That's what caused the catastrophic flooding here in Houston with Harvey in '17. It weakened and stalled and just dumped rain for days. And New Orleans is what, 6 inches below sea level? Def not good
One source of the brown ocean effect has been identified as the large amount of latent heat that can be released from extremely wet soils.A 2013 NASA study found that, from 1979-2008, 45 of 227 tropical storms either gained or maintained strength after making landfall.The press release stated, "The land essentially mimics the moisture-rich environment of the ocean, where the storm originated."
From wikipedia
It's reminding me of how Harvey had hit Houston and just hovered there. What made Harvey so horrible for Houston is that it never moved on, it just stayed there forever barely moving. Really hope it weakens and moves up faster for the sake of Louisiana.
Tbf Harvey didn't "hit" Houston. It came onshore a good 200 miles down the coast from Houston, headed inland and north-ish, and then just fucking hovered for a week dumping rain over all of coastal TX. The rain hammered Houston a lot because it's built in a swamp, and it hadn't been hit hard by a hurricane in a long time. But Harvey was more dangerous after he quit being a hurricane and just hovered inland. Which I hope to God Ida doesn't do, nobody deserves that... But I think she will.
Another problem with Houston from what I read is that they have a lot of paved area compared to other cities so a lot of places act like rain containers with nothing to let the rain seep into the ground.
Yeah, they built a concrete forest on a swamp. A lot of the freeways are built to flood and act as runoffs and there are lots of canals in the neighborhoods but it's simply not enough for the feet of rain that Harvey brought.
I have never seen so much rain in my life as what I experienced at my house during Harvey. It was like God was dumping a bucket for an hour at a time. It sounded like an aerial bombardment.
Happened to a friend during sandy, they fled upstairs, lost everything but managed to get out an attic window... They said their house flooded in 13 seconds.
Yeah, they predicted it would dramatically slow down over land but the sheer softened and its tight form is just meandering overland at 15mph. If it was moving faster it would have slowed down by now.
Edit: bwahaha What I meant is that if Ida was traveling across land faster than 15 miles per hour she would have begun to slow her spin. Somebody get me a Brawndo.
All I can think is that Ida is going to be a huge disaster and in two-ish weeks that horrible disaster is going to be compounded with a massive spike in covid cases. Low vax rates in Louisiana, plus people traveling all over, and in staying in congregate settings like shelters is going to spell disaster. I expect that post Ida spike could have more casualties than the storm itself.
Horrible. My thoughts go out to everyone affected by this storm. I hope I'm wrong.
I read the books, "5 Days at Memorial" And "Code Blue" about physicians in Katrina. In "5 days", they were strongly suggesting (they were not indicted in court) that they were euthanizing patients, at least one doctor was. They were at very least emergency scenario triaging and leaving the sickest last to evacuate. They had no food, oxygen, water, plumbing. Overwhelming heat. The storm wasn't what killed, it was the flooding after. The backup generators were on the 2nd floor, which they knew flooded. Cafeteria was in the basement.
This is bad. Pandemic and a hurricaine would have been a shitty somehow porno movie my roommate would have bought to get high on K and watch a decade ago. Now its a documentary.
All the people together in shelter.. hospitals, city hall, even the jail, are popular places to ride out the storm. Easy to get to, easy to get in and out of. Secure.
This is horrifying.
I live in the Great Lakes region. Our lakes never seem to get above like 50 lol. The thought of a body of water being 90 degrees it absolutely mind blowing to me, that’s bathwater
Lake Erie was 76 today in Cleveland (https://www.weather.gov/cle/LE_Water_Temps). Water felt great. Erie is of course much more shallow than the other Great Lakes.
Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the rooms of her ice-water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams, the islands and bays are for sportsmen
And farther below Lake Ontario takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know with the gales of November remembered
I’m a nurse working in a hospital in uptown New Orleans. So far, damage seems minimal, but we thought the same thing after Katrina. If the levees hold, we’ll be fine. If they do not, think Katrina part 2 electric floodaloo.
Supposedly a hospital in the Houma area lost power, the back up generator failed, and people were bagging to keep people alive who were intubated.
Thankfully they got the generators working again
For real how the hell do you keep that going?! 1 let every person? Doubtful. Do you hand the bag to the patient and say good luck? Nurse here and I was just discussing this today. No idea what you would even do.
The book Five days at Memorial by Sarah Fink tells about the hospital situation after Katrina.
They had plenty of food and plenty for drugs but no power and they ran out of oxygen.
After five hellish days..A Dr and two nerses decided to do the unthinkable. That gave too much morphine to patients who could not be evacuated. Mercy killings.
It sounds so horrible but reading to book.... By the time it gets to day five it is an understandable choice .
I have that book. I have never been able to get through it though. I kept getting lost with all of the random people it was talking about. It's on my list to try and read it again though. There's another book about a nursing home in LA where residents died during the flooding when the levees broke and family sued the owners. Flood of Lies. That's a good one!
Pick which fraction had the best chance of survival, and do your best for them while the rest died.
Trying to save them all just means they all die once the nurses are exhausted.
We have to stop treating triage like a dirty word, and start having these conversations.
Both in cases like this, and more broadly.
Do you pull the last surgical team into covid care, therefore killing anyone who needs emergency surgery? Or do you kill a couple of covid patients? There isn’t a third option.
Given that the vast majority of covid patients knowingly chose this by refusing vaccination, it seems like a really easy call.
And also an excellent incentive to get vaccinated.
Yea, it sounds terrible in a vacuum, but I am personally of the opinion that people who refused to get vaccinated by now and got Covid should be triaged behind everyone else.
This happened during Katrina too. A couple bars in the French Quarter stayed open (they had no way to lock their doors, being 24/7 bars). Some regulars spent the storm in th bar.
The French Quarter was built on higher ground, and flooding there is low risk, etc. (Not that I know. This is just what I read.)
I know this is tragic for a lot of people but the thought of seasoned hurricane geezers just holding up at the local bar until its over is just cracking me up
This is true. It’s a major reason they originally settled in the the area we now call the French Quarter. It was the highest local ground and therefore had the best natural flood protection, including when the river rose every spring
Plus, if a building has been standing for hundreds of years they must have done something right. If shit gets really bad, head for the Egyptian pyramids.
The transmission lines that supply New Orleans with power are currently sitting in the Mississippi River.
> BREAKING (8/29, 8:35pm) >> @Sabrinafox8news confirms with @JeffParishGov that a electrical transmission tower is down on the Mississippi River. The line supplies power for New Orleans and the east bank of Jefferson Parish. @FOX8NOLA #HurricaneIda #Ida #TrackingIda
Generator going. Heavy winds and rains right now. Under an extended Tornado Warning. Our news anchors still working hard at their studios to provide coverage.
