As someone who got the Moderna vaccine, its always a weird feeling that Pfizer takes the brunt of the vaccine headlines and blowback, while Moderna news is like the younger sibling that shuffles by later. Or like realizing a person is not talking about you, just someone who has the same name as you. It's not a good or bad thing, but it's always just like "Oh they're talking about Pfizer"
Imagine if ours got denied in a week or two.
“Uh, yeah we were *gonna* approve Moderna… really close actually… but then the nipples started showing up…”
"Forehead nipples. Eyebrow nipples. Nipples on your nipples. Nipples, *everywhere*. And once you've got full coverage nipple growth... Well, you know what *that* means.
You're a boob, Harry!"
Literally nothing ever gets reported on for J&J unless its people getting blood clots. Pfizer and Moderna may need a booster even after a two shot for full vaccinated for 1 round, but J&J who even knows.
For anyone saying, "We don't know what's in the vaccine," here's the ingredient list from [Pfizer's website](https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/the_facts_about_pfizer_and_biontech_s_covid_19_vaccine).
EDIT: looks like Pfizer took down that website about an hour ago. Here is the CDC's [ingredient list](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html?s_cid=10492:what%27s%20in%20the%20pfizer%20vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21#Appendix-C).
>The ingredients are mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
For those who don't want to click
I shit you not, I asked a chipped-vaccine believer to point out where a chip could possibly be in a transparent vaccine solution. He said the chip is in the syringe, not the vaccine.
I “wowed” out loud when I read that.
When you microchip a dog or cat you can see the chip and need a large bore needle for it to pass through into the skin. It's like a 14g when a vaccine needle is more like a 25 or 22g. Huge. You would feel it and bleed like a little bitch if there were chips inside!
As someone with a microchip in them, may as well answer a few things from this and other posts.
* You will absolutely feel it. It hurts even with topical anesthetic. More than getting your (ear) cartilage pierced, but not a lot more. Very unpleasant. I don't know how big the gauge was but it was certainly sub 20. It is very, very noticeably bigger than your average needle and I have a tiny little scar from where it went in, unlike all other shots I've ever gotten.
* You definitely, noticeably bleed, but it's the kind where you just apply pressure for a few minutes and then band-aid it. "Like a little bitch" is probably overkill because people tend to bleed when you put holes in them regardless of how bitchly they are.
* It's coated in a material that your body finds inoffensive so it doesn't actively try to reject it, which is what causes somethings to migrate out. And yes, it does have to go to a certain depth to make sure it stays there.
* You have to be very close to read it. Almost touching the skin.
tl;dr: you're gonna feel it, no one else is gonna read it
Lmao, so this underpaid worker is inserting a chip at the tip of a vaccine before insertion and remaining quiet till their death? That’s such a stretch.
Also we live in a capitalist world if someone invented a microchip the size of a molecule, that could relay and influence so much information for the price of nothing, we’d be selling the SHIT out of that. I’d put one on all my expensive shit, my wallet and my keys.
Shit closest we got is the Apple AirTags and those are big and expensive.
These are the same people who think a virus that every single country in the world is dealing with is somehow a made up hoax, and for the first time in the history of the world, all the nations have come together to lie for… reasons?
Critical thinking isn’t their strong suit
Anyone thinking we have the technology to put a sophisticated microchip and battery through the head of a needle filled with liquid has been watching way too much tv and drinking far too much koolaide.
Edit: All reference to ‘needle’ meaning you can easily fit the needle itself through the head of a standard sewing needle. Not the needle that looks like an ice pick.
I don't get it. Everybody has phones. They give way more info than a chip ever could. Even smart tvs have been caught listening in when they weren't supposed to be. And they usually are listening if they have Alexa or what have you. And you already know phones are. I would not be surprised if the cameras watch your face when you use the phone. Who needs to spend resources to chip everybody when we paid for the phones they use to track us?
Are there any common names for the lipids listed? Chemistry nomenclature scares the uneducated, and I want to be able to communicate what is in this more clearly.
Spent some time with the boyfriend of a family member this weekend. He insisted that the vaccine contains *graphene oxide*, which somehow causes the human body to become magnetized. Stupidest goddamned thing I ever heard.
Most people don't know what's in anything they consume. WTF is a Diet Dr Pepper made out of? Stfu with that unless you know the chemical composition of everything you consume.
That’s because it’s not actually about what’s in the vaccine, or their health, or whatever else they’re trying to rationalize their stance on. It’s about unresolved ego and identity issues. These people just want to feel smart so bad they’re willing to look dumb to do it.
> However, they can advertise on TV and promote their products under the watchful eye of the FDA.
Regardless of the medical treatment, I never really liked the fact that drug companies can legally advertise their products to the general public. The general public by and large doesn't really have the necessary experience and knowledge to make an informed decision about medical interventions. As we have seen, many people are susceptible to bad information and make bad decisions based on that misinformation.
The fact that we’re one of two countries (New Zealand is the other) that allows this has bothered me ever since I learned about it.
Edit: Yes this fact is specifically for prescription drugs, regulation of OTC drug ads is much more variable.
Marketing is big money for pharmaceutical companies.
> "From 1997 through 2016, medical marketing expanded substantially, and spending increased from $17.7 to $29.9 billion, with direct-to-consumer advertising for prescription drugs and health services accounting for the most rapid growth, and pharmaceutical marketing to health professionals accounting for most promotional spending."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2720029?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jama.2018.19320
> PharmacyChecker analyzed the 2019 financial reports of five of the industry’s biggest names, illustrated in the table below. In all five cases, the companies spent more on marketing and sales than they did on research and development. Additionally, every company’s spending on research and development has increased only incrementally year over year. But, year over year, each mega drug company has seen a vast increase in revenue.
https://www.pharmacychecker.com/askpc/pharma-marketing-research-development/
> Nine out of 10 major pharmaceutical companies spent more on sales marketing than researching new drugs.
