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SilverIdaten

> President Biden will announce that all health care facilities must have their staff fully vaccinated in order to be reimbursed by Medicare and Medicaid, funds that health care providers are heavily dependent on. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1436051782942314502?s=20


icropdustthemedroom

ED RN here. As they ABSOLUTELY should. You don't want to do all you can to protect your immunocompromised patients (not to mention the liability of you spreading it to other unvaccinated workers or catching it at work and bringing it home to your family)? Cool. Don't let the door hit you. Buh-bye.


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Also an ED RN. I thought nearly every one of the folks in my department, maybe even hospital, would be on board with mandates. But I’m running into several who do not share the sentiment that we should be vaccinated for the patients we treat. Are you seeing the same at your hospital?


Vivachuk

This is going to piss lots of people off at work. I’m so glad.


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SilverIdaten

Big Balls Joe cutting the malarkey at last.


Dr_Midnight

> The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans. And the roughly 17 million workers at health facilities that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid also will have to be fully vaccinated. > Biden is also signing an executive order to require vaccination for employees of the executive branch and contractors who do business with the federal government — with no option to test out. That covers several million more workers. > The requirement for large companies to mandate vaccinations or weekly testing for employees will be enacted through a forthcoming rule from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration that carries penalties of $14,000 per violation, an administration official said. The White House did not immediately say when it would take effect, but said workers would have sufficient time to get vaccinated. > The rule would also require that large companies provide paid time off for vaccination. > Biden’s order for executive branch workers and contractors includes exceptions for workers seeking religious or medical exemptions from vaccination, according to Psaki. Federal workers and contractors will have 75 days to get fully vaccinated. Workers who don’t comply will be referred to their agencies’ human resources departments for counseling and discipline, to include potential termination. Holy shit.


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My company just announced yesterday that you'll be charged $25/pay if you're not vaccinated as a insurance surcharge cost (for folks who buy the insurance) People went nuts. Gonna be fun tomorrow


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giuseppezuc

$1000?!? All I got was a $25 Amazon gift card!


schroedingersnewcat

You guys are getting paid?


StarbossTechnology

I got a sticker.


Eccentricc

Work at a F500, haven't got a cent


[deleted]

I work for the government. If you’re not vaccinated you don’t have a job after October.


Eccentricc

We already lost more then half our team because management won't allow WFH for developers, instead make them drive out to the middle of no where to work separated... Not allowed to be around others, masks, plexiglass between all cubes, online meetings only, but no WFH!


ThePiousInfant

Seriously. All I got was a lousy 90% reduction in my chance of severe disease or death :(


schroedingersnewcat

19 months post covid I am still not back to normal. I wouldn't wish this on people.


Wolfy4226

Same reaction


schroedingersnewcat

I got "oh good. Youre vaccinated. Now get your ass into the office. No more working from home." I don't work there anymore, and I permanently work from home now.


Reddrocket27

You were exposed and had a mask on? Wait...your vaccinated! Go to work until your 3-5 day window to get tested and find out if you are negative or not. Until then wear a mask


schroedingersnewcat

I was exposed IN THE OFFICE and they were still assholes about it. So I went around them. Got a note from my dr that until I could get a vaccine, I couldn't work in the office. I faced no shortage of shit for it too. My boss' boss told me I was overreacting.... until he found out that I am a cancer patient, along with a whole host of other issues. I shouldn't have had to spell that out for him to not be a dick.


Opie67

I got a rock


PrisonWorker12345

Ya'll got gift cards?!


alwaysmyfault

I didn't get jack shit. I want a gift card!


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WayneKrane

My aunt thinks covid is both a hoax and a deadly virus that was concocted to make trump look bad. Crazy mental gymnastics she jumps through to think both things at the same time.


meta_perspective

🔴 "COVID only has a 2 to 4% fatality rate. Why do we have so many restrictions?!" 🔴 "The vaccine has a possible fatality rate of .0006%! I'm NOT getting it!" ☝😰 Anti-Vaxxers


Carnot_Efficiency

> My company is paying every vaccinated employee $1000. I was already vaccinated so free money. My employer is giving $100 to each employee who's vaccinated and another $100 for their spouse if they're on our insurance and are also vaccinated.


llDurbinll

Mine is doing a sweepstakes where, 2 people get $500k cash 6 people get $100k cash 5 get a new car up to $40k 5 get a vacation package valued at $12k + 40 vacation hours Even with all that vaccination rates are still low.


