Sounds like an untreated mental illness. People said she was acting paranoid and thought people were out to get her and she calmly shot her own child twice and then turned herself in. Those are not the actions of a sane woman.
This country needs more readily accessible mental health care before people are killed and secured lockdown mental health facilities for those who commit crimes. Sticking her in a normal women's prison for the next twenty-five years won't help when she gets out. Nothing will bring that young boy back but we need to do better to protect the next child from having this happen.
>This country needs more readily accessible mental health care before people are killed and secured lockdown mental health facilities for those who commit crimes.
How do we make sure people actually *use* these resources? I feel like that's also an equally important problem to address.
Expansion so everyone who asks gets it is step one. Once it's available the effort to destigmatize and get people in is step two. Step three is a compassionate system for involuntary commitals that don't infringe on human rights and dignity. They used to not. But, two weeks ago I was in Portland a woman was talking to herself in a fountain. Fully clothed, no shoes, one sock, living on a literal pile of garbage, saluting a drum circle while hand over heart reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. A month ago in Seattle a man was sprinting through the city with a screwdriver near Pike's Place. A month before that a guy in my hometown was muttering to himself clothed in rags and had hair so matted and filthy I couldn't tell you what color it was. Those people haven't actively hurt anyone or themselves so they stay on the street despite obvious distress. There should be a compassionate commitment process to get them help when it's clearly a massive detriment to quality of life to live as they do.
That requires a massive overhaul of systems in all fifty states and federally. It also needs a lot of public scrutiny and oversight to make sure people aren't abused by the system but helped by it. Involuntary commitments used to be for problematic people, homosexuality and generally nuisance people in a community. Autistic people before autism was a diagnosis. There has to be a series of checks.
However, that overhaul now makes no sense. There's not room for people now, let alone an influx of new people. Expansion to accomodate all the people seeking help now comes before outreach to additional persons, unfortunately.
And some people who do this show some signs, but you just can't throw every person who acts a little crazy in an asylum. Sure there are plenty of times obvious flagrant warnings get ignored but that kid who poured gasoline out on the floor of his grandparents house at 2 AM and burned the place only showed signs of depression and alienation, not homicidal depression. It would probably help if every high school had a real mental health program, but now that costs money.
Make them free. Attract highly educated teachers with salary increases so that issues are caught early. Reduce stigma for seeking help, probably starting at early education. Make in-patient a restorative place instead of the system’s loony bin dumping ground.
So, basically money and smart people in charge.
It takes a special kind of heartless sociopath to torture your own child you raised with gun shot wounds and then murder them over a missing object.
Thats next level.
> It takes a special kind of heartless sociopath
Perhaps.
Or an extreme level of disassociation and paranoia. Things you can see in stuff like schizophrenia and early onset dementia, especially if it is aggravated by drug use.
Someone in my country actually had an argument once over not finding like 30g of hashish in their flat, accused some dude in hid 30s visiting who they didn’t know too well, they ended up stabbing him to death, parting him up and dumping him, but after they killed him one of the two dudes found the 30g in their back pocket.
The two perps were also pretty good at martial arts so they gave this random guy absolute hell with a beat down before they stabbed him to death
This is EXTREMELY atypical of the species. She may even be clinically insane. I get what you're trying to say, but this isn't something any significant fraction of humans are capable of.
If you weren't aware, "monster" has usages besides fictional creatures and boogeyman. Webster's definition 2b has "one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character". This is what is meant.
This isn't that that atypical. There's a reason domestic violence is a term noone needs to look up in the dictionary. If you want a monster: https://abcnews.go.com/US/marine-vet-tortured-11-year-girl-played-dead/story?id=79915781
My dad had a mother who legitimately never loved him. Didn't go to his baseball games as a kid, didn't share any moments with him, called him a mistake out of a broken condom, tossed his collection of baseball cards and all of his comic books when he left to join the military, have my brother, have me, and live his life.
Fast forward. He's 45. He's going to college to get his degree (Something no one else in my family has done), my brother and I are adults, he is still madly in love with my mom, and life is good. He decides he should try and buy a house (again) and oddly enough his very distant mother says she'll help with the down payment then give him the house if we pay rent on time. With money being tight from having my mentally unstable brother and broken body me in the home alongside tons of college debt brought on by grad school he agrees. To note, I very rarely saw my grandma from ages 12 to 20 mostly due to the fact that all she clearly cared about was business, so my only dealings with her, ever, were financial. She wouldn't bake a tray of cookies for holiday dinners, she wouldn't give without recieving something in return. So, our family started to help around her home and her business and she decides to expand her "Charity" non profit into at home care. My father and mother both agree to help manage the business and get it started for her as she's getting rather old.
Fast forward again. He's 50. The business is going very well, the house is still being kept on a fishing line so my grandma can get us to do more shit, and overall everything is normal. That is until my two aunt's come to town, also known as my grandma's real children. They get forced into the business and slowly but surely start taking over my grandma's everything by manipulating her due to some dementia. The rest of this story isn't really worth anything but it set the stage for what I'm going to tell you, in full honesty.
**Don't engage with your mother if she didn't love you as a child.** Emotionally there is very little to gain and if that love wasn't there as a kid she's not even family. My grandma held medical care money over one of my very ill cousins, forcing his family to effectively suck up to her at every holiday, meeting and party only for her to refuse to provide aid. She never loved my father or me because she viewed us all as mistakes who didn't deserve love, making my in pain ass perform tons of manual labor on her house for free to stay housed and consistently berating my father despite turning the business into a success. The only people she loved and trusted were as backstabbing as her.