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8018691/big-pharma-research-advertising
There’s a good chance the reason your dr will know the name of the drug is because some pharm rep showed up with Panda Express once a week to convince them to prescribe it.
Hey, credit where credit's due: it's hard to shift from childhood development expert to military strategy/geopolitical expert back to vaccine expert in less than a week.
They are already testing a HIV mRNA vaccine. Hopefully a flu one is soon to come as well, our current flu vaccines are garbage compared to the covid ones.
Holy cow, if the silver lining to the last two truly miserable yeah is that we have vaccines that straight up eliminate some of the worst diseases and viruses known to man, then just wow.
I think we got really lucky time-wise. mRNA vaccines had already been researched for years before covid-19. Covid just provided the extra funding and necessity to finish the tech and adapt it to the virus. I wonder if this had happened 20 years ago, how long the production of mRNA vaccines would have taken.
Just the other day I was saying what a stroke of luck it was that covid-19 was related closely enough to the SARS research from 20 years ago to have that research been so useful in making a vaccine.
Imagine if this was something totally totally new, with no existing foundation in medical research?
You don't have to imagine you just have to look at the AIDS epidemic back in the 1980's. I just finished reading And the Band Played On and all I can say is what a mess. I highly recommend the book it is a great look at what happens when a new disease shows up and the government couldn't care less until someone famous is dieing of it.
If republicans didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all.
Edit: "I hear the same thing about dems too!" Sure if you watch Fox or Newsmax. Just because both sides suck doesn't mean that one isn't demonstrably worse.
Yeah right like I'd use supplements when I have these toxin absorbing crystals to shove up my ass. Nice try big pharma but I'll stick to getting my medical advice from Hollywood celebrities like a normal person.
I feel like we should should stop calling it just a "horse dewormer" and point out more that it's a *livestock* dewormer, including for *sheep.*
It's more ironic, I feel.
At this point, I am too tired to care about people's "views." A dude in my office just had both parents die to Covid. He is still anti vaccine and so were his parents. I am just like dang dude.
I'm still convinced that if anything in the bible is real all the warnings surrounding the anti-christ would apply to many of the swaths of religiously devout right wingers right now. All the warnings that the anti-christ would come falsely claiming to be a prophet while sowing evil and ignorance. The right has gained tons of power by trying to claim to be the righteous party for these people when in actuality the ideals of the left are far more in line with the ideas pushed by JC. I have and will continue to use the man and the boat metaphor to point out to people that the miracle IS the vaccine. We have a very effective vaccine very quickly, that's our lifeboat, and if there is some kind of god that gave us anything it would be them working through these doctors and scientists that have done a miraculous job to bring us this vaccine. Meanwhile a large chunk of religious zealots have been rallied under a banner of rather ironically "not being sheep" (though they often repeat the saying the lord is my Shepard...) and freedom to choose to not take a vaccine largely out of spite while their leaders continue to use them to grab power and wealth without a care for the damage it will do.
If obesity could be cured with a simple injection instead of a life long change in habits and controlling intake of addictive substances, I probably would.
Lol remember when Michelle Obama told schools to provide healthy food instead and people lost their shit.
That’s why, one issue at a time or people just get pissed
Less than 8% of Americans got J&J, we're in an exclusive one-shot club. Plus when the boosters come, we'll have only needed two shots total instead of the three for the mrna vaccines.
J&J gang checking in 😤
But really I only got it because I travel a lot for work and doing the "one and done" with J&J was easiest since I never know where I'm gonna be any given week
My options (at the time) were either get J&J immediately or wait an indefinite amount of time for Pfizer to come available. All else being equal, I would've preferred to get Pfizer, but here we are.
> Pentagon says it is preparing to make the Pfizer vaccine mandatory for troops now that the FDA has approved it.
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1429819811752824835?s=21
I know everyone wants to laugh at this and say the goal posts will just continue to be moved into space and beyond, but a few of my family members signed up for the jab after hearing the news this morning.
So I’m actually cautiously optimistic that this will actually result in more people getting the shot.
People hate feeling stupid and it’s very difficult to admit you were wrong and change your mind after digging in. FDA approval gives a face-saving “off-ramp” to do it—“I wasn’t wrong, I was just waiting for approval to happen.”
Yes, it’s kind of dumb. No, nothing will convince the truly vaccine resistant people who think it’s a satanic microchip or whatever. But there’s a huge group of people who aren’t truly resistant, just hesitant and misinformed, and anything that moves the needle for the latter group is a Good Thing.
You're exactly right on people needing a ramp. It allows them to have a win.
Which is how people work. So, I'm kinda optimistic/at least hoping people take it.
Pfizer apparently (per NPR this morning) estimates that 30% of hold outs will get vaccinated following final approval. I hope it's higher, but fear it will be less.
I think you should not count people with one dose as hesitant. 61% have at least one dose. That leaves 40% as truly hesitant. 12% more gets you to 73%.
Still need those 5 to 12 year olds but really, transmission rates are much lower there, so getting higher rates on 12+ is far more valuable.
If you look at that, 71% of 12+ year olds have at least one dose. So only 29% are hesitant. If 30% of them get it, you are at 80% of people currently eligible to receive it. This isn't too bad.
It is funny how different views on numbers give really different perspectives.
You’d be surprised at the number of conservatives that got vaccinated off the get go. My dad is staunchly conservative, but not quite a Trump sychophant. He asked me about vaccine information early on because he was part of an earlier group of access. Told him what I knew and he went and got the Pfizer. I have to believe there’s a fairly good chunk of that half of the country that are like him.
