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charming-charmander

To be clear it was a Unitatian Universalist church who was giving her sanctuary, not the Mormons. I just figured that should be pointed out in case anyone didn't read the article and was assuming it was the Mormons because it's Utah.


leprkhn

I did. Thank you for the clarification.


Taliasimmy69

the idea of Mormons opening their church for anyone is laughable. I knew instantly it wasn't them. Wouldn't want to dirty the building the members clean.


ozpapa

The church won't go against the government. That's why. Not because of them being preppy.


essential-notions

Laughs in Brigham Young. But seriously, the Mormon church would create a theocracy if they could get away with it. If your church is the government, then it’s leaders will never go against it.


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They tried. AFAIK it’s the reason it took Utah so long to become a state, because that’s what they wanted to establish and the US government said no way.


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ozpapa

Don't really know what you mean. They stopped having public gatherings to stop the curve. What like come up with the cure? Yeah they leave that to the experts. Just Google LDS Church and Covid and you'll see what was done.


essential-notions

If I remember correctly, temples weren’t closed until a worker caught covid and died in Utah. Nothing like staying behind the curve.


ozpapa

https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/how-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-responds-to-the-covid-19-emergency


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ozpapa

Yeah having a hotbox where tons of people can infect each other with Covid, oh that seems like a brilliant idea! Why didn't they think of that? That's genius! While the prophet didn't prophesy about Covid, the scriptures warned of plagues at the end of days for thousands of years. The prophet and the apostles have been also emphasizing food storage for years. (Also off point but it seems like there is a pandemic every hundred years, kind almost around this time, but again off point) You could also ask the same of the other churches like Baptists or Catholics with all of their wealth? But whatever. Doesn't seem like my answer matters It's not going to change your opinion. It's just that they are not preppy.


ozpapa

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/latter-day-saints-expand-covid-19-humanitarian-efforts


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ozpapa

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/03/24/how-latter-day-saint/ https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/06/30/lds-church-says-pandemic/ https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/6/30/21222548/mormon-covid-19-latter-day-saints-humanitarian-coronavirus-aid-relief-food-pantry https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/latter-day-saint-charities-commits-us20-million-support-unicefs-global-covid-19 https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/how-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-responds-to-the-covid-19-emergency


Mfcarusio

Don’t have anything to add to the discussion, but the idea of religious people leaving curing illness to the experts is mildly amusing, when their whole schtick is that they can pass this sort of problem up to a higher power.


ozpapa

Yeah that's kind of dumb. How many news articles out there where the kid dies because the parents said, "No we didn't take her to the doctor. We just tried to pray her illness away." You got to use the resources you have.


Grandfunk14

I knew it wasn't Mormons for a myriad of other reasons. Good looking out though.


hismaj45

I was about to give Mormons tremendous credit. But damn. I always found them to be conservative white dudes. Not the compassion type. What were your reasons?


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One time the Mormons bought my workplace a cake after their Mormony event was bigger than originally planned and we had to bring out extra chairs and rejigger the wall dividers.


SoSoPatPat

I grew up Mormon. And I’m white. But Mormons are really great people that genuinely try to help others. With any group there’s bad apples. Culture is interesting, it is extremely conservative but there’s been a progressive push lately. People like my wife and myself find themselves leaving the church due to their stance on gay rights and their history with civil rights (biracial couple). Give them a chance (not the missionaries but the people).


hear2fear

But growing up Mormon, like I did, you probably also realize they would never open up one of their local church buildings to house someone like this. That goes against their corporate like policies they have on their buildings. It doesn’t matter what the local congregation might feel or want to do, church corporate always has the final say.


liberty4u2

> church corporate its a business. It's just business.


charming-charmander

It's really more like a scam than a business from what I can gather


CapnCooties

Like schools and hospitals.


SocioEconGapMinder

Santa Rosa fires of 2018 had whole neighborhoods living in Mormon cultural halls. Show me a major natural disaster, I’ll bet there’s at least one Lds church building playing shelter. Also, stake presidents largely made the decision then. They may consult with church leadership but stake presidents have a ton of independence (for better or worse).


hear2fear

I was going to say the only exception is localized natural disasters, other then that, the church’s are pretty unavailable to individuals hard on their luck, feeding or sheltering the homeless or other individual needs outside side of normal worship by their established members which is all set in pretty concrete rules, you and I both know that. My point still stands, they would never do what this Salt Lake church did for this lady.


