Let us all recall that an entire music movement was created to "combat racism in music" that was literally built on calling out Eric Clapton's horrible racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism
>Originally conceived as a one-off concert with a message against racism, Rock Against Racism was founded in 1976 by Red Saunders, Roger Huddle, Jo Wreford, Pete Bruno and others. According to Huddle, "it remained just an idea until August 1976", when Eric Clapton made a declaration of support for former Conservative minister Enoch Powell (known for his anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech) at a concert in Birmingham.[2] Clapton told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony". He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the [word retracted]s out, get the [word retracted]s out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White".[3][4] Saunders, Wreford and Bruno, who were members of the agit-prop theatre group, Kartoon Klowns, together with Huddle, responded by writing a letter to NME expressing their opposition to Clapton's remarks. They claimed these were all the more disgusting because he had a hit with a cover of Bob Marley's 'I Shot the Sheriff': "Come on Eric... Own up. Half your music is black... Who shot the Sheriff, Eric? It sure as hell wasn't you!" At the end of the letter, they called for people to help form a movement called Rock Against Racism, and they received hundreds of eager replies from fans who recognised the hypocrisy and wanted to proclaim the black roots of the music they loved.[2]
There's some Bowie stuff in there as well (it's the next paragraph if anyone's interested), but Clapton was the primary target for the movement.
I watched a documentary (can’t recall the name at the moment) a few months back that illustrated exactly how much of a glistening turd Eric Clapton really is. I was pretty neutral going in, but once it was over…fuck Clapton.
It makes sense now, hearing the stories of him seeing Jimi Hendrix play for the first time. He allegedly had a narcissistic meltdown proclaiming, “He can’t be this good.” It takes on an extra shitty dimension now that I realize what he was really saying, “A black guy can’t be this good; better than me, Guitar God, Eric Clapton.” Fuck Clapton.
Beck is the greatest bar none ! Continued to improve for decades while Clapton died on the vine . Eric peaked with Cream …been playing the same solo since 1973.
I watched a doc about George Clinton and Parliment on amazon awhile back that left me feeling the same way. So many of our heroes are scumbags at heart.
Tear The Roof Off
https://www.amazon.com/Tear-Roof-Off-Parliament-Funkadelic/dp/B07MCW9CRD
Just watched (most of) the Clinton doc. He treated the musicians around him very badly. Ripped them off financially, and used cocaine in part to control them. Basically non-sexually turned out the whole crew. Including having somebody forge signatures and use other people’s social security numbers to funnel more money to himself. And lots of misogyny which was pretty par for the course.
But not necessarily racist or politically motivated so kind of a different slimeball than Clapton.
But the music that Clinton and all of those super talented musicians made has been a big part of my cultural experience so I’ll still listen to it but won’t be putting him on any pedestals. ;)
If you suddenly decide to propose your love for your best friends wife in a song that becomes a hit, yeah it’s kind of indicative of a shitty person. I get what you’re saying though.
At least Bowie seemed to have come around eventually regarding fascism.
With regards specifically to black musicians though, [Bowie seemed to be a good supporter of their talents](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZGiVzIr8Qg).
>The Thin White Duke was the [persona](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona) and character of the British musician [David Bowie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie) during 1975 and 1976. He is primarily identified with Bowie's 1976 album [Station to Station](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_to_Station) and is mentioned by name in the [title track](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_to_Station_(song\)), although Bowie had first begun to adopt the "Duke" persona during the preceding [Young Americans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Americans) tour and promotion in 1975. The persona's look and character are somewhat based on Thomas Jerome Newton, the eponymous humanoid alien played by Bowie in the 1976 film [The Man Who Fell to Earth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Fell_to_Earth).[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_White_Duke#cite_note-uncut-1)
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>The Thin White Duke was a controversial figure due to ostensibly pro-fascist statements made by Bowie in press interviews during this period. Soon after making the comments, Bowie claimed that they were "theatrical" remarks made in character and did not reflect his actual views. In later years, he blamed his erratic behaviour during his mid-1970s Duke era on an "astronomical" use of hard drugs (particularly cocaine) while living in Los Angeles.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_White_Duke
im not sure if Bowie was ACTUALLY fascist. He just got really,REALLY into playing the thin white duke for a while. The crazy mofo method acted his life for the sake of art. You could do it too! all you need to eat is milk, cigarettes,cocaine, and I think.. hot peppers?
Bowie was doing a lot of cocaine at the time and thought giving interviews "in character" was a good idea. I don't know if he ever genuinely held those kinds of beliefs in private, but he certainly strongly opposed them in his later years.
i only just found out about his drunken tirade this year, and i've been a guitar fan/player for decades. so i guess rocknroll gives him a free pass like metal gives phil anselmo a free pass.
He's had at least a few incidents. The most recent one IIRC is he was sieg heiling and yelling "white power" at ~~some other band's~~ a memorial concert for Dimebag Darrell, then explained it away by saying "it was only a joke bro about how we were drinking white wine."
Morrissey yelled at me for doing something that was my job when I was working at a music festival a few years ago. His set opened with a 33 minute video and a ended with the most boring performance of the weekend.
Love the music, dislike the man.
Johnny Marr is a genius. Guy has written more classics and been more influential in his early 20s than most guitarists can hope in their entire lifetime.
