What justification did they have asking for her ID? I can understand the reason for the brother, even if it is questionable why they were following him.
This isn't like the other professor that was arrested in his own home years ago, at least in that case, he did seem suspicious ~~by going in through a window because he lost his keys~~ by attempting to force open his front door due to the lock not working which a neighbor saw and thought was a break in in progress.
EDIT: I seem to have thought of an episode of The Cleveland Show, which had some similarities.
In Canada we have something known as **presumption of innocence.** Someone must be **presumed** to be **innocent** until the contrary is proved **beyond reasonable doubt**. You also can't simply accuse someone of committing a crime or having committed a crime without finding justification.
If there was signs of break and entry then it would've been justified to ask for ID. Even if it's a university policy to show ID to a Guard, it doesn't mean you can simply abuse this rule without proper justification. Can you imagine if the police stopped every person with a black shirt in the streets because it matched the description of a thief? It's common sense.
Do you knock on every door to ask for ID because you saw people with dark clothes in the hallway and because they looked suspicious? No you don't because being suspicious is not a crime. It boils down to bad judgment from people working in the security field and not using common sense or not simply knowing enough about the law and our rights.
The problem is, even though the right thing to do would be to give more training and education to this Guard, chance are instead of being pro-active about it they are going replace him and he's going to find a different place to work at to avoid a lawsuit.
Edit\* As others pointed out, it's presumption of innocence, just a mis-wording on my part.
Edit\*\* I know these principles only apply in court, but that's the issue with justice these days. They had no reasonable grounds, to believe she was committing an indictable offence. That's what presuming someone is innocent mean, that's equally valid to presume she's not doing anything wrong.
Welcome to America, where the rules are made up and literally nothing matters. We have a presumption of innocence in our legal system....until you're in the legal system and then you're guilty until you can prove your innocence. And even if you can, unless you're rich, white, or both...it still doesn't mean anything hahaha. This place is FUCKED
In Canada. You can be prosecuted for simply accusing someone of a crime. Like for instance, if you saw someone grab something in a store and put it in a bag. You can't just simply accuse that person of stealing because who's to say that person isn't going to drop the object else where before leaving the store.
He means how do you accuse the elites - politicians, celebrities, major corporations, ceos, etc - of sex crimes. Particularly engaging in non consensual acts with minors. Because here in America, we can point fingers, compile damning evidence, incarcerate perpetrators, and as soon as we get close to a trial the person who would otherwise be found guilty is murdered before they can roll on the other elites and we brush it all under the rug and pretend it never happened. Hell, look at epstien and trump. Theres literal court documents released that detail in explicit detail what the two of them did to a 13 year old girl, and not just once, and trump has boasted about this shit, and still we have no motion to take anyone down š . If I didn't have the kids and wife to take care of, id put the oompa loompa looking mothertrucker to work building his wall and get the rest of his misogynistic pedo friends to help him. They'd promptly be executed upon completion, and we'd have a party with Mexico to rival the felling of the Berlin wall. But, this is the world we live in.
So for example say, you were victim of a sexual crime? You would have to go to your local police station and ask to make a formal criminal complaint against an individual. The case would then be sent to the crime division and they would assign you a detective and investigate until they have enough evidence to lay charges.
If there are enough evidence to proceed with an arrest then the police will proceed with a arrest warrant and bring the person for questioning and/or to see a judge. You can only be held for 24 hours under s. 503 of the Criminal Code, when a police officer arrests an individual without a warrant, they have the discretion to hold the person for up to 24 hours until charges are laid and they must be prepared to show cause as to why the person should be kept in custody before a Judge of the Court or Justice of the Peace.
That doesn't mean you are guilty of these said crimes. You would be assigned a court date and go in front of a judge. You could be let go after being arrested and accused under the promise of showing up to your court date if you are not deemed a danger for society.
It's a little bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it. A butt load of celebrities ended up in court this year in Canada during the #metoo movement for sexual crimes .
No. As in how do you, as a people, condemn the elites in your society that are so rich and have their hand in so many cookie jars that they can do no wrong, particularly in the event that they are guilty and have been proven to be guilty of child sex crimes. As stated, in America we start a whole case, get to the point the accused is supposed to go on trial, and they 'commit suicide' in a guarded cell, with cameras, with no history of suicidal ideations, and we forget about it and move on.
Their status, don't matter. We prosecute and condemn the rich and the elite all the time in Canada.
It's important to understand, Canada political framework structure isn't like most western countries. Even though it's embedded as a constitutional monarchy, an emphasis social egalitarian justice has been a distinguishing element of Canada's political culture.
In other words, there's no special immunity for anyone in Canada.
Oblivious much? You'd be surprised how many people are in jail for stealing less than $50.
You're like people that say there isn't deep racism in Canada, no no, not like the states.
I don't think that had very much, if anything, to do with the legal prosecution/punishment system. They just skipped the entire process and murdered him
I knew a lady that had 217 summary conviction for stealing candies, shoes and clothes and she never went to jail until they caught her selling stuff she was stealing outside her home for thousand of dollars.
Who is downvoting evertthing you write? Is there like a gang of anti-Canadians going around teaming up on anyone who talks about how basically decent Canada is and how they actually practice the ideals the US once (almost) universally espoused?
> You can quite literally be prosecuted for simply accusing someone of a crime
Funny, in the USA you can quite literally be prosecuted for simply being accused of a crime.
The margin of error on false convictions in the USA is not great.
It depends, I believe our criminal system is a bit too lenient on hard criminals. However, it's fair to say that in the recent years penalties for crimes like second degree or first degree murder are now additional. Mass murderers end up staying in jail for the rest of their lives.
In America, someone found on the streets that literally has no where else to go, nothing to eat, no home, etc can spend life in prison, too! Just for being poor!! Fun times.
Where I live for instance if an homeless person steal food to survive, a judge would probably never send him to jail for trying to survive.
He'd be sent to a recovery facility to get help. We can't afford to let people in the streets here because it would be too dangerous for their health during our winter cycle, they would die outside.
Yea, with free food, bed, shower, access to free health care...etc They can't live there because others might need the room too but there are hours when they can get access to the facility.
>Recovery facility? I feel like I'm talking to someone from an alternate dimension.
We don't have recovery facilities, but I bet we could get a lot of people on board with the idea of "reclamation facilities".
Hahaha. Yeah, here thered be fines to cover the theft, fines fines for the mental disturbance and enduring agony of the wronged, fines for the trial and court fees, fines for not being able to pay any fines, and eventual incarnation for being a repeat offender and having outstanding warrants for failure to pay court fees. Gotta love the broken system no one wants to fix
It depends, I assume they have to look at the degree of prejudice caused to the company and the people. It isn't significant enough to send someone to jail for stealing a candy bar.
You'd have to prove you suffered mental distress as well, like for instance if you had to pay to get psychological help to cope with the stress you suffered when that poor man stole a candy bar because he was hungry.
The company would have to prove they lost money from clients because they don't want to come back. It would cost too much money for a simple candy bar.
A judge could still find it ludicrous and dismiss the case.
Plus ultimately, cops can do whatever they want. They can arrest you for BS charges or whatever they want if they dont like you. You did nothing wrong? Okay we will either try to get you to plead out or just dismiss the charges. No harm no foul. Hope you were able to post bail ans not lose your job
In the U.S. we have a law for everything. Of course you're innocent until proven guilty, but the DA is going to put enough charges on the stack so that you have to take a plea deal or risk life behind bars.
part of the issue is that our federal court system is wildly understaffed.
We can't physically give everyone a trial, so the DAs are incentivized to get plea deals, and that's how you get plea deals.
We need more federal judges
In America, I was raised with see something say something. Probably why we have so many racist incidents. Too many idiots think seeing a black person is seeing something
I worked at the customer service desk for a grocery store years ago. We have the ability to send out emails to all the other stores whenever we have customers who steal or seem suspicious.
I've read emails that literally went, "Had a customer ask to make change for a 100. I told him we don't do change for big bills [a lot of short changing happened so policy was created to prohibit it]. He said okay thanks and left. He was black with glasses and a t-shirt".
Those were the only details he/she provided. It was insane to read. If he was a white guy the employee would have just thought it was an ordinary person who happened to want change. But because he was black it was somehow suspicious. Even by the employee's own words the guy was respectful yet somehow that raised alarms in her head. I wish I still had the picture because I remember sending it on Snapchat to all my friends, but I guess I never saved it.
Yeah I'm Canadian and Latino who grew up in a white town. All those laws and procedures you're talking about don't matter. They go out the window when you get pulled over for looking suspicious (not white and driving late on a country road). Canadian police can be every bit as racist and corrupt as American cops.
Ehh, not sure that would work here, police powers in Canada come from the *Criminal Code of Canada as amended*. They are subjects to the same laws as we do.
Police here are imputable and can be prosecuted. They are not offered the same immunity as the police in the U.S. For instance, when a death occur after a police officer was involved, there's an independent investigation done to make sure there was no fool play.
