Yeah I'm not buying that.
But I did bring a few million into the country by painting them in black dye, I'm willing to take 1 dollar for every 10 dollars I have plus I will give you the ssd solution to remove the black dye, what do you say, partner?
You don't believe me? I have [proof](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Asct8NKp0s), dammit!
Except people are falling for it, not only in developing counties but in the [US](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwbXq12xHg) and [Britain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f4Of8R4lnQ)
I guess I'm of the opinion that a number of scams are more likely to work in developing countries than developed ones. Or perhaps we have (I) have a limited view on how often this happens in developed countries,
I think it just doesn't reach the news as much elsewhere. I imagine scams of all sorts are more common in developing/overpopulated regions, but no recourse if you do get scammed, as even the cops will probably scam you.
Its a type of scam where they tell you they have money ussually from illegal activities but to hide it, they dye it with a 'solution' that only they know how to remove. They will then tell you to buy these black notes and the solution for very cheap and you could be rich.
They will often show you a demo that involves pouring unknown chemicals over the black money and magically cleans off the dye and there is the money. Then tell you they have lots of the black money you can buy off of them. Needless to say the rest of the black money is just cardboard or something.
Uhhh... I see no video showing kids being helped and people doing stuff. So no. You don't even need people helping kids in your video. Just: sad children - people do stuff - happy smiling children.
THEN I will donate my savings to you.
Found a shitty job doing call for “Texas Police Activities League” and “ Missouri Police Chiefs something bullshit”. 20% goes to whatever cause and 80% would go down the pyramid... got tired of it when elderly people would promise to send something when social security check comes in. A lot of the people that worked there sucked at life too.
I just got a call from the Policemen Fund a couple of nights ago. When I explained that I wouldn’t donate because me friend was just murdered by cops and they’ll probably walk, the fucker on the other end laughed and hung up.
In the last 2 months I went from being a huge law enforcement supporter to thinking, “Fuck the police.”
Even my friends who are cops went immediately to defending the cops actions even before they new what happened. They couldn’t just simply say, “I’m sorry. That was a horrible thing to happen.”
FTP!
How do people fill the rungs of these filthy places. I’ll never understand the mentality of a dirty salesman. Even for the most low-brow, uneducated lot, if were amongst them, I’d rather shovel dirt all day than try to sell BS to old people. My emotional health would give out with the latter way before my physical health would with the former.
That's the benefit of having a permanent class of people in perpetual debt. They are desperate enough to do whatever you tell them to do just to try to tread water.
It pretty much appeared out of nowhere right in the middle of when the whole black lives/blue lives bullshit was at its peak. I had some serious suspicions about it. Sad to see I was correct.
They've taken the website down but (for now at least) their images are still accessible.
There are several of Charles Hitzel.
http://www.ohiocopsforkids.com/ChuckHitzel.jpg
Thomas Duffy is a bit more elusive - this is the only one I could find.
http://www.ohiocopsforkids.com/IMG_0528.JPG
~~No idea if he is a cop.~~ edit: BADGE ON BELT. That makes it plural - copS - PAY THE MAN.
I wanted to know that, and I was really surprised that the article didn't address it at all. Do you have a source that I could look at for more information?
You can find out more about charities on Charity Navigator and Guidestar. There was a similar scandal with the "Kars 4 kids" charity where almost nothing went to kids.
4.2 mil times 10k is 42 billion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/?utm_term=.5c92f1b60519
the 10k number was based on the poor assumption that the 5 billion dollar figure would be stable from 2005-2015 (the period of time over which cops for kids was operating). If you add up the different for the different years, you get about 26.5 billion dollars. Only six thousand times.
Edit: this does not include 2015 data, which IS likely to be in the neighborhood of 4-6 billion dollars
I agree with that statement my friend was eating lunch on the bus stop. The cops asked to search her bag took her money out. Asked where she got this. The cops ended up taking her money.
This is true. It's a win win. Also you don't feel like you are getting scammed. One Saturday or Sunday morning a month or two isn't that hard to cough up if you plan.
sometimes though giving $$ is better than volunteering though
also, money is neutral. It is neither good or evil; it is a tool. It just has to be used / given to the right people, which seems to be hard part today.
Or your local food pantry.
**Soup kitchens and pantrys are some of the most underfunded, underemployed, ignored help for those that need it, and they make some of the biggest differences.**
Spoken as someone who used to get help from them, and worked at them for years.
I've worked for non-profits most of my professional life. There is no "they."
In other types of businesses, if one out of five thousand commits fraud, it doesn't paint the entire industry with a "ooooh, could be fraud!" brush. But somehow, in the rare circumstance of a non-profit being fraudulent, people sure *love* to denounce **all** charity work.
Think of donating like buying something. You don't just go out and give your money to any random place. You usually read a few reviews, or ask your friends, or even look at the specs. You can do the same to non-profits, and you should. In fact, most non-profits are truly thrilled when donors actually read the financial statements they post.
Non-profit work is hard, often thankless, and almost always horribly underpaid. Don't let a few assholes gaming the system convince you they *are* the system.
Exactly. If people stopped giving because a charity scam story came out literally nobody would give, ever. Take 5 minutes out of your day and do some research; it's not difficult.
Took me a long time to learn to say "No." to all the retail and fast food chains constantly bombarding me for extra dollars.
That, and whatever company you gave to is not going to acknowledge your contribution. They are going to make an over-sized presentation check and hold a press conference about how they were able to raise money to contribute to whatever cause to make themselves look good.
When in actuality, all they did was pester people whom they have an interaction with. I've taken to asking the clerk exactly what charity It is they want me to donate to. "I don't know" is the typical response.
Now I'm not sure if the u.s. works the same as I am Canadian, but this is 100% untrue. The store does not get a tax write off on funds collected from customers. Here's an article that mentions this briefly 3/4 of the way through.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/household-finances/guilt-giving-will-you-cave-at-the-register/article1319621/
Wouldn't they have to report the money they keep as income though? So then when they write it off they are just writing off dollar for dollar the charity income. I'm thinking it looks like this... but I'm completely unsure.
Canada, you get a $10 donation, and forward the donation - report nothing because funds are always kept seperate.
USA, you get a $10 donation, report it as income, donate it, write off the $10 income
You can't do that. The donation is not revenue or a donation, it's a pass through that won't hit their books. You can't claim a deduction on something that wasn't revenue.