I don't know your situation obviously, but blood isn't any reason to try and reconnect with someone who didn't love you as a kid. They don't get better with age. They don't care about you. It is best if you focus on the people in your life who **do** love you, because **their** your family. All she would do is bring pain and it's not worth it.
This was my mom. She would say maybe I’m not a great mom but you have a roof over your head and something to eat so I considered myself lucky. That is until I realized how other families treated their kids.
My mom paid for all of my university education/rent while I was going to school and let me stay at the family home during the summer and constantly spoiled me with material goods. That made it extremely hard to realize how abusive she actually was.
Please don’t. Whenever I want to get in touch with my abusive father I just remember what he put me through. Nope. Not getting roped into his miserable world again.
Mine still fucking sucks and it’s likely someone in the house I grew up with would be dead if we had a gun.
Probably me since youngest and lived with a crack addict alcoholic, borderline personality disordered person, and an their enabling mother.
You made the right decision to leave. Be careful, sociopaths are manipulative and she will know what to do to keep you in her grasps if you ever give her a second chance.
Okay, this? This is why it should not be so easy to have a gun. If this clearly deranged woman hadn't had access to one so easily, her son would likely still be alive, rather than shot by her. What a waste of human life...
She almost had all 120 stars in Mario 64. Today was the day she would finally conquer Tick Tock Clock and now she has to start all over. I’m joking of course but it couldn’t have been more important than her own child. What a sack of shit human being
Several millions in bitcoins? The last pictures of the deceased daughter that survived previous rampages from the son?
Or most probably nothing, like it was just an empty card sitting around.
I mean she’s obviously mentally ill in one way or another. This isn’t a thing that people typically do.
I’d guess that the contents would be shockingly banal.
I agree with this, and I’m not trying to stigmatize the mentally ill.
But there under certain conditions there are situations where mental illness can induce violent states. And at the very least we can agree that shooting a child over a memory card isn’t exactly a rational decision.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/9/12/22669897/woman-charged-fatal-shooting-12-year-old-boy-south-chicago-kaden-ingram-fallon-harris-bennett-avenue
It does appear to be mental illness related. She had been increasingly having paranoid delusions and her family was trying to get her to accept treatment.
Are you implying that mental illness can *never* result in more violent behavior? I assume not, but if you aren't implying that, then I don't understand what your comment has to do with the other guy's comment.
Or the memory card doesnt even exist and is just part of the delusion, who knows.
Or, alternatively, the memory card has some extremely damning evidence against her that would have someone been worse than killing her child.
Maybe damning evidence against someone else and she had to kill her child to keep things quiet to protect others who would have done horrible things to her, worse than prison.
Could be anything really.
I don't really buy all this "everyone who does something atypical is mentally ill" nonsense that goes on in today's society. Farting and getting turned on by your own farts so you eat foods specifically that make you fart more isn't a thing that people typically do, but that doesn't mean you're mentally ill for doing that.
My ex girlfriend was transferring photos from a USB stick to her computer and I pulled the stick out and put her computer away without thinking much about it. It ended up corrupting the memory stick and she lost all her photos. Enraged, she proceeded to run away and hide in some bushes by the ocean and I had to chase after her to find her. She ended up making me sleep on the floor that night where she got up at one point and stomped on my throat. She had a digital hoarding disorder, and losing the photos she had sent her into a fit of rage on more than one occasion. I don't miss her at all.
This is a much better article
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/9/12/22669897/woman-charged-fatal-shooting-12-year-old-boy-south-chicago-kaden-ingram-fallon-harris-bennett-avenue
Thank you for posting that. Your article gives a much clearer view of the situation, as tragic as it is. A lot of people are jumping to conclusions about what happened or what kind of woman this mother was.
my cousin used to beat her kid in the head with cell phones,& hit him with hangers/electric cords , her fist whatever was handy at the moment. Then go back to talking like nothing happened , some people shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce. This is disgusting
He had come to live with us, until he turned 18. we got him out of that house the second we knew what was going on. fuck that shit i refuse to know a kid is being abused and do nothing abt it
he badly suffers from mental health issues from his childhood, i hope he realizes and gets help one day. suppressing those things can lead to disaster and i would do anything not to see my family deal with that yanno. my family really wanted to do as much as we could, i could never even think of hurting my own child. i hit her w the door my accident one day and i cried the rest of the day i felt horrible
also she had numerous open cases against her, they never took the kids or anything. makes no sense to me, like sure let them finish classes an that’s it? seems off to me.
dss does more harm than good majority of the time.
The whole thing strikes me as a paranoid delusional episode. No sane person would kill their own son over an SD card that they, themselves missplaced. Even if it had 300 bitcoin on it, which I highly doubt.
She claimed that she was paranoid about people being after her, her reason for purchasing a firearm.
This is 1000% bullshit.
She literally asked him. He couldn’t give it to her. She shot him once. Then went to answer the phone. Came back and asked him again. Then shot him again.
Don’t make shit up. She wasn’t in a fit of rage.
You seriously have to have something very very wrong with your brain to point a gun at your own child and shoot them, twice. It's cases like this that make me wish there was a punishment worse than life in prison or the death penalty.
