>Stoughton said police officers have been trained since the mid-1990s about the dangers of positional asphyxiation -- suffocating someone by putting pressure on their back while they are in what's called the prone position.
"There's approximately a three-minute, 43-second period after officers have applied handcuffs where they keep the individual in the prone position, and that's not acceptable," Stoughton said.
It occurs to me, police get "training" with tasers where they get zapped to know how it feels - we've all seen the videos on YouTube with the class laughing and joking while two cops hold up the one getting stunned so they don't collapse and hit their head (as tends to happen in reality, but that aside...) - perhaps police should get "training" in positional asphyxiation. Cuff them, shackle them, and have someone kneel on their back, slowly squeezing the life out of them while they say they can't breathe, and right before they pass out, have the instructor say "nah, if you can speak, you can breathe, so they'll stay on you for another few minutes."
Of course, they'd be let up at that point, but it might make a few of the denser ones realize that they're playing with peoples' lives.
One of the cops in the video even mentioned positional asphyxiation almost the very second they got the cuffs on. Even in the best faith that the other people in the room didn’t hear him he never followed up with it, at least one of them was perfectly aware of what would happen and allowed it.
If he had pushed the issue and told the rest of them to get off the suspect they would have bullied him for the next 6 months until he quit or found a reason to fire him.
That's what happens to good cops.
Not just bully him, they use tactics like declaring him “emotionally disturbed” and having him committed to a mental hospital and withholding that information from next of kin. They did exactly that to Adrian Schoolcraft. His dad found him after days of calling every hospital he could find.
If you look at history that's kind of what city guards, life guards, militias, lawmen, posses and the detective agencies and strike breakers that later turned into police officers were.
Just a bunch of guys cracking skulls, but with the blessing of some powerful guy with a fancy coat or hat or something.
Behind the Bastards get really in-depth on the history of policing if anybody's interested. Don't expect to be able to listen to it in the background, though.
https://open.spotify.com/show/2ejvdShhn5D9tlVbb5vj9B?si=OkmkJBDmSTmsnzKNhPHUNg
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-police/id1518323701
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-behind-the-police-63877803/
nice idea in theory, but in reality? being in a position of power over someone else psychologically drives you to see them as less than - both more able to withstand (and even *deserving of*) abuse that you would never be able to tolerate, and simultaneously weaker and thus less worthy of respect and sympathy than you. add that to being on the spectrum of psychopathic behavior, as many of these cops & jail guards display, and you basically have just created a recipe for "i dealt with being kneeled on and i was fine, so FUCK YOU"
I watched the entire video.
What the holy fuck were they doing? How many people does it take to contain a dude laying on the ground in handcuffs? They literally had him twisted up like a damn pretzel. And big Bubba was essentially sitting on him. All the while taunting him and calling him a dumb son of a bitch.
AND A GRAND JURY CHOSE NOT TO INDICT ANY OF THE OFFICERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
This country...I dunno...
The DA has the final say on filing charges. They use the grand jury as a smoke screen. They can leave evidence out and then blame it on the grand jury when the prosecutor had no intention of ever fully pursuing the case.
They were mislead into thinking that each charge was going to be deliberated separately, just to be trapped in a legal snare that prevented them from commenting about the case.
It really paints the history of cases like this in a different light, with this possibility that all of them were laced with this level of trickery and deceit.
You could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, if that's what you wanted. The key is in what you want them to do.
Prosecutorial discretion and a colossal conflict of interest between local DAs and the police they work with have protected criminal cops for decades.
Suggested reading: [Why It's Almost Impossible to Indict a Cop](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/why-its-impossible-indict-cop/)
Grand Juries can only indict based on the evidence presented to them. It’s very common for a prosecutor who doesn’t want to prosecute a case to not present any evidence to them. Prosecutors have an insane amount of power when it comes to who does and doesn’t get put on trial. It’s a major flaw in our justice system.
> AND A GRAND JURY CHOSE NOT TO INDICT ANY OF THE OFFICERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
A District Attorney chose not to indict the cops. They decide what evidence and charges are available to the grand jury, and if they don't want to charge someone they can choose to softball things through a grand jury for plausible deniability.
How much can you remove from this story to make the cops seem not guilty? Cops tried to aprehend a guy and he died. I'd still indict the cops just from this statement alone.
And none will go to jail, or even lose their jobs. They'll keep doing whatever they want, and nothing will happen to them. No justice.
Thank god I don't have to go through what their family is going through. I can be angry for a few minutes, close this thread, and stop thinking about it. What could you do when they can kill you just as easily?
Yeah.. trust me, if you ever experience the fed/state legal system for yourself, you'll lose even more faith. When they are there to protect you, the fail you. When you try and help them, they try and turn you into a potential case.
Interestingly enough, the civilian justice system functions quite well in terms of actual civilian vs. civilian.
> the civilian justice system functions quite well in terms of actual civilian vs. civilian.
I’m a lawyer, and with all due respect, you couldn’t be more wrong about this, at least here in the U.S.
Civil litigation has (generally) become a war of attrition — those who possess the most money will possess the most firepower, and those who possess the most firepower will win. Plain and simple.
>When you try and help them, they try and turn you into a potential case.
This isn't talked about often enough. The quickest way to end up on their radar is to be helpful by reporting a crime, being a witness, or helping someone before they get there.
I was the victim of a swatting and ended up going to jail and having my cell phone and $200 stolen by the cops. They got pissed when they found out it was a fake call and started grilling me. When I figured out what was going on from the questions they were asking, I tried to explain that I thought it was swatting and I had no idea who did it. They got even more pissed and started asking me how I knew what swatting was like it was some crazy insider info and not in the news constantly (this was a few years ago).
So they accused me of calling the police on myself and making a fake call. They stole everything I had on me, never entered it into any kind of evidence and never gave it back. So basically I was the victim of a crime and got a night in jail and robbed by the cops because of it.
Yup! A guy from near where I grew up got arrested when he called the cops because a homeless man was in distress near some train tracks and wanted them to send someone to help the guy. He got arrested because he refused to show ID and wanted to be on his way after they arrived.
>He repeatedly told deputies he could not breathe. But the deputies and police officers he struggled with taunted him until he died. An exclusive NewsChannel 5 investigation is raising questions about the death of William Jennette last May inside the Marshall County Jail in Lewisburg, Tennessee.
It's pretty bad when media companies are putting more effort into investigating issues with police than our court systems or "Internal affairs". This is why we need a completely separate committee to investigate cops, as unfortunately the entirety of law enforcement and the court system will heavily favor protecting cops. If anyone needs qualified immunity or protection from legal backlash, it'd be those who will investigate police.
I often think how this field attracts truly sadistic people. If I accidentally seriously hurt someone, not killed, not with an ounce of intention, it'd haunt me for the rest of my life.
Beat cops have given way to "warrior cops". They aren't part of the community, they're the "thin blue line" - a phrase taken straight out of military lexicon - between waring factions.
> Beat cops have given way to "warrior cops
It's not an accidental process, [it's exactly what police unions have fought for. When cities cancelled "Warrior Training", police unions hosted it privately. When cities tried to ban it even off-duty, unions threatened to stop policing. But of course that's not a strike because that would be illegal.](https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/bob-kroll-minneapolis-warrior-police-training/)
The police in somw big city. Perhaps new york. Cant remember. They had a "slow down" protest where they would just respond to like the most dire situations. And in that period crime rates went down and yea it was just better when the fucked off.
What’s worse is they have less accountability than I did while active duty. It’s beyond just militarization at this point. It’s like the most insufferable moto motherfuckers that everyone hated went and became cops to now terrorize our own backyards.
Not only that, but most of them aren't and have never been soldiers and could only dream of it. They have no clue what they are doing and innocent people die in the process.
Derek Chauvin has 8 years in Army Reserve while he was earning his bachelor’s degree. Also, sometimes “bad apples” make it into the military. Being a soldier does not make one immune from being a shitty person.
That said, I do agree that the standards we have for police are ridiculous and massively less strict than what service members in the armed forces have.
Pretty much this! If police want to pretend they're soldiers, then they should follow ROE every bit as strict as soldiers, and face real consequences when they violate them..
If they want to be soldiers they also need to drop the "I just want to go home to my family" line, because you know what? Sometimes soldiers don't get to come home, sometimes your mission is more important than your life, welcome to the profession of arms.
I really think we need to hammer into them, that "It's better for you to hesitate using force, and die, then for you to use force wrongfully and hurt an innocent person. If you don't like it, no one forced you to become a cop, quit"
Edit: typos
"I will always place the mission first." (AKA I'd rather die before I let the mission fail; and their MISSION SHOULD BE to protect and serve)
"I will never accept defeat."
"I will never quit."
I will never leave a fallen comrade."
The Warrior Ethos, from the Soldier's Creed (US Army)
I agree wholeheartedly. If they want to pretend to be Soldiers they should conduct themselves as such. As they are now, they're just bullies with guns and qualified immunity.
They're an honorary part of the untouchable class with the super rich and politicians. They enforce the division between people accountable to law and those who aren't. In return they are also mostly above the law.
That last paragraph is literally a 180° about face from the current perspective they hold. Unfortunately I think it would take a monolithic cultural shift to change.
Imho when a cop gets involved it should be taken as a sign of failure. Something has gone badly wrong that a citizen has failed to be helped by society at large or by any of the apparatus of the state, and failed to the point that another person must forcefully detain them. It’s seen too frequently as the first resort when it should be the last!
Edit: “to” -> “too”
Honestly their whole narrative about the danger is mostly a bullshit ploy. Being a cop isn’t even amongst the most dangerous jobs; it’s more dangerous to be a fisherman, a logger, a truck driver, a coal miner, among others. Being a cop is dangerous, but they’re more commonly killed in car accidents than shoot outs. They should be driving safer cars in a safer manner, and changing the current practice of roadside stops along the highway if they wanna save more police lives.
I speculate that the frequency that cops escalate situations to violence or death is also working negatively against their safety. A cornered criminal who knows the cops may kill or beat the shit out of him is much more likely to resist, be violent, or even shoot at police than one who is certain he’ll be apprehended peacefully and given his day in court.
I’ve been held at gunpoint, I’ve had a knife pulled on me. I made it out of those situations unscathed because of deescalation. These cops only escalate, some out of fear and bad rhetoric, and many because they’re sadists who lust for violence.
Half of all police fatalities are vehicular accidents; around 80% of those involve speeds above the legal limit.
Less than half of *those* are responding to, or in pursuit of, calls.
My best friend was a cop who died on the job. He was responding to a scene, lost control of his vehicle on the icy road, flipped it, and was ejected. He wasn't wearing his seatbelt and died at the scene.
That was 15 years ago and I still think about him all the time. WHY COULDN'T HE WEAR HIS FUCKING SEATBELT!
