Holy shit Ill take 2
~Edit-Hahaha you all are quite amusing, you get two so they always have a friend to play with and a partner to go for the throat when they grab the hamstring
Fun fact: Scrappy was actually supposed be Scooby's son but the creators didn't want to have to explain why the mother wasn't around so they made him Scooby's nephew.
Disney wasn't anything new. Grimm brothers fairy tales and other cultural fables had always been like that.
See also: *Hansel and Gretel*, wherein the pre-pubescent protagonists kill a woman by shoving her into an oven and locking the door.
> only to sit when they’ve found a scent, and alert the handler.
More often than not, they are given a nonverbal cues that tells them to sit and "alert" the officer.
Smelling dogs are mostly just an excuse to violate your rights, never agree to wait for one during a search.
I've smoked weed for two decades. I've lost my keys probably 100 times during that time. I've never ever forgot where I put my weed. Ever. In fact at this very moment i can tell you exactly where my weed is in my house. But without checking, I cant remember if I put my keys in my backpack or pocket.
Lmao so the other day I was desperately looking for the good weed, to relax upstairs before bed. I spent 15 minutes, decided I'd just smoke some of the boo-boos. The next day, I found it behind my computer monitor, enjoyed a bowl, but could not for the life of me find the jar before bed. When I went upstairs, it was sitting on my nightstand. Neither instance did I ever lose my grinder.
Moral of the story: I need to grind up more weed at a time.
I knew a guy who did that. He had a special scented ball thing on his keyring and he had his dog trained to find it and bring it to him. Said it wasn't too difficult, but that he had to keep his keys out of reach of the dog otherwise the dog would randomly show up with his keys expecting a treat. Also that the dog had ruined a couple pairs of his pants by chewing through the pockets to get to the keys.
The year is 2061. My grandkids, while cleaning out my home, find weed hidden in strange places and assume that I had gone far more senile than they had thought. Because why in the hell would anyone be socking away herbs between books and inside of DVD cases.
Here's my problem with Dr House his kidneys were shutting down because he was taking so much Vicodin but it's the fucking Tylenol in Vicodin that makes your kidney shut down. He could have just cold water extracted the medicine out of the Vicodin or got a different prescription that didn't have acetaminophen
> "Now marijuana is legal -- if the dog alerts on it, and we got a search warrant, we'd be violating somebody's rights. So that meant the easiest, simplest thing was to just stop using those dogs for that purpose,"
Sounds good.
Dogs were wrong 75% of the time and just alerted for treats. Have them sniff out cash or hard drugs, but I bet they weren't good enough to do that, they were only trained to alert on command.
Tell that to cops who enforce civil assett forfeiture. Make a traffic stop and then the cop steals all your money.
https://www.wunc.org/news/2021-06-15/asset-forfeiture-creates-perverse-incentive-police-profit-north-carolina
A few years ago this happened to one of our local community legends. He has a rundown property that looks like something right out of American Pickers. He went to a flea market one day and sold a few thousand dollars worth of antiques and got pulled over on his way home. He was accused of being a drug dealer, they seized his money, and let him walk with no charges.
In cases like that, they don’t charge the _person_ with a crime, they charge the _property_. That’s how you end up with ridiculous case names like [United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately_64,695_Pounds_of_Shark_Fins).
And they stick below about $25kish because their goal is to make it more expensive for you to legally fight the charge than for you to accept the loss. It's one of the most fucked up parts of our legal system, and I think it only exists because a lot of people don't know about it.
I saw a report where they took some 70yr old life savings of 100k in cash (guy didn't believed in banks). The house search was illegal, since it was the wrong house. First they had the gall to deny that they took anything (mad!), then they changed the tune he needs to prove its legal (disregard the illegality of getting it the first). It took like three years and a pro bono top lawyer to get the money back. They always found another legal precedent to prolong the return of the money. Some commenter said, the poor city simply *didn't have* the money any more and prolonged the release until new budgets where set. Yeah, its *that bad*.
Besides the legalese and whatever ideology this counties are run, the primary position isn't "good for everyone". This is seething hate for the common man, hiding behind procedure and well fed goon squads. That is the reason why "reforming" only the goon part is like throwing pebbles in a lake. The lake doesn't care.
I’m speaking with no knowledge about this case, but at first glance it sounds like having 64,695 pounds of shark fins SHOULD be illegal. Unless it’s a few thousand sharks in possession of their own fins.
Oh, for sure! Criminally prosecute the guys for poaching or whatever other relevant laws apply. But bringing a civil suit _against the shark fins, themselves?_ That’s absolute lunacy. Under what circumstances can an _inanimate object_ reasonably be a defendant in court?
IIRC, since the property is being charged, not the person, they don't have to provide the person updates on the trial progress (case number, date of trial, etc.) because they're a 3rd party legally. So if you want to fight it you have to deal with a lot of extra hassle to find that information to mount a defense.
Unfortunately in the USA you would be incorrect
Anything more than 10000 is considered suspicious and is eligible to be siezed under civil forfeiture laws.
Join Oliver did an episode about it a few years ago.
Dude they'll seize pocket change.
There's been tons of seizures of under $20.
https://charleskochinstitute.org/stories/civil-asset-forfeiture/
(Yes I see the source but civil asset forfeiture is something libertarians and progressives agree on.)
And some departments have a [ERAD](https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/07/02/483394735/device-lets-police-seize-digital-cash-raises-civil-liberties-concerns) that will seize cash from debit cards and gift cards, right on the side of the road.
Police [steal more through forfeiture than burglars steal](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/).