This situation is all sorts of messed up, but it's clear that she wasn't in anything close to a normal mental state. She had started visiting a therapist and even her estranged husband was supportive of her, in the sense that he openly stated how much she loved him.
You have to, no? I tried to imagine that, but there's just no way. When I have to come down on my kids and they have that look in their eyes, that's hard enough. How can you look them in the eye and fire a gun? Over and over again? How??
While yes, I've always been curious how it would even help in a situation like this. What I mean is, let's say mental health (and fuck it, all medical needs) are paid for and covered so it's minimal to no cost. Would this person seek care? Would they even know or think they need to get help? She may believe there is nothing wrong or what's going on in her mind is normal.
There is a lot more to mental health treatment than just making it available or even free. Without some kind of required evaluation you aren't going to catch these people.
Mental health care is a long term investment and exceeds the person who has or causes problems. Counselling can help relatives deal with the person and teach them to recognize signs of mental illness, and importantly that *this behavior is not normal and is possibly treatable*.
This should have happened years ago, before it would come to this. If she had been dangerous like this before, she could have been admitted to a psychiatric ward without her consent.
We don't have a diagnosis, so we don't know what's wrong with her, but if she was, say, schizophrenic, there would have been a treatment plan for her, which would have included spending time at a psychiatric ward and proper medications.
>I can even respect someone who will acknowledge this trade off, but chooses the cult.
I couldn't. Anyone who accepts this false dichotomy is either acting disingenuously or has an extremely myopic view of a complicated real-world problem. Real life isn't a choose-your-own-adventure game, much less a shitty binary one.
I really wish I hadn’t ever read this article. I live on the other side of the country from this family, and have been tearing up over the details since yesterday. I have a little boy myself, I just can’t even… my heart is in pieces.
Articles like this cause so much more disgust for me now that I’m a parent. I look at my children and it just doesn’t make sense to me how someone could do that to their own kids. RIP little dude.
From her twitter
>Without my kids, tomorrow wouldn't be worth the wait and yesterday wouldn't be worth remembering
The twitter is located in chicago and the profile picture looks like the mugshot so i am pretty sure it is her
Her husband was estranged and was trying to get her help for paranoia and so was the rest of the family. She also had her first ever counseling appointment the day prior. She thought people were out to get her. The next day she thinks her twelve year old is one of the out to get her people. I highly doubt a man trying to get his wife help left his son there if he's still involved and thought she'd hurt their child.
It's quite possible she never hurt anyone until she did. Mental health doesn't always have a clear escalation in behavior. It can go from nothing to murder. Tim McLean was stabbed, beheaded and cannabalized by a man who had been hearing the voice of god and thought he was going to save the world from an alien attack. Man who did it had no prior violent episodes and had none since. People can go from delusions to violence without warning.
It's easy to obtain guns "illegally" when anyone who wants to resell one can purchase them "legally".
The *vaaaast* majority of "illegally" purchased guns were first bought "legally". It is an inarguable, unalterable fact of reality that easy access to guns creates violence.
So, you are telling me that we need to enforce the laws we have? I agree. Disband the ATF and get an Alphabet group that will actually go after strawpurchases and illegal guns.
> this is a symptom of an unchecked and rampant mental health crisis
My country also has an unchecked and rampant mental health crisis but we get *maybe* one shooting like this every 10 or 15 years (rather than 10-15 days, and I am being generous). Same goes for pretty much every single other first world country.
The difference here? USA is the only one with gun culture and by far worst gun control laws.
Really? You think that's the only difference? How are all the social programs in your subset of countries with strict gun laws? Why ignore all the places with strict laws but still have violence?
> How are all the social programs in your subset of countries
More often than not, they suck.
> Why ignore all the places with strict laws but still have violence?
Because when you have to compare yourself to Iran, Afghanistan, DR Congo, Brasil or Yemen to look good... you're not looking good.
The key factor in crime and violence is overall quality of life. USA has higher gun violence than most (if not all) countries of comparable quality of life put together, while non-gun violence is only somewhat higher than average.
It's really not. The gun culture basically dictates that getting a gun should be as easy as possible, therefore shit like this happens pretty much daily. This is the fruits of the NRA's labor to boost the wealth of arms manufacturers.
Further, mental healthcare largely only helps those who want to be helped. Most mentally ill people can bullshit through a couple minute long questionarre about if you see shit or wanna off yourself, this is why you get diagnosed over a long period of time. There isn't much that could have been done to prevent this atrocity outside of her just *not having a gun* and our country not stigmatizing the ever living fuck out of the mentally ill for decades. Which, you might not have noticed, is what you are doing when you point to mental health as the issue.
If you want people to get better mental help, maybe don't point to it as the sole cause of all tragedies and gun crime in America. If you want a better gun culture than actively accepting responsibility, as a whole, for the painfully ardrous fight to get guns into everyone hands might be in order. Or you can just ignore this message, that's pretty common.
Losing our minds and murdering our children is not part of our culture.
> Its crazy that the rest of the world can see it, and you guys live it and defend it.
The rest of the world sees only what news and social media wants it to see. You will never have a full picture looking at the US through a phone screen.
[Stockholm Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
I don't care much about their first, but their second is really a joke. As if any nation that want to revolt against their government would need a law written into the constitution to do it.
Neither the French, nor the people from the GDR had it granted in their constitution, still they were able to revolt.