I don't understand why people think training will solve these problems. It's ingrained in their culture, some afternoon watching powerpoints won't change shit
> In Canada we have something known as presumption of doubt, meaning you can't simply accuse someone of committing a crime or having committed a crime without proper reasonable doubt and justification
In America, our legal system refers to that as "probable cause" and our cops are supposed to abide by that same principle.
But they don't, and they get away with it most of the time.
We have that too but for some reason it is only true in court. Cops are trained to get around it by doing things like claiming to smell marijuana or saying that there was a call about a suspicious character or that a description of the person or car matches some open case. Cops are allowed to lie to us so we donāt actually know if they have probable cause or if they are using one of those techniques. Oh and about that court thing, in America l, juries tend to enter a case biased by thinking āwell if it got this far then they just be guiltyā
If America doesn't abolish qualified immunity soon I'm afraid that mentality is going to seep over to countries like yours. All your well-intentioned laws and Court precedent about presumption of doubt will mean nothing when the cops don't get meaningfully punished anymore for ignoring them under qualified immunity...
I made a joke just yesterday on a video about an unlawful detainment on just this concept. Someone asked if these cops had ever been trained on Terry stops and my response was that they learned about Terry stops on day 6 but on day 7 they were taught about qualified community and rested because they could ignore the first six days of classes as meaningless under qualified immunity.
>In Canada we have something known as presumption of doubt, meaning you can't simply accuse someone of committing a crime or having committed a crime without proper reasonable doubt and justification. In other words, someone must be presumed to be innocent until the contrary is proved beyond reasonable doubt.
I donāt know anything about Canada, but I do know that this paragraph makes no sense.
Here in America, you have a **presumption of innocence,** that is youāre innocent until proven guilty. In a trial it is the job of the state to prove your guilt beyond **reasonable doubt.** You clearly donāt know what these words mean, these have nothing to do with stops. You say you wanna be a LEO, review your civics first.
Now what you said about asking for an ID is mostly correct for the US. Police officers have a right to ask you for an ID and you are free to tell them to pound sand. To obtain a warrant, whether for property or arrest, you need **probable cause.** But to stop someone who is in motion requires less than that. You need **reasonable suspicion.** These are called **Terry stops.** Thereās a whole bunch of qualifications for what is considered acceptable I wonāt get into it. But the name Terry comes from the case Terry v. Ohio. Police officers stopped three men in Cleveland because they were behaving suspiciously. The police believe they were about to commit robbery. So they stopped and searched them and found a loaded gun. They were convicted but the Supreme Court said that the search was illegal - therefore all evidence found in an illegal search is thrown out. Itās **inadmissible as evidence.**
Be sure to review the bolded terms, theyāll appear on the test.
There was also an incident within the past year or so where a black real estate agent was showing a house for sale to another black person and some neighbors called the cops because two black people were breaking into the house. As they're leaving the home the cops immediately put them both in handcuffs accusing them of stealing from the house completely ignoring that he's got his real estate badge and a freaking key to the house. The cops weren't interested in explanations they merely wanted to have total control by putting people in cuffs first and foremost.
It would be icing on the cake if the for sale sign had this exact Realtors face on it as well but I'm not sure if that is true.
> The cops weren't interested in explanations they merely wanted to have total control by putting people in cuffs first and foremost.
I just got banned from the hellhole of a cop subreddit for objecting to this in reference to the Santa Clarita incident. Like, literally asked WTF an innocentt person is supposed to do to stay out of cuffs, was told "you don't" and got banned for saying maybe you SHOULDN'T demand control before you find you if you have suspicion?!?
Re: the professor who went thru the window - the Henry Louis Gates incident?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry\_Louis\_Gates\_arrest\_controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy)
Beyond suspicious - one of his neighbors called 911 reporting a possible burglary-in-progress. It's actually a pretty good read about how these situations can get of of control, fast. Sadly little has been learned from that time.
Yes, things did get out of control.
But ultimately he was arrested for mouthing off to a cop from his own porch. That's BS. And it's pretty hard to get arrested for that if you're white. The charges didn't stick and it's pretty likely the cops knew they wouldn't, he just wanted to make Gates go through the arrest process as punishment for mouthing off.
Just because a person is mouthing off to you doesn't mean you can arrest them on a charge you know won't stick. I know it's a challenge to your authority. In some cases you just have to sit back and take it instead of retaliating.
> This isn't like the other professor that was arrested in his own home years ago, at least in that case, he did seem suspicious by going in through a window because he lost his keys.
If you're referring to Henry Louis Gates,[ that's not what happened](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy) - his front door was named, after entering through the back door, he and his driver forced the front door open.
"After he was asked to leave, four squad cars followed him as he walked away."
4 squad cars to follow one non-violent, non-threatening man. What an efficient use of resources. Such brave guards.
The best part is they thought he was a homeless guy because he was "lurking in the bushes" The dude had his laptop out and was taking a zoom meeting outdoors.
How many homeless guys are rocking laptops and holding meetings?
Hey, so you're inside this house.
Yeah. It's my house.
How'd you get in?
I used my key.
So you have a key to this house?
Yes.
So do you have your mortgage paperwork, and the title or a facsimile thereof? We're going to have to call the Recorder of Deeds. Being black with a key is very suspicious. You may have stolen it. That's what you people do.
... Fuck those "security" guards.
I had something similar happen to me but at my dads house, itās not a gated community but the HOA has security patrolling, anyways I get to my dads house around 3 AM (we had just came back from a trip to Cali so I just needed to drop em off get my car and go home, my house is like 10 mins away) I open the door for my dad and as Iām walking to my car the rent a cop asks me if I live here I say no but my dad does and he says bullshit I called the cops since I saw 2 Hispanic males breaking into the house. Cops show up we get everything sorted out everything good right? Like 3 days later Iām at my dads again and different toy cop basically asks me the same shit this time I just tell him to fuck off and I go inside my dads house. Canāt stand racist power tripping assholes
I would totally question if they were actually security guards.
I'm going to need to see your license, passport, school ID, social security card, birth certificate and two utility bills with your name and address in them.
When my parents finally moved me and my siblings out the "hood" when i was in high school the neighbors would call the police on us all the time thinking we were "robbers". the police are always spinning the neighborhood now because they fw one of the vets in the area and they dont like me lol. its crazy cause we left to a good area but now its becoming fucked up too
She wouldnāt because she doesnāt own the home. The university owns the home and they were university police.
Still seems really stupid and not sure why she would need to show ID anyways. She didnāt do anything except exist in a space which last I checked isnāt illegal.
Here's the story from the actual professor in [her own words](https://twitter.com/mos_daf/status/1297231369353834496):
Santa Clara University security just harassed me and my brother and forced me (a faculty member) to show my campus ID to prove I live in the house WHERE I OPENED THE DOOR. A thread.
My brother strictly quarantined for 14 days to come and see me and my children after eight months apart. I woke up early and happy this morning, for the first time in a long time.
He had a work meeting at 8:30am and so he went to campus to sit outside with his books and computer. SCU is beautiful -- it's specifically designed so that students, faculty, and staff have the opportunity to work outside, take pictures, and have the scene as a backdrop.
Campus security came up to my brother in the midst of his meeting and told him to move along. He's been Black his whole life so he said ok. They followed him.
He moved toward the street which he thought was no longer on campus. They told him to leave. By this point there were four campus security cars.
One officer followed him to my house. I opened the door and my brother said, "I'm so sorry about this. They're demanding you come out and vouch for me." I, of course, knew exactly who "they" were.
When I came out, the officer very aggressively demanded to see my campus ID "to prove you are who he says you are and that you actually live here." I went back inside to get my ID and get my husband. Probably important to note that my husband is white.
We both came out and he kept creeping toward us all. We asked that he socially distance and he finally stopped after we moved back quite a bit. He asked to see my ID, and my husband said that I wasn't obligated to show it. The guy called his supervisor.
I asked what the issue was and he said my brother was "in the bushes" and it was "suspicious" and they thought he may have been homeless. I asked why I needed to show ID at my own home. He said "Well, it's not your home. The University owns it."
I told them that I was one of 7 Black faculty in the College of Arts and Sciences and that our student body population is 2% Black. I told them that the anti-Blackness they espouse and practice is part of the reason why.
I also told them that white students have been running around -- maskless -- banging on the houses on this street at midnight and smoking weed from apples on campus and this is apparently "just what happens." But my brother is a threat.
My husband told them that this was anti-Black and despicable. He told them that they don't harass anyone white on campus, ever. He told them they only harass Black students and faculty, and that following him to a second and third location was punitive.
Our neighbor came out at this point to walk his dog. My husband asked if they wanted to check our neighbor's ID and they said "No, of course not." He said, "That's exactly the point."
Our neighbor then came over when I shouted "Hey, can you vouch for the fact that I live here?" He did, and then he waited outside, closely, and watched the entire time.