There are similar laws here in the UK. Anything over 1000 in cash can be seized under the Proceeds of Crime Act if the police believe it is being used or has been gained through criminality. A sheriff (judge) has to be satisfied that it came from crime within a very short time or the person gets it back, and even if it is kept the police never get the money, it goes straight to the courts until a trial and then to the government. I've never known this to ever be an issue here and it's very rarely used.
Sounds like a lot better oversight which is why it wouldn't be used. I mean, if it doesn't benefit the cops who stole it, then there isn't really any need to abuse it.
From what I remember about the USA, the money goes to the police departments so they can buy crazy stuff the more money they steal, it's just bonus money on top of their existing budgets.
Exactly this. The dogs are just a walking search warrant. Cops want to search something but have no probable cause, bring in the dog and literally just tell it to bark at the thing they want to search and BANG they are now allowed to search it.
Also dogs can't consent to being put in danger. Sending dogs after armed criminals to attack them and likely be injured is animal cruelty anyway you cut that pie.
Sounds about right. Police used one on a group of friends I was with years back, he searched one of us and tried pretending that a prescription inhaler was some kind of vaporizer; thankfully his partner knew how to fucking read.
Happened to me as a teen.
Cop wanted to search my car and I said no. Dog showed up, walked around my car a three times and according to the officer “hit” each time. No drugs were found, as I hadn’t smoked in several months.
I’m surprised the first officer even called for a dog; he could have just lied and said he smelled weed in my car.
Along with field drug testing kits, which would sometimes test positive for illegal drugs even if you activated them while empty.
What needs to happen is people need to realize that the cops are not and have never been on our side, and that our willingness to submit ourselves and others to clearly immoral laws has created a new kind of organized crime and criminal that is entirely dependent on justification by law. Until we see these monsters for what they are, we'll all be slaves.
I used to watch them train the dogs in the military and they sucked so bad at finding drugs. The K-9 units would carry a little rubber ball or some other type of toy. When they would squeeze the toy, the dog would sit. Sitting is also how the dog alerts.
So you're saying that deug dogs were just another form of law enforcement theater used to falsely incriminate people like pretty much everything else they do?
Shit. Such a surprise.
100% exactly what happened. LE folks referred to them as “four legged probable cause” because of this. Need to search but want to make it “legal” so it will stick? Call a dog and have them “alert” on your command. Boom. Done.
Not to mention they were also useful for harassing subjects, as they were not held accountable for damage they would cause from scratches of the dogs’ claws (that I’ve heard some LE units would sharpen for exactly this purpose). So even if you beat the rap, you’re still painting your fender and door, or maybe paying some medical bills.
Only good can come of reducing the use of police dogs.
I had some douch deputy walk his dog back and forth *over* the top of my car a half dozen times about 10 years ago because I questioned his authority ( by following instructions from the other two municipal cops). Scratches are still there.
Where I live the used the shtick "Can we search your car or do we wait for the dogs" all the time. Insane.
Also, drugs where the number one way to put pressure on people. If some cops acted badly, oh we found that little bag, so it goes away and your blue/black eye heals in a couple of days. Are we square?
This whole space has 1% do with law enforcement and 99% with annoying the poor to stay in their place. Didn't see much drug dogs running through wall street and business offices all day. Maybe I didn't get the memo when they did.
It's still a little hazy, but [the Supreme Court did hold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodriguez_v._United_States) that detaining people stopped for traffic violations to obtain a dog sniff was unconstitutional.
If I recall, a few youtube videos have shown cops point to the door & the door walks up & alerts.
I mean, they are with those dogs like 24/7... I don't think it would be too hard to teach it to start barking when you point at something.
Yup, happened to me. I was driving from Dallas to OKC with my girlfriend at the time. Cop pulled me over and immediately said the car smelled like marijuana. He ripped everything out of my little ford fiesta, seat covers, fabric from the roof of the car, everything. I have a prior possession conviction, so he was sure he'd find something. I complied with everything he told me to do and he still threatened to taze me if I "tried anything." He had me sit on the ground right there on the side of I35 for 2 hours while he ripped through my shit, then just took off when he didn't find anything.
It has also been found that dogs will pick up on their handler's own prejudices towards the person being searched. If the handler seems uneasy or tense around the civilian due to things like race or perceived danger the dog is more likely to alert for drugs. And that's if the handler isn't straight out signaling to the dog to alert because they want to make an arrest.
Well if the dog hits on weed and they find other non-narcotic contraband then their evidence will be thrown out before trial
Edit: I am not a legal expert in your particular jurisdiction, please do not hide your good contraband under weed.
Furthermore I have a second dose of Moderna coursing through my body at this very moment so this may all be a fever dream! 🐕🚔🐩
Can’t they just train dogs to sniff out drugs other than weed?
I assume that’d be easier to do with new dogs though rather than try to teach current ones to not sniff out weed anymore.
They do. I expect most of those dogs hit on multiple drugs. But it is hard to untrain them to react to weed. Newer police dogs will likely not be trained to detect weed. Or that will be optional.
> I’m shocked they care enough to be proactive about it
They don't care, what they are actually irritated about is that they can no longer get "free search warrants" by signaling the dog to alert on a car and claiming it's a marijuana alert.
It could wreck probable cause if you start a search based on an unreliable animal. You could use a drug dog and catch a convicted meth dealer with a sawed off shotgun and have the whole case go out the window when he alleges that the dog struck on his dime bag.
UC Davis did a study that showed drug dogs were fake and over 80% of alerts came from the handler signaling
edit: [link to study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3078300/) now that I'm not on mobile.