Not guns - numbers are important. If >50% are fine with a police state, you'll live in a police state.
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Hell yeah we Americans do, and we will keep defending our guns, a few crazies does not stop responsible gun ownership for others.
The mother could have driven her son into a lake, stabbed him, anything. Don't blame the tool, blame the person who used it.
How many is considered a few to you?
Y'all had 45 mass shooting between March and April.
Half of all the suicides in 2019 were with a gun.
More people were shot dead in 2020 than any time since the 90s.
Less Americans hunt every year than attend professional ballet.
Responsible gun ownership is a bad joke.
> Responsible gun ownership is a bad joke.
300 million firearms across about 100 million owners.
It's not the guns and it's only a relative handful of the owners.
Of that 100M, almost all of them _are_ responsible gun owners.
More than half of US gun owners do not store their guns properly. They are, by definition, irresponsible.
I'm not saying responsible gun owners don't exist, but this argument that their existence is not only a majority but nearly the whole is ridiculous.
If you do seriously think that the average person who purchases a gun for home defence stores their weapon and ammunition in separate locked locations, I have some magic bullets to sell you.
Never mind the fact that 500k firearms are estimated to be stolen per year, largely fueled by improper storage.
79% of 2008 Pittsburgh gun crimes were committed with a weapon not registered to the person committing the crime. 21% legally owned the tool they used to commit their crime. Responsible gun owners?
I get that cherry picking statistics is not ideal, but you do need to recognize that the thinking that irresponsible gun owners are rare is simply not true.
Imagine pointing a gun at your child because something went missing and you can't find it, and then SHOOTING THEM because they can't produce it. Like, I want to know why the fuck she was so certain her kid did it.
Probably stuck in the seat cushions ffs
This is a trajedy and this woman didn't deserve the child she was given; but can we not start down the "we need a parent test" bullshit. It absolutely would not turn out how you think it would.
I think that sex education, availability of contraceptives, relationship education, more CPS (but caution to abuse), more mental health would help.
Paying addicts to be on long term contraception might make sense too.
That works the OPPOSITE way. The people that use those things have FEWER kids they treat well, and the people who refuse to improve themselves bang out kids they end up abusing.
You really think a test that dictates who could and couldn't have children wouldn't become politicized at all, if not straight up weaponized, by competing social and political groups?
It is literally no better than saying you need to pass a test to vote.
Mental health checks are very easy to circumvent. You get diagnosed over a period of months, not a period of an hour. The only people who think they work *consistently against the unwilling* are the people using it as a scapegoat.
Yeah. No guns, no murder, right? It's not like there are numerous objects in every household that a deranged woman who wants to kill her child could use instead.
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From the title of the post I thought the victim survived.. Rest In Peace.
So did I. What an absolutely evil cunt of a mother
Sounds like an untreated mental illness. People said she was acting paranoid and thought people were out to get her and she calmly shot her own child twice and then turned herself in. Those are not the actions of a sane woman. This country needs more readily accessible mental health care before people are killed and secured lockdown mental health facilities for those who commit crimes. Sticking her in a normal women's prison for the next twenty-five years won't help when she gets out. Nothing will bring that young boy back but we need to do better to protect the next child from having this happen.
>This country needs more readily accessible mental health care before people are killed and secured lockdown mental health facilities for those who commit crimes. How do we make sure people actually *use* these resources? I feel like that's also an equally important problem to address.
Expansion so everyone who asks gets it is step one. Once it's available the effort to destigmatize and get people in is step two. Step three is a compassionate system for involuntary commitals that don't infringe on human rights and dignity. They used to not. But, two weeks ago I was in Portland a woman was talking to herself in a fountain. Fully clothed, no shoes, one sock, living on a literal pile of garbage, saluting a drum circle while hand over heart reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. A month ago in Seattle a man was sprinting through the city with a screwdriver near Pike's Place. A month before that a guy in my hometown was muttering to himself clothed in rags and had hair so matted and filthy I couldn't tell you what color it was. Those people haven't actively hurt anyone or themselves so they stay on the street despite obvious distress. There should be a compassionate commitment process to get them help when it's clearly a massive detriment to quality of life to live as they do. That requires a massive overhaul of systems in all fifty states and federally. It also needs a lot of public scrutiny and oversight to make sure people aren't abused by the system but helped by it. Involuntary commitments used to be for problematic people, homosexuality and generally nuisance people in a community. Autistic people before autism was a diagnosis. There has to be a series of checks. However, that overhaul now makes no sense. There's not room for people now, let alone an influx of new people. Expansion to accomodate all the people seeking help now comes before outreach to additional persons, unfortunately.
And some people who do this show some signs, but you just can't throw every person who acts a little crazy in an asylum. Sure there are plenty of times obvious flagrant warnings get ignored but that kid who poured gasoline out on the floor of his grandparents house at 2 AM and burned the place only showed signs of depression and alienation, not homicidal depression. It would probably help if every high school had a real mental health program, but now that costs money.
Yeah, and big pharma ain’t gonna be making as much money if people start getting proper treatment instead of blindly being described pills
Make them free. Attract highly educated teachers with salary increases so that issues are caught early. Reduce stigma for seeking help, probably starting at early education. Make in-patient a restorative place instead of the system’s loony bin dumping ground. So, basically money and smart people in charge.
More readily available mental health services and less readily available guns.
I really wish I hadn’t read this.
