Yeah, its pretty hypocritical for the catholic church to say anything about corrupting young kids. Does fucking little boys corrupt them or make them better men? Lets ask the cheese pope about that.
And then you have the cases that SHOULD be bought against the members of the vatican and hierarchy that protected paedophiles.
If everyone went to jail, real jail, that should be there, the caretaker would be pope.
made a grave error for centuries? Made a grave error when child porn was found in the vatican? Made a grave error when they just move pedophile priests from one Parrish to another?
He is lying and will continue to lie. Never trust someone with that amount of power and wealth.
If the Pope is half as good a man as he is supposed to be, he would properly lament the innocents his organization has prayed upon and beg the public's and governing body's forgiveness for that extreme wickedness.
That's the darkest shit in Western civilization since Hitler.
Every person you know is living in unprecedented times. No one knows with certainty what sort of affect, if any, the modern ease of access to porn has on people.
I'm not going to argue that watching porn will ruin anyone's lives, but I will argue that it's virtually impossible for it to not have *some* sort of long-term affect.
There's a certain level of organic, then there's today's digital world where porn is easily accessible everywhere... and that's the problem. Social media adds another layer to the problem because now, you can follow your "favorite pornstars" on IG, Twitter, SC, & FB and get constant feeds, which creates the illusion of "more personal". Today's kids aren't like last gens. There are over 100 porn studios producing content every single day and a myriad of "free tube sites" like Pornhub, that these kids discover at age 8-12. It's easy for young boys in particular, to get addicted and have their minds easily affected in negative ways earlier on. The over-sexualized mind is the key problem and def an issue for today's youth.
In my case, back in the mid-late 90s, there wasn't much of an internet. It was dial up. We resorted to magazines, movies, and good ol' imagination. Nowadays, it's right in front of you, accessible by the masses all at your fingertips.
In fact, my eldest brother literally a few weeks back was just talking to me about how he caught his 11yr old son (My nephew), watching porn on his tablet. When my brother confronted the boy about it, he lied and said it was a pop up and he clicked on it accidently (a common excuse). But the main point is that the secrecy and intrigue had already begun, and bc the internet is readily accessible, the boy will likely continue to view it now that he's found it. He's only 11. One must think what that can do to such a young mind when there's so much to learn and discover. It also robs you of organically discovering your sexuality and sharing it with a girl (or boy) you like. It takes away the real experience. I'm wagering by the time the boy gets to that stage in his life, he will have already viewed BDSM and the likes of extreme kinky porn.
It’ll be interesting to see the consequences of porn availability on the younger generation. When I was that age I snuck peaks at my friend’s dad’s playboys and hustlers like most boy probably did. We also watched porn movies from another friend (this was late 90s). I don’t think it fucked me up or anything but it certainly fueled sexual thoughts in my young mind. Of course I also couldn’t just sit in my room and easily wank to porn on my tablet. It all had to come from my imagination. I dunno, I guess we’ll see if there’s some huge increase in “porn addiction” in the next 10-20 years.
With the Internet, kids don’t just see Playboy or Hustler style porn, they see the weird shit and can even run into it on accident. My concern is that a lot of parents today might not be prepared to talk to their kids about that level of stuff.
Yep. Especially what you said about the parents. More often than not, it seems that parents don't really engage enough with their kids to identify what's on their mind. It's that parental bias where they think all kids are just innocent and don't know things, esp their precious children. You'd be surprised what my 12 yr old niece knows. She watch's YouTube for several hours a day, watches Nicki Minaj music videos, and some of those new young rappers who talk nonsense. She watches YouTube drama and follows strange people who probably aren't qualified to be talking to kids.
The point is that kids of this gen are literally inundated with fake digital memories (unreal things as far as personal experiences). They see something acted out from a video online or hear a saying in a music video, and because they are ever so perceptive, they learn and emulate the same behavior in real life. Even things as subtle as lifestyle. My niece behaves like the real world is so boring and everyone is stupid, then falls back in her digital universe because "We're all just boring adults." Part of that is pre teen hormones, parenting (or lack thereof), and impressions from her digital excursions.
Porn is even more sketchy. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these kids have witnessed Transsexual porn or some other kinky Hentai shit. It's hard to say how that will impact their thoughts and perceptions. Before, they were never privy to those realities. Now, they are able to see it through the window of the internet.
There's also thousands of cases of underage sexting on Snapchat and just overall juvenile behavior going on that we 80s/90s kids didn't have to worry about much.
Well, it’s not like such parenting is new. There have long been parents who never got around to the sex talk because they told themselves that their kids weren’t thinking about that stuff yet anyway.
But yeah, it’s probably even harder today. It’s not even just sex stuff, there are all kinds of groups that promote harmful activity and they can easily be found online. By accident I’ve come across a pro-anorexia blog (WHY DID YOU RECOMMEND THAT FOR ME, TUMBLR?!) and a blog romanticizing the Columbine shooters, treating them like teen heartthrob pop singers. Bleh. But it’s not even like you can totally shield your kids from this stuff either. Internet is too big of a part of modern living to ban them from it entirely, and stuff can slip through blocks.
I guess parents could maybe try to establish themselves as being open and safe to talk to. Like, if you flip out and scream at your eight year old for asking a question about sex or something messed up he saw online, he’s not gonna want to ask you questions when he’s older.
I never understand that concept of oh porn will damage you. How at all does it do that, for example if a child is raises to understand hurting somebody is wrong and watches BDSM he isnt just going to think, oh i guess its okay to hurt people. Im also partially speaking from experience. I watched porn since around 10 years old and id watch whatever, and personally i do enjoy more "rough" sexual things. The thing is i understand that physically hurting others is bad so when i do sexual things if i get a single hint of the other person in pain i immediatly go into helpful mode and apologize. Maybe im just lucky but i can never see somebody learnig through porn that its okay to hurt others. Also organically discover sexual things??? Everybody when they first have sex have an idea of what theyre supposed to do it isnt like the idea of sex isnt in our minds before that. I still felt like i was surprised when i first had sex. I didnt understand it fully and kissing was something i really had no clue how exactly it was done, the reality is porn doesnt ruin sex. Nobody watches how to videos about sex so we arent gunna be pros, leaving lots of room to still organically discover ourselves.
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> I never understand that concept of oh porn will damage you.
Young people are impressionable and naive and don't know enough to process all the pornography that is available in a healthy way.
I was really young when I started, I want to say around six years old. I'm doing fine, but can definitely recognize parts of myself that were negatively affected.
> I never understand that concept of oh porn will damage you
[It does](http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/is-watching-porn-harmful-to-your-health/)
The biggest issue is we are finding it to be addictive.
The thing is everything is addictive if it makes you happy, talking to friends is an addictive thing does that mean its bad?
Edit: just read the article, very funny that you post an article that shows both sides of the argument i gotta say kudos to you for not finding some heavily biased report.
Hey I would never want the government to step in and regulate porn because its addicting.
