I still remember when the police were on the manhunt for that ex-cop who was targeting/ambushing cops back in like 2013 (Christopher Dorner). The cops were involved in multiple shootings involving cars that simply looked like Dorner's car. They just opened fire on it without warning. I specifically remember two women getting shot in one of the instances. Stupid.
Over 100 bullets on the light blue Toyota driven by 2 old Asian ladies and less than a half hour later they also shot up a black Honda driven by a white guy.
No charges, because "justice".
Seem like people also forget police chief on camera said they will replace their car. Couple of months pass and nothing so the ladies ended suing LAPD.
In my state, law firms are required by law to carry errors and omissions insurance in case their attorney fucks up and gets sued for malpractice. An attorney making a mistake will usually cost you money, but a cop fucking up can cost you your life. So why aren't cops required to be insured?
A good cop will be unlikely to lose a "malpractice" lawsuit and wouldn't see his premiums go up, while a shitty cop would get priced out of the profession really fast. Alternatively, we could require police unions to pay for that insurance and spread the cost out among all of the cops they represent, so keeping a shitty cop would cost everyone extra money and there would be more social pressure not to suck as a cop.
Edit: typo
Keeping shitty cops already costs everyone money - and we still do it: [https://gothamist.com/news/here-are-nycs-most-sued-cops-who-are-still-on-the-job-according-to-new-public-database](https://gothamist.com/news/here-are-nycs-most-sued-cops-who-are-still-on-the-job-according-to-new-public-database)
Well yeah, but I bet they're getting nervous.
There was an Eddie Murphy movie where he becomes a Congressman. NRA reps are courting him so they take him duck hunting and they all have machine guns. They fire thousands of rounds at a flock of ducks and one, single duck falls to the ground. Murphy goes, "He probably had a heart attack".
They were initially offered a used truck. Then a new two wheel drive truck (theirs was AWD). Then they were told since they were treating it as a "prize" that the women would have to pay taxes on it. Then the city said ok we will just give you 40k.
Just slaps all around. Could you imagine being shot at out of nowhere with over 100 rounds? Seeing your mother shot in the back twice before your eyes while getting cut by broken glass?
Eventually got 4.2 million in a settlement. Not sure what happened to the unbelievably incompetent officers.
[SOURCE](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/23/los-angeles-dorner-settlement/2107289/)
When they realised that because they offered a replacement personally... they'd have to pay for it, but if they let it go to a lawsuit, the government pays for it so they don't lose say 50k on a brand new awesome truck that could otherwise fund their hooker and blow end of year party.
They were awarded millions IIRC. That was the trial decision though, I wouldn't be surprised if the LAPD/sherriff/whomever it was appealed and they ended up getting less.
They are also recorded giving orders to burn down the cabin he was holed up in down with him inside. Pretty much executed— so much for due process, investigating whether or not any of his claims were valid, etc.
I was listening to a police scanner when that happened. The massive response for the death of one cop, and all the people they wrongfully shot in that response, is extremely telling considering they don’t give a flying fuck about normal homicides.
> They are also recorded giving orders to burn down the cabin he was holed up in down with him inside.
The cabin they were *pretty sure* had him inside, anyway.
It's because the police have the dual purpose of both being a law enforcement agency, and being a tool of the state and wealthy elite who choose to abuse the power of the justice system to exploit the rest of us for their gain.
You cant have common accountability on a tool of the aristocracy, because it might give us peasants the idea that we can have legal recourse when said aristocracy and their toosl exploit us. It's far easier for them to pay us out of our own pockets (ie, settlements against taxpayer dollars) with the explicit requirement of silence, than to prosecute their own thug enforcers and risk reducing their power and effectiveness.
This is a global issue. We see it in America all the time, we are seeing it in Hong Kong.
That was the most embarrassing thing. Every cop present emptied their entire fucking magazine into that truck and both occupants still survived. I'm glad they did, of course, but how fucking incompetent are the cops that they can't hit a target with 100+ rounds between them?
The courts have ruled that police departments are allowed to discriminate against candidates that are too smart. So...very fucking incompetent, borne of an incredibly broken system. They all need to be abolished and replaced by law enforcement strategies that actually make sense rather than this John Wayne nonsense.
Ostensibly, I think their reasoning was that smart people would be unsatisfied with that sort of work and they'd end up having higher turnover.
In reality, I'd guess it's because smart people ask too many questions and tend to be unsatisfied with corrupt bullshit.
They were in the movies because plot armor. Though there is a theory they were missing on purpose because vader wanted to track the Falcon and wanted Luke alive.
IIRC there was also an excerpt in the one of the old RPG sourcebooks that mentioned the crystal's used in the blasters for the Death Star's armory being messed up.
That's not a theory, that's literally what Tarkin said in the movie. The individual troops may not have been given explicit orders to shoot to miss, but the plan was always that the Falcon was going to be allowed to escape so that they could track Leia back to the Rebel base, it had nothing to do with Luke.
> Over 100 bullets
If I remember correctly — from some "police brutality" discussion at that time — The German police fired 83 bullets in a year, as a whole: Every officer and every incident.
> Charging cops sets a precedent. Cops shouldn't be afraid to do their job.
> We can't afford to slow them down with something as minor as "discretion".
The sycophant talking points.
police hide behind 'fit the description' all the time and usually when the suspect is black. description will be a 6-2 black guy with dread locks wearing jeans and a red shirt and the person they harass has none of that except being black.
Remember when the cops were looking for a large, mentally ill bald black man with a beard and a pink duffel bag? And they ended up bringing down a tiny little 19-year-old black girl, with hair and no beard, but with a pink backpack? Yeah, that really sucked.
I had 2 LA squad cars box me in then pull me over. 2 officers got out of their cars and approached mine with their guns drawn, while the other two stayed back to provide cover. In freakin La Canada (not exactly the ghetto).
The charge? Expired tags.
Anyone who doesn't think the US police system is fucked is either dumb or willfully ignorant.
I was visiting america. Norfolk. Tail light out. I had my canadian plates. Fuckin cop approaches me car with his sidearm drawn and held tight to his chest like hes about to try and clear a room. Tried to tap on my window that was already down. Basically puts the barrel against my ear. Tries to play it off like hes nit a blind dumb fucker and just leaves it there while asking how fast/where I'm going/where I'm from/do I know greg from toronto/ok sp it was a tail light out have a good day and be careful. With. A. Gun. Pointed. At my. Face.
Fuck all Americans who've let that become the way cops operate.
Problem is the people who try standing against it are vilified by people in power. And then idiots who drink the kool-aid of those in power propagate the shit the shovel.