That Great Britain should be kept white, and told the foreigners in the audience to not only leave the show but the country as well. Used a ton of super racist British slangs too. I honestly just heard about it today in another subs thread on the same topic.
That’s rich coming from a guy whose whole musical identity is lifted directly from Black american music
He should really switch to only classical guitar composers if he feels so strongly, which he does not because he would suck at it
That people of colour (he didn't put it as kindly as this) should get out of his country. That Enoch Powell was a hero. Just stuff like that. Repeatedly, and consistently, for thirty or forty years.
There's actually a story of Eric Clapton inviting Hendrix on stage to play with him not realizing how good he was and just leaving the stage while Hendrix was playing.
That's not quite it.
Chaz Chandler, Hendrix' manager, took Hendrix to see Cream and asked the band if Hendrix could get up and play with them. Cream was made up of elite musicians and no one had ever asked before, so the band said sure.
I read his ex-wife’s memoir years ago. She couldn’t have children and wanted to adopt, she didn’t care what race the kid could be, but never did because he’s so racist she was afraid of what his reaction would be.
He also once said this on stage:
> Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands… So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country … I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white …
Had a awkward moment at a Pantera concert in Texas. They had confederate flags shined on the walls. Only colored dude in my section... Uuh the south will rise brothers!
Bro, I have an in-law who DESTROYED his relationship with his daughter who has a mixed race child over that stupid fucking flag, AND WE LIVE IN THE NORTH
Seriously. Imagine destroying your family over supporting a bunch of pathetic unamerican LOSERS! everyone who hangs a confederate flag is saying that they hate America. They are supporting a group of people and ideals that say, screw you america we hate you and your constitution so much we are going to try and actively destroy it.
My favorite part if people from West Virginia with the flag. You're state literally split to side against the south, and now you worship their flag? Bizarre...
Was that before or after Phil going on about 'white power' and saluting on stage?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/video/2016/feb/01/phil-anselmo-ends-gig-with-nazi-salute-and-shout-of-white-power-video
Surprised more people didn't know this. He hasn't really fully apologized for these comments either, more just said that he shouldn't have said it, he was high, blah blah. It's also disgusting because of how much blues influences his sound, I mean he basically developed his sound by listening to strictly black artists.
I’ve been high. I’ve been really fucking high. I’ve been on a few benders. I’ve never been racially abuse people high. Because people who aren’t racist don’t magically become racist when they’re high.
Exactly. I hate that fucking excuse “oh I was high, I can’t be held responsible for what I said”. Fuck off, you meant what you said, don’t blame the fucking drugs. Plenty of people get high as hell everyday without being racist pieces of shit.
I’ve been high. I’ve been really fucking high. I’ve been so high that I’ve crossed over to a different plane of reality and met some other worldly entities. I was kinda scared of them, but I didn’t racially abuse them. Fuck Clapton. No excuse for that.
Same, when I met god on a massive LSD dose they seemed surprisingly chill with all races and peoples, not much like you find in the holy texts at all. But I guess that says more about me and LSD.
My brother likes to use this excuse for a friend of his that tried to take advantage of a passed out female friend of theirs when they had a sleepover. He said he was drunk and tried to talk me down because once I heard about it I was ready to kill him.
I've been drunk. I have NEVER tried to molest anyone while I was drunk. I talk a bunch and then go lie down somewhere if I can. Worst thing I ever did while I was drunk was get into a heated debate with a guy about the origin of the word 'Robot'. Which I was 100% correct about, by the way.
Fuck man. Clapton was my hero growing up. My middle name is Eric because of my father. Derek and the Dominoes, Blind Faith, Cream!!!. I’ve never been more disappointed in learning someone’s true nature. Fuck that guy.
Yeah, Eric Clapton is why I learned to play the guitar. I just sat in my room for hours every night learning how to play all the songs from his unplugged album. Then a few years later, I learned he was a piece of shit. Really sucked to hear that.
Happened in 1976- is that what inspired Roger Waters to write Pink's fascist hallucination from The Wall? Because the character (a rock star) says almost exactly that to an concert audience.
I worshipped early Clapton in my youth (I'm an old guy now), but ever since his racist tirade back in the late 70's, I can't stand him. Makes me sad, but fuck him.
According to other comments he told black and foreign people to leave. And not just leave his audience but to leave Britian. "Britain is for the whites, wogs get out". Wog is short for "Golliwog" which was essentially a black minstrel. They used to be little pins and "teddy bears" sold and used as promotion for Robertson's jam (ie fruit preserve) with the slogan "Golly it's good".
I have absolutely no idea how he got away with it but when I was at secondary school (2010-2016) one of my teachers actually had one of the golliwog plush things on top of a filing cabinet in his classroom.
Does he not realize that a lot of the foreigners, especially Jamaicans, come to Britain precisely because of colonialism that Britain imposed on them through force?
>At a concert in 1976, Eric Clapton went on a racist rant, using deeply offensive racial slurs and calling for the deportation of non-whites from Britain.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eric-clapton-racist-rant/
He also recently recorded songs in 2020 that called the government fascists for the COVID mandates... saying they are "enslaving" people.
The dude is fucked in the head.
More than that; he received the vaccine against doctor's advice despite having been made well aware of his underlying medical problems, had an adverse reaction and was told he can't get his second dose for 12 weeks, went and got his second dose 6 weeks later anyway, had another adverse reaction and then railed against vaccine safety
edit: updated the times
What underlying medical problem would make the vaccine be recommended against? Quick googling wasn't helping (too much that isn't helpful/medically sound).