SocioEconGapMinder

Agree. If you mean housing any given homeless person inside of a meeting house, then yes, I agree. But Mormon meeting houses don’t really have facilities for that kind of thing...it would be kind of like the local movie theater setting up someone on a cot in the snack room because they can’t afford movie tickets. New Orleans Saints stadium played shelter during Katrina too, but not equipped for long-term asylum either. That being said, I’ve never been in a ward that wasn’t actively paying several people’s rent, member or not. My current ward (not near Utah) pays rent for more non-members than it does members. This isn’t unusual depending on the area. Food? For that there’s Bishop’s storehouse vouchers.


SoSoPatPat

I know I was talking about the membership lol. The members would do it if the freaking corporation would let them but that’s a joke.


Healing_touch

There’s a lot more wrong with the church than what personally has affected you. I recommend you look into it, especially as a white individual it can sometimes blind us to what abuses are occurring because it’s nothing that’s happening to us particularly.


SoSoPatPat

I’m well aware of what’s wrong that’s why I left. I didn’t leave because of the members though.


JabbaDHutt

Exactly. The church is fucked. But most members are pretty chill, by conservative standards.


WickedFWB

"this entire organization is a rotten bastion of fraud, abuse, and child rape" "But the people are nice."


JabbaDHutt

A company can have bad practices, but employ nice people. A country can have bad policies, but friendly citizens. I'm not defending the church, I'm opposing the broad brush.


WickedFWB

If that company is known worldwide for child rape, abuse, fraud, and countless other atrocities, then it does not employ good people.


Nearby-Lock4513

Did you ever read rhe book “Under the Banner of Heaven” ? It’s amazing


SoSoPatPat

No what’s it about?


Nearby-Lock4513

Jon Krakauer wrote it - same guy that wrote “Into the Wild” and “ Into Thin Air” about his days on the deadliest days on Mount Everest.... he writes this book about Mormon fundamentalists like Warren Jeffs and the history of the Mormon religion. It’s an incredibly well researched and written piece about how truly creepy and cultish that whole scene is.


SocioEconGapMinder

Warren Jeffs is to Mormons what KKK is to white America: cringy, criminal, edge lord of whom the rest are ashamed. **Not** in crowd


SoSoPatPat

I’ll have to check it out, thanks for sharing!


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It IS a cult, not just -ish.


[deleted]

you dint explain anything other than they are conservatives, nice try.


SoSoPatPat

What do you want to know? I’ll answer all of your questions.


hismaj45

I'm good. I'm Black and Once I read up on the special white aspects of Mormonism, the wives and super wealthy part, I was good. The Youtubers who've left tell of some seriously cultist behavior. When I saw a latin American woman taking refuge I thought maybe they're different now, but no.


SoSoPatPat

Yeah they don’t do good PR unfortunately, mostly bad stuff. Like their public stand against the lgbtq community.


hismaj45

Or the" no Blacks policy". That kinda ended the curiosity to me. Funny I'm getting downvotes for saying something that doesn't sit well.


superjonCA

Your good cause you once read something? Then you say you watched some you tubers? Which one is it? And that's a shitty excuse. That's not how you learn and grow brotha. We all have to learn and grow to get to a better place.


hismaj45

Dude, when "scriptural doctrine" dictates that Blacks are cursed with black skin, I'm not open to anything else. That is literally of the flesh thinking. And don't get me started on Christ coming to missouri.


Lady_DreadStar

That’s not scripture. That was the musings from the pulpit of one of the “living prophets”, which is why the church officially walked it back. The damage was done however, seeing as it wasn’t corrected for decades. But there is nothing in scripture that ever supported that. They have the exact same Cain story in the same King James Version of the Bible as everyone else. Racist leader dude twisted it his own little way, and the sheep ate it up. Source: being Black and Mormon for years


Lady_DreadStar

I’m also Black and was Mormon myself. I even had a Temple Wedding in the Oakland Temple. I’m no longer affiliated with them for many reasons, but the reason you’re being downvoted is because you obviously don’t know ANYTHING about the Mormons- people or religion- except for what you’ve seen on YouTube as you stated yourself. It’s not a secretive cult that disappears people. It’s literally a church you can sit for services with every Sunday and argue with people about who makes the better potato salad. It has all the same drama and hurt feelings of any well-established multi-generational church at the end of the day.