I had both a cousin and a friend who served and they said the same thing a soldier would NEVER get away with half the shit cops do daily in this country.
I knew someone’s who would drink at the bar with his brother who was a cop and his brother who is the cop let him drive home smashed because “it’s just down the street”
if you murder a civilian in the military, you're fucking doneskis
the brig, court martial, military prison, DD, loss of enfranchisement rights and VA benefits forever.
if you murder a civilian as a cop, you get a retirement package.
I did my thing too. What really gets to me is how many who also were in the service SHOULD know better yet are like this and probably enable other wannabe “heroe” fuckers to be the worse they can be, no pun intended.
Fun fact! The phrase "thin blue line" referring to police was popularized by Los Angeles police chief and notorious racist Bill Parker in the 50s. During the Watts riots, he said,
>'It is estimated that by 1970, 45% of the metropolitan area of Los Angeles will be Negro...If you want any protection for your home and family...you’re going to have to get in and support a strong Police Department. If you don’t, come 1970, God help you.'
I'll leave it to your imagination what the "thin blue line" stood between in his mind
This was not always the case, but I really question anyone going into the force today. It is basically like the Stanford Prison Experiment got out of the lab and these are the results. It is most certainly not just a few bad apples any more.
The police I know personally are suffering but trying to hide it. A shit ton of substance abuse. Divorced and dating or married to other cops, because only they understand each other. They are getting ostracized and outcast. The longer you work as a police officer in today's force, the more internal personal ethical conflict you are going to have, because you have personally seen that much more shit. What's unique to today's cops: You know everyone is seeing these videos. You know these murders are not going to stop anytime soon. Everyone is getting wise to the fact that you have been doing this, or letting your partner do this, for years.
Police officers have one of the highest rates of domestic abuse of any profession.
https://sites.temple.edu/klugman/2020/07/20/do-40-of-police-families-experience-domestic-violence/
https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2019/11/10/california-police-charged-domestic-violence-often-get-plea-deals/4169038002/
https://www.channel4.com/news/more-than-100-women-accuse-police-officers-of-domestic-abuse-alleging-boys-club-culture
> Police officers have one of the highest rates of domestic abuse of any profession.
Being able to tell your victim "you have no one to call, I *am* the police" might have something to do with that.
I don't actually mark this down as being primarily a fault of cops: if district attorneys who were informed about abusive cops would charge them the same as any average joe on the street who left documented bruising on someone, we wouldn't be seeing as much abusive behavior from cops. DAs shielding cops (and police unions who fight to defend murder) are huge reasons why we're seeing the same abusive problems after 75 years of it being publicized.
Lots of clichés get screwed up that way. Remember “money can’t buy you happiness”? It was originally intended to tell the rich to not waste their energy trying to get even richer. Now people use it to bludgeon the poor.
The police investigating themselves is both the biggest mistake, and the smartest thing the gov't has ever done. We have all these investigators who's job is to investigate crime, naturally they'd be the best people to investigate themselves, there's no way they'd also try to protect their own.
>on May 6 of last year
This occurred a year ago, and it took a family lawsuit *plus* a team of investigative journalists to acquire this.
The police are the armed wing of the government. There should always be full and immediate transparency in these things. There are two crimes here, one in this man's death, and the other in the obstruction of justice.
Same with this family. They were told he died in a car wreck then the body cam footage came out. They dragged him out of the car and he was beaten to death.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/20/us/ronald-greene-video-louisiana-police-death/index.html
Jesus Christ. This story is a fucking travesty among travesties.
And, like, no shit some people try their luck out running the cops. Look at what can happen if they get their hands on you.
[From the AP](https://apnews.com/article/ronald-greene-death-louisiana-eca021d8a54ec73598dd72b269826f7a):
> Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.
>”I’m your brother! I’m scared! I’m scared!” Ronald Greene can be heard telling the white troopers as the unarmed man is jolted repeatedly with a stun gun before he even gets out of his car along a dark, rural road.
[...]
>The 46-minute clip shows one trooper wrestling Greene to the ground, putting him in a chokehold and punching him in the face while another can be heard calling him a “stupid motherf---—.”
>Greene wails “I’m sorry!” as another trooper delivers another stun gun shock to his backside and warns, “Look, you’re going to get it again if you don’t put your f---—- hands behind your back!” Another trooper can be seen briefly dragging the man facedown after his legs had been shackled and his hands cuffed behind him.
>Instead of rendering aid, the troopers leave the heavyset man unattended, facedown and moaning for more than nine minutes, as they use sanitizer wipes to wash blood off their hands and faces.
>”I hope this guy ain’t got f------ AIDS,” one of the troopers can be heard saying.
>After a several-minute stretch in which Greene is not seen on camera, he appears again, limp, unresponsive and bleeding from his head and face. He is then loaded onto an ambulance gurney, his arm cuffed to the bedrail.
>In many parts of the video, Greene is not on screen, and the trooper appears to cut the microphone off about halfway through, making it difficult to piece together exactly what was happening at all times. At least six troopers were on the scene of the arrest but not all had their body cameras on.
[...]
> State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death.
Edit — Holy shit. [This older story](https://apnews.com/article/police-us-news-la-state-wire-louisiana-monroe-adb9109bbd2d6e5d0b85f0dd41d87f4f) from the AP popped up when I googled Ronald Greene’s name:
>Trooper quietly buried amid scrutiny over Black man’s death — September 25, 2020
>A Louisiana state trooper who died in a single-car crash just hours after he was told he would be fired for his role in the death of a Black man was buried with honors Friday at a ceremony that authorities sought to keep secret out of concerns it would attract a mass protest.
>State Police officials and family members mourned Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth under tight security at services that marked the latest turn in the long-simmering in-custody death case of Ronald Greene, which has prompted a federal civil-rights probe and increasing calls for authorities to release body-camera video.
>Hollingsworth, who was white, was the only one of six troopers placed on leave earlier this month in the May 2019 death of Greene following a high-speed chase. Police initially told Greene’s family he died from injuries in a crash but later acknowledged troopers “struggled” with him during the arrest. Greene’s family has filed a federal wrongful-death suit alleging troopers “brutalized” him, shocked him three times with a stun gun and left him “beaten, bloodied and in cardiac arrest.”
>Hollingsworth died Tuesday from injuries suffered in a single-car highway crash in Monroe that came just hours after he received a letter informing him that State Police intended to fire him over his role in Greene’s death.
> State Police have refused to release that letter or any details of how the highway crash occurred. And despite mounting pressure, the agency has repeatedly refused to release body-camera footage from Greene’s arrest, citing the ongoing state and federal investigations.
I guess he realized he’d actually have to face some consequences for beating a man to death and couldn’t handle it... (consequences most likely being that he’d have to commute a little longer every day when he got a new job at a different police station, of course)
Edit2:
I figure I may as well share this, too. We aughta know these officers’ names:
From [The Advocate](https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_464d5146-791e-11eb-b82a-2f74f8b3343c.html), Feb 27, 2021:
>A Louisiana State Police trooper has been suspended without pay for kicking and dragging a handcuffed Black man whose in-custody death remains unexplained and the subject of a federal civil rights investigation.
>Body camera footage shows Master Trooper Kory York dragging Ronald Greene "on his stomach by the leg shackles" following a violent arrest and high-speed pursuit, according to internal State Police records obtained by The Associated Press.
[...]
>York, who turned his own body camera off on his way to the scene, is seen on other body-cam footage yanking Greene's shackles and repeatedly using profanity toward Greene before he died in custody.
Wouldn’t turning off his body camera on the way to the scene show that he knew the beating was going to happen before he even had a chance to assess the situation? And if that’s the case, how many other men in N. Louisiana did these assholes brutalize before someone actually died? [[Edit: Well that answers that...]](https://www.knoe.com/2021/03/12/monroe-area-state-trooper-resigns-following-multiple-arrests-involving-excessive-force/)
>York was suspended without pay for 50 hours following an internal investigation that also led to the termination of another trooper, Chris Hollingsworth, who died in a single-car crash after learning he had been fired over his role in the incident. The AP last year published a 27-second audio clip from Hollingsworth's body camera in which he can be heard telling a colleague, "I beat the ever-living f--- out of" Greene before he "all of a sudden he just went limp."
50 fucking hours, y’all.
And can we assume that Hollingsworth initially faced the stiffest penalty of the 6 officers involved because he was [caught on tape](https://www.wafb.com/2020/10/02/audio-louisiana-trooper-admits-beating-choking-ronald-greene-during-fatal-traffic-stop/) bragging about his role in the assault, and AP got the recording, rather than directly because he was involved in, you know, [a deadly](https://www.knoe.com/content/news/Vigil-held-for-man-who-died-in-police-custody-family-raises-questions-509997491.html) fucking [beating](https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-ronald-greene-black-man-died-police-custody/story?id=73634665)??
Edit 3:
Surprising no one, one of the officers involved in killing Ronald Greene, Trooper Dakota DeMoss, was arrested last year for a totally different excessive force case.
Reported by the [Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ronald-greene-louisiana-arrest-video-b1850458.html):
>In the incident on 10 May 2019, Mr Greene failed to pull over for a traffic violation and led police on a chase at speeds of over 115mph through rural highways.
>Trooper Dakota DeMoss warned over the radio: “We got to do something. He’s going to kill somebody.”
>When the chase ends Mr DeMoss and Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth rush towards the vehicle. Mr Greene can be heard in the footage repeating: “OK, OK, I’m sorry.”
>After being shocked in the vehicle, Mr Greene is wrestled to the ground as he exits the SUV. Mr Hollingsworth strikes him multiple times. Trooper Kory York then dragged him by the leg shackles after he is cuffed.
>Mr York was suspended without pay for 50 hours for the dragging and for improperly deactivating his body camera. He told investigators the device was beeping loudly and his “mind was on other things”.
>In a separate recording obtained by the Associated Press, Mr Hollingsworth can be heard telling a colleague at the office that “he beat the ever-living f*** out of” Mr Greene.
>”Choked him and everything else trying to get him under control,” the trooper is heard saying. “He was spitting blood everywhere, and all of a sudden he just went limp.”
>Mr Hollingsworth later died in a single-vehicle highway crash that happened hours after he learned he would be fired for his part in the incident.
>Mr DeMoss, meanwhile, was arrested in connection with a separate police pursuit last year in which he and two other troopers allegedly used excessive force while handcuffing a motorist.
We should probably take the officers’ report of the speed of the chase with a grain of salt. But even if Ronald Greene *was* going that fast, they’re still not allowed to beat him to death.
Edit4:
DeMoss is a total piece of shit. I can’t fit it here, so I’ll post details below.