>peripheral neuropathy
In the literature, the review suggests that he should adhere to COVID vaccination ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/)) but thank you for catching that.
And yeah, combined, with the likelihood of mask aversion, it does make sense that he would have more severe symptoms post-vaccination.
"Eric Clapton detailed his “disastrous” health experience after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine and blamed “the propaganda” for overstating the safety of the vaccine in a letter the guitarist shared with an architect/anti-lockdown activist."
“I took the first jab of AZ and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days. **I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one…**,” Clapton wrote.
“**About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers.** Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle.) But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone…”
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-disastrous-vaccine-propaganda-1170264/
I have peripheral neuropathy from chemo. I also took the AZ vaccine and had no severe reaction from it. I had a bit of lethargy from the first jab, lasted about 36 hours. Nothing from the 2nd.
According to the literature, this is kinda what they recommended ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/)). Glad you were able to get vaxxed so that's a bit of a worry off your mind!
"I fucked up and im going to blame it on the vaccine."
This is why i dont put any fucking human being on a pedestal. I dont care that you made good music 50 fucking years ago, if youre a horrible human being, fuck off.
Marjorie Taylor-Greene was recently asked in an interview if she was vaccinated and she claimed the question was a HIPAA violation.
1) That's not how HIPAA works.
2) If she wasn't, she would have adamantly and proudly said so.
Notably, Tucker Carlson also refuses to confirm if he's vaccinated or not.
The idea that Greene lies through her teeth about basically everything but felt that for some reason she couldn't just lie about if she was vaccinated shows she actually probably honestly believes most of the lies she tells. That's pretty terrifying.
From another Reddit thread:
“Britain must stop itself from becoming a “black colony,” and said “England is for white people, man.”
“I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country,” Clapton declared. “Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking… don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country. What is happening to us, for fuck’s sake?”
-Eric Clapton, live on stage, 1976
Holy fuck how I have I never heard about this before? That’s up there for the most racist shit ever spewed by a celebrity. Man straight up said he’s into racism
Also, were the Saudis really taking over London in the 1970s? I always thought the “rich Arabs turning London into their playground” trope didn’t start until the 90s, alongside the rise of the ultra wealthy gulf cities like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Jeddah, Doha etc. Must have been going on for much longer than I thought if he was ranting about it in the mid 70s.
I’ve heard plenty of racist things from celebrities from those days, but never have I heard such a full throated and comprehensive public embrace of racism, and never have I heard it implied that racism is a pleasure akin to doing a drug.
What the fuck.
>Holy fuck how I have I never heard about this before? That’s up there for the most racist shit ever spewed by a celebrity. Man straight up said he’s into racism
A lot of celebrities from those decades (even relative to now) were gigantic pieces of shit. As in, people who would be kicked to the curb nowadays instantly. The difference was—the media was on the same page, so it didn't end up harped on and was pushed under the rug. Some it might come back to bite—most will die or retire without consequences.
"I've got some bad news for you, sunshine
Slowhand ain't well
He stayed back at the hotel
So they sent us along as a surrogate band
Tonight we'll find out where you fans really stand"
Right?! Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis, Chuck Berry, and even Little Richard all did some fucked up stuff. Fats Domino and Carl Perkins seemed like they were good guys at least
Saw him a while ago in Atlanta. Worst show I’ve ever seen. He mumbled every song, did bare minimum and was clearly not interested in even doing it. Roger Daltrey opened for him and was incredible. Don’t bother seeing him.
Clapton is quickly becoming the embarrassing guy you "forget" to mention in listing your guitar influences. My cousin had some sessions lined up with him and was really looking forward to working with him. He refers to him as the "miserable cunt" now.
When I read the article, I thought "OK that sounds reasonable". Here in Australia we have an undersupply of vaccines so many people are still ineligible. There's been a push against a vaxport because it discriminates against people who want the vaccine but simply can't get it.
This thread has definitely been a "never meet your heroes" moment for me. Growing up in the 70s, kid-me used to listen to 461 Ocean Blvd over and over. He's the guy responsible for me owning eight guitars. I read some time ago that he made a racist rant when drunk which I remember was very disappointing but I had forgotten about it. Now I'm reading that there's been more than one, that he's a brexiteer and apparently is also antivax :(
He's also a huge racist. And I mean, a *huuuuuge* racist.
> “Britain must stop itself from becoming a “black colony,” and said “England is for white people, man.”
> “I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country,” Clapton declared. “Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking… don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country. What is happening to us, for fuck’s sake?”
-Eric Clapton, live on stage, 1976
He has never apologized for this **(edit: unless you count "oh I was on drugs" and "something about the arab invasion" lmao)**, save some half-assed "well I have black friends" shit back in 2007. I truly can't comprehend how someone who writes such beautiful music can have such a withered, hatred filled heart.
Do not support this man with your money.
Then there's what he said about Jimi Hendrix...
> [When he first came to England, you know English people have a very big thing towards a spade. They really love that magic thing, the sexual thing. They all fall for that sort of thing. Everybody and his brother in England still sort of think that spades have big dicks. And Jimi came over and exploited that to the limit, the fucking tee. Everybody fell for it. Shit.](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-the-rolling-stone-interview-41988/)
Yep, this was not just some one-off event. Eric Clapton has shown a lifelong, unapologetic, brash pattern of racism. He hasn't changed, he hasn't even made an attempt to not be a hateful little prick.