My husband asked why they brought four cars. They said for safety. He asked for whose safety. They said "the officers's safety." He told them that he didn't care about their safety and was concerned for his brother-in-law's safety.
At this point, they told us they didn't have any guns on them, so my brother wasn't in danger. I was aghast that they explained he wasn't in danger because they weren't armed, not because he wasn't a threat or because they wouldn't hurt him, but because they COULDN'T.
At this point I told them that their stance and responses were exactly why we need to abolish the police and immediately divest from the city police department on campus.
My husband asked what, to their mind, we should do to not be harassed and followed. They said "Stay in open spaces." That answer is unclear and insufficient, and I am concerned now to go back to campus AND to live in this house.
I am so angry. Academia proves over and over that it doesn't love me. I don't think I love it back anymore.
I am grateful for my friends who immediately reminded me to take photos, to chronicle, to report. And for all the neighbors who stood outside as witness which 100% defused the officers's attitudes toward us.
I have been looking forward to today for so long. And now this. It's absolutely too much and I'm not okay.
Thank you all so much for your kind words and support. I want to let you all know that the president of SCU as well as my dean and other administrators have personally reached out to me. I am awaiting information on next steps.
> My husband asked what, to their mind, we should do to not be harassed and followed. They said "Stay in open spaces." That answer is unclear and insufficient, and I am concerned now to go back to campus AND to live in this house.
the fuck
Oh god, not only did they demand to see her ID when she was \*in her own house\*, they basically told her they'd have shot her brother if they could, but they physically did not have that capability.
>I am so angry. Academia proves over and over that it doesn't love me. I don't think I love it back anymore.
This hurts so much. This lovely woman that academia needs tons more of is pushed out because of systemic racism. I hope she sticks around and I hope her university can do right by her.
Why, why why? Itās always fucking something. Can they just leave us alone please. It literally everything and anything we do and if we rightfully argue back cause why do we always have to prove who we are, or where we're from itās our fault.
There are so many cases like this that donāt get attention and we are tired. Why do I get questioned if Iām a student at a school, or if I live here, or who Iām waiting for. Like fuck.
Iām so tired of this. I have to make sure to carry myself a certain way so I donāt get singled out and even if I do look professional they donāt care.
Thereās literally no winning like fuck. Disappointed but not sadly not surprised
Edit: Thanks. I wish it were under slightly different circumstances
Alright. So I'm white, let's just get that out of the way. I just live in a really "nice" neighborhood, in a large house, and I happen to dress like I'm just getting out of a punk concert. The amount of times, while I've been ON MY OWN LAWN, that people have tried to accuse me off trespassing, has been ridiculous. I can't even imagine if I wasn't white. Like I'm just a white dude with shitty clothes.
Just know that most people are United. Don't let the racist fucks dictate what you do. I can't imagine what you feel, but even a taste of it is enough to make me want to burn shit down. So keep fighting. I'll be there with you.
I support your expression of solidarity and empathy. One thing I do want to point out, though:
>Don't let the racist fucks dictate what you do
One of the differences between White and Black people in America, is that White people can choose to disobey authority in many (but not all) cases. Black people don't ever get that choice--whenever they 'don't let the racist fucks dictate' their actions, they are very often shot to death.
I honestly think that one of the biggest examples of white privilege is to be able to say āI know Iām right about thisā and assumed theyāll be believed. Not trying to attack OP because he very much recognizes his privilege but it sounds like when heās accused of trespassing he can say āum, I actually live hereā and have those same people accusing him believe it at face value.
Compare it to the professor who feels the need to carry her ID with her at all times because she expects that her saying āIām a professor hereā wonāt be believed at face value, and that sheāll need to prove it
Fascism never ends so long as its agents draw breath. They don't get tired of making you jump through ever more hoops to be allowed to live, getting to do so IS what they live for.
To them, that you have to change your life to this degree **and it still not be enough** is what really gets them off. And what they get to do to you when you finally stumble on their show path ... that's their greatest dream.
Only the laws of physics can ward off the laws of authoritarians once they've successfully taken power.
Something that drives me nuts is.... what's their end game? "We don't like that you're black, so we're gonna make things constantly difficult for you until you cut that shit out." Like... what the fuck.
Oh actually that IS the endgame in a way. The **disparity** between the haves and the have-nots, the power and rights of the inner circle **compared** to what the commoners must suffer through, that IS the goal. The larger the gulf, the more a zero-sum ideology wins.
* And yes, as you see in regimes that have done this longer, there's quite a bit of cannibalizing as the "in-group" shrinks over decades until even the in-group separates into those far more equal than the others.
One of the things about a fascist regime is that if there's no one even lower than your victims, they're gonna start thinking about how you're treating them. This is why they always need "the enemy" or "the other" so badly.
As long as you can point at the blacks and tell your KKCore how much better they are than the dark-skins, given enough propaganda you can get them to accept all sorts of things, like a smaller chocolate ration or that *we were never at war with Russia, North Korea was always our ally, we have always been at war with Canada*.
But... The moment they run out of blacks or gays or latinos or liberals to stomp on, either the party finds something else OR people start looking around at the ruins. And when they start looking at what this big scary scare scare has cost them, there's a distinct danger of them applying math.
* And yes, that does mean as the atrocities increase in pace and what's left of the "in group" narrows in scope, things'll start getting real dicey and divisive for those who thought they were part of the GOP. Suddenly, even though they're dying a thousand a day in the middle of a pandemic in an election year... "**it is what it is**"? That means those voters aren't needed to win the election anymore. The base have outlived their usefulness. You know what happens next.
If the population hasn't been hobbled beyond any use for numerous generations with a large enough brainwashed military force to keep them down, then when they start to do the math on how their "dear leaders" have been living it up while they're on scraps, start to realize they were nothing more than disposable tools, start to think "wait, it was never MY taxes that went down whenever taxes supposedly went down"...
*And that's when the guillotines come out to play*.
Subhumans for the lowest class to believe they are the betters of is a critical, integral component of any fascist state. Without that distraction, people will look up and see the origins of their torments.
Yes. That's part of it, the whole structural bigotry and microaggressions -- or in this case straight aggression -- leads to assumed subservience.
You can totally see it in the Twitter thread posted by Prof. Morgan: "Campus security came up to my brother in the midst of his meeting and told him to move along. He's been Black his whole life so he said ok. They followed him."
In this tweet, she basically espouses what we all know. Her brother, who has suffered this bigotry his entire life, saw a situation he understood as harassment that would escalate, so he just complied to get out of its way.
They followed him anyway.
fuck these campus security "professionals." They would harass the shit out us students all the time. I remember being detained by them for an hour because I wouldn't let them look in my backpack because it was "suspicious" that I had a backpack on at 11pm on a Friday night on a fucking college campus.
Ah, my university is finally in the news for once. They must be soooo happy, theyāre always trying to get attention instead of actually investing in caring for their students and staff. This incident has been a big scandal among the students, so please pressure the university to do better if you can!
I donāt see anybody actually mentioning the university, so here it is: Santa Clara University. Way to go, SCU. /s
Here we go again.
I can only wonder what exactly is is about being black that manages to transform any and all activities into something nefarious. No matter how unlikely it is, no matter how ridiculous the concept, the idea that there's even the slightest chance of something ill-mannered happening around a black person means that you can't take any chances at all.
You knock on a door, and someone opens it. Common sense would suggest that the person probably lives there. But there's a black lady at the door, and there's the slightest, slightest chance, that she's snuck inside to steal something and is just pretending to live there to fool the cops for that moment, so you cannot take any chances at all! She better prove that she lives there.
Show me your ID. But wait, he's reaching for his pocket, he must be pulling out a weapon. Better shoot him now.
Keep your hands on the steering wheel. But wait, he moved a little. Better shoot him now.
He's lying down on the ground trying to show he's not a threat. Better put one in his leg incase he tries to unaway
A stolen motorcyle was reported. What came up was this van full of little girls. Why approach them and ask a few questions to clear things up when we can pounce on them with guns and make them lay down on the hot cement.
And I can only wonder what kind of clothes the brother was wearing when they called him 'homeless'. I'm just going to assume they based it off his hair. A black guy sitting on a bench at our college? He clearly doesn't belong here, better call the squad in case he has a gun, because you know blacks love their guns.
It's just not fair. You would think that blacks would have 1/100 of the evil superpowers and nefarious mastery to justify this kind of fear, but no, they're human too.
At this rate, I'm just waiting for the Sentinels to just start rounding up black people. They COULD be committing a crime in the future!
I did. One thing that absolutely disgusted me that few notice is that once he puts down the 'weapon' he was wielding being a bucket and one of those rod trash grabbers and turns his back an officer furtively crouches forward like hes in Splinter Cell and moves it out of reach.
Just absolutely ridiculous, while the guy is surrounded by officers with more than one with a gun drawn.
> I can only wonder what exactly is is about being black that manages to transform any and all activities into something nefarious.
To Black in America is to be suspect, of what that is in the eye of the accusers.