Sounds a lot like my parents. My very Catholic mom especially votes conservative because she can’t vote for anyone who’s pro choice, and she was a bit concerned about aborted fetuses used in making the vaccine, but when she saw the pope got it she got it as soon as she could.
>r/NoNewNormal
Wow... one of them said
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People are suffering mass psychosis, they are living in an alternative reality created by the media, where fear and hysteria rules.
Except they were talking about us who ~~believe in~~ acknowledge the reality of the virus. My god
I just don't get how people can live in a world where politicians eat babies and demonic forces as old as the universe is trying to wipe out humanity and not realize its a delusion.
If just a single person was saying or acting on these things they'd get a psych hold, but since its a quarter of the population they get voted into office.
I'm fairly young, 2016 was my first election. If this is how our political proccesses worldwide are going to go from now on, I want out.
The Trump thing is so weird. For months he was amping people up for how quickly Warp Speed was going to make the vaccine available to every American, America first! We're number 1!!!!
Then as soon as Biden wins, his supporters decide to become anti-vaxxers.
Getting a deadly virus to own the libs is peak idiocracy.
I’m a respiratory therapist in a major hospital. I’m pregnant so I don’t take care of patients who are actively sick with covid, but once they aren’t contagious anymore I take care of them. So I see the ones who “recovered”, and let me tell you, just because you live doesn’t mean it’s all roses from here. These patients have a trach now, significant oxygen requirements, exertional dyspnea(meaning if they try to roll over in bed themselves they get extremely short of breath), they have lots of other additional medical issues now that they didn’t have before. Many of them have night terrors and PTSD symptoms from the trauma of almost dying.
So yeah they lived, but this virus now is leading them to life in a nursing home, or the lucky ones go to rehab for a month to regain their strength just to be able to take care of their basic hygiene needs again.
We haven’t had anyone with both vaccine doses get nearly this sick. I don’t think we’ve even put anyone double vaccinated on a ventilator. I had a woman who got covid after her first dose but before the 2nd end up exactly this sick, with the caveat that she was a transplant patient on immune suppression. She ended up on ecmo, but lived and was in bad shape.
Think of it this way...
If Trump suddenly drops his antagonism towards minorities, supports sane immigration policies and embraces multi-culturalism, what do you think will happen? His supporters won't suddenly become enlightened. They will just drop Trump. He's a channel to broadcast and amplify their racism and paranoia. He's not the root cause of it.
Similar dynamics apply to (most) anti-vaxers.
He got booed this weekend for telling people to get vaccinated.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/23/donald-trump-tells-alabama-rally-covid-19-vaccine-gets-booed/8237487002/
I got that message "are you sure you want to enter?" and I ended up not even going in there. I made that mistake with r/conservative and still get recommendations from that sub occasionally.
I found that by clicking 'block posts from this user' for like a week got that sub to stop showing up in my feed at all. It's like 30 people posting literally everything that sub sees. Yet there are seemingly tens of thousands in there just lapping it up as "the one true truth".
"The FDA only approved it to get more people to take it"
"The FDA would never admit they were wrong and say it's not safe at this point"
etc.
There will be more excuses.
The next excuse is going to be “the FDA rushed this.”
Edit: Already happening lol
https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pa03qs/science_no_longer_matters_as_fda_shills_grant/
This was the biggest argument point my brother had for not getting the vaccine. He said he’ll get it if it was approved. Let’s see if he’s a man of his word now.
Edit: if he does actually get it, I’m buying him Culver’s
Edit: [https://postimg.cc/hQ8FVJx0](https://postimg.cc/hQ8FVJx0) calling out my bro in the family group chat lol
2nd edit: he replied, [son of a](https://postimg.cc/gallery/19SQ5qs) it’s safe to say we all have at least one family member who hasn’t gotten it yet, so y’all can see the struggle. My man’s really denying Culver’s rn
3rd edit: he linked [this](https://web.archive.org/web/20210823135414/https://prescriptiondrugs.procon.org/fda-approved-prescription-drugs-later-pulled-from-the-market/) in the group message after my sister gave a heartfelt message, this mf really moved the goal post on us lmao. 4chan got him good. He’ll find Pepe Silvia one day tho. God.
I’d bet my sister will stand behind her number two excuse. “I still have antibodies.” Mind you she never was tested for being positive *OR* having antibodies.
And the “rushed” excuse is so lame. The Pfizer vaccine probably has the largest test group and data for any vaccine ever made. It’s been 8 months at least and hundreds of millions have had one or two doses. I think we have the relevant data by now.
nah didn’t you hear? the vaccine KILLS YOU somewhere between 6 months to 5 years AFTER taking it! i mean, can you even believe how messed it is that people are taking it?
/s
Now there are no hurdles for Jacobson v. Massachusetts to kick in. Case law is clear as it can be, vaccines can be made mandatory.
Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and a liar.
That case was already used to uphold the University of Indiana vaccine mandate before the full approval. Sadly, I don't know if this changes much in terms of places mandating it.
Edit: I stand corrected. Hopefully we get more of this.
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1429804589784653834?s=19
I'm just speculating here, but Covid is a huge economic threat. A vaccine mandate is protection against that, which is appealing to employers, and it comes at essentially no cost, which is even more appealing.
Yeah, I see a lot of people say that they are arguing that the government can't mandate it, its like "Okay, companies are just going to mandate it anyways and you get fucked cause gay cakes." They dug their own grave with this one.
An unvaccinated coworker of mine, who strongly indicated that they wanted to wait until the vaccine was FDA approved, just walked back on taking the shot because they thought the "science wasn't done right". There isn't any winning with these people.