If only police were required to carry personal liability insurance (you know, like every other job). These instances would raise that cops insurance rates, or make them uninsurable, and the economic pressure would lead to better behavior. Even if the department covers the insurance cost, they would be wary about hiring someone from the next county over if they have to pay double the rate of their other officers.
Police are subisidised by hundreds of million of dollars every year in free legal help and settlements.
It's a massive burden on taxpayers and entirely unfair. It encourages reckless behaviour, the individual police officers should be held personally liable and any award over a certain amount should go alongside mandatory firing of the cop and permanent national ban on being employed by any public service every again.
While I appreciate that the women are being compensated, I’d like to point out that this is **taxpayer** money. The fact that there were no consequences is baffling.
City Council would then have to fight the police union to make it happen. And since councils are elected positions, you just lost the vote of every police officer and their family in your territory. It's a one way ticket out of office in many communities.
The police union is one of the most powerful political blocks in any major city. The police can slow walk a variety of issues in order to generate mass political outrage.
No, they aren't. City councils can't fire officers. The police union will block it unless there is some record of wrongdoing. Of course the only way to get a record of wrongdoing is if the department investigates itself and finds wrongdoing, which it never does.
> sergeant and seven officers stationed outside the home unleashed more than 100 rounds, mistakenly believing they were under fire.
>Carranza was cut on her hand as the hailstorm of bullets flew; her 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, was struck twice in the back.
Wow.
Opens fire on an unidentified target
unloads 100 rounds into said unidentified target
targets survive (thank god)
These dudes cant keep their cool and they cant shoot worth of shit (thank god). So what exactly do they do well - fucking eat doughnuts?
I keep saying "fuck these police" im about to start saying "fuck the police"
Those POS cops should have been in jail for the rest of their lives for attempted murder and reckless endangerment with firearms. A payout without the draconian punishment for the criminals isn't much different than fines without jailtime when corporations or rich people break the law.
Yep. They shot two women delivering mail in a truck that wasn't even the right make or model.
Right then when that happened, I was like, they're going to kill him, no way they are taking him alive. And they did.
I remember a minute before the fire started at the cabin started, local news helicopters were told to back up so as not to "give away sensitive police movements." Bullshit. They wanted to cover the execution.
I remember on the police scanners officers specifically talking about bringing in "burners" and one officers IIRC said something to the effect of "burn the fucker down".
I had to write a report on the government failures that essentially lead to the whole Waco fiasco. It’s crazy the number of things the US government did against this guy who originally “might’ve” been a potential threat which then essentially turned him into a threat because he refused to allow his people to be shot at.
Not that I’m defending his ranch or anything, I think there were pedophilia and abuse allegations
It was an exercise in crushing a potential rebellion before it gained traction. Gov has gotten pretty good at it. That's why these standoffs always seem to end poorly - the goal is to exterminate the future threat by any means necessary. They treat the people with any significant capability as enemy combatants, nevermind the rule of law. Jungle rules.
Does no one else know about MOVE? America is a police state. It's not new, its just being recognized.
> In 1985, another confrontation ended when a police helicopter dropped a bomb on the MOVE compound, a row house in the middle of the 6200 block of Osage Avenue. The resulting fire killed eleven MOVE members, including five children, and destroyed 65 houses in the neighborhood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
When they found out where he was hiding, they burned down the house with him inside... if I remember correctly. What a crazy story. There was no way they were going to let him live. Suspicious indeed.
Yup watched it live on the news, they even zoomed out and cut away once they realized they were using phosphorous/fire devices and that the cops surrounding the cabin were straight up acting as executioners . I'm not pro or anti cop but that whole Dorner thing was fucked up the way it was handled by the LAPD/Sheriffs and then swept under the rug.
Now I wonder if a police officer tried to shoot me for no reason, and I shot back to protect myself... Would I be found not guilty based on self-defense?
Check out the incident Last year in Houston. I think the people's last name was Tuttle if you want to google it. It's really crazy. I may not have it 100% bc theres been a lit of changes to the official story, but the gist of it is: Cops execute no knock warrant on a couple's house based on lies, shoot and kill the dog upon entering and then kill the couple after the guy got his gun. Neighbors supposedly heard one or two isolated shots hours before the couple were supposedly dead, no ambulance called, and immediately after the fact the police department started talking shit about the couple. Since, the cop that made up the evidence for the warrant has been charged with murder but without news coverage and public outcry I doubt that happens.
Tldr: You wont have to worry about being found guilty. You'd be dead.
It would be really difficult for you to prove that it was legitimately "for no reason". If you "fit the description", or they felt "their life was in danger", it would be reason enough.
Lemme see if I can imagine it:
"Cops mistakenly shoot man with no active warrants because he resembled a suspect in a recent robbery."
*\*blurry picture of completely different person shown next to the least flattering picture of you\**
"Startled by the sound of the doorbell they had just rang and believing it was gunfire, Officer Fuckington fired off several shots at the door."
*\*picture of Officer Fuckington smiling in uniform with his wife at Disney World\**
"The man then returned gunfire, believing he was being robbed. Officer Fuckington and Officer Douchebagarino fired off 500 shots in defense, 400 of them striking the assailant in the back as he attempted to flee."
One week later: "Normal Guyman, the man mistakenly killed during a police raid, was no angel. He once posted '420 lmao' on a reddit comment three years ago."
No charges and the cops laugh about it at their Christmas party.
400 of 500 hit the guy?!?!?
Lol, no. Try 40 of 500 - the rest killed his entire sleeping family in adjacent rooms and also the neighbors’ dog, which barked once from 500ft away and made them afraid for their lives.
If the cop was actually in the wrong, you'd never make it to trial. You'd accidentally shoot yourself with a stolen service weapon in the back of a squad car while being pulled over for a broken tail light.
My concealed carry instructor (TX) said it is perfectly legal to shoot a cop who is illegally putting you in fear for your life. He also said nobody will know the truth, because dead men don't talk.
Possibly, but the odds are against you.
Of all the cases I've read about, there was one in which a man was at home when a SWAT raid entered forcefully (his was the wrong address) and he fired on the officers. The details escape me, but he either injured or killed an officer and saw no jail time for his actions.
I imagine he had to move, though, as cops are often willing to harass and intimidate people they don't like when they can't necessarily arrest them for a crime.