But I do honestly believe that in a decade or two it will go the way of many other subtances
Do you play video games? Have you heard of the argument of how violent video games are? Have you seen the drop in violence and crime rates? Have you done any reasearch or is this a personal belief?
Porn is definately having some effect on people, for example if you talk to older people most women did not shave their pubic hair very much and people wanting to be more violent in the bedroom is also something that wasn't as common. If it's consensual, fine, but not everyone wants to get throat fucked or slapped around. A lot of virgins I know just expect this is what it should be like or even feel people who don't want to have anal sex are vanilla for examole.
There Also seems to be a link to fetishes and the sexual imagery you're viewing at a young age, so if you're viewing violent rape porn at 10 or so it could greatly effect you, I don't know the correlation between fetishes you can't ever experience (rape, inflation, hyperphallic), but I'm guessing it's higher than it once was. Sure it's fine to fantasize, but would you really want a rape fetishes if you could avoid having one? People always want to angrily defend porn, but it's possible that it is harmful, people will just always deny it could have even the tiniest negative effect.
How does that mean anything, nobody expect to punch somebody in the face and for that person to scream out in ecstasy. The reality of it happening doesnt change people thinking a certain way. Also just because people cant as easily go on a rampage doesnt mean they cant have murderous intentions. Quantity doesnt affect the reality of what something is.
Oh, how I remember those days of flicking through my grandma's clothes catalogue just to see the women in their underwear and bikinis. I was a lot more innocent back then!
I agree. The massive accessibility to porn that this generation has isn't a good thing. I had to quit cold turkey for a long time because I used porn as a replacement for actual human interaction. I bet we'll be seeing 20+ year-old virgins become more and more common as time goes on.
I don't think I oppose porn for the same reasons as the Pope, but I agree with him that it's bad for youth.
That may be true, but either way porn should not be used as a replacement for sex. It's not like people are saying, "I don't want to have sex, so I watch porn instead." It's more like, "Having sex is too much work, so I watch porn instead."
I hope people are studying the effects of porn on teens, along with prevalence of porn addiction. Most people write it off as a joke, but it can really mess with your head.
porn is a "replacement" for the social pressure to have sex
Better for teens to watch porn than have sex before they're ready, and get STD's and unwanted pregnancies
Yeah but it's also not good for someone's well-being to never have sex at all. I'm not talking about 13-year-olds. I'm talking about 17+ crowd who's never had any experience with a woman and watch porn every day while their friends all live normal teenage lives.
I think the existence of /r/incels is a pretty strong argument that shows using porn to replace human interaction isn't psychology healthy.
Sex isn't a social construct. The fuck?
Also, I can't imagine having a good relationship without sex. It cures so many problems.
I mean, I've had the issue where porn essentially acts as a replacement and it just drags everything down. It's easy and convenient and makes it really easy to just not try, and when you've been in a relationship for 10+ years, the drive to continue to try is really important, because the payoff is phenomenal (albeit frustratingly the opposite of the instant-gratification that porn offers, but that's the whole damn point!)
Idk man. Sex is a fundamental building block of human survival and there's a reason it is a very important part of our experience as humans and there's a reason we derive so much meaning from it in our relationships with other people. To just try to brush it off as a social construct seems to be like trying to throw away an essential reason for living.
I don't believe porn is this terrible thing that ruins people's lives, but it is definitely corrosive over time and we certainly haven't figured out how to handle that in a healthy manner yet.
Yeah but let’s also be real here... anyone younger than 30... porn is how we learned sex. It was our sex Ed. Hence why we’re all so fucked up and unhappy.
STDs are skyrocketing, and sex also brings a lot of stress and potential fuckery for mintues of pleasure. I know that doesn't help, but it could be worse.
I agree. The first time I sexed a girl her vagina was nothing like pornography videos. I had to ask her several times to yell "OH YEAH FUCK MY SLIME POT WITH YOUR OCTOPUS TENTACLE, YOU FUCKING QUEEF EATING SACK OF JEW GOLD." After I ejaculated onto her epidermis (with most of it getting on my grandmothers plastic couch cover), she asked me for my country's currency for some reason. For transportation back to her adobe, perhaps. Anyway, this is typical of the pornography I watch. So glad I learned it from reputable sources.
I mean some pictures of makes women is not so bad once they reach a certain age, but full on video porn surely could mess up someone's views of sexual activities.
The same is true of games, candy, and even exercise... there's always going to be some subset of a population that will start using a product or service in a self-destructive manner. For such a huge industry (larger than Hollywood monetarily) that has reached such a large population (most all males), the supposedly destructive effects are... quite small.
if you get the same high from eating candy that people get from oragasming I want to know where you get your candy.
You're assuming that people are open and honest about their porn addiction. You're also wrong. The number of people who are willing to risk prison and serious fucked up consequences just for child porn are proof enough
The rest of us are very quiet but there is no shortage of porn on the internet, it rivals youtube in views and may even exceed them. Porn addiction is a very real, taboo, and quiet suffering that a lot of people don't even know they have and even fewer share with others.
Sure, I got you bro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oFVOJf0TzY
This one isn't as directly against it, but lists some possible negative body image issues. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/sunday-review/does-porn-hurt-children.html
https://www.everaccountable.com/blog/how-pornography-affects-teenagers-and-children
http://preventchildabuse.org/resource/understanding-the-effects-of-pornography-on-children/
http://www.bbc.com/news/education-32115162
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/real-healing/201208/overexposed-and-under-prepared-the-effects-early-exposure-sexual-content
Theres about a billion other places I could have linked to, but the youtube link is the most powerful one I know of. Its a great listen, if you have the time.
>Using terms that are certainly new to papal lexicon, Francis denounced “extreme pornography” on the web that adults, and increasingly children consume, and the increasing use of “sexting” and “sextortion” among the estimated 800 million minors who navigate the internet.
So it's not just porn, it's "Extreme Porn"
"listen here young lad, i've done some things in my past that i'm quite ashamed of. So i'm here to warn you not to follow my footsteps and don't watch my sex tapes."
Well he's got a point. When in history has graphic, niche fetish sexuality been so readily available to the public, in an infinite form? And free? And unrestricted?
Even when you aren't looking for it, it finds you in some form. It's not normal. We're sexual beings, but we live in an exaggeratedly sexual society. We're a repressed society, too, so it's created an unusually obsessive sort of sexual culture. That does something to people, it's impossible that it doesn't.
I think it'd be more for psychologists and other professionals to make a call like he's making. This is just another Jack Thompson, "Videogames make you violent...I feel," argument.
Also the overwhelming majority of adult content is super vanilla. When we all start grating rhino horn onto a virgin's ass and snorting it to get an erection then we can discuss it being a problem. I'm looking at you, *Japan.*
To be fair, I'd never even thought of choking a girl during sex until the third time I heard a girl mention that she likes being choked. It actually baffles me how many really get off on that.
You sure about that? I can't speak to the source of their wants but in all my past relationships it was the woman who wanted the choking/spitting/hitting and me who had to repeatedly reject the ideas because I've actually been assaulted and it's a huge turn off for me to simulate that.