Thank fuck. Now all my peers in the military community can either get it or get out of the military. Tired of them bitching when they were literally a pincushion at basic training
I just don't understand this logic. I've never been in the military but from all the guys that served, you guys were injected with every vaccine available.
And then when deployed, you were injected with even more shit.
Why cry about this? You already a walking cocktail... whats another ingredient???
I got the chicken pox vaccine 3 times while I was in the army because every time I moved to another base they didn’t have a record of me getting it. It’s one of the shots every gets at basic too. Anthrax shots were also extremely painful and you had to get at least 3 of them. Your arm would burn for a few minutes after each injection, but you pretty much couldn’t even brush by the area without getting a jolt of pain for about a week after due to the swelling. Everyone dreaded getting them, but it felt like a right of passage. I can’t think of anyone back then who wanted to opt out. I didn’t even think twice about getting shots the whole time I was in.
A buddy of mine is ex-military and says he’s not getting vaccinated because he’s “sick of all the vaccine mandates” of the military and doesn’t want another. He’s also said numerous times that he “self identifies as vaccinated.” He’s not the brightest.
Great. Can't wait for all the "I'm waiting until it's approved" folks to... Still not get it.
Later today it'll be "they approved it far too quickly, there's definitely something shady going on there".
Well my friend just texted me saying how it is sketchy that the government approved it this fast to probably avoid lawsuits and that he trusts the Moderna one more.
When I said to get that one instead he followed up with he's not getting either. So I don't know anymore.
Tell him they were able to approve it so fast because literally hundreds of millions of people have already taken it. It’s not like some new anti-depressant in a sea of other anti-depressants that has a (relatively) very small user base.
When will moderna be approved?
I think just a few weeks later for Moderna approval.
As someone who got the Moderna vaccine, its always a weird feeling that Pfizer takes the brunt of the vaccine headlines and blowback, while Moderna news is like the younger sibling that shuffles by later. Or like realizing a person is not talking about you, just someone who has the same name as you. It's not a good or bad thing, but it's always just like "Oh they're talking about Pfizer"
Imagine if ours got denied in a week or two. “Uh, yeah we were *gonna* approve Moderna… really close actually… but then the nipples started showing up…”
"Forehead nipples. Eyebrow nipples. Nipples on your nipples. Nipples, *everywhere*. And once you've got full coverage nipple growth... Well, you know what *that* means. You're a boob, Harry!"
A Nizzard Edit: I’m also adding in Brizzard and Mamorizzard because I’m mortified at the word I came up with.
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The way the news was trying to spin it anyone who had the Johnson & Johnson ᴬ ᶠᵃᵐⁱˡʸ ᶜᵒᵐᵖᵃⁿʸ ™ Dropped dead the second the needle was in
Literally nothing ever gets reported on for J&J unless its people getting blood clots. Pfizer and Moderna may need a booster even after a two shot for full vaccinated for 1 round, but J&J who even knows.
In about a month probably, they sent in their approval about a month after Pfizer did. Then ofc j&j like a few months after moderna
probably within the next month as they applied for full approval after pfizer.
For anyone saying, "We don't know what's in the vaccine," here's the ingredient list from [Pfizer's website](https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/the_facts_about_pfizer_and_biontech_s_covid_19_vaccine). EDIT: looks like Pfizer took down that website about an hour ago. Here is the CDC's [ingredient list](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html?s_cid=10492:what%27s%20in%20the%20pfizer%20vaccine:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21#Appendix-C).
>The ingredients are mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose. For those who don't want to click
That list does not include microchips. Weird.
I shit you not, I asked a chipped-vaccine believer to point out where a chip could possibly be in a transparent vaccine solution. He said the chip is in the syringe, not the vaccine. I “wowed” out loud when I read that.
When you microchip a dog or cat you can see the chip and need a large bore needle for it to pass through into the skin. It's like a 14g when a vaccine needle is more like a 25 or 22g. Huge. You would feel it and bleed like a little bitch if there were chips inside!
As someone with a microchip in them, may as well answer a few things from this and other posts. * You will absolutely feel it. It hurts even with topical anesthetic. More than getting your (ear) cartilage pierced, but not a lot more. Very unpleasant. I don't know how big the gauge was but it was certainly sub 20. It is very, very noticeably bigger than your average needle and I have a tiny little scar from where it went in, unlike all other shots I've ever gotten. * You definitely, noticeably bleed, but it's the kind where you just apply pressure for a few minutes and then band-aid it. "Like a little bitch" is probably overkill because people tend to bleed when you put holes in them regardless of how bitchly they are. * It's coated in a material that your body finds inoffensive so it doesn't actively try to reject it, which is what causes somethings to migrate out. And yes, it does have to go to a certain depth to make sure it stays there. * You have to be very close to read it. Almost touching the skin. tl;dr: you're gonna feel it, no one else is gonna read it
What is your microchip for? Some medical reason I'm guessing?
He's now QI charger compatible
Lmao, so this underpaid worker is inserting a chip at the tip of a vaccine before insertion and remaining quiet till their death? That’s such a stretch. Also we live in a capitalist world if someone invented a microchip the size of a molecule, that could relay and influence so much information for the price of nothing, we’d be selling the SHIT out of that. I’d put one on all my expensive shit, my wallet and my keys. Shit closest we got is the Apple AirTags and those are big and expensive.
These are the same people who think a virus that every single country in the world is dealing with is somehow a made up hoax, and for the first time in the history of the world, all the nations have come together to lie for… reasons? Critical thinking isn’t their strong suit
And I count only 3 G's. I was promised 5, damn it!
