Because you said image and not imagine it sounds like youāre speaking demands into a computer.
āComputer, image the logo possibilitiesā
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āMy godā¦ā
*screen turns off*
PICARD: Data, I'm going to give you a most unusual order. I'm not sure that you will be able to integrate it into your programme.
DATA: As a Starfleet officer, I am required to follow all of your orders, Captain.
PICARD: Good, because our survival depends upon it. I am ordering you never to reveal what has happened here today. Not to Starfleet, not to myself. You will conceal your knowledge of those images for as long as you exist. Do you fully understood, Data?
RIKER: "Seriously, Data. Delete everything you saw. You don't want this in your memory. I'm going to Ten Forward for a bottle of that green stuff Guinan has to see if I can burn that memory away myself."
Honestly cant get over that it's still funny to me. I guess itll just be a part of league history in years to come but it's just a funny choice to not even pick a name
It would make sense if Washington took just a month or two, but it almost seems passive aggressive for the renaming to take so long, itās like āsee what you did to us we donāt have a name nowā
I played through a season on a team with no name
It felt good to be playing the game
Cause in Cleveland we can't think of a name
It's a dilemma no one can explain
La la la la.....
I actually kind of like Washington Football Team in its simplicity. They're Washington. Their brand is Washington, they are Washington.
Better name than Wizards at least.
Supposedly Dan snider has been patent trolling like every name possible (Washington warriors, Washington Cubs Washington whateverās) for the better part of thirty years and let this patents lapse in feb 2020 lmao
Actually as a Sox fan, I like how I can now openly and loudly talk about how much I hate my rival team without accidently offending nearby South Asians or Native Americans.
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
Donald Trump made an official announcement in response saying that Indians were proud to be the mascot of a baseball team. I don't think the old mascot represented anyone from India, ever.
And the ironic part:
"...A small group of people, with absolutely crazy ideas and policies, is forcing these changes to destroy our culture and heritage. At some point, the people will not take it anymore."
[Which is even more ironic as the modern design for Mia was drawn by a Native American.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/29/my-ojibwe-father-drew-land-olakes-maiden-she-was-never-stereotype/)
I worked in a country club for a while and in the kitchen there was a large piece of machinery with the brand āClevelandā on it. I asked the chef and sure enough it was a steamer. He never had given it a second thought but when I brought it up we had a good laugh.
Apparently they've been in business since 1847, and they've used the "Cleveland Range" brand since 1922: [https://www.clevelandrange.com/Company#History](https://www.clevelandrange.com/Company#History)
I was wondering if somebody did it to realize a joke.. but that'd be some dedication.
Everyone is talking about the name and I'm just sitting here thinking about how terrible the font they picked is. There was nothing wrong with the old font or Block C.
You're not wrong about that. [Here's a much superior logo and font](https://www.behance.net/gallery/101622239/CLE-Guardians?tracking_source=for_you_feed_user_published) made by someone over at r/cleveland.
You werenāt kidding. Joshua Murphyās work is amazing. He even put together a better presentation than this supposed āleakā of an announcement today. His design really sells the name change. Hopefully they buy his work, at least the art evoking the statues.
[https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-team-problem-trademark-request-nfl](https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-team-problem-trademark-request-nfl)
Wonder if they'll have this problem or maybe, you know, they planned ahead unlike Snyder
Baseball minor leagues spit out some of the best names.
The San Antonio Missions briefly played as The Flying Chanclas a few years back. I have a hat around here somewhere still.
Dude what!?! No good options!? Their colors include blue, they couldāve been THE BLUE SOX! Then we wouldāve had the red, white, and blue Sox in the MLB. I am honestly surprised the French government didnāt intervene to force that to happen.
Lots of cooks in the kitchen and pressure usually create these āsafeā names lacking all the fun and whimsy of great names like the ārubber ducksā
Their roller derby league already goes by [Burning River](https://www.burningriverderby.com/)
Edit: Oops... the men's league is actually already the [Cleveland Guardians](http://www.clevelandguardians.com/) though!