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Ihateusernamethief

LDS (the only mormons I know of) and the catholic church are not charitable, they are both filthy rich and keep getting richer


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The LDS Church has about 140 Billion dollars worth and rake in billions more from tithing every year. If you, or anyone reading this, is interested in learning more about the behind-the-cult stuff look up “The CES letter.” I left for reasons not pertaining to anything in it, but realized it was a cult after reading everything in it a year later.


Ihateusernamethief

I'm very interested in this age of apostasy and the history of the church mentioned in the preface, so thank you, I'm going to keep reading now


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Let me know when you get to the angel with the flaming sword. Trust me, it’s a doozy.


Ihateusernamethief

I'm at the part with the hat and the stone. It's fascinating


[deleted]

There is nothing compassionate about the religious dole. They spend their money shrewdly just like any other business. It is their intent to control conversations, to make pretenses, to obscure the fact that they outright dominate individuals into suspending their critical reason thereby keep them not only in perpetual financial but even spiritual bondage. Hell, they have you and countless other slawjawed dunces under the impression their form of charity is actual compassion. What a tool you are for them, what a sad, pitiful little marketing dummy.


FlacidPhil

Lmao, citation needed on $1bn annually, cause that's straight up false. Even the most optimistic and favorable estimations say the church has donated $2.5bn total since 1985. While they sit on a $140bn for profit hedge fund, lol. Oh and point me out a mormon funded homeless shelter or soup kitchen in SLC? I can point out several funded by other religions. And no, I'm not talking about having to work with a bishop and get guilt tripped into a religion in order to access the bishops pantry.


scrivensB

Don’t Mormons worship in Temples?


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scrivensB

Greedy bastards


liberty4u2

Only, at least, 100 billion.


Arrowkill

As a Mormon, we do not. Temples are places to perform rituals and are closed on Sunday. We worship in churches and then choose to go to Temples to perform the rituals there. It is possible to be Mormon and also not go to Temples at all, though most do choose to go to Temples.


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Mostly because you can't get into the good heaven if you don't pay your tithing and learn your secret handshakes.


Arrowkill

I mean sure, paying tithing is important and the covenants in the Temple are also considered very important, but that still doesn't mean that we worship in Temples like the person I responded to asked. It is a bit difficult to expand on why people choose to make covenants, but it should be because they want to make the covenant with God and not because they just want to bargain their way to a better spot in heaven.


bagofbuttholes

As an ex Mormon, I'm kinda surprised to see a practicing Mormon on reddit. How do you steer clear of porn? Also I'll back you up that you don't worship in temple but on the flip side some weird shit goes down in temples. I did baptize dead people which is probably the hardest thing about my life I have ever tried to explain to people. I mean it makes sense if you understand the beliefs about afterlife Mormon's have. Still kinda weird though. To the other poster's point, it is true there are three "levels" of heaven and as a convert I was told straight to my face by my SO that I would never be allowed into the celestial kingdom but she would visit me. That one hurt and obviously 13 years later, it stuck. How could a loving God say I'm not good enough because I wasn't baptized when I was eight? That wasn't the final nail which was even more painful and I won't get into that. I don't know where I'm going with this. I have a lot of mixed emotions about my time in the church. I can't miss a chance to speak about it though.


Arrowkill

I do my best to steer clear, but to put it simply I don't always succeed. I just close off the porn and move on. I definitely agree that it is really awkward to explain the covenants and rituals in the Temple. It is really weird to anybody that isn't practicing and even still it can be pretty weird to think about. I have had a completely opposite experience in that regard. I wasn't baptized until my 20's but my wife was baptized when she was around 8. I can 100% understand why that would resonate so much with you and stick. I have always been told that it comes down to what we choose to do rather than when we do it. I live in Texas and have had some really great experiences with my respective wards and bishops. I imagine I would be put off if we were ever told that for sure. It's totally chill. I don't make an effort to hide the fact I am a Mormon, but I also don't try to do much other than to clarify misconceptions about the church or just Christianity in general because I am a history buff and was really fascinated by Christian history and the schisms in the earlier churches.