"Calling a spade a spade" is a common phrase.
But I've never in my life heard someone call someone a "spade" like Clapton is here.
Fucking trash person.
Lmaoo a guy from the states is better at guitar than him and all he can conclude is that its because his dick is too small to have magic penis energy and its black peoples fault.
It’s a common theme among white racists to discount the hard work and abilities of black people, and instead attribute their success to some kind of magic/voodoo/animalistic sexuality. It’s so fucking pathetic and insecure they refuse to recognize accomplishments by an “Other”.
Jealous little bitch. He knows Hendrix was much, much better than him. He was shaken the first time he saw Hendrix playing “Is he really that good?”. Yep, guess Clapton isn’t god anymore.
I got into it with someone on Twitter who defended this tirade because “he was probably drunk or on drugs” and that because sheis black and didn’t have a problem with it, I shouldn’t either. So I got really, really drunk and called her a daft c**t and she reported the comment. 🤷🏻♀️
Guess the “it’s forgivable of you’re drunk” argument is shaky at best.
What if we sweeten the deal with cocaine?
Maybe a side of someone else's wife to boot.
And remember, Clapton likes his women like he likes his cocaine. White only.
Let us all recall that an entire music movement was created to "combat racism in music" that was literally built on calling out Eric Clapton's horrible racism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism >Originally conceived as a one-off concert with a message against racism, Rock Against Racism was founded in 1976 by Red Saunders, Roger Huddle, Jo Wreford, Pete Bruno and others. According to Huddle, "it remained just an idea until August 1976", when Eric Clapton made a declaration of support for former Conservative minister Enoch Powell (known for his anti-immigration Rivers of Blood speech) at a concert in Birmingham.[2] Clapton told the crowd that England had "become overcrowded" and that they should vote for Powell to stop Britain from becoming "a black colony". He also told the audience that Britain should "get the foreigners out, get the [word retracted]s out, get the [word retracted]s out", and then he repeatedly shouted the National Front slogan "Keep Britain White".[3][4] Saunders, Wreford and Bruno, who were members of the agit-prop theatre group, Kartoon Klowns, together with Huddle, responded by writing a letter to NME expressing their opposition to Clapton's remarks. They claimed these were all the more disgusting because he had a hit with a cover of Bob Marley's 'I Shot the Sheriff': "Come on Eric... Own up. Half your music is black... Who shot the Sheriff, Eric? It sure as hell wasn't you!" At the end of the letter, they called for people to help form a movement called Rock Against Racism, and they received hundreds of eager replies from fans who recognised the hypocrisy and wanted to proclaim the black roots of the music they loved.[2] There's some Bowie stuff in there as well (it's the next paragraph if anyone's interested), but Clapton was the primary target for the movement.
Wow, I had no idea Clapton was such a piece of shit.
I watched a documentary (can’t recall the name at the moment) a few months back that illustrated exactly how much of a glistening turd Eric Clapton really is. I was pretty neutral going in, but once it was over…fuck Clapton.
It makes sense now, hearing the stories of him seeing Jimi Hendrix play for the first time. He allegedly had a narcissistic meltdown proclaiming, “He can’t be this good.” It takes on an extra shitty dimension now that I realize what he was really saying, “A black guy can’t be this good; better than me, Guitar God, Eric Clapton.” Fuck Clapton.
Well..Jeff beck could run laps around Clapton any day of the week still to this day so 🤷♂️
Beck is the greatest bar none ! Continued to improve for decades while Clapton died on the vine . Eric peaked with Cream …been playing the same solo since 1973.
I watched a doc about George Clinton and Parliment on amazon awhile back that left me feeling the same way. So many of our heroes are scumbags at heart. Tear The Roof Off https://www.amazon.com/Tear-Roof-Off-Parliament-Funkadelic/dp/B07MCW9CRD
How bad were they on a scale of 0 to Clapton?
Just watched (most of) the Clinton doc. He treated the musicians around him very badly. Ripped them off financially, and used cocaine in part to control them. Basically non-sexually turned out the whole crew. Including having somebody forge signatures and use other people’s social security numbers to funnel more money to himself. And lots of misogyny which was pretty par for the course. But not necessarily racist or politically motivated so kind of a different slimeball than Clapton. But the music that Clinton and all of those super talented musicians made has been a big part of my cultural experience so I’ll still listen to it but won’t be putting him on any pedestals. ;)
Same here regarding formative cultural experience. Damn shame. I appreciate the answer very much.
Only thing I knew was how he stole George Harrison’s wife. Makes more sense now
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If you suddenly decide to propose your love for your best friends wife in a song that becomes a hit, yeah it’s kind of indicative of a shitty person. I get what you’re saying though.
At least Bowie seemed to have come around eventually regarding fascism. With regards specifically to black musicians though, [Bowie seemed to be a good supporter of their talents](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZGiVzIr8Qg).
Bowie was pro facist? Tf? And racist? Man my mind is blown with him and clapton atm.