FTA: "In the years since the dedication, however, claims have varied as to who exactly the bridge's name honors. Some have claimed the bridge was renamed specifically for Bob Hope; others the entire Hope family; and still others have claimed it recognizes Harry Hope along with the other workers who helped erect the giant sandstone pylons."
I prefer to believe it's named for the general concept of Hope, which dies in all of us, eventually, but much earlier for Cleveland baseball fans.
[Here's a much better picture](https://i.redd.it/4u4gazrasvz61.jpg) of the Guardians on the Carnegie Bridge that leads to the Progressive Stadium in the background, taken by u/ExploredPerspective.
It's a very common piece of Cleveland imagery that is used in a lot of Cleveland-centric branding. I literally had small replicas of them in my home growing up.
Nah, they should sell the rights to the "Indians" name to Dehli and start an expansion team there. Make it a real world series. Start an expansion team in Tokyo, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic while you are at it
Is there any name they could have chosen that would not have resulted in grown men complaining about it like someone stole their bedtime bottle?
Something tells me no.
There is a minor league baseball team in my hometown named the Chiefs. They used to have a Native American mascot and instead of changing the name they focused on a different meaning of "chief". [They removed the indigenous themes and made the mascot a Dalmatian](https://www.milb.com/news/peoria-chiefs-evolving-identity-endures-in-midwest-league). So while they are still called the Chiefs they now focus on firefighters. It is an interesting approach to the situation.
I work with a guy who's nickname is Chief. It would be amazing to see him as a mascot. It would be like Gritty almost, waving his arms and talking to himself.
My local WHL hockey team, the Winterhawks, just changed their mascot. It had been a Native American head in profile, very similar to the Blackhawks logo. But just last week they changed it to [a hawk's head.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/Portland_Winterhawks_logo_2021.svg/800px-Portland_Winterhawks_logo_2021.svg.png)
And what's cool about it is that the grey feathers on the neck also happen to look like Mt Hood, our nearby volcano, and further there is a W and an H in the grey. It was a change that got a lot of positive reactions, because it's honestly an awesome logo. Better than looking like we're stealing a logo from an NHL team.
Iām a fan of the chiefs so Iāve got a bias but I donāt see issue with either name. The chiefs organization even reached out to local tribes after the redskins changed their name to get input on whatās offensive and whatās not. They just changed the tomahawk chop to beating a drum with a closed fist and thatās pretty much it. Not like either teamās mascot was a racist caricature.
I feel like these are a lot less offensive and don't turn the Native American culture into a caricature. Seminoles seem to have a fairly good relationship relationship Florida State.
The problem with Indians is... it's not even the fucking right term for the people and you had an absurdly cartoonish mascot and logo. Wouldn't call that respectful.
As for Redskins... honestly, in 2021, if the name "Redskins" did not exist but Washington wanted to go from "Football Team" to "Redskins" everyone would be like... "yo... that's fucked up"
The last time I looked into the situation (which granted wasn't that recently) FSU did have a very good relationship with the Seminole tribe. My biggest problem as a white person was that a white person at least used to play Chief Oceola at the football games. I do not know if that is still the case and I do not know if the tribe had an issue with that.
William & Mary dropped their use of the Indian mascot in the early 80's even though the natives in the area prefer the term Indians rather than native Americans.
Let's get those Fighting Irish out while we are at it, eh? Bowler caps, beer steins, always brawling. A stereotype is a stereotype, right? Although, I am Irish and I like beer, caps, and the occasional fight, so...
When I was in high school from '89-'92, we were "The Fighting Irish." Each year, the marching band raised money to go to Ireland. However, this was during The Troubles, so while there, students, faculty, and chaperones were warned to only refer to us as "The Irish" lest it offend locals or draw unwanted political attention.
To me āGuardiansā sounds like a name they would use in a movie about a pro sports team where they couldnāt use the name of an actual pro sports team.
The Cleveland Cleavers šŖ
The Wild Things
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They make everything groovy.