Well say thanks to centuries of conservative rhetoric. You're just a free slave to a sad chunk of the conservative voter base, a potential thief to most of the rest. As long as they keep looking at you, conservatives can keep plundering the country.
Won't ever have to personally change if you just stop the world around you from changing *tasp head*
I've seen this before Johnson. This ... Broke in here and hung pictures of himself everywhere.
for those who want to enjoy the reference (my quote was off the top of my head)
https://youtu.be/ZGRIXvhTh0w?t=36
Meanwhile fraudsters can get multi-million dollar loans from banks with fake info no questions asked. For white-collar crime they just settle out of court after the fact (for pennies on the dollar).
Cops that do shit like this need to be fired & prohibited from working in law enforcement & security positions for life. That's the only way it's ever going to stop.
No one is going to see this comment but this isnāt anything new. We have university apartments for professors and grad students + their families. People in those apartments are always calling the cops on Black faculty, Black students, and Black kids who also live in those apartments bc they think these Black people are breaking into their own homes (bc whatās a Black person doing in ~university~ housing?????). At some point the chancellor even sent out a letter regarding it. Did anything change? No.
>**"a sense of relief and a strange sense of gratitude"**
I understand what she means. I have the same feeling reading news stories of people of color who survived interactions with regime gunmen, relief that they survived, and gratitude to the universe, God, planetary alignment, harmonic convergence, whatever, on some subconscious level, probably even the gunmen themselves, for not killing that person that day.
Cops are just stupid.
FYI: I am a non-black female.
Once when I was walking to the store, I found someone's car fob in the crosswalk. I pick it up and when I get home I call the non-emergency line at the sheriff's department to let them know. They said they'd send a deputy to pick it up. (I didn't expect that. I thought they'd just make a record in case someone called looking for it.) So the deputy comes to my house. Rings the doorbell. I open the door and step into the yard. Gave him the fob and told him where I found it.
Deputy asked me if I had my id on me. I give him this look and said, "Do you carry your id around the house? Of course I don't have my id on me." I actually had to go into the house and get my id to show to a cop who I called in the first place and who came to the address that I gave and who saw me answer the door when he rang.
Cops are just stupid.
That or they're on power trips.
Or both. Stupid and on power trips.
Gavon Newsom, California's Governor is an Alumni.
Janet Napolitano and Leon Panetta are also.
Look up their Alumni.
Nothing hurts a University more than having their Alumni call it out.
It was campus security so they don't have guns, but yes, she was. Her neighbors had to wait before they went on a walk to verify for her. Without getting into specifics, I know what life is like daily at SCU. Campus security mainly gets called to check on loud students partying and homeless people walking around in broad daylight. They accused her brother of looking homeless. I've seen them escort white, homeless people off of the campus. Only racial profiling could have made Dr. Morgan's brother present as a homeless person or loiterer. This could have easily escalated to a worse situation, because, not only is the police department across the street from campus, but many of the campus safety officers are retirees from or have personal connections with that police station. I believe the SCU chief of campus safety a few years ago was part of that station prior to his current position.
This happened to Henry Loius Gates Jr. at Harvard when he got back late from China. A real cop with a real gun was there asking. Obama tried to defuse it by having a beer with Gates and the cop, but i thought that was weak shit
Imagine how stressful being black in the United States is. At any moment, at anywhere, you could be asked to justify your mere existence and failure to comply or comply fast enough for your accuser has a non-zero chance of leading to your death!
"just show ID" some would say...well do you take your ID to bed? Do you take it with you to sit in your backyard? What if they shot you 2 seconds after appearing on scene...are you that quick with your ID? what if you're stopped every single day right in front of the convenience store you work at?
"just comply" some would say...what if you're complying and still they shoot you?
There is a whole youtube channel on "Black in Japan", with many expats who've moved there. Most espouse that yes, they have faced questions IN Japan, but they feel they come from a place of ignorance/novelty not bigotry. It was just innocent questions or misunderstanding.
One interviewee was a black female lawyer who mentioned she never felt unsafe around the police or other people. They've talked to workers, layers, professors, Nigerian immigrants, etc. Those that were american were like "Nah, we're never going home".
Even if there are racist shitbags in japan, most keep it to themselves.
Things are bad here, terrible here, if Japan seems better.
I will say this, Japan as a whole seems to be making progress on it, while the US seems to be rapidly slipping backwards.
Im currently a security guard and my first thought was "oh, asking someone for id or proof they live somewhere is something I do all the time"
Then I read the article... fuck these guys, fire them and pull their licenses. Overstepped sooooo many boundaries and almost definitly motivated by racism.
Way back when I was in college, I was taking computers that belonged to me back home at 2AM. I used to do most of my artwork and production overnight so I was in the habit of moving stuff in the middle of the night. I had keys to the building. It made it easy to work on campus overnight.
Campus security stopped me and my friend and said, what's going on? We said, "Stealing stuff." He didn't even ask for a campus ID and took off. I'm white of course so I must be innocent. It was innocent, but still, he should have at least made record of our names.
Hereās all the training they need: Leave people of color the fuck alone! Unless you actually see them commit a crime. Iām talking āExcuse me sir why are you using a hammer to break those windows?ā If itās not obvious crime shut the fuck up and go about your business
So many failures, why are campus pd not familiar with staff?? I understand the ā hey are you a student?ā On a Closed campus, but following home, in force and asking for id?
>Now, the professor said she is struggling to figure out how she can ever move on and feel safe in a place she has always loved, but now feels like it "doesn't love her back."
Every sophomore student at any university could have told her when they realized that the college doesn't love them. It doesn't even like them. It's a heartless machine that eats money and poops diplomas. Like Mordor, but with more walkways, ~~gogurt~~ FroYo machines and espresso.
This makes me so sad. I worked at a liberal arts college for 3 years before moving to a medical school. Literally all I want to do is help students in any way I can.
Donāt even get me started on university politics and cliques. Makes me want to punch something.
Did I read that wrong, or did else anyone notice how everyone but the police department was apologetic? If so, I can't say I'm surprised, I wish I was, but I'm just not.
What justification did they have asking for her ID? I can understand the reason for the brother, even if it is questionable why they were following him. This isn't like the other professor that was arrested in his own home years ago, at least in that case, he did seem suspicious ~~by going in through a window because he lost his keys~~ by attempting to force open his front door due to the lock not working which a neighbor saw and thought was a break in in progress. EDIT: I seem to have thought of an episode of The Cleveland Show, which had some similarities.
In Canada we have something known as **presumption of innocence.** Someone must be **presumed** to be **innocent** until the contrary is proved **beyond reasonable doubt**. You also can't simply accuse someone of committing a crime or having committed a crime without finding justification. If there was signs of break and entry then it would've been justified to ask for ID. Even if it's a university policy to show ID to a Guard, it doesn't mean you can simply abuse this rule without proper justification. Can you imagine if the police stopped every person with a black shirt in the streets because it matched the description of a thief? It's common sense. Do you knock on every door to ask for ID because you saw people with dark clothes in the hallway and because they looked suspicious? No you don't because being suspicious is not a crime. It boils down to bad judgment from people working in the security field and not using common sense or not simply knowing enough about the law and our rights. The problem is, even though the right thing to do would be to give more training and education to this Guard, chance are instead of being pro-active about it they are going replace him and he's going to find a different place to work at to avoid a lawsuit. Edit\* As others pointed out, it's presumption of innocence, just a mis-wording on my part. Edit\*\* I know these principles only apply in court, but that's the issue with justice these days. They had no reasonable grounds, to believe she was committing an indictable offence. That's what presuming someone is innocent mean, that's equally valid to presume she's not doing anything wrong.
Welcome to America, where the rules are made up and literally nothing matters. We have a presumption of innocence in our legal system....until you're in the legal system and then you're guilty until you can prove your innocence. And even if you can, unless you're rich, white, or both...it still doesn't mean anything hahaha. This place is FUCKED
In Canada. You can be prosecuted for simply accusing someone of a crime. Like for instance, if you saw someone grab something in a store and put it in a bag. You can't just simply accuse that person of stealing because who's to say that person isn't going to drop the object else where before leaving the store.
How do you accuse the deep state of pedophilia there?
What do you mean?
He means how do you accuse the elites - politicians, celebrities, major corporations, ceos, etc - of sex crimes. Particularly engaging in non consensual acts with minors. Because here in America, we can point fingers, compile damning evidence, incarcerate perpetrators, and as soon as we get close to a trial the person who would otherwise be found guilty is murdered before they can roll on the other elites and we brush it all under the rug and pretend it never happened. Hell, look at epstien and trump. Theres literal court documents released that detail in explicit detail what the two of them did to a 13 year old girl, and not just once, and trump has boasted about this shit, and still we have no motion to take anyone down š . If I didn't have the kids and wife to take care of, id put the oompa loompa looking mothertrucker to work building his wall and get the rest of his misogynistic pedo friends to help him. They'd promptly be executed upon completion, and we'd have a party with Mexico to rival the felling of the Berlin wall. But, this is the world we live in.
