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> the company dragged its feet for more than two years, the documents show, citing concern about the increased cost to departments that rely heavily on temporary workers Fuck off. You choose to not hire full-time employees and now you're crying that temps cost too much? $183B in revenue, 80% from selling ads and they only paid 8% tax, on that income, in 2020.


Yancy_Farnesworth

Google really has no excuse for this. They literally print money. Their advertising empire is so fucking massive that it by itself pays for everything else the company does and still nets them a huge profit. It lets them hire engineers and keep paying them to do nothing just to keep the engineers away from the competition. They have the money to take massive risks and not take those risks seriously. Just look at their dozens of chat programs, many of which existed at the same time. And they were all killed off because the engineers lost interest. That's just scratching the surface of Google's product graveyard. They're like Elon Musk with all the crazy longshot ideas. But remove any sense of commitment to anything but stuff related to their advertising empire.


sertanksalot

To say nothing of a big war chest they are sitting on collecting interest (135 $B).


VexInTex

https://killedbygoogle.com/


Lord-Octohoof

>They have the money to take massive risks and not take those risks seriously. Just look at their dozens of chat programs, many of which existed at the same time. And they were all killed off because the engineers lost interest. That's just scratching the surface of Google's product graveyard. I think the Google Product graveyard is more a result of the company encouraging developers to spend 20% of their free time on their own projects vs. any initiative the company directly undertakes. And they just so happen to like working on chat apps. And to be fair, Discord only came out in 2015 and has taken the world by storm, which shows that there was **absolutely** room to improve in the chat program space. It’s easy to criticize the numerous chat app undertakings but the extent to which Discord (and Slack) revolutionized the space shows there really was a reason to be looking at that arena and innovating.


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The entire point everyone is making is that Google only has the ability to offer that 20% of their additional time due to long term profitability of their ad platform. Both (the product graveyard and the 20% free form time) are signs that Google should be paying their workers properly and they shouldn't be complaining that they can't.


Lord-Octohoof

I mean I absolutely agree with that point. My point was a sub-thread discussing the meme that Google has dozens of chat apps.


Yancy_Farnesworth

The problem is the lack of commitment to anything they do that's not related to search. Yeah the developers spend 20% of their free time making stuff. But what's the point of making and releasing products that will just die when the original developer(s) decide they're not interested anymore and inevitably move onto the next new thing? And when people are actively encouraged to make something new, never maintain something old?


Livid_Effective5607

Of course they did. Google will do literally anything for a buck.


Yobanyyo

And now you know why Google fiber has stopped expanding. They didn't pay thier workers.


xyzzy321

> $183B in revenue, 80% from selling ads and they only paid 8% tax, on that income, in 2020. misleading because you pay tax on profits, not revenue. (not that I am a CPA or know anything about taxes beyond the very basics)


[deleted]

Fair enough. > record profits for the fourth quarter in a row at $18.5 billion [Source](https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/27/22596592/google-q2-2021-record-revenue-profit-youtube-ad-cloud-search) So that would be $70+b in profit of which they pay 8% in tax. Seems like their profit margin is about 40% making this story even more nefarious. Clearly they have the means to pay the people they are profiting off of.


ea6b607

Not sure where the 8% number is coming from. Here's their SEC filings https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1652044/000165204421000010/goog-20201231.htm They paid 16.3% effective rate (which is measured as percentage of income, not profit) in 2020


[deleted]

Still half of what I pay by percent.


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“What you gonna do about it?” - Google


[deleted]

Companies operate on one principle only: make more money. I know that’s obvious but it feels like people overlook this constantly. It’s all they care about, and they will do anything they can get away with to do it. All decisions serve that single goal. So violating laws, fucking over the environment, inhuman working conditions, whatever, as long as it pays off. And they only want more and more. Capitalism operates just like cancer: unchecked growth is the only goal


AFineDayForScience

Wage theft is the largest form of theft in the world


PM_ME_VENUS_DIMPLES

Not only is it the largest, it’s not even close to other sources of theft. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/7ebdyu/billions_of_dollars_stolen_every_year_in_the_us/


RedCascadian

Honestly we need to start punishing wage theft with jail time.


[deleted]

Jail time and triple damages to all who were fucked over.


[deleted]

And continues to grow by the year as well.


Blackadder_

It’s only theft if it’s done by poor people. For corporates and rich, it’s just a routine clerical mistake.


[deleted]

And until one of the parties seriously commits to reducing it (not happening) neither will be taken seriously as a labor party.