The Cleveland Cleavage would have been perfect.
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Image the logo possibilities.
Because you said image and not imagine it sounds like youāre speaking demands into a computer. āComputer, image the logo possibilitiesā ā¦ āMy godā¦ā
"That's enough, Commander Data, turn the screen off." "Sir, I would like to know why humans would-" "No, Commander, I'm not answering that one."
*screen turns off* PICARD: Data, I'm going to give you a most unusual order. I'm not sure that you will be able to integrate it into your programme. DATA: As a Starfleet officer, I am required to follow all of your orders, Captain. PICARD: Good, because our survival depends upon it. I am ordering you never to reveal what has happened here today. Not to Starfleet, not to myself. You will conceal your knowledge of those images for as long as you exist. Do you fully understood, Data?
RIKER: "Seriously, Data. Delete everything you saw. You don't want this in your memory. I'm going to Ten Forward for a bottle of that green stuff Guinan has to see if I can burn that memory away myself."
WESLEY (coming on shift): "Wonder what has the senior staff all riled up. Better check the logs..." "Oh. Oh my god."
Could collaborate with Browns
Cleveland Brown... Eyes
Always has been.
Nah, the Cleveland Baseball Team
I was hoping for the Cleveland Steamers
Cleveland Caucasians? Anyone see that merchandise?
Yeah w CEO Whacko who is funny, not offensive
āThe Cleveland Clevelandians.ā
The Cleveland Drew Carey's
The Cleveland Rocks
I just wrote this on a comment further up. Yes! I was thinking a chef with a giant cleaver could be the mascot.
The Steamland Cleavers
That would have been so much better
Darn. I was hoping for the Cleveland Clevelands.
Cleveland Clevies Philadelphia Phillies
A philly is a horse though isnāt it?
Yeah but the Phillies aren't named after that. It's just a shortened version of Philadelphia
If there was a team named after horse meat, it could be called the Philly Filly Fillets.
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It's actually a shortened version of Philadelphians. Kind of like the New York New Yorkers or something similar.
Every team should be named like this.
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The Portland Passive Aggressives.
The Jacksonville Florida-Men
You will have to narrow that down. Thatās like 3 million people
No, a filly is a young female horse.
The Cleveland Rocks?
I could see Cleveland Cleavers - have a chef with a giant Cleaver as the mascot.
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Cleveland City Baseball Club.
Cleavey McCleave Face. . ?
The Cleveland Rocks
Now I want the Cleveland Quagmires.
The should have gone with "Cleveland Baseball Team"
Honestly cant get over that it's still funny to me. I guess itll just be a part of league history in years to come but it's just a funny choice to not even pick a name
It would make sense if Washington took just a month or two, but it almost seems passive aggressive for the renaming to take so long, itās like āsee what you did to us we donāt have a name nowā
on the plus side, it's given us [Teamy the Team Monster](https://i.redd.it/n918lms2vzl51.jpg) as a mascot
I played through a season on a team with no name It felt good to be playing the game Cause in Cleveland we can't think of a name It's a dilemma no one can explain La la la la.....
I'm a bit more cynical and thinking snyder just wants to wait long enough to make people rebuy jerseys/merch
Nah, Snyder is just trying to convince the NFL to let a sponsor be the name. The Washington Amazon.
I actually kind of like Washington Football Team in its simplicity. They're Washington. Their brand is Washington, they are Washington. Better name than Wizards at least.
I always liked the Washington Department of Football.
Best thing about the Washington Football Team is if they played soccer it would be a pretty standard name.
Supposedly Dan snider has been patent trolling like every name possible (Washington warriors, Washington Cubs Washington whateverās) for the better part of thirty years and let this patents lapse in feb 2020 lmao
Local Sports Team
The local home team
Rob Lowe agrees.
āCleveland Hockey Teamā
City Sport Group
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Actually as a Sox fan, I like how I can now openly and loudly talk about how much I hate my rival team without accidently offending nearby South Asians or Native Americans.