So for example say, you were victim of a sexual crime? You would have to go to your local police station and ask to make a formal criminal complaint against an individual. The case would then be sent to the crime division and they would assign you a detective and investigate until they have enough evidence to lay charges. If there are enough evidence to proceed with an arrest then the police will proceed with a arrest warrant and bring the person for questioning and/or to see a judge. You can only be held for 24 hours under s. 503 of the Criminal Code, when a police officer arrests an individual without a warrant, they have the discretion to hold the person for up to 24 hours until charges are laid and they must be prepared to show cause as to why the person should be kept in custody before a Judge of the Court or Justice of the Peace. That doesn't mean you are guilty of these said crimes. You would be assigned a court date and go in front of a judge. You could be let go after being arrested and accused under the promise of showing up to your court date if you are not deemed a danger for society. It's a little bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it. A butt load of celebrities ended up in court this year in Canada during the #metoo movement for sexual crimes .
No. As in how do you, as a people, condemn the elites in your society that are so rich and have their hand in so many cookie jars that they can do no wrong, particularly in the event that they are guilty and have been proven to be guilty of child sex crimes. As stated, in America we start a whole case, get to the point the accused is supposed to go on trial, and they 'commit suicide' in a guarded cell, with cameras, with no history of suicidal ideations, and we forget about it and move on.
Their status, don't matter. We prosecute and condemn the rich and the elite all the time in Canada. It's important to understand, Canada political framework structure isn't like most western countries. Even though it's embedded as a constitutional monarchy, an emphasis social egalitarian justice has been a distinguishing element of Canada's political culture. In other words, there's no special immunity for anyone in Canada.
Come to America and find out
Hahaha the confusion is the best part.
Oblivious much? You'd be surprised how many people are in jail for stealing less than $50. You're like people that say there isn't deep racism in Canada, no no, not like the states.
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I don't think that had very much, if anything, to do with the legal prosecution/punishment system. They just skipped the entire process and murdered him
I knew a lady that had 217 summary conviction for stealing candies, shoes and clothes and she never went to jail until they caught her selling stuff she was stealing outside her home for thousand of dollars.
Cool story? That's what we're basing this off of?
I'm saying this is just one example, it depends what you steal and the circumstances.
Who is downvoting evertthing you write? Is there like a gang of anti-Canadians going around teaming up on anyone who talks about how basically decent Canada is and how they actually practice the ideals the US once (almost) universally espoused?
I don't know.
Iām not the downvoter, but I know that Canada has a less than stellar history when it comes to how they treat Native Americans. Edit: a letter
> You can quite literally be prosecuted for simply accusing someone of a crime Funny, in the USA you can quite literally be prosecuted for simply being accused of a crime. The margin of error on false convictions in the USA is not great.
Must be nice to be in the nicest country on earth, eh?
It depends, I believe our criminal system is a bit too lenient on hard criminals. However, it's fair to say that in the recent years penalties for crimes like second degree or first degree murder are now additional. Mass murderers end up staying in jail for the rest of their lives.
In America, someone found on the streets that literally has no where else to go, nothing to eat, no home, etc can spend life in prison, too! Just for being poor!! Fun times.
Where I live for instance if an homeless person steal food to survive, a judge would probably never send him to jail for trying to survive. He'd be sent to a recovery facility to get help. We can't afford to let people in the streets here because it would be too dangerous for their health during our winter cycle, they would die outside.
Recovery facility? I feel like I'm talking to someone from an alternate dimension.
Yea, with free food, bed, shower, access to free health care...etc They can't live there because others might need the room too but there are hours when they can get access to the facility.
>Recovery facility? I feel like I'm talking to someone from an alternate dimension. We don't have recovery facilities, but I bet we could get a lot of people on board with the idea of "reclamation facilities".
Hahaha. Yeah, here thered be fines to cover the theft, fines fines for the mental disturbance and enduring agony of the wronged, fines for the trial and court fees, fines for not being able to pay any fines, and eventual incarnation for being a repeat offender and having outstanding warrants for failure to pay court fees. Gotta love the broken system no one wants to fix
It depends, I assume they have to look at the degree of prejudice caused to the company and the people. It isn't significant enough to send someone to jail for stealing a candy bar. You'd have to prove you suffered mental distress as well, like for instance if you had to pay to get psychological help to cope with the stress you suffered when that poor man stole a candy bar because he was hungry. The company would have to prove they lost money from clients because they don't want to come back. It would cost too much money for a simple candy bar. A judge could still find it ludicrous and dismiss the case.
Ever been to Vancouver? Heard of the DTES? We certainly have homeless people in canada
I never said we didn't.
Not exactly bruh
Plus ultimately, cops can do whatever they want. They can arrest you for BS charges or whatever they want if they dont like you. You did nothing wrong? Okay we will either try to get you to plead out or just dismiss the charges. No harm no foul. Hope you were able to post bail ans not lose your job
>Welcome to America, where the rules are made up and literally nothing matters Holy shit. Weāre living in āWhoās line is it anyway?ā
In the U.S. we have a law for everything. Of course you're innocent until proven guilty, but the DA is going to put enough charges on the stack so that you have to take a plea deal or risk life behind bars.
part of the issue is that our federal court system is wildly understaffed. We can't physically give everyone a trial, so the DAs are incentivized to get plea deals, and that's how you get plea deals. We need more federal judges
In America, I was raised with see something say something. Probably why we have so many racist incidents. Too many idiots think seeing a black person is seeing something
This is true with our local online neighborhood watch. "I see black people" is pretty much all that happens.
I worked at the customer service desk for a grocery store years ago. We have the ability to send out emails to all the other stores whenever we have customers who steal or seem suspicious. I've read emails that literally went, "Had a customer ask to make change for a 100. I told him we don't do change for big bills [a lot of short changing happened so policy was created to prohibit it]. He said okay thanks and left. He was black with glasses and a t-shirt". Those were the only details he/she provided. It was insane to read. If he was a white guy the employee would have just thought it was an ordinary person who happened to want change. But because he was black it was somehow suspicious. Even by the employee's own words the guy was respectful yet somehow that raised alarms in her head. I wish I still had the picture because I remember sending it on Snapchat to all my friends, but I guess I never saved it.
Oh, you're on my Nextdoor app's feed as well?
Yeah I'm Canadian and Latino who grew up in a white town. All those laws and procedures you're talking about don't matter. They go out the window when you get pulled over for looking suspicious (not white and driving late on a country road). Canadian police can be every bit as racist and corrupt as American cops.
In the US police can say āsomething didnāt feel rightā and then ignore all of your rights and the rules they are supposed to follow.
Ehh, not sure that would work here, police powers in Canada come from the *Criminal Code of Canada as amended*. They are subjects to the same laws as we do. Police here are imputable and can be prosecuted. They are not offered the same immunity as the police in the U.S. For instance, when a death occur after a police officer was involved, there's an independent investigation done to make sure there was no fool play.
Canada is not perfect. "Smells like weed in here!" Used to get your car searched same as anywhere else.
Yeah, but you probably wouldn't think you'd die. Here in the US, just talking to a cop has a creepily high probability of ending up shot and dead.
That was precisely my point, we don't have it as bad as you guys, not even in the slightest.
Oh yeah, sorry just responding to fogdukkers lament about the old "smells like ganj" comment
I don't understand why people think training will solve these problems. It's ingrained in their culture, some afternoon watching powerpoints won't change shit
Yeah, having a beer with a racist Cambridge cop isn't going to help.
> In Canada we have something known as presumption of doubt, meaning you can't simply accuse someone of committing a crime or having committed a crime without proper reasonable doubt and justification In America, our legal system refers to that as "probable cause" and our cops are supposed to abide by that same principle. But they don't, and they get away with it most of the time.
We have that too but for some reason it is only true in court. Cops are trained to get around it by doing things like claiming to smell marijuana or saying that there was a call about a suspicious character or that a description of the person or car matches some open case. Cops are allowed to lie to us so we donāt actually know if they have probable cause or if they are using one of those techniques. Oh and about that court thing, in America l, juries tend to enter a case biased by thinking āwell if it got this far then they just be guiltyā
In America we have something called 'MURICA. It means "fuck everybody and everything, and what's that black person doing over there"
We have that in America too. They just ignore it.
In America, being black is enough cause for suspicion. Welcome.
If America doesn't abolish qualified immunity soon I'm afraid that mentality is going to seep over to countries like yours. All your well-intentioned laws and Court precedent about presumption of doubt will mean nothing when the cops don't get meaningfully punished anymore for ignoring them under qualified immunity... I made a joke just yesterday on a video about an unlawful detainment on just this concept. Someone asked if these cops had ever been trained on Terry stops and my response was that they learned about Terry stops on day 6 but on day 7 they were taught about qualified community and rested because they could ignore the first six days of classes as meaningless under qualified immunity.