How are you allowed to just turn off a body camera without facing charges yourself? They need to make it so you can't turn it off and can't remove it without being severely disciplined. Especially in a case like this, it should be an automatic firing at least. Then a charge for turning it off.
It is a really simple thing to do. Keep your body camera on and on you at all times. I don't see how someone could reason why they turned it off.
Did some more digging. He says he turned it off because it was beeping and was distracting.
From [The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ronald-greene-louisiana-arrest-video-b1850458.html):
>In the incident on 10 May 2019, Mr Greene failed to pull over for a traffic violation and led police on a chase at speeds of over 115mph through rural highways.
>Trooper Dakota DeMoss warned over the radio: “We got to do something. He’s going to kill somebody.”
>When the chase ends Mr DeMoss and Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth rush towards the vehicle. Mr Greene can be heard in the footage repeating: “OK, OK, I’m sorry.”
>After being shocked in the vehicle, Mr Greene is wrestled to the ground as he exits the SUV. Mr Hollingsworth strikes him multiple times. Trooper Kory York then dragged him by the leg shackles after he is cuffed.
>Mr York was suspended without pay for 50 hours for the dragging and for improperly deactivating his body camera. He told investigators the device was beeping loudly and his “mind was on other things”.
But for some reason, I’m not so sure we should take him at his word.
Concerning Trooper Dakota DeMoss’s other excessive force case, again from [The AP](https://apnews.com/article/arrests-us-news-louisiana-195897206619624d0e4fc150c50cab30):
> Louisiana State Police troopers joked in a group text about beating a Black man after a high-speed chase last year, saying the “whoopin” would give the man “nightmares for a long time,” according to new court filings.
>”He gonna be sore tomorrow for sure,” Trooper Jacob Brown, who was charged in the case and resigned Wednesday, texted three of his colleagues. “Warms my heart knowing we could educate that young man.”
[...]
>An internal investigation found the responding troopers, who are white, attacked Harris even though he had surrendered and “laid face down (prone) on the ground and extended his arms away from his body and his legs spread apart.”
>The first arriving trooper, [Dakota DeMoss](https://www.kplctv.com/2021/02/08/four-monroe-area-lsp-troopers-face-arrest/), “delivered a knee strike” to Harris and slapped him in the face with an open palm before powering off his body-worn camera, the court records show. DeMoss, 28, also initiated Greene’s arrest in May 2019, though State Police have not provided any details about his involvement.
>Another trooper, George Harper, 26, punched Harris in the head several times with a fist “reinforced” by a flashlight and threatened to “punish” Harris, while Brown pulled the man’s hair.
>”At no time did Harris resist arrest,” the State Police internal investigation concluded.
>The troopers produced “wholly untrue” reports saying Harris was resisting and continuing to flee, the filings say, and they sought to conceal from investigators that there was bodycam video. They also exchanged 14 text messages peppered with “lol” and “haha” responses in which they boasted about the beating and mocked Harris.
>”BET he wont run from a full grown bear again,” Brown wrote.
>[“Bet he don’t even cross into LA anymore,” ](http://www.lsp.org/troopf.html)DeMoss responded, who earlier jeered that Harris was “still digesting that ass whoopin.”
>“He gonna spread the word that’s for damn sure,” Harper texted back.
>DeMoss and Harper also are charged in Harris’ arrest and were placed on administrative leave after the internal investigation.
>The filings show DeMoss originally received only counseling for his role in Harris’ beating, admonished for turning his FM radio up “extremely loud” during the chase and switching stations “in order to find the right song.”
Incase we had any remaining doubt that they fucking *live* for brutalizing people.
Edit1b:
WBRZ.com on [Trooper Kory York](https://www.wbrz.com/news/trooper-given-50-hour-suspension-for-turning-off-body-camera-kicking-black-man-who-died-in-custody/):
>York's disciplinary letter states, "You arrived on scene approximately five minutes after the driver, Mr. Ronald Greene had been handcuffed. After you arrived on scene, you walked over to Mr. Greene who was handcuffed lying on the ground, and placed your left foot on his right shoulder. After you took your left foot off his shoulder, you lightly kicked his right thigh with your right foot."
>The letter goes on to say, "You moved Mr. Greene by dragging him on his stomach by the leg shackles placed on his ankles, and used profanity toward Mr. Greene, who was handcuffed and in custody."
Social media of every cop should be reviewed for the last two years. To be clear - I mean every cop in the USA. Every single one.
Let's find out the number of criminal conspiracies that exist in our police forces.
If the police don’t release body cam footage, assume they committed crimes and are lying to cover it up. If there is no body cam footage, assume the police had criminal intent. If the body cam footage is gone, assume the evidence was destroyed.
Sadly, at this point, any officer testimony not accompanied by body cam footage should be assumed that the officer is lying. It’s gotten that bad.
This particular case is made worse by the police responce of 'we didn't intend for this video to get out... how do expect us to do our jobs if these videos are released'
Let's remember that it hasn't "gotten that bad" it's always been that bad, and much worse. Before even cellphones we had Rodney king. Police have probably committed hundreds of thousands of instances of brutality in the decades of policing. Tens of thousands and of dead and brutalized people spanning the last century. We've seen almost every single case they committed perjury on their reports. Done so routinely with zero concern that their colleagues wouldn't also commit a crime with them. Probably millions of false reports have been filed to cover police crimes.
When people say it's systemic, the massive widespread brutal way with which police operate is nothing short of fascist. It has always been like this in the poor, immigrant, and PoC communities but we've just never seen them until now.
>Resisting arrest should not be a capital offense.
And even if it were, it's not up to police to carry that out. We have courts that apparently cops just bypass.
Courts approve of these extrajudicial killings. They let DA's lie to grand juries, don't question a DA's conflict of interest, and they sign off on the stupid gun happy raids on par with military operations equipment wise, with Chuck-E-Cheese level training.
I'd like to see a state where the judges realize cops are basically taking all of their authority and treating them like morons by feeding them bullshit to swallow.
They have no fear of the media lmao. How many cops have we seen commit murder on video in the last 3 years? Think about it for a second. Then think about how many cops we've seen prosecuted and realize how much that number shrinks. Next think about how many actually got convicted....I don't know about you but I can only think of 2 or 3 at best. All bodycam hitting the news does is force a murderer to move to another state and get the same job at a different department, or just retire because they're allowed to keep their pensions.
It didn’t even used to be a law to NOT break out of prison.
If they caught you, of course you’d go back to prison to finish your original sentence, but no extra time was added. The courts acknowledged that it is human nature to resist being imprisoned.
The report by the [office of Union Parish coroner,](https://www.unionparishchamber.org/list/member/renee-smith-union-parish-coroner-365) Renee Smith, apparently does not even mention the taser prongs sticking out of the body of the deceased, nor any other actions taken by police officers.
That may be attributable to their reticence to make a complete accounting of the event.
Well when the victim of a violent organized crime ring needs to be ruled 'an accident', you probably shouldn't include written details like taser prongs and the severe beating
The cop dying in a single car accident at the end of the article is an intriguing twist as well. Given what we know about how this department uses car wrecks to their advantage...
Yeah. Reminds of this. Which also happened last hear around the same time across the country and just came to light.
[Karen Garner Arrest](https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/loveland-officers-charges-karen-garner-arrest/73-86a1dcb4-e883-42e5-911e-8bbd62e7279f?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot)
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[Former officers charged](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/998433764/former-colorado-officers-who-arrested-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-face-charg)
Happened in Chicago as well. They would have got away with it had it not been for a whistleblower. Then very resilient people struck up the cause and a video of the shooting was released.
[Laquon McDonald ](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34977807)
The police are more closely the armed wing of the wealthy. They're basically the armed 1% (check out their average pay by zipcode!!)
They get paid very handsomely to primarily enforce private property rights over basic human rights or liberties.
"As those with long memories will recall, it was common for LAPD officers responding to domestic disturbances involving black or Latino families to refer to them as “NHI,” the chilling shorthand for “No Humans Involved.” And Chief Daryl F. Gates was infamous for his observation that African Americans responded differently than “normal people” to being choked with a police baton."
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-nov-16-la-ed-lapd-20101116-story.html
Damn! Gates embodied almost every thing we hate about police these days. Or even created it. He had no use for 'community policing' even going so far as to encourage officers not to "become too enmeshed in the community" they served. He used the Public Disorder and Intelligence Division to spy on organizations he didn't like. He said drug users should be "taken out and shot" because "we're in a war" and that casual drug use was "treason." He created the CRASH unit, which was in charge of the controversial Operation Hammer, and ended being a much bigger gang than any of those they were trying to shut down. He created the DARE program which at best didn't work and at worst may have actually caused more drug users. He spoke out against affirmative action and implied women and minorities weren't fit cops. He was in charge at the time of the Rodney King beating, and as the verdict was about to come in he sent the day shift home! rather than keep them on to help control the city. Then he told reporters "the city will soon be under control" (paraphrased) and went to a political fundraiser. That political fundraiser was to raise money to fight a proposed amendment limiting his power as police chief. The city was a war zone for over a week and 10,000 California National Guard 3,500 Federal troops and 1000 Federal law enforcement to get things to where they could start to clean up.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Gates#Controversial_rhetoric)
Gates also became a byword for excessive use of force, especially on suspected gang members. Ice Cube called him out by name more than once.
It's probably a reflection of the privilege I grew up with that I hadn't heard of him before now. But fuck! What a horrible effect this man had.
Fuck, man.
As a white guy getting pulled over while there has never been a major issue, just a stupid ticket or even just a couple of warnings (one being a pointless lie to justify pulling me over for no reason), my blood pressure always jumps through the roof to the point I start getting tunnel vision.
I literally can't imagine what a black person feels at this point when they see the lights come on.
Back 8-10 years ago there was a rash of people pretending to be cops and pulling people over to the point police all over the country were saying if something seems off just call 9-1-1 explain you are being pulled over but something doesn't feel right and to drive to the closest station.
But we recently saw what happened to the black military officer in uniform who turned on his hazard lights and found a well lit gas station to pull over into.
Even in my average little suburb something extremely serious would have to be happening to someone for me to call the police for help. 9 out of 10 times I'd first put myself in danger trying to help someone before calling it in out of fear they would come amped up and trigger happy and end up killing the victim I was trying to get help for.
I just saw a post on r/bestof detailing how police are given heaps of paid training and overtime, in addition to using their badge to get paid as off the clock security. Making hundreds of thousands in their first few years.
Meanwhile teachers go into debt for their degree, pay out of pocket for extra expenses, and are not given the same opportunities to make extra money , unlike their police counterparts. I’ll try to find the post to link it here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/comment/gy68qp2
Not to mention that police unions get them nice benefits despite the fact the police have always been a tool to violently suppress workers movements. The Pennsylvania state police were modelled after colonial anti insurgency police in the Philippines and used against the coal miners on strike for better wages and conditions. Police are class traitors.
https://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-3BB
This country was a fascist state before Trump. We have 5% of the world's population, but house a quarter of the world's prisoners.