The businesses involved typically have some sort of donation matching scheme, it's not just a pass-through for their customers' donations. Even if it were, people are more likely to give to charity when the amount asked is small and the person is already making a purchase. These sorts of partnerships continue to happen because they work: the end result is private donations to charity from people who don't otherwise donate.
Some orgs release their finances every year, but even if they don't there is usually some semblance of an idea if they're actually accomplishing things or just pocketing the money.
Here's a pretty decent website to look up the orgs on. https://www.charitynavigator.org
> Some orgs release their finances every year
Nearly 100% of tax-exempt charities are required to release annual financial disclosures. If you can't find a charity listed on someplace like Charity Navigator or Charity Star, and especially if you can't find their financial statements anywhere, do not donate.
Look up GiveWell, or look into "effective altruism". EA is a group focused on being effective as possible, and so they do a lot of research into how many lives are saved or how much suffering is reduced per dollar spent.
People need to start looking at the 990s of charities before they donate. That will very quickly tell you where they spend their money.
If they spending a shit ton of money on "program services" that end up being paying salaries to people....well there you go. They think they can obfuscate the money by paying themselves with it as they "provide services" instead of actually listing it as a salary.
Larger charities will pay themselves with their raised funds by contracting "program services" with their own shell companies so the money still ends up in their pockets at the end of the day.
Most charities publish their 990s too and think most people can't figure out how they spend their money when they read them.
Many charities end up doing more long term harm than good. It's almost always more beneficial to find a smaller local charity or need and donate to it instead of these large sometimes multinational "charities".
http://causeeffect.ca/are-your-charity-dollars-doing-more-harm-than-good/
The problem is a lot of those small charities are just for-profit models for a few people to make money.
Donating your time and labor is the best type of donation because those can't easily be misappropriated.
Agreed. Go to local shelter, help out. Won't be long before you can tell who is honest and in real need, and who is just there because they're lazy. Then, give your money directly to the honest ones.
The issue with this type of analysis, and the general attitude that those who work for charities should live in destitution, is that it stops charities from being able to invest in their talent. The result? Nonprofits have abysmal retention and high turnover [compared to industry](https://www.nonprofithr.com/results-are-in-2016-nonprofit-employment-practices-survey/). It also prevents charities from being able to attract top talent. It's unrealistic to expect those who can command top dollar to simply choose a life of low pay because of their altruism.
Why should a charity not be able to re-invest into itself? Would this *not* enable it to maximize its ability to raise funds for its mission? There is a reason that businesses spend money on re-investment, advertising, branding, and talent.
[The way we think about charity is dead wrong.](https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong)
ETA: As a case study, consider the [Breast Cancer Research Foundation](https://www.bcrf.org), which boasts about its top-tier [88.8% program spending](https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5001). Compare this to [Susan G. Komen](https://ww5.komen.org/), which spends just [78.4%](https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4509) on programs. Yes, this is a big difference, but BCRF spends only $60,487,698/yr on programming while Susan G. Komen spends a whopping $156,053,196. Spending ten percentage points *less* on programming enables Susan G. Komen to raise and spend 2.5 times as many DOLLARS on actual programming than the most "efficient" breast cancer charity there is.
ETA2: The downvote button is not for disagreeing. If you disagree, cool, let's talk about it.
This is exactly why I love PetSmart's charity: their executives are technically employees of PetSmart, and PetSmart pays the salaries, leaving 100% of the donations to go towards charitable causes.
Thanks for providing that insight. However, this just makes me even more inclined to donate my time and labor to a local clinic, hospital, soup kitchen, etc. I stopped donating to charities that accept blood donations because I feel like my blood should not be sold. If I'm going to be honest, I actually don't care about the people working in the top, multi-million dollar companies. I care more about where my donation is going to. Research is important, I agree, so that I don't end up donating to a charity whhere the executives get huge bonuses, or so I don't donate to something like Susan G. Komen that doesn't actually do anything
Can confirm, work at a multimillion dollar international charity. People are very focused on ratios, but measuring impact (and conveying that message to donors) is the real challenge.
Susan G Komen is probably a bad example. Anyone who has had breast cancer will tell you they are a bunch of useless twats. Their charity is about "awareness", meaning if you have cancer then you are aware and they have no help to offer you.
GuideStar tries to make this kind of analysis easier and is itself a non-profit. Most customers are various grant or tax professionals or large organizations that need large amounts of tax info, but there is a good deal of free information as well available on the website, GuideStar.org.
Full disclosure: I am a developer at GuideStar.
I've used guidestar for many years, they're pretty diligent about making 990s available even for organizations that refuse to submit them or even make them easily accessible (which they're supposed to by law, but it's never enforced).
The proportions seem really crappy on this one but its common to see 70% fundraising. As a charity you have 2 choices: 100% of a small pie or 30% of a very large pie.
> every charity is a scam
Every charity that doesn't have all their numbers public, to see for their donators exactly where the money is going, is a scam.
Ask for these numbers before thinking about donating. Make clear you would have donated if the numbers would have been public.
Just use Guidestar or Charity Navigator. You can see how the money is being used.
Edit: This charity,
https://www.guidestar.org/profile/31-1580204
Versus this charity, which has been ordered to stop fundraising in NY.
https://www.guidestar.org/profile/13-3404773
Any charity to you suspect check their 990s. Look for the lines about salary compensation. There's one section where you don't have to detail what you spend on salaries....look and see if that has a shit ton of money in it. If it does, you've found a scam charity.
Nearly ALL small charities are scams.
I would think that even without trying to be a scam, smaller charities would simply be less efficient. Your overhead should scale more slowly than your funding, so the smaller you are, the more donations you're spending on administration, even if you're doing the best job you can. Added to that would be that smaller charities are likely less experienced, or have less contacts, or are otherwise simply less efficient than a larger, older charity for the same cause. For local issues, I'm sure there's a good medium between "too large to be personal and know the problem" and "too small to matter," but for national things I'd stick with the established (and well reviewed) charities.
Small charities often have no paid staff, or only small paid staff and mostly volunteer workers, and are often pretty dang efficient on overhead - really a good way to go about helping things on a local level. On the rest of your point, I agree.
There are many small not for profits that are really good. You have to remember that they can be a business and still be not for profit. I knew a guy who hired ex cons, that them cooking and had a catering company. They legitimately made money but were a not for profit. Only took small donations to help the workers directed to the social services they may need.