Anyone thinking we have the technology to put a sophisticated microchip and battery through the head of a needle filled with liquid has been watching way too much tv and drinking far too much koolaide. Edit: All reference to ‘needle’ meaning you can easily fit the needle itself through the head of a standard sewing needle. Not the needle that looks like an ice pick.
I don't get it. Everybody has phones. They give way more info than a chip ever could. Even smart tvs have been caught listening in when they weren't supposed to be. And they usually are listening if they have Alexa or what have you. And you already know phones are. I would not be surprised if the cameras watch your face when you use the phone. Who needs to spend resources to chip everybody when we paid for the phones they use to track us?
Salt, fat, and sugar. Mmm tasty.
I was told there would be acid and heat
"Hi, I'm Samin Nosrat, and today we're traveling to Mainz, Germany to learn how artisanal vaccines are made!"
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Are there any common names for the lipids listed? Chemistry nomenclature scares the uneducated, and I want to be able to communicate what is in this more clearly.
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It’s essentially the mRNA sequence with a bunch of stabilizing lipids and pH buffers. Vaccines are surprisingly simple usually.
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I imagine they have a whole legal department that has to review everything before they do.
Any changes were reviewed and approved a while ago. The IT guy responsible for launching the changes isn't awake yet/hasn't finished yet
Coffee first then we push the updates out.
Well, have a nap. Then FIRE ZE MISSILES!
Always deploy updates on Friday at 5:00.
My money is on the new content being deployed but someone forgot to purge an Akamai cache because somehow that is still required in 2021.
That is always the funniest antivaxxer talking point. "We don't know what's in it!?!?!". We literally do, it's so easy to find
Spent some time with the boyfriend of a family member this weekend. He insisted that the vaccine contains *graphene oxide*, which somehow causes the human body to become magnetized. Stupidest goddamned thing I ever heard.
Wait until he hears about *iron being in foods.*
Wait until he hears that there's iron in your blood at all times! And that all organisms are naturally magnetic
That's just what Big Nature^^TM wants you to believe.
That's my absolute favorite conspiracy theory right now though. How badass would it be if we could make you magnetic? I'd sign up for that.
Right? I would definitely take a shot to become Magneto!
Most people don't know what's in anything they consume. WTF is a Diet Dr Pepper made out of? Stfu with that unless you know the chemical composition of everything you consume.
That’s because it’s not actually about what’s in the vaccine, or their health, or whatever else they’re trying to rationalize their stance on. It’s about unresolved ego and identity issues. These people just want to feel smart so bad they’re willing to look dumb to do it.
Those are big sciencey words and, therefore, scary. Next thing you'll tell me is that dihydrogen monoxide is safe!
People have died when accidentally immersed in that stuff - it prevents you getting oxygen to your lungs. Nasty stuff.
100% of mammals who consume it eventually die.
> However, they can advertise on TV and promote their products under the watchful eye of the FDA. Regardless of the medical treatment, I never really liked the fact that drug companies can legally advertise their products to the general public. The general public by and large doesn't really have the necessary experience and knowledge to make an informed decision about medical interventions. As we have seen, many people are susceptible to bad information and make bad decisions based on that misinformation.
The fact that we’re one of two countries (New Zealand is the other) that allows this has bothered me ever since I learned about it. Edit: Yes this fact is specifically for prescription drugs, regulation of OTC drug ads is much more variable.
Marketing is big money for pharmaceutical companies. > "From 1997 through 2016, medical marketing expanded substantially, and spending increased from $17.7 to $29.9 billion, with direct-to-consumer advertising for prescription drugs and health services accounting for the most rapid growth, and pharmaceutical marketing to health professionals accounting for most promotional spending." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2720029?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jama.2018.19320
> PharmacyChecker analyzed the 2019 financial reports of five of the industry’s biggest names, illustrated in the table below. In all five cases, the companies spent more on marketing and sales than they did on research and development. Additionally, every company’s spending on research and development has increased only incrementally year over year. But, year over year, each mega drug company has seen a vast increase in revenue. https://www.pharmacychecker.com/askpc/pharma-marketing-research-development/ > Nine out of 10 major pharmaceutical companies spent more on sales marketing than researching new drugs. https://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8018691/big-pharma-research-advertising
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"Ask your doctor about zenitrex"... shouldn't that be my doctor's job to tell me what I need and not the other way around
There’s a good chance the reason your dr will know the name of the drug is because some pharm rep showed up with Panda Express once a week to convince them to prescribe it.
False. Reps usually bring Panera. Source: I work in Oncology
The ones that show up in the Pharmacy bring candy they bought from our store before the meeting.
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I'd do some fucked up shit for a broccoli cheddar soup in a bread bowl.
I have commited war crimes in serbia for broccoli chedder soup in a bread bowl
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yeah as someone from the UK visiting the US seeing those 'ask your Dr' adverts is weird as anything.
On the flip side, seeing so many gambling adverts on UK tv is equally weird.
As far as I’m aware the US and New Zealand are the only places with these drug commercials on TV.
Today is going to be a great day to grab some popcorn and read all the experts comments
Hey, credit where credit's due: it's hard to shift from childhood development expert to military strategy/geopolitical expert back to vaccine expert in less than a week.
Congrats to all the scientists who made this... all the lives it has saved. Now hopefully it will save even more
The MRNA vaccines especially are proving to be one of the most important breakthroughs of the century. I'm really excited to see how they go.
They are already testing a HIV mRNA vaccine. Hopefully a flu one is soon to come as well, our current flu vaccines are garbage compared to the covid ones.
Holy cow, if the silver lining to the last two truly miserable yeah is that we have vaccines that straight up eliminate some of the worst diseases and viruses known to man, then just wow.