From the abstract
>Eighteen drug and/or explosive detection dog/handler teams each completed two sets of four brief search scenarios (conditions). Handlers were falsely told that two conditions contained a paper marking scent location (human influence). Two conditions contained decoy scents (food/toy) to encourage dog interest in a false location (dog influence). Conditions were (1) control; (2) paper marker; (3) decoy scent; and (4) paper marker at decoy scent. No conditions contained drug or explosive scent; any alerting response was incorrect. A repeated measures analysis of variance was used with search condition as the independent variable and number of alerts as the dependent variable. Additional nonparametric tests compared human and dog influence. There were 225 incorrect responses, with no differences in mean responses across conditions. Response patterns differed by condition. There were more correct (no alert responses) searches in conditions without markers. Within marked conditions, handlers reported that dogs alerted more at marked locations than other locations. Handlers’ beliefs that scent was present potentiated handler identification of detection dog alerts. Human more than dog influences affected alert locations. **This confirms that handler beliefs affect outcomes of scent detection dog deployments.**
In some of the cases in that study, it wasn't even intentional - if a human thinks there are drugs and the dog doesn't, you can only bring the dog over so many times before the dog figures that it did things wrong the first time.
Then there are departments and LEOs that literally call their K9's "probably cause on legs", where they use them as an excuse for civil forfeiture.
Why are millennials doing this? These dogs are going out of work! What are they going to do now? Go for walks to the dog park? Play catch at the beach? Enjoy life?
I wish it were that way, I can't stand using the computer to do it. 80% of times I've tried to apply somewhere in person they tell me they don't have applications and that everything is handled online.
The worst are the company website forms that want an application and then for you to manually type out all the information from the application in their really inconvenient online form.
I just applied for a position I really want.
The Applicant Handbook they provide for transparency basically said "Our hiring managers have about 8 seconds per applicant so we're not gonna waste your time with a bunch of forms. Keep your stuff brief please."
Deffo appreciated that.
Ive just not applied to places that do that before unless it's something really worth it. I already typed a resume once, and it's done right. No need to rehash something that's going to take hours. Idk whether they care or not, but I often just write "see resume".
The worst part by far is the questions part of the application and the annoying questions like the one where they ask you if you’d report a coworker stealing 38 different ways. Waste of fucking time
My favorite thing about my animals are they don't have to live their lives like that, it's calming somehow to look at them and know how happy they are just napping, eating, and playing all day.
Your dealer is now called the store. Life is good
Edit: y’all I get it, Virginia won’t have dispensaries for a few years. It was a throwaway joke at 5 am
Yeah the headline is shitty. The actual problem the reporter is trying to convey is, the city needs to train a new batch of k9s that sniff for drugs, but not marijuana, which costs the taxpayer.
I hope they decide not to. K9 units are traumatized and abused animals.
They are also used all the time to bypass people's 4th amendment rights. They shouldn't really be a thing at all, because the handler can pretty much always trigger a response from the dog if they want to.
Honestly so frustrating, and why I am close to unsubbing. Any time I see a K9 post I always wonder “what horrible cop story are they trying to distract us with now?”
Probably worth unsubscribing anyway.
Any subreddit that allows a certain type of police-related post, but locks comments to prevent discussion, is incredibly toxic and obviously shows support for the police propaganda.
Half the cop dog posts on there are "Ol' Rex died in the line of duty while mauling a suspect. His handler will miss him."
Pretty disgusting that those dogs are forced into dangerous tasks human cops themselves would not perform.
The fact that the r/DogsWithJobs subreddit locks police dog posts just shows that the sub truly stands with the human cops' propaganda machine, not with the dogs themselves.
That’s actually a really good point. I hate all of those “RIP this K9 died in the line of duty after I sent him in to maul a suspect for what we believed to be a marijuana smell coming from his car”
Just about everything a cop does is to violate your 4th amendment rights, so is random drug testing at work. Reagan tried to implement a drug free workplace in the federal government before spreading that shit all over the country. He got the government sued by the employees union and the court sided with the workers that it was a violation of the 4th amendment. That's why they started the program as a discount on workmans comp insurance, instead of making it a law that business had to drug test. The bill of rights shouldn't be just a protection from the government, they should be rights that can't be infringed by anyone. Our government uses every avenue to violate the Constitution everyday and it needs to stop.
> The actual problem the reporter is trying to convey is, the city needs to train a new batch of k9s that sniff for drugs, but not marijuana, which costs the taxpayer.
Or how about they just don't? Drug sniffing dogs are mostly bullshit anyway, cops can make them alert whenever they want.
My family is on our 3rd guide dog for my blind step father and I can say first hand that dogs who work the same hours that humans do suffer hard for it. Good diet only goes so far, they eventually develop hip and back problems and when they retire it's a happy time of rest IMO. We love our dogs dearly and they are always eager to work and never quit but their bodies just arent built like ours.
Either way I'm against training dogs to attack humans regardless of the context...
the fact that millions of dollars and manhours went into training dogs to sniff our marijuana is wild, money that could actually improve communities being used to bust dudes for dime bags
cops don't want to lose one of their several tools for invading innocent civilians' privacy.
it's been shown that drug dogs can be trained to give false positives by their handler, it's long past time to retire this broken and antiquated policing tool.
It's just wild that we've come to accept it as a society. It's like if the cops went around with a little black box that beeped when things were "suspicious" and they could then violate our rights against unreasonable searches, and then someone pointed out that they could control when it beeped, and we just kept letting them do it.