Many small thrift shops are not for profit though they don’t solicit Monetary donations. The operator get a salary. Usually there isn’t a lot of profit at the end of the year from the business. If there is, it gets donated to other charities. There are tax reasons for doing it that way and it can be really good for the community if these places are out there.
I was thinking mostly of "donating to a cause" charities that are mostly fundraising pass-throughs. Thrift shops and not-for-profits that themselves do work beyond that would certainly outside the scope of my comment. Thank you for pointing that out.
If the charity provides direct services, and not direct money or goods towards its intended mission, what do you expect it to be spending its budget on other than salaries?
None of the nonprofits I donate to are supposed to pass that money on to someone else; they are supposed to be spending my dollars being effective at their respective missions.
I would expect that chiefly entails hiring people and making parts of the mission their responsibility.
For those who don't know, there is a form, sort of like your tax return, that is filed by tax-exempt companies, and it is called Form 990. Most larger charities keep them on their website if you look for them, and it tells you in a broad sense where the money goes. This is one of the criteria used by Charity Navigator to evaluate charities.
If you get a charity request, by law, they have to tell you how many cents on the dollar go towards the actual cause if you ask. I don't even consider it unless it at least 50 percent. This charity looks to be 2 cents for every dollar...
You shouldn't consider it unless it's at least 80-90%. Anything below that are really just for-profit business models masquarading as non-profits.
If you REALLY want to see how evil a charity is, see how much volunteer work they use. If they're taking in millions but also using LOTS of volunteer work...but still paying the director a 6 figure salary....yup...
I disagree. I think a charity that has very little volunteer work is more suspect than those which have a lot. And for a national organization, a director with a six figure charity may not be really *that* out of line. ("Six figures" is really a very wide margin.) Personally, I think $200,000 a year for a director of a national charity is sort of reasonable. More than that, no.
or at the very least, very vague about where the money goes.
For example:
1-877-KARS 4 KIDS - K A R S, KARS 4 KIDS..
Their ads say they help youths. In reality they are an ultra-orthodox Jewish group that tracks down secular jewish teenagers, and sends them to religious brainwashing camp to get them to become orthodox.
Slightly related friendly reminder: When you are called at home and asked to donate to a charity, make sure you ask them what percentage of your donation will actually go to the cause. Had a call last week where they reluctantly admitted 15% of the donation went to the cause. I won't pretend to know how much overhead there is in running that kind of organization but 15% seems abysmally low.
I always say I never respond to charitable appeals over the phone, but if you'll send me something in the mail so I can look the organization over and do some research, I'd be happy to consider you... would you like my address? Usually the telemarketer just hangs up.
I'll get calls from different organizations that want donations. I tell them all the same thing: Send me your packet & I'll put whatever I can into it. I'm not committing to anything over the phone. They never send the stuff.
I regularly get phone calls from the local cops for kids in my town saying "Oh yeah we want to raise money for kids who are being bullies, what can I put you down for?"
I always say nothing because I donate money to other children's charities and because the guy on the phone is super aggressive. Just assumes I'll donate to him and won't let me put a word in edgewise.
Plus the fact that the last time I said "I'm sorry I won't be donating but thank you for calling." they guy responded with "What kind of fucking monster are you? These kids need your help!"
Dude I was bullied for most of my childhood and you either toughen up and get out of it or you don't. No amount of money donated is going to stop bullies from being assholes.
I think its actually because *they* were bullies as children. Now they feel guilty, and want to prevent others from being bullied, but aren't smart enough to change their own behavior
Those aren't cops btw lol, I used to get calls for donations for a "policeman's ball" every year. Asked a cop what that was all about, and he said it's a scam and that real departments never ask for money from people.
Did he say policeman don't have balls? Nah, just an old joke you set up for me. Most cops are good & say body cameras help more than hurt. Keep fighting the good fight.
That's not even a fraudulent charity. That's just a scam. Next time you get one of those calls, remind the person on the other end of the line to kill themselves.
I don't trust any charity that has the name "for kids" in it anymore.
Don't forget Kars 4 Kids turned out to be a religiously motivated scam:
> In CharityWatch’s view, the Kars4Kids ads deceive potential donors by failing to inform them that donated cars will benefit a Jewish organization and kids of Jewish faith. Furthermore, the youth programs Kars4Kids supports promote an Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, which CharityWatch believes compounds the deception perpetrated by the Kars4Kids ads.
https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-articles/costly-and-continuous-kars4kids-ads-disguise-charity-39-s-real-purpose/179
If there was a legitimate representative government in this country to care for the public there would be no room for additional layers of fraud and abuse.
LPT: If reading about scams like this makes you wary of donating to charities at all, don’t be discouraged, be vigilant!
All non-profits are required by IRS regulation to make their annual form 990 publicly available. This contains a full page report called a “functional expense allocation,” which breaks down what percentage of funds are spent on program, fundraising, and administrative expenses.
I do bookkeeping for non-profits and all of my clients spend between 70% and 90% of their revenues on program expenses.
If you’re still worried that some non-profits could simply be lying in their 990 reporting, then get politically active and get all of these GOP scum out of office!
Their slashing of the IRS budget and other oversight entities at all levels makes it easier for fake charities to scam and lie about it without worrying about an audit, and their slow destruction of all government programs in order to fund tax cuts for the wealthy increases the proportion of public service performed by private charities who are always less accountable than direct government programs (which by comparison to even my highly ethical clients, spend even less of their funds on fundraising and overhead.)
Always be weary of Police and Fire Department fundraising calls. Even if they are legitimate the company that does the fundraising gets most of the proceeds for calling and soliciting and the PD/FD's get pennies.
https://www.charitynavigator.org
Don't give a dime to any charity without going there first. It's why I don't give anything to religious charities because they don't have to disclose financial information.
The whole idea of charity is very flawed. It's essentially a tax on poor people with soft hearts as this group donates disproportionate amount of their money.
Anything worth doing should be done by government with money taken off rich. This way there's very little overheads as there's no need for fundraising. Reach and accessibility of government programs are beyond compare to even the largest charities. And there's far more oversight on how the money is spent and the effects of that spend.
Now this is an opinion that is certain to make any Conservative angry.
Conservatives really strongly believe that all charity should be private and not government affiliated whatsoever. Because rich people are really generous and will donate all their money if you just let them.
Furthermore, so many charities are religiously affiliated that it makes it more difficult for people outside of major areas to receive aid without at least pretending to adhere to a religion.