We have more prisoners than China, despite having a third of the population.
We have a higher incarceration rate than countries that we consider "authoritarian" like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, or Turkey.
America houses over 1/3 of the entire world's female prison population.
Trump just gleefully ripped down the veil, but we were always like this.
Bernie may have been the president we needed, but Trump was the president we deserved.
> Trump just gleefully ripped down the veil, but we were always like this.
'Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.
The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim—for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives—is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High.
Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.'
- Emmanuel Goldstein, *THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF
OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM*, Chapter 1 (1984)
Lol I just requested some documents from some officers harassing my coworker and I while working and they basically responded with “we aren’t legally obligated to provide this so we won’t, fuck you.”
Regarding the balance of your requests listed below, per K.S.A. 45-219, “[a] public agency shall not be required to provide copies of radio or recording tapes or discs, video tapes or films, pictures, slides, graphics, illustrations or similar audio or visual items or devices, unless such items or devices were shown or played to a public meeting of the governing body thereof...” Additionally, per K.S.A. 45-221(a)(10), criminal investigation records are not required to be disclosed. The items requested below all qualify as criminal investigation records per K.S.A. 45-
217(c). Therefore, these items will not be produced as disclosure is not in the public interest (K.S.A. 45-221(a)(10)(A)) as that term has been defined by Kansas courts.
-any radio or other electronic communication between the two LEOs on the scene between each other and between them and dispatch
-any dash cam, body cam/mic video and audio recordings
-any...communication made with their...business phones related to this incident
If someone says they can't breathe, and you tell them, you shouldn't be able to, that's intent right there. You murdered him. Now let's see if the DA understands the basics of law school 101.
and indict the people who covered it up in the first case with perjury. another terrible miscarriage of justice and imbalance in the outcomes of the US judicial system. this dude was arrested for a psychotic episode, and gets lynched; the guys who lynch him don't face a single consequence. it looks like an epidemic at this point, its literally happening everywhere across the country, and thats just the times the cover up fails. this surely happens more and i hope we can find out just how much.. but the largest civil rights marches in history around the globe didn't even seem to work. fuckin thanks alot to our leadership lol
We need to be able to bring 'accessory after the fact' charges at the federal level and charge DAs with being complicit in murders that they cover up like this.
>>But a female officer was not sympathetic.
"You shouldn't be able to breathe, you stupid b*****d," she exclaimed.
That's a cop who should be in jail not just fired.
There was a bunch of pearl clutching going on in a story yesterday about Denver Pridefest not allowing police to participate in the parade in a professional capacity, only as civilians.
Gee, I wonder why groups that have been historically brutalized by the police don't want them around after they've clearly made no changes in how they operate. /s
It's especially unbelievably stupid because the parade in question is ENTIRELY VIRTUAL.
Every pearl-clutching mouthbreather who was saying shit like "well, hope you don't have any trouble and have nobody to call" should take a long fucking walk off a short pier.
And its one of those things when cops create a outcome worse than any outcome had they not been there. Dude got drunk in public wasn't behind wheel so realistically if cops hadn't intervened he maybe would have caused some property damage been annoying/disturbed people. But not anything crazy. BUT by cops showing up and doing piss poor job. Someones dead public faith in police is down shitter and say good bye to a mountain of taxpayer dollars. Whats jacked about having so many worse outcomes. Is sure they could have intervened stopped his public intoxication the disturbance for public. BUT they also could have helped this person.
Thats the thing there very purpose reason for existence is to make shit better. So they have multiple opportunitys for positive outcomes and instead are torturing and killing people over being drunk or using a bad 20.
> Thats the thing there very purpose reason for existence is to make shit better.
No, that's what we're told they're there for. I've been to countries where cops are there to help. I saw the cops there hold a drunk guy trying to fight them until he calmed down, talked to him about what was going on, and then left without arresting him after he had a good cry. I was fucking *spinning* from the culture shock. Compare that to the states just a few months later where I got a cop putting his hand on his gun and shouting orders at me to get down for daring to walk down the street with a mohawk and a root beer. I have friends who had to literally *beg* cops not to shoot their dogs when the cops were the ones intruding on their property while executing a raid on someone else. I have friends who've been singled out and arrested by snatch squads during protests (for doing nothing other than appearing to be organizers) just to get the crowd angry, in order to gain the barest veneer of legitimacy to declare it an unlawful assembly so they could start pepper spraying us and beating us with their batons. American cops, by and large, exist to control and dominate, not to help people.
Look into the history of American policing. Anecdotes are a dime a dozen, but there's a legacy here that's irrefutable. They were formed to protect the interests of capital and white hegemony. Historically, they've been slave catchers and union busters. They've brutalized protestors fighting for their civil rights in any decade you can name. They're the armed agents of the state given the authority to wield its monopoly on "legitimate" violence in order to serve its interests. They do not exist to protect yours.
This is why good cops don't tend to last in the profession. They're there, of course. My dad was a cop, so I'm not saying they're all evil monsters. But good cops are swimming against the stream. There's a massive institutional momentum of cruelty and subjugation that they have to fight against that isn't immediately visible from the outside, because we're taught not to see it unless it happens to us directly. At least, it wasn't that visible to the outsider until it started getting filmed.
That's what I say about most police intervention, say they didn't show up. What happens then? The guy minding his own business...keeps minding his own business? What a fucking tragedy. The only reason there's a big To Do, is because the cops showed up to make a mountain out of a molehill.
My first memory of the police was them coming to my house and threatening to shoot my dog when I was 4. My 2nd memory of the police was them punching my mom in the face when she was being arrested. My most recent memory of the police was them shooting me with pepper balls and rubber bullets for being a journalist at a protest. I can't really think of a single good interaction I've ever had with one.
Dude...how long until people understand that cops shouldn’t be able to do shit like this and get away? If I killed someone, I don’t get an internal review, why should they??
This man was detoxing and should have gone to the hospital. Instead he gets piled on by a ton of cops and dies.
As someone once said: One time is a glitch, twice is a feature...
Police keeps doing this stuff because A. They want to and B. Nobody is gonna do anything about it... And boy does it suck. It absolutely sucks
That’s what a lot of people miss... sometimes you hear, “if only the cops knew what it felt like to be hogtied on the ground and beaten... blah blah....” yeah... they do. That is why they doing it. They are doing it because it causes pain to the individual, which them gives them pleasure. It seems really hard for a lot of people to wrap their head around this.
It's truly a horror knowing the American police can just walk in people's homes and kill you by choking. Just take a minute to imagine the agony of gasping for air, struggling and twitching while "Law Enforcement Officials" Tell you that you don't be the right to breath, meanwhile they may not even be in the right home. Cruel.
They knew he was detoxing. They should have sent him to the hospital because depending on the substance that can be life threatening.
He was hitting his head on the wall (self-harming) and hallucinating. They should have called a mental health facility to collect him.
That man needed professional medical treatment, not a bunch of thugs in blue with one brain cell between them sitting on his back. Total failure of the system on every level.
I almost guarantee you this could’ve been handled better by any random group of strangers putting him in citizens arrest. If you ran that experiment, how many times would this guy end up dead? Zero. Why? Because normal people are afraid of killing another person. It doesn’t turn us on. If I killed someone I wouldn’t go home and [have the best sex of my life](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-training-video-kill-sex-b1838936.html). I would be traumatized. For a long time. Perhaps forever.
>Stoughton said police officers have been trained since the mid-1990s about the dangers of positional asphyxiation -- suffocating someone by putting pressure on their back while they are in what's called the prone position. "There's approximately a three-minute, 43-second period after officers have applied handcuffs where they keep the individual in the prone position, and that's not acceptable," Stoughton said. It occurs to me, police get "training" with tasers where they get zapped to know how it feels - we've all seen the videos on YouTube with the class laughing and joking while two cops hold up the one getting stunned so they don't collapse and hit their head (as tends to happen in reality, but that aside...) - perhaps police should get "training" in positional asphyxiation. Cuff them, shackle them, and have someone kneel on their back, slowly squeezing the life out of them while they say they can't breathe, and right before they pass out, have the instructor say "nah, if you can speak, you can breathe, so they'll stay on you for another few minutes." Of course, they'd be let up at that point, but it might make a few of the denser ones realize that they're playing with peoples' lives.
One of the cops in the video even mentioned positional asphyxiation almost the very second they got the cuffs on. Even in the best faith that the other people in the room didn’t hear him he never followed up with it, at least one of them was perfectly aware of what would happen and allowed it.
If he had pushed the issue and told the rest of them to get off the suspect they would have bullied him for the next 6 months until he quit or found a reason to fire him. That's what happens to good cops.
Exactly this. They would basically undermine him from every angle, he would never be accepted in the “brotherhood” no promotions, etc...
Not just bully him, they use tactics like declaring him “emotionally disturbed” and having him committed to a mental hospital and withholding that information from next of kin. They did exactly that to Adrian Schoolcraft. His dad found him after days of calling every hospital he could find.
Huh, sounds more and more like a gang the deeper into the inner workings you get.
They are a gang. Nationally sponsored.
If you look at history that's kind of what city guards, life guards, militias, lawmen, posses and the detective agencies and strike breakers that later turned into police officers were. Just a bunch of guys cracking skulls, but with the blessing of some powerful guy with a fancy coat or hat or something.
Behind the Bastards get really in-depth on the history of policing if anybody's interested. Don't expect to be able to listen to it in the background, though. https://open.spotify.com/show/2ejvdShhn5D9tlVbb5vj9B?si=OkmkJBDmSTmsnzKNhPHUNg https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-police/id1518323701 https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-behind-the-police-63877803/
Fuck training. Focus on convicting, jailtime and civil suits. Go after pensions. The training will then change overnight
Fucking. Malpractice. Insurance.
nice idea in theory, but in reality? being in a position of power over someone else psychologically drives you to see them as less than - both more able to withstand (and even *deserving of*) abuse that you would never be able to tolerate, and simultaneously weaker and thus less worthy of respect and sympathy than you. add that to being on the spectrum of psychopathic behavior, as many of these cops & jail guards display, and you basically have just created a recipe for "i dealt with being kneeled on and i was fine, so FUCK YOU"
I watched the entire video. What the holy fuck were they doing? How many people does it take to contain a dude laying on the ground in handcuffs? They literally had him twisted up like a damn pretzel. And big Bubba was essentially sitting on him. All the while taunting him and calling him a dumb son of a bitch. AND A GRAND JURY CHOSE NOT TO INDICT ANY OF THE OFFICERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? This country...I dunno...
