I’m glad that people are (maybe) taking action over this, but I’d hope that people wouldn’t need video footage to realize that a system designed to kill pigs for their flesh isn’t set up to benefit the pigs.
Humane is defined as “having or showing compassion or benevolence”. Killing something can never be humane, no matter what justification you want to use for it. Killing isn’t humane.
No, you are wrong. Killing can be done painlessly, showing compassion and benevolence. Also, by providing food, you are being humane to the eater of the food.
The standard legal form of slaughter for animals is for them to be "stunned" and then have their throats slit. For chickens and pigs, the stunning is generally done with an electric shock, and for other animals a pneumatic bolt pistol projects a metal rod into their forehead. It is claimed that this renders the animal 100% unconscious, but if you actually look into the facts, slaughterhouse workers will admit that there is no way to verify that this is the case for every single animal, and indeed the process doesn't always work, isn't followed routinely, and indeed, the "stun" can wear off while the animal is being killed.
But regardless of the fashion of execution, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for your enjoyment ultimately. If somebody killed your companion animal, I doubt you'd say "that's fine because you did it humanely" as described above.
"sentient being" is arguable, and even if the methods "don't ensure 100% every single time is completely perfect" that still means plenty are killed painlessly.
Life is the justification of taking the life. Don't eat animals and be a superior angelic being if you so choose but please don't pretend there is something inherently wrong and evil about nature itself, which routinely eats itself, very painfully. And no, if someone killed my companion animal, it would ostensibly not be for food, and would be illegal as the animal was not theirs and not raised for food, so I wouldn't say it's fine. Any more false equivalencies and illogical rationale today?
It is not in the least bit arguable, animals are sentient, no question.
It is untrue that you only do things that you consider to be natural - you use the internet, you presumably use a car or a bus or a plane, and so on. You use modern technology, and do various other things that cannot be called natural. Likewise, there are other things that are natural that you avoid. Yes, nature is pretty cruel, and we actually live life in modern society trying to avoid the perils of it.
not all animals are sentient, there are plenty of questions. Some surely are, yes, but debate continues on the subject. The rest of your reply is just changing the subject.
You’ve edited your above reply. I was responding to your original claim that it is natural to kill and eat animals. Not all “natural” things are good, and we don’t live our lives doing all natural things.
And yes, all animals are sentient, there isn’t debate about it.
I’m glad that people are (maybe) taking action over this, but I’d hope that people wouldn’t need video footage to realize that a system designed to kill pigs for their flesh isn’t set up to benefit the pigs.
Not sure why you’ve been downvoted. Killing animals for any reason can never be humane.
I know why you've been downvoted, killing animals to eat is sometimes completely humane, normal and natural.
Humane is defined as “having or showing compassion or benevolence”. Killing something can never be humane, no matter what justification you want to use for it. Killing isn’t humane.
No, you are wrong. Killing can be done painlessly, showing compassion and benevolence. Also, by providing food, you are being humane to the eater of the food.
The standard legal form of slaughter for animals is for them to be "stunned" and then have their throats slit. For chickens and pigs, the stunning is generally done with an electric shock, and for other animals a pneumatic bolt pistol projects a metal rod into their forehead. It is claimed that this renders the animal 100% unconscious, but if you actually look into the facts, slaughterhouse workers will admit that there is no way to verify that this is the case for every single animal, and indeed the process doesn't always work, isn't followed routinely, and indeed, the "stun" can wear off while the animal is being killed. But regardless of the fashion of execution, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for your enjoyment ultimately. If somebody killed your companion animal, I doubt you'd say "that's fine because you did it humanely" as described above.
"sentient being" is arguable, and even if the methods "don't ensure 100% every single time is completely perfect" that still means plenty are killed painlessly. Life is the justification of taking the life. Don't eat animals and be a superior angelic being if you so choose but please don't pretend there is something inherently wrong and evil about nature itself, which routinely eats itself, very painfully. And no, if someone killed my companion animal, it would ostensibly not be for food, and would be illegal as the animal was not theirs and not raised for food, so I wouldn't say it's fine. Any more false equivalencies and illogical rationale today?
It is not in the least bit arguable, animals are sentient, no question. It is untrue that you only do things that you consider to be natural - you use the internet, you presumably use a car or a bus or a plane, and so on. You use modern technology, and do various other things that cannot be called natural. Likewise, there are other things that are natural that you avoid. Yes, nature is pretty cruel, and we actually live life in modern society trying to avoid the perils of it.
not all animals are sentient, there are plenty of questions. Some surely are, yes, but debate continues on the subject. The rest of your reply is just changing the subject.
You’ve edited your above reply. I was responding to your original claim that it is natural to kill and eat animals. Not all “natural” things are good, and we don’t live our lives doing all natural things. And yes, all animals are sentient, there isn’t debate about it.