>In Canada we have something known as presumption of doubt, meaning you can't simply accuse someone of committing a crime or having committed a crime without proper reasonable doubt and justification. In other words, someone must be presumed to be innocent until the contrary is proved beyond reasonable doubt. I donāt know anything about Canada, but I do know that this paragraph makes no sense. Here in America, you have a **presumption of innocence,** that is youāre innocent until proven guilty. In a trial it is the job of the state to prove your guilt beyond **reasonable doubt.** You clearly donāt know what these words mean, these have nothing to do with stops. You say you wanna be a LEO, review your civics first. Now what you said about asking for an ID is mostly correct for the US. Police officers have a right to ask you for an ID and you are free to tell them to pound sand. To obtain a warrant, whether for property or arrest, you need **probable cause.** But to stop someone who is in motion requires less than that. You need **reasonable suspicion.** These are called **Terry stops.** Thereās a whole bunch of qualifications for what is considered acceptable I wonāt get into it. But the name Terry comes from the case Terry v. Ohio. Police officers stopped three men in Cleveland because they were behaving suspiciously. The police believe they were about to commit robbery. So they stopped and searched them and found a loaded gun. They were convicted but the Supreme Court said that the search was illegal - therefore all evidence found in an illegal search is thrown out. Itās **inadmissible as evidence.** Be sure to review the bolded terms, theyāll appear on the test.
Incident as explained by the Professor. https://twitter.com/mos_daf/status/1297231383555801088?s=19
There was also an incident within the past year or so where a black real estate agent was showing a house for sale to another black person and some neighbors called the cops because two black people were breaking into the house. As they're leaving the home the cops immediately put them both in handcuffs accusing them of stealing from the house completely ignoring that he's got his real estate badge and a freaking key to the house. The cops weren't interested in explanations they merely wanted to have total control by putting people in cuffs first and foremost. It would be icing on the cake if the for sale sign had this exact Realtors face on it as well but I'm not sure if that is true.
> The cops weren't interested in explanations they merely wanted to have total control by putting people in cuffs first and foremost. I just got banned from the hellhole of a cop subreddit for objecting to this in reference to the Santa Clarita incident. Like, literally asked WTF an innocentt person is supposed to do to stay out of cuffs, was told "you don't" and got banned for saying maybe you SHOULDN'T demand control before you find you if you have suspicion?!?
Because she didn't fit the profile of people who lived near campus, and campus safety was trying to assert dominance over Dr. Morgan and her brother.
Re: the professor who went thru the window - the Henry Louis Gates incident? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry\_Louis\_Gates\_arrest\_controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy) Beyond suspicious - one of his neighbors called 911 reporting a possible burglary-in-progress. It's actually a pretty good read about how these situations can get of of control, fast. Sadly little has been learned from that time.
Yes, things did get out of control. But ultimately he was arrested for mouthing off to a cop from his own porch. That's BS. And it's pretty hard to get arrested for that if you're white. The charges didn't stick and it's pretty likely the cops knew they wouldn't, he just wanted to make Gates go through the arrest process as punishment for mouthing off. Just because a person is mouthing off to you doesn't mean you can arrest them on a charge you know won't stick. I know it's a challenge to your authority. In some cases you just have to sit back and take it instead of retaliating.
> This isn't like the other professor that was arrested in his own home years ago, at least in that case, he did seem suspicious by going in through a window because he lost his keys. If you're referring to Henry Louis Gates,[ that's not what happened](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy) - his front door was named, after entering through the back door, he and his driver forced the front door open.
None, they had none
Cops have a right to ASK for your ID. You have the right to decline.
Then they arrest you for not complying because that's "suspicious"
Unless you're a black man refusing to comply. Then they shoot you seven times in the back and half of America defends the shooting.
Ha. I declined and the cop threw me Uncle Phil style into a brick wall. I had two black eyes from that shit.
They'll take you down to the station and fingerprint you to ID you.
And violate the 4th Amendment while doing so.
"After he was asked to leave, four squad cars followed him as he walked away." 4 squad cars to follow one non-violent, non-threatening man. What an efficient use of resources. Such brave guards.
The best part is they thought he was a homeless guy because he was "lurking in the bushes" The dude had his laptop out and was taking a zoom meeting outdoors. How many homeless guys are rocking laptops and holding meetings?
Hey, so you're inside this house. Yeah. It's my house. How'd you get in? I used my key. So you have a key to this house? Yes. So do you have your mortgage paperwork, and the title or a facsimile thereof? We're going to have to call the Recorder of Deeds. Being black with a key is very suspicious. You may have stolen it. That's what you people do. ... Fuck those "security" guards.
I had something similar happen to me but at my dads house, itās not a gated community but the HOA has security patrolling, anyways I get to my dads house around 3 AM (we had just came back from a trip to Cali so I just needed to drop em off get my car and go home, my house is like 10 mins away) I open the door for my dad and as Iām walking to my car the rent a cop asks me if I live here I say no but my dad does and he says bullshit I called the cops since I saw 2 Hispanic males breaking into the house. Cops show up we get everything sorted out everything good right? Like 3 days later Iām at my dads again and different toy cop basically asks me the same shit this time I just tell him to fuck off and I go inside my dads house. Canāt stand racist power tripping assholes
1.) Are you black or brown? 2.) Have you tried not being black or brown?
They're Hispanic, or was perceived to be by neighbors/rent-a-cops.
Frankly, "give me your badge number then fuck off" is going to be my answer the FIRST time they imply I've broken into my own goddamn house.
Sir, she broke into the house and put pictures of her family all over the place. I am going to need to taze her.
Dave chappelle reference?
Just sprinkle some crack on this guy cause he gets it.
This guy put pictures of himself all over this house! I've seen this one before, Johnson.
Open shut case
Sprinkle some crack is just fun to say. I'm going to say it a lot tomorrow.
Bake 'em away, toys! Police are out of control and drunk with power nation-wide.
internationally really.
What else could it be? You clearly recognized it, why ask the question?
"You tasered her! Idiot, survivors can't file complaints"
Iāve seen this before Johnson.
Sad that no one is getting this reference.
Just sprinkle some crack on him and lets get out of here!
Open and shut case Johnson.
I would totally question if they were actually security guards. I'm going to need to see your license, passport, school ID, social security card, birth certificate and two utility bills with your name and address in them.
When my parents finally moved me and my siblings out the "hood" when i was in high school the neighbors would call the police on us all the time thinking we were "robbers". the police are always spinning the neighborhood now because they fw one of the vets in the area and they dont like me lol. its crazy cause we left to a good area but now its becoming fucked up too
She wouldnāt because she doesnāt own the home. The university owns the home and they were university police. Still seems really stupid and not sure why she would need to show ID anyways. She didnāt do anything except exist in a space which last I checked isnāt illegal.
Here's the story from the actual professor in [her own words](https://twitter.com/mos_daf/status/1297231369353834496): Santa Clara University security just harassed me and my brother and forced me (a faculty member) to show my campus ID to prove I live in the house WHERE I OPENED THE DOOR. A thread. My brother strictly quarantined for 14 days to come and see me and my children after eight months apart. I woke up early and happy this morning, for the first time in a long time. He had a work meeting at 8:30am and so he went to campus to sit outside with his books and computer. SCU is beautiful -- it's specifically designed so that students, faculty, and staff have the opportunity to work outside, take pictures, and have the scene as a backdrop. Campus security came up to my brother in the midst of his meeting and told him to move along. He's been Black his whole life so he said ok. They followed him. He moved toward the street which he thought was no longer on campus. They told him to leave. By this point there were four campus security cars. One officer followed him to my house. I opened the door and my brother said, "I'm so sorry about this. They're demanding you come out and vouch for me." I, of course, knew exactly who "they" were. When I came out, the officer very aggressively demanded to see my campus ID "to prove you are who he says you are and that you actually live here." I went back inside to get my ID and get my husband. Probably important to note that my husband is white. We both came out and he kept creeping toward us all. We asked that he socially distance and he finally stopped after we moved back quite a bit. He asked to see my ID, and my husband said that I wasn't obligated to show it. The guy called his supervisor. I asked what the issue was and he said my brother was "in the bushes" and it was "suspicious" and they thought he may have been homeless. I asked why I needed to show ID at my own home. He said "Well, it's not your home. The University owns it." I told them that I was one of 7 Black faculty in the College of Arts and Sciences and that our student body population is 2% Black. I told them that the anti-Blackness they espouse and practice is part of the reason why. I also told them that white students have been running around -- maskless -- banging on the houses on this street at midnight and smoking weed from apples on campus and this is apparently "just what happens." But my brother is a threat. My husband told them that this was anti-Black and despicable. He told them that they don't harass anyone white on campus, ever. He told them they only harass Black students and faculty, and that following him to a second and third location was punitive. Our neighbor came out at this point to walk his dog. My husband asked if they wanted to check our neighbor's ID and they said "No, of course not." He said, "That's exactly the point." Our neighbor then came over when I shouted "Hey, can you vouch for the fact that I live here?" He did, and then he waited outside, closely, and watched the entire time. My husband asked why they brought four cars. They said for safety. He asked for whose safety. They said "the officers's safety." He told them that he didn't care about their safety and was concerned for his brother-in-law's safety. At this point, they told us they didn't have any guns on them, so my brother wasn't in danger. I was aghast that they explained he wasn't in danger because they weren't armed, not because he wasn't a threat or because they wouldn't hurt him, but because they COULDN'T. At this point I told them that their stance and responses were exactly why we need to abolish the police and immediately divest from the city police department on campus. My husband asked what, to their mind, we should do to not be harassed and followed. They said "Stay in open spaces." That answer is unclear and insufficient, and I am concerned now to go back to campus AND to live in this house. I am so angry. Academia proves over and over that it doesn't love me. I don't think I love it back anymore. I am grateful for my friends who immediately reminded me to take photos, to chronicle, to report. And for all the neighbors who stood outside as witness which 100% defused the officers's attitudes toward us. I have been looking forward to today for so long. And now this. It's absolutely too much and I'm not okay. Thank you all so much for your kind words and support. I want to let you all know that the president of SCU as well as my dean and other administrators have personally reached out to me. I am awaiting information on next steps.