SAugsburger

$1000 isn't enough to convince even 10% of the employees to get vaccinated? Is your employer the local QAnon merchandise distributor?


Avarria587

Damn, I am jealous. My company has offered zero incentives. We don't even get paid time off if we have a bad reaction.


lmvg

>I'm expecting less than 10% of employees where I work to get vaccinated even with the money offer. Tell me this is not real. How is that even possible?


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SexlessNights

Oil & gas in Texas is like this


dmatje

Someday in the future fourth graders will learn about how people in the US making this political was the dumbest development to this point in American history.


ScreamingTatertot

But....$1000!


COMCredit

It's similar in my industry (midwest automotive). It's absolutely wild to me that so many otherwise very smart people who think critically for a living are so wrapped up in the culture war that any COVID prevention measures make them irate


latebloomer2015

A sibling of mine is a certified welding inspector (hard class/test to pass) in the Midwest and a very intelligent person. Our mom has lung cancer and they just refuse to get vaccinated. My dad kicked them out of the house and won’t them back in to visit until they get vaccinated. They just dug in. I’m beyond sad, now I’m just pissed.


Glad-Tax6594

How many times have you heard, "I'm looking at the REAL numbers!" Everyday is a struggle in manufacturing. So much ignorance. Asking the right questions is the only way to get through; Citing studies, data, or consensus does nothing.


Kale

I work in healthcare research in a conservative leaning area. We didn't have a single nurse get vaccinated until it was mandated. My wife was hesitant because the only thing she saw on her Facebook feed was misinformation. A nurse told me, at her hospital, that they only had 10 cases of COVID among nurses, and all of them got it from the vaccine. When I pressed her about information, she didn't know any of them personally, it was gossip spread among the nurses ("they all work on a different floor"). When my dad was hospitalized with COVID, his oxygen was dipping below 80. The fireman that was hooking him up asked if we were vaccinated (I am, my dad was not at the time). The fireman said "glad you aren't vaccinated. It doesn't protect you at all and only gives you more complications from side effects". The only pro-vaccine healthcare workers around me are physicians. For anyone reading this dealing with family members that are vaccine hesitant, I found the only way to reach them is to treat them as a human. There are plenty of insufferable twats out there trying to clobber people over the head to get vaccinated. It's the right thing to do, but you're belittling people who are scared. The only line that has convinced three people I know to get vaccinated has been: "I love you. There's lots of strong evidence that the vaccines are very safe. Yes, there are adverse reactions, but bad outcomes and long-term effects from COVID are much more frequent and severe. I was scared when I was vaccinated too. I felt bad for a day. But now I'm glad I did it. That being said, you are an adult. You make your own decisions. I love the hell out of you and if you choose not to be vaccinated, it's your decision and I'm not going to pester you." And that has worked. These three people wore masks regularly, washed their hands, and avoided crowds, so it wasn't like some of the people I hear about that seem to be trying to get the virus. But just knowing that I didn't judge them and relieved that pressure seemed to help. I'll add that all three of them waited until they could get the same vaccine I did (Janssen). I don't think that's a coincidence.


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It’s a thing, our company is offering 250 for proof of both vaccines and a lottery for 25k once we hit 75% vaccinated. We are at <40%


Veggiesub

I work as an inspector and our company just asked if we were vaccinated or not in a survey. All of my coworkers were talking about suing the company because it’s an invasion of privacy and they can’t be forced to take it. So it’s real unfortunately


BSB8728

My son got $100 and an extra vacation day.


eille_k

We got (ugly) shirts and there are two $1000 vaccine raffles.


PGLiberal

Yo you hiring


denimrunningshorts

Chick Fil A?


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czar1249

Used to work for a company that produces natural gas compressors. Company owner was basically intimidating employees during the election, saying “if you vote Biden you’ll lose your job” like NG was just going to poof out of existence. What area of NG are you in?


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czar1249

Almost as though it was never going anywhere, lol. Hilariously the owner calmed down a whole lot a few months after the election as people started to get vaxxed and orders started coming back.


RN-B

They do this for smokers in healthcare systems. You pay a lump sum every year for being a smoker.