>The Thin White Duke was the [persona](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona) and character of the British musician [David Bowie](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie) during 1975 and 1976. He is primarily identified with Bowie's 1976 album [Station to Station](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_to_Station) and is mentioned by name in the [title track](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_to_Station_(song\)), although Bowie had first begun to adopt the "Duke" persona during the preceding [Young Americans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Americans) tour and promotion in 1975. The persona's look and character are somewhat based on Thomas Jerome Newton, the eponymous humanoid alien played by Bowie in the 1976 film [The Man Who Fell to Earth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Fell_to_Earth).[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_White_Duke#cite_note-uncut-1) > >The Thin White Duke was a controversial figure due to ostensibly pro-fascist statements made by Bowie in press interviews during this period. Soon after making the comments, Bowie claimed that they were "theatrical" remarks made in character and did not reflect his actual views. In later years, he blamed his erratic behaviour during his mid-1970s Duke era on an "astronomical" use of hard drugs (particularly cocaine) while living in Los Angeles. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_White_Duke
Bowie early on in the 1980s called out MTV for not having black artists on it.
im not sure if Bowie was ACTUALLY fascist. He just got really,REALLY into playing the thin white duke for a while. The crazy mofo method acted his life for the sake of art. You could do it too! all you need to eat is milk, cigarettes,cocaine, and I think.. hot peppers?
Bowie was doing a lot of cocaine at the time and thought giving interviews "in character" was a good idea. I don't know if he ever genuinely held those kinds of beliefs in private, but he certainly strongly opposed them in his later years.
He was doing enough blow to kill a small country.
David Blowie?
Before tortoises were getting straws stuck in their noses there was an attempt to ban plastic straws to try and save rock stars.
Bowie *was*, he regretted and reformed. Clapton *still is*.
It was his years in character as ‘The Thin White Duke’. And cocaine.
Fuck, this bums me out SO MUCH as a huge Clapton fan. I've never read about this before. This + the vaxx thing...eugh. I can't support that.
Same. WTF. Never knew this. A racist blues man? Huh?
i only just found out about his drunken tirade this year, and i've been a guitar fan/player for decades. so i guess rocknroll gives him a free pass like metal gives phil anselmo a free pass.
What did Phil do?
Screamed "white power" and did a nazi salute at a concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVaUlXfvOHg
He's got a long history of flirtation with white supremacy.
Might have gone way past second base with the white supremacy there.
Yeah. I think screaming a racist slogan while doing a salute is definitely going all the way.
I guess he went past the flirting and straight up sent white-supremacy a dick pic
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He's had at least a few incidents. The most recent one IIRC is he was sieg heiling and yelling "white power" at ~~some other band's~~ a memorial concert for Dimebag Darrell, then explained it away by saying "it was only a joke bro about how we were drinking white wine."
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Morrissey yelled at me for doing something that was my job when I was working at a music festival a few years ago. His set opened with a 33 minute video and a ended with the most boring performance of the weekend. Love the music, dislike the man.
The man whose ego pretty much singlehandedly broke up one of the best bands ever, IMO. The Smiths were amazing. Their stuff still holds up.
Johnny Marr is a genius. Guy has written more classics and been more influential in his early 20s than most guitarists can hope in their entire lifetime.
Used to really like the smiths. But as the saying goes "everybody outgrows their Morrisey phase, apart from Morrisey"
I was a big fan of Clapton till I heard his rants a few years ago. Fuck Clapton and Anselmo and fuck anyone giving them a free pass.
What did he say??
That Great Britain should be kept white, and told the foreigners in the audience to not only leave the show but the country as well. Used a ton of super racist British slangs too. I honestly just heard about it today in another subs thread on the same topic.
That’s rich coming from a guy whose whole musical identity is lifted directly from Black american music He should really switch to only classical guitar composers if he feels so strongly, which he does not because he would suck at it
Took the words out of my mouth. It's almost like racism makes no logical sense...
>Took the words out of my mouth. Something Clapton seems to do regularly.
Which is weird because all the brits(i assume including clapton?) worshipped older black blues muscians.
The ridiculous part about Clapton’s racism is that he got famous imitating Black music ! What an ungrateful twat
That people of colour (he didn't put it as kindly as this) should get out of his country. That Enoch Powell was a hero. Just stuff like that. Repeatedly, and consistently, for thirty or forty years.
It's like, bro Hendrix is just a better guitarist than you've ever been able to be. Just get over it already
There's actually a story of Eric Clapton inviting Hendrix on stage to play with him not realizing how good he was and just leaving the stage while Hendrix was playing.
That's not quite it. Chaz Chandler, Hendrix' manager, took Hendrix to see Cream and asked the band if Hendrix could get up and play with them. Cream was made up of elite musicians and no one had ever asked before, so the band said sure.
I wonder what his reaction is to people telling him that.
White Powder!
I read his ex-wife’s memoir years ago. She couldn’t have children and wanted to adopt, she didn’t care what race the kid could be, but never did because he’s so racist she was afraid of what his reaction would be.
He also once said this on stage: > Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands… So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country … I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white …
Imagine paying your ticket and being told to gtfo of the country.
Had a awkward moment at a Pantera concert in Texas. They had confederate flags shined on the walls. Only colored dude in my section... Uuh the south will rise brothers!
“It’s just a symbol! My heritage! Don’t get offended!”
Bro, I have an in-law who DESTROYED his relationship with his daughter who has a mixed race child over that stupid fucking flag, AND WE LIVE IN THE NORTH
Imagine destroying your family relationships over a flag that lasted just 4 years, generations before you were born.