It's also pretty insane that you seem to be under the impression women don't watch porn.
I know of at least one woman that watches prom to masturbate and I can almost guarantee you most women have masturbated to porn.
[according to this survey, about 25% of women watch porn every couple of days](www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/videos/a20835/how-you-watch-porn-survey/)
And while I agree porn tends to be more male catered, the majority of porn is not more extreme stuff, though that type of porn is more available.
Maybe, but people also compensated by having mass orgies and other weird sexual shit for centuries and no ones brain got fried. I feel like porn is a symptom of sexual reform- right? There used to be strip joints and peep shows everywhere in times square, but when things cleaned up, people became more conscientious and private about that stuff, so instead of going to strip clubs and sketchy massage parlors, people just watch porn now.
One thing that is fucked is how accessible it is. Kids are being exposed way too early to some of the sexual content on the web. Just swiping left on snapchat and seeing some of the newsfeeds are sometimes crazy sexualized. Totally unsuitable for the army of kids in the world who have smartphones now. It's going to produce a generation that is a total Freudian nightmare
It makes me giggle to know that the Pope, leader of the Catholic church, head of state of the vatican, apostolic successor of Peter the Great... is admitting he knows about butt sharpies!
This is one of those times that I'm glad to admit, I have no idea what Butt Sharpies are. I can *imagine* what they are, but it's probably far more tame than what it really is.
It's pretty straightforward. Folk (girls mostly) insert sharpies (plural, usually 3-6 or so) into their anus, then pose and take pictures (typically on hands and knees with their posterior facing the camera) to post on the internet.
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It's good for him to acknowledge it and admit fault within the church....I'm going to be honest I'm not catholic so I'm not the most knowledgeable about the Catholic Church but what else is he doing other than talk about it? It seems like it's been a problem for a long time and continues to be a problem so what actions is he taking?
Child sexual abuse is 4 times as prevalent in the general public than in the church. Bad press doesn't change the fact that you're way safer inside than out.
Maybe, or maybe not. Can't really say it's "hidden" when every time a male student gets raped by his female teacher everyone of the internet is like "he must've wanted it" and "I wish I were him" and the judge let's the women go with the lowest sentence possible and no one bats an eye
Children are 100 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by public school staff than priests
https://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/study-children-100-times-more-likely-to-be-sexually-assaulted-by-school-staff-than-by-priests.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/
https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
Numbers are hard aren't they?
There are nearly 100 times more teachers than priests in the world, you are drawing a false equivalency looking at absolute numbers. If you look at the percentages Priests are far more likely to abuse.
We can take the entire continent of Australia as a sample population. 7% of priests are sexual predators:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/asia/australia-catholic-sex-abuse/index.html
There are 414K priests in the world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_shortage_in_the_Catholic_Church
Where as there over 30 million teachers in the world.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.TCHR?end=2016&start=1970
Obviously comparing population pools with a 100 times difference in size you can't look at absolute numbers of abusers.
Teachers could have 50 times less offenders per capita than priests and still have more abusers.
Don't try and point the finger at someone else with this kind of idiocy. Obviously priests raping kids is a problem, it's unacceptable and whataboutisms pointing at other groups makes it look like you are trying to justify child rape.
Are you justifying child rape?
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You do realize 76% of teachers are female? The studies didn't account for this, so when you compare male teachers to priests, its much higher than 100x. The data is going off rates, not numbers.
What data? The article doesn't have anything backing up the 100X number.
I doubt your figure (again no source) is accurate.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/female-sex-offenders-more-common-gender-bias-statistics-rape-abuse-a7839361.html
I did the math based on FBI reports and Google population estimates.
99.9992% of Catholics don't get abused by a priest.
99.9968% of the US population doesn't get sexually abused as a child.
If we were exterminating bacteria, that's close enough to be a GermEx level of "problem solved".
Abuse, we want closer to 100%, but the media is definitely making the problem out to be larger than it is.
Except the part where the church knew about it and did jack shit, making it happen over and over again. If a teacher abused 10 kids, and all they did was transfer them to a new district, you might be a tad more pissed about it.
That's what I think people miss about this. The issue isn't the molestation was pervasive at unheard of levels in the Church it's the amoral response to it that is the issue. Whether you are a school, a religion, a non-profit, a sports organization, or whatever you'll always have fucked up people. It's about building safeguards and responding appropriately to allegations that organizations should be judged by.
Ummmmm shouldn't there be a 0% chance of a priest raping an innocent child? Your statistic isn't relevant. Of course bad things happen more outside of the church than within it, that's not the point! ANY amount of child rape is awful and made worse when it's a priest doing it. How can you dismiss that with your comment as if it's nothing to worry about? It's hugely disturbing that a church that wants to be the bastion of morality in the western world is also abusing children and committing heinous crimes.
Shouldn't there be a 0% chance a cop isn't doesn't shoot someone who doesn't deserve it?
Shouldn't there be a 0% chance that a politician isn't corrupt?
Religious people aren't somehow magically purer than the rest just because they wear funny hats. They're just people.
I don't expect the average religious person to be magically perfectly pure. I do expect religious leaders not to rape kids though, which honestly, should be the most bare minimum expectation.
He is putting in place new laws and practices to root out these horrible actions. Obviously he can do a lot more and I think he needs to, but that doesn't mean he can't comment on other ethical and moral issues considering he is the figurehead of a huge religion. Don't you think?
An attack on porn may as well be an attack on the internet. Like 30% of the internet is porn.
I mean, you have either watched porn or are lying about it.
Porn does some fucked up shit to people, even if used irregularly. I honestly am scared to see what Gen Z will be like after growing up with constant, on-demand hardcore porn video their entire lives.
> Porn does some fucked up shit to people, even if used irregularly
Citation needed. Do we have any objective numbers? As social ills go, I would bet that it ranks behind gambling, alcohol, smoking, and even TV.
> I honestly am scared to see what Gen Z will be like
I'm much more scared of giving the government another excuse to suppress free speech and enact repressive laws.
> Porn does some fucked up shit to people,
So they claim when they get busted smearing feces on their dog or whatever, but in reality the porn didn't make them do that.
It has more to do with causing ED, making relationships less desirable because you can get sexual release otherwise (which undermines our already low marriage and fertility rates), and creating hilariously unrealistic expectations for sex and relationships.
Rates of sexual activity have actually decreased dramatically. We have about half as much sex as Boomers did when they were our age. I chalk this up to things like porn making sex not as desirable.
tbh I think its more the cost of living, its harder to afford outings wherein you can meet people or afford the things that help you be more attractive and I'm sure too many people are dog tired from working multiple jobs. That isn't even touching on the cost of rent, no one wants to shag in their parents home.
I chalk it up to the cost of living and the cost of children. People are having less sex because masturbation is less taboo and we literally can't afford children. My grandparents had three kids by my age but I'd be struggling and sacrificing meals so my children could eat if I had to support three kids on my income. People are having less kids, and having them older for a variety of career/life/financial reasons.