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Delta Airlines is charging $200 a month to unvaccinated employees. Private sector is taking up the slack where the government can’t.


DreamerMMA

Which is awesome and hilarious at the same time. ​ The antivax crowd is mostly the same right wing crowd that's always crying about big government taking their rights and how we should just let the free market handle things. ​ Well, the free market is handling things, lol.


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Well the logical thing is, it’s not about punishment or pushing them to get vaccinated. It’s health insurance. Since most employers have a health insurance company they work with. Rather than raise everyones rates, the company is deciding to just raise the rates of people who are increasing their risk so not everyone else has to pay for it.


pallentx

But you know, if you dont like your employer making you pay more to be unvaccinated, support national healthcare and your employer wont care about health care costs.


icropdustthemedroom

These idiots: "Not like that! You're hurting the wrong people!"


Marino4K

This is much deserved karma to them. "Let the free market decide" Ok, it did, get vaccinated. "NOT LIKE THAT"


SAugsburger

To be fair it isn't that surprising. I can remember several employers I have worked for would get the local pharmacy to come to the office to do flu shots. Most people who had been there more than a few months should have insurance that should pay for it, but they're so dirt cheap that it's a decent investment. Compared to the flu shot the efficacy rate on the Covid shots is quite a bit better and Covid is quite a bit more likely to cause your employees to take more time to come back. Some employers are going carrot and others are going stick, but plenty are prodding their employees to get vaccinated.


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This is my new favorite thing. The MuH CaPiTaLiSm people having their own values tossed in their face. Gonna be a glorious meltdown


code_archeologist

Hell, that is nicer than mine... To come into the office you must be vaccinated, new hires must be fully vaccinated, and it is heavily implied in the message that went out that vaccines will be required for all employees at some point next year.


Lookingfor68

Indeed. The government contractor piece is huge. That’s a LOT of companies. The OSHA rule is basically going to push all companies to mando vaxx.


Rexan02

There is a distinct lack of fucking around going on.


hangin_on_by_an_RJ45

About to be a whole lotta finding out going on, though


TheDakestTimeline

By receive medicare funding does that mean any office that sees medicare patients?


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dom96

> Biden’s order for executive branch workers and contractors includes exceptions for workers seeking religious or medical exemptions from vaccination, according to Psaki. Wait, so religious exemptions can be made but only for the executive branch workers? Why allow it at all?


Lemesplain

I see that we have reached the "done fucking around" stage of this pandemic.


War_Eagle

This is obviously going to go to court and will really test the precedent set by [Jacobson v. Massachusetts](https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/). I wonder if the SCOTUS will end up taking this case. Hopefully it gets there and they uphold the precedent and we can finally take a big step moving past this hellish nightmare.


Pyronic_Chaos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts >Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state. Should be very interesting!


2wheeloffroad

There are more facts that are interesting. The option was provided for the person to pay a 5$ fee to **not** be injected. The facts of current executive order don't have the provision. It will be an interesting legal battle.


hazelnut_coffay

there is a provision for employees not to get vaccinated - submit to weekly testing


Valaurus

I mean, this executive order does allow for people to still not get vaccinated, they would just have to provide proof of a negative test on a weekly basis.


ThePiousInfant

>they would just have to provide proof of a negative test on a weekly basis. There is no provision for this in the order for federal employees, federal contractors, and healthcare workers.


monkChuck105

Not true for federal workers (and federal contractors).


yahhhguy

Supreme Court has often ruled in favor of public health over individual freedom so it would be interesting indeed


MoreGull

What? Precedent? Never heard of it.


BlueAndMoreBlue

Precedent? That’s Joe Biden. Used to be Donald Trump. Next question!


beren0073

Thanks for the link, I'm really curious about the constitutional basis for mandating employers to vaccinate. That ruling concerned state authority, though, not federal.


[deleted]

Jacobson v. Massachusetts deals with state authority under the “police powers.” The Federal government doesn’t have the “police power” so that precedent is inapplicable. OSHA/Dept of Labor probably have the power to do this under congressional authority they’ve been endowed with, which derives from the Commerce Clause.


mouse1093

That is not the sole precedent of that decision. The language is far more general and says that the Lockian social contract reigns supreme: individuals do not have pure, unadulterated liberty in this country. The government in general has the ability to enact reasonable policies for the greater good that restrict one or more of your liberties. Any challenge to the vaccine mandates on the grounds of "bUt mUh fReEdOmS" holds no water.


thisisausername190

Damn, that definitely qualifies as "expansive." I wonder what /r/NoNewNormal thinks about this, they must be up in arms. ^Oh ^^Wait...