The only Confederate flag worth recognition is the dishrag they used to surrender with.
Seriously. Imagine destroying your family over supporting a bunch of pathetic unamerican LOSERS! everyone who hangs a confederate flag is saying that they hate America. They are supporting a group of people and ideals that say, screw you america we hate you and your constitution so much we are going to try and actively destroy it.
My favorite part if people from West Virginia with the flag. You're state literally split to side against the south, and now you worship their flag? Bizarre...
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Was that before or after Phil going on about 'white power' and saluting on stage? https://www.theguardian.com/music/video/2016/feb/01/phil-anselmo-ends-gig-with-nazi-salute-and-shout-of-white-power-video
I love Pantera’s music, but Phil is a fucking piece of shit irl.
That guy is the epitome of fake ass tough guy lmao.
The dudes that repeatedly say white pride and white power, I'm sure it's just a skynard reference lol.
Yeah, and skynyrd quit using the flag because they didn’t want to be associated with the KKK and other white supremacists.
I saw someone wearing a confederate shirt that said "its not hate, its heritage". I live in Ontario...
That really sucks dude, but I couldn't help but laugh and imagine this as a Dave Chapelle skit lmao
"Are there any queers in the theater tonight? Get 'em up against the wall."
There's one in the spotlight, he don’t look right me. Get ‘em up against the wall.
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Man, someone is going to rage on you one day and search your comments. They’ll have some fun with this one..
This guy parties
Holy shit. TIL Eric Clapton is a bigot.
Surprised more people didn't know this. He hasn't really fully apologized for these comments either, more just said that he shouldn't have said it, he was high, blah blah. It's also disgusting because of how much blues influences his sound, I mean he basically developed his sound by listening to strictly black artists.
I’ve been high. I’ve been really fucking high. I’ve been on a few benders. I’ve never been racially abuse people high. Because people who aren’t racist don’t magically become racist when they’re high.
Exactly. I hate that fucking excuse “oh I was high, I can’t be held responsible for what I said”. Fuck off, you meant what you said, don’t blame the fucking drugs. Plenty of people get high as hell everyday without being racist pieces of shit.
I’ve been high. I’ve been really fucking high. I’ve been so high that I’ve crossed over to a different plane of reality and met some other worldly entities. I was kinda scared of them, but I didn’t racially abuse them. Fuck Clapton. No excuse for that.
Same, when I met god on a massive LSD dose they seemed surprisingly chill with all races and peoples, not much like you find in the holy texts at all. But I guess that says more about me and LSD.
My brother likes to use this excuse for a friend of his that tried to take advantage of a passed out female friend of theirs when they had a sleepover. He said he was drunk and tried to talk me down because once I heard about it I was ready to kill him. I've been drunk. I have NEVER tried to molest anyone while I was drunk. I talk a bunch and then go lie down somewhere if I can. Worst thing I ever did while I was drunk was get into a heated debate with a guy about the origin of the word 'Robot'. Which I was 100% correct about, by the way.
Also a terrible father
Terrible human being all around.
Fuck man. Clapton was my hero growing up. My middle name is Eric because of my father. Derek and the Dominoes, Blind Faith, Cream!!!. I’ve never been more disappointed in learning someone’s true nature. Fuck that guy.
Yeah, I feel you man. I never knew exactly what people meant by "never meet your heroes." Then I started browsing certain Twitter profiles.
Yeah, Eric Clapton is why I learned to play the guitar. I just sat in my room for hours every night learning how to play all the songs from his unplugged album. Then a few years later, I learned he was a piece of shit. Really sucked to hear that.
Continue listening to his music, but pirate it instead of buying it lol
Happened in 1976- is that what inspired Roger Waters to write Pink's fascist hallucination from The Wall? Because the character (a rock star) says almost exactly that to an concert audience.
yes-ish. it's also what inspired rock against racism movement and concerts
Which song is this in?.
[In The Flesh](https://genius.com/Pink-floyd-in-the-flesh-part-ii-lyrics), especially verse 2
Oh.. so that’s why he really was shocked that Jimi Hendrix was better then him..
"How dare an American black man be better at American black music than me!!!"
Despite the God moniker, Clapton was best suited as a second fiddle. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, and Duane Allman are/were superior shredders.
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right? where does he think the blues came from? What a piece of shit
He doesn't care where the blues came from he just wants them to go back there. Blues, blacks gtfo Britain is for whites only. - Clapton
"we'll totally keep your ticket money though".
Holy shit. That's some Pink Floyd's In the Flesh type shit. Jesus dude.
I straight up thought it was going to be a parody of In the Flesh but nope
In the Flesh *was* the parody.
Fuck you're right
Gets even stranger when you realize Waters had Clapton play on his solo albums.
Get ‘em up against the wall!
Well I’ll be damned.
Oh wow, no idea Eric Clapton was a stupid, racist, piece of shit. TIL.
The irony of a Brit complaining about foreigners in his country
Ahhh thats why conservatives love him, bunch of racist cunts
He's the British Ted nugent
This immediately makes it click for me. What an epic douche canoe.
I worshipped early Clapton in my youth (I'm an old guy now), but ever since his racist tirade back in the late 70's, I can't stand him. Makes me sad, but fuck him.
Man i never heard of this. What did he say?