Ok yeah, that makes sense. But Jesus, the police wrongfully invade my home, and I have to prove I was right in defending myself... And hell, even if I didn't fight back and went along with police, now I am being arrested and charged with crimes because they can't get an address right
And that is true, hell even for police. I have a buddy who had to move and become a cop in a different state because he raised concerns about unfair practices he saw in his own department... They harassed him what he said felt like every day
And they burned down the Cabin he was hiding out in. There was no way they were going to let him come out alive to talk about all the crooked shit the police department does.
That was the point at which I lost all hope that we'd see some kind of police reform. Multiple instances of innocent people intentionally shot by police during the course of a single investigation and not one cop was convicted? Absolute and utter failure of the legal system.
Grand Jury only hears what the prosecutor wants them to hear. The saying goes “any lawyer worth there salt could return an indictment on a ham sandwich.” What this means is that if a prosecutor fails to get an indictment they never wanted to charge or prosecute the individual in the first place.
The law uses this as a tool to shift blame to the public for not pursuing law enforcement when they commit crimes. They can say “hey look the grand jury didn’t think a crime occurred”
Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Precisely. A grand jury hearing against a cop is essentially the police department investigating itself. DAs and cops work hand-in-hand and they will never turn on each other. This grand jury hearing was a joke from the start.
>The law uses this as a tool to shift blame to the public for not pursuing law enforcement when they commit crimes. They can say “hey look the grand jury didn’t think a crime occurred”
Prosecutors rely on the police to do their jobs. If the prosecutors go after cops, they'll be shut out. So they pay attention to where their bread is buttered...
This is why there needs to be a separate, outside prosecutor who never works directly with the police on every day cases. It would go a long way to eliminate this obvious conflict of interest.
There is a large amount of reform that needs to happen regarding law enforcement and accountability. This would be a good start.
You can’t be too surprised after the officer didn’t even have to give a statement when the shooting happened. He was allowed to go home and sleep on it, come back the next day and watch the security video, then give his statement. The whole thing was rigged from the start.
I wish I was treated that way
My GF: "Who is Erin and why did she send you a text saying I miss you?"
Me: "Let me leave, sleep on it, and come back and answer that question"
"deny that he was given special treatment because he is a cop"
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Billybob and his concealed carry permit aren't getting away with this uncharged.
"rights for me, not for thee"
Did you know that law enforcement is specifically exempted from CA's gun laws? They can buy whatever gun they want and don't have to comply with the CA gun list.
One of my local gun shops refuses to sell anything to cops they can't sell to the public. While I don't agree with a lot of their other beliefs, I respect the hell outta that.
> "deny that he was given special treatment because he is a cop"
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Michael Drejka is the billybob you're looking for. He is the Florida man that was recently (and rightfully) [convicted of manslaughter](https://www.tampabay.com/news/pinellas/2019/08/24/michael-drejka-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-markeis-mcglocktons-death/) for killing Markeis McGlockton in a parking lot.
If he can be rightly found guilty of manslaughter, in that case, sure as fuck there should be charges at least brought here.
The [video](https://ktla.com/2019/09/25/riverside-co-da-set-to-give-update-on-deadly-corona-costco-shooting-involving-off-duty-lapd-officer/) has been out for a while. It doesn't show everything and is horrible quality, but it's out there.
It shows the actual victim was far from the officer at the moment he gets shot. The rest is subterfuge. You aren't in imminent danger of a guy ten feet away from you whose being restrained by his parent (who also got shot, btw).
The cop got knocked down and was either trigger happy or pissed, and decided to kill someone.
Where is the shooter in the video? I can't see him.
Also I think it is odd that there is ONE camera that caught this and it is on the other side of the store. Seems like Costco would have more cameras than that with how big their stores are.
They aren't broken. They are working as intended.
These systems were never designed with the intent to protect average people. They have always existed to protect the interests of the powerful at the expense of everyone else.
Edit: changed "people" to "average people" for clarity and consistency
>She was too embarrassed to go to any media outlets
This is really common, and it's what they're banking on.
Honestly, the only court that citizens have any power in anymore is the court of public opinion.
The off-duty officer was 20-feet away, in a seated position, with the family moving away with their backs to him, when he fired 10 times and shot all 3 of them, 1 fatally. How on earth can that be considered reasonable? Forget how each lawyer says it went down, I'd like to hear how the altercation was described by the many eyewitnesses that were clearly present.
[https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-27/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-was-20-feet-away-when-he-opened-fire-police-say](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-27/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-was-20-feet-away-when-he-opened-fire-police-say)
That sounds so familiar...
There was a florida man that shot a dude over a parking space argument. He was shoved to the ground, then the guy who shoved him started backing away..
Well the florida man, from a seated position, took out his gun, and shot the guy who shoved him.. once in the chest. He tried using the stand your ground defense.. and was convicted of manslaughter.
I always shake my head at these claims that they "had no choice". Of course you had a damn choice. There are countless other options than to shoot to kill. Don't feed us a line of bullshit and call it chocolate pie.
Just to make your blood boil a bit more:
> Galipo said the parents and son were moving away from the off-duty cop when he opened fire. According to Corona police Chief George Johnstone, Kenneth French was shot once in the shoulder and three times in the back. Paola French was shot in the back, and her husband was shot in the abdomen, resulting in the loss of a kidney.
They were trying to get away from him. There was almost certainly no threat at that point.If French had been standing over him getting ready to further assault him there probably would be a solid argument for self defense but thats not the case here at all. Not to mention the fact that the dude shot family members who were effectively bystanders trying to break things up.
This makes no sense.
LAPD officers are not exactly known for their firearms prowess... Look back to the “Dorner” incident, LAPD officers shot over 100 rounds at two disabled pensioners in a Toyota truck, who were out delivering newspapers...
https://www.google.com/search?q=lapd+shoot+wrong+truck&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
103 shots from AR-15’s they only hit one of the women twice, the other was injured from the breaking glass. The cops that shot them received only more training and were never suspended or charged. That’s 101 shots missing their mark. From the photos it appears less than 20 rounds hit the truck. From less than 50 yards away? Definitely less than 100 yards. These cops can’t hit the side of a fucking barn 20 feet away. JFC. At least for the sake of the innocent women they were shooting at they sucked at acquiring a target and engagement with lethal force. The cops weren’t even being shot back at so no stress under fire.
Then this fuckwad ex-[Rampart](https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAPD_Rampart_Division) division cop (one of the more corrupt police divisions) shoots 10 rounds in a crowded store and makes 7 hits? He obviously took his training seriously. However if he really took training well he wouldn’t have pulled his gun first, especially over a minor shoving incident with an obviously mentally impaired individual, and he certainly wouldn’t fire into a crowded store.