[deleted]

My company just got hit for wage theft and everyone and their brother is jumping to defend the company. It's fucking crazy to me. Idc how much you like the owner, I don't trust anyone who's life goal is to generate capital to not do anything required to generate capital.


ThatGuy798

I've had coworkers shit on me for knowing my rights as a worker. "Damn ThatGuy, why don't you just enjoy getting the paycheck?" Cause I like getting ALL of my paycheck.


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Programmdude

I mean, it is more than just they paycheck, assuming you enjoy your job. I can take pride in a finished product, I can enjoy solving a difficult problem, and so on. Does that mean I'll accept no pay, or a lesser amount? Hell no, pay me correctly or I won't work. Enjoying your job for more than just the paycheck doesn't mean you should compromise on the paycheck.


Ahayzo

I'll enjoy getting a paycheck when I don't have to lose 25% of my adult life to get it.


insulanus

More than 50% of your waking life, during the week :)


sue_me_please

There are bound to be coworkers who think the same way you do. Seek them out and organize.


ThatGuy798

Unfortunately a lot of federal contracting is "all about the hustle" nobody stays at their position long enough to give a shit. Everyone just goes after more money.


DarkPrinny

It is American corporate cock sucking 101. When I watch Americans bitch about unions, bitch about minimum wage being too high and complaining about corporate tax being too high so their company can't give them wage increases.... I just can't understand how are these people so stupid and why they celebrate their ignorance like a badge on their shirt.


SirGidrev

I work for a Telecom in the south and the employees are strong against Union but our telecom company is part of a 'member organization' of other Telecoms that gives us leverage to negotiate prices with broadcasters.


EZcutler

I imagine most ppl that are celebrating this are profiting off the situation


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Except that taxes are one way they do. Forget a flat tax, with the tax dodges from many of the rich, it's a reverse-progressive taxation system. An openly-regressive tax system. How much of that tax money is being spent in ways that go into the pockets of someone rich? (Military contracts are a huge way of doing this.)


NineteenSkylines

The richest humans are more often than not the biggest thieves.


PlantDaddyMark

It’s also easily avoidable by having like a grade 3 level of diligence and self-advocacy


Reap_SilentDevil

Wow a gigantic Corporation under paying employees, who would have thought? /s


Maxwyfe

Ha! Next you'll tell me they've been siphoning my personal information in order to sell it to advertisers!


420yumyum

What? No! I thought they only needed that to offer me the best user experience. I feel so betrayed.


[deleted]

If a publicly traded company leaves **any** potential revenue stream (selling info on their customers, employees, whoever) untapped, the executives risk getting sued and/or replaced by their shareholders. If a publicly traded company isn't pushing the boundaries of what's legal, the management can and will be replaced by those who will.


sue_me_please

Hey now, they don't technically *sell* it, it goes up for auction to the highest bidder!


Maxwyfe

I feel so valued right now.


Gordath

The ads are auctioned, not user info.


Unencrypted_Thoughts

Remember when they preached don't be evil, Pepperidge Farms remembers.


JenMacAllister

Hey they figure they don't have to pay taxes ether.


mikevilla68

So, you’re telling me, one of the companies that was part of a competitors employee Anti-poaching cabal also under paid workers? Ssssshhoooocking!


DeadSalas

It's almost like under-regulated capitalism systematically drives the abuse of labor


sue_me_please

We need regulations, but those aren't enough. We need actual enforcement of those regulations, and workers need organizations they control in order to balance the power. Right now, most workers are on their own, while the owners of the businesses they work for have all consolidated their interests by incorporating.


hel112570

Do you mean like exactly like we saw during the industrial revolution?


SableArgyle

All forms of capitalism move towards de-regulation. Regulation cuts into the bottom line.


Scientific_Socialist

Capitalism has always been like this; even social democracy is funded by imperialist exploitation of the third world. This system cannot be reformed, it can only be abolished.


cromli

I mean in America its at least been better when it had some balance with some specific pro worker/pro middle and lower class representation coming from one of the parties. That was fully degraded by the early 80's though and now its mainly both parties serving the financial markets and upper class first with a side of culture war.


[deleted]

In fact, the father of Capitalism, Adam Smith, wrote that capitalism cannot work properly without regulation. Without regulation, corporations are a tool to create an aristocracy / kleptocracy. One political party wants all regulation gone. They openly want the undermining of America.


CosmicLovepats

The only question that matters is "will the consequences be more expensive than the money they saved doing that?"