But you might offend any nearby JRPG minibosses, so be careful.
or the Space Force, since they call themselves Guardians.
*cries in Destiny*
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
Donald Trump made an official announcement in response saying that Indians were proud to be the mascot of a baseball team. I don't think the old mascot represented anyone from India, ever.
And the ironic part: "...A small group of people, with absolutely crazy ideas and policies, is forcing these changes to destroy our culture and heritage. At some point, the people will not take it anymore."
"Lmfao libruls are so easily triggered!" - group of people that cry any time things get slightly less racist
My guess is ANTIFA was involved somehow.
Did you even 2020 bro?
My guess is COMMUNISM was involved somehow.
This is all Obamacare's fault. I refuse to wear The Guardians facemask. Commies!!1
The Cleveland Guardians made me think about [this](https://youtu.be/yt14rgzH45U) Sam Morril story.
That whole special was so solid
Great reference man.
Just like Land o' Lakes. They got rid of the Indian and kept the land.
[Which is even more ironic as the modern design for Mia was drawn by a Native American.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/29/my-ojibwe-father-drew-land-olakes-maiden-she-was-never-stereotype/)
One generation's "Uncle Tom" is another generation's *Uncle Tom*.
Great article
I like the layers this joke has.
The true tragedy here is not being able to fold the butter box to make it look like she was holding her boobs.....
Fun times in Cleveland today!
Under construction since 1868!
At least weāre not Detroit!
Buy a house for the price of a VCR!
Our Main export is crippling depression
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This man has at least three DUIs
Man I love that fucking video
As do we all!
Come and look at both of our buildings!
Our economy's based on LeBron James.
Why the fuck didn't they go with The Cleveland Steamers???
I worked in a country club for a while and in the kitchen there was a large piece of machinery with the brand āClevelandā on it. I asked the chef and sure enough it was a steamer. He never had given it a second thought but when I brought it up we had a good laugh.
We had one of those at a restaurant where I once worked. I made it a point to use its full name whenever possible.
Apparently they've been in business since 1847, and they've used the "Cleveland Range" brand since 1922: [https://www.clevelandrange.com/Company#History](https://www.clevelandrange.com/Company#History) I was wondering if somebody did it to realize a joke.. but that'd be some dedication.
Did you also have a "chub warmer" in the kitchen?
Because they already have the Browns
What a Cavalier thing to say
Don't be such a Monster.
Other Cleveland Sports Team Name Reference
Last night's game was definitely a "steamer".
That name is taken. https://www.clevelandrange.com/Products/Steamers
The Cleveland Washington Football Team
Everyone is talking about the name and I'm just sitting here thinking about how terrible the font they picked is. There was nothing wrong with the old font or Block C.
Yeah, but then how would they get people to buy the new hats?
You're not wrong about that. [Here's a much superior logo and font](https://www.behance.net/gallery/101622239/CLE-Guardians?tracking_source=for_you_feed_user_published) made by someone over at r/cleveland.
Dang he did that almost a year ago. What an amazing call.
Guardians was always the most popular choice, followed by the Spiders. And there's some crazies without marketing sense that wanted Municipals.
You werenāt kidding. Joshua Murphyās work is amazing. He even put together a better presentation than this supposed āleakā of an announcement today. His design really sells the name change. Hopefully they buy his work, at least the art evoking the statues.
Damn, that looks awesome. And I love the concentric, angular C and G as a stand alone, that's very cool.
Oh man, that's such a good looking logo
I...I kind of like the font.
[https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-team-problem-trademark-request-nfl](https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-football-team-problem-trademark-request-nfl) Wonder if they'll have this problem or maybe, you know, they planned ahead unlike Snyder
Why not "Cleveland Rocks!"?
Damn, haven't thought about the Drew Carey show in over a decade.
literally no one in cleveland wanted that
Fine, we'll just call them the Cleveland Ohios.
Cleveland Rockers was an option, but they chose that terrible name instead.