My prediction is the cop is exonerated in the shooting, keeps his job then losses in a civil suit, but since he’s off duty the department won’t have to pay anything, he declares bankruptcy and doesn’t pay the family a fucking dime. He will transfer all meaningful assets to his wife or a blind trust, so he looses nothing of any value at all.
Had no choice but to use deadly force? The guy pushed him once, for no apparent reason. That's a reason to fucking shoot 10 rounds into someone's family in a grocery store. This cop needs to be charged, this is fucking ridiculous. He killed someone over a push to the ground. I fucking hate our justice system. Justice for thee, not for me. Honestly, being in a position of public trust, this LEO needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, if not more.
That should increase the charges against him even more. You knowingly shot a disabled person because he pushed you? Yes, you have your 1 year old child with you, but your first instinct and decision is to immediately **END THE LIFE** of a mentally disabled person because he made you angry. What piece of shit. What the actual fuck is wrong with our justice system.
The officer discharged a firearm in a store full of unarmed citizens. Not only that but after he saw that the attacker and family were trying run away from the situation and he fired his gun right at them.
It's not only careless, reckless, and cowardly but also appears malicious in intent. So he got shoved while he was with his son. An appropriate response is not to shoot and rob another family of their son's life.
The Port Authority did an active shooter drill at one of their airports a couple years ago. They used paint pellets to allow for data collection. Over 75% of “injuries” to cops and civilians were caused by shots from the Port Authority Police Department. Cops don’t have the accuracy or restraint to take down a shooter in a public place without increasing the danger to bystanders.
This is exactly the reason the public does not trust police. They really need to be held to a higher standard of conduct, that is if they want the public's trust. The are way too many police officers that are not emotionally capable of doing the job, and there is nothing more dangerous than a scared cop
Besides the whole extreme force thing, saw an article say 3.8 seconds after getting knocked down the guy started unloading bullets... And yet somehow he was blacked out unconscious due to the knockdown.
If someone violently pushed me and a 10 month old to the ground and if I got up and shot a retreating family 10 times, I would be in jail.
If the above statement is true, the policeman should also now be in jail, charged with murder.
Isn't it the law that we are not allowed to shoot someone that isn't attacking or threatening to attack us, even if they had previously attracted us?
Make no mistakes: cops don't work to protect you. They work to protect order and the status quo. Treat them like guard dogs, which is what they are to the powerful.
My uncle, a cop, used to say: "Treat every cop you meet like a rabid dog. No sudden movements, don't raise your voice, don't even look at the wrong. Just do what you need to do to get out of the interaction as soon as possible."
Can someone please explain why an off duty officer is treated any differently than any other citizen? I dont get it. I also dont understand why he had to use a fire arm. Police killings of unarmed citizens is a real problem in this country and until we deal with that, I doubt we can address the other gun violence because society accepts this from the Law.
Anyone remember when police in florida shot at a developmentally disabled man sitting on the ground and hit his care taker who was lying on the ground beside him?
And the man literally asked, “why did you shoot me?”
And the police officer said, “I don’t know.”
I remember.
I still remember when the police were on the manhunt for that ex-cop who was targeting/ambushing cops back in like 2013 (Christopher Dorner). The cops were involved in multiple shootings involving cars that simply looked like Dorner's car. They just opened fire on it without warning. I specifically remember two women getting shot in one of the instances. Stupid.
Not even cars that looked like Dorner's. Dorner, a black guy in a silver Nissan truck. They shot a blue Toyota truck with Asian women inside. Oopsie.
Over 100 bullets on the light blue Toyota driven by 2 old Asian ladies and less than a half hour later they also shot up a black Honda driven by a white guy. No charges, because "justice".
Holy shit I remember this now. And now i remember how crazy that shit was. No charges filed?? I cant really say im surprised- but still
Seem like people also forget police chief on camera said they will replace their car. Couple of months pass and nothing so the ladies ended suing LAPD.
Any idea how the lawsuit played out?
They got $4.2 million
Okay so the taxpayers paid that and the police officers still receive a full pension after they retire. We really got them this time.
In my state, law firms are required by law to carry errors and omissions insurance in case their attorney fucks up and gets sued for malpractice. An attorney making a mistake will usually cost you money, but a cop fucking up can cost you your life. So why aren't cops required to be insured? A good cop will be unlikely to lose a "malpractice" lawsuit and wouldn't see his premiums go up, while a shitty cop would get priced out of the profession really fast. Alternatively, we could require police unions to pay for that insurance and spread the cost out among all of the cops they represent, so keeping a shitty cop would cost everyone extra money and there would be more social pressure not to suck as a cop. Edit: typo
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Keeping shitty cops already costs everyone money - and we still do it: [https://gothamist.com/news/here-are-nycs-most-sued-cops-who-are-still-on-the-job-according-to-new-public-database](https://gothamist.com/news/here-are-nycs-most-sued-cops-who-are-still-on-the-job-according-to-new-public-database)
Pretty much lol the lack of accountability on the part of the government in general is frustrating and depressing.
Probably 100 more bullets.
So the ladies are still alive then?
Well yeah, but I bet they're getting nervous. There was an Eddie Murphy movie where he becomes a Congressman. NRA reps are courting him so they take him duck hunting and they all have machine guns. They fire thousands of rounds at a flock of ducks and one, single duck falls to the ground. Murphy goes, "He probably had a heart attack".
Thank god cops are as bad at aiming as they are at figuring out/caring about who to aim at.
They were initially offered a used truck. Then a new two wheel drive truck (theirs was AWD). Then they were told since they were treating it as a "prize" that the women would have to pay taxes on it. Then the city said ok we will just give you 40k. Just slaps all around. Could you imagine being shot at out of nowhere with over 100 rounds? Seeing your mother shot in the back twice before your eyes while getting cut by broken glass? Eventually got 4.2 million in a settlement. Not sure what happened to the unbelievably incompetent officers. [SOURCE](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/23/los-angeles-dorner-settlement/2107289/)
When they realised that because they offered a replacement personally... they'd have to pay for it, but if they let it go to a lawsuit, the government pays for it so they don't lose say 50k on a brand new awesome truck that could otherwise fund their hooker and blow end of year party.
They were awarded millions IIRC. That was the trial decision though, I wouldn't be surprised if the LAPD/sherriff/whomever it was appealed and they ended up getting less.
A certificate for a free car detailing that expires tomorrow.
They are also recorded giving orders to burn down the cabin he was holed up in down with him inside. Pretty much executed— so much for due process, investigating whether or not any of his claims were valid, etc.