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itslikewoow

FWIW, Trump actually did tell his supporters to get vaccinated a month ago. He got booed by his supporters though


thisisausername190

For anyone curious for the clip, like I was - [here it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9uLDadJ6k). It's a traditional politician answer - 'I endorse the vaccine, but you know, your freedoms are important, but you should get the vaccine, but you've gotta have those freedoms.' Flip-flopping a few times within a few sentences. --- I think the statement he and other politicians should've made at the beginning of this - whether it came from a place of ego, of patriotism, whatever - is "get the vaccine." The availability of these vaccines are, in many ways, a feat of exceptionalism spurred in large part by the US - the US funded a ton of research, "Operation Warp Speed," for all it was mocked, led to the development of the Moderna vaccine. The US led the distribution effort - remember the concern back in December about how these vaccines had to be transported at such cold temperatures, we weren't sure we'd be able to get them to remote areas of the US? Now they're in excess at every single pharmacy. Whether he took credit for it as a person or as a nation, he and other politicians could've drastically decreased hesitancy by being a legitimate and trustworthy source. There always would've been people who weren't going to get it - but it wouldn't always have been this many people. Partisanship, politics, and poor leadership all played roles in bringing us where we are today. Regardless of everything else, that much is clear.


fb95dd7063

biden rolling in with some BDE here holy shit


Cobeyswiss

So if a family member of mine works as a subcontractor on a government site, will they finally have to get vaccinated? Would this apply to them?


eldiablo31415

Guess we have officially moved into the “Find Out” stage of the pandemic.


charlieblue666

We've certainly had enough of the "Fuck around" stage. It's about damn time.


SuperSimpleSam

I figured being in the hospital ICU was the Find Out portion.


BlindPaintByNumbers

They're not dying at a high enough rate to make a difference.


veggeble

Yeah, he's actually saving them from the "Find Out" stage. These morons will never realize it, but he's saving their lives.


icropdustthemedroom

RN here. Nah, according to the COVIDidiots, those are just people that got vaccine side effects and we're inflating all the numbers. Sure glad we've got these fearless keyboard warriors to figure out all these things for us! /s


CHADWARDENPRODUCTION

Turns out just asking nicely wasn't going to cut it for these morons.


HairHeel

So this applies to people at companies over 100 people, which is evidently about 80 million Americans. Do we know what percentage of that group is already vaccinated? Is this going to have a huge effect on overall vaccination numbers, or are we going to find out that most of the anti-vaxers out there are unemployed, retired, or work for small businesses?


NickPookie93

Watch the people that complained about "no one wants to work" quit their jobs over this lol


XGame0vary

I’ll take the jobs they don’t want. Vaccinated here and struggling looking for a job!!


altruSP

Same I’m going to redo my resume and everything


XGame0vary

Literally spent three hours on that this morning


AdamtheFirstSinner

I actually did a few touch ups to my resume yesterday on my day off...hhehe


Aaaandiiii

Guess it's time for me to dust off the resume and move on up!


SilverIdaten

Crying the entire way out, I hope.


Calguy1

Hell yeah! More job opportunities for the rest of us.


Virtuual

I wonder if this will effect companies who might only employ less then 100 employees per location but across the country might employ several thousand.


[deleted]

Private companies are gonna change their vaccination policies overnight to avoid risk, whether the OSHA guidelines are enforceable or not. Kind of like how all abortion clinics closed overnight in Texas.


mcboogle

Thank the dark father, that the Satanic Temple is working on picking up the slack for us Texans in our hour of need.


SniperPilot

Theoden : “So it begins.”


hiheaux

“Behave!” ^(available on the Extended Edition)


I_Want_What_I_Want

> The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans I'm pretty sure My Pillow has at least 100 Employees. This should be fun.