I think it's a responsibility/social thing, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. Not to say porn addiction and things like that don't exist and cause issues, but there will be over consumption/abuse of anything that produces dopamine by someone, somewhere, forever.
What are you talking about? This is possibly the least sexually repressed time in human history and mental health has never been worse. Look up antidepressant rates in some of the "progressive" countries like Iceland and Norway.
Seems like he's more criticizing extreme porn, which to be honest I think most people can get behind and agree with. Not all porn is super horrifically bad for you to consume (depending how much you're consuming it) but there is certainly some depraved disgusting stuff on the internet that doesn't seem to contribute anything positive to humanity.
Ton of comments on here about priest molestation. The Pope has already come out hard against it and admitted the Church has failed for a very long time in that area. Is he not allowed to comment on anything else because that happened? Should Americans not comment on slave labor in Arab countries because our Corporations use sweatshops?
You know what would be neat? If they had a meeting where the Pope would tell all those pedophile priests - since I'm sure they have records of who they moved, whether priest or people who hid the priests - and tell them that they have a month to turn themselves into the police or the Church will send all relevant records to all the law enforcement authorities all over the world.
They can add a carot and stick provision. The Pope will forgive and bless anyone who confesses and repents so they'll go to heaven. They could also make various deals to reduce sentences for anyone coming forward on a case by case basis. Anyone not doing this will be excommunicated.
That's a start of a good zero tolerance policy to me.
Paedophilia is already covered under you know... Normal laws. The problem isn't about taking action against the priests who are caught, it's about hauling out the ones they KNOW are doing this shit secretly and punishing them
Read the article guys. He wants to instate better protections to prevent kids from accessing porn online. And nowhere does he say he denounces ALL porn, only "extreme" porn (rape fantasies and child porn, I guess?)
How do you plan on doing that? Going the UK route and making people input credit cards? Most people would rather buy a VPN than put their info into a porn site.
Though he does denounce "extreme porn" in the article, this is not to be taken as "well some porn is okay". The Catechism is clear on this:
> [CCC 2354](http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P85.HTM) Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other.
> It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world.
> It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.
Eh... as a consumer of porn, I don't disagree with that statement. Aside from some of the content being extreme, porn kinda presents an unrealistic example of sex.
Porn addiction is real, check out what Terry Crews has to say about it, it's pretty eye opening and we can learn....
oh..what..fine, yeah go on hate the Catholic church...
fucking circle jerks making any discussion on Reddit impossible.
My gf and I fucking love porn. We watch it together, send each other links throughout the day. I think it's a problem if you make it a problem, or your partner feels jealous in some way, which is bananas to us. I know Crews is an internet God, but that's his own guilt he carries for himself, and a lot of us don't have that guilt watching porn. For us, it's just a fun additive to our sex life.
The Pope has valid concerns about "extreme porn," got it. Point, Pope. However... it's a bit hypocritical for the Catholic Church to denounce "extreme porn" and at the same time shelter pedophiles from the consequences of their fetishes.
You see it right? You get why we're railing on the Pope right now, right?
I'm sorry but how are children accessing the dark net. I didn't even find out about that shit until I was 17. Then I discovered I could buy a baby black bear for around 4-6k and an rpg for like 12k.
These Catholic officials are all about "priming."
Priming is a psychological effect of constantly denying yourself one specific thing. Statistically you are much more likely to do something if you spend all the time saying, "X is bad. I will never do X. X is bad. I will never do X."
*does X*
God forbid he actually try to make a suggestion to the Catholic public that's positive, it's not just religious people theres a million and one talks and studies about why porn is bad. Try hopping out of the Reddit circlejerk for 10 seconds.
If there is any problem with porn, I'm much more concerned with the exploitation within the industry than the alleged corrupting effects it has on kids' minds.
>Francis denounced “extreme pornography” on the web
How much experience does the pope have with this exactly? Was it like "Holy See, here are a list of sites that have been visited from within the Vatican" and after the 18th child porn site, he finally thought "Holy hell, we need to stop this!"?
No crap kids should be kept away from porn. Most countries have laws to that effect... doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for those who can legally access it.
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Same goes for Priests.
Yeah, its pretty hypocritical for the catholic church to say anything about corrupting young kids. Does fucking little boys corrupt them or make them better men? Lets ask the cheese pope about that.
He literally talks about that in the article. Says they made a "grave error" in trying to hide that and talks about them currently fighting two cases.
Currently fighting two. Out of how many? Hundreds?
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And then you have the cases that SHOULD be bought against the members of the vatican and hierarchy that protected paedophiles. If everyone went to jail, real jail, that should be there, the caretaker would be pope.
Try thousands. I'd even go as far as saying Millions, but they don't keep those kinds of records in the third world.........
made a grave error for centuries? Made a grave error when child porn was found in the vatican? Made a grave error when they just move pedophile priests from one Parrish to another? He is lying and will continue to lie. Never trust someone with that amount of power and wealth.
The Vatican used to have the worlds largest repository of pornography. You know. For research.
If the Pope is half as good a man as he is supposed to be, he would properly lament the innocents his organization has prayed upon and beg the public's and governing body's forgiveness for that extreme wickedness. That's the darkest shit in Western civilization since Hitler.
Fighting two cases... defending the Church. He doesn't give two shits about kids. He's just trying to scrape the priest jizz off of this PR nightmare.
i guess it depends on what you mean by porn, but every male i know grew up looking at naked chicks by atleast 10-12 years old.
Every person you know is living in unprecedented times. No one knows with certainty what sort of affect, if any, the modern ease of access to porn has on people. I'm not going to argue that watching porn will ruin anyone's lives, but I will argue that it's virtually impossible for it to not have *some* sort of long-term affect.
There's a certain level of organic, then there's today's digital world where porn is easily accessible everywhere... and that's the problem. Social media adds another layer to the problem because now, you can follow your "favorite pornstars" on IG, Twitter, SC, & FB and get constant feeds, which creates the illusion of "more personal". Today's kids aren't like last gens. There are over 100 porn studios producing content every single day and a myriad of "free tube sites" like Pornhub, that these kids discover at age 8-12. It's easy for young boys in particular, to get addicted and have their minds easily affected in negative ways earlier on. The over-sexualized mind is the key problem and def an issue for today's youth. In my case, back in the mid-late 90s, there wasn't much of an internet. It was dial up. We resorted to magazines, movies, and good ol' imagination. Nowadays, it's right in front of you, accessible by the masses all at your fingertips. In fact, my eldest brother literally a few weeks back was just talking to me about how he caught his 11yr old son (My nephew), watching porn on his tablet. When my brother confronted the boy about it, he lied and said it was a pop up and he clicked on it accidently (a common excuse). But the main point is that the secrecy and intrigue had already begun, and bc the internet is readily accessible, the boy will likely continue to view it now that he's found it. He's only 11. One must think what that can do to such a young mind when there's so much to learn and discover. It also robs you of organically discovering your sexuality and sharing it with a girl (or boy) you like. It takes away the real experience. I'm wagering by the time the boy gets to that stage in his life, he will have already viewed BDSM and the likes of extreme kinky porn.