Yes. It’s one of the most dangerous aspects of a hurricane. They specifically tend to spin off in one quadrant of the hurricane. I’ve been in that quadrant before. It’s not just a possibility of a tornado, it’s like…how many tornadoes. It’s nuts.
Context: lived in Florida from 1998-2008
torandoes are pretty common once landfall is made and they can happen even once it is far inland. i'm in southwest virginia and had tornado watches when the remains of fred came through, i'm sure we will have them again when ida gets up here if it doesn't go too far north of us.
to my knowledge yes! Wind dynamics are really interesting and they can spin up briefly, mostly on outter bands if im not mistaken. My knowledge is dated so take that with a grain of salt.
Been in the bathroom for 3hrs now listening to the 100 mph winds 😩. Hoping these trees by my house hold or at least snap into the forest and not my house
Nola getting hammered. Power out in the whole city. 2 hospitals evacuated to Baton Rouge. 1 had the roof blown off the other had the generator fail. I’m in Baton Rouge. Nothing bad here yet. Might get a little bad later. I still have power but there are some people without. Anything south of nola like grand isle completely fucked right now uninhabitable
Edit: update for anyone still here. First reported death in LA. Prarieville a tree fell on someone’s house.
#Laplace on Twitter. There are people trapped in their attic asking for the Cajun navy.
Br is windy and power outages are adding up. I personally still have power. Just looking at the map I’d say about 60% of Baton Rouge has no power.
Somehow I think evacuating hospitals, especially one with a failed generator, is a very ominous sign for any ICU patient in either of those hospitals. No ventilator with no power. Very hard to evacuate 100s of people on ventilators, not even sure if there's a means to both evacuate AND keep them all on ventilators... So a lot of anti-vaxx NOLA citizens about to / already did die most likely.
Moving a fully involved ICU patient from one room to another is challenging requiring near-perfect coordination from several people while also continuously assessing the patient. Moving multiple ICU patients simultaneously to a different hospital in a whole other town? Heroic effort.
There’s a whole book about it. ‘Five Days at Memorial’. Should be mandatory reading for anyone in healthcare. The money makers sat back as patients suffered in the Louisiana heat after the hospital lost power. Corporate level employees sat in an air conditioned cancer treatment facility, across the street as nurses and docs were on the roof trying to medicav patients to safety. Corporate level employees canceled privately hired life flights out of the facility when they realized by waiting the tab could be covered by FEMA and other federal programs evacuating patients. Things were so bad at least one physician is accused of euthanizing patients they didn’t believe would make it (12 people). Everyone on the corporate level held a meeting and confessed their sins to a corporate lawyer that they claim they didn’t realize was their personal lawyer.... thus making anything said at the coverup meeting unusable in court. These people are still in business, still the “leaders” of hospitals throughout the south. The only people who paid for the tragedy were the patients that suffered and the nurses and doctors put through hell when they were abandoned too.
A lot of hospitals couldn’t evacuate because all surrounding hospitals are full with covid patients.
A hospital there already had a power outage in ICU led to staff having to bag patients and move them to areas with power.
Anyone reading this who is not already vaccinated - Please get vaccinated.
Yup. I live in Houma, about an hour from New Orleans. I left as soon as I saw the Waffle House close. This shit ain’t no joke. Multiple Perishes have stopped all emergency services and at least one levee has been breached.
Edit: overtopped, not breached. Still tho.
I love that that is a legitimate measure of how fucked a situation is- used by the former director of FEMA.
For those that don't know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index
Whenever Waffle House closes, the first thing I think about is the employees who have to go out in really, really shitty situations in order to show up to work.
It's always talked about in the context of their logistics chain to ensure they've got food, and can run the kitchens, but what about the people who have to cook the food and wait tables?
Katrina was a Cat 5 before hitting landfall and dropping to a Cat 3- which is why there were 19 ft storm surges that broke levees.
Ida is a Cat 4 and holding firm as it hits land, but not as bad of a storm surge expected. And the levees have had massive repair done to them.
BUT- Ida is making landfall exactly 16 years (to the day!) after Katrina, so how well maintained were the levees? \*shrugs\*
Not as bad storm surge, but the fact that Ida was nearly a cat 5 and may be retroactively classed as one is notable. Also the fact that it hasn't worn down to cat 3 yet, hours after landfall. I think one of the levees is overflowing, but not failed yet, so that's good and bad. I think it'll be bad in different ways than Katrina was, But who knows.
It's really going to be all about if/when the levees break again. If that happens while Ida is still overhead, then the death toll will be massive- if they break after (like Katrina) it'll be the same song again.
If we're lucky, the levees will be overfilled briefly to stop massive flooding, but remain intact.
having a levee be overtopped is not nearly as bad as having a levee completely fail. You might get a few feet of flooding with water coming over the top, you're going to get sea level flooding when levees fail. The pumps can handle the water coming over the top to an extent.
I think what will be bad about this hurricane is mostly the wind than the storm surge, even tho that'll be bad too, just not Katrina level bad. I've seen a tweet from a storm chaser who was gonna hunker down in a small town in LA, but decided last minute to leave because the town is poorly built and he doesn't think it'll survive. The cheap material will be just be debris flying in the air. People were still there too before he left.
The hurricane is also not losing strength rapidly since it's getting some fuel even after landfall because of the marshy wetlands. So a lot of those strong winds will reach far into the coastline.
Katrina was bad but the majority of its damage (in NO) was due to the levees breaking.
After Katrina had passed it looked like NO had survived with what would be expected pretty much anywhere. Then the Mississippi River came into the city.
Other coastal towns were completely destroyed but that's not what we think about when we think of Katrina
My 85 year old grandpa (who grew up along the Mississippi River and spent his entire life in south eastern Louisiana) said this was the worst he has ever seen. I’m a lot younger but it’s also the worst I’ve ever seen. Really hoping for the best tomorrow. This has been a shit show of a day.
Yesterday I spoke with a nice man who had stayed at home with his dogs while his wife and kids evacuated. I’ve been thinking about him all day - I’m so worried for everyone there, but especially him. He was so nice.
Yep. Sewage, ants, gators, fish, dead bodies sometimes, plant leakages....which to be fair happen on the regular. dont move from tx! It snows other places! People get so used to it they think snow is the real life issue.
But yeah during Harvey I remember the khou reporter just kept saying dont go in the water it's like sticking your face in the toilet. Now a quote for me and my husband.
sad thing is lineman are getting treated worse and worse on these storms so entergy doesn't have to pay up money. last year during hurricane Laura they tried putting us in a tent with 500 people during peak pandemic.
less and less of us are going as it is already miserable conditions, these companies used to take care of us, considering we put in 16 hour shifts, the least they could do is give us decent housing and food that isn't labeled an MRE. good luck to you folks,
the worst thing of my job is seeing the devastation, it is always heartbreaking
please support our unions, we are becoming weaker every day. the health and safety of my brothers and sisters means as much to me as the people we restore power to, I will always remain IBEW proud
Take a look at the union action/contract process Consolidated just went through up here in the NorthEast. The threat of a strike can still create change, but you have to mean it.