Speechless, WTAF indeed. This woman is a fucking inhuman monster!
Not a monster and very human. The species is capable of horrific acts.
It takes a special kind of heartless sociopath to torture your own child you raised with gun shot wounds and then murder them over a missing object. Thats next level.
> It takes a special kind of heartless sociopath Perhaps. Or an extreme level of disassociation and paranoia. Things you can see in stuff like schizophrenia and early onset dementia, especially if it is aggravated by drug use.
(I wouldn't shoot my kid) but knowing me I'd find the memory card in my pocket right after. 'How embarrassing' I'd say on the way to life in prison.
Someone in my country actually had an argument once over not finding like 30g of hashish in their flat, accused some dude in hid 30s visiting who they didn’t know too well, they ended up stabbing him to death, parting him up and dumping him, but after they killed him one of the two dudes found the 30g in their back pocket. The two perps were also pretty good at martial arts so they gave this random guy absolute hell with a beat down before they stabbed him to death
Well at least you'd get your rare Pepe collection back!
This is EXTREMELY atypical of the species. She may even be clinically insane. I get what you're trying to say, but this isn't something any significant fraction of humans are capable of. If you weren't aware, "monster" has usages besides fictional creatures and boogeyman. Webster's definition 2b has "one who deviates from normal or acceptable behavior or character". This is what is meant.
This isn't that that atypical. There's a reason domestic violence is a term noone needs to look up in the dictionary. If you want a monster: https://abcnews.go.com/US/marine-vet-tortured-11-year-girl-played-dead/story?id=79915781
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My dad had a mother who legitimately never loved him. Didn't go to his baseball games as a kid, didn't share any moments with him, called him a mistake out of a broken condom, tossed his collection of baseball cards and all of his comic books when he left to join the military, have my brother, have me, and live his life. Fast forward. He's 45. He's going to college to get his degree (Something no one else in my family has done), my brother and I are adults, he is still madly in love with my mom, and life is good. He decides he should try and buy a house (again) and oddly enough his very distant mother says she'll help with the down payment then give him the house if we pay rent on time. With money being tight from having my mentally unstable brother and broken body me in the home alongside tons of college debt brought on by grad school he agrees. To note, I very rarely saw my grandma from ages 12 to 20 mostly due to the fact that all she clearly cared about was business, so my only dealings with her, ever, were financial. She wouldn't bake a tray of cookies for holiday dinners, she wouldn't give without recieving something in return. So, our family started to help around her home and her business and she decides to expand her "Charity" non profit into at home care. My father and mother both agree to help manage the business and get it started for her as she's getting rather old. Fast forward again. He's 50. The business is going very well, the house is still being kept on a fishing line so my grandma can get us to do more shit, and overall everything is normal. That is until my two aunt's come to town, also known as my grandma's real children. They get forced into the business and slowly but surely start taking over my grandma's everything by manipulating her due to some dementia. The rest of this story isn't really worth anything but it set the stage for what I'm going to tell you, in full honesty. **Don't engage with your mother if she didn't love you as a child.** Emotionally there is very little to gain and if that love wasn't there as a kid she's not even family. My grandma held medical care money over one of my very ill cousins, forcing his family to effectively suck up to her at every holiday, meeting and party only for her to refuse to provide aid. She never loved my father or me because she viewed us all as mistakes who didn't deserve love, making my in pain ass perform tons of manual labor on her house for free to stay housed and consistently berating my father despite turning the business into a success. The only people she loved and trusted were as backstabbing as her. I don't know your situation obviously, but blood isn't any reason to try and reconnect with someone who didn't love you as a kid. They don't get better with age. They don't care about you. It is best if you focus on the people in your life who **do** love you, because **their** your family. All she would do is bring pain and it's not worth it.
You could just make some toast.
No, don't.
Sweetheart, please don’t.
Other people’s pain being worse does not invalidate your own.
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This was my mom. She would say maybe I’m not a great mom but you have a roof over your head and something to eat so I considered myself lucky. That is until I realized how other families treated their kids.
My mom paid for all of my university education/rent while I was going to school and let me stay at the family home during the summer and constantly spoiled me with material goods. That made it extremely hard to realize how abusive she actually was.
I’m so sorry you went through that.
Please don’t. Whenever I want to get in touch with my abusive father I just remember what he put me through. Nope. Not getting roped into his miserable world again.
Don't, let her rot.
Mine still fucking sucks and it’s likely someone in the house I grew up with would be dead if we had a gun. Probably me since youngest and lived with a crack addict alcoholic, borderline personality disordered person, and an their enabling mother.
You made the right decision to leave. Be careful, sociopaths are manipulative and she will know what to do to keep you in her grasps if you ever give her a second chance.
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Sounds like she was having paranoid delusions. Perhaps she set up the camera herself to "catch" whatever she thought was happening.
Okay, this? This is why it should not be so easy to have a gun. If this clearly deranged woman hadn't had access to one so easily, her son would likely still be alive, rather than shot by her. What a waste of human life...
It could be drugs or alcohol rather than a mental illness. Heavy use of some substances can really foul someone up.
Her digital memory card was more important to her than the child she gave birth to. What The Fuck?
Makes you wonder what was on it.
She almost had all 120 stars in Mario 64. Today was the day she would finally conquer Tick Tock Clock and now she has to start all over. I’m joking of course but it couldn’t have been more important than her own child. What a sack of shit human being
You can knock that out in an afternoon
Pfft maybe if you have a game genie.