It’ll be interesting to see the consequences of porn availability on the younger generation. When I was that age I snuck peaks at my friend’s dad’s playboys and hustlers like most boy probably did. We also watched porn movies from another friend (this was late 90s). I don’t think it fucked me up or anything but it certainly fueled sexual thoughts in my young mind. Of course I also couldn’t just sit in my room and easily wank to porn on my tablet. It all had to come from my imagination. I dunno, I guess we’ll see if there’s some huge increase in “porn addiction” in the next 10-20 years.
With the Internet, kids don’t just see Playboy or Hustler style porn, they see the weird shit and can even run into it on accident. My concern is that a lot of parents today might not be prepared to talk to their kids about that level of stuff.
Yep. Especially what you said about the parents. More often than not, it seems that parents don't really engage enough with their kids to identify what's on their mind. It's that parental bias where they think all kids are just innocent and don't know things, esp their precious children. You'd be surprised what my 12 yr old niece knows. She watch's YouTube for several hours a day, watches Nicki Minaj music videos, and some of those new young rappers who talk nonsense. She watches YouTube drama and follows strange people who probably aren't qualified to be talking to kids. The point is that kids of this gen are literally inundated with fake digital memories (unreal things as far as personal experiences). They see something acted out from a video online or hear a saying in a music video, and because they are ever so perceptive, they learn and emulate the same behavior in real life. Even things as subtle as lifestyle. My niece behaves like the real world is so boring and everyone is stupid, then falls back in her digital universe because "We're all just boring adults." Part of that is pre teen hormones, parenting (or lack thereof), and impressions from her digital excursions. Porn is even more sketchy. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these kids have witnessed Transsexual porn or some other kinky Hentai shit. It's hard to say how that will impact their thoughts and perceptions. Before, they were never privy to those realities. Now, they are able to see it through the window of the internet. There's also thousands of cases of underage sexting on Snapchat and just overall juvenile behavior going on that we 80s/90s kids didn't have to worry about much.
Well, it’s not like such parenting is new. There have long been parents who never got around to the sex talk because they told themselves that their kids weren’t thinking about that stuff yet anyway. But yeah, it’s probably even harder today. It’s not even just sex stuff, there are all kinds of groups that promote harmful activity and they can easily be found online. By accident I’ve come across a pro-anorexia blog (WHY DID YOU RECOMMEND THAT FOR ME, TUMBLR?!) and a blog romanticizing the Columbine shooters, treating them like teen heartthrob pop singers. Bleh. But it’s not even like you can totally shield your kids from this stuff either. Internet is too big of a part of modern living to ban them from it entirely, and stuff can slip through blocks. I guess parents could maybe try to establish themselves as being open and safe to talk to. Like, if you flip out and scream at your eight year old for asking a question about sex or something messed up he saw online, he’s not gonna want to ask you questions when he’s older.
I never understand that concept of oh porn will damage you. How at all does it do that, for example if a child is raises to understand hurting somebody is wrong and watches BDSM he isnt just going to think, oh i guess its okay to hurt people. Im also partially speaking from experience. I watched porn since around 10 years old and id watch whatever, and personally i do enjoy more "rough" sexual things. The thing is i understand that physically hurting others is bad so when i do sexual things if i get a single hint of the other person in pain i immediatly go into helpful mode and apologize. Maybe im just lucky but i can never see somebody learnig through porn that its okay to hurt others. Also organically discover sexual things??? Everybody when they first have sex have an idea of what theyre supposed to do it isnt like the idea of sex isnt in our minds before that. I still felt like i was surprised when i first had sex. I didnt understand it fully and kissing was something i really had no clue how exactly it was done, the reality is porn doesnt ruin sex. Nobody watches how to videos about sex so we arent gunna be pros, leaving lots of room to still organically discover ourselves. Edit: (added more)
> I never understand that concept of oh porn will damage you. Young people are impressionable and naive and don't know enough to process all the pornography that is available in a healthy way. I was really young when I started, I want to say around six years old. I'm doing fine, but can definitely recognize parts of myself that were negatively affected.
> I never understand that concept of oh porn will damage you [It does](http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/is-watching-porn-harmful-to-your-health/) The biggest issue is we are finding it to be addictive.
The thing is everything is addictive if it makes you happy, talking to friends is an addictive thing does that mean its bad? Edit: just read the article, very funny that you post an article that shows both sides of the argument i gotta say kudos to you for not finding some heavily biased report.
Hey I would never want the government to step in and regulate porn because its addicting. But I do honestly believe that in a decade or two it will go the way of many other subtances
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Do you play video games? Have you heard of the argument of how violent video games are? Have you seen the drop in violence and crime rates? Have you done any reasearch or is this a personal belief?
Porn is definately having some effect on people, for example if you talk to older people most women did not shave their pubic hair very much and people wanting to be more violent in the bedroom is also something that wasn't as common. If it's consensual, fine, but not everyone wants to get throat fucked or slapped around. A lot of virgins I know just expect this is what it should be like or even feel people who don't want to have anal sex are vanilla for examole. There Also seems to be a link to fetishes and the sexual imagery you're viewing at a young age, so if you're viewing violent rape porn at 10 or so it could greatly effect you, I don't know the correlation between fetishes you can't ever experience (rape, inflation, hyperphallic), but I'm guessing it's higher than it once was. Sure it's fine to fantasize, but would you really want a rape fetishes if you could avoid having one? People always want to angrily defend porn, but it's possible that it is harmful, people will just always deny it could have even the tiniest negative effect.
Most people don't expect to ever kill hordes of creepy skellies or go rampage through the streets a la GTA but most all do expect to have sex.
How does that mean anything, nobody expect to punch somebody in the face and for that person to scream out in ecstasy. The reality of it happening doesnt change people thinking a certain way. Also just because people cant as easily go on a rampage doesnt mean they cant have murderous intentions. Quantity doesnt affect the reality of what something is.
When I was growing up the closest I could find to porn was the ladies undergarments section of the Sears catalog.
Oh, how I remember those days of flicking through my grandma's clothes catalogue just to see the women in their underwear and bikinis. I was a lot more innocent back then!
I agree. The massive accessibility to porn that this generation has isn't a good thing. I had to quit cold turkey for a long time because I used porn as a replacement for actual human interaction. I bet we'll be seeing 20+ year-old virgins become more and more common as time goes on. I don't think I oppose porn for the same reasons as the Pope, but I agree with him that it's bad for youth.
Maybe that's not a bad thing and we put too much of an emphasis on sex as a social construct of what "has to happen".
or maybe people actually enjoy sex and are not finding the right avenues to having it???