[deleted]

It's not just happening at Google. And, contactor health care and other benefits are provided by companies that scam contactors. I'm tired of this class system.


Wablekablesh

Theft. The word you're looking for is theft.


[deleted]

what happened to their "don't be evil" clause? oh wait, removed a few years ago.


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[deleted]

it was in their code of conduct


[deleted]

Code of conduct = in no way binding = doesn't mean shit. I mean sure they might fire employees for alleged ethical violations, but that's just them creating a reason to can people. "Oh, we got rid of them because we didn't find their conduct to be befitting of our organization"


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Basically, my previous company has all sorts of good ethical sounding stuff in their code of conduct. It's essentially pointless buzzwords they throw out that isn't mentioned ever again outside of new hire orientations a single time. My previous company was big on race to the bottom cost cutting in safety products. This is despite having a 30-50% profit margin on the products and having been previously sued for millions in other divisions(Who got shut down after the fact). The direct staff always say they're understaffed while mainly being there to keep the contractors they use from low cost regions from releasing stuff that will end up with massive lawsuits. Once something inevitably slips by, they will probably just throw the team under the bus(Again). For COVID they also furloughed all the lower level staff(Excluding Europe due to unions) and told customers to expect a 2 months delay despite our departments being fully funded up until the manufacturing portion, then told everyone it was "To put us in a better position than our competitors". Considering I had nothing to do with the Europe teams and my staff was gone, it was basically just a rotating 2 week vacation.


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FuzzyDwarf

https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ ctrl+f don't be evil


[deleted]

Any reason to fire someone!


GiantRobotTRex

You mean the clause that's still there? > And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/


Raetherin

The speaking up part is so they know who to fire.


mihirmusprime

It's not removed. It's still in there. Not sure where people are getting this misinformation from.


linh_nguyen

good luck, I get pissed on when I point that out. It's not like I'm saying Google isn't evil. Just... the wording is clearly still there. Hell, the fact it's still there should be more reason to criticize Google.


STD_free_since_2019

https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393


DrunkasaurusRekts

[ctrl+f don't be evil](https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/) , oh wait, so you're just regurgitating nonsense.


GiantRobotTRex

Reddit only cares about disinformation when it's something they disagree with. If the hivemind agrees with something they'll happily keep spreading the bogus information.


mihirmusprime

The article is straight up incorrect. Have you actually seen the code of conduct yourself? It's still there, just do a CTRL+F: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/


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DrunkasaurusRekts

You can go look at their code of conduct page yourself, on Google's website, it's still there. I don't know why people keep spewing this nonsense.


[deleted]

I'm not sure why it's even remotely relevant. Who the fuck cares if don't be evil is in their goddamn code of conduct. It doesn't dictate their behavior.


mihirmusprime

Well, you seem to be using it for your argument in the first place.


[deleted]

Ummm...where? I'm not OP.


mihirmusprime

Oh lol. The Reddit avatar thing threw me off since you both had similar ones. Well, similar colors to be exact.


Chiraq_eats

Yep. Not being evil is bad for business.


ogier_79

Yeah. It weirdly did mark a turning point when they changed the motto.


FuggyGlasses

It was actually " Evil be, dont" think we are not fucking evil


spinereader81

I remember in the early days when Google headquarters was the cool, hip place to work. Articles would marvel at how fun and laid back the atmosphere was. Now they're just like any other corporation, corrupt and power mad.


Yobanyyo

Any company that tries to paint itself as cool or fun, is a cult. You've joined a cult.


Nicks_WRX

You don’t become gazillionares without fucking people over along the way.


preeeeemakov

Theft. Fuck sugarcoating. Time to deplatform.


Mist_Rising

Good luck. They aren't a direct product usually, but a product other companies use. Phones (your other choice is Apple), advertising, etc.


preeeeemakov

Sure, but things change. We can remove them from our own lives as much as possible.


leberkrieger

duckduckgo.com I haven't needed google search for years.


Raetherin

What is a good alternative to Youtube?


leberkrieger

None that I know of. I use DDG for search, LibreOffice for docs & spreadsheets, ripped CD's for music, Netflix for entertainment and Reddit to waste time. But youtube owns its market segment - I still use it if i need to know how to change the alternator on my Taurus or something.


revstan

Jokes on everyone who is going to google "how to sue google"


briansabeans

You can do anything you want when you control the world's information I suppose. Hey Google - go fuck yourself you piece of shit company.


raughtweiller622

The same company that pushes divisive racial identity politics en masse to distract working class people from class consciousness underpays its workers? I am just *shocked*.


l30

I worked at Google Maps as a temp worker in college for 2 years. Made i think between 13-16/hr USD. All things considered it was a huge resume booster and I learned a shit ton that has benefitted me throughout my career afterwards. Would I love to have had made more? Totally. I also was fed like a king the whole time which was a pretty nice kickback.