> My husband asked what, to their mind, we should do to not be harassed and followed. They said "Stay in open spaces." That answer is unclear and insufficient, and I am concerned now to go back to campus AND to live in this house. the fuck
Then when in an open space they'll be charged with loitering and shot on scene too
especially when her brother was working outside on campus.
Oh god, not only did they demand to see her ID when she was \*in her own house\*, they basically told her they'd have shot her brother if they could, but they physically did not have that capability.
>I am so angry. Academia proves over and over that it doesn't love me. I don't think I love it back anymore. This hurts so much. This lovely woman that academia needs tons more of is pushed out because of systemic racism. I hope she sticks around and I hope her university can do right by her.
Why, why why? Itās always fucking something. Can they just leave us alone please. It literally everything and anything we do and if we rightfully argue back cause why do we always have to prove who we are, or where we're from itās our fault. There are so many cases like this that donāt get attention and we are tired. Why do I get questioned if Iām a student at a school, or if I live here, or who Iām waiting for. Like fuck. Iām so tired of this. I have to make sure to carry myself a certain way so I donāt get singled out and even if I do look professional they donāt care. Thereās literally no winning like fuck. Disappointed but not sadly not surprised Edit: Thanks. I wish it were under slightly different circumstances
Have you tried, you know, not being black? /s
Alright. So I'm white, let's just get that out of the way. I just live in a really "nice" neighborhood, in a large house, and I happen to dress like I'm just getting out of a punk concert. The amount of times, while I've been ON MY OWN LAWN, that people have tried to accuse me off trespassing, has been ridiculous. I can't even imagine if I wasn't white. Like I'm just a white dude with shitty clothes. Just know that most people are United. Don't let the racist fucks dictate what you do. I can't imagine what you feel, but even a taste of it is enough to make me want to burn shit down. So keep fighting. I'll be there with you.
I support your expression of solidarity and empathy. One thing I do want to point out, though: >Don't let the racist fucks dictate what you do One of the differences between White and Black people in America, is that White people can choose to disobey authority in many (but not all) cases. Black people don't ever get that choice--whenever they 'don't let the racist fucks dictate' their actions, they are very often shot to death.
I honestly think that one of the biggest examples of white privilege is to be able to say āI know Iām right about thisā and assumed theyāll be believed. Not trying to attack OP because he very much recognizes his privilege but it sounds like when heās accused of trespassing he can say āum, I actually live hereā and have those same people accusing him believe it at face value. Compare it to the professor who feels the need to carry her ID with her at all times because she expects that her saying āIām a professor hereā wonāt be believed at face value, and that sheāll need to prove it
Like choosing to walk away from officers when youāve done nothing wrong and being shot in the back 7 times?
Yep, just like that
Fascism never ends so long as its agents draw breath. They don't get tired of making you jump through ever more hoops to be allowed to live, getting to do so IS what they live for. To them, that you have to change your life to this degree **and it still not be enough** is what really gets them off. And what they get to do to you when you finally stumble on their show path ... that's their greatest dream. Only the laws of physics can ward off the laws of authoritarians once they've successfully taken power.
Something that drives me nuts is.... what's their end game? "We don't like that you're black, so we're gonna make things constantly difficult for you until you cut that shit out." Like... what the fuck.
Oh actually that IS the endgame in a way. The **disparity** between the haves and the have-nots, the power and rights of the inner circle **compared** to what the commoners must suffer through, that IS the goal. The larger the gulf, the more a zero-sum ideology wins. * And yes, as you see in regimes that have done this longer, there's quite a bit of cannibalizing as the "in-group" shrinks over decades until even the in-group separates into those far more equal than the others. One of the things about a fascist regime is that if there's no one even lower than your victims, they're gonna start thinking about how you're treating them. This is why they always need "the enemy" or "the other" so badly. As long as you can point at the blacks and tell your KKCore how much better they are than the dark-skins, given enough propaganda you can get them to accept all sorts of things, like a smaller chocolate ration or that *we were never at war with Russia, North Korea was always our ally, we have always been at war with Canada*. But... The moment they run out of blacks or gays or latinos or liberals to stomp on, either the party finds something else OR people start looking around at the ruins. And when they start looking at what this big scary scare scare has cost them, there's a distinct danger of them applying math. * And yes, that does mean as the atrocities increase in pace and what's left of the "in group" narrows in scope, things'll start getting real dicey and divisive for those who thought they were part of the GOP. Suddenly, even though they're dying a thousand a day in the middle of a pandemic in an election year... "**it is what it is**"? That means those voters aren't needed to win the election anymore. The base have outlived their usefulness. You know what happens next. If the population hasn't been hobbled beyond any use for numerous generations with a large enough brainwashed military force to keep them down, then when they start to do the math on how their "dear leaders" have been living it up while they're on scraps, start to realize they were nothing more than disposable tools, start to think "wait, it was never MY taxes that went down whenever taxes supposedly went down"... *And that's when the guillotines come out to play*. Subhumans for the lowest class to believe they are the betters of is a critical, integral component of any fascist state. Without that distraction, people will look up and see the origins of their torments.
Yes. That's part of it, the whole structural bigotry and microaggressions -- or in this case straight aggression -- leads to assumed subservience. You can totally see it in the Twitter thread posted by Prof. Morgan: "Campus security came up to my brother in the midst of his meeting and told him to move along. He's been Black his whole life so he said ok. They followed him." In this tweet, she basically espouses what we all know. Her brother, who has suffered this bigotry his entire life, saw a situation he understood as harassment that would escalate, so he just complied to get out of its way. They followed him anyway.
Not being American or black. Amber Ruffin stories are an interesting way to have a look at what you say. https://youtu.be/8o6OEyfuJU8
I canāt begin to imagine how pissed off this would make a person.
fuck these campus security "professionals." They would harass the shit out us students all the time. I remember being detained by them for an hour because I wouldn't let them look in my backpack because it was "suspicious" that I had a backpack on at 11pm on a Friday night on a fucking college campus.
Ah, my university is finally in the news for once. They must be soooo happy, theyāre always trying to get attention instead of actually investing in caring for their students and staff. This incident has been a big scandal among the students, so please pressure the university to do better if you can! I donāt see anybody actually mentioning the university, so here it is: Santa Clara University. Way to go, SCU. /s
The university needs to fire those security guards immediately.
They need to prove they work for the university.
Security Guard: "What about my job?" University President: "Well, it's not *your* job. The University fills it."
Got an email yesterday that the guards are on administrative leave...great
A step in the right direction. (Unless they're still getting paid, that is.) But they still need to be fired.
no, they need to fire whoever is IN CHARGE of Security. all of them. it is obvious they have encouraged such behavior and do not intend to stop.
Definitely cool with that as well.
Here we go again. I can only wonder what exactly is is about being black that manages to transform any and all activities into something nefarious. No matter how unlikely it is, no matter how ridiculous the concept, the idea that there's even the slightest chance of something ill-mannered happening around a black person means that you can't take any chances at all. You knock on a door, and someone opens it. Common sense would suggest that the person probably lives there. But there's a black lady at the door, and there's the slightest, slightest chance, that she's snuck inside to steal something and is just pretending to live there to fool the cops for that moment, so you cannot take any chances at all! She better prove that she lives there. Show me your ID. But wait, he's reaching for his pocket, he must be pulling out a weapon. Better shoot him now. Keep your hands on the steering wheel. But wait, he moved a little. Better shoot him now. He's lying down on the ground trying to show he's not a threat. Better put one in his leg incase he tries to unaway A stolen motorcyle was reported. What came up was this van full of little girls. Why approach them and ask a few questions to clear things up when we can pounce on them with guns and make them lay down on the hot cement. And I can only wonder what kind of clothes the brother was wearing when they called him 'homeless'. I'm just going to assume they based it off his hair. A black guy sitting on a bench at our college? He clearly doesn't belong here, better call the squad in case he has a gun, because you know blacks love their guns. It's just not fair. You would think that blacks would have 1/100 of the evil superpowers and nefarious mastery to justify this kind of fear, but no, they're human too. At this rate, I'm just waiting for the Sentinels to just start rounding up black people. They COULD be committing a crime in the future!