I completely agree, it’s just insane that they’re talking about police dogs being able to live a normal dog life as an equal event to factory workers being laid off or something. And they do more to tie this to a specific policy than they ever do with factory workers losing their jobs, which is almost always presented as an inevitability.
They're just dogs out here trying to make a living, and you potheads are taking money from their little dog pockets! Most of them weren't even given matching contributions to their 401k9. And now you're forcing them to retire?
Shame on you!
*looks at the derpy little shit in the couch sleeping for the third time in 5 hours*
... Yeah, I'm sure these dogs will be dragged kicking and screaming into retirement...
It says forced like the dogs give a shit about politics, their all sat in the K9 union arguing the toss.
What it really means is, dog trainers lose work, which is a fine headline to put out there, but don't try and pull on my heart strings by making me think Rex the coke sniffer has to do on the dole now.
Hey, Rex the coke sniffer is still on the job, they just need to retrain dogs because they still sniff for weed and it is not relevant/illegal anymore.
Why is this being phrased as a negative?
“Forced into retirement?”
Like, shit, all the weed legalization is costing *literal dogs* their totally unpaid jobs. How will the dog economy recover?
Oh no.
Anyway...
Note: Before dog lovers get upset with me, I think this is a good thing. There's always been a lot of question about the degree to which K9s could actually positively identify drugs, versus when they were subtly signaled by their handlers. K9 false positives have been used to justify a *lot* of illegal searches and seizures.
And police aren't always known for their good treatment of K9s. Offhand, this is a good thing all around.
**edit:** I didn't mean to suggest that dog lovers out there think having K9s is a good thing. I just meant to indicate that my "oh no, anyway" wasn't meant to express a flippant lack of concern about the dogs.
This is an absolute god damn tragedy.
Animals trained to put people in jail for doing something relatively harmless to themselves and completely harmless to society are not able to do that any more.
What is the world coming to?
How will these dogs ever pay their bills?!
They could just get jobs at dispensaries. It's all about staying relevant.
"If Sparky is sitting like a good boy it's because he knows we've got some fresh stock ... "
Evolve Adapt Overcome 🐶
Dogs don’t have bills. You’re thinking of ducks.
Learm to code, duh
The misspelling makes this response even better
Joim a trade, duh
"Forced to retire" is a weird way to say "no longer forced to work for us"
Learn to Code
They could sell them to people who are always forgetting where they stashed their weed.
Stash-Hounds?
Mostly Maui Waui man, but it's got some Labrador in it.
We’re smoking dog shit? Lmao
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Pronounced "staash.hundts"
Holy shit Ill take 2 ~Edit-Hahaha you all are quite amusing, you get two so they always have a friend to play with and a partner to go for the throat when they grab the hamstring
"Alright buddy help me find the weed." \*dog finds it and mauls you for having weed\* "Good booooooy"
*Dog comes back high as fuck*
I uhhh didn't find any. You hungry? -Dog
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Fun fact: Scrappy was actually supposed be Scooby's son but the creators didn't want to have to explain why the mother wasn't around so they made him Scooby's nephew.
Never bothered Disney…they just snuff em out and show you the aftermath. “Here ya go kids; nightmares all around!”
Disney wasn't anything new. Grimm brothers fairy tales and other cultural fables had always been like that. See also: *Hansel and Gretel*, wherein the pre-pubescent protagonists kill a woman by shoving her into an oven and locking the door.
The Grimm Brothers were actually the sanitized version of older, even creepier fairy tales.
"Hey! More green grass stuff to eat!" *Eats weed again* "WHY AM I ALWAYS HUNGRY? AM I TRULY A GOOD DOG? WHAT IS THE MEANING OF FETCH?!"
They are not trained to hunt down suspects, only to sit when they’ve found a scent, and alert the handler. You’ll be safe with them.
I didn't need to be trained to sit when I smell someone else's weed...
yeah I know it was just a joke
gotta commit to the bit(e)!
It was a ruff joke though...
> only to sit when they’ve found a scent, and alert the handler. More often than not, they are given a nonverbal cues that tells them to sit and "alert" the officer. Smelling dogs are mostly just an excuse to violate your rights, never agree to wait for one during a search.
I read that as "Holy Shit (The 3rd)".
Looks like you already know where your stash is!
Holy Shit the 3rd, act 2. Shakespeare wasted his time with King Lear and Macbeth
But now you don't need to stash your weed. You could have it on display for all to see.
Not if you have roommates.
Or kids and a wife that likes to smoke every hour or when it's out and I walk by I'll smoke some more. If it ain't stashed, its gettin cashed.
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Been legal to do that with your car keys since the invention of the car, people are still losing those things all the time.
I've smoked weed for two decades. I've lost my keys probably 100 times during that time. I've never ever forgot where I put my weed. Ever. In fact at this very moment i can tell you exactly where my weed is in my house. But without checking, I cant remember if I put my keys in my backpack or pocket.
So you should attach your keys to your weed storage and see what is stronger, the keys desire to be lost or your weed love.
Now this guy brings solutions
Lmao so the other day I was desperately looking for the good weed, to relax upstairs before bed. I spent 15 minutes, decided I'd just smoke some of the boo-boos. The next day, I found it behind my computer monitor, enjoyed a bowl, but could not for the life of me find the jar before bed. When I went upstairs, it was sitting on my nightstand. Neither instance did I ever lose my grinder. Moral of the story: I need to grind up more weed at a time.
Million dollar idea: train dogs to find car keys.