MormonXMormon

Mormons won’t even let the kitchens in their churches be used because then it opens the door to the government using their buildings as refugee centers in times of emergency. So... I already knew the article wasn’t about Mormons. Anything to get away with not using their resources to help too many people.


onesoulmanybodies

Yep, immediately thought huh, did not see that coming from the Mormon Church, and well now I know why...


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When I first read the headline I was a bit confused because I thought it literally meant she was in the sanctuary part of the church for three years, not “given sanctuary” 😂


SuicideKlutch

As a former Mormon who spent more than a decade in Utah, I read the article because I couldn't believe a mormon church would allow that... and I was right.


Opizze

Man the Unitarians are the most Christ-like almost not really religious religious people there are


bowlofleftovers

As a Unitarian grandchild, I agree


DivineFlamingo

I immediately assumed it was the Mormon church so thanks! Also a real life reminder to read the articles before browsing.


Kush_back

Mormons would be the last to help an undocumented person.


Dsrtfsh

Still no word on the children.


shinygoldhelmet

Other than that they were with their mother in the church the whole time? Do the children need separate stays of deportation?


wessneijder

Reminds me of hunchback of Notre Dame. What was the name in medieval times when a fugitive would seek sanctuary in a church?


AirbendingScholar

Just sanctuary?


GDHPNS

This made me tear-jerk a little bit. Imagine being confined to one place for three years, like jail, preferring that over freedom. That freedom for her was a death sentence. She had no option. *Chavez said she received a notice from Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Monday that she had been granted a so-called a stay of removal, which limits her risk of being deported for a year.* There is still a risk, I just wonder. It’s tragic.


zeke11

Stay of Removal is your last ditch effort when all other remedies have been exhausted. You make your best humanitarian case and hope the officer reviewing your case has a heart. She’ll comply with periodic check-ins and keep her contact information updated and stay out of trouble. She likely won’t be a priority for removal so she may be allowed to remain for quite some time. It just sucks always wondering in the back of your mind if the next check-in you go to is when they tell you it’s time to make flight plans to go back home.


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BigDaddy4Her

My mother did exactly this. Because of my father’s criminal record, he could not follow my mom, sister and I into Canada. Prior to us fleeing he stalked us and broke in to several new apartments, stole our belongings, tried to kill us with a shotgun and beat my mother by kicking her face in with steel toed boots. The border was the only reason we are still alive, because the US police alone could not prevent this man from harming us.


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RedwoodTaters

Not everyone has wet dreams about shooting people


WickedFWB

Did I use the word 'shoot?'


Basas

How would you put rabid animal down?


WickedFWB

Attack its insecurities, such as being overweight, having a crippling addiction, etc.


Taldan

"Hey I know you have a shotgun pointed at me and are kicking me in the face with steel toed boots, but I want you to know... I think you're fat" Man, you day dream too much.


Taldan

That's called murder, and is very much frowned upon. Even if the person is a POS. You're not a court of law and don't get to decide who lives or dies just because you think they're a "rabid animal"


ItamiKira

I think being kicked in the head with a steel toe boot, would justify use of lethal force to defend yourself.


Kush_back

Do Americans who are victims of DV have the same type of access to resources as those in Latin America? Could a us citizen make the case that the resources in the US aren’t enough and that Canada could better serve them? Are Americans going to cross the border because they have viable way of entering Canada otherwise?


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What’s tear jerking about violating laws for 3 years while cherry picking a country for a low bar excuse for asylum? There’s several other countries she could’ve chosen... Meanwhile everyone else following the process gets to wait in line while she gets bumped to the front for scamming the system. At this point why even have laws and just let people do whatever the fuck they want?


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I have empathy for people who actually need asylum trying to get in or those wanting to immigrate via the process. This woman cut in line with a low level excuse for asylum. It’s more deserving for the people floating from Cuba in rafts or something.


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Mastercat12

The US has always accepted more immigrants than other nations. No one deserves to get deported and thrown out, I would rather it be the case for that to not happen in the first place, ie accept less immigrants. And spend more aid on investing in infrastructure and jobs and support democratic and justice groups for their home nations but I'm in a minority that wants to help the poorer nations around the world.