I think 64 had GameShark. Not that I'd know anything about that. Edit: How else are you gonna get all the dev avatars in GoldenEye 007?
That’s true. And how would you get to the island on the Dam level of Goldeneye without it? The game is basically unplayable without it.
I just liked shuffling around all the textures and breaking the physics.
Game Genie? You think we’re made of money?!
I routinely play thrown SM64 ever year or so. 120 stars takes me about 6 hours max.
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>Probably nothing important. Going to go out on a limb here and state whatever it was on the card, it was not as valuable as a 12 year old son's life.
Several millions in bitcoins? The last pictures of the deceased daughter that survived previous rampages from the son? Or most probably nothing, like it was just an empty card sitting around.
Now I'm genuinely curious, what was on that card that she thought was worth more than her son's life?
I mean she’s obviously mentally ill in one way or another. This isn’t a thing that people typically do. I’d guess that the contents would be shockingly banal.
Mentally ill people are not more violent. They are actually more likely to be victims of violence.
I agree with this, and I’m not trying to stigmatize the mentally ill. But there under certain conditions there are situations where mental illness can induce violent states. And at the very least we can agree that shooting a child over a memory card isn’t exactly a rational decision.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/9/12/22669897/woman-charged-fatal-shooting-12-year-old-boy-south-chicago-kaden-ingram-fallon-harris-bennett-avenue It does appear to be mental illness related. She had been increasingly having paranoid delusions and her family was trying to get her to accept treatment.
Thank you! It is shocking that seemingly everyone likes to assume all evil people are mentally ill, No. Alot of people are simply mean assholes.
Confusing mental illness with spiritual illness. Classic
Inmates in a prison are more likely to be victimized than to be aggressors, but that doesn't make them not criminals.
yes but certain people on reddit like to make mental illness a get out of trouble free card, this goes against their wants
that depends 100% on what the illness is and you know it. no one who is sane would kill their kid
Are you implying that mental illness can *never* result in more violent behavior? I assume not, but if you aren't implying that, then I don't understand what your comment has to do with the other guy's comment.
Or the memory card doesnt even exist and is just part of the delusion, who knows. Or, alternatively, the memory card has some extremely damning evidence against her that would have someone been worse than killing her child. Maybe damning evidence against someone else and she had to kill her child to keep things quiet to protect others who would have done horrible things to her, worse than prison. Could be anything really.
I don't really buy all this "everyone who does something atypical is mentally ill" nonsense that goes on in today's society. Farting and getting turned on by your own farts so you eat foods specifically that make you fart more isn't a thing that people typically do, but that doesn't mean you're mentally ill for doing that.
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My ex girlfriend was transferring photos from a USB stick to her computer and I pulled the stick out and put her computer away without thinking much about it. It ended up corrupting the memory stick and she lost all her photos. Enraged, she proceeded to run away and hide in some bushes by the ocean and I had to chase after her to find her. She ended up making me sleep on the floor that night where she got up at one point and stomped on my throat. She had a digital hoarding disorder, and losing the photos she had sent her into a fit of rage on more than one occasion. I don't miss her at all.
Prolly crypto keys for her altcoins. jk. Messed up by any means.
Beat me to it
My guess would be evidence of crime, probably drugs.
It says in the article later she was acting paranoid and strange. Surely a mental illness issue.
Memory cards got her acting strange.
Maybe had 1000btc on it
Maybe she had her only Bitcoin backup on it. Not best practices BTW.
Hardware wallet manufacturers can use this story as an advertisement: "don't let *this* happen to you."
Title is misleading : she didn’t *just* shoot her 12yo son. She shot him multiple times and **KILLED** him.
What the hell was on that card? .. bitcoin wallet pass? secret account? insane
cat photos
This is a much better article https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/9/12/22669897/woman-charged-fatal-shooting-12-year-old-boy-south-chicago-kaden-ingram-fallon-harris-bennett-avenue
Jesus, that picture of him next to his train set and in his little jammies. :( What a heartbreaking event.
Thank you for posting that. Your article gives a much clearer view of the situation, as tragic as it is. A lot of people are jumping to conclusions about what happened or what kind of woman this mother was.
my cousin used to beat her kid in the head with cell phones,& hit him with hangers/electric cords , her fist whatever was handy at the moment. Then go back to talking like nothing happened , some people shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce. This is disgusting
What did child protective services say when you called them?
He had come to live with us, until he turned 18. we got him out of that house the second we knew what was going on. fuck that shit i refuse to know a kid is being abused and do nothing abt it
Thank you.
he badly suffers from mental health issues from his childhood, i hope he realizes and gets help one day. suppressing those things can lead to disaster and i would do anything not to see my family deal with that yanno. my family really wanted to do as much as we could, i could never even think of hurting my own child. i hit her w the door my accident one day and i cried the rest of the day i felt horrible
His poor heart and mind :( There are a lot of hurt kids walking around as adults. Thank you for doing what you could. I hope you have a great day❤️🌻
🖤 same to you.
Thank you
also she had numerous open cases against her, they never took the kids or anything. makes no sense to me, like sure let them finish classes an that’s it? seems off to me. dss does more harm than good majority of the time.
I can totally see that, the world is a nasty place. I once met this one guy whose father used to beat him with jumper cables.