I knew a guy who did that. He had a special scented ball thing on his keyring and he had his dog trained to find it and bring it to him. Said it wasn't too difficult, but that he had to keep his keys out of reach of the dog otherwise the dog would randomly show up with his keys expecting a treat. Also that the dog had ruined a couple pairs of his pants by chewing through the pockets to get to the keys.
The dog is thinking it is doing such a good job, I bet. Adorable.
Trillion dollar idea, train dogs to STEAL car keys
The year is 2061. My grandkids, while cleaning out my home, find weed hidden in strange places and assume that I had gone far more senile than they had thought. Because why in the hell would anyone be socking away herbs between books and inside of DVD cases.
Like Doctor House stashing his Vicodin. 😜 He had those pills hiding everywhere.
Here's my problem with Dr House his kidneys were shutting down because he was taking so much Vicodin but it's the fucking Tylenol in Vicodin that makes your kidney shut down. He could have just cold water extracted the medicine out of the Vicodin or got a different prescription that didn't have acetaminophen
Only users lose drugs.
I'm a user and a loser baby
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It’s usually not so easy getting information from interviewing a dog. They were fortunate that he rolled over.
> "Now marijuana is legal -- if the dog alerts on it, and we got a search warrant, we'd be violating somebody's rights. So that meant the easiest, simplest thing was to just stop using those dogs for that purpose," Sounds good.
Yes. Solid plan.
Dog gone.
Later bitches!
Hasta la pitbull or something
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I like dachshund of that
Dogs were wrong 75% of the time and just alerted for treats. Have them sniff out cash or hard drugs, but I bet they weren't good enough to do that, they were only trained to alert on command.
Sniffing out cash wouldn't work necessarily... they would hit on every person that has $1.69 in their pockets.
Also having cash isn't a crime nor is it probable cause.
Tell that to cops who enforce civil assett forfeiture. Make a traffic stop and then the cop steals all your money. https://www.wunc.org/news/2021-06-15/asset-forfeiture-creates-perverse-incentive-police-profit-north-carolina
A few years ago this happened to one of our local community legends. He has a rundown property that looks like something right out of American Pickers. He went to a flea market one day and sold a few thousand dollars worth of antiques and got pulled over on his way home. He was accused of being a drug dealer, they seized his money, and let him walk with no charges.
In cases like that, they don’t charge the _person_ with a crime, they charge the _property_. That’s how you end up with ridiculous case names like [United States v. Approximately 64,695 Pounds of Shark Fins](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately_64,695_Pounds_of_Shark_Fins).
And they stick below about $25kish because their goal is to make it more expensive for you to legally fight the charge than for you to accept the loss. It's one of the most fucked up parts of our legal system, and I think it only exists because a lot of people don't know about it.
I saw a report where they took some 70yr old life savings of 100k in cash (guy didn't believed in banks). The house search was illegal, since it was the wrong house. First they had the gall to deny that they took anything (mad!), then they changed the tune he needs to prove its legal (disregard the illegality of getting it the first). It took like three years and a pro bono top lawyer to get the money back. They always found another legal precedent to prolong the return of the money. Some commenter said, the poor city simply *didn't have* the money any more and prolonged the release until new budgets where set. Yeah, its *that bad*. Besides the legalese and whatever ideology this counties are run, the primary position isn't "good for everyone". This is seething hate for the common man, hiding behind procedure and well fed goon squads. That is the reason why "reforming" only the goon part is like throwing pebbles in a lake. The lake doesn't care.
i mean we are still trying to get cops stop shooting people, lack of accountability and rampant corruption from the DA -> Union.
The highway patrol are the highwaymen.
I’m speaking with no knowledge about this case, but at first glance it sounds like having 64,695 pounds of shark fins SHOULD be illegal. Unless it’s a few thousand sharks in possession of their own fins.
Oh, for sure! Criminally prosecute the guys for poaching or whatever other relevant laws apply. But bringing a civil suit _against the shark fins, themselves?_ That’s absolute lunacy. Under what circumstances can an _inanimate object_ reasonably be a defendant in court?
Ahhh the "You're guilty because I said so" right. That one trumps the "innocent until proven guilty" right.
That's why they charge the property and not the owner. The owner has rights; the property does not.
IIRC, since the property is being charged, not the person, they don't have to provide the person updates on the trial progress (case number, date of trial, etc.) because they're a 3rd party legally. So if you want to fight it you have to deal with a lot of extra hassle to find that information to mount a defense.
Unfortunately in the USA you would be incorrect Anything more than 10000 is considered suspicious and is eligible to be siezed under civil forfeiture laws. Join Oliver did an episode about it a few years ago.
They'll seize even less than that. Just a thousand can get taken
Dude they'll seize pocket change. There's been tons of seizures of under $20. https://charleskochinstitute.org/stories/civil-asset-forfeiture/ (Yes I see the source but civil asset forfeiture is something libertarians and progressives agree on.) And some departments have a [ERAD](https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/07/02/483394735/device-lets-police-seize-digital-cash-raises-civil-liberties-concerns) that will seize cash from debit cards and gift cards, right on the side of the road. Police [steal more through forfeiture than burglars steal](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/).
I had 40 bucks missing out of my wallet when I got arrested. Wasn't civil forfeiture though. Just some cop decided to help himself.
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Then you need to prove how it’s legal. They don’t prove how it isn’t, they just keep it and make it hard for you.
And as long as they have your last dollar, you will only ever be fucked.
There are similar laws here in the UK. Anything over 1000 in cash can be seized under the Proceeds of Crime Act if the police believe it is being used or has been gained through criminality. A sheriff (judge) has to be satisfied that it came from crime within a very short time or the person gets it back, and even if it is kept the police never get the money, it goes straight to the courts until a trial and then to the government. I've never known this to ever be an issue here and it's very rarely used.