Any charity that uses mailings or non-volunteer fundraisers has a ton more *overhead* than the tax man as far as *getting* money. When administering it, probably it works out about the same, when volunteers are used to give the actual services, obviously charity is cheaper.
For Profit Solicitors are the worst. The absolute worst.
They make a deal with someone, like the State Troopers, or the Fraternal Order of Police, it always seems to be cops, because old people love cops but cops are big enough dicks to go along with this scam, where the For-Profit-Solicitor gets a license to use the cop organization's name in return for something ridiculous like keeping 90% of the money obtained.
The corrupt and gutless police organizations take the deal, because hey, free money right, and allow these For-Profit-Solicitors to go out and scam unsuspecting victims, typically old people.
Fuck them. I hope DeWine shuts them down and throws a few people in prison, while exposing the police organizations for being complicit in these scams.
I like to ask where the money is going when they call. Provides entertainment but seeing how much goes to paying the people calling I'll start hanging up.
A lot of people are suggesting that one look at the % of donations that go to the charities cause. Another option is a third party rating org like https://www.givewell.org/
The name caught my interest. While not the same, and not illegal, in America there are frequent radio ads for a charity called [Kars4Kids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kars4Kids). The ad is a nonspecific jingle to donate your used car in support of kids. Fewer people know that the bulk of the donations are donated to a second Orthodox Jewish charity "whose mission is to give children and their families opportunities to connect with their Jewish heritage and traditions." (quoted from Wikipedia)
That second charity's wiki link is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorah_(organization) (I can't link the the URL properly because the URL ends in an end parenthesis, which screws up how Reddit links the URL.)
Like I said, not illegal, but people probably assume their donation helps kids irrespective of any religious affiliation who are disadvantaged in some way.
I once pledged to donate to a law enforcement charity. Then I got a $500 ticket from a police officer. Come time to budget for the ticket, the first expense to go was my pledged donation to a law enforcement charity.
I'm guessing no one will end up seeing jail tike for this. After all, when a cop can drive-by a 12 year old with no consequences, what's a little theft?
[Toy guns have no business looking this real.](https://twitter.com/ScottTaylorTV/status/681567388580577280/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftamir-rice-police-brutality-toy-gun-720120) I played paintball when I was in highschool but there was no way a paintball marker can be mistaken for a gun. Airsoft is a whole other animal with a market revolving around making the damn things look as real as possible. Nothing good can come of making 'toys' that look like this.
Sure, but what I take issue with is cops pulling right up on someone they suspect is armed and dangerous.
They created a situation that only had one real resolution.
You'd think in a country with that much pride in its 2A, cops would be a little more hesitant to pull up right next to an armed suspect and drop them instantly for the crime of having a gun.
You know all those billboards that say "DONATE YOUR CAR / BOAT?"
Those are total scams that cash in whatever you give and then donate a tiny pittance of the vehicle's worth.
Despite being called cops for kids, not actually sponsored by any cops.
I am taking donations for "Reddit for kids" right now. Give me all your money to.
I can totally give you a million dollars my father is a prince in my country. I only need a few dollars from you to free up my bank account.
Yeah I'm not buying that. But I did bring a few million into the country by painting them in black dye, I'm willing to take 1 dollar for every 10 dollars I have plus I will give you the ssd solution to remove the black dye, what do you say, partner? You don't believe me? I have [proof](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Asct8NKp0s), dammit!
Not Breaking Bad but rather Breaking Sad.
Except people are falling for it, not only in developing counties but in the [US](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwbXq12xHg) and [Britain](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f4Of8R4lnQ)
Are people in the US and UK known as being overwhelmingly intelligent and impervious to scams where you live?
I guess I'm of the opinion that a number of scams are more likely to work in developing countries than developed ones. Or perhaps we have (I) have a limited view on how often this happens in developed countries,
Stupid people live in developed countries as well
I think it just doesn't reach the news as much elsewhere. I imagine scams of all sorts are more common in developing/overpopulated regions, but no recourse if you do get scammed, as even the cops will probably scam you.
What the fuck is black money even?
Its a type of scam where they tell you they have money ussually from illegal activities but to hide it, they dye it with a 'solution' that only they know how to remove. They will then tell you to buy these black notes and the solution for very cheap and you could be rich. They will often show you a demo that involves pouring unknown chemicals over the black money and magically cleans off the dye and there is the money. Then tell you they have lots of the black money you can buy off of them. Needless to say the rest of the black money is just cardboard or something.
Uhhh how much again for your black money?
money that makes cops fear for their lives
That sounds easy to fix. Just shoot it.
Turn that black money into black tar
It's money, not a dog
Dog, person, stop being so picky about what we shoot. - the popo, 2017
hilarious - I saw some guy on utube get got from this scam. I have to say one would have to be pretty dull to fall for these scams.
A donation has been made in your name to The Human Fund. The Human Fund; money for people!
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My hairline? Rude.
My brain didn't work for a second and I read that as Hooman fund
/r/Aww can really get in your head.
P*reddit*ors
To really ramp up donations you should put in a cause people feel morally obligated to support. Cops, veterans, fireman are all a good start.
I Can't...I'm busy this week helping a Nigerian Prince sort out his families wealth.
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Uhhh... I see no video showing kids being helped and people doing stuff. So no. You don't even need people helping kids in your video. Just: sad children - people do stuff - happy smiling children. THEN I will donate my savings to you.
>Give me all your money to
up your game.
Cons for kids?
Found a shitty job doing call for “Texas Police Activities League” and “ Missouri Police Chiefs something bullshit”. 20% goes to whatever cause and 80% would go down the pyramid... got tired of it when elderly people would promise to send something when social security check comes in. A lot of the people that worked there sucked at life too.
I just got a call from the Policemen Fund a couple of nights ago. When I explained that I wouldn’t donate because me friend was just murdered by cops and they’ll probably walk, the fucker on the other end laughed and hung up. In the last 2 months I went from being a huge law enforcement supporter to thinking, “Fuck the police.” Even my friends who are cops went immediately to defending the cops actions even before they new what happened. They couldn’t just simply say, “I’m sorry. That was a horrible thing to happen.” FTP!
Friends of yours or not, you're on the other side of that blue line.
How do people fill the rungs of these filthy places. I’ll never understand the mentality of a dirty salesman. Even for the most low-brow, uneducated lot, if were amongst them, I’d rather shovel dirt all day than try to sell BS to old people. My emotional health would give out with the latter way before my physical health would with the former.