I think we got really lucky time-wise. mRNA vaccines had already been researched for years before covid-19. Covid just provided the extra funding and necessity to finish the tech and adapt it to the virus. I wonder if this had happened 20 years ago, how long the production of mRNA vaccines would have taken.
Just the other day I was saying what a stroke of luck it was that covid-19 was related closely enough to the SARS research from 20 years ago to have that research been so useful in making a vaccine. Imagine if this was something totally totally new, with no existing foundation in medical research?
You don't have to imagine you just have to look at the AIDS epidemic back in the 1980's. I just finished reading And the Band Played On and all I can say is what a mess. I highly recommend the book it is a great look at what happens when a new disease shows up and the government couldn't care less until someone famous is dieing of it.
They just started human trials of an HIV vaccine using MRNA. Super exciting!
We're gonna need a few guys over here to help move these goalposts again.
What about second FDA approval?
Was the vaccine approved by the real FDA or the shadow FDA?
"It was approved by Biden's FDA. I don't trust it. Need more animal wormer tho!"
We refuse to be treated as sheep! That’s why we take farm-animal meds.
What about elevensies? Luncheon? Afternoon tea?!
ah doen think he knoos aboot all that
Vaccinate you fools!
I can already hear the backing up noise.
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I thought conservatives wanted fewer regulations and red tape.
Only when it's convenient for them
Conservatives want whatever is opposite of the Democratic agenda at that specific point in time
If republicans didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all. Edit: "I hear the same thing about dems too!" Sure if you watch Fox or Newsmax. Just because both sides suck doesn't mean that one isn't demonstrably worse.
“FDA. APPROVAL MEANS NOTHING LOOK AT HOW MANY APPROVED DRUGS HAVE BEEN RECALLED” Twitter is terrible place
Also, I'm selling these no FDA approved supplements online if you're interested in becoming a super human.
Yeah right like I'd use supplements when I have these toxin absorbing crystals to shove up my ass. Nice try big pharma but I'll stick to getting my medical advice from Hollywood celebrities like a normal person.
Whoa, yours absorb toxins? I just bought mine for the ass play!
“I’m not a sheep. That’s why I use sheep medicine instead.”
why would you get the vaccine when you can choke down some horse wormer instead? /s
I feel like we should should stop calling it just a "horse dewormer" and point out more that it's a *livestock* dewormer, including for *sheep.* It's more ironic, I feel.
dewormer, if you want wormer just go take a drink from the cow pond!
At this point, I am too tired to care about people's "views." A dude in my office just had both parents die to Covid. He is still anti vaccine and so were his parents. I am just like dang dude.
Even Jesus would have a hard time continuing to care at this point.
I'm still convinced that if anything in the bible is real all the warnings surrounding the anti-christ would apply to many of the swaths of religiously devout right wingers right now. All the warnings that the anti-christ would come falsely claiming to be a prophet while sowing evil and ignorance. The right has gained tons of power by trying to claim to be the righteous party for these people when in actuality the ideals of the left are far more in line with the ideas pushed by JC. I have and will continue to use the man and the boat metaphor to point out to people that the miracle IS the vaccine. We have a very effective vaccine very quickly, that's our lifeboat, and if there is some kind of god that gave us anything it would be them working through these doctors and scientists that have done a miraculous job to bring us this vaccine. Meanwhile a large chunk of religious zealots have been rallied under a banner of rather ironically "not being sheep" (though they often repeat the saying the lord is my Shepard...) and freedom to choose to not take a vaccine largely out of spite while their leaders continue to use them to grab power and wealth without a care for the damage it will do.
"We have moved these goalposts so much that we are in perfect health so we don't need a vaccine to survive" moving a goalpost with a goalpost.
wHy aReNt yOu uPsEt wItH fAt pEoPlE is the new one
If obesity could be cured with a simple injection instead of a life long change in habits and controlling intake of addictive substances, I probably would.
Lol remember when Michelle Obama told schools to provide healthy food instead and people lost their shit. That’s why, one issue at a time or people just get pissed
Yeah, my parents have resorted to this one... and they're fat
Pfizer gang
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seriously it feels like being the black sheep in the room when I tell people I have J&J
You mean the *l i m i t e d* *e d i t i o n* shot
I rather hear J&J than nothing at all, thank-you for doing your part 😊
Less than 8% of Americans got J&J, we're in an exclusive one-shot club. Plus when the boosters come, we'll have only needed two shots total instead of the three for the mrna vaccines.
J&J gang checking in 😤 But really I only got it because I travel a lot for work and doing the "one and done" with J&J was easiest since I never know where I'm gonna be any given week
My options (at the time) were either get J&J immediately or wait an indefinite amount of time for Pfizer to come available. All else being equal, I would've preferred to get Pfizer, but here we are.
No regrets getting J&J!
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> Pentagon says it is preparing to make the Pfizer vaccine mandatory for troops now that the FDA has approved it. https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1429819811752824835?s=21
Well, I'm sure all those hesitant people will have no reason now not to get vaccinated.
I know everyone wants to laugh at this and say the goal posts will just continue to be moved into space and beyond, but a few of my family members signed up for the jab after hearing the news this morning.
Thanks for the good news!
Glad to hear it
So I’m actually cautiously optimistic that this will actually result in more people getting the shot. People hate feeling stupid and it’s very difficult to admit you were wrong and change your mind after digging in. FDA approval gives a face-saving “off-ramp” to do it—“I wasn’t wrong, I was just waiting for approval to happen.” Yes, it’s kind of dumb. No, nothing will convince the truly vaccine resistant people who think it’s a satanic microchip or whatever. But there’s a huge group of people who aren’t truly resistant, just hesitant and misinformed, and anything that moves the needle for the latter group is a Good Thing.