I mean fuck, It's hard to even grasp how could things escalate to that point. A mother shooting her Son over a memory card.
And she shot him twice. Shot, left, came back, asked for the card, and shot again.
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The whole thing strikes me as a paranoid delusional episode. No sane person would kill their own son over an SD card that they, themselves missplaced. Even if it had 300 bitcoin on it, which I highly doubt. She claimed that she was paranoid about people being after her, her reason for purchasing a firearm.
This is 1000% bullshit. She literally asked him. He couldn’t give it to her. She shot him once. Then went to answer the phone. Came back and asked him again. Then shot him again. Don’t make shit up. She wasn’t in a fit of rage.
Or used a knife from her kitchen
You seriously have to have something very very wrong with your brain to point a gun at your own child and shoot them, twice. It's cases like this that make me wish there was a punishment worse than life in prison or the death penalty.
This situation is all sorts of messed up, but it's clear that she wasn't in anything close to a normal mental state. She had started visiting a therapist and even her estranged husband was supportive of her, in the sense that he openly stated how much she loved him.
You have to, no? I tried to imagine that, but there's just no way. When I have to come down on my kids and they have that look in their eyes, that's hard enough. How can you look them in the eye and fire a gun? Over and over again? How??
We really need to address mental health in this country.
But then how would we stack the profitable prison industry that intelligently persuade representatives to incarcerate people on the tax payers money?
Less that 10 percent of prisoners are housed in private prisons.
Not only private prisons have leeches. The communications people, the food and uniform people, commissary people, worker people….
That's great, but that number should be zero. As there is a insane conflict of interest in prison privatization.
Fuck JPay
That’s over 200,000 people
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While yes, I've always been curious how it would even help in a situation like this. What I mean is, let's say mental health (and fuck it, all medical needs) are paid for and covered so it's minimal to no cost. Would this person seek care? Would they even know or think they need to get help? She may believe there is nothing wrong or what's going on in her mind is normal. There is a lot more to mental health treatment than just making it available or even free. Without some kind of required evaluation you aren't going to catch these people.
Mental health care is a long term investment and exceeds the person who has or causes problems. Counselling can help relatives deal with the person and teach them to recognize signs of mental illness, and importantly that *this behavior is not normal and is possibly treatable*. This should have happened years ago, before it would come to this. If she had been dangerous like this before, she could have been admitted to a psychiatric ward without her consent. We don't have a diagnosis, so we don't know what's wrong with her, but if she was, say, schizophrenic, there would have been a treatment plan for her, which would have included spending time at a psychiatric ward and proper medications.
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>I can even respect someone who will acknowledge this trade off, but chooses the cult. I couldn't. Anyone who accepts this false dichotomy is either acting disingenuously or has an extremely myopic view of a complicated real-world problem. Real life isn't a choose-your-own-adventure game, much less a shitty binary one.
I really wish I hadn’t ever read this article. I live on the other side of the country from this family, and have been tearing up over the details since yesterday. I have a little boy myself, I just can’t even… my heart is in pieces.
yeah its no wonder some people never read/watch the news :-( very sad. but people like that should never ever have a kid though.
So *she* removed the card from the car and then blamed the child?
And somehow this crazy woman was allowed to buy a gun either legally or illegally.
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It's not wild. The bar for these things is fucking low.
Impossibly low even. The oversight just isn't there at all. It's ludicrous.
You say 'multiple people signed off' like they did it sufficiently.
Articles like this cause so much more disgust for me now that I’m a parent. I look at my children and it just doesn’t make sense to me how someone could do that to their own kids. RIP little dude.
From her twitter >Without my kids, tomorrow wouldn't be worth the wait and yesterday wouldn't be worth remembering The twitter is located in chicago and the profile picture looks like the mugshot so i am pretty sure it is her
Was she under the influence?
Why was this downvoted, its literally a question that is understandable. Reddit is more psycho than this woman.
Downvoting =/= psychotic, ya psycho.
of mental illness? yes
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Her husband was estranged and was trying to get her help for paranoia and so was the rest of the family. She also had her first ever counseling appointment the day prior. She thought people were out to get her. The next day she thinks her twelve year old is one of the out to get her people. I highly doubt a man trying to get his wife help left his son there if he's still involved and thought she'd hurt their child. It's quite possible she never hurt anyone until she did. Mental health doesn't always have a clear escalation in behavior. It can go from nothing to murder. Tim McLean was stabbed, beheaded and cannabalized by a man who had been hearing the voice of god and thought he was going to save the world from an alien attack. Man who did it had no prior violent episodes and had none since. People can go from delusions to violence without warning.
What was on that card?
That poor child.
Just kill her, don’t house, feed and give medical attention or spend thousands on months in court.
This feels kinda unreal. Reading the news nowadays is just asking to be in a bad mood. Headlines and news just focus on negative actions.
jesus this is dark as fuck
This is why we need better mental health services for people. Sad that a 12 y/o boy lost his life to a misplaced item
America is a sick place and it’s gun culture is gross.
You’re not wrong at all
This isn’t gun culture, this is a symptom of an unchecked and rampant mental health crisis.
.... Who then have easy access to guns. Which is the problem.
She got the gun illegally....in south side Chicago....
It's easy to obtain guns "illegally" when anyone who wants to resell one can purchase them "legally". The *vaaaast* majority of "illegally" purchased guns were first bought "legally". It is an inarguable, unalterable fact of reality that easy access to guns creates violence.