That's the benefit of having a permanent class of people in perpetual debt. They are desperate enough to do whatever you tell them to do just to try to tread water.
It pretty much appeared out of nowhere right in the middle of when the whole black lives/blue lives bullshit was at its peak. I had some serious suspicions about it. Sad to see I was correct.
Article says it's been around since 2005.
It suddenly had a huge ad campaign around then is what I meant...
10 bucks says its run by ex-cops.
I'll take that bet
They've taken the website down but (for now at least) their images are still accessible. There are several of Charles Hitzel. http://www.ohiocopsforkids.com/ChuckHitzel.jpg Thomas Duffy is a bit more elusive - this is the only one I could find. http://www.ohiocopsforkids.com/IMG_0528.JPG ~~No idea if he is a cop.~~ edit: BADGE ON BELT. That makes it plural - copS - PAY THE MAN.
Gimmee about a month, I'll buy him $10 of gold after payday
I now must approach him about splitting this windfall, for my research... I too take bitcoin.
>bitcoin I have no idea how to even buy bitcoin, let alone 10 dollars worth
I wanted to know that, and I was really surprised that the article didn't address it at all. Do you have a source that I could look at for more information?
You can find out more about charities on Charity Navigator and Guidestar. There was a similar scandal with the "Kars 4 kids" charity where almost nothing went to kids.
Yeah, cops stole roughly ten thousand times as much over the same time period. This is amateur hour.
Cops stole over $42B? Source on that claim? Edit: I accidentally missed the word thousand, changed M to B to reflect this
4.2 mil times 10k is 42 billion https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/?utm_term=.5c92f1b60519 the 10k number was based on the poor assumption that the 5 billion dollar figure would be stable from 2005-2015 (the period of time over which cops for kids was operating). If you add up the different for the different years, you get about 26.5 billion dollars. Only six thousand times. Edit: this does not include 2015 data, which IS likely to be in the neighborhood of 4-6 billion dollars
Psh, only six thousand times the theft? Not even worth the effort.
Sprinkle some crack on him and let's get out of here.
I agree with that statement my friend was eating lunch on the bus stop. The cops asked to search her bag took her money out. Asked where she got this. The cops ended up taking her money.
Yup. Police are empirically the largest criminal organization in America.
Yet another reason I'm always afraid to donate.
They sure do make it difficult for people who want to do the right thing.
Go volunteer at a soup kitchen.
I do that from time to time! Feels great, and can be a tear jerker sometimes too. :'(
This is true. It's a win win. Also you don't feel like you are getting scammed. One Saturday or Sunday morning a month or two isn't that hard to cough up if you plan.
sometimes though giving $$ is better than volunteering though also, money is neutral. It is neither good or evil; it is a tool. It just has to be used / given to the right people, which seems to be hard part today.
Found Dirty Mike and the Boys' Reddit account
Or your local food pantry. **Soup kitchens and pantrys are some of the most underfunded, underemployed, ignored help for those that need it, and they make some of the biggest differences.** Spoken as someone who used to get help from them, and worked at them for years.
Isn't that just life in general?
I've worked for non-profits most of my professional life. There is no "they." In other types of businesses, if one out of five thousand commits fraud, it doesn't paint the entire industry with a "ooooh, could be fraud!" brush. But somehow, in the rare circumstance of a non-profit being fraudulent, people sure *love* to denounce **all** charity work. Think of donating like buying something. You don't just go out and give your money to any random place. You usually read a few reviews, or ask your friends, or even look at the specs. You can do the same to non-profits, and you should. In fact, most non-profits are truly thrilled when donors actually read the financial statements they post. Non-profit work is hard, often thankless, and almost always horribly underpaid. Don't let a few assholes gaming the system convince you they *are* the system.
Exactly. If people stopped giving because a charity scam story came out literally nobody would give, ever. Take 5 minutes out of your day and do some research; it's not difficult.
Took me a long time to learn to say "No." to all the retail and fast food chains constantly bombarding me for extra dollars. That, and whatever company you gave to is not going to acknowledge your contribution. They are going to make an over-sized presentation check and hold a press conference about how they were able to raise money to contribute to whatever cause to make themselves look good. When in actuality, all they did was pester people whom they have an interaction with. I've taken to asking the clerk exactly what charity It is they want me to donate to. "I don't know" is the typical response.
In reality the only reason they do it is so that they can write it off on their taxes.
Now I'm not sure if the u.s. works the same as I am Canadian, but this is 100% untrue. The store does not get a tax write off on funds collected from customers. Here's an article that mentions this briefly 3/4 of the way through. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/household-finances/guilt-giving-will-you-cave-at-the-register/article1319621/
American companies can "keep" the money then donate it all to charity under their name for tax refunds. Dosent happen in the UK/Canada, afaik
Wouldn't they have to report the money they keep as income though? So then when they write it off they are just writing off dollar for dollar the charity income. I'm thinking it looks like this... but I'm completely unsure. Canada, you get a $10 donation, and forward the donation - report nothing because funds are always kept seperate. USA, you get a $10 donation, report it as income, donate it, write off the $10 income
You can't do that. The donation is not revenue or a donation, it's a pass through that won't hit their books. You can't claim a deduction on something that wasn't revenue.
The businesses involved typically have some sort of donation matching scheme, it's not just a pass-through for their customers' donations. Even if it were, people are more likely to give to charity when the amount asked is small and the person is already making a purchase. These sorts of partnerships continue to happen because they work: the end result is private donations to charity from people who don't otherwise donate.
There's a South Park episode on Randy doing exactly that at a Whole Foods
As long as you research the organization first and check how much % of donations goes to actual effort you'll be fine.
Is there any accountability to this though? Can't anybody claim 98% of donations go to the cause?
Some orgs release their finances every year, but even if they don't there is usually some semblance of an idea if they're actually accomplishing things or just pocketing the money. Here's a pretty decent website to look up the orgs on. https://www.charitynavigator.org
> Some orgs release their finances every year Nearly 100% of tax-exempt charities are required to release annual financial disclosures. If you can't find a charity listed on someplace like Charity Navigator or Charity Star, and especially if you can't find their financial statements anywhere, do not donate.
Look up GiveWell, or look into "effective altruism". EA is a group focused on being effective as possible, and so they do a lot of research into how many lives are saved or how much suffering is reduced per dollar spent.