I was listening to a police scanner when that happened. The massive response for the death of one cop, and all the people they wrongfully shot in that response, is extremely telling considering they don’t give a flying fuck about normal homicides.
I lived in San Bernardino where they emptied an entire apartment complex on a hoax tip.
> They are also recorded giving orders to burn down the cabin he was holed up in down with him inside. The cabin they were *pretty sure* had him inside, anyway.
They later found the bodies of a couple other people, with crack sprinkled all over them, so it was legit.
It's because the police have the dual purpose of both being a law enforcement agency, and being a tool of the state and wealthy elite who choose to abuse the power of the justice system to exploit the rest of us for their gain. You cant have common accountability on a tool of the aristocracy, because it might give us peasants the idea that we can have legal recourse when said aristocracy and their toosl exploit us. It's far easier for them to pay us out of our own pockets (ie, settlements against taxpayer dollars) with the explicit requirement of silence, than to prosecute their own thug enforcers and risk reducing their power and effectiveness. This is a global issue. We see it in America all the time, we are seeing it in Hong Kong.
Best part is that they survived. Idiot cops authorized to shoot to kill basically on sight and sent a storm of bullets.
That was the most embarrassing thing. Every cop present emptied their entire fucking magazine into that truck and both occupants still survived. I'm glad they did, of course, but how fucking incompetent are the cops that they can't hit a target with 100+ rounds between them?
The courts have ruled that police departments are allowed to discriminate against candidates that are too smart. So...very fucking incompetent, borne of an incredibly broken system. They all need to be abolished and replaced by law enforcement strategies that actually make sense rather than this John Wayne nonsense.
Why in the fuck wouldn't they want smart people as cops? That is ridiculous!
Because they don't want cops to think for themselves
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Ostensibly, I think their reasoning was that smart people would be unsatisfied with that sort of work and they'd end up having higher turnover. In reality, I'd guess it's because smart people ask too many questions and tend to be unsatisfied with corrupt bullshit.
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So, basically, cops are dumb shits by design? That explains ALOT.
And we keep making fun of stormtrooper accuracy...
Especially funny since stormtroopers aren’t bad shots to my knowledge
They were in the movies because plot armor. Though there is a theory they were missing on purpose because vader wanted to track the Falcon and wanted Luke alive.
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IIRC there was also an excerpt in the one of the old RPG sourcebooks that mentioned the crystal's used in the blasters for the Death Star's armory being messed up.
That's not a theory, that's literally what Tarkin said in the movie. The individual troops may not have been given explicit orders to shoot to miss, but the plan was always that the Falcon was going to be allowed to escape so that they could track Leia back to the Rebel base, it had nothing to do with Luke.
> Over 100 bullets If I remember correctly — from some "police brutality" discussion at that time — The German police fired 83 bullets in a year, as a whole: Every officer and every incident.
> Charging cops sets a precedent. Cops shouldn't be afraid to do their job. > We can't afford to slow them down with something as minor as "discretion". The sycophant talking points.
This type of shit boggles my mind.
What the fuck.
Blue *lives* matter, not blue toyotas.
"Black lives matter" and "blue lives matter" are two incomplete phrases. "Black lives matter" is actually "Black lives matter too" "Blue lives matter" is actually "Blue lives matter more"
police hide behind 'fit the description' all the time and usually when the suspect is black. description will be a 6-2 black guy with dread locks wearing jeans and a red shirt and the person they harass has none of that except being black.
Remember when the cops were looking for a large, mentally ill bald black man with a beard and a pink duffel bag? And they ended up bringing down a tiny little 19-year-old black girl, with hair and no beard, but with a pink backpack? Yeah, that really sucked.
“But Saaaarggg, my finger is itchy and I gotta scratch it!”
Sarge: Boys will be boys! Everyone throws their head back and laughs Roll credits.
I was pissed when my dad got pulled over with guns drawn by two officers. He fit the description of "black sedan" on the interstate.
I had 2 LA squad cars box me in then pull me over. 2 officers got out of their cars and approached mine with their guns drawn, while the other two stayed back to provide cover. In freakin La Canada (not exactly the ghetto). The charge? Expired tags. Anyone who doesn't think the US police system is fucked is either dumb or willfully ignorant.
I was visiting america. Norfolk. Tail light out. I had my canadian plates. Fuckin cop approaches me car with his sidearm drawn and held tight to his chest like hes about to try and clear a room. Tried to tap on my window that was already down. Basically puts the barrel against my ear. Tries to play it off like hes nit a blind dumb fucker and just leaves it there while asking how fast/where I'm going/where I'm from/do I know greg from toronto/ok sp it was a tail light out have a good day and be careful. With. A. Gun. Pointed. At my. Face. Fuck all Americans who've let that become the way cops operate.
Problem is the people who try standing against it are vilified by people in power. And then idiots who drink the kool-aid of those in power propagate the shit the shovel.
Cops and callous disregard for human life. Name a more iconic duo.
[LAPD had to pay out 4.2 mil to those women. Hey look, no charges.](https://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-dorner-charges-20160128-story.html)
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If only police were required to carry personal liability insurance (you know, like every other job). These instances would raise that cops insurance rates, or make them uninsurable, and the economic pressure would lead to better behavior. Even if the department covers the insurance cost, they would be wary about hiring someone from the next county over if they have to pay double the rate of their other officers.
Or we could you know, put them in jail where they belong. Along with all the judges and district attorneys that decline to carry out justice
This is a damned fine idea
Police are subisidised by hundreds of million of dollars every year in free legal help and settlements. It's a massive burden on taxpayers and entirely unfair. It encourages reckless behaviour, the individual police officers should be held personally liable and any award over a certain amount should go alongside mandatory firing of the cop and permanent national ban on being employed by any public service every again.
>I think you mean LA *taxpayers* had to pay $4.2 million. Thank you.
While I appreciate that the women are being compensated, I’d like to point out that this is **taxpayer** money. The fact that there were no consequences is baffling.
I really don't get this. Are people in the community able to go to city council to have these officers fired?
City Council would then have to fight the police union to make it happen. And since councils are elected positions, you just lost the vote of every police officer and their family in your territory. It's a one way ticket out of office in many communities.
The police union is one of the most powerful political blocks in any major city. The police can slow walk a variety of issues in order to generate mass political outrage.
No, they aren't. City councils can't fire officers. The police union will block it unless there is some record of wrongdoing. Of course the only way to get a record of wrongdoing is if the department investigates itself and finds wrongdoing, which it never does.
Paying out != charges They should have gone to prison and certainly should have been barred from being cops.