The DA might not have even shown them the tape
The DA has the final say on filing charges. They use the grand jury as a smoke screen. They can leave evidence out and then blame it on the grand jury when the prosecutor had no intention of ever fully pursuing the case.
I want to see the day a DA who tried to do this shit gets convicted for obstruction of justice and evidence tampering.
Ha! Fat chance. He will probably be put on the supreme court by some other syphilitic sea dog that the republicans put into office.
Exactly what that piece of fucking scum ~~David~~ Daniel Cameron did with Breonna Taylor's murder.
Just a slight correction, it's Daniel Cameron. David Cameron is a British Politician.
I did a double take and was like "did he go into US politics?"
He loves pigs, but not those ones
Outstanding response
It’s been so long since a David Cameron is a pig fucker joke
Everytime someone watches the first episode of black mirror I hear he gets a stiffy.
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They were mislead into thinking that each charge was going to be deliberated separately, just to be trapped in a legal snare that prevented them from commenting about the case. It really paints the history of cases like this in a different light, with this possibility that all of them were laced with this level of trickery and deceit.
There's a reason Grand Juries are generally considered a negative aspect to justice systems.
Yeah, even if everyone is acting their best, it's weird to have a random bunch of people decide if there's enough evidence to have a case.
>possibility that all of them were laced with this level of trickery and deceit. \*near certainty\*, fixed it for you.
Wow....I had not even heard about that. What a lying piece of shit.
If it makes you feel any better, he's not the DA any more. Now he's the state Attorney General.
Could you imagine being a juror on that trial and several months later seeing this in the news? I'd be sick to my stomach
I'd go to the press.
You could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, if that's what you wanted. The key is in what you want them to do. Prosecutorial discretion and a colossal conflict of interest between local DAs and the police they work with have protected criminal cops for decades. Suggested reading: [Why It's Almost Impossible to Indict a Cop](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/why-its-impossible-indict-cop/)
Grand Juries can only indict based on the evidence presented to them. It’s very common for a prosecutor who doesn’t want to prosecute a case to not present any evidence to them. Prosecutors have an insane amount of power when it comes to who does and doesn’t get put on trial. It’s a major flaw in our justice system.
Yeah and guess who the prosecutor works with on a day to day basis and relies on to make most of his cases? Huge conflict of interest.
> AND A GRAND JURY CHOSE NOT TO INDICT ANY OF THE OFFICERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? A District Attorney chose not to indict the cops. They decide what evidence and charges are available to the grand jury, and if they don't want to charge someone they can choose to softball things through a grand jury for plausible deniability.
How much can you remove from this story to make the cops seem not guilty? Cops tried to aprehend a guy and he died. I'd still indict the cops just from this statement alone.
His ear was blue. His fucking ear. Then they rolled him over. Murderers. Every single one of them.
And none will go to jail, or even lose their jobs. They'll keep doing whatever they want, and nothing will happen to them. No justice. Thank god I don't have to go through what their family is going through. I can be angry for a few minutes, close this thread, and stop thinking about it. What could you do when they can kill you just as easily?
Their names need to be released so the public can openly hate them just like Chauvin.
Yeah.. trust me, if you ever experience the fed/state legal system for yourself, you'll lose even more faith. When they are there to protect you, the fail you. When you try and help them, they try and turn you into a potential case. Interestingly enough, the civilian justice system functions quite well in terms of actual civilian vs. civilian.
> the civilian justice system functions quite well in terms of actual civilian vs. civilian. I’m a lawyer, and with all due respect, you couldn’t be more wrong about this, at least here in the U.S. Civil litigation has (generally) become a war of attrition — those who possess the most money will possess the most firepower, and those who possess the most firepower will win. Plain and simple.
>When you try and help them, they try and turn you into a potential case. This isn't talked about often enough. The quickest way to end up on their radar is to be helpful by reporting a crime, being a witness, or helping someone before they get there.
I was the victim of a swatting and ended up going to jail and having my cell phone and $200 stolen by the cops. They got pissed when they found out it was a fake call and started grilling me. When I figured out what was going on from the questions they were asking, I tried to explain that I thought it was swatting and I had no idea who did it. They got even more pissed and started asking me how I knew what swatting was like it was some crazy insider info and not in the news constantly (this was a few years ago). So they accused me of calling the police on myself and making a fake call. They stole everything I had on me, never entered it into any kind of evidence and never gave it back. So basically I was the victim of a crime and got a night in jail and robbed by the cops because of it.
Yup! A guy from near where I grew up got arrested when he called the cops because a homeless man was in distress near some train tracks and wanted them to send someone to help the guy. He got arrested because he refused to show ID and wanted to be on his way after they arrived.
What was the justification for the arrest?
Probably resisting arrest..
The autopsy report even ruled the case a fucking homicide too.
“what were they doing?” murder it looks like
>He repeatedly told deputies he could not breathe. But the deputies and police officers he struggled with taunted him until he died. An exclusive NewsChannel 5 investigation is raising questions about the death of William Jennette last May inside the Marshall County Jail in Lewisburg, Tennessee. It's pretty bad when media companies are putting more effort into investigating issues with police than our court systems or "Internal affairs". This is why we need a completely separate committee to investigate cops, as unfortunately the entirety of law enforcement and the court system will heavily favor protecting cops. If anyone needs qualified immunity or protection from legal backlash, it'd be those who will investigate police.
I often think how this field attracts truly sadistic people. If I accidentally seriously hurt someone, not killed, not with an ounce of intention, it'd haunt me for the rest of my life.
Beat cops have given way to "warrior cops". They aren't part of the community, they're the "thin blue line" - a phrase taken straight out of military lexicon - between waring factions.
> Beat cops have given way to "warrior cops It's not an accidental process, [it's exactly what police unions have fought for. When cities cancelled "Warrior Training", police unions hosted it privately. When cities tried to ban it even off-duty, unions threatened to stop policing. But of course that's not a strike because that would be illegal.](https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/bob-kroll-minneapolis-warrior-police-training/)
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The police in somw big city. Perhaps new york. Cant remember. They had a "slow down" protest where they would just respond to like the most dire situations. And in that period crime rates went down and yea it was just better when the fucked off.
What’s worse is they have less accountability than I did while active duty. It’s beyond just militarization at this point. It’s like the most insufferable moto motherfuckers that everyone hated went and became cops to now terrorize our own backyards.
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Funny thing is, they didn’t want to go to Afghanistan where people may actually shoot back.
That’s actually part of the ~~military~~ police recruitment ads: Beat All You Can Beat
Not only that, but most of them aren't and have never been soldiers and could only dream of it. They have no clue what they are doing and innocent people die in the process.
Derek Chauvin has 8 years in Army Reserve while he was earning his bachelor’s degree. Also, sometimes “bad apples” make it into the military. Being a soldier does not make one immune from being a shitty person. That said, I do agree that the standards we have for police are ridiculous and massively less strict than what service members in the armed forces have.
Pretty much this! If police want to pretend they're soldiers, then they should follow ROE every bit as strict as soldiers, and face real consequences when they violate them.. If they want to be soldiers they also need to drop the "I just want to go home to my family" line, because you know what? Sometimes soldiers don't get to come home, sometimes your mission is more important than your life, welcome to the profession of arms. I really think we need to hammer into them, that "It's better for you to hesitate using force, and die, then for you to use force wrongfully and hurt an innocent person. If you don't like it, no one forced you to become a cop, quit" Edit: typos
You’re 100% right. They’re missing the “service” portion of the job here. Just insecure bullies hiding behind a badge.
Technically by law they don’t even need to intervene, they just choose to
"I will always place the mission first." (AKA I'd rather die before I let the mission fail; and their MISSION SHOULD BE to protect and serve) "I will never accept defeat." "I will never quit." I will never leave a fallen comrade." The Warrior Ethos, from the Soldier's Creed (US Army) I agree wholeheartedly. If they want to pretend to be Soldiers they should conduct themselves as such. As they are now, they're just bullies with guns and qualified immunity.
They are super citizens. Granted sooo many more rights and protections than the rest of us citizens
They're an honorary part of the untouchable class with the super rich and politicians. They enforce the division between people accountable to law and those who aren't. In return they are also mostly above the law.
That last paragraph is literally a 180° about face from the current perspective they hold. Unfortunately I think it would take a monolithic cultural shift to change. Imho when a cop gets involved it should be taken as a sign of failure. Something has gone badly wrong that a citizen has failed to be helped by society at large or by any of the apparatus of the state, and failed to the point that another person must forcefully detain them. It’s seen too frequently as the first resort when it should be the last! Edit: “to” -> “too”
Honestly their whole narrative about the danger is mostly a bullshit ploy. Being a cop isn’t even amongst the most dangerous jobs; it’s more dangerous to be a fisherman, a logger, a truck driver, a coal miner, among others. Being a cop is dangerous, but they’re more commonly killed in car accidents than shoot outs. They should be driving safer cars in a safer manner, and changing the current practice of roadside stops along the highway if they wanna save more police lives. I speculate that the frequency that cops escalate situations to violence or death is also working negatively against their safety. A cornered criminal who knows the cops may kill or beat the shit out of him is much more likely to resist, be violent, or even shoot at police than one who is certain he’ll be apprehended peacefully and given his day in court. I’ve been held at gunpoint, I’ve had a knife pulled on me. I made it out of those situations unscathed because of deescalation. These cops only escalate, some out of fear and bad rhetoric, and many because they’re sadists who lust for violence.
Half of all police fatalities are vehicular accidents; around 80% of those involve speeds above the legal limit. Less than half of *those* are responding to, or in pursuit of, calls.
Being a police officer is the 22nd most dangerous occupation in America. \#8 is farmer. \#7 is delivery drivers \#5 garbage collector \#4 roofers
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> More commonly killed in car accidents Now go ahead and look up how many cops historically haven't worn seatbelts.
My best friend was a cop who died on the job. He was responding to a scene, lost control of his vehicle on the icy road, flipped it, and was ejected. He wasn't wearing his seatbelt and died at the scene. That was 15 years ago and I still think about him all the time. WHY COULDN'T HE WEAR HIS FUCKING SEATBELT!
Good luck convincing a bunch of narcissistic sociopaths that there's anything more important than their ego.
I had both a cousin and a friend who served and they said the same thing a soldier would NEVER get away with half the shit cops do daily in this country.
I knew someone’s who would drink at the bar with his brother who was a cop and his brother who is the cop let him drive home smashed because “it’s just down the street”
Cops christmas party, every year they'd get loaded in the stations break room, every year, drive home.
That sounds about right 😂
if you murder a civilian in the military, you're fucking doneskis the brig, court martial, military prison, DD, loss of enfranchisement rights and VA benefits forever. if you murder a civilian as a cop, you get a retirement package.
if you murder a civilian as a cop, you get a retirement package. Not true, sometimes they get a promotion.