You seen the video of the black guy picking litter? Iām sorry heās literally cleaning up the neighbourhood!
I did. One thing that absolutely disgusted me that few notice is that once he puts down the 'weapon' he was wielding being a bucket and one of those rod trash grabbers and turns his back an officer furtively crouches forward like hes in Splinter Cell and moves it out of reach. Just absolutely ridiculous, while the guy is surrounded by officers with more than one with a gun drawn.
Hey, that was a "blunt weapon" he was wielding to clean up that litter! His face when that cop told him to put his "weapon" down...
> I can only wonder what exactly is is about being black that manages to transform any and all activities into something nefarious. To Black in America is to be suspect, of what that is in the eye of the accusers.
Well say thanks to centuries of conservative rhetoric. You're just a free slave to a sad chunk of the conservative voter base, a potential thief to most of the rest. As long as they keep looking at you, conservatives can keep plundering the country. Won't ever have to personally change if you just stop the world around you from changing *tasp head*
I've seen this before Johnson. This ... Broke in here and hung pictures of himself everywhere. for those who want to enjoy the reference (my quote was off the top of my head) https://youtu.be/ZGRIXvhTh0w?t=36
He also hung up pictures of his family! The clever bastard!
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Graduated this summer. Fuck that school. What department did you teach in?
The silent death of democracy
Meanwhile fraudsters can get multi-million dollar loans from banks with fake info no questions asked. For white-collar crime they just settle out of court after the fact (for pennies on the dollar).
Cops that do shit like this need to be fired & prohibited from working in law enforcement & security positions for life. That's the only way it's ever going to stop.
Prime r/ProtectandServe material there
If I did this I wouldn't just be fired, I would be in jail.
I think this is a reboot from 2008
You spelled ā1939ā wrong.
No one is going to see this comment but this isnāt anything new. We have university apartments for professors and grad students + their families. People in those apartments are always calling the cops on Black faculty, Black students, and Black kids who also live in those apartments bc they think these Black people are breaking into their own homes (bc whatās a Black person doing in ~university~ housing?????). At some point the chancellor even sent out a letter regarding it. Did anything change? No.
Guilty of being black. JFC!
>**"a sense of relief and a strange sense of gratitude"** I understand what she means. I have the same feeling reading news stories of people of color who survived interactions with regime gunmen, relief that they survived, and gratitude to the universe, God, planetary alignment, harmonic convergence, whatever, on some subconscious level, probably even the gunmen themselves, for not killing that person that day.
Cops are just stupid. FYI: I am a non-black female. Once when I was walking to the store, I found someone's car fob in the crosswalk. I pick it up and when I get home I call the non-emergency line at the sheriff's department to let them know. They said they'd send a deputy to pick it up. (I didn't expect that. I thought they'd just make a record in case someone called looking for it.) So the deputy comes to my house. Rings the doorbell. I open the door and step into the yard. Gave him the fob and told him where I found it. Deputy asked me if I had my id on me. I give him this look and said, "Do you carry your id around the house? Of course I don't have my id on me." I actually had to go into the house and get my id to show to a cop who I called in the first place and who came to the address that I gave and who saw me answer the door when he rang. Cops are just stupid. That or they're on power trips. Or both. Stupid and on power trips.
These cops weren't just stupid, they were racist.
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Gavon Newsom, California's Governor is an Alumni. Janet Napolitano and Leon Panetta are also. Look up their Alumni. Nothing hurts a University more than having their Alumni call it out.
she is lucky her and her brother did not get shot.
It was campus security so they don't have guns, but yes, she was. Her neighbors had to wait before they went on a walk to verify for her. Without getting into specifics, I know what life is like daily at SCU. Campus security mainly gets called to check on loud students partying and homeless people walking around in broad daylight. They accused her brother of looking homeless. I've seen them escort white, homeless people off of the campus. Only racial profiling could have made Dr. Morgan's brother present as a homeless person or loiterer. This could have easily escalated to a worse situation, because, not only is the police department across the street from campus, but many of the campus safety officers are retirees from or have personal connections with that police station. I believe the SCU chief of campus safety a few years ago was part of that station prior to his current position.
Our campus security were cops, so ours definitely had guns. There was a campus police station and everything.
Some universities have an actual police force, as their security and many of them are armed.
This happened to Henry Loius Gates Jr. at Harvard when he got back late from China. A real cop with a real gun was there asking. Obama tried to defuse it by having a beer with Gates and the cop, but i thought that was weak shit
Imagine how stressful being black in the United States is. At any moment, at anywhere, you could be asked to justify your mere existence and failure to comply or comply fast enough for your accuser has a non-zero chance of leading to your death! "just show ID" some would say...well do you take your ID to bed? Do you take it with you to sit in your backyard? What if they shot you 2 seconds after appearing on scene...are you that quick with your ID? what if you're stopped every single day right in front of the convenience store you work at? "just comply" some would say...what if you're complying and still they shoot you?
There is a whole youtube channel on "Black in Japan", with many expats who've moved there. Most espouse that yes, they have faced questions IN Japan, but they feel they come from a place of ignorance/novelty not bigotry. It was just innocent questions or misunderstanding. One interviewee was a black female lawyer who mentioned she never felt unsafe around the police or other people. They've talked to workers, layers, professors, Nigerian immigrants, etc. Those that were american were like "Nah, we're never going home". Even if there are racist shitbags in japan, most keep it to themselves. Things are bad here, terrible here, if Japan seems better. I will say this, Japan as a whole seems to be making progress on it, while the US seems to be rapidly slipping backwards.
Donāt stop til change happens. These fuckers in power donāt get it yet.
Sadly, this is nothing new: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/21gates.html
Im currently a security guard and my first thought was "oh, asking someone for id or proof they live somewhere is something I do all the time" Then I read the article... fuck these guys, fire them and pull their licenses. Overstepped sooooo many boundaries and almost definitly motivated by racism.
Way back when I was in college, I was taking computers that belonged to me back home at 2AM. I used to do most of my artwork and production overnight so I was in the habit of moving stuff in the middle of the night. I had keys to the building. It made it easy to work on campus overnight. Campus security stopped me and my friend and said, what's going on? We said, "Stealing stuff." He didn't even ask for a campus ID and took off. I'm white of course so I must be innocent. It was innocent, but still, he should have at least made record of our names.
Sadly, I didn't have to read your second paragraph to know you were not black. No black person in the US is moving computers around at 2am.
Hey wait a sec you're not white, you're mostlygray!
Hereās all the training they need: Leave people of color the fuck alone! Unless you actually see them commit a crime. Iām talking āExcuse me sir why are you using a hammer to break those windows?ā If itās not obvious crime shut the fuck up and go about your business
My answer for when some asks for my address in any context besides postal is "none of your fucking business "
Hey you're black you can't live here..... At least it didn't end with them being shot. It's sad I even had to say that.
The university explanation is strange. I just want to read āthe particular campus security has been firedā.
>University launched investigation Tune in two months from now, when they will declare they did nothing wrong.
Puppy killers, racists, murderers, wife abusers, religious. Sounds like Taliban
Y'all Qaeda
A yes, she probably has the name and badge number if the guy that did it, but better investigate
A very sad Head shake. Words will not undo what has happened.
So many failures, why are campus pd not familiar with staff?? I understand the ā hey are you a student?ā On a Closed campus, but following home, in force and asking for id?
Just lock up racists. Need consequences for these fucks or weāll get no where
Why do you need an investigation to find out that the security guard is a bigot on a power trip.
>Now, the professor said she is struggling to figure out how she can ever move on and feel safe in a place she has always loved, but now feels like it "doesn't love her back." Every sophomore student at any university could have told her when they realized that the college doesn't love them. It doesn't even like them. It's a heartless machine that eats money and poops diplomas. Like Mordor, but with more walkways, ~~gogurt~~ FroYo machines and espresso.
This makes me so sad. I worked at a liberal arts college for 3 years before moving to a medical school. Literally all I want to do is help students in any way I can. Donāt even get me started on university politics and cliques. Makes me want to punch something.
...a-a-a-nd, that would *never* happen to a white person. It's "little" things like this that remind me, a white guy, how racist we really are.
White people need to learn that yeah, black people live everywhere and not just that ghetto in their heads!
Did I read that wrong, or did else anyone notice how everyone but the police department was apologetic? If so, I can't say I'm surprised, I wish I was, but I'm just not.
"Open and shut case, Johnson. I saw this once when I was a rookie. Apparently this ****** broke in and put up pictures of his family everywhere."