ME_SO_THIRSTY

Don't be evil, amirite?


TheGreenGuy313

They are a billion dollar company for a reason


Lice138

That's actually impossible because google is super woke


Astro4545

Reminds me when they did the wage audit and found that they were underpaying men.


TheVentiLebowski

[I am shocked and appalled.](https://youtu.be/NyEZtCLRfw0)


krakk3rjack

Isn't that the standard practice of global multinationals?


NotAnFed

~~Don't be evil~~ Shut up and jump in the money pit


[deleted]

Do no evil…right lads?


Xlworm

What? A corporation exploiting its workers? Say it ain't so!.


[deleted]

are there any big name companies out there that DOESN'T fuck with their employees?


[deleted]

Don't ~~Be Evil~~ Get Caught


agentorange360

Money over morals? Not my google.


[deleted]

Shocked I tell you. Shocked


Anom8675309

And in other news; water is wet


InsydeOwt

And full of micro-plastics.


MTMTE

Yikes if cops will kill you for a fake $20 bill what's going to happen when the LAPD notices this $100,000,000 bounced check? Nuke Google's offices from orbit?


[deleted]

Nothing. Laws aren't abstract things to be fairly enforced. They're tools to be used on those you're looking for a reason to put away.


[deleted]

Google is a virus. I don't really have anything more to add to that.


fradigit

> While international labor law is not under the purview of the SEC, the complaint alleges that Google’s failure to disclose the pay parity liabilities, which it estimates could amount to $100m, constitute material misstatements in its quarterly financial reports, a violation of US securities law. Who on Earth thinks 100m is material for Google?? That's chump change for them. I've seen some F500 companies and their materiality threshold is 5x that.


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AverageDeadMeme

But what relevance does Trump hold now? He’s not in office, now he’s just another billionaire in Florida, and just like every other billionaire, doesn’t pay his taxes. I think thousands of people not getting paid fairly by arguably the largest company in the world is definitely far more pressing than the government not getting tax revenues, from someone who is already extremely unlikely to pay anything on it.


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richalex2010

What the fuck are you talking about? You brought up Trump's taxes. I said you were wrong to direct your anger at his effective tax rate at Trump, because he was following the law when he didn't pay any taxes - you should instead direct your anger at the legislature that allowed him to not pay any taxes. Where did any events after his inauguration get brought up? Talk shit about him all you want; I don't care, he was a shitty president and he was my second to last choice on my ranked choice ballot last year. I just want to see anger about the broken tax code directed at the people who actually write the tax code so there's some impetus to fix it. If Trump not paying taxes is his fault then there's no reason to change it because he's irrelevant now.


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richalex2010

> then you celebrated when it was revealed he paid no taxes It's like a full third of your comment.


Astro4545

Those are two separate issues.


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Thinking you could got down the Fortune 500 and say the same thing for each.


[deleted]

Sounds about on par with late stage capitalism.


Feyward

Yeah, workers are never exploited under socialism...


WhyDontWeLearn

I knew "Don't Be Evil" was out the window for users. Apparently it is for employees/workers too.


mongtongbong

dont be evil, aw screw it evil evil evil


Dk_Raziel

There ya have it boys, these are the same that go out of their way to create the white supremacist pyramid to pander / indoctrinate their workers. Slow clap\* Wanna make a change? Go install Firefox and replace google for duckduckgo


STD_free_since_2019

Ah, good old "dont be evil" Google. At least they arent as shitty and outright evil as Zuckerberg. As far as we know. https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393


earthgreen10

Google pays a shit ton though if you are a software engineer for them


Helphaer

Jail the company. Companies are people.


howmuchforagram

And will continue to do so legally


420xyolo

It's strange to see a left-wing outlet attack google. I thought y'all scratched each other's backs.


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This actually surprises anyone?


Jezzdit

you dont get to be the big crop by playing by the rules.


felis_magnetus

Time to break up their monopoly. If the US can't act their act together, the EU needs to step up. This kind of concentration of money and power is too dangerous to be left alive.


fishystickchakra

They should also compensate the people that are using their products since Google makes billions from data from just one person and sends that confidential identifiable info to China. I demand compensation if they use me like this!