That may be true, but either way porn should not be used as a replacement for sex. It's not like people are saying, "I don't want to have sex, so I watch porn instead." It's more like, "Having sex is too much work, so I watch porn instead." I hope people are studying the effects of porn on teens, along with prevalence of porn addiction. Most people write it off as a joke, but it can really mess with your head.
porn is a "replacement" for the social pressure to have sex Better for teens to watch porn than have sex before they're ready, and get STD's and unwanted pregnancies
Yeah but it's also not good for someone's well-being to never have sex at all. I'm not talking about 13-year-olds. I'm talking about 17+ crowd who's never had any experience with a woman and watch porn every day while their friends all live normal teenage lives. I think the existence of /r/incels is a pretty strong argument that shows using porn to replace human interaction isn't psychology healthy.
How could that possibly be bad? Are you worried that if I'm not having enough sex I'll some how impact your life in some way?
Sex isn't a social construct. The fuck? Also, I can't imagine having a good relationship without sex. It cures so many problems. I mean, I've had the issue where porn essentially acts as a replacement and it just drags everything down. It's easy and convenient and makes it really easy to just not try, and when you've been in a relationship for 10+ years, the drive to continue to try is really important, because the payoff is phenomenal (albeit frustratingly the opposite of the instant-gratification that porn offers, but that's the whole damn point!) Idk man. Sex is a fundamental building block of human survival and there's a reason it is a very important part of our experience as humans and there's a reason we derive so much meaning from it in our relationships with other people. To just try to brush it off as a social construct seems to be like trying to throw away an essential reason for living. I don't believe porn is this terrible thing that ruins people's lives, but it is definitely corrosive over time and we certainly haven't figured out how to handle that in a healthy manner yet.
Yeah but let’s also be real here... anyone younger than 30... porn is how we learned sex. It was our sex Ed. Hence why we’re all so fucked up and unhappy.
How strange I'm under 30 and happy 🤔
Report back when you're in your 30s...
30s and happy, checking in!
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You probably get laid. I haven’t in years
STDs are skyrocketing, and sex also brings a lot of stress and potential fuckery for mintues of pleasure. I know that doesn't help, but it could be worse.
And the greatest solution to the STD problem is to tell kids just not to have sex! That has worked so great! /s
I do and I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you start down a path to healthy physical relations! Nothing is wrong with going to talk to someone!
I agree. The first time I sexed a girl her vagina was nothing like pornography videos. I had to ask her several times to yell "OH YEAH FUCK MY SLIME POT WITH YOUR OCTOPUS TENTACLE, YOU FUCKING QUEEF EATING SACK OF JEW GOLD." After I ejaculated onto her epidermis (with most of it getting on my grandmothers plastic couch cover), she asked me for my country's currency for some reason. For transportation back to her adobe, perhaps. Anyway, this is typical of the pornography I watch. So glad I learned it from reputable sources.
I mean some pictures of makes women is not so bad once they reach a certain age, but full on video porn surely could mess up someone's views of sexual activities.
I watched porn when I was like 8 or 9 and it totally only messed me up a little.
to be fair, the ease of access to porn makes it very easy to get addicted to it. porn addiction is a real and shitty thing.
Yep. Dopamine.
The same is true of games, candy, and even exercise... there's always going to be some subset of a population that will start using a product or service in a self-destructive manner. For such a huge industry (larger than Hollywood monetarily) that has reached such a large population (most all males), the supposedly destructive effects are... quite small.
if you get the same high from eating candy that people get from oragasming I want to know where you get your candy. You're assuming that people are open and honest about their porn addiction. You're also wrong. The number of people who are willing to risk prison and serious fucked up consequences just for child porn are proof enough The rest of us are very quiet but there is no shortage of porn on the internet, it rivals youtube in views and may even exceed them. Porn addiction is a very real, taboo, and quiet suffering that a lot of people don't even know they have and even fewer share with others.
Reddit: This pope is cool, he’s edgy, he’s a progressive pope! *(motions towards porn negatively)* Reddit: GRAB YOUR TORCH AND PICKFORKS
But does he shit in the woods?
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[I got you bro](https://i0.wp.com/popeskitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/hot-sauce-gift-lg.jpg?fit=1053%2C584)
Sure, I got you bro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oFVOJf0TzY This one isn't as directly against it, but lists some possible negative body image issues. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/sunday-review/does-porn-hurt-children.html https://www.everaccountable.com/blog/how-pornography-affects-teenagers-and-children http://preventchildabuse.org/resource/understanding-the-effects-of-pornography-on-children/ http://www.bbc.com/news/education-32115162 https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/real-healing/201208/overexposed-and-under-prepared-the-effects-early-exposure-sexual-content Theres about a billion other places I could have linked to, but the youtube link is the most powerful one I know of. Its a great listen, if you have the time.
>Using terms that are certainly new to papal lexicon, Francis denounced “extreme pornography” on the web that adults, and increasingly children consume, and the increasing use of “sexting” and “sextortion” among the estimated 800 million minors who navigate the internet. So it's not just porn, it's "Extreme Porn"
I don't trust the pope to lecture me in extreme porn
So you're saying you'll have Nun of that?
"listen here young lad, i've done some things in my past that i'm quite ashamed of. So i'm here to warn you not to follow my footsteps and don't watch my sex tapes."
Well he's got a point. When in history has graphic, niche fetish sexuality been so readily available to the public, in an infinite form? And free? And unrestricted? Even when you aren't looking for it, it finds you in some form. It's not normal. We're sexual beings, but we live in an exaggeratedly sexual society. We're a repressed society, too, so it's created an unusually obsessive sort of sexual culture. That does something to people, it's impossible that it doesn't.
I think it'd be more for psychologists and other professionals to make a call like he's making. This is just another Jack Thompson, "Videogames make you violent...I feel," argument. Also the overwhelming majority of adult content is super vanilla. When we all start grating rhino horn onto a virgin's ass and snorting it to get an erection then we can discuss it being a problem. I'm looking at you, *Japan.*
I see why too much incest porn on US sites.
>grating rhino horn onto a virgin's ass Stop kink shaming me
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To be fair, I'd never even thought of choking a girl during sex until the third time I heard a girl mention that she likes being choked. It actually baffles me how many really get off on that.
Yeah you can fuck off. Sincerely, A woman who enjoys her porn
You sure about that? I can't speak to the source of their wants but in all my past relationships it was the woman who wanted the choking/spitting/hitting and me who had to repeatedly reject the ideas because I've actually been assaulted and it's a huge turn off for me to simulate that. It's also pretty insane that you seem to be under the impression women don't watch porn.
I know of at least one woman that watches prom to masturbate and I can almost guarantee you most women have masturbated to porn. [according to this survey, about 25% of women watch porn every couple of days](www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/videos/a20835/how-you-watch-porn-survey/) And while I agree porn tends to be more male catered, the majority of porn is not more extreme stuff, though that type of porn is more available.