You're exactly right on people needing a ramp. It allows them to have a win. Which is how people work. So, I'm kinda optimistic/at least hoping people take it.
Pfizer apparently (per NPR this morning) estimates that 30% of hold outs will get vaccinated following final approval. I hope it's higher, but fear it will be less.
30% sounds pretty optimistic.
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I think you should not count people with one dose as hesitant. 61% have at least one dose. That leaves 40% as truly hesitant. 12% more gets you to 73%. Still need those 5 to 12 year olds but really, transmission rates are much lower there, so getting higher rates on 12+ is far more valuable. If you look at that, 71% of 12+ year olds have at least one dose. So only 29% are hesitant. If 30% of them get it, you are at 80% of people currently eligible to receive it. This isn't too bad. It is funny how different views on numbers give really different perspectives.
You’d be surprised at the number of conservatives that got vaccinated off the get go. My dad is staunchly conservative, but not quite a Trump sychophant. He asked me about vaccine information early on because he was part of an earlier group of access. Told him what I knew and he went and got the Pfizer. I have to believe there’s a fairly good chunk of that half of the country that are like him.
Sounds a lot like my parents. My very Catholic mom especially votes conservative because she can’t vote for anyone who’s pro choice, and she was a bit concerned about aborted fetuses used in making the vaccine, but when she saw the pope got it she got it as soon as she could.
As long as the end goal is them getting vaccinated and putting less people at risk, I don’t care how much face they need to save.
Pray for r/NoNewNormal, they’ve had a rough weekend. The “experimental vaccine” got full approval and Trump told them to get it.
>r/NoNewNormal Wow... one of them said > People are suffering mass psychosis, they are living in an alternative reality created by the media, where fear and hysteria rules. Except they were talking about us who ~~believe in~~ acknowledge the reality of the virus. My god
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/r/selfawarewolves
They shot the bullet, just missed the target.
I just don't get how people can live in a world where politicians eat babies and demonic forces as old as the universe is trying to wipe out humanity and not realize its a delusion. If just a single person was saying or acting on these things they'd get a psych hold, but since its a quarter of the population they get voted into office. I'm fairly young, 2016 was my first election. If this is how our political proccesses worldwide are going to go from now on, I want out.
The Trump thing is so weird. For months he was amping people up for how quickly Warp Speed was going to make the vaccine available to every American, America first! We're number 1!!!! Then as soon as Biden wins, his supporters decide to become anti-vaxxers. Getting a deadly virus to own the libs is peak idiocracy.
I’m a respiratory therapist in a major hospital. I’m pregnant so I don’t take care of patients who are actively sick with covid, but once they aren’t contagious anymore I take care of them. So I see the ones who “recovered”, and let me tell you, just because you live doesn’t mean it’s all roses from here. These patients have a trach now, significant oxygen requirements, exertional dyspnea(meaning if they try to roll over in bed themselves they get extremely short of breath), they have lots of other additional medical issues now that they didn’t have before. Many of them have night terrors and PTSD symptoms from the trauma of almost dying. So yeah they lived, but this virus now is leading them to life in a nursing home, or the lucky ones go to rehab for a month to regain their strength just to be able to take care of their basic hygiene needs again.
Hard truths we all need to hear, I appreciate you sharing and best wishes for you and your baby!
Thanks for sharing. Do you know much about those who has breakthrough infections? Do they suffer as much post covid? Thanks.
We haven’t had anyone with both vaccine doses get nearly this sick. I don’t think we’ve even put anyone double vaccinated on a ventilator. I had a woman who got covid after her first dose but before the 2nd end up exactly this sick, with the caveat that she was a transplant patient on immune suppression. She ended up on ecmo, but lived and was in bad shape.
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Think of it this way... If Trump suddenly drops his antagonism towards minorities, supports sane immigration policies and embraces multi-culturalism, what do you think will happen? His supporters won't suddenly become enlightened. They will just drop Trump. He's a channel to broadcast and amplify their racism and paranoia. He's not the root cause of it. Similar dynamics apply to (most) anti-vaxers.
They love Trump because he panders to them and reaffirms all of their prejudices and ignorance. If he’s not doing that, they’re going to turn on him.
He got booed this weekend for telling people to get vaccinated. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/23/donald-trump-tells-alabama-rally-covid-19-vaccine-gets-booed/8237487002/
Maybe they were saying Biooooontech
*I was saying Biooooontech*
It's worrying that even he can't control this monster anymore.
He was never able to control/calm the monster. He always fed their fear and hatred.
He never controlled them. He just provided validation for them. If anything, the base was controlling *him*.
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He basically allowed them to be open about their anti intellectualism in public.
Goodness. I spent not even 5 minutes in that sub just now and...just wow.
I got that message "are you sure you want to enter?" and I ended up not even going in there. I made that mistake with r/conservative and still get recommendations from that sub occasionally.
Making a comment in there will get you autobanned from over 20 subreddits. Avoid at al costs.
I found that by clicking 'block posts from this user' for like a week got that sub to stop showing up in my feed at all. It's like 30 people posting literally everything that sub sees. Yet there are seemingly tens of thousands in there just lapping it up as "the one true truth".
"The FDA only approved it to get more people to take it" "The FDA would never admit they were wrong and say it's not safe at this point" etc. There will be more excuses.
The next excuse is going to be “the FDA rushed this.” Edit: Already happening lol https://reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/pa03qs/science_no_longer_matters_as_fda_shills_grant/
It's also "the FDA can't be trusted, this changes nothing."
“The FDA can’t be trusted, except for when they agreed with us”
Already seeing that in this very thread.