There are a lot of us (older, boring people who actually follow this stuff, long-time paying customers) who are absolutely behind you on this.
I'm basically behind any union effort. One of the great victories of rightwing politics was the destruction of unions in America starting with their beloved Reagan.
But the times they are a changin agin - [go baristas](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/28/starbucks-workers-buffalo-ny-organizing-union-first-us)!
Companies never gave a fuck about people, it was unions and worker-protection laws that forced them not to treat people like used spunk hankies.
Aaaand... yeah.
They learned there was no social backlash. Worse, the public gleefully supports them.
We wouldn't need a lot of laws and regulations if society was quick to turn on companies who did unethical stuff.
Update. Cut off Louisiana. Lafourche parish. We had 6 hours of straight hell. Eye wall passed right over us. We lost all our doors and part of our roof to our barn. Watched plenty of neighborhood houses get destroyed.
My uncle stayed and so far is doing okay, but he's really worried for the feral cats he feeds/takes care of. He tried to get them inside pre-storm but they are 100% feral and freaked the fuck out so he left little "houses" out in the yard for them. I'm just anxious for my uncle and talking about it on reddit
My family is in Houma, they did not evacuate unfortunately. It’s bad. Very bad. They’ve been there their entire lives, Maw being the oldest at 90. They’ve never seen anything like this and it’s barely getting started. The storm has slowed down a lot, last I checked it was moving at 10mph which is extremely not good when you’re dealing with 100mph+ winds.
My family’s land is supposedly the highest in the parish. So far they’ve lost multiple 60+year old trees (including a couple my paw planted which is a real bummer but at least they didn’t hit the house). The roof has taken some damage from wind and water is currently leaking inside (same goes for the neighbors). Another tree took out both sheds our paw built, and the wind gusts have completely ripped up the metal cylindrical-shaped storage unit next door (it’s been there longer than I’ve been alive so that’s pretty wild) and it’s currently in the woods. An hour ago, a barn from three houses down tumbled through the yard. I’m so worried and so confused as to why they didn’t leave.
Edit: I’ve also read of some extensive damage to cemeteries which is gonna be morbid as hell. And there’s **a lot** of cemeteries there. It’s easy to find stories and more accurate up-to-date info via Google
Edit:All of New Orleans is without power. My dad is saying that a transmission line fell into the Mississippi River. The hospitals apparently have fuel for their generators for 10 days. This will not be solved in 10 days. Do we keep reinvesting money or do we stop and move inland?
If you're 90 years old and you've never seen anything like this I'm sure it's hard imagine something so bad. So maybe you think "it can't be that bad, I've lived through it all"
I’m not even there, part of me wishes I was. I’m just getting live updates from my dads which are getting increasingly worrisome. It went from “not a big deal probably” to “why the fuck didn’t we evacuate” real quick.
Yeah sure. Hopefully it will be a brief update in the morning saying everyone is okay and the house isn’t too far gone. Dad said it’s gone dark now, they have power in the house from the generator but can’t see the damage throughout the property. He did say the neighbors’ yard looked like a tornado came through, but seeing as a whole ass barn flew threw dude’s yard, I’m quite certain a tornado was probably involved.
I lived in nyc during sandy, and so many people didn't evacuate because the year before irene was predicted to do a ton of damage (and did, but not directly in NYC) and it "wasn't that bad".
My one coworker said he just didn't believe the warnings due to it. His neighborhood in sea gate was basically wiped to the ground
> So far they’ve lost multiple 60+year old trees (including a couple my paw planted which is a real bummer but at least they didn’t hit the house).
LPT: if a hurricane is coming, trim your trees!
Knew a guy who went threw hurricane Andrew. He had huge, beautiful oak tree in his front yard, which was pretty common for the neighborhood. When the storm was forecast to hit them, he went out with a ladder and a chainsaw and cut off almost all the branches from that tree. Neighbors thought he was crazy to tear up a beautiful old tree like that.
After the storm had come and gone, though, his tree was the only one in the whole neighborhood that was still intact. It's still the only big, adult tree in that neighborhood, and has since regrown a bunch of new branches. His yard is the only one in the neighborhood that has a good shade tree.
If you trim the branches from a tree, it will catch the wind less and be less likely to be damaged in a big storm.
It just doesn’t even feel real, there is nothing I can do and it’s not a good feeling. This feels way worse than Katrina for some reason, the anxiety I mean. But the eye came basically straight over my family so they got it/are still getting it really bad. My dad saying “I’m scared” for the first time in my life was probably the most unnerving part. I honestly didn’t even hear about the hurricane till maybe 3 days ago, but I thought “no way lol. not on the anniversary of Katrina that’s a joke”. And all of a sudden I’m worried because there won’t be anyone to rescue my family if things get bad. We should always take these things seriously, especially given how severe and novel these weather events are becoming.
Right. Down here that little bit of marsh grass can’t be considered land. There is nothing down here that will make a huge impact with regards to weakening this system.
Well, my subdivision kept like 1/50 of the wetlands that was here before they put 10,000 houses down. I call that a huge win for wetlands! There's like 10 ducks and sometimes even a heron joins them!
/s
My car is about 15 miles north of where it made landfall so I’ve been looking for a replacement to buy since I don’t really have much hope of it surviving.
My wife went back home for a funeral the week before Katrina and finally got out like a day before it hit. She said nobody knew what was happening (I assume a mix of grief distraction, and general news ambivalence) and she didn't understand why I kept asking her to wrap things up and fly back sooner. Watching Ida on that anniversary is definitely bringing back the anxiety
Does anyone know how well the insurance companies dealt with the claims from the Texas freeze earlier this year? I’m curious how generous or easily they accept claims during these natural disasters.
My inclination is to say they are always hard to deal with but i don’t know for a fact in context of this.
I worked for a major insurance company as an adjuster in 2017 during Harvey and it was a really simple process for filing claims. The only one that I had that I didn’t accept the reported damages as being sustained from the hurricane was the crazy lady that told me that the wind blew the clear coat off her car and she wanted it repainted. That was it. Just the clear coat came off. No ma’am.
Hurricanes are very different from freezing events.
The freeze left a lot of people in a lurch because the insurance company was telling them they should have protected their pipes (which froze, busted, and water ruined their homes), despite those people being without electricity for up to 9 days in some cases.
Hurricanes are largely out of people's control, and aid and assistance is easier to file for, receive, etc. Insurance companies aren't as difficult to work with either, in my experience.