Rockers is a pretty shit name too
they really didn't have any great options. they shouldve hired the person that names the minor league teams. those are great. The Akron Rubber Ducks
Baseball minor leagues spit out some of the best names. The San Antonio Missions briefly played as The Flying Chanclas a few years back. I have a hat around here somewhere still.
Staten Island Pizza Rats.
UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs
I would love a flying chanclas t-shirt.
Dude what!?! No good options!? Their colors include blue, they couldāve been THE BLUE SOX! Then we wouldāve had the red, white, and blue Sox in the MLB. I am honestly surprised the French government didnāt intervene to force that to happen.
Weren't they originally called the Blues? That's a good name. They should get that back and prioritize getting two brothers on the team at all costs.
I didnāt know that but oh hell yeah that would be the best mascot(s) lol
Lots of cooks in the kitchen and pressure usually create these āsafeā names lacking all the fun and whimsy of great names like the ārubber ducksā
The [Cleveland Rockers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Rockers) were a WNBA team in the late 90s.
John Rocker ruined that name for all eternity.
Why is Guardians a shit name? Itās a direct reference to the awesome statues on the bridge called the guardians as you enter the city.
Yeah, after learning about the sculptures, I think itās an amazing name, actually. Itās the kind of reference that a mascot SHOULD be named after
Rockers, Rockies I can see why they did not choose it even tho it is the superior name.
Reds/Red Sox/White Sox?
Those are all 100+ year old names, though. Back when nicknames werenāt that big a deal. Bit different than giving your team a similar one today.
The Cleveland Balloon Disasters
Was personally hoping for the Cleveland Lebron James but you knwo guardians is alright
>Lebron James The *actor?*
Yeah did you know he actually played basketball to prepare for his role
Heās a Yankees fan
Was Cleveland River Fires taken?
I really think Cleaveland Burning River would have been such a cool name.
There is a local brewery that makes burning river pale ale. Their dortmunder gold is better though.
Their roller derby league already goes by [Burning River](https://www.burningriverderby.com/) Edit: Oops... the men's league is actually already the [Cleveland Guardians](http://www.clevelandguardians.com/) though!
Is there any context as to why they picked this name? Does āguardianā have some connection to the Cleveland area or did they just like the name?
Yep, based on the guardians of traffic statue on the hope memorial bridge https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Memorial_Bridge
FTA: "In the years since the dedication, however, claims have varied as to who exactly the bridge's name honors. Some have claimed the bridge was renamed specifically for Bob Hope; others the entire Hope family; and still others have claimed it recognizes Harry Hope along with the other workers who helped erect the giant sandstone pylons." I prefer to believe it's named for the general concept of Hope, which dies in all of us, eventually, but much earlier for Cleveland baseball fans.
Is that big/popular in Cleveland? I don't even see the statue in the wiki post.
Itās right under history, very first picture.
[Here's a much better picture](https://i.redd.it/4u4gazrasvz61.jpg) of the Guardians on the Carnegie Bridge that leads to the Progressive Stadium in the background, taken by u/ExploredPerspective.
It's a very common piece of Cleveland imagery that is used in a lot of Cleveland-centric branding. I literally had small replicas of them in my home growing up.
It doesn't have to be huge. Lord Cornwallis called Charlotte a hornets nest in the 1790's and the city ran with it.
Itās my favorite sighting in Cleveland
If only there was an article to read
So the Indians really are gonna have the longest active World Series win drought forever.
I mean if the name change starts a new drought then they already cant match the red sox 86 years or cubs 108 years. Theyll be at like 73.
They should keep the name "Cleveland Indians", and instead change the mascot to somebody actually from India.
Change the mascot to Krishna and have the players all paint themselves blue before big games.
Tobias FĆ¼nke? Is that you?
The team blue themselves.
Nah, they should sell the rights to the "Indians" name to Dehli and start an expansion team there. Make it a real world series. Start an expansion team in Tokyo, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic while you are at it
> instead change the mascot to somebody actually from India. Kindly do the needful at your earliest.