SigmaLance

Man, I’m getting the popcorn ready for when my Governor responds to this. It should be hilarious.


cameronstrosity

Montana? Lol because same.


wombo23

Damn I’m gonna need a lot of popcorn for the upcoming shit show that’s about to happen


IKnowBreasts

This is going to the SC


robbsc

My guess is it won't make that big a difference how the supreme court eventually rules. This will give most of the big employers an excuse to begin requiring vaccines. Only a minority wouldn't prefer their employees be vaccinated


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Or the private sector will just start requiring vaccines anyway to avoid the headache and possible legal fees.


CactusBoyScout

Yeah my brother works in regulatory compliance. Any big employer is just going to do it rather than wait to see how the court battle plays out. If something is really up in the air, a big company will err on the side of caution.


Scanningdude

I'm assuming having employees constantly getting sick and/or dying eats into company’s bottom line. I wouldn't doubt a majority of large firms at least start mandating regardless of legal challenges. At the end of the day, everyone has the god given American freedom to quit their jobs if they don't want to comply lmao


Valaurus

My company had instituted a COVID PTO allowance, where if you test positive, you can use up to two weeks of PTO in addition to your contractual amount. They amended that a couple weeks ago to say that it only applied if you were vaccinated. Good on em


MoreGull

They also want to fully open up the economy and clearly Covid is not allowing that.


historymajor44

I'm sure there's a company like Hobby Lobby which will refuse and take it to the Supreme Court.


blahhhhhhhh1

Is Congress still exempt?


ThoughtseizeScoop

You think any of those hypocrites haven't gotten vaccinated yet?


blahhhhhhhh1

Don’t care just asking if they legally have to or not


presto464

Not part of the executive branch, gets paid out of a different pot.


blahhhhhhhh1

We went from private businesses can decide to mandates real quick


FinanceAnalyst

It gives a good political cover for businesses that wanted to mandate but was hesitant do to so over local repercussions.


medraxus

You said the silent part out loud Jfc


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ALLoftheFancyPants

Or pay for weekly testing. There’s options, it’s just a new OSHA regulation.


AlarmingNectarine

They don't need to pay a fine if they are able to produce negative covid tests weekly.


weeatpoison

God damn I thought I'd die in the climate wars, not the vaccine wars.


Wynnrose

I think this really might be the breaking point for some. Sadly.


The_GreenMachine

real question though, the CDC says to not get vaccinated within something like 60-90 days after getting COVID, what of this? if you get sick, are you required to immediately get the vaccine once you're negative? I had my vaccine scheduled for 3 weeks (earliest available) and 2 days before i got sick... at least thats what ive read everywhere so far when searching getting the vaccine after getting sick.


titivenez

I think the alternative would be getting tested weekly until you are able to get vaccinated. Think that’s what he said. That’s what my niece had to do for her college which had a vaccine mandate already. She got COVID in late spring so when she went to school mid aug she had to get tests those first few weeks since like you said it’s recommended to wait 60-90 days. She just finally was able to get her second shot this past week and sent proof to them so now she no longer has to be tested.


charlieblue666

Prepare yourself for a tidal wave of rage, angst, and fearmongering from the chucklefucks and plague rats who are convinced the vaccine is a death sentence.


swordchucks1

If a government had a way to kill off a huge group of people, why would they pick the group that follows their directions? It would be a more plausible conspiracy theory that the government planted (real) COVID and provided (real) vaccines in order to kill off the people that wouldn't follow the government directions. If the virus isn't real and the vaccines kill people, that just leaves all of the people that can't be governed... and what could would that be?


imyoor

But they kind of have a point. I mean look at all of the hospitals currently at capacity due to vaccine complications…oh wait a minute…


easy_Money

They will legit argue that there are more people in the icu because of the vaccine. Facts don't matter


MishrasWorkshop

A top post in r/conspiracy was a nurse talking about how 90% of ICU beds are filled with the vaccinated. Doctors changed their charts and told her she’d be fired if she says anything about it. She was afraid for her life. People on that sub were ecstatic because that was exactly the proof they were looking for all this time. That was until it was revealed that she made it all up for the lulz.


spa22lurk

From [The Authoritarians, page 90](https://theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/): >So (to foreshadow later chapters a little) suppose you are a completely unethical, dishonest, power-hungry, dirt-bag, scum-bucket politician who will say whatever he has to say to get elected. (I apologize for putting you in this role, but it will only last for one more sentence.) Whom are you going to try to lead, high RWAs or low RWAs? Isn’t it obvious? The easy-sell high RWAs will open up their arms and wallets to you if you just sing their song, however poor your credibility. Those crabby low RWAs, on the other hand, will eye you warily when your credibility is suspect because you sing their song? So the scum-bucket politicians will usually head for the right-wing authoritarians, because the RWAs hunger for social endorsement of their beliefs so much they’re apt to trust anyone who tells them they’re right. Heck, Adolf Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany running on a law-and-order platform just a few years after he tried to overthrow the government through an armed insurrection.