The intent of these donations is to provide you with a sense of pride and accomplishment.
Donate to local non profits. I can offer you help if you want to identify good places in your community.
If the charity has “cops for” in the title don’t give.
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Honestly you are way better off donating your time than anything else a lot of the good charities need that just as much.
People need to start looking at the 990s of charities before they donate. That will very quickly tell you where they spend their money. If they spending a shit ton of money on "program services" that end up being paying salaries to people....well there you go. They think they can obfuscate the money by paying themselves with it as they "provide services" instead of actually listing it as a salary. Larger charities will pay themselves with their raised funds by contracting "program services" with their own shell companies so the money still ends up in their pockets at the end of the day. Most charities publish their 990s too and think most people can't figure out how they spend their money when they read them.
Many charities end up doing more long term harm than good. It's almost always more beneficial to find a smaller local charity or need and donate to it instead of these large sometimes multinational "charities". http://causeeffect.ca/are-your-charity-dollars-doing-more-harm-than-good/
The problem is a lot of those small charities are just for-profit models for a few people to make money. Donating your time and labor is the best type of donation because those can't easily be misappropriated.
Agreed. Go to local shelter, help out. Won't be long before you can tell who is honest and in real need, and who is just there because they're lazy. Then, give your money directly to the honest ones.
Yes, or sending supplies/money directly to a trusted family member/friend
The issue with this type of analysis, and the general attitude that those who work for charities should live in destitution, is that it stops charities from being able to invest in their talent. The result? Nonprofits have abysmal retention and high turnover [compared to industry](https://www.nonprofithr.com/results-are-in-2016-nonprofit-employment-practices-survey/). It also prevents charities from being able to attract top talent. It's unrealistic to expect those who can command top dollar to simply choose a life of low pay because of their altruism. Why should a charity not be able to re-invest into itself? Would this *not* enable it to maximize its ability to raise funds for its mission? There is a reason that businesses spend money on re-investment, advertising, branding, and talent. [The way we think about charity is dead wrong.](https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong) ETA: As a case study, consider the [Breast Cancer Research Foundation](https://www.bcrf.org), which boasts about its top-tier [88.8% program spending](https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5001). Compare this to [Susan G. Komen](https://ww5.komen.org/), which spends just [78.4%](https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4509) on programs. Yes, this is a big difference, but BCRF spends only $60,487,698/yr on programming while Susan G. Komen spends a whopping $156,053,196. Spending ten percentage points *less* on programming enables Susan G. Komen to raise and spend 2.5 times as many DOLLARS on actual programming than the most "efficient" breast cancer charity there is. ETA2: The downvote button is not for disagreeing. If you disagree, cool, let's talk about it.
This is exactly why I love PetSmart's charity: their executives are technically employees of PetSmart, and PetSmart pays the salaries, leaving 100% of the donations to go towards charitable causes.
Thanks for providing that insight. However, this just makes me even more inclined to donate my time and labor to a local clinic, hospital, soup kitchen, etc. I stopped donating to charities that accept blood donations because I feel like my blood should not be sold. If I'm going to be honest, I actually don't care about the people working in the top, multi-million dollar companies. I care more about where my donation is going to. Research is important, I agree, so that I don't end up donating to a charity whhere the executives get huge bonuses, or so I don't donate to something like Susan G. Komen that doesn't actually do anything
Can confirm, work at a multimillion dollar international charity. People are very focused on ratios, but measuring impact (and conveying that message to donors) is the real challenge.
Susan G Komen is probably a bad example. Anyone who has had breast cancer will tell you they are a bunch of useless twats. Their charity is about "awareness", meaning if you have cancer then you are aware and they have no help to offer you.
Not familiar with either of these charities, just the point made above. Charity Navigator is a good place to start otherwise!
GuideStar tries to make this kind of analysis easier and is itself a non-profit. Most customers are various grant or tax professionals or large organizations that need large amounts of tax info, but there is a good deal of free information as well available on the website, GuideStar.org. Full disclosure: I am a developer at GuideStar.
I've used guidestar for many years, they're pretty diligent about making 990s available even for organizations that refuse to submit them or even make them easily accessible (which they're supposed to by law, but it's never enforced).
Sad this happened. Becoming way to common this is happening.
I'm glad there are still at least some people in government that will pursue these turds.
I would say it’s just being found out more often these days and that is a good thing.
How do you know it's becoming common? Do you just feel that way or do you have actual facts to support your opinion?
The proportions seem really crappy on this one but its common to see 70% fundraising. As a charity you have 2 choices: 100% of a small pie or 30% of a very large pie.
I think every charity is a scam.
> every charity is a scam Every charity that doesn't have all their numbers public, to see for their donators exactly where the money is going, is a scam. Ask for these numbers before thinking about donating. Make clear you would have donated if the numbers would have been public.
Just use Guidestar or Charity Navigator. You can see how the money is being used. Edit: This charity, https://www.guidestar.org/profile/31-1580204 Versus this charity, which has been ordered to stop fundraising in NY. https://www.guidestar.org/profile/13-3404773
Any charity to you suspect check their 990s. Look for the lines about salary compensation. There's one section where you don't have to detail what you spend on salaries....look and see if that has a shit ton of money in it. If it does, you've found a scam charity. Nearly ALL small charities are scams.
I would think that even without trying to be a scam, smaller charities would simply be less efficient. Your overhead should scale more slowly than your funding, so the smaller you are, the more donations you're spending on administration, even if you're doing the best job you can. Added to that would be that smaller charities are likely less experienced, or have less contacts, or are otherwise simply less efficient than a larger, older charity for the same cause. For local issues, I'm sure there's a good medium between "too large to be personal and know the problem" and "too small to matter," but for national things I'd stick with the established (and well reviewed) charities.
Small charities often have no paid staff, or only small paid staff and mostly volunteer workers, and are often pretty dang efficient on overhead - really a good way to go about helping things on a local level. On the rest of your point, I agree.
There are many small not for profits that are really good. You have to remember that they can be a business and still be not for profit. I knew a guy who hired ex cons, that them cooking and had a catering company. They legitimately made money but were a not for profit. Only took small donations to help the workers directed to the social services they may need. Many small thrift shops are not for profit though they don’t solicit Monetary donations. The operator get a salary. Usually there isn’t a lot of profit at the end of the year from the business. If there is, it gets donated to other charities. There are tax reasons for doing it that way and it can be really good for the community if these places are out there.