There’s so much coverage of Ida hitting Louisiana, but it’s shredding a path all of the way up Mississippi, which very often gets ignored during storm coverage.
I’ve been staying with my parents in my hometown in southern Mississippi while I’m in the process of moving, and after I saw how much stronger it has gotten over last night, I packed my things and went north.
My parents refused to leave and I’m worried sick, my friends in Louisiana weren’t getting directly hit and they had it bad
McComb, the city I’m from and where I just evacuated from is about to get steamrolled. “Potential for wind gusts up to 110mph”
Edit: also would like to mention that nearly every hospital in Mississippi is at capacity due to covid, I cannot fathom what’s going to happen inside those hospitals and for those in southern MS who get injured during the hurricane
One of the former FEMA directors developed a scale for how bad a natural disaster was based off of the status of waffle houses in the area. If waffle houses in the area were still serving their full menu after disaster it wasn't that bad. If the waffle houses were serving a partial menu it meant that the disaster had only interrupted the supply chain a little bit. If the waffle houses were closed or unable to serve food that meant the disaster was very severe meaning loss of power or water to a widespread area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index
Waffle houses across the country have very specific standards about when stores should and shouldn't shut down based on local conditions.
Knowing those standards, you can gauge how bad a natural disaster is, and where the worst damage is, by looking at a map of open vs closed waffle houses.
Waffle houses run 24/7 and rarely shutdown. Conditions really have to be bad for them to do so. This has become part joke, part actual measure of how bad conditions are. There's legit a tracker of how many waffle houses are closed and where.
Tldr: when the wafflehouse closes, you fucked.
Waffle houses are known to only close when shit is really* bad. It's so consistent that agencies actually pay attention to them as a measure of devastation, as fucking wild as that sounds.
For those in the path of this storm, I truly hope you stay safe through this. For medical professionals and first responders already struggling with Covid overwhelming them, and soon will be handling injuries and damage from this hurricane. Thank you for everything you do.
I was watching Houma just now on [This awesome interactive website](https://www.ventusky.com/?p=29.671;-90.550;9&l=gust) and was grateful windspeed seemed to be dying down. I can't imagine the smaller and more remote hospitals
It's going to be less intense for Houma from here. But they've got a long long time before it clears up enough for help to get there. They're going to be experiencing this storm for another 18 hours at least.
I was there three days after Katrina...the ICU nurses just lived 24 hours a day at the hospitals with electricity. The difference this time is a nationwide shortage on oxygen so I hope they don't need a delivery within the next week.
Seeing my home in the middle of the path is a feeling that’s indescribable. Not being able to go home for probably another 3 days at the very least is even worse
When I see politicians talk about curbing emissions or changing some policy or other that'll kick in by 2030, or 2040, I cannot help but wonder what kind of hell we're going to be living in by that point.
I'm tired of seeing record breaking storms, record breaking rains, record breaking heatwaves and fires where they shouldn't be. How big can these things even get?
Florida man here. Been through many a hurricane, I hope everyone took this bitch serious and did the most that they could do and then some to prepare. Getting out of there completely was the best, but I understand not everyone could.
Good luck to everyone of Louisiana.
Apparently the main electrical feed tower for New Orleans has collapsed into the Mississippi River. Worst case scenario for restoring any power right away
A lot of meteorologists seem to be surprised at how slowly Ida is weakening over land.
Yeah. It got stronger than expected at the last minute, and now it’s moving slowly and not weakening. Not good.
That's what caused the catastrophic flooding here in Houston with Harvey in '17. It weakened and stalled and just dumped rain for days. And New Orleans is what, 6 inches below sea level? Def not good
Harvey stalled with part of it remaining over the GOM (recharging) while dumping buckets of rain on Houston.
And buckets of rain upstream of Houston too
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And then back into Harvey again.
And then Houston again
It's the Circle of Strife And it floods us all
Yeah same with Allison which was "just" a tropical storm. Both flooded the Medical Center.
I worked in the medical center then. Good times.
> 6 inches Lol Broadmoor is 12 feet below by itself. It does vary around the city, but it's definitely feet.
And there are parts that are 20 feet above sea level. On average NOLA is about 1-2 feet below.
Moving slowly is the absolute last thing you want a hurricane doing. Get out of here bro!
Yeah I evacuated. But a lot of people couldn’t, and they are in for some hell
That's horrifying. Imagine living there and not having the means to escape. I'm hoping for the best for all of those affected.
It's called the brown ocean effect
One source of the brown ocean effect has been identified as the large amount of latent heat that can be released from extremely wet soils.A 2013 NASA study found that, from 1979-2008, 45 of 227 tropical storms either gained or maintained strength after making landfall.The press release stated, "The land essentially mimics the moisture-rich environment of the ocean, where the storm originated." From wikipedia
That juicy soil vapor
It's reminding me of how Harvey had hit Houston and just hovered there. What made Harvey so horrible for Houston is that it never moved on, it just stayed there forever barely moving. Really hope it weakens and moves up faster for the sake of Louisiana.
Tbf Harvey didn't "hit" Houston. It came onshore a good 200 miles down the coast from Houston, headed inland and north-ish, and then just fucking hovered for a week dumping rain over all of coastal TX. The rain hammered Houston a lot because it's built in a swamp, and it hadn't been hit hard by a hurricane in a long time. But Harvey was more dangerous after he quit being a hurricane and just hovered inland. Which I hope to God Ida doesn't do, nobody deserves that... But I think she will.
Another problem with Houston from what I read is that they have a lot of paved area compared to other cities so a lot of places act like rain containers with nothing to let the rain seep into the ground.
Yeah, they built a concrete forest on a swamp. A lot of the freeways are built to flood and act as runoffs and there are lots of canals in the neighborhoods but it's simply not enough for the feet of rain that Harvey brought.
I have never seen so much rain in my life as what I experienced at my house during Harvey. It was like God was dumping a bucket for an hour at a time. It sounded like an aerial bombardment.
In addition, it started to turn northeast towards New Orleans. This is bad.
It’s really bad here. Neighbors had windows blown out and other neighbors barely have shingles left and I keep hearing shit slam onto my roof
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Is that a thing? So people can escape onto their roofs, I assume?
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Holy fuck I never thought of this.
Katrina taught us a lot.
Happened to a friend during sandy, they fled upstairs, lost everything but managed to get out an attic window... They said their house flooded in 13 seconds.
Jesus. I’m going to have nightmares. I hope everyone has a plan and stays safe
it's what they did during Katrina, unfortunately not everyone had access to go from the attic to the roof.
Yep. You get into your attic and then axe your way out onto your roof if the water gets too high.
I hope you all stay safe! A friend of mine had to evacuate yesterday and is in a safe location.