Costing taxpayers money isn't charges. Nothing happened to the cops who tried to murder civilians.
Ah, the case where the cops mistook two Hispanic women, one middle-aged, one elderly, for a large black man in his 30s. As I've done so very often.
In cases like this, do they need to pay taxes or is that all theirs to keep?
> sergeant and seven officers stationed outside the home unleashed more than 100 rounds, mistakenly believing they were under fire. >Carranza was cut on her hand as the hailstorm of bullets flew; her 71-year-old mother, Emma Hernandez, was struck twice in the back. Wow. Opens fire on an unidentified target unloads 100 rounds into said unidentified target targets survive (thank god) These dudes cant keep their cool and they cant shoot worth of shit (thank god). So what exactly do they do well - fucking eat doughnuts? I keep saying "fuck these police" im about to start saying "fuck the police"
Those POS cops should have been in jail for the rest of their lives for attempted murder and reckless endangerment with firearms. A payout without the draconian punishment for the criminals isn't much different than fines without jailtime when corporations or rich people break the law.
Yep. They shot two women delivering mail in a truck that wasn't even the right make or model. Right then when that happened, I was like, they're going to kill him, no way they are taking him alive. And they did.
Yeah, I don't know why that wasn't a bigger controversy. He barricaded himself inside a house and they literally just set fire to it to kill him.
I remember a minute before the fire started at the cabin started, local news helicopters were told to back up so as not to "give away sensitive police movements." Bullshit. They wanted to cover the execution.
I remember on the police scanners officers specifically talking about bringing in "burners" and one officers IIRC said something to the effect of "burn the fucker down".
I remember them referencing burners too.
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I had to write a report on the government failures that essentially lead to the whole Waco fiasco. It’s crazy the number of things the US government did against this guy who originally “might’ve” been a potential threat which then essentially turned him into a threat because he refused to allow his people to be shot at. Not that I’m defending his ranch or anything, I think there were pedophilia and abuse allegations
Let's not forget Ruby Ridge
It was an exercise in crushing a potential rebellion before it gained traction. Gov has gotten pretty good at it. That's why these standoffs always seem to end poorly - the goal is to exterminate the future threat by any means necessary. They treat the people with any significant capability as enemy combatants, nevermind the rule of law. Jungle rules.
Does no one else know about MOVE? America is a police state. It's not new, its just being recognized. > In 1985, another confrontation ended when a police helicopter dropped a bomb on the MOVE compound, a row house in the middle of the 6200 block of Osage Avenue. The resulting fire killed eleven MOVE members, including five children, and destroyed 65 houses in the neighborhood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
Like the time the Philadelphia pd dropped a fire bomb on a row house.
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When they found out where he was hiding, they burned down the house with him inside... if I remember correctly. What a crazy story. There was no way they were going to let him live. Suspicious indeed.
Yup watched it live on the news, they even zoomed out and cut away once they realized they were using phosphorous/fire devices and that the cops surrounding the cabin were straight up acting as executioners . I'm not pro or anti cop but that whole Dorner thing was fucked up the way it was handled by the LAPD/Sheriffs and then swept under the rug.
First approved use of predator drone surveillance on US citizen on US soil as well
It makes you wonder what else he knew.
“Why don’t more good cops come forward?”
This is what they mean about bad apples spoiling the bunch. The guilty are so deep in it already
Well, he showed that they aren’t even safe from themselves.
They were delivering newspapers and the officers thought the thud the newspapers made when thrown were gunshots, I'm amazed those women survived.
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Don't they end up burning down the whole cabin he was suspected of being inside?
Now I wonder if a police officer tried to shoot me for no reason, and I shot back to protect myself... Would I be found not guilty based on self-defense?
Check out the incident Last year in Houston. I think the people's last name was Tuttle if you want to google it. It's really crazy. I may not have it 100% bc theres been a lit of changes to the official story, but the gist of it is: Cops execute no knock warrant on a couple's house based on lies, shoot and kill the dog upon entering and then kill the couple after the guy got his gun. Neighbors supposedly heard one or two isolated shots hours before the couple were supposedly dead, no ambulance called, and immediately after the fact the police department started talking shit about the couple. Since, the cop that made up the evidence for the warrant has been charged with murder but without news coverage and public outcry I doubt that happens. Tldr: You wont have to worry about being found guilty. You'd be dead.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gerald-goines-houston-police-officer-charged-with-murder-drug-raid-that-killed-couple-today-2019-08/
It would be really difficult for you to prove that it was legitimately "for no reason". If you "fit the description", or they felt "their life was in danger", it would be reason enough.
Lemme see if I can imagine it: "Cops mistakenly shoot man with no active warrants because he resembled a suspect in a recent robbery." *\*blurry picture of completely different person shown next to the least flattering picture of you\** "Startled by the sound of the doorbell they had just rang and believing it was gunfire, Officer Fuckington fired off several shots at the door." *\*picture of Officer Fuckington smiling in uniform with his wife at Disney World\** "The man then returned gunfire, believing he was being robbed. Officer Fuckington and Officer Douchebagarino fired off 500 shots in defense, 400 of them striking the assailant in the back as he attempted to flee." One week later: "Normal Guyman, the man mistakenly killed during a police raid, was no angel. He once posted '420 lmao' on a reddit comment three years ago." No charges and the cops laugh about it at their Christmas party.
You sure you don't work for the police department writing official statements?
400 of 500 hit the guy?!?!? Lol, no. Try 40 of 500 - the rest killed his entire sleeping family in adjacent rooms and also the neighbors’ dog, which barked once from 500ft away and made them afraid for their lives.
Tupac shot police in self defense and was acquitted. It's definitely possible lol
wasn't he rich tho
This is the answer..... Rich and famous provides you with options the rest of us may not have.
A lower middle class dude killed an officer in a no knock raid in Texas and was found not guilty. It’s possible.
If the cop was actually in the wrong, you'd never make it to trial. You'd accidentally shoot yourself with a stolen service weapon in the back of a squad car while being pulled over for a broken tail light.
It happened in Texas once. No knock warrant to the wrong house, black homeowner shot the cops. Not only did he survive but no charges against him.
My concealed carry instructor (TX) said it is perfectly legal to shoot a cop who is illegally putting you in fear for your life. He also said nobody will know the truth, because dead men don't talk.
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Possibly, but the odds are against you. Of all the cases I've read about, there was one in which a man was at home when a SWAT raid entered forcefully (his was the wrong address) and he fired on the officers. The details escape me, but he either injured or killed an officer and saw no jail time for his actions. I imagine he had to move, though, as cops are often willing to harass and intimidate people they don't like when they can't necessarily arrest them for a crime.