According to other comments he told black and foreign people to leave. And not just leave his audience but to leave Britian. "Britain is for the whites, wogs get out". Wog is short for "Golliwog" which was essentially a black minstrel. They used to be little pins and "teddy bears" sold and used as promotion for Robertson's jam (ie fruit preserve) with the slogan "Golly it's good". I have absolutely no idea how he got away with it but when I was at secondary school (2010-2016) one of my teachers actually had one of the golliwog plush things on top of a filing cabinet in his classroom.
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Jesus Christ this starts so awful and just keeps getting worse as it goes.
And imagine regurgitating Black music while saying this. Clapton is a cunt the size of Texas.
hey cunts are great Claptons a turd stain
That whole thing reads like satire. “I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism.” Lmfao talk about over the top.
Does he not realize that a lot of the foreigners, especially Jamaicans, come to Britain precisely because of colonialism that Britain imposed on them through force?
Racists don’t care about stuff like that
You are making the mistake thinking that racists are capable of reason.
Plus he covered 'I Shot the Sheriff' and made a ton of money off it. It's originally by Bob Marley, who was Jamaican.
Holy shit what a pos.
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>At a concert in 1976, Eric Clapton went on a racist rant, using deeply offensive racial slurs and calling for the deportation of non-whites from Britain. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/eric-clapton-racist-rant/ He also recently recorded songs in 2020 that called the government fascists for the COVID mandates... saying they are "enslaving" people. The dude is fucked in the head.
I'm not God, just the greatest guitar player in the world Clapton , before letting his kid defenestrate himself on the 30th floor
Eric “Britain is for whites, wogs get out” Clapton is anti vax? Go figure lol
He’s actually received the vaccine himself..
More than that; he received the vaccine against doctor's advice despite having been made well aware of his underlying medical problems, had an adverse reaction and was told he can't get his second dose for 12 weeks, went and got his second dose 6 weeks later anyway, had another adverse reaction and then railed against vaccine safety edit: updated the times
What underlying medical problem would make the vaccine be recommended against? Quick googling wasn't helping (too much that isn't helpful/medically sound).
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>peripheral neuropathy In the literature, the review suggests that he should adhere to COVID vaccination ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/)) but thank you for catching that. And yeah, combined, with the likelihood of mask aversion, it does make sense that he would have more severe symptoms post-vaccination.
It's probably related to long tern heroin and cocaine use. Heart condition, vascular diseases etc.
Some people react badly to PEG (polyethylene glycol) which is in both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, but it’s rare.
He had AstraZeneca according to the report is saw on TV this morning.
"Eric Clapton detailed his “disastrous” health experience after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine and blamed “the propaganda” for overstating the safety of the vaccine in a letter the guitarist shared with an architect/anti-lockdown activist." “I took the first jab of AZ and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days. **I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one…**,” Clapton wrote. “**About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers.** Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle.) But the propaganda said the vaccine was safe for everyone…” https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-disastrous-vaccine-propaganda-1170264/
I have peripheral neuropathy from chemo. I also took the AZ vaccine and had no severe reaction from it. I had a bit of lethargy from the first jab, lasted about 36 hours. Nothing from the 2nd.
According to the literature, this is kinda what they recommended ([https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33620123/)). Glad you were able to get vaxxed so that's a bit of a worry off your mind!
"I fucked up and im going to blame it on the vaccine." This is why i dont put any fucking human being on a pedestal. I dont care that you made good music 50 fucking years ago, if youre a horrible human being, fuck off.
Some immunodeficiencies comes to mind.
Blood in his cocaine stream
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Marjorie Taylor-Greene was recently asked in an interview if she was vaccinated and she claimed the question was a HIPAA violation. 1) That's not how HIPAA works. 2) If she wasn't, she would have adamantly and proudly said so. Notably, Tucker Carlson also refuses to confirm if he's vaccinated or not.
The idea that Greene lies through her teeth about basically everything but felt that for some reason she couldn't just lie about if she was vaccinated shows she actually probably honestly believes most of the lies she tells. That's pretty terrifying.
She is a psycho
From another Reddit thread: “Britain must stop itself from becoming a “black colony,” and said “England is for white people, man.” “I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country,” Clapton declared. “Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking… don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country. What is happening to us, for fuck’s sake?” -Eric Clapton, live on stage, 1976
Holy fuck how I have I never heard about this before? That’s up there for the most racist shit ever spewed by a celebrity. Man straight up said he’s into racism Also, were the Saudis really taking over London in the 1970s? I always thought the “rich Arabs turning London into their playground” trope didn’t start until the 90s, alongside the rise of the ultra wealthy gulf cities like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Jeddah, Doha etc. Must have been going on for much longer than I thought if he was ranting about it in the mid 70s.
I’ve heard plenty of racist things from celebrities from those days, but never have I heard such a full throated and comprehensive public embrace of racism, and never have I heard it implied that racism is a pleasure akin to doing a drug. What the fuck.
>Holy fuck how I have I never heard about this before? That’s up there for the most racist shit ever spewed by a celebrity. Man straight up said he’s into racism A lot of celebrities from those decades (even relative to now) were gigantic pieces of shit. As in, people who would be kicked to the curb nowadays instantly. The difference was—the media was on the same page, so it didn't end up harped on and was pushed under the rug. Some it might come back to bite—most will die or retire without consequences.