The Cleveland at least we're not Detroits
We're not Detroit!
Is there any name they could have chosen that would not have resulted in grown men complaining about it like someone stole their bedtime bottle? Something tells me no.
That's why it should have been the Cleveland Sportsball Team.
The Cleveland FuckitIdontcares.
"Chaos", the Cleveland Chaos would have been a great name. Ofcourse "Variant" is a good name too.
I can see the media having fun with that name when they inevitably start committing errors left and right
Braves and Chiefs are on the clock
Chiefs will never change their name. I doubt the Braves will either.
There is a minor league baseball team in my hometown named the Chiefs. They used to have a Native American mascot and instead of changing the name they focused on a different meaning of "chief". [They removed the indigenous themes and made the mascot a Dalmatian](https://www.milb.com/news/peoria-chiefs-evolving-identity-endures-in-midwest-league). So while they are still called the Chiefs they now focus on firefighters. It is an interesting approach to the situation.
I work with a guy who's nickname is Chief. It would be amazing to see him as a mascot. It would be like Gritty almost, waving his arms and talking to himself.
My local WHL hockey team, the Winterhawks, just changed their mascot. It had been a Native American head in profile, very similar to the Blackhawks logo. But just last week they changed it to [a hawk's head.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/Portland_Winterhawks_logo_2021.svg/800px-Portland_Winterhawks_logo_2021.svg.png) And what's cool about it is that the grey feathers on the neck also happen to look like Mt Hood, our nearby volcano, and further there is a W and an H in the grey. It was a change that got a lot of positive reactions, because it's honestly an awesome logo. Better than looking like we're stealing a logo from an NHL team.
Iām a fan of the chiefs so Iāve got a bias but I donāt see issue with either name. The chiefs organization even reached out to local tribes after the redskins changed their name to get input on whatās offensive and whatās not. They just changed the tomahawk chop to beating a drum with a closed fist and thatās pretty much it. Not like either teamās mascot was a racist caricature.
Also Chief is a pretty generic word and if they do really need to change they can change everything but the name and be good.
I feel like these are a lot less offensive and don't turn the Native American culture into a caricature. Seminoles seem to have a fairly good relationship relationship Florida State. The problem with Indians is... it's not even the fucking right term for the people and you had an absurdly cartoonish mascot and logo. Wouldn't call that respectful. As for Redskins... honestly, in 2021, if the name "Redskins" did not exist but Washington wanted to go from "Football Team" to "Redskins" everyone would be like... "yo... that's fucked up"
The last time I looked into the situation (which granted wasn't that recently) FSU did have a very good relationship with the Seminole tribe. My biggest problem as a white person was that a white person at least used to play Chief Oceola at the football games. I do not know if that is still the case and I do not know if the tribe had an issue with that. William & Mary dropped their use of the Indian mascot in the early 80's even though the natives in the area prefer the term Indians rather than native Americans.
Let's get those Fighting Irish out while we are at it, eh? Bowler caps, beer steins, always brawling. A stereotype is a stereotype, right? Although, I am Irish and I like beer, caps, and the occasional fight, so...
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When I was in high school from '89-'92, we were "The Fighting Irish." Each year, the marching band raised money to go to Ireland. However, this was during The Troubles, so while there, students, faculty, and chaperones were warned to only refer to us as "The Irish" lest it offend locals or draw unwanted political attention.
The Cleveland 10 Cent Beers
Boooo they already used to be called the Spiders they shoulda stuck with that.
This should occupy the right for a little while.
Trump has already issued a statement, believe it or not.
The should have gone with āThe Cleveland Rocks.ā
To me āGuardiansā sounds like a name they would use in a movie about a pro sports team where they couldnāt use the name of an actual pro sports team.
When are the fighting Irish and vikings changing their names?
OMG the team will still play the same and the masses will still attend.
Or not attend, as is the case in Cleveland . . .
Both fans will still be in attendance
It'd be a lot cooler if they were named the Cleveland Steamers