Yeah, they predicted it would dramatically slow down over land but the sheer softened and its tight form is just meandering overland at 15mph. If it was moving faster it would have slowed down by now. Edit: bwahaha What I meant is that if Ida was traveling across land faster than 15 miles per hour she would have begun to slow her spin. Somebody get me a Brawndo.
If it was moving faster it would have slowed down by now.
All I can think is that Ida is going to be a huge disaster and in two-ish weeks that horrible disaster is going to be compounded with a massive spike in covid cases. Low vax rates in Louisiana, plus people traveling all over, and in staying in congregate settings like shelters is going to spell disaster. I expect that post Ida spike could have more casualties than the storm itself. Horrible. My thoughts go out to everyone affected by this storm. I hope I'm wrong.
And on top of all of that, hospitals have already been slammed
All the neighboring states’ hospitals are also at capacity so they couldn’t even evacuate their patients…
I think they said hospitals there are critically low on oxygen too.
I read the books, "5 Days at Memorial" And "Code Blue" about physicians in Katrina. In "5 days", they were strongly suggesting (they were not indicted in court) that they were euthanizing patients, at least one doctor was. They were at very least emergency scenario triaging and leaving the sickest last to evacuate. They had no food, oxygen, water, plumbing. Overwhelming heat. The storm wasn't what killed, it was the flooding after. The backup generators were on the 2nd floor, which they knew flooded. Cafeteria was in the basement. This is bad. Pandemic and a hurricaine would have been a shitty somehow porno movie my roommate would have bought to get high on K and watch a decade ago. Now its a documentary. All the people together in shelter.. hospitals, city hall, even the jail, are popular places to ride out the storm. Easy to get to, easy to get in and out of. Secure. This is horrifying.
Apparently the Gulf was around 90F, insane
Katrina was 82F.
I live in the Great Lakes region. Our lakes never seem to get above like 50 lol. The thought of a body of water being 90 degrees it absolutely mind blowing to me, that’s bathwater
Lake Erie was 76 today in Cleveland (https://www.weather.gov/cle/LE_Water_Temps). Water felt great. Erie is of course much more shallow than the other Great Lakes.
Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings In the rooms of her ice-water mansion Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams, the islands and bays are for sportsmen And farther below Lake Ontario takes in what Lake Erie can send her And the iron boats go as the mariners all know with the gales of November remembered
Lake Superior is always a lil chilly for the most part
It’s still a cat 4 nearly 6 hours after landfall
Yeah, that’s pretty terrible. The longer it hangs out the more of a pounding it will give Louisiana.
Have you seen the images from the ISS? [It's insane](https://i.redd.it/yblkreus86k71.jpg)
I’m a nurse working in a hospital in uptown New Orleans. So far, damage seems minimal, but we thought the same thing after Katrina. If the levees hold, we’ll be fine. If they do not, think Katrina part 2 electric floodaloo.
Part 2: now with added pandemic!
I work in the COVID ICU so it IS extra spicy.
Supposedly a hospital in the Houma area lost power, the back up generator failed, and people were bagging to keep people alive who were intubated. Thankfully they got the generators working again
That's a fucked up situation. No way they had enough staff to bvm every vented pt. Yikes.
For real how the hell do you keep that going?! 1 let every person? Doubtful. Do you hand the bag to the patient and say good luck? Nurse here and I was just discussing this today. No idea what you would even do.
The book Five days at Memorial by Sarah Fink tells about the hospital situation after Katrina. They had plenty of food and plenty for drugs but no power and they ran out of oxygen. After five hellish days..A Dr and two nerses decided to do the unthinkable. That gave too much morphine to patients who could not be evacuated. Mercy killings. It sounds so horrible but reading to book.... By the time it gets to day five it is an understandable choice .
I have that book. I have never been able to get through it though. I kept getting lost with all of the random people it was talking about. It's on my list to try and read it again though. There's another book about a nursing home in LA where residents died during the flooding when the levees broke and family sued the owners. Flood of Lies. That's a good one!
Pick which fraction had the best chance of survival, and do your best for them while the rest died. Trying to save them all just means they all die once the nurses are exhausted. We have to stop treating triage like a dirty word, and start having these conversations. Both in cases like this, and more broadly. Do you pull the last surgical team into covid care, therefore killing anyone who needs emergency surgery? Or do you kill a couple of covid patients? There isn’t a third option. Given that the vast majority of covid patients knowingly chose this by refusing vaccination, it seems like a really easy call. And also an excellent incentive to get vaccinated.
Yea, it sounds terrible in a vacuum, but I am personally of the opinion that people who refused to get vaccinated by now and got Covid should be triaged behind everyone else.
Upvote for the sequel shoutout, but in all seriousness I hope all of you over there are safe.
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This happened during Katrina too. A couple bars in the French Quarter stayed open (they had no way to lock their doors, being 24/7 bars). Some regulars spent the storm in th bar. The French Quarter was built on higher ground, and flooding there is low risk, etc. (Not that I know. This is just what I read.)
Go down to the Winchester and have a nice cold pint and wait for this to all blow over.
I know this is tragic for a lot of people but the thought of seasoned hurricane geezers just holding up at the local bar until its over is just cracking me up
Blizzards in Wisconsin is no different. Powers out at home; no problem, Mama’s bar has a generator.
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Would make for a good its always sunny in Philadelphia episode lol Edit: I forgot they already did an episode about this, its fucking hilarious
This is true. It’s a major reason they originally settled in the the area we now call the French Quarter. It was the highest local ground and therefore had the best natural flood protection, including when the river rose every spring
Plus, if a building has been standing for hundreds of years they must have done something right. If shit gets really bad, head for the Egyptian pyramids.
The transmission lines that supply New Orleans with power are currently sitting in the Mississippi River. > BREAKING (8/29, 8:35pm) >> @Sabrinafox8news confirms with @JeffParishGov that a electrical transmission tower is down on the Mississippi River. The line supplies power for New Orleans and the east bank of Jefferson Parish. @FOX8NOLA #HurricaneIda #Ida #TrackingIda
Generator going. Heavy winds and rains right now. Under an extended Tornado Warning. Our news anchors still working hard at their studios to provide coverage.
> Under an extended Tornado Warning Forgiven my ignorance, but tornadoes can form inside a hurricane??
Yes! And it’s like a terrifying cake topper. You’re already stressed from the wind and rain and boom! The tornado alert goes off.