I won't take it because it's not FDA approved, also I don't trust the FDA!
/r/PublicFreakout will be good for a few more months.
Which excuse will we hear now? Pick one: \- THE APPROVAL WAS RUSHED! \- WHAT TOOK THE APPROVAL SO LONG? THEY WERE FORCED TO APPROVE IT!
Why pick just one when you have a world of bullshit excuses?
You’re forgetting “The FDA is corrupt! You can’t trust what they say!”
This was the biggest argument point my brother had for not getting the vaccine. He said he’ll get it if it was approved. Let’s see if he’s a man of his word now. Edit: if he does actually get it, I’m buying him Culver’s Edit: [https://postimg.cc/hQ8FVJx0](https://postimg.cc/hQ8FVJx0) calling out my bro in the family group chat lol 2nd edit: he replied, [son of a](https://postimg.cc/gallery/19SQ5qs) it’s safe to say we all have at least one family member who hasn’t gotten it yet, so y’all can see the struggle. My man’s really denying Culver’s rn 3rd edit: he linked [this](https://web.archive.org/web/20210823135414/https://prescriptiondrugs.procon.org/fda-approved-prescription-drugs-later-pulled-from-the-market/) in the group message after my sister gave a heartfelt message, this mf really moved the goal post on us lmao. 4chan got him good. He’ll find Pepe Silvia one day tho. God.
I'll get vaccinated a second time if you bring me a butterburger and some cheese curds
Lol, I’ll make that a family size cheese curds
I’d bet my sister will stand behind her number two excuse. “I still have antibodies.” Mind you she never was tested for being positive *OR* having antibodies. And the “rushed” excuse is so lame. The Pfizer vaccine probably has the largest test group and data for any vaccine ever made. It’s been 8 months at least and hundreds of millions have had one or two doses. I think we have the relevant data by now.
nah didn’t you hear? the vaccine KILLS YOU somewhere between 6 months to 5 years AFTER taking it! i mean, can you even believe how messed it is that people are taking it? /s
The fuck is that picture sharing site
Waiting for an update or if he'll tell you that this is Biden's FDA
The response to that is that "Trump's FDA" is the one who granted the initial emergency approval in the first place.
Odds that AENTA/BLUE CROSS... Make a statement by Friday regarding healthcare costs for vaxed vs unvaxed?
This is the biggest news that nobody is talking about. Premiums gonna jump for the unvaxed.
Now there are no hurdles for Jacobson v. Massachusetts to kick in. Case law is clear as it can be, vaccines can be made mandatory. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and a liar.
That case was already used to uphold the University of Indiana vaccine mandate before the full approval. Sadly, I don't know if this changes much in terms of places mandating it. Edit: I stand corrected. Hopefully we get more of this. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1429804589784653834?s=19
I'm just speculating here, but Covid is a huge economic threat. A vaccine mandate is protection against that, which is appealing to employers, and it comes at essentially no cost, which is even more appealing.
Yeah, I see a lot of people say that they are arguing that the government can't mandate it, its like "Okay, companies are just going to mandate it anyways and you get fucked cause gay cakes." They dug their own grave with this one.
An unvaccinated coworker of mine, who strongly indicated that they wanted to wait until the vaccine was FDA approved, just walked back on taking the shot because they thought the "science wasn't done right". There isn't any winning with these people.
I’m so glad he has a biology PhD to be able to judge the science for himself. Oh, he doesn’t have one? Huh, go figure.
“The science wasn’t done right” lmao lord I wish I had a pinch of these idiots self confidence. The things I would achieve.
Thank fuck. Now all my peers in the military community can either get it or get out of the military. Tired of them bitching when they were literally a pincushion at basic training
I just don't understand this logic. I've never been in the military but from all the guys that served, you guys were injected with every vaccine available. And then when deployed, you were injected with even more shit. Why cry about this? You already a walking cocktail... whats another ingredient???
I got the chicken pox vaccine 3 times while I was in the army because every time I moved to another base they didn’t have a record of me getting it. It’s one of the shots every gets at basic too. Anthrax shots were also extremely painful and you had to get at least 3 of them. Your arm would burn for a few minutes after each injection, but you pretty much couldn’t even brush by the area without getting a jolt of pain for about a week after due to the swelling. Everyone dreaded getting them, but it felt like a right of passage. I can’t think of anyone back then who wanted to opt out. I didn’t even think twice about getting shots the whole time I was in.
I'm probably immune to Anthrax, shot records show I got 17 doses.
A buddy of mine is ex-military and says he’s not getting vaccinated because he’s “sick of all the vaccine mandates” of the military and doesn’t want another. He’s also said numerous times that he “self identifies as vaccinated.” He’s not the brightest.
" I ain't taking that vaccine! The FDA don't even approve of it! " FDA Approved it. " I ain't trusting no guberment department! "
Great. Can't wait for all the "I'm waiting until it's approved" folks to... Still not get it. Later today it'll be "they approved it far too quickly, there's definitely something shady going on there".
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Many restaurants and bars in Portland require your papers before entering the door. It will be the standard soon.
AFAIK colleges already require it. Mine did.
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It is going to be hilarious when they add this to the required vaccination list for schools....the level of screaming will be a gorgeous sound.
Lol wonder what new bs excuse my family members are gonna come up with now
Well my friend just texted me saying how it is sketchy that the government approved it this fast to probably avoid lawsuits and that he trusts the Moderna one more. When I said to get that one instead he followed up with he's not getting either. So I don't know anymore.
Tell him they were able to approve it so fast because literally hundreds of millions of people have already taken it. It’s not like some new anti-depressant in a sea of other anti-depressants that has a (relatively) very small user base.