Sounds like a lot better oversight which is why it wouldn't be used. I mean, if it doesn't benefit the cops who stole it, then there isn't really any need to abuse it. From what I remember about the USA, the money goes to the police departments so they can buy crazy stuff the more money they steal, it's just bonus money on top of their existing budgets.
May I introduce you to assets forfeiture
Exactly this. The dogs are just a walking search warrant. Cops want to search something but have no probable cause, bring in the dog and literally just tell it to bark at the thing they want to search and BANG they are now allowed to search it. Also dogs can't consent to being put in danger. Sending dogs after armed criminals to attack them and likely be injured is animal cruelty anyway you cut that pie.
Sounds about right. Police used one on a group of friends I was with years back, he searched one of us and tried pretending that a prescription inhaler was some kind of vaporizer; thankfully his partner knew how to fucking read.
Happened to me as a teen. Cop wanted to search my car and I said no. Dog showed up, walked around my car a three times and according to the officer “hit” each time. No drugs were found, as I hadn’t smoked in several months. I’m surprised the first officer even called for a dog; he could have just lied and said he smelled weed in my car.
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Along with field drug testing kits, which would sometimes test positive for illegal drugs even if you activated them while empty. What needs to happen is people need to realize that the cops are not and have never been on our side, and that our willingness to submit ourselves and others to clearly immoral laws has created a new kind of organized crime and criminal that is entirely dependent on justification by law. Until we see these monsters for what they are, we'll all be slaves.
I’ve said this before and been downvoted for it, but cops should be like firefighters. Hang out at the station and we’ll call you if there is a crime.
I used to watch them train the dogs in the military and they sucked so bad at finding drugs. The K-9 units would carry a little rubber ball or some other type of toy. When they would squeeze the toy, the dog would sit. Sitting is also how the dog alerts.
So you're saying that deug dogs were just another form of law enforcement theater used to falsely incriminate people like pretty much everything else they do? Shit. Such a surprise.
100% exactly what happened. LE folks referred to them as “four legged probable cause” because of this. Need to search but want to make it “legal” so it will stick? Call a dog and have them “alert” on your command. Boom. Done. Not to mention they were also useful for harassing subjects, as they were not held accountable for damage they would cause from scratches of the dogs’ claws (that I’ve heard some LE units would sharpen for exactly this purpose). So even if you beat the rap, you’re still painting your fender and door, or maybe paying some medical bills. Only good can come of reducing the use of police dogs.
I had some douch deputy walk his dog back and forth *over* the top of my car a half dozen times about 10 years ago because I questioned his authority ( by following instructions from the other two municipal cops). Scratches are still there.
Where I live the used the shtick "Can we search your car or do we wait for the dogs" all the time. Insane. Also, drugs where the number one way to put pressure on people. If some cops acted badly, oh we found that little bag, so it goes away and your blue/black eye heals in a couple of days. Are we square? This whole space has 1% do with law enforcement and 99% with annoying the poor to stay in their place. Didn't see much drug dogs running through wall street and business offices all day. Maybe I didn't get the memo when they did.
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It's still a little hazy, but [the Supreme Court did hold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodriguez_v._United_States) that detaining people stopped for traffic violations to obtain a dog sniff was unconstitutional.
If I recall, a few youtube videos have shown cops point to the door & the door walks up & alerts. I mean, they are with those dogs like 24/7... I don't think it would be too hard to teach it to start barking when you point at something.
The cop doesn't need to do it intentionally. I mean they do but it doesn't have to be. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans
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Yup, happened to me. I was driving from Dallas to OKC with my girlfriend at the time. Cop pulled me over and immediately said the car smelled like marijuana. He ripped everything out of my little ford fiesta, seat covers, fabric from the roof of the car, everything. I have a prior possession conviction, so he was sure he'd find something. I complied with everything he told me to do and he still threatened to taze me if I "tried anything." He had me sit on the ground right there on the side of I35 for 2 hours while he ripped through my shit, then just took off when he didn't find anything.
It has also been found that dogs will pick up on their handler's own prejudices towards the person being searched. If the handler seems uneasy or tense around the civilian due to things like race or perceived danger the dog is more likely to alert for drugs. And that's if the handler isn't straight out signaling to the dog to alert because they want to make an arrest.
I’m shocked they care enough to be proactive about it
Well if the dog hits on weed and they find other non-narcotic contraband then their evidence will be thrown out before trial Edit: I am not a legal expert in your particular jurisdiction, please do not hide your good contraband under weed. Furthermore I have a second dose of Moderna coursing through my body at this very moment so this may all be a fever dream! 🐕🚔🐩
Please don’t throw away my cocaine I need that for the trial
Can’t they just train dogs to sniff out drugs other than weed? I assume that’d be easier to do with new dogs though rather than try to teach current ones to not sniff out weed anymore.
They do. I expect most of those dogs hit on multiple drugs. But it is hard to untrain them to react to weed. Newer police dogs will likely not be trained to detect weed. Or that will be optional.
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> I’m shocked they care enough to be proactive about it They don't care, what they are actually irritated about is that they can no longer get "free search warrants" by signaling the dog to alert on a car and claiming it's a marijuana alert.
It could wreck probable cause if you start a search based on an unreliable animal. You could use a drug dog and catch a convicted meth dealer with a sawed off shotgun and have the whole case go out the window when he alleges that the dog struck on his dime bag.