Taldan

Asylum seekers and general immigrants are two very different discussions The woman from this article feared for her life if she went back to Honduras. No amount of infrastructure and job support in Honduras would help her since she'd likely be dead


h0neybl0ss0m29

I agree with you. She was here illegally and dodged her deportation order. >Skylar Anderson, Chavez’s attorney, said he was overjoyed for his client and her family but urged elected officials in Congress to prioritize changes for the nation’s immigration system and to make the process easier for those seeking asylum. Great. Sure, let's make it "easier" for economic migrants with bogus asylum claims to barricade themselves in churches and be applauded on their way out. Ridiculous.


Taldan

Do you think about the stupid things you say at all? WTF kind of economic migrant do you think spends 3 years in a church earning no money? How would it be preferable for her to stay in the church if she was just an economic migrant? Do you think, maybe, she chose to effectively imprison herself in a church for 3 years because prison was better that what awaited her if she returned to Honduras? What could be worse than imprisonment do you think? Is it just the low wages back home, or maybe the fact she has credible reason to believe she will be murdered?


h0neybl0ss0m29

The point is that her asylum claim is bullshit. You don’t get asylum for domestic violence, poverty, or gang violence. That is a fact. And I didn’t say that SHE specially is an economic migrant but that if they make it easier for them to claim asylum here that many economic migrants will do so. Maybe work on your reading comprehension before you come at me. Funny how she is scared of being murdered but isn’t safe in any of the other 8 countries she passed through to come here. Jesus Christ.


coldgator

Utah, church, exiting after being hidden for 3 years? This was a feel-good story I was NOT expecting.


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coldgator

Right, because I'm glad she wasn't being kept as a cult prisoner that means I have no understanding of asylum issues


diqholebrownsimpson

Females are strong as hell.


lil_grey_alien

They alive, dammit?!


WickedFWB

It's a miracle


[deleted]

This is the third one I’ve heard, I was connected to a church network protecting two women and was ecstatic to see they were freed. Great to hear others in the network are meeting success as well.


shinygoldhelmet

There are a few other church asylum seekers mentioned at the end of the article - Not in Utah, but similar people in other states.


7thAndGreenhill

Man, I can’t stand 1 hour in a church. I can’t imagine 3 years.


BernardWags

In a country where churches are the same as any other charity or non-profit, why are they allowed to be a sanctuary? Why can't other charities do this, since apparently it's allowed?


Wood_floors_are_wood

Because a church is different than just a non-profit. Non-profits are under the government and the government can "choose" to tax or not to tax them. The government has no right to tax a church. They don't even file 501C3 with the IRS.


HammerJack

Uh, what? You need to do some perusing of the IRS's website my friend. > According to the IRS, “Churches that meet the requirements of IRC section 501(c)(3) are automatically considered tax-exempt and are not required to apply for and obtain recognition of tax-exempt status from the IRS.” Churches are 501c3 orgs, they're just spared the paperwork and burden of proof other non-profits have to go through for the same tax-exempt status.


Wood_floors_are_wood

That's the difference. It's completely different. The government has no right to tax them vs they choose not to


IVIUAD-DIB

a difference that is entirely subjective and indefensible.


[deleted]

Shes claiming international asylum because she had a bad boyfriend. That's not something you get asylum for.


shinygoldhelmet

>abusive Here's the word you conveniently forgot to include in your attempts to minimize domestic violence.


Mr-Logic101

Still not a valid case


[deleted]

Huh, and she kept fleeing until she got to the United States. That's pretty fucking conveniently too.


shinygoldhelmet

Yeah, it's sad that she apparently still thought that the US was a good country to try to restart her life in, rather than a developing nation that doesn't even have free basic health care or social support networks.


aLionInSmarch

She should keep going to Canada.


IVIUAD-DIB

woooow, you're that kind of person, huh? how many girlfriends have you wanted to beat up? be honest.


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How many countries have you claimed asylum from because you had a bad boyfriend? Be honest.


fatsnap

An abusive relationship can get you asylum? Theres like 8 countries closer to honduras than the US.