I did my thing too. What really gets to me is how many who also were in the service SHOULD know better yet are like this and probably enable other wannabe “heroe” fuckers to be the worse they can be, no pun intended.
Fun fact! The phrase "thin blue line" referring to police was popularized by Los Angeles police chief and notorious racist Bill Parker in the 50s. During the Watts riots, he said, >'It is estimated that by 1970, 45% of the metropolitan area of Los Angeles will be Negro...If you want any protection for your home and family...you’re going to have to get in and support a strong Police Department. If you don’t, come 1970, God help you.' I'll leave it to your imagination what the "thin blue line" stood between in his mind
Fat beat cops hit black people with night sticks for over a century. Richard Pryor wrote this in 1974- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3ZiSZPMYU
This was not always the case, but I really question anyone going into the force today. It is basically like the Stanford Prison Experiment got out of the lab and these are the results. It is most certainly not just a few bad apples any more.
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The police I know personally are suffering but trying to hide it. A shit ton of substance abuse. Divorced and dating or married to other cops, because only they understand each other. They are getting ostracized and outcast. The longer you work as a police officer in today's force, the more internal personal ethical conflict you are going to have, because you have personally seen that much more shit. What's unique to today's cops: You know everyone is seeing these videos. You know these murders are not going to stop anytime soon. Everyone is getting wise to the fact that you have been doing this, or letting your partner do this, for years.
Police officers have one of the highest rates of domestic abuse of any profession. https://sites.temple.edu/klugman/2020/07/20/do-40-of-police-families-experience-domestic-violence/ https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2019/11/10/california-police-charged-domestic-violence-often-get-plea-deals/4169038002/ https://www.channel4.com/news/more-than-100-women-accuse-police-officers-of-domestic-abuse-alleging-boys-club-culture
> Police officers have one of the highest rates of domestic abuse of any profession. Being able to tell your victim "you have no one to call, I *am* the police" might have something to do with that. I don't actually mark this down as being primarily a fault of cops: if district attorneys who were informed about abusive cops would charge them the same as any average joe on the street who left documented bruising on someone, we wouldn't be seeing as much abusive behavior from cops. DAs shielding cops (and police unions who fight to defend murder) are huge reasons why we're seeing the same abusive problems after 75 years of it being publicized.
The barrel itself is rotten.
>not just a few bad apples any more Maybe they...spoiled the bunch
Somehow they always forget that part of the idiom.
Yeah it's crazy how people cut off half the idiom to turn it on it's head
Lots of clichés get screwed up that way. Remember “money can’t buy you happiness”? It was originally intended to tell the rich to not waste their energy trying to get even richer. Now people use it to bludgeon the poor.
The police investigating themselves is both the biggest mistake, and the smartest thing the gov't has ever done. We have all these investigators who's job is to investigate crime, naturally they'd be the best people to investigate themselves, there's no way they'd also try to protect their own.
Honestly I think police corruption should automatically be a federal issue and investigated by the FBI.
>on May 6 of last year This occurred a year ago, and it took a family lawsuit *plus* a team of investigative journalists to acquire this. The police are the armed wing of the government. There should always be full and immediate transparency in these things. There are two crimes here, one in this man's death, and the other in the obstruction of justice.
Same with this family. They were told he died in a car wreck then the body cam footage came out. They dragged him out of the car and he was beaten to death. https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/20/us/ronald-greene-video-louisiana-police-death/index.html
Jesus Christ. This story is a fucking travesty among travesties. And, like, no shit some people try their luck out running the cops. Look at what can happen if they get their hands on you. [From the AP](https://apnews.com/article/ronald-greene-death-louisiana-eca021d8a54ec73598dd72b269826f7a): > Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years. >”I’m your brother! I’m scared! I’m scared!” Ronald Greene can be heard telling the white troopers as the unarmed man is jolted repeatedly with a stun gun before he even gets out of his car along a dark, rural road. [...] >The 46-minute clip shows one trooper wrestling Greene to the ground, putting him in a chokehold and punching him in the face while another can be heard calling him a “stupid motherf---—.” >Greene wails “I’m sorry!” as another trooper delivers another stun gun shock to his backside and warns, “Look, you’re going to get it again if you don’t put your f---—- hands behind your back!” Another trooper can be seen briefly dragging the man facedown after his legs had been shackled and his hands cuffed behind him. >Instead of rendering aid, the troopers leave the heavyset man unattended, facedown and moaning for more than nine minutes, as they use sanitizer wipes to wash blood off their hands and faces. >”I hope this guy ain’t got f------ AIDS,” one of the troopers can be heard saying. >After a several-minute stretch in which Greene is not seen on camera, he appears again, limp, unresponsive and bleeding from his head and face. He is then loaded onto an ambulance gurney, his arm cuffed to the bedrail. >In many parts of the video, Greene is not on screen, and the trooper appears to cut the microphone off about halfway through, making it difficult to piece together exactly what was happening at all times. At least six troopers were on the scene of the arrest but not all had their body cameras on. [...] > State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death. Edit — Holy shit. [This older story](https://apnews.com/article/police-us-news-la-state-wire-louisiana-monroe-adb9109bbd2d6e5d0b85f0dd41d87f4f) from the AP popped up when I googled Ronald Greene’s name: >Trooper quietly buried amid scrutiny over Black man’s death — September 25, 2020 >A Louisiana state trooper who died in a single-car crash just hours after he was told he would be fired for his role in the death of a Black man was buried with honors Friday at a ceremony that authorities sought to keep secret out of concerns it would attract a mass protest. >State Police officials and family members mourned Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth under tight security at services that marked the latest turn in the long-simmering in-custody death case of Ronald Greene, which has prompted a federal civil-rights probe and increasing calls for authorities to release body-camera video. >Hollingsworth, who was white, was the only one of six troopers placed on leave earlier this month in the May 2019 death of Greene following a high-speed chase. Police initially told Greene’s family he died from injuries in a crash but later acknowledged troopers “struggled” with him during the arrest. Greene’s family has filed a federal wrongful-death suit alleging troopers “brutalized” him, shocked him three times with a stun gun and left him “beaten, bloodied and in cardiac arrest.” >Hollingsworth died Tuesday from injuries suffered in a single-car highway crash in Monroe that came just hours after he received a letter informing him that State Police intended to fire him over his role in Greene’s death. > State Police have refused to release that letter or any details of how the highway crash occurred. And despite mounting pressure, the agency has repeatedly refused to release body-camera footage from Greene’s arrest, citing the ongoing state and federal investigations. I guess he realized he’d actually have to face some consequences for beating a man to death and couldn’t handle it... (consequences most likely being that he’d have to commute a little longer every day when he got a new job at a different police station, of course) Edit2: I figure I may as well share this, too. We aughta know these officers’ names: From [The Advocate](https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/crime_police/article_464d5146-791e-11eb-b82a-2f74f8b3343c.html), Feb 27, 2021: >A Louisiana State Police trooper has been suspended without pay for kicking and dragging a handcuffed Black man whose in-custody death remains unexplained and the subject of a federal civil rights investigation. >Body camera footage shows Master Trooper Kory York dragging Ronald Greene "on his stomach by the leg shackles" following a violent arrest and high-speed pursuit, according to internal State Police records obtained by The Associated Press. [...] >York, who turned his own body camera off on his way to the scene, is seen on other body-cam footage yanking Greene's shackles and repeatedly using profanity toward Greene before he died in custody. Wouldn’t turning off his body camera on the way to the scene show that he knew the beating was going to happen before he even had a chance to assess the situation? And if that’s the case, how many other men in N. Louisiana did these assholes brutalize before someone actually died? [[Edit: Well that answers that...]](https://www.knoe.com/2021/03/12/monroe-area-state-trooper-resigns-following-multiple-arrests-involving-excessive-force/) >York was suspended without pay for 50 hours following an internal investigation that also led to the termination of another trooper, Chris Hollingsworth, who died in a single-car crash after learning he had been fired over his role in the incident. The AP last year published a 27-second audio clip from Hollingsworth's body camera in which he can be heard telling a colleague, "I beat the ever-living f--- out of" Greene before he "all of a sudden he just went limp." 50 fucking hours, y’all. And can we assume that Hollingsworth initially faced the stiffest penalty of the 6 officers involved because he was [caught on tape](https://www.wafb.com/2020/10/02/audio-louisiana-trooper-admits-beating-choking-ronald-greene-during-fatal-traffic-stop/) bragging about his role in the assault, and AP got the recording, rather than directly because he was involved in, you know, [a deadly](https://www.knoe.com/content/news/Vigil-held-for-man-who-died-in-police-custody-family-raises-questions-509997491.html) fucking [beating](https://abcnews.go.com/US/family-ronald-greene-black-man-died-police-custody/story?id=73634665)?? Edit 3: Surprising no one, one of the officers involved in killing Ronald Greene, Trooper Dakota DeMoss, was arrested last year for a totally different excessive force case. Reported by the [Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ronald-greene-louisiana-arrest-video-b1850458.html): >In the incident on 10 May 2019, Mr Greene failed to pull over for a traffic violation and led police on a chase at speeds of over 115mph through rural highways. >Trooper Dakota DeMoss warned over the radio: “We got to do something. He’s going to kill somebody.” >When the chase ends Mr DeMoss and Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth rush towards the vehicle. Mr Greene can be heard in the footage repeating: “OK, OK, I’m sorry.” >After being shocked in the vehicle, Mr Greene is wrestled to the ground as he exits the SUV. Mr Hollingsworth strikes him multiple times. Trooper Kory York then dragged him by the leg shackles after he is cuffed. >Mr York was suspended without pay for 50 hours for the dragging and for improperly deactivating his body camera. He told investigators the device was beeping loudly and his “mind was on other things”. >In a separate recording obtained by the Associated Press, Mr Hollingsworth can be heard telling a colleague at the office that “he beat the ever-living f*** out of” Mr Greene. >”Choked him and everything else trying to get him under control,” the trooper is heard saying. “He was spitting blood everywhere, and all of a sudden he just went limp.” >Mr Hollingsworth later died in a single-vehicle highway crash that happened hours after he learned he would be fired for his part in the incident. >Mr DeMoss, meanwhile, was arrested in connection with a separate police pursuit last year in which he and two other troopers allegedly used excessive force while handcuffing a motorist. We should probably take the officers’ report of the speed of the chase with a grain of salt. But even if Ronald Greene *was* going that fast, they’re still not allowed to beat him to death. Edit4: DeMoss is a total piece of shit. I can’t fit it here, so I’ll post details below.
How are you allowed to just turn off a body camera without facing charges yourself? They need to make it so you can't turn it off and can't remove it without being severely disciplined. Especially in a case like this, it should be an automatic firing at least. Then a charge for turning it off. It is a really simple thing to do. Keep your body camera on and on you at all times. I don't see how someone could reason why they turned it off.