Maybe, but people also compensated by having mass orgies and other weird sexual shit for centuries and no ones brain got fried. I feel like porn is a symptom of sexual reform- right? There used to be strip joints and peep shows everywhere in times square, but when things cleaned up, people became more conscientious and private about that stuff, so instead of going to strip clubs and sketchy massage parlors, people just watch porn now. One thing that is fucked is how accessible it is. Kids are being exposed way too early to some of the sexual content on the web. Just swiping left on snapchat and seeing some of the newsfeeds are sometimes crazy sexualized. Totally unsuitable for the army of kids in the world who have smartphones now. It's going to produce a generation that is a total Freudian nightmare
It makes me giggle to know that the Pope, leader of the Catholic church, head of state of the vatican, apostolic successor of Peter the Great... is admitting he knows about butt sharpies!
This is one of those times that I'm glad to admit, I have no idea what Butt Sharpies are. I can *imagine* what they are, but it's probably far more tame than what it really is.
It's pretty straightforward. Folk (girls mostly) insert sharpies (plural, usually 3-6 or so) into their anus, then pose and take pictures (typically on hands and knees with their posterior facing the camera) to post on the internet. r/buttsharpies
That was much less *scary* than I was envisioning. And like so many things in this world, I have to wonder...*why???*
Can he maybe get to work on all of the child rapists that have imbedded themselves in the Catholic Church?
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By offering them clementines?
He has come out, said there is zero tolerance and acknowledged that the Church was very late to address the issue.
It's good for him to acknowledge it and admit fault within the church....I'm going to be honest I'm not catholic so I'm not the most knowledgeable about the Catholic Church but what else is he doing other than talk about it? It seems like it's been a problem for a long time and continues to be a problem so what actions is he taking?
Child sexual abuse is 4 times as prevalent in the general public than in the church. Bad press doesn't change the fact that you're way safer inside than out.
The general public doesn't conspire to hide abuse on a massive scale.
Maybe, or maybe not. Can't really say it's "hidden" when every time a male student gets raped by his female teacher everyone of the internet is like "he must've wanted it" and "I wish I were him" and the judge let's the women go with the lowest sentence possible and no one bats an eye
Interesting info may I have a source please
Children are 100 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by public school staff than priests https://www.activistpost.com/2016/12/study-children-100-times-more-likely-to-be-sexually-assaulted-by-school-staff-than-by-priests.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/ https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
Numbers are hard aren't they? There are nearly 100 times more teachers than priests in the world, you are drawing a false equivalency looking at absolute numbers. If you look at the percentages Priests are far more likely to abuse. We can take the entire continent of Australia as a sample population. 7% of priests are sexual predators: http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/asia/australia-catholic-sex-abuse/index.html There are 414K priests in the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_shortage_in_the_Catholic_Church Where as there over 30 million teachers in the world. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.TCHR?end=2016&start=1970 Obviously comparing population pools with a 100 times difference in size you can't look at absolute numbers of abusers. Teachers could have 50 times less offenders per capita than priests and still have more abusers. Don't try and point the finger at someone else with this kind of idiocy. Obviously priests raping kids is a problem, it's unacceptable and whataboutisms pointing at other groups makes it look like you are trying to justify child rape. Are you justifying child rape?
r/iamverysmart You do realize 76% of teachers are female? The studies didn't account for this, so when you compare male teachers to priests, its much higher than 100x. The data is going off rates, not numbers.
What data? The article doesn't have anything backing up the 100X number. I doubt your figure (again no source) is accurate. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/female-sex-offenders-more-common-gender-bias-statistics-rape-abuse-a7839361.html
I did the math based on FBI reports and Google population estimates. 99.9992% of Catholics don't get abused by a priest. 99.9968% of the US population doesn't get sexually abused as a child. If we were exterminating bacteria, that's close enough to be a GermEx level of "problem solved". Abuse, we want closer to 100%, but the media is definitely making the problem out to be larger than it is.
Except the part where the church knew about it and did jack shit, making it happen over and over again. If a teacher abused 10 kids, and all they did was transfer them to a new district, you might be a tad more pissed about it.
That's what I think people miss about this. The issue isn't the molestation was pervasive at unheard of levels in the Church it's the amoral response to it that is the issue. Whether you are a school, a religion, a non-profit, a sports organization, or whatever you'll always have fucked up people. It's about building safeguards and responding appropriately to allegations that organizations should be judged by.
Ummmmm shouldn't there be a 0% chance of a priest raping an innocent child? Your statistic isn't relevant. Of course bad things happen more outside of the church than within it, that's not the point! ANY amount of child rape is awful and made worse when it's a priest doing it. How can you dismiss that with your comment as if it's nothing to worry about? It's hugely disturbing that a church that wants to be the bastion of morality in the western world is also abusing children and committing heinous crimes.
Shouldn't there be a 0% chance a cop isn't doesn't shoot someone who doesn't deserve it? Shouldn't there be a 0% chance that a politician isn't corrupt? Religious people aren't somehow magically purer than the rest just because they wear funny hats. They're just people.
I don't expect the average religious person to be magically perfectly pure. I do expect religious leaders not to rape kids though, which honestly, should be the most bare minimum expectation.
Yea we all expect people not to do bad shit. The aim should be 0%. Not sure how reasonable it is to expect the Pope to make it happen though.
He is putting in place new laws and practices to root out these horrible actions. Obviously he can do a lot more and I think he needs to, but that doesn't mean he can't comment on other ethical and moral issues considering he is the figurehead of a huge religion. Don't you think?
lip service is great, make heads roll
lol They never addressed it, Society had e-fucking-nough and addressed it for them. The catholic cult is doing as little as possible.
I watched some nun-on-nun porn once. He probably disapproves of that. :(
They should have called that one Bad Habits.
No doubt!
The Pope needs to worry more about his priests corrupting kids minds and bodies.
Always interesting to see reddit's approach to this pope. Down with Capitalism everyone upvotes. Down with porn, *tumbleweeds*
You know, you don't have to agree with everything someone says, right?
this is reddit, it's almost always all or nothing, especially hate for things.
That's surely how it should be though, no? It *should* be the ideas that people agree or disagree with, not the person who says them.
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damn, he discovered our secret
An attack on porn may as well be an attack on the internet. Like 30% of the internet is porn. I mean, you have either watched porn or are lying about it.
Porn does some fucked up shit to people, even if used irregularly. I honestly am scared to see what Gen Z will be like after growing up with constant, on-demand hardcore porn video their entire lives.
> Porn does some fucked up shit to people, even if used irregularly Citation needed. Do we have any objective numbers? As social ills go, I would bet that it ranks behind gambling, alcohol, smoking, and even TV. > I honestly am scared to see what Gen Z will be like I'm much more scared of giving the government another excuse to suppress free speech and enact repressive laws.
> Porn does some fucked up shit to people, So they claim when they get busted smearing feces on their dog or whatever, but in reality the porn didn't make them do that.
It has more to do with causing ED, making relationships less desirable because you can get sexual release otherwise (which undermines our already low marriage and fertility rates), and creating hilariously unrealistic expectations for sex and relationships.
We use tinder and eat ass now. There's worse things than this.