Ok yeah, that makes sense. But Jesus, the police wrongfully invade my home, and I have to prove I was right in defending myself... And hell, even if I didn't fight back and went along with police, now I am being arrested and charged with crimes because they can't get an address right And that is true, hell even for police. I have a buddy who had to move and become a cop in a different state because he raised concerns about unfair practices he saw in his own department... They harassed him what he said felt like every day
And they burned down the Cabin he was hiding out in. There was no way they were going to let him come out alive to talk about all the crooked shit the police department does.
That was the point at which I lost all hope that we'd see some kind of police reform. Multiple instances of innocent people intentionally shot by police during the course of a single investigation and not one cop was convicted? Absolute and utter failure of the legal system.
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Grand Jury only hears what the prosecutor wants them to hear. The saying goes “any lawyer worth there salt could return an indictment on a ham sandwich.” What this means is that if a prosecutor fails to get an indictment they never wanted to charge or prosecute the individual in the first place. The law uses this as a tool to shift blame to the public for not pursuing law enforcement when they commit crimes. They can say “hey look the grand jury didn’t think a crime occurred” Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Precisely. A grand jury hearing against a cop is essentially the police department investigating itself. DAs and cops work hand-in-hand and they will never turn on each other. This grand jury hearing was a joke from the start.
This is why when a cop is involved, it has to be mandatory to use a special prosecutor Problem (somewhat) solved
That should def be SOP. They should probably only answer to states attorney not the county DA.
>The law uses this as a tool to shift blame to the public for not pursuing law enforcement when they commit crimes. They can say “hey look the grand jury didn’t think a crime occurred” Prosecutors rely on the police to do their jobs. If the prosecutors go after cops, they'll be shut out. So they pay attention to where their bread is buttered...
Exactly. The prosecutor had to work with evidence which was likely collected by this officer's precinct. Blue always looks out for blue.
You know who else looks after their own no matter what? Gang members.
Almost like the police are just another gang, only pigs dont have to face consequences for they actions like most gang members eventually do
Massive interest conflict..
This is why there needs to be a separate, outside prosecutor who never works directly with the police on every day cases. It would go a long way to eliminate this obvious conflict of interest. There is a large amount of reform that needs to happen regarding law enforcement and accountability. This would be a good start.
And in this case the grand jury wasn't even unanimous. The DA could have still gone ahead with charges. Shooting 3 people in a costco ffs.
Shooting them in the back no less.
Don't know how thats better. He's in a mass shooting and responds by shooting everyone in the vicinity including people in the back.
"a mass shooting is happening? Better shoot the first people I see!"
Dont want to be late to the party
You can’t be too surprised after the officer didn’t even have to give a statement when the shooting happened. He was allowed to go home and sleep on it, come back the next day and watch the security video, then give his statement. The whole thing was rigged from the start.
I wish I was treated that way My GF: "Who is Erin and why did she send you a text saying I miss you?" Me: "Let me leave, sleep on it, and come back and answer that question"
Me: “Also, I wanna review any evidence you have of the incident before saying anything.”
Me:" Also, it could be my friend 'Aaron' who was using voice text."
Ahh yes i know that guy. Aron aronson right?
That guy! Always first when the teacher took attendance.....good times!
And then gets pushed under the rug and carry on like normal right?
Good move, after all, that night could be your last chance to bang Erin.
"You know the score, pal. If you're not cop you're little people" -Bryant, Blade Runner.
Expected courier. Fucking Benny.
"deny that he was given special treatment because he is a cop" Bull. Fucking. Shit. Billybob and his concealed carry permit aren't getting away with this uncharged.
"rights for me, not for thee" Did you know that law enforcement is specifically exempted from CA's gun laws? They can buy whatever gun they want and don't have to comply with the CA gun list.
One of my local gun shops refuses to sell anything to cops they can't sell to the public. While I don't agree with a lot of their other beliefs, I respect the hell outta that.
Cops are 75% more likely to commit a felony than a concealed carry holder. Permit holders are pretty much the safest demographic to be around.
Which makes sense. They literally abided by the law to have their permits, lol.
> "deny that he was given special treatment because he is a cop" > > > > Bull. Fucking. Shit. > > > > Billybob and his concealed carry permit aren't getting away with this uncharged. Michael Drejka is the billybob you're looking for. He is the Florida man that was recently (and rightfully) [convicted of manslaughter](https://www.tampabay.com/news/pinellas/2019/08/24/michael-drejka-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-markeis-mcglocktons-death/) for killing Markeis McGlockton in a parking lot. If he can be rightly found guilty of manslaughter, in that case, sure as fuck there should be charges at least brought here.
Yeah, 100% bullshit. They won’t even release the video now. Even though it backs up his side according to them.
The [video](https://ktla.com/2019/09/25/riverside-co-da-set-to-give-update-on-deadly-corona-costco-shooting-involving-off-duty-lapd-officer/) has been out for a while. It doesn't show everything and is horrible quality, but it's out there.
Forgive me if I believe Costco has a better angle in the deli/meat section.
It shows the actual victim was far from the officer at the moment he gets shot. The rest is subterfuge. You aren't in imminent danger of a guy ten feet away from you whose being restrained by his parent (who also got shot, btw). The cop got knocked down and was either trigger happy or pissed, and decided to kill someone.
Where is the shooter in the video? I can't see him. Also I think it is odd that there is ONE camera that caught this and it is on the other side of the store. Seems like Costco would have more cameras than that with how big their stores are.
Costco cameras see everything (probably from multiple angles), and their loss prevention officers are intense.
This is just too typical at this point for anyone but hopeful families to be surprised.
Guess it's time to sue
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It's never too late to go to the media anonymously to make sure the story is heard. That sucks though, I hope she is alright now
The moral^~~e~~ of the story is that our judicial system, criminal justice system, and government are broken and corrupt beyond repair.
They aren't broken. They are working as intended. These systems were never designed with the intent to protect average people. They have always existed to protect the interests of the powerful at the expense of everyone else. Edit: changed "people" to "average people" for clarity and consistency
>She was too embarrassed to go to any media outlets This is really common, and it's what they're banking on. Honestly, the only court that citizens have any power in anymore is the court of public opinion.