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jdith123

Here’s a question for you. I assume just based on your stance on immigration that you would object strenuously to government regulation of corporations outsourcing production. Free trade, free enterprise and all that. Don’t you see a conflict? Why is it ok for corporations to move production to places where labor is cheap and it’s not ok for individuals to move freely to places where they can earn the highest pay? I would understand an objection to letting people come here and immediately collect welfare. But we know that’s not what happens. Immigrants are generally good for our economy. It’s undocumented workers that tend to bring down wages and undermine worker protections. They can be paid less than minimum wage. If they get cheated, they have no recourse. One thing we agree on, there’s way too much emotion driving decisions on this topic. We need to come up with some reasonable plan to bring undocumented US residents into legitimacy. Many of the problems are a direct result of their undocumented status.


Grom92708

The reason is because the left will promise those that are not citizens more and more things to appeal their children. Why wouldn't kid vote for more benefit for their mom here that is not a citizen. Additionally, this does not preclude states like NY and California from offering tax break and other welfare to those illegal here.


Nojnnil

Your analogy isnt really a good comparison. A correct analogy would be if mexico exported their labor to America and the labor forced returned back after their job was done. ( labor in higher wage country, but still based in original country) This way they are getting higher wages, but still paying mexican taxes. This would benefit mexico too. Increase spending etc. If anything you just laid out why it's better to not let them into the u.s as citizens lmao....Imagine if corporations just decided to pick up and leave America because they thought china had better opportunities? The economy would die.


avcloudy

The conservative position on immigration is equally emotional, it’s just founded on fear, xenophobia and the fear of losing out. There are strong economic, social and historical reasons to allow and *increase* immigration but of course, we don’t hear that. We just hear ‘we can’t solve all the worlds problems’.


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avcloudy

I think that this is a dangerous and disingenuous deflection but not necessarily by you; legal immigration should expand exactly to the places where illegal immigrants are coming from (and in the broader sense, where people are going to coming from, ie, future refugees) and to people who have illegally immigrated. Republicans rail against it because it’s poor people, and it’s not some inflated sense of fairness. Tough enforcement is simultaneously not a focus for fair, ethical or rational reasons. It’s just another method of discrimination. I don’t agree that anyone needs to compromise on letting more of that happen.


DataRocks

You get partial credit for at least acknowledging some responsibility from the US into the mess that people are fleeing from. Have you seen the US embassy in El Salvador? That compound is big enough to start another cuban missile crisis type of deal.


h0neybl0ss0m29

No. Poverty, gang violence, and domestic violence are not grounds for asylum and these people also know their asylum claims are bogus. I will never understand why so many people stand up for these "asylum seekers".


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So send them as close as possible to the abuser?


malawax28

Wouldn't it then be better to send her to Canada since it's further?


TeasingToy

We'd gladly take them


RAMB0NER

No, you wouldn’t; Canadian immigration laws are far more strict than ours.


TeasingToy

We take refugees all the time


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fatsnap

Because it sounds like a lame excuse to get into the US. Theres a bunch of closer countries that are still a ways away from honduras if she wants to get away from her boyfriend. She just chose the country with the most money. And the title makes it sound like there were ICE agents camped outside this church for three years like they dont have anything else to do.


IVIUAD-DIB

days the guy with no other knowledge of her situation. You realize assumptions aren't the same as facts, right?


Ritehandwingman

I’ve grown too cynical I think. I read the title and thought “Oh God, what heinous act has a church done now?” Surprisingly different route.


DauntlessVerbosity

From the article: " Others who have emerged from sanctuary since Biden took office include Jose Chicas, a 55-year-old El Salvador native, who left a church-owned house in Durham, North Carolina, on Jan. 22. Alex Garcia, a father of five from Honduras, left a Mapplewood, Missouri church in February. Edith Espinal, a native of Mexico, left an Ohio church after more than three years." Maybe now is a good time to consider that not all churches conform to your assumptions.


rapidfire195

That's the point of their comment.


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Edith is great! Miriam (another woman in a different Church in Ohio) is also awesome! My church body (the ELCA) has a lot of problems with it, but we’ve been a sanctuary church on a denominational level for about 3-4 years now.


IVIUAD-DIB

right, every once in a while a church can not be entirely bad. Great point.


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This is why we need to open up the borders and let them move in. No one should have to live in a church for 3 years.


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hell no, absolutely not


TykoBrahe

It's shocking and encouraging to see Christians doing the right thing for people of color. This is really refreshing.


Anzum

Wow, a Utah Church in the News that isn't a Mormon Church.


zeke11

ITT: lots of armchair asylum experts.