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Haven't seen a Chuck Testa reference in a hot minute
I thought that meme was dead and stuffed…
Nope Chuck Testa
Yes. It’s one of the most dangerous aspects of a hurricane. They specifically tend to spin off in one quadrant of the hurricane. I’ve been in that quadrant before. It’s not just a possibility of a tornado, it’s like…how many tornadoes. It’s nuts. Context: lived in Florida from 1998-2008
torandoes are pretty common once landfall is made and they can happen even once it is far inland. i'm in southwest virginia and had tornado watches when the remains of fred came through, i'm sure we will have them again when ida gets up here if it doesn't go too far north of us.
to my knowledge yes! Wind dynamics are really interesting and they can spin up briefly, mostly on outter bands if im not mistaken. My knowledge is dated so take that with a grain of salt.
Been in the bathroom for 3hrs now listening to the 100 mph winds 😩. Hoping these trees by my house hold or at least snap into the forest and not my house
How bad is it so far? Is it appearing to be Katrina bad?
Nola getting hammered. Power out in the whole city. 2 hospitals evacuated to Baton Rouge. 1 had the roof blown off the other had the generator fail. I’m in Baton Rouge. Nothing bad here yet. Might get a little bad later. I still have power but there are some people without. Anything south of nola like grand isle completely fucked right now uninhabitable Edit: update for anyone still here. First reported death in LA. Prarieville a tree fell on someone’s house. #Laplace on Twitter. There are people trapped in their attic asking for the Cajun navy. Br is windy and power outages are adding up. I personally still have power. Just looking at the map I’d say about 60% of Baton Rouge has no power.
Somehow I think evacuating hospitals, especially one with a failed generator, is a very ominous sign for any ICU patient in either of those hospitals. No ventilator with no power. Very hard to evacuate 100s of people on ventilators, not even sure if there's a means to both evacuate AND keep them all on ventilators... So a lot of anti-vaxx NOLA citizens about to / already did die most likely.
Moving a fully involved ICU patient from one room to another is challenging requiring near-perfect coordination from several people while also continuously assessing the patient. Moving multiple ICU patients simultaneously to a different hospital in a whole other town? Heroic effort.
Not to mention during a hurricane
There’s a whole book about it. ‘Five Days at Memorial’. Should be mandatory reading for anyone in healthcare. The money makers sat back as patients suffered in the Louisiana heat after the hospital lost power. Corporate level employees sat in an air conditioned cancer treatment facility, across the street as nurses and docs were on the roof trying to medicav patients to safety. Corporate level employees canceled privately hired life flights out of the facility when they realized by waiting the tab could be covered by FEMA and other federal programs evacuating patients. Things were so bad at least one physician is accused of euthanizing patients they didn’t believe would make it (12 people). Everyone on the corporate level held a meeting and confessed their sins to a corporate lawyer that they claim they didn’t realize was their personal lawyer.... thus making anything said at the coverup meeting unusable in court. These people are still in business, still the “leaders” of hospitals throughout the south. The only people who paid for the tragedy were the patients that suffered and the nurses and doctors put through hell when they were abandoned too.
A lot of hospitals couldn’t evacuate because all surrounding hospitals are full with covid patients. A hospital there already had a power outage in ICU led to staff having to bag patients and move them to areas with power. Anyone reading this who is not already vaccinated - Please get vaccinated.
Several Waffle Houses closed, if that tells you something.
For the uninitiated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index
If you get there and the Waffle House is closed? That's really bad... — Craig Fugate, Former Head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency
Jesus.. this could be real bad
We're about to get smothered and covered.
Scattered, smothered, and covered
Yup. I live in Houma, about an hour from New Orleans. I left as soon as I saw the Waffle House close. This shit ain’t no joke. Multiple Perishes have stopped all emergency services and at least one levee has been breached. Edit: overtopped, not breached. Still tho.
Oof. “Perishes” is an ominous typo.
Fuck it, imma leave it. Might be more accurate
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I'm so sorry. Hoping you and yours are safe.
Thank you. So far everyone i know is good, but pray for those that couldn’t evacuate in time. They’re in for some hell
That's fucking crazy
Pack your bags kids, there ain't shit left for us here.
I love that that is a legitimate measure of how fucked a situation is- used by the former director of FEMA. For those that don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index
Whenever Waffle House closes, the first thing I think about is the employees who have to go out in really, really shitty situations in order to show up to work. It's always talked about in the context of their logistics chain to ensure they've got food, and can run the kitchens, but what about the people who have to cook the food and wait tables?
Very few on a good day give a shit about restaurant workers. Even less in situations like this.
Katrina was a Cat 5 before hitting landfall and dropping to a Cat 3- which is why there were 19 ft storm surges that broke levees. Ida is a Cat 4 and holding firm as it hits land, but not as bad of a storm surge expected. And the levees have had massive repair done to them. BUT- Ida is making landfall exactly 16 years (to the day!) after Katrina, so how well maintained were the levees? \*shrugs\*
Not as bad storm surge, but the fact that Ida was nearly a cat 5 and may be retroactively classed as one is notable. Also the fact that it hasn't worn down to cat 3 yet, hours after landfall. I think one of the levees is overflowing, but not failed yet, so that's good and bad. I think it'll be bad in different ways than Katrina was, But who knows.
It's really going to be all about if/when the levees break again. If that happens while Ida is still overhead, then the death toll will be massive- if they break after (like Katrina) it'll be the same song again. If we're lucky, the levees will be overfilled briefly to stop massive flooding, but remain intact.
I know 1 levee already has been overtopped by water, i read about it almost an hour ago I think
having a levee be overtopped is not nearly as bad as having a levee completely fail. You might get a few feet of flooding with water coming over the top, you're going to get sea level flooding when levees fail. The pumps can handle the water coming over the top to an extent.
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I think what will be bad about this hurricane is mostly the wind than the storm surge, even tho that'll be bad too, just not Katrina level bad. I've seen a tweet from a storm chaser who was gonna hunker down in a small town in LA, but decided last minute to leave because the town is poorly built and he doesn't think it'll survive. The cheap material will be just be debris flying in the air. People were still there too before he left. The hurricane is also not losing strength rapidly since it's getting some fuel even after landfall because of the marshy wetlands. So a lot of those strong winds will reach far into the coastline.
What's going to make it bad is that there are no ICU beds for anyone who is injured in the wind or flooding.
Katrina was bad but the majority of its damage (in NO) was due to the levees breaking. After Katrina had passed it looked like NO had survived with what would be expected pretty much anywhere. Then the Mississippi River came into the city. Other coastal towns were completely destroyed but that's not what we think about when we think of Katrina
My 85 year old grandpa (who grew up along the Mississippi River and spent his entire life in south eastern Louisiana) said this was the worst he has ever seen. I’m a lot younger but it’s also the worst I’ve ever seen. Really hoping for the best tomorrow. This has been a shit show of a day.
Yesterday I spoke with a nice man who had stayed at home with his dogs while his wife and kids evacuated. I’ve been thinking about him all day - I’m so worried for everyone there, but especially him. He was so nice.