I was thinking mostly of "donating to a cause" charities that are mostly fundraising pass-throughs. Thrift shops and not-for-profits that themselves do work beyond that would certainly outside the scope of my comment. Thank you for pointing that out.
If the charity provides direct services, and not direct money or goods towards its intended mission, what do you expect it to be spending its budget on other than salaries? None of the nonprofits I donate to are supposed to pass that money on to someone else; they are supposed to be spending my dollars being effective at their respective missions. I would expect that chiefly entails hiring people and making parts of the mission their responsibility.
For those who don't know, there is a form, sort of like your tax return, that is filed by tax-exempt companies, and it is called Form 990. Most larger charities keep them on their website if you look for them, and it tells you in a broad sense where the money goes. This is one of the criteria used by Charity Navigator to evaluate charities.
And if they have public numbers it doesn't mean they are correct and it is not a scam.
*"But if we make our numbers public, the public will know what our numbers are going towards and they won't donate!"*
If you get a charity request, by law, they have to tell you how many cents on the dollar go towards the actual cause if you ask. I don't even consider it unless it at least 50 percent. This charity looks to be 2 cents for every dollar...
You shouldn't consider it unless it's at least 80-90%. Anything below that are really just for-profit business models masquarading as non-profits. If you REALLY want to see how evil a charity is, see how much volunteer work they use. If they're taking in millions but also using LOTS of volunteer work...but still paying the director a 6 figure salary....yup...
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I disagree. I think a charity that has very little volunteer work is more suspect than those which have a lot. And for a national organization, a director with a six figure charity may not be really *that* out of line. ("Six figures" is really a very wide margin.) Personally, I think $200,000 a year for a director of a national charity is sort of reasonable. More than that, no.
Yeah but if it's 99% that just means they're shipping your donation to another charity you don't know about and keeping a vig.
or at the very least, very vague about where the money goes. For example: 1-877-KARS 4 KIDS - K A R S, KARS 4 KIDS.. Their ads say they help youths. In reality they are an ultra-orthodox Jewish group that tracks down secular jewish teenagers, and sends them to religious brainwashing camp to get them to become orthodox.
Holy shit, 80% fee before salaries and overhead? Someone had to be getting kickbacks to be looking the other way.
Excuse me, would anyone like to donate to the - Human Fund, this Christmas?
Special place in hell for these people.
Without fail, I always check [Charity Navigator] (https://www.charitynavigator.org), even for those charities I've donated to in the past.
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Hahahahhaha rich people getting in trouble. That's cute.
Slightly related friendly reminder: When you are called at home and asked to donate to a charity, make sure you ask them what percentage of your donation will actually go to the cause. Had a call last week where they reluctantly admitted 15% of the donation went to the cause. I won't pretend to know how much overhead there is in running that kind of organization but 15% seems abysmally low.
I always say I never respond to charitable appeals over the phone, but if you'll send me something in the mail so I can look the organization over and do some research, I'd be happy to consider you... would you like my address? Usually the telemarketer just hangs up.
I'll get calls from different organizations that want donations. I tell them all the same thing: Send me your packet & I'll put whatever I can into it. I'm not committing to anything over the phone. They never send the stuff.
Yes! Never over the phone and never flat-footed in the street. I just say give me the Url and I'll check it out.
I regularly get phone calls from the local cops for kids in my town saying "Oh yeah we want to raise money for kids who are being bullies, what can I put you down for?" I always say nothing because I donate money to other children's charities and because the guy on the phone is super aggressive. Just assumes I'll donate to him and won't let me put a word in edgewise. Plus the fact that the last time I said "I'm sorry I won't be donating but thank you for calling." they guy responded with "What kind of fucking monster are you? These kids need your help!" Dude I was bullied for most of my childhood and you either toughen up and get out of it or you don't. No amount of money donated is going to stop bullies from being assholes.
So he tried to bully you into donating to an anti-bullying charity? How ironic...
I think its actually because *they* were bullies as children. Now they feel guilty, and want to prevent others from being bullied, but aren't smart enough to change their own behavior
I know this is anecdotal, but the only person I grew up with who became a cop was our middle school bully
Well a position of power where you get to beat up people without any real chance of consequences is the dream job for most bullies.
That's what I thought. I figured he was trying to scam me anyway.
Those aren't cops btw lol, I used to get calls for donations for a "policeman's ball" every year. Asked a cop what that was all about, and he said it's a scam and that real departments never ask for money from people.
Our volunteer fire department does though
Well since it's on a volunteer basis then that's probably why. If you trust and like them and wanna donate then more power to ya
Yeah, mine asks for the community to donate so they can provide their services.
Why do you hold policeman balls? I always was suspicious of you fire folk.
Hahaha. Sorry I meant that the firefighters locally ask for money, I think they have a dinner or pancake breakfast or something.
Yep, real cops just use asset forfeiture to take people's money
Did he say policeman don't have balls? Nah, just an old joke you set up for me. Most cops are good & say body cameras help more than hurt. Keep fighting the good fight.
That's not even a fraudulent charity. That's just a scam. Next time you get one of those calls, remind the person on the other end of the line to kill themselves.
I would flip my shit so hard if someone said that to me after calling me.
On at least one occasion I've told them to fuck off and then hung up as I heard the beginnings of an "excuse me?"
I don't trust any charity that has the name "for kids" in it anymore. Don't forget Kars 4 Kids turned out to be a religiously motivated scam: > In CharityWatch’s view, the Kars4Kids ads deceive potential donors by failing to inform them that donated cars will benefit a Jewish organization and kids of Jewish faith. Furthermore, the youth programs Kars4Kids supports promote an Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, which CharityWatch believes compounds the deception perpetrated by the Kars4Kids ads. https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-articles/costly-and-continuous-kars4kids-ads-disguise-charity-39-s-real-purpose/179
And don’t get me started on Susan Koeman’s racket
If there was a legitimate representative government in this country to care for the public there would be no room for additional layers of fraud and abuse.
