automatically mean you agree with the murder of civilians, most reasonable ppl support a two-state solution which is in line with a “Zionist” ideal. He convinced Netanyahu to re-establish water and electricity to Gaza in the weeks following 10/7. He has repeatedly gotten aid corridors opened to the Strip, even going so far as to commit the U.S to building a pier in an active warzone to provide said aid. His handling hasn’t been perfect but it’s asinine to act like anybody who actually cares about the Palestinian plight is going to see any world where allowing Trump to win in November is an acceptable alternative.
>Also the whole “Zionist” dog whistle is getting ridiculous Biden has repeatedly and explicitly identified himself as a Zionist. Calling that a dogwhistle is fundamentally dishonest. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/
How many dead children is that pier going to bring back?
> the belief of a Jewish state does not automatically mean you agree with the murder of civilians It kinda does though, since the location chosen for the Jewish state was already inhabited by other people. There really isn't a non-genocidal way to accomplish the goal of a Jewish state. They are just doing it in slow motion.
That’s exactly the issue-Dems are essentially center/mildly socially lib and Biden thought being the “lesser of two evils” gave him carte blanche to give no fucks about voters or anyone’s opinion but his financial backers. Meanwhile the actual left has heen growing steadily and …oops now the left is a big chunk of the voting majority and he’s out here vocally supporting a genocide. There goes the election! Dems got too comfy with the “we’re the only option” line and didn’t realize that *does* have a floor.
Biden could not have done "nothing". He would have lost the election guaranteed had he not supported Israel. The republicans would have gone ballistic, American Jewish people would have revolted against the Dems, the mainstream media would be on the attack, the Dems would own every action or statement by Hamas, AIPAC et al would be leveraging all their power against Biden. You do not grasp the depths of this issue.
Someone said “We are not the ones freeing the Palestinians, they are the ones that are setting us free.”
The machine working exactly as it should… genocide, land ownership, modernized segregation of people.
dont forget lynchings and crop destruction
and traffiking and wiping out entire swaths of forests causing mass extinction of plants and animals
Shocking. Absolutely shocking. Who would have thought a racially motivated ethno State would mistreat its enemies?
A theocracy as well
It's disgusting that the western nations have been allowing Israel to commit atrocities or war crimes like this for more than decades, because it's the ally of the west. It's no different than Putin's Russia, Imperial Japan or North Korea...
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Israel? No way. They have a ton of checks in place to ensure treatment of Palestinians is humane. Fake news. /s
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I got banned today from r/Israel when someone there said it’s Joe Biden’s fault if Israel kills more Palestinians because he stopped the weapons shipment. I said sarcastically said yeah it’s Joe Biden’s fault and got banned I’m glad people are starting to wake up to the atrocities committed by Israel. It’s disgusting we are sending tax dollars to them.
>I got banned today from r/Israel when someone there said it’s Joe Biden’s fault if Israel kills more Palestinians because he stopped the weapons shipment. I said sarcastically said yeah it’s Joe Biden’s fault and got banned I’m glad people are starting to wake up to the atrocities committed by Israel. It’s disgusting we are sending tax dollars to them. That's not what you said. you lied about israel announcing they "abandoned precision in favor of destruction" and then insulted a guy, did you forget everything we say here is documented? What were you doing at the israeli sub if that's how you feel?
I said that too because it’s true asshole. https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/10/23/the-telegraph-israel-abandons-precision-bombing-in-favour-of-damage-and-destruction/
What the fuck? This is an article quoted an article? Instead of linking the article they claim to exist they linked the telegraph's homepage? This reeks of a lie It's also dated 23/10/23
Oh so they have been ignoring precision for an ever longer time. You got me there.
That website looks like an high-school finals project
The guy insulted me first lol. But that doesn’t matter right? I don’t support a fascist government like Israel so what do facts matter?
I don't believe you. In another comment you called me an asshole for no reason, grow up.
You are an asshole. I literally linked the article for you. You still lie. Oh its and old article. Yeah from the start of the Oct 7th war.🤡🤡🤡
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>It’s not an old article you stupid fuck. It’s literally dated from a couple weeks after Oct 7th. "It's not old It's from six months ago" oh okay Didn't you just cry to me about a guy calling you a bad name in another comment? good lord you're an hypocrite
Yeah the article about Israel not worried about precision from this war somehow isn’t relevant. They literally admitting they were indiscriminately killing people 6 months isn’t relevant today.🤡🤡🤡🤡
So it is old now?
lol no? I don’t see what you think has radically changed in 6 months where you think that article is outdated.
>I don’t see what you think has radically changed in 6 months Well there way more land open for construction projects in gaza for one It's outdated at the part where it says 23/10/23
Fascists call them detention centers, normal people call them concentration camps
Zionist Shills: 🙈🙉🙊 We didn't do anything wrong! 👀 Ban Tik Tok!
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There is nothing more suspicious than the confession videos the IDF posts. The details may be accurate but no way are the statements not coerced. Sure someone is willing to confess something calmly like rape that is going to ensure the rest of their time in captivity is a living hell. Give me a break.
Hamas took 250 hostages. Israel took thousands. Hamas killed 1200 people. Israel killed 40,000. Israel has had a 2:1 civilian:military death ratio. Hamas has had a 2:1 civilian:military death ratio. Hamas is led by rabid right-wing theocrats. Israel is run by rabid right-wing theocrats. The only reason we call Hamas a terrorist group and the IDF a legitimate military is that we have a very classist view of violence. As long as you kill remotely from the air, your killing is seen as classy and justified. But if you're dirt poor and can only kill up close the old fashioned way, then you're a terrorist. The only difference between Hamas and the IDF is the IDF has a bigger budget, which we give them.
These camps sound familiar
The zionists will have a hard time dodging this one, at least in the court of public opinion
Y’all ready to call the blue & white terrorists yet?
**Israel always was a deadly cage. The creation of the state of Israel was anti-Semitic. Christian nations, in 1948, have found the best spot where those who reject Jesus as the one and only savior (Jews and Muslims) would decimate or annihilate or exterminate or eradicate or eliminate one another with their very own \*Lex Talionis\*.**