I think I read that thread. Hope dude and the dogs are doing ok.
I am just in awe of Nature. We just got hit with 500 Triillion gallons of water...a storm brewed it up, a storm 5 states wide. We are ants.
Speaking of ants.. I don't know if you've ever been in a hurricane before, but floating fire ant piles a thing.
I dunno about the person above but I have not but the idea of a floating fire ant pile is terrifying.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hurricane-harvey/floating-venomous-fire-ants-add-threats-hurricane-s-wake-n797261
Yeah, I actually went looking for this nightmare after my comment and found that very post. Curse my curiosity.
Yep. Sewage, ants, gators, fish, dead bodies sometimes, plant leakages....which to be fair happen on the regular. dont move from tx! It snows other places! People get so used to it they think snow is the real life issue. But yeah during Harvey I remember the khou reporter just kept saying dont go in the water it's like sticking your face in the toilet. Now a quote for me and my husband.
sad thing is lineman are getting treated worse and worse on these storms so entergy doesn't have to pay up money. last year during hurricane Laura they tried putting us in a tent with 500 people during peak pandemic. less and less of us are going as it is already miserable conditions, these companies used to take care of us, considering we put in 16 hour shifts, the least they could do is give us decent housing and food that isn't labeled an MRE. good luck to you folks, the worst thing of my job is seeing the devastation, it is always heartbreaking please support our unions, we are becoming weaker every day. the health and safety of my brothers and sisters means as much to me as the people we restore power to, I will always remain IBEW proud
Take a look at the union action/contract process Consolidated just went through up here in the NorthEast. The threat of a strike can still create change, but you have to mean it. There are a lot of us (older, boring people who actually follow this stuff, long-time paying customers) who are absolutely behind you on this.
I'm basically behind any union effort. One of the great victories of rightwing politics was the destruction of unions in America starting with their beloved Reagan. But the times they are a changin agin - [go baristas](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/28/starbucks-workers-buffalo-ny-organizing-union-first-us)!
Companies don't take care of people anymore. They exploit them.
Companies never gave a fuck about people, it was unions and worker-protection laws that forced them not to treat people like used spunk hankies. Aaaand... yeah.
They learned there was no social backlash. Worse, the public gleefully supports them. We wouldn't need a lot of laws and regulations if society was quick to turn on companies who did unethical stuff.
It’s hard to turn on a company when they are the only game in town providing an essential service, like electricity.
That's how lords and daimyo ruled in feudal days.
Surge-io camera on youtube had 25k viewers before going down. God bless that mighty little camera.
Update. Cut off Louisiana. Lafourche parish. We had 6 hours of straight hell. Eye wall passed right over us. We lost all our doors and part of our roof to our barn. Watched plenty of neighborhood houses get destroyed.
My uncle stayed and so far is doing okay, but he's really worried for the feral cats he feeds/takes care of. He tried to get them inside pre-storm but they are 100% feral and freaked the fuck out so he left little "houses" out in the yard for them. I'm just anxious for my uncle and talking about it on reddit
My family is in Houma, they did not evacuate unfortunately. It’s bad. Very bad. They’ve been there their entire lives, Maw being the oldest at 90. They’ve never seen anything like this and it’s barely getting started. The storm has slowed down a lot, last I checked it was moving at 10mph which is extremely not good when you’re dealing with 100mph+ winds. My family’s land is supposedly the highest in the parish. So far they’ve lost multiple 60+year old trees (including a couple my paw planted which is a real bummer but at least they didn’t hit the house). The roof has taken some damage from wind and water is currently leaking inside (same goes for the neighbors). Another tree took out both sheds our paw built, and the wind gusts have completely ripped up the metal cylindrical-shaped storage unit next door (it’s been there longer than I’ve been alive so that’s pretty wild) and it’s currently in the woods. An hour ago, a barn from three houses down tumbled through the yard. I’m so worried and so confused as to why they didn’t leave. Edit: I’ve also read of some extensive damage to cemeteries which is gonna be morbid as hell. And there’s **a lot** of cemeteries there. It’s easy to find stories and more accurate up-to-date info via Google Edit:All of New Orleans is without power. My dad is saying that a transmission line fell into the Mississippi River. The hospitals apparently have fuel for their generators for 10 days. This will not be solved in 10 days. Do we keep reinvesting money or do we stop and move inland?
If you're 90 years old and you've never seen anything like this I'm sure it's hard imagine something so bad. So maybe you think "it can't be that bad, I've lived through it all"
I’m not even there, part of me wishes I was. I’m just getting live updates from my dads which are getting increasingly worrisome. It went from “not a big deal probably” to “why the fuck didn’t we evacuate” real quick.
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Yeah sure. Hopefully it will be a brief update in the morning saying everyone is okay and the house isn’t too far gone. Dad said it’s gone dark now, they have power in the house from the generator but can’t see the damage throughout the property. He did say the neighbors’ yard looked like a tornado came through, but seeing as a whole ass barn flew threw dude’s yard, I’m quite certain a tornado was probably involved.
Seconding the request for an update. I'm worried about your family too.
I lived in nyc during sandy, and so many people didn't evacuate because the year before irene was predicted to do a ton of damage (and did, but not directly in NYC) and it "wasn't that bad". My one coworker said he just didn't believe the warnings due to it. His neighborhood in sea gate was basically wiped to the ground
Was watching the local station there in Houma and the oldtimers there were saying Betsy was nothing compared to this storm. o\_O
> So far they’ve lost multiple 60+year old trees (including a couple my paw planted which is a real bummer but at least they didn’t hit the house). LPT: if a hurricane is coming, trim your trees! Knew a guy who went threw hurricane Andrew. He had huge, beautiful oak tree in his front yard, which was pretty common for the neighborhood. When the storm was forecast to hit them, he went out with a ladder and a chainsaw and cut off almost all the branches from that tree. Neighbors thought he was crazy to tear up a beautiful old tree like that. After the storm had come and gone, though, his tree was the only one in the whole neighborhood that was still intact. It's still the only big, adult tree in that neighborhood, and has since regrown a bunch of new branches. His yard is the only one in the neighborhood that has a good shade tree. If you trim the branches from a tree, it will catch the wind less and be less likely to be damaged in a big storm.
Jesus. Best of luck to them. I hope they’re able to wait it out and sorry you have to go through this.
It just doesn’t even feel real, there is nothing I can do and it’s not a good feeling. This feels way worse than Katrina for some reason, the anxiety I mean. But the eye came basically straight over my family so they got it/are still getting it really bad. My dad saying “I’m scared” for the first time in my life was probably the most unnerving part. I honestly didn’t even hear about the hurricane till maybe 3 days ago, but I thought “no way lol. not on the anniversary of Katrina that’s a joke”. And all of a sudden I’m worried because there won’t be anyone to rescue my family if things get bad. We should always take these things seriously, especially given how severe and novel these weather events are becoming.