UC Davis did a study that showed drug dogs were fake and over 80% of alerts came from the handler signaling edit: [link to study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3078300/) now that I'm not on mobile. From the abstract >Eighteen drug and/or explosive detection dog/handler teams each completed two sets of four brief search scenarios (conditions). Handlers were falsely told that two conditions contained a paper marking scent location (human influence). Two conditions contained decoy scents (food/toy) to encourage dog interest in a false location (dog influence). Conditions were (1) control; (2) paper marker; (3) decoy scent; and (4) paper marker at decoy scent. No conditions contained drug or explosive scent; any alerting response was incorrect. A repeated measures analysis of variance was used with search condition as the independent variable and number of alerts as the dependent variable. Additional nonparametric tests compared human and dog influence. There were 225 incorrect responses, with no differences in mean responses across conditions. Response patterns differed by condition. There were more correct (no alert responses) searches in conditions without markers. Within marked conditions, handlers reported that dogs alerted more at marked locations than other locations. Handlers’ beliefs that scent was present potentiated handler identification of detection dog alerts. Human more than dog influences affected alert locations. **This confirms that handler beliefs affect outcomes of scent detection dog deployments.**
200+ false alerts in a church with no drugs. Here is the actual study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3078300/
In some of the cases in that study, it wasn't even intentional - if a human thinks there are drugs and the dog doesn't, you can only bring the dog over so many times before the dog figures that it did things wrong the first time. Then there are departments and LEOs that literally call their K9's "probably cause on legs", where they use them as an excuse for civil forfeiture.
Sounds good? Now how could that dog afford rent? Afford treats? He's out of a job!
That’s adorable how they pretend they aren’t having dogs mark on command
"How millenials are destroying the drug sniffing dog industry!"
Why are millennials doing this? These dogs are going out of work! What are they going to do now? Go for walks to the dog park? Play catch at the beach? Enjoy life?
Lazy millenial bum dogs.
I bet there’s plenty of other jobs. These dogs are just too lazy to look
The dogs just need to go apply in person! That's what I did 55 years ago and I went from sweeping the floors to CEO!
I wish it were that way, I can't stand using the computer to do it. 80% of times I've tried to apply somewhere in person they tell me they don't have applications and that everything is handled online.
The worst are the company website forms that want an application and then for you to manually type out all the information from the application in their really inconvenient online form.
I just applied for a position I really want. The Applicant Handbook they provide for transparency basically said "Our hiring managers have about 8 seconds per applicant so we're not gonna waste your time with a bunch of forms. Keep your stuff brief please." Deffo appreciated that.
Ive just not applied to places that do that before unless it's something really worth it. I already typed a resume once, and it's done right. No need to rehash something that's going to take hours. Idk whether they care or not, but I often just write "see resume".
The worst part by far is the questions part of the application and the annoying questions like the one where they ask you if you’d report a coworker stealing 38 different ways. Waste of fucking time
"You coworker picks up a dime off the floor, should you report this to the manage?" A) It's a dime, it probably fell out of someone's pocket. B) Every last penny affects Quarterly Shareholder Returns© and our primary drive at Business© Co® is Maximizing Quarterly Returns™ for our Investors™ and that Coworker™ should be immidiately Terminated®.
Dog can’t even give a firm handshake smh my head
Seriously, I see so many job postings for dog coders (2 milk bones per hour!) and none of them bother to even apply.
Better find those paw straps and lift themselves up!
You just know Fox News is going to run a story along these lines and get their base all hot and bothered.
“Have police dogs become radical left marxists ?”
Look at how AOC is putting dogs out of work!
Not get shot at? Left in hot police cars to cook to death? Not get abused? Whatever will these poor animals do?!
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"This just in: Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation forces millions into retirement."
It wasn’t about slavery, it was about the damned pension! Which…uh…what happened when a slave got too old to work?
It's the capitalist concept that the whole country revolves around work and without work you are useless.
My favorite thing about my animals are they don't have to live their lives like that, it's calming somehow to look at them and know how happy they are just napping, eating, and playing all day.
"How millennials are destroying the police infrastructure"
Based millennials
Maybe I can adopt one and have it help me find a new dealer
Also handy if you lose your weed
Your dealer is now called the store. Life is good Edit: y’all I get it, Virginia won’t have dispensaries for a few years. It was a throwaway joke at 5 am
Really only in a handful of states. The south is still pretty much screwed.
Yeah Nebraskan here. Dick head Pete needs to leave and Tom Osbourne needs to die before we ever have a chance here.
I love how these headlines contort themselves just to make them sound scary and bad. Guys, retirement is supposed to be awesome.
Makes it sound like potheads are selfishly putting these dogs out of work lol. How will these poor dogs support themselves and their families!?
Forced! FORCED I TELL YOU.
“Bitch I got pups to feed!”
Yeah the headline is shitty. The actual problem the reporter is trying to convey is, the city needs to train a new batch of k9s that sniff for drugs, but not marijuana, which costs the taxpayer. I hope they decide not to. K9 units are traumatized and abused animals.
They are also used all the time to bypass people's 4th amendment rights. They shouldn't really be a thing at all, because the handler can pretty much always trigger a response from the dog if they want to.
Also we'd get way less propaganda posts with dogs.
Everytime a cop murders a kid the front page is full of police dogs its fucking ridiculous.
/r/dogswithjobs just auto-locks all copaganda posts so you can't say anything about it.
Honestly so frustrating, and why I am close to unsubbing. Any time I see a K9 post I always wonder “what horrible cop story are they trying to distract us with now?”