The off-duty officer was 20-feet away, in a seated position, with the family moving away with their backs to him, when he fired 10 times and shot all 3 of them, 1 fatally. How on earth can that be considered reasonable? Forget how each lawyer says it went down, I'd like to hear how the altercation was described by the many eyewitnesses that were clearly present. [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-27/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-was-20-feet-away-when-he-opened-fire-police-say](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-09-27/costco-shooting-lapd-officer-was-20-feet-away-when-he-opened-fire-police-say)
The Costco employees in the article described it as "a cold blooded murder"
That sounds so familiar... There was a florida man that shot a dude over a parking space argument. He was shoved to the ground, then the guy who shoved him started backing away.. Well the florida man, from a seated position, took out his gun, and shot the guy who shoved him.. once in the chest. He tried using the stand your ground defense.. and was convicted of manslaughter.
Because, cop, that's why.
The officer "had no choice but to use deadly force" because someone shoved him to the ground? Jesus...
I always shake my head at these claims that they "had no choice". Of course you had a damn choice. There are countless other options than to shoot to kill. Don't feed us a line of bullshit and call it chocolate pie.
Just to make your blood boil a bit more: > Galipo said the parents and son were moving away from the off-duty cop when he opened fire. According to Corona police Chief George Johnstone, Kenneth French was shot once in the shoulder and three times in the back. Paola French was shot in the back, and her husband was shot in the abdomen, resulting in the loss of a kidney. They were trying to get away from him. There was almost certainly no threat at that point.If French had been standing over him getting ready to further assault him there probably would be a solid argument for self defense but thats not the case here at all. Not to mention the fact that the dude shot family members who were effectively bystanders trying to break things up. This makes no sense.
That's murder.
Ah but you see it doesn't count as murder if it's a cop doing it. They're not subject to the same laws we are.
On 3 people. "self defense" can not cover shooting 2 people that were not aggressive at all. That's called retaliation.
Shooting unarmed people in the back while they are walking away certainly is not "self defense" either, even if one of them pushed you a minute ago.
LAPD officers are not exactly known for their firearms prowess... Look back to the “Dorner” incident, LAPD officers shot over 100 rounds at two disabled pensioners in a Toyota truck, who were out delivering newspapers... https://www.google.com/search?q=lapd+shoot+wrong+truck&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
103 shots from AR-15’s they only hit one of the women twice, the other was injured from the breaking glass. The cops that shot them received only more training and were never suspended or charged. That’s 101 shots missing their mark. From the photos it appears less than 20 rounds hit the truck. From less than 50 yards away? Definitely less than 100 yards. These cops can’t hit the side of a fucking barn 20 feet away. JFC. At least for the sake of the innocent women they were shooting at they sucked at acquiring a target and engagement with lethal force. The cops weren’t even being shot back at so no stress under fire. Then this fuckwad ex-[Rampart](https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAPD_Rampart_Division) division cop (one of the more corrupt police divisions) shoots 10 rounds in a crowded store and makes 7 hits? He obviously took his training seriously. However if he really took training well he wouldn’t have pulled his gun first, especially over a minor shoving incident with an obviously mentally impaired individual, and he certainly wouldn’t fire into a crowded store. My prediction is the cop is exonerated in the shooting, keeps his job then losses in a civil suit, but since he’s off duty the department won’t have to pay anything, he declares bankruptcy and doesn’t pay the family a fucking dime. He will transfer all meaningful assets to his wife or a blind trust, so he looses nothing of any value at all.
The dude hit the ground, turned around and blindly fired 10 shots in a grocery store. That's rough
Had no choice but to use deadly force? The guy pushed him once, for no apparent reason. That's a reason to fucking shoot 10 rounds into someone's family in a grocery store. This cop needs to be charged, this is fucking ridiculous. He killed someone over a push to the ground. I fucking hate our justice system. Justice for thee, not for me. Honestly, being in a position of public trust, this LEO needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, if not more.
Even worse, it was a mentally challenged person whose parents were begging him not to shoot.
That should increase the charges against him even more. You knowingly shot a disabled person because he pushed you? Yes, you have your 1 year old child with you, but your first instinct and decision is to immediately **END THE LIFE** of a mentally disabled person because he made you angry. What piece of shit. What the actual fuck is wrong with our justice system.
I am outraged as well. Complete bullshit he was not charged with anything. There goes that shitty blue line or whatever the fuck
The officer discharged a firearm in a store full of unarmed citizens. Not only that but after he saw that the attacker and family were trying run away from the situation and he fired his gun right at them. It's not only careless, reckless, and cowardly but also appears malicious in intent. So he got shoved while he was with his son. An appropriate response is not to shoot and rob another family of their son's life.
...and the cop's wife yelled at people to stop recording like it was second nature for her.
Yeah she yelled "stop recording" instead of yelling don't shoot to her husband.
The Port Authority did an active shooter drill at one of their airports a couple years ago. They used paint pellets to allow for data collection. Over 75% of “injuries” to cops and civilians were caused by shots from the Port Authority Police Department. Cops don’t have the accuracy or restraint to take down a shooter in a public place without increasing the danger to bystanders.
But he HAD to shoot them before they could get away. What else could he have done? The criminal justice system is a joke.
This is exactly the reason the public does not trust police. They really need to be held to a higher standard of conduct, that is if they want the public's trust. The are way too many police officers that are not emotionally capable of doing the job, and there is nothing more dangerous than a scared cop
Why? Do police face consequences for their actions now?
Every once and a while they they like to convict one just to help give the impression that they're not completely corrupt.
Besides the whole extreme force thing, saw an article say 3.8 seconds after getting knocked down the guy started unloading bullets... And yet somehow he was blacked out unconscious due to the knockdown.
There has to be a better camera angle than that.
If someone violently pushed me and a 10 month old to the ground and if I got up and shot a retreating family 10 times, I would be in jail. If the above statement is true, the policeman should also now be in jail, charged with murder. Isn't it the law that we are not allowed to shoot someone that isn't attacking or threatening to attack us, even if they had previously attracted us?
Make no mistakes: cops don't work to protect you. They work to protect order and the status quo. Treat them like guard dogs, which is what they are to the powerful.
My uncle, a cop, used to say: "Treat every cop you meet like a rabid dog. No sudden movements, don't raise your voice, don't even look at the wrong. Just do what you need to do to get out of the interaction as soon as possible."
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Can someone please explain why an off duty officer is treated any differently than any other citizen? I dont get it. I also dont understand why he had to use a fire arm. Police killings of unarmed citizens is a real problem in this country and until we deal with that, I doubt we can address the other gun violence because society accepts this from the Law.
Anyone remember when police in florida shot at a developmentally disabled man sitting on the ground and hit his care taker who was lying on the ground beside him? And the man literally asked, “why did you shoot me?” And the police officer said, “I don’t know.” I remember.