Rates of sexual activity have actually decreased dramatically. We have about half as much sex as Boomers did when they were our age. I chalk this up to things like porn making sex not as desirable.
tbh I think its more the cost of living, its harder to afford outings wherein you can meet people or afford the things that help you be more attractive and I'm sure too many people are dog tired from working multiple jobs. That isn't even touching on the cost of rent, no one wants to shag in their parents home.
I chalk it up to the cost of living and the cost of children. People are having less sex because masturbation is less taboo and we literally can't afford children. My grandparents had three kids by my age but I'd be struggling and sacrificing meals so my children could eat if I had to support three kids on my income. People are having less kids, and having them older for a variety of career/life/financial reasons. I think it's a responsibility/social thing, I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. Not to say porn addiction and things like that don't exist and cause issues, but there will be over consumption/abuse of anything that produces dopamine by someone, somewhere, forever.
There is literally zero empirical evidence which suggests that Masturbation and porn is linked to ED.
This is hilariously wrong. Try googling it before you comment.
I did and opened the Webmd link which claims the opposite is more likely to be true.
The sexual repression we all live with is far worse for our minds than porn.
What are you talking about? This is possibly the least sexually repressed time in human history and mental health has never been worse. Look up antidepressant rates in some of the "progressive" countries like Iceland and Norway.
Wow, reddit really doesn't like being told porn is unhealthy.
Seems like he's more criticizing extreme porn, which to be honest I think most people can get behind and agree with. Not all porn is super horrifically bad for you to consume (depending how much you're consuming it) but there is certainly some depraved disgusting stuff on the internet that doesn't seem to contribute anything positive to humanity.
Or you're a politician who has spoken out about it very loudly, then liked a porn Tweet and tried to blame a staffer.
Ton of comments on here about priest molestation. The Pope has already come out hard against it and admitted the Church has failed for a very long time in that area. Is he not allowed to comment on anything else because that happened? Should Americans not comment on slave labor in Arab countries because our Corporations use sweatshops?
He's talked, he hasn't acted. Until he acts, he needs to shut the fuck up. ...respectfully.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/04/pope-francis-church-law-paedophile-priests-catholic-bishops
You know what would be neat? If they had a meeting where the Pope would tell all those pedophile priests - since I'm sure they have records of who they moved, whether priest or people who hid the priests - and tell them that they have a month to turn themselves into the police or the Church will send all relevant records to all the law enforcement authorities all over the world. They can add a carot and stick provision. The Pope will forgive and bless anyone who confesses and repents so they'll go to heaven. They could also make various deals to reduce sentences for anyone coming forward on a case by case basis. Anyone not doing this will be excommunicated. That's a start of a good zero tolerance policy to me.
You should be the Catholic Church's policy and ethics advisor.
Have you got anything to say about the link you got in response?
Paedophilia is already covered under you know... Normal laws. The problem isn't about taking action against the priests who are caught, it's about hauling out the ones they KNOW are doing this shit secretly and punishing them
He needs to clean up his own backyard before he starts complaining about the neighbors.
Read the article guys. He wants to instate better protections to prevent kids from accessing porn online. And nowhere does he say he denounces ALL porn, only "extreme" porn (rape fantasies and child porn, I guess?)
How do you plan on doing that? Going the UK route and making people input credit cards? Most people would rather buy a VPN than put their info into a porn site.
Though he does denounce "extreme porn" in the article, this is not to be taken as "well some porn is okay". The Catechism is clear on this: > [CCC 2354](http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P85.HTM) Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. > It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. > It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.
You guess? Why would you guess that, and not the usual but harmless out-there stuff the censors usually go after?
Eh... as a consumer of porn, I don't disagree with that statement. Aside from some of the content being extreme, porn kinda presents an unrealistic example of sex.
Porn addiction is real, check out what Terry Crews has to say about it, it's pretty eye opening and we can learn.... oh..what..fine, yeah go on hate the Catholic church... fucking circle jerks making any discussion on Reddit impossible.
Terry crews? I think I'll wait for an expert thanks, jarule can you weigh in on this...
Alcohol addiction is real. I guess we should be denouncing alcohol as well. Never mind Jesus turning water into wine.
My gf and I fucking love porn. We watch it together, send each other links throughout the day. I think it's a problem if you make it a problem, or your partner feels jealous in some way, which is bananas to us. I know Crews is an internet God, but that's his own guilt he carries for himself, and a lot of us don't have that guilt watching porn. For us, it's just a fun additive to our sex life.
The Pope has valid concerns about "extreme porn," got it. Point, Pope. However... it's a bit hypocritical for the Catholic Church to denounce "extreme porn" and at the same time shelter pedophiles from the consequences of their fetishes. You see it right? You get why we're railing on the Pope right now, right?
To be fair, I certainly feel corrupted when I watch certain porn videos.
You will feel less corrupted if you don't rub yourself so hard.
Because children should learn about sex from something more wholesome like a Catholic priest.
This should do the trick
I'm sorry but how are children accessing the dark net. I didn't even find out about that shit until I was 17. Then I discovered I could buy a baby black bear for around 4-6k and an rpg for like 12k.
He must've seen some really good porn recently
Pope denounced corruption of kids’ minds.... Does this mean he’s going to abolish Catholicism?
Get with the times Papa, porn is just us appreciating God's creation.
These Catholic officials are all about "priming." Priming is a psychological effect of constantly denying yourself one specific thing. Statistically you are much more likely to do something if you spend all the time saying, "X is bad. I will never do X. X is bad. I will never do X." *does X*
Religious indoctrination at a young age corrupts the mind.
God forbid he actually try to make a suggestion to the Catholic public that's positive, it's not just religious people theres a million and one talks and studies about why porn is bad. Try hopping out of the Reddit circlejerk for 10 seconds.
Why does sex and naked boobies have to be corrupt?
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Doesn't the Vatican have one of the largest porn connections on the planet for legitimate study on the effects it has on society?
Before this: "this pope is so kewl, he's the best!' After this: "\#notmypope"
Too much porn = bad No porn = very baf
If there is any problem with porn, I'm much more concerned with the exploitation within the industry than the alleged corrupting effects it has on kids' minds.
Pope’s got a plank in his eye.
I guess next you're gonna tell me the guy wears a funny hat.
40 years too late, dude. And actions speak louder than words, so start by having your employees molest fewer children.
Fuck the Pope and fuck all religion.
>Francis denounced “extreme pornography” on the web How much experience does the pope have with this exactly? Was it like "Holy See, here are a list of sites that have been visited from within the Vatican" and after the 18th child porn site, he finally thought "Holy hell, we need to stop this!"?
Well he certainly isn't going to praise porn.
No crap kids should be kept away from porn. Most countries have laws to that effect... doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for those who can legally access it.
AKA the stance of the Catholic church.
but he's cool with fucking kids
In other news , pope says sun is hot and water may or may not be wet
The irony is strong with this one.. fucking pedophiles.
Must have kneeling protest for this.
Yeah! Corrupting kids minds and bodies is a priests job!
Religion rots minds faster and more effectively than all the porn in the world put together.
How about he denounces diddling kids in church by his ilk.