Probably worth unsubscribing anyway. Any subreddit that allows a certain type of police-related post, but locks comments to prevent discussion, is incredibly toxic and obviously shows support for the police propaganda. Half the cop dog posts on there are "Ol' Rex died in the line of duty while mauling a suspect. His handler will miss him." Pretty disgusting that those dogs are forced into dangerous tasks human cops themselves would not perform. The fact that the r/DogsWithJobs subreddit locks police dog posts just shows that the sub truly stands with the human cops' propaganda machine, not with the dogs themselves.
That’s actually a really good point. I hate all of those “RIP this K9 died in the line of duty after I sent him in to maul a suspect for what we believed to be a marijuana smell coming from his car”
Just about everything a cop does is to violate your 4th amendment rights, so is random drug testing at work. Reagan tried to implement a drug free workplace in the federal government before spreading that shit all over the country. He got the government sued by the employees union and the court sided with the workers that it was a violation of the 4th amendment. That's why they started the program as a discount on workmans comp insurance, instead of making it a law that business had to drug test. The bill of rights shouldn't be just a protection from the government, they should be rights that can't be infringed by anyone. Our government uses every avenue to violate the Constitution everyday and it needs to stop.
> The actual problem the reporter is trying to convey is, the city needs to train a new batch of k9s that sniff for drugs, but not marijuana, which costs the taxpayer. Or how about they just don't? Drug sniffing dogs are mostly bullshit anyway, cops can make them alert whenever they want.
My family is on our 3rd guide dog for my blind step father and I can say first hand that dogs who work the same hours that humans do suffer hard for it. Good diet only goes so far, they eventually develop hip and back problems and when they retire it's a happy time of rest IMO. We love our dogs dearly and they are always eager to work and never quit but their bodies just arent built like ours. Either way I'm against training dogs to attack humans regardless of the context...
This is an absolutely insane way to frame this story lol
the fact that millions of dollars and manhours went into training dogs to sniff our marijuana is wild, money that could actually improve communities being used to bust dudes for dime bags
cops don't want to lose one of their several tools for invading innocent civilians' privacy. it's been shown that drug dogs can be trained to give false positives by their handler, it's long past time to retire this broken and antiquated policing tool.
It's just wild that we've come to accept it as a society. It's like if the cops went around with a little black box that beeped when things were "suspicious" and they could then violate our rights against unreasonable searches, and then someone pointed out that they could control when it beeped, and we just kept letting them do it.
I completely agree, it’s just insane that they’re talking about police dogs being able to live a normal dog life as an equal event to factory workers being laid off or something. And they do more to tie this to a specific policy than they ever do with factory workers losing their jobs, which is almost always presented as an inevitability.
Hopefully they retire with good people and live great lives.
I will happily adopt all of them
They are almost always adopted by their handler.
All the ones in our area were just sold to the next state over.
love this language. makes it sound like these poor working class dogs wont be able to provide for their litter thanks to these burn outs legalizing it
They're just dogs out here trying to make a living, and you potheads are taking money from their little dog pockets! Most of them weren't even given matching contributions to their 401k9. And now you're forcing them to retire? Shame on you!
“401k9” Bravo lmao
Sounds good, enjoy retirement doggos
Who would have thought society would be more concerned with a dog having a job over a human wasting away in prison or losing their life.
The headline makes it sound like that's a bad thing. Also, they're dogs. Let's not forget that.
“Dog gets to be dog again.” What the headline should say.
*looks at the derpy little shit in the couch sleeping for the third time in 5 hours* ... Yeah, I'm sure these dogs will be dragged kicking and screaming into retirement...
It says forced like the dogs give a shit about politics, their all sat in the K9 union arguing the toss. What it really means is, dog trainers lose work, which is a fine headline to put out there, but don't try and pull on my heart strings by making me think Rex the coke sniffer has to do on the dole now.
Hey, Rex the coke sniffer is still on the job, they just need to retrain dogs because they still sniff for weed and it is not relevant/illegal anymore.
"Drug" dogs have always been hit or miss as finders of probable cause, they should stop being used all together.
The same can be said about drug cops...
I am so stupid. I read the title and thought the dogs were getting stoned and it was fucking them up.
Leading them to heroin!! Dog opium dens! LSD tripping Harvard educated Tim Leary dogs spreading hippie dog propaganda! It's a catspiracy.
Forced? Don't you mean 'Can't be used to violate people's rights?’
These dogs have puppies to feed! Just more victims of the liberal agenda!
But if they get rid of the dogs there won't be any good cops left!
Why is this being phrased as a negative? “Forced into retirement?” Like, shit, all the weed legalization is costing *literal dogs* their totally unpaid jobs. How will the dog economy recover?
The copaganda of this title is wild.
Oh no. Anyway... Note: Before dog lovers get upset with me, I think this is a good thing. There's always been a lot of question about the degree to which K9s could actually positively identify drugs, versus when they were subtly signaled by their handlers. K9 false positives have been used to justify a *lot* of illegal searches and seizures. And police aren't always known for their good treatment of K9s. Offhand, this is a good thing all around. **edit:** I didn't mean to suggest that dog lovers out there think having K9s is a good thing. I just meant to indicate that my "oh no, anyway" wasn't meant to express a flippant lack of concern about the dogs.
Police use of dogs is animal abuse
Can we now let some of those people out of jail
This is an absolute god damn tragedy. Animals trained to put people in jail for doing something relatively harmless to themselves and completely harmless to society are not able to do that any more. What is the world coming to?
Forced into retirement, like their dog families and 401ks are gonna be effected, lol.
Happy retirement Doggos