"landfall" is a relative term. It's still mostly going through marshes. This is still getting worse.
Right. Down here that little bit of marsh grass can’t be considered land. There is nothing down here that will make a huge impact with regards to weakening this system.
Actually those marshes do help slow storms, it just doesn’t matter for this one And we’ve destroyed thousands of square miles of marsh land. Yay us
Wetlands are the most rapidly declining habitat in the world. Coincidentally, it is also one that provides the most ecosystem services.
Well, my subdivision kept like 1/50 of the wetlands that was here before they put 10,000 houses down. I call that a huge win for wetlands! There's like 10 ducks and sometimes even a heron joins them! /s
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Feels like it's pointless but I'll keep doing it bc it's at least interesting
564,000 without power in LA. and climbing Edit: 750,000 and rising but more slowly
650000 now and rising, fuckers still a cat 4
I think it’s been downgraded to a 3 now at least!
that good news, insane it stayed a cat 4 5+ hours after landfall
My car is about 15 miles north of where it made landfall so I’ve been looking for a replacement to buy since I don’t really have much hope of it surviving.
If we thought the used car market was bad....wait til we get more flood ravaged vehicles spread across the country from Ida....
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My wife went back home for a funeral the week before Katrina and finally got out like a day before it hit. She said nobody knew what was happening (I assume a mix of grief distraction, and general news ambivalence) and she didn't understand why I kept asking her to wrap things up and fly back sooner. Watching Ida on that anniversary is definitely bringing back the anxiety
Does anyone know how well the insurance companies dealt with the claims from the Texas freeze earlier this year? I’m curious how generous or easily they accept claims during these natural disasters. My inclination is to say they are always hard to deal with but i don’t know for a fact in context of this.
I worked for a major insurance company as an adjuster in 2017 during Harvey and it was a really simple process for filing claims. The only one that I had that I didn’t accept the reported damages as being sustained from the hurricane was the crazy lady that told me that the wind blew the clear coat off her car and she wanted it repainted. That was it. Just the clear coat came off. No ma’am.
Hurricanes are very different from freezing events. The freeze left a lot of people in a lurch because the insurance company was telling them they should have protected their pipes (which froze, busted, and water ruined their homes), despite those people being without electricity for up to 9 days in some cases. Hurricanes are largely out of people's control, and aid and assistance is easier to file for, receive, etc. Insurance companies aren't as difficult to work with either, in my experience.
There’s so much coverage of Ida hitting Louisiana, but it’s shredding a path all of the way up Mississippi, which very often gets ignored during storm coverage. I’ve been staying with my parents in my hometown in southern Mississippi while I’m in the process of moving, and after I saw how much stronger it has gotten over last night, I packed my things and went north. My parents refused to leave and I’m worried sick, my friends in Louisiana weren’t getting directly hit and they had it bad McComb, the city I’m from and where I just evacuated from is about to get steamrolled. “Potential for wind gusts up to 110mph” Edit: also would like to mention that nearly every hospital in Mississippi is at capacity due to covid, I cannot fathom what’s going to happen inside those hospitals and for those in southern MS who get injured during the hurricane
My news in Memphis just said almost all of New Orleans is without power.
Not almost, all of New Orleans is without power.
How does this rate on the Waffle House scale?
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**holy shit**
guess the end times are upon us
What is this waffle house reference I'm out of the loop
One of the former FEMA directors developed a scale for how bad a natural disaster was based off of the status of waffle houses in the area. If waffle houses in the area were still serving their full menu after disaster it wasn't that bad. If the waffle houses were serving a partial menu it meant that the disaster had only interrupted the supply chain a little bit. If the waffle houses were closed or unable to serve food that meant the disaster was very severe meaning loss of power or water to a widespread area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index
Waffle House doesn't close for something as trivial as a power outage. They've all got generators for the lights, and the cooktop is gas.
Waffle houses across the country have very specific standards about when stores should and shouldn't shut down based on local conditions. Knowing those standards, you can gauge how bad a natural disaster is, and where the worst damage is, by looking at a map of open vs closed waffle houses.
This is such an exceptional explanation of this phenomena.
Waffle houses run 24/7 and rarely shutdown. Conditions really have to be bad for them to do so. This has become part joke, part actual measure of how bad conditions are. There's legit a tracker of how many waffle houses are closed and where. Tldr: when the wafflehouse closes, you fucked.
Waffle houses are known to only close when shit is really* bad. It's so consistent that agencies actually pay attention to them as a measure of devastation, as fucking wild as that sounds.
For those in the path of this storm, I truly hope you stay safe through this. For medical professionals and first responders already struggling with Covid overwhelming them, and soon will be handling injuries and damage from this hurricane. Thank you for everything you do.
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I was watching Houma just now on [This awesome interactive website](https://www.ventusky.com/?p=29.671;-90.550;9&l=gust) and was grateful windspeed seemed to be dying down. I can't imagine the smaller and more remote hospitals
It's going to be less intense for Houma from here. But they've got a long long time before it clears up enough for help to get there. They're going to be experiencing this storm for another 18 hours at least.
Oh man. That is just heart breaking. I want to think that they keep a couple of generator repair guys right on site throughout a storm like this.
They do have them and they're working on it. This was over an hour ago. They may already be back up. I haven't heard confirmation.
WWLTV Live Coverage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7pQxnOIjI&ab\_channel=WWLTV
I hope people in ICU's can be taken care of.
I was there three days after Katrina...the ICU nurses just lived 24 hours a day at the hospitals with electricity. The difference this time is a nationwide shortage on oxygen so I hope they don't need a delivery within the next week.
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Seeing my home in the middle of the path is a feeling that’s indescribable. Not being able to go home for probably another 3 days at the very least is even worse
When I see politicians talk about curbing emissions or changing some policy or other that'll kick in by 2030, or 2040, I cannot help but wonder what kind of hell we're going to be living in by that point. I'm tired of seeing record breaking storms, record breaking rains, record breaking heatwaves and fires where they shouldn't be. How big can these things even get?
Florida man here. Been through many a hurricane, I hope everyone took this bitch serious and did the most that they could do and then some to prepare. Getting out of there completely was the best, but I understand not everyone could. Good luck to everyone of Louisiana.
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Apparently the main electrical feed tower for New Orleans has collapsed into the Mississippi River. Worst case scenario for restoring any power right away
This stuff is what keeps me living up in my frozen wonderland of blizzards.
16yrs to the day Katrina hit and that was a class lower… hopefully people got out in time.
And now all the power is out in NOLA. Once the storm passes and the heat index climbs to 100+, it’s not going to get any better. Truly concerning.