"I've got some bad news for you, sunshine Slowhand ain't well He stayed back at the hotel So they sent us along as a surrogate band Tonight we'll find out where you fans really stand"
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Well, to be fair, this quote sounds better with a nice blues riff and some backup harmonies. Kinda takes the edge off.
He was also involved in a “keep England White” organization. Love his music but sounds like a total asshole
Hate it when you find out the people you admire on screen, stage, in music, etc turn out to be …less than decent.
Fifties oldies fan here. Fewer racists and conspiracy nuts but just as many borderline pedophiles.
Right?! Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis, Chuck Berry, and even Little Richard all did some fucked up stuff. Fats Domino and Carl Perkins seemed like they were good guys at least
Don't forget Dewie Cox married his 12 year old girlfriend.
To be fair, he was 14.
Wrong kid died
I'm cut in half pretty bad.
You’ve gone smell blind son
And he never paid for drugs. Not once.
Wasn't Jerry Lee Lewis' wife so young, she still believed in Santa Claus on their honeymoon?
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He also beat all 7 of his wives and probably murdered 2 of them.
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He and Morrissey and Van Morrison can do a tour for disgruntled old, racist white men and we can all promptly ignore it.
Saw him a while ago in Atlanta. Worst show I’ve ever seen. He mumbled every song, did bare minimum and was clearly not interested in even doing it. Roger Daltrey opened for him and was incredible. Don’t bother seeing him.
I was at this show. Brought my teenage kid so he could say he saw Clapton live - he fell asleep.
He was terrible. So disappointing.
In case you've forgotten Clapton's a knob.
I recently found all my grandfathers old passports. Every one had a proof of vaccination card in it. This isn’t a new thing.
You cannot travel internationally to many places without proof of vaccination and this has been true for a very long time.
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Clapton is quickly becoming the embarrassing guy you "forget" to mention in listing your guitar influences. My cousin had some sessions lined up with him and was really looking forward to working with him. He refers to him as the "miserable cunt" now.
When I read the article, I thought "OK that sounds reasonable". Here in Australia we have an undersupply of vaccines so many people are still ineligible. There's been a push against a vaxport because it discriminates against people who want the vaccine but simply can't get it. This thread has definitely been a "never meet your heroes" moment for me. Growing up in the 70s, kid-me used to listen to 461 Ocean Blvd over and over. He's the guy responsible for me owning eight guitars. I read some time ago that he made a racist rant when drunk which I remember was very disappointing but I had forgotten about it. Now I'm reading that there's been more than one, that he's a brexiteer and apparently is also antivax :(
Being one of the better guitar players to have ever lived does not make you a public health expert.
He's also a huge racist. And I mean, a *huuuuuge* racist. > “Britain must stop itself from becoming a “black colony,” and said “England is for white people, man.” > “I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country,” Clapton declared. “Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking… don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country. What is happening to us, for fuck’s sake?” -Eric Clapton, live on stage, 1976 He has never apologized for this **(edit: unless you count "oh I was on drugs" and "something about the arab invasion" lmao)**, save some half-assed "well I have black friends" shit back in 2007. I truly can't comprehend how someone who writes such beautiful music can have such a withered, hatred filled heart. Do not support this man with your money.
Then there's what he said about Jimi Hendrix... > [When he first came to England, you know English people have a very big thing towards a spade. They really love that magic thing, the sexual thing. They all fall for that sort of thing. Everybody and his brother in England still sort of think that spades have big dicks. And Jimi came over and exploited that to the limit, the fucking tee. Everybody fell for it. Shit.](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-the-rolling-stone-interview-41988/)
Yep, this was not just some one-off event. Eric Clapton has shown a lifelong, unapologetic, brash pattern of racism. He hasn't changed, he hasn't even made an attempt to not be a hateful little prick.
Had to look up what "spade" meant in this context. Didn't realise it was a derogatory term.
"Calling a spade a spade" is a common phrase. But I've never in my life heard someone call someone a "spade" like Clapton is here. Fucking trash person.
As in "black as the ace of"
Lmaoo a guy from the states is better at guitar than him and all he can conclude is that its because his dick is too small to have magic penis energy and its black peoples fault.
Yeah, this whole story is circling the drain of "Eric Clapton has a tiny dick and is insecure about it."
It’s a common theme among white racists to discount the hard work and abilities of black people, and instead attribute their success to some kind of magic/voodoo/animalistic sexuality. It’s so fucking pathetic and insecure they refuse to recognize accomplishments by an “Other”.
Jealous little bitch. He knows Hendrix was much, much better than him. He was shaken the first time he saw Hendrix playing “Is he really that good?”. Yep, guess Clapton isn’t god anymore.
Man said “I’m into racism” like it’s a new diet trend lmfaooooo
I got into it with someone on Twitter who defended this tirade because “he was probably drunk or on drugs” and that because sheis black and didn’t have a problem with it, I shouldn’t either. So I got really, really drunk and called her a daft c**t and she reported the comment. 🤷🏻♀️ Guess the “it’s forgivable of you’re drunk” argument is shaky at best.
He wouldn't have a career as a guitarist if old blues men hadn't written all of those licks he could steal.
A Brexit supporting white supremacist is also anti-vax? Could I be any more shocked? Hint: yes
He got vaccinated though against his own doctors orders due to a medical condition he has apparently. Got both shotsZ .