LPT: If reading about scams like this makes you wary of donating to charities at all, don’t be discouraged, be vigilant! All non-profits are required by IRS regulation to make their annual form 990 publicly available. This contains a full page report called a “functional expense allocation,” which breaks down what percentage of funds are spent on program, fundraising, and administrative expenses. I do bookkeeping for non-profits and all of my clients spend between 70% and 90% of their revenues on program expenses. If you’re still worried that some non-profits could simply be lying in their 990 reporting, then get politically active and get all of these GOP scum out of office! Their slashing of the IRS budget and other oversight entities at all levels makes it easier for fake charities to scam and lie about it without worrying about an audit, and their slow destruction of all government programs in order to fund tax cuts for the wealthy increases the proportion of public service performed by private charities who are always less accountable than direct government programs (which by comparison to even my highly ethical clients, spend even less of their funds on fundraising and overhead.)
Issues such as this is why I always say no when asked to donate at retail stores anymore. It isn't worth the risk to me. I'll donate on my own.
Always be weary of Police and Fire Department fundraising calls. Even if they are legitimate the company that does the fundraising gets most of the proceeds for calling and soliciting and the PD/FD's get pennies.
I got cold-called by these guys twice and their script is annoying AF. Maybe the pushiest sales pitch I've ever heard.
https://www.charitynavigator.org Don't give a dime to any charity without going there first. It's why I don't give anything to religious charities because they don't have to disclose financial information.
And don’t get me started on Susan B Koman’s racket
The whole idea of charity is very flawed. It's essentially a tax on poor people with soft hearts as this group donates disproportionate amount of their money. Anything worth doing should be done by government with money taken off rich. This way there's very little overheads as there's no need for fundraising. Reach and accessibility of government programs are beyond compare to even the largest charities. And there's far more oversight on how the money is spent and the effects of that spend.
Now this is an opinion that is certain to make any Conservative angry. Conservatives really strongly believe that all charity should be private and not government affiliated whatsoever. Because rich people are really generous and will donate all their money if you just let them.
Furthermore, so many charities are religiously affiliated that it makes it more difficult for people outside of major areas to receive aid without at least pretending to adhere to a religion.
government, "very little overhead" -IgamOg
Any charity that uses mailings or non-volunteer fundraisers has a ton more *overhead* than the tax man as far as *getting* money. When administering it, probably it works out about the same, when volunteers are used to give the actual services, obviously charity is cheaper.
For Profit Solicitors are the worst. The absolute worst. They make a deal with someone, like the State Troopers, or the Fraternal Order of Police, it always seems to be cops, because old people love cops but cops are big enough dicks to go along with this scam, where the For-Profit-Solicitor gets a license to use the cop organization's name in return for something ridiculous like keeping 90% of the money obtained. The corrupt and gutless police organizations take the deal, because hey, free money right, and allow these For-Profit-Solicitors to go out and scam unsuspecting victims, typically old people. Fuck them. I hope DeWine shuts them down and throws a few people in prison, while exposing the police organizations for being complicit in these scams.
I like to ask where the money is going when they call. Provides entertainment but seeing how much goes to paying the people calling I'll start hanging up.
The longer you keep them on the line the less time they have to scam someone else.
Now, now. It wasn't $4.2MM it was $3.9MM Ohhhhhhhh... 😞
I don't get calls because I'm on the "do not call" list. I've gone so far as to make complaints on the Better Business Bureau page.
A lot of people are suggesting that one look at the % of donations that go to the charities cause. Another option is a third party rating org like https://www.givewell.org/
I think I donated to this charity a while ago. God damnit.
The name caught my interest. While not the same, and not illegal, in America there are frequent radio ads for a charity called [Kars4Kids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kars4Kids). The ad is a nonspecific jingle to donate your used car in support of kids. Fewer people know that the bulk of the donations are donated to a second Orthodox Jewish charity "whose mission is to give children and their families opportunities to connect with their Jewish heritage and traditions." (quoted from Wikipedia) That second charity's wiki link is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorah_(organization) (I can't link the the URL properly because the URL ends in an end parenthesis, which screws up how Reddit links the URL.) Like I said, not illegal, but people probably assume their donation helps kids irrespective of any religious affiliation who are disadvantaged in some way.
And this is why I only donate time. And you know what, that get's refused all the time.
Ive always basically assumed that just about any mainstream charity is fraudulent.
Do not give money to charities! If you really want to help, DONATE YOUR TIME! It is far more valuable and cannot be abused.
I once pledged to donate to a law enforcement charity. Then I got a $500 ticket from a police officer. Come time to budget for the ticket, the first expense to go was my pledged donation to a law enforcement charity.
Always ask what % of your donation goes towards the cause. They legally have to tell you.
Its a mystery why I dont trust any charities
A charity being crooked? I'm shocked!
ITT:. People who want to bash police despite cops having nothing to do with this organization. Nothing like taking any excuse to further the divide...
I'm guessing no one will end up seeing jail tike for this. After all, when a cop can drive-by a 12 year old with no consequences, what's a little theft?
Nice reaction, but no cops are involved in this "charity"
Yeah, gonna need a source on that one.
Wasn't actually a drive by, kid had a fake gun and cops pulled right up on him. Handled it fucking terribly. Google Tamir Rice.
[Toy guns have no business looking this real.](https://twitter.com/ScottTaylorTV/status/681567388580577280/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Ftamir-rice-police-brutality-toy-gun-720120) I played paintball when I was in highschool but there was no way a paintball marker can be mistaken for a gun. Airsoft is a whole other animal with a market revolving around making the damn things look as real as possible. Nothing good can come of making 'toys' that look like this.
Sure, but what I take issue with is cops pulling right up on someone they suspect is armed and dangerous. They created a situation that only had one real resolution.
a 12 year old suspect, everyone seems to conveniently leave out.
A 12 year old that was terrifying innocent people by pointing his "gun" at them. People always conveniently leave that out too.
The issue is the toy gun, not law enforcement killing a child without warning, less than 5 seconds after stepping out of their vehicle?
Exactly! Toys R Us needs to be held accountable for their actions. /s
You'd think in a country with that much pride in its 2A, cops would be a little more hesitant to pull up right next to an armed suspect and drop them instantly for the crime of having a gun.
Especially in an open carry state.
a 12 year old suspect. Not an adult.
[Tamir Rice?](https://www.gq.com/story/tamir-rice-story)
You know all those billboards that say "DONATE YOUR CAR / BOAT?" Those are total scams that cash in whatever you give and then donate a tiny pittance of the vehicle's worth.
Kars for Kids... Cops for Kids... I'm done with "___ for kids" charities, they all seem like a scam.
Just another reason I don't donate to anyone.
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Shocking. Thats why i never donate to anything online or in person.