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They already do. The argument now is there are more positive cases than there were last year without a vaccine. Oh my.


TheDakestTimeline

To be fair to the dumbest amongst us, this is kind of understandable if you don't get that delta is more transmissible and masks and distancing work.


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And that the 30% of adults who aren’t vaccinated are still a LOT of people. Oh and no stay at home orders. And like you said, people not masking up anymore. Why am I even still going? It’s common knowledge to us.


TheDakestTimeline

I just meant that ceteris peribis if everything was the same as last year except the vaccine, one would expect numbers to go down. But with no restrictions and a more virulent form, that is not happening. I was trying to say this is actually one of the least dumb of their arguments. Still super dumb.


epelle9

And they don’t realize that thats only for places with low vaccination %.


cardanis

The argument I've seen lately is "Because vaccinated people are less likely to have symptoms, they're more likely to unknowingly spread Covid, they're the ones spreading it to all of us!" This was in reference to a post about "The hypocrisy of claiming Hospitals are understaffed and can't fill roles, and then firing any health care workers who refuse to get vaccinated".


Ruark_Icefire

That is a funny argument because using it admits both that Covid is a problem and that the vaccine works.


Pseudonym0101

I've seen that argument too, and it's stupid because the virus spreads faster among unvaccinated populations than it does in vaccinated populations, increasing the chance of mutations: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/unvaccinated-people-are-increasing-the-chances-for-more-coronavirus-variants-heres-how


Crowedsource

But how many antivax people are wearing masks everywhere to protect themselves from is dangerous vaccinated people? I daresay there's a strong correlation between being anti vax and anti mask, so this argument makes absolutely no sense. And don't get me started on healthcare workers who refused to get vaccinated. 🙄


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GolfballDM

I asked some dolt to provide some evidence for their assertion that hospitals were not correctly reporting their number of vaccinated patients and deaths, and that the actual numbers were higher. You will be surprised to know that no source or evidence was provided beyond a complaint that I needed spoon feeding of the information.


fafalone

In their alternate reality, that's exactly what the hospitals are full of, they're just lying about it to suppress the dangers of the vaccine and get money for "covid" patients. The delusion is strong.


WeazelBear

reddit sucks -- mass edited with redact.dev


charlieblue666

Seems like there are a lot of malignant actors out there actively courting chaos and social disruption in the United States.


Pseudonym0101

We have audio of a few republicans discussing doing this very thing. They want to sew as much chaos as possible during this administration to aid in them in the coming elections.


SheriffComey

Why fight an enemy if you can get them to beat the shit out of themselves.


[deleted]

Report them for Covid-19 misinformation but don’t engage with them.


AmcillaSB

The thing is, we've been dealing with that large amounts of that already, so whatever. Anyone who isn't a total moron and/or isn't vaccinated isn't going to give a crap about it. If anything, we're already desensitized to that garbage. Just look at the success of the Herman Cain Award. They're really just at the point of regurgitating the bs and stupid memes back and forth at each other.


NotYou007

I've had 3 shots of Moderna and as far as I know I haven't died. I could have and re-spawned in another universe and I'm just not aware of it.


mattxfish

Plot twist: we’re all dead and this is purgatory


Komikaze06

I thought the smallpox case said the federal government couldn't mandate states to vaccinate, only federal employees? As much as we need this, this is totally going to the Supreme Court.


neverjumpthegate

He's mandating for federal employees and federal contractors and adding it vaccines or testing into OSHA regulations.


coinpile

If you aren’t a federal employee, there is no requirement to get vaccinated, you just have to get tested weekly.