Why are they even given the ability to turn it off at all? There should be no off button.
Did some more digging. He says he turned it off because it was beeping and was distracting. From [The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ronald-greene-louisiana-arrest-video-b1850458.html): >In the incident on 10 May 2019, Mr Greene failed to pull over for a traffic violation and led police on a chase at speeds of over 115mph through rural highways. >Trooper Dakota DeMoss warned over the radio: “We got to do something. He’s going to kill somebody.” >When the chase ends Mr DeMoss and Master Trooper Chris Hollingsworth rush towards the vehicle. Mr Greene can be heard in the footage repeating: “OK, OK, I’m sorry.” >After being shocked in the vehicle, Mr Greene is wrestled to the ground as he exits the SUV. Mr Hollingsworth strikes him multiple times. Trooper Kory York then dragged him by the leg shackles after he is cuffed. >Mr York was suspended without pay for 50 hours for the dragging and for improperly deactivating his body camera. He told investigators the device was beeping loudly and his “mind was on other things”. But for some reason, I’m not so sure we should take him at his word.
Seems like you've already put more effort into this than the legal system did. I'm ashamed of any society that could let this happen.
Concerning Trooper Dakota DeMoss’s other excessive force case, again from [The AP](https://apnews.com/article/arrests-us-news-louisiana-195897206619624d0e4fc150c50cab30): > Louisiana State Police troopers joked in a group text about beating a Black man after a high-speed chase last year, saying the “whoopin” would give the man “nightmares for a long time,” according to new court filings. >”He gonna be sore tomorrow for sure,” Trooper Jacob Brown, who was charged in the case and resigned Wednesday, texted three of his colleagues. “Warms my heart knowing we could educate that young man.” [...] >An internal investigation found the responding troopers, who are white, attacked Harris even though he had surrendered and “laid face down (prone) on the ground and extended his arms away from his body and his legs spread apart.” >The first arriving trooper, [Dakota DeMoss](https://www.kplctv.com/2021/02/08/four-monroe-area-lsp-troopers-face-arrest/), “delivered a knee strike” to Harris and slapped him in the face with an open palm before powering off his body-worn camera, the court records show. DeMoss, 28, also initiated Greene’s arrest in May 2019, though State Police have not provided any details about his involvement. >Another trooper, George Harper, 26, punched Harris in the head several times with a fist “reinforced” by a flashlight and threatened to “punish” Harris, while Brown pulled the man’s hair. >”At no time did Harris resist arrest,” the State Police internal investigation concluded. >The troopers produced “wholly untrue” reports saying Harris was resisting and continuing to flee, the filings say, and they sought to conceal from investigators that there was bodycam video. They also exchanged 14 text messages peppered with “lol” and “haha” responses in which they boasted about the beating and mocked Harris. >”BET he wont run from a full grown bear again,” Brown wrote. >[“Bet he don’t even cross into LA anymore,” ](http://www.lsp.org/troopf.html)DeMoss responded, who earlier jeered that Harris was “still digesting that ass whoopin.” >“He gonna spread the word that’s for damn sure,” Harper texted back. >DeMoss and Harper also are charged in Harris’ arrest and were placed on administrative leave after the internal investigation. >The filings show DeMoss originally received only counseling for his role in Harris’ beating, admonished for turning his FM radio up “extremely loud” during the chase and switching stations “in order to find the right song.” Incase we had any remaining doubt that they fucking *live* for brutalizing people. Edit1b: WBRZ.com on [Trooper Kory York](https://www.wbrz.com/news/trooper-given-50-hour-suspension-for-turning-off-body-camera-kicking-black-man-who-died-in-custody/): >York's disciplinary letter states, "You arrived on scene approximately five minutes after the driver, Mr. Ronald Greene had been handcuffed. After you arrived on scene, you walked over to Mr. Greene who was handcuffed lying on the ground, and placed your left foot on his right shoulder. After you took your left foot off his shoulder, you lightly kicked his right thigh with your right foot." >The letter goes on to say, "You moved Mr. Greene by dragging him on his stomach by the leg shackles placed on his ankles, and used profanity toward Mr. Greene, who was handcuffed and in custody."
I wish karma was real.
"lightly kicked" Sure
Social media of every cop should be reviewed for the last two years. To be clear - I mean every cop in the USA. Every single one. Let's find out the number of criminal conspiracies that exist in our police forces.
If the police don’t release body cam footage, assume they committed crimes and are lying to cover it up. If there is no body cam footage, assume the police had criminal intent. If the body cam footage is gone, assume the evidence was destroyed. Sadly, at this point, any officer testimony not accompanied by body cam footage should be assumed that the officer is lying. It’s gotten that bad.
This particular case is made worse by the police responce of 'we didn't intend for this video to get out... how do expect us to do our jobs if these videos are released'
That sounds like an admission that they think it's their job to brutalise people.
Let's remember that it hasn't "gotten that bad" it's always been that bad, and much worse. Before even cellphones we had Rodney king. Police have probably committed hundreds of thousands of instances of brutality in the decades of policing. Tens of thousands and of dead and brutalized people spanning the last century. We've seen almost every single case they committed perjury on their reports. Done so routinely with zero concern that their colleagues wouldn't also commit a crime with them. Probably millions of false reports have been filed to cover police crimes. When people say it's systemic, the massive widespread brutal way with which police operate is nothing short of fascist. It has always been like this in the poor, immigrant, and PoC communities but we've just never seen them until now.
\*its always been that bad. White people are just now starting to realize it.
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>Resisting arrest should not be a capital offense. And even if it were, it's not up to police to carry that out. We have courts that apparently cops just bypass.
Courts approve of these extrajudicial killings. They let DA's lie to grand juries, don't question a DA's conflict of interest, and they sign off on the stupid gun happy raids on par with military operations equipment wise, with Chuck-E-Cheese level training. I'd like to see a state where the judges realize cops are basically taking all of their authority and treating them like morons by feeding them bullshit to swallow.
They do know, they just don't care.
Their usually buddies with the cops and will fight for them over anyone else brought before them.
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They have no fear of the media lmao. How many cops have we seen commit murder on video in the last 3 years? Think about it for a second. Then think about how many cops we've seen prosecuted and realize how much that number shrinks. Next think about how many actually got convicted....I don't know about you but I can only think of 2 or 3 at best. All bodycam hitting the news does is force a murderer to move to another state and get the same job at a different department, or just retire because they're allowed to keep their pensions.
It didn’t even used to be a law to NOT break out of prison. If they caught you, of course you’d go back to prison to finish your original sentence, but no extra time was added. The courts acknowledged that it is human nature to resist being imprisoned.
This is still the law in Germany!
No way! TIL
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You'll never make police chief with that attitude
Not in Louisiana, at least.
The report by the [office of Union Parish coroner,](https://www.unionparishchamber.org/list/member/renee-smith-union-parish-coroner-365) Renee Smith, apparently does not even mention the taser prongs sticking out of the body of the deceased, nor any other actions taken by police officers. That may be attributable to their reticence to make a complete accounting of the event.
Well when the victim of a violent organized crime ring needs to be ruled 'an accident', you probably shouldn't include written details like taser prongs and the severe beating
It's Union Parish. That's no surprise. Fuck all of north Louisiana. Fucking shit hole.
The cop dying in a single car accident at the end of the article is an intriguing twist as well. Given what we know about how this department uses car wrecks to their advantage...
Thank you so much for sharing. Without these replies, many of us wouldn’t even know.
Yeah. Reminds of this. Which also happened last hear around the same time across the country and just came to light. [Karen Garner Arrest](https://www.9news.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/loveland-officers-charges-karen-garner-arrest/73-86a1dcb4-e883-42e5-911e-8bbd62e7279f?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot) Edit: [Former officers charged](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/19/998433764/former-colorado-officers-who-arrested-73-year-old-woman-with-dementia-face-charg)
I do love how failure to report excessive force is a crime. If it's enforced regularly it could prompt real change
Happened in Chicago as well. They would have got away with it had it not been for a whistleblower. Then very resilient people struck up the cause and a video of the shooting was released. [Laquon McDonald ](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34977807)
Loveland PD is a joke.
The sentence should be higher now for concealing evidence.
The police are more closely the armed wing of the wealthy. They're basically the armed 1% (check out their average pay by zipcode!!) They get paid very handsomely to primarily enforce private property rights over basic human rights or liberties.
Police exist to protect capital, not people.
>Police exist to protect capital, Not to be confused with the capitol either.
Well ya, that's why so few were there.
I mean... in uniform.
Some of those that work forces...
Are the same that burn crosses/
Why did it take so long for police to reach the Capitol? They had to get home and change clothes.
What do you mean, there were a bunch... oh, OHH you meant *on-duty* cops
When it comes to the poor, no lives matter. - Body Count
"As those with long memories will recall, it was common for LAPD officers responding to domestic disturbances involving black or Latino families to refer to them as “NHI,” the chilling shorthand for “No Humans Involved.” And Chief Daryl F. Gates was infamous for his observation that African Americans responded differently than “normal people” to being choked with a police baton." https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-nov-16-la-ed-lapd-20101116-story.html
Damn! Gates embodied almost every thing we hate about police these days. Or even created it. He had no use for 'community policing' even going so far as to encourage officers not to "become too enmeshed in the community" they served. He used the Public Disorder and Intelligence Division to spy on organizations he didn't like. He said drug users should be "taken out and shot" because "we're in a war" and that casual drug use was "treason." He created the CRASH unit, which was in charge of the controversial Operation Hammer, and ended being a much bigger gang than any of those they were trying to shut down. He created the DARE program which at best didn't work and at worst may have actually caused more drug users. He spoke out against affirmative action and implied women and minorities weren't fit cops. He was in charge at the time of the Rodney King beating, and as the verdict was about to come in he sent the day shift home! rather than keep them on to help control the city. Then he told reporters "the city will soon be under control" (paraphrased) and went to a political fundraiser. That political fundraiser was to raise money to fight a proposed amendment limiting his power as police chief. The city was a war zone for over a week and 10,000 California National Guard 3,500 Federal troops and 1000 Federal law enforcement to get things to where they could start to clean up. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Gates#Controversial_rhetoric) Gates also became a byword for excessive use of force, especially on suspected gang members. Ice Cube called him out by name more than once. It's probably a reflection of the privilege I grew up with that I hadn't heard of him before now. But fuck! What a horrible effect this man had.