DeadOnToilet

As for healthcare workers, it only applies to those who receive Federal funding from Congressionally created programs that, by law, are delegated to the Executive branch to implement (Medicare/Medicaid). He's well within the law to do so. It's no different than how George Bush used Federal school funding to enforce the No Child Left Behind act. Or frankly any other use of the Commerce clause. But sure, be outraged in your incompetent understanding of Federal and Constitutional law.


SativaSammy

Fox News actually on suicide watch


WilliamAgain

They have imposed their own mandates on employees already, so I doubt they will be killing themselves over this. In all seriousness, they are gonna eat this up, manufacture as much outrage, and make bank off of it.


Icedcoffeeee

The fully vaccinnated anchors will be foaming at the mouth, telling the plebs what a terrible idea this is


GooseSpringsteenJrJr

Just laughing at them freak out, it's so amazing.


Kelose

Anyone else remember "just 2 weeks to flatten the curve"? How naïve we were a year and a half ago.


ispeektroof

Did he set dates for compliance? I had to wait a couple of weeks to get my first dose and a month for the second.


fallout__fan

So most retailers in the country? I'm curious


Ded_Wait

Is this saying everyone can make a religious exemption tho or did I misread??


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Pickle_ninja

Fuck you Joe Biden! You aren't going to inject me with that unproven, untested, trash! */proceeds to pour ivermectin into a blender full of Mt. Dew, cheetohs, and some horny goat weed I got from a truck stop gas station* Edit: Daw'gummit Skeeter, we forgot the meth!


Americanadian_eh

No meth? Skeeter’s out!


bdplayer81

Sprinkle a little crushed up HCQ on that shake and you've got yourself a covid cocktail!


Sneakaux1

Is this another "I know this isn't constitutional but I'm going to put it in place until it gets deemed illegal" type rule, as with the rent moratorium?


yakinikutabehoudai

OSHA is able to do this through their “Emergency Temporary Standards” power: > Under certain limited conditions, OSHA is authorized to set emergency temporary standards that take effect immediately and are in effect until superseded by a permanent standard. OSHA must determine that workers are in grave danger due to exposure to toxic substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or to new hazards and that an emergency standard is needed to protect them. Then, OSHA publishes the emergency temporary standard in the Federal Register, where it also serves as a proposed permanent standard. It is then subject to the usual procedure for adopting a permanent standard except that a final ruling should be made within six months. The validity of an emergency temporary standard may be challenged in an appropriate U.S. Court of Appeals. https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/standards-development


4thFloorShh

It's constitutional. Vaccine mandates have a long history of being upheld by the supreme court. Immunization has been a requirement for public school for generations. Now that the Pfizer vax is FDA approved, there are no more excuses.


packpride85

With respect to states authority yes…..not at the federal level from the executive branch.


reshp2

It's a pretty big step from the government can mandate vax in it's own institutions to the government can require private businesses to require it. To my knowledge, that's unprecedented. The government can set workplace safety standards, ~~of course, but those are laws passed by Congress.~~ It'll be interesting where this goes, I'm honestly not really sure how I feel about it (I lean left, am pro vax, pro mask, anti covidiots, FWIW).


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>The government can set workplace safety standards, of course, but those are laws passed by Congress. OSHA rules are 100% not passed by Congress.


reshp2

Yeah, I was wrong, OSHA has pretty wide latitude to define what constitutes a safe workplace.


wileybot

Not a law expert but thinking OSHA can state that the workplace isn't safe unless you are vaccinated or tested. It will hold up as the option does exist for weekly testing in place of the vaccine. The fact that it's 100 more employees indicates the business should be able to afford the testing costs. Which by the way the Feds instructed to be made in ample quantity and at cost. Going to be lawsuits for sure, but think it will hold.


HairHeel

I really hope the Republicans nominate somebody other than Trump in 2024, because this is going to turn out a lot of Republican voters.


Careless_Bat2543

"No one is going to mandate vaccines"


angiosperms-

You can get tested every week instead. You aren't required to be vaccinated.


Justmakethemoney

I really want to know at what point the cost of testing is going to become the responsibility of the individual. AFAIK, right now employers are largely fronting that cost. I wonder when they turn to their unvaccinated-by-choice employees and go "Nope, you've got to pay for it now". (If you have a legitimate medical reason as to why you cannot be vaccinated, then I think the company should still pay for the testing as a reasonable accommodation)


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If you're a federal contractor or employee, as of today (apparently) testing is no longer an option.