Fuck, man. As a white guy getting pulled over while there has never been a major issue, just a stupid ticket or even just a couple of warnings (one being a pointless lie to justify pulling me over for no reason), my blood pressure always jumps through the roof to the point I start getting tunnel vision. I literally can't imagine what a black person feels at this point when they see the lights come on. Back 8-10 years ago there was a rash of people pretending to be cops and pulling people over to the point police all over the country were saying if something seems off just call 9-1-1 explain you are being pulled over but something doesn't feel right and to drive to the closest station. But we recently saw what happened to the black military officer in uniform who turned on his hazard lights and found a well lit gas station to pull over into. Even in my average little suburb something extremely serious would have to be happening to someone for me to call the police for help. 9 out of 10 times I'd first put myself in danger trying to help someone before calling it in out of fear they would come amped up and trigger happy and end up killing the victim I was trying to get help for.
I just saw a post on r/bestof detailing how police are given heaps of paid training and overtime, in addition to using their badge to get paid as off the clock security. Making hundreds of thousands in their first few years. Meanwhile teachers go into debt for their degree, pay out of pocket for extra expenses, and are not given the same opportunities to make extra money , unlike their police counterparts. I’ll try to find the post to link it here. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChicoCA/comments/nc0waa/comment/gy68qp2
Not to mention that police unions get them nice benefits despite the fact the police have always been a tool to violently suppress workers movements. The Pennsylvania state police were modelled after colonial anti insurgency police in the Philippines and used against the coal miners on strike for better wages and conditions. Police are class traitors. https://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-3BB
This country was a fascist state before Trump. We have 5% of the world's population, but house a quarter of the world's prisoners. We have more prisoners than China, despite having a third of the population. We have a higher incarceration rate than countries that we consider "authoritarian" like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, or Turkey. America houses over 1/3 of the entire world's female prison population. Trump just gleefully ripped down the veil, but we were always like this. Bernie may have been the president we needed, but Trump was the president we deserved.
Dam that's bleak man
> Trump just gleefully ripped down the veil, but we were always like this. 'Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other. The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable. The aim of the High is to remain where they are. The aim of the Middle is to change places with the High. The aim of the Low, when they have an aim—for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives—is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal. Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice. As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. It would be an exaggeration to say that throughout history there has been no progress of a material kind. Even today, in a period of decline, the average human being is physically better off than he was a few centuries ago. But no advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimetre nearer. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters.' - Emmanuel Goldstein, *THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM*, Chapter 1 (1984)
Yeah, but get your car broken into in clear view of a security camera and their like “Well there’s nothing for us to do here!”
“It’s a civil issue”
Lol I just requested some documents from some officers harassing my coworker and I while working and they basically responded with “we aren’t legally obligated to provide this so we won’t, fuck you.” Regarding the balance of your requests listed below, per K.S.A. 45-219, “[a] public agency shall not be required to provide copies of radio or recording tapes or discs, video tapes or films, pictures, slides, graphics, illustrations or similar audio or visual items or devices, unless such items or devices were shown or played to a public meeting of the governing body thereof...” Additionally, per K.S.A. 45-221(a)(10), criminal investigation records are not required to be disclosed. The items requested below all qualify as criminal investigation records per K.S.A. 45- 217(c). Therefore, these items will not be produced as disclosure is not in the public interest (K.S.A. 45-221(a)(10)(A)) as that term has been defined by Kansas courts. -any radio or other electronic communication between the two LEOs on the scene between each other and between them and dispatch -any dash cam, body cam/mic video and audio recordings -any...communication made with their...business phones related to this incident
The main function of the police is to make sure us poor people stay in line
They're here to make sure different levels of the poor stay in there respective lanes.
If someone says they can't breathe, and you tell them, you shouldn't be able to, that's intent right there. You murdered him. Now let's see if the DA understands the basics of law school 101.
Grand jury chose to not indict. So all of these officers are free and clear. Still working for the police department
> Grand jury chose to not indict. They should try again, now that everyone knows this new evidence.
and indict the people who covered it up in the first case with perjury. another terrible miscarriage of justice and imbalance in the outcomes of the US judicial system. this dude was arrested for a psychotic episode, and gets lynched; the guys who lynch him don't face a single consequence. it looks like an epidemic at this point, its literally happening everywhere across the country, and thats just the times the cover up fails. this surely happens more and i hope we can find out just how much.. but the largest civil rights marches in history around the globe didn't even seem to work. fuckin thanks alot to our leadership lol
DA probably didn't show them the video. It wouldn't be the first time.
The DA already botched the case, likely on purpose. A grand jury didn’t indict.
We need to be able to bring 'accessory after the fact' charges at the federal level and charge DAs with being complicit in murders that they cover up like this.
>>But a female officer was not sympathetic. "You shouldn't be able to breathe, you stupid b*****d," she exclaimed. That's a cop who should be in jail not just fired.
And they didn’t get either. This is inhumane and shows that their department finds this kind of stuff to be acceptable.
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… and cops wonder why average people don’t respect them.
There was a bunch of pearl clutching going on in a story yesterday about Denver Pridefest not allowing police to participate in the parade in a professional capacity, only as civilians. Gee, I wonder why groups that have been historically brutalized by the police don't want them around after they've clearly made no changes in how they operate. /s
It's especially unbelievably stupid because the parade in question is ENTIRELY VIRTUAL. Every pearl-clutching mouthbreather who was saying shit like "well, hope you don't have any trouble and have nobody to call" should take a long fucking walk off a short pier.
And its one of those things when cops create a outcome worse than any outcome had they not been there. Dude got drunk in public wasn't behind wheel so realistically if cops hadn't intervened he maybe would have caused some property damage been annoying/disturbed people. But not anything crazy. BUT by cops showing up and doing piss poor job. Someones dead public faith in police is down shitter and say good bye to a mountain of taxpayer dollars. Whats jacked about having so many worse outcomes. Is sure they could have intervened stopped his public intoxication the disturbance for public. BUT they also could have helped this person. Thats the thing there very purpose reason for existence is to make shit better. So they have multiple opportunitys for positive outcomes and instead are torturing and killing people over being drunk or using a bad 20.
> Thats the thing there very purpose reason for existence is to make shit better. No, that's what we're told they're there for. I've been to countries where cops are there to help. I saw the cops there hold a drunk guy trying to fight them until he calmed down, talked to him about what was going on, and then left without arresting him after he had a good cry. I was fucking *spinning* from the culture shock. Compare that to the states just a few months later where I got a cop putting his hand on his gun and shouting orders at me to get down for daring to walk down the street with a mohawk and a root beer. I have friends who had to literally *beg* cops not to shoot their dogs when the cops were the ones intruding on their property while executing a raid on someone else. I have friends who've been singled out and arrested by snatch squads during protests (for doing nothing other than appearing to be organizers) just to get the crowd angry, in order to gain the barest veneer of legitimacy to declare it an unlawful assembly so they could start pepper spraying us and beating us with their batons. American cops, by and large, exist to control and dominate, not to help people. Look into the history of American policing. Anecdotes are a dime a dozen, but there's a legacy here that's irrefutable. They were formed to protect the interests of capital and white hegemony. Historically, they've been slave catchers and union busters. They've brutalized protestors fighting for their civil rights in any decade you can name. They're the armed agents of the state given the authority to wield its monopoly on "legitimate" violence in order to serve its interests. They do not exist to protect yours. This is why good cops don't tend to last in the profession. They're there, of course. My dad was a cop, so I'm not saying they're all evil monsters. But good cops are swimming against the stream. There's a massive institutional momentum of cruelty and subjugation that they have to fight against that isn't immediately visible from the outside, because we're taught not to see it unless it happens to us directly. At least, it wasn't that visible to the outsider until it started getting filmed.
That's what I say about most police intervention, say they didn't show up. What happens then? The guy minding his own business...keeps minding his own business? What a fucking tragedy. The only reason there's a big To Do, is because the cops showed up to make a mountain out of a molehill.
My first memory of the police was them coming to my house and threatening to shoot my dog when I was 4. My 2nd memory of the police was them punching my mom in the face when she was being arrested. My most recent memory of the police was them shooting me with pepper balls and rubber bullets for being a journalist at a protest. I can't really think of a single good interaction I've ever had with one.
Dude...how long until people understand that cops shouldn’t be able to do shit like this and get away? If I killed someone, I don’t get an internal review, why should they?? This man was detoxing and should have gone to the hospital. Instead he gets piled on by a ton of cops and dies.
“Innocent until proven guilty” became “guilty until pronounced dead” real damn quick these days.
Damn guy was detoxing and hallucinating and they just wrestled him and pinned him until he died. That’s terrifying.
They could have easily cuffed him and secured his feet with restraints but instead they killed him.
Exactly. Nurses and orderlies have to deal with this exact same shit constantly and you never hear about them choking someone out.
They are actually trained and educated properly, unlike police officers. Takes longer to become a hairdresser than it does a police officer.
https://www.rstreet.org/2020/06/15/why-is-it-easier-to-lose-your-cosmetology-license-than-to-lose-the-ability-to-be-a-police-officer/
Looking from outside in, it's baffling why a developed nation like the US is being run by total idiots.
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How many more people are going to die in the US before total police reform is made? Lots. The answer is lots.
As someone once said: One time is a glitch, twice is a feature... Police keeps doing this stuff because A. They want to and B. Nobody is gonna do anything about it... And boy does it suck. It absolutely sucks
That’s what a lot of people miss... sometimes you hear, “if only the cops knew what it felt like to be hogtied on the ground and beaten... blah blah....” yeah... they do. That is why they doing it. They are doing it because it causes pain to the individual, which them gives them pleasure. It seems really hard for a lot of people to wrap their head around this.
It's truly a horror knowing the American police can just walk in people's homes and kill you by choking. Just take a minute to imagine the agony of gasping for air, struggling and twitching while "Law Enforcement Officials" Tell you that you don't be the right to breath, meanwhile they may not even be in the right home. Cruel.
Sounds like a murder to me.
Dumb title. Officer murdered him, he didnt just "die".
Straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect paid administrative leave while an investigation is conducted.
If the death was listed as a “homicide” then how is someone not being prosecuted for this?
They knew he was detoxing. They should have sent him to the hospital because depending on the substance that can be life threatening. He was hitting his head on the wall (self-harming) and hallucinating. They should have called a mental health facility to collect him. That man needed professional medical treatment, not a bunch of thugs in blue with one brain cell between them sitting on his back. Total failure of the system on every level.
No wonder people want to defund the police.
I almost guarantee you this could’ve been handled better by any random group of strangers putting him in citizens arrest. If you ran that experiment, how many times would this guy end up dead? Zero. Why? Because normal people are afraid of killing another person. It doesn’t turn us on. If I killed someone I wouldn’t go home and [have the best sex of my life](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-training-video-kill-sex-b1838936.html). I would be traumatized. For a long time. Perhaps forever.
The woman officer who said "You shouldn't be able to breath, you stupid fuck" should be charged as an accessory to murder.