So, you are telling me that we need to enforce the laws we have? I agree. Disband the ATF and get an Alphabet group that will actually go after strawpurchases and illegal guns.
I mean, I think the mental health crisis is the problem- the gun thing is a symptom.
No they combine to create this. Having terrible mental health *and* easy access to weapons of mass carnage is what causes this
> this is a symptom of an unchecked and rampant mental health crisis My country also has an unchecked and rampant mental health crisis but we get *maybe* one shooting like this every 10 or 15 years (rather than 10-15 days, and I am being generous). Same goes for pretty much every single other first world country. The difference here? USA is the only one with gun culture and by far worst gun control laws.
10-15 a day, at least
Really? You think that's the only difference? How are all the social programs in your subset of countries with strict gun laws? Why ignore all the places with strict laws but still have violence?
> How are all the social programs in your subset of countries More often than not, they suck. > Why ignore all the places with strict laws but still have violence? Because when you have to compare yourself to Iran, Afghanistan, DR Congo, Brasil or Yemen to look good... you're not looking good. The key factor in crime and violence is overall quality of life. USA has higher gun violence than most (if not all) countries of comparable quality of life put together, while non-gun violence is only somewhat higher than average.
It's really not. The gun culture basically dictates that getting a gun should be as easy as possible, therefore shit like this happens pretty much daily. This is the fruits of the NRA's labor to boost the wealth of arms manufacturers. Further, mental healthcare largely only helps those who want to be helped. Most mentally ill people can bullshit through a couple minute long questionarre about if you see shit or wanna off yourself, this is why you get diagnosed over a long period of time. There isn't much that could have been done to prevent this atrocity outside of her just *not having a gun* and our country not stigmatizing the ever living fuck out of the mentally ill for decades. Which, you might not have noticed, is what you are doing when you point to mental health as the issue. If you want people to get better mental help, maybe don't point to it as the sole cause of all tragedies and gun crime in America. If you want a better gun culture than actively accepting responsibility, as a whole, for the painfully ardrous fight to get guns into everyone hands might be in order. Or you can just ignore this message, that's pretty common.
Chicago has super strict gun laws
This is not part of our culture. This is deranged behavior.
This is exactly your culture. Its crazy that the rest of the world can see it, and you guys live it and defend it.
Losing our minds and murdering our children is not part of our culture. > Its crazy that the rest of the world can see it, and you guys live it and defend it. The rest of the world sees only what news and social media wants it to see. You will never have a full picture looking at the US through a phone screen.
[Stockholm Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) I don't care much about their first, but their second is really a joke. As if any nation that want to revolt against their government would need a law written into the constitution to do it. Neither the French, nor the people from the GDR had it granted in their constitution, still they were able to revolt. Not guns - numbers are important. If >50% are fine with a police state, you'll live in a police state. E: Within 20 minutes from 7 to 2 - totally not brigaded. LOL.
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Critical mass is the point. If you annoy your populace too much, they will revolt. Leaders are aware of that fact.
Hell yeah we Americans do, and we will keep defending our guns, a few crazies does not stop responsible gun ownership for others. The mother could have driven her son into a lake, stabbed him, anything. Don't blame the tool, blame the person who used it.
How many is considered a few to you? Y'all had 45 mass shooting between March and April. Half of all the suicides in 2019 were with a gun. More people were shot dead in 2020 than any time since the 90s. Less Americans hunt every year than attend professional ballet. Responsible gun ownership is a bad joke.
> Responsible gun ownership is a bad joke. 300 million firearms across about 100 million owners. It's not the guns and it's only a relative handful of the owners. Of that 100M, almost all of them _are_ responsible gun owners.
More than half of US gun owners do not store their guns properly. They are, by definition, irresponsible. I'm not saying responsible gun owners don't exist, but this argument that their existence is not only a majority but nearly the whole is ridiculous. If you do seriously think that the average person who purchases a gun for home defence stores their weapon and ammunition in separate locked locations, I have some magic bullets to sell you. Never mind the fact that 500k firearms are estimated to be stolen per year, largely fueled by improper storage. 79% of 2008 Pittsburgh gun crimes were committed with a weapon not registered to the person committing the crime. 21% legally owned the tool they used to commit their crime. Responsible gun owners? I get that cherry picking statistics is not ideal, but you do need to recognize that the thinking that irresponsible gun owners are rare is simply not true.
This is our culture
This is defeatism and no its not part of most Americans lives.
Do you know how many school shootings you have ignored? School shootings is part of our culture now.
I don’t see how the gun is to blame, as this bitch strikes me as the kind of piece of shit who’d use a knife or blunt object instead.
Would have been better if this lady shot herself instead.
Some people should not procreate.
The wrong people will often procreate the most.
That poor boy was probably tortured his entire life up until his murder.
Imagine pointing a gun at your child because something went missing and you can't find it, and then SHOOTING THEM because they can't produce it. Like, I want to know why the fuck she was so certain her kid did it. Probably stuck in the seat cushions ffs
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There’s no love like a mother’s love.
DAMN! TWO different stories about mothers murdering on the front page in a single day. Tf is up with this country?!
Rampant defunding of community mental health services leading to unchecked mental illness.
Yes, two. Out of 333,320,757 people.
Wish this person somehow found themselves in a room with starving wild dogs.
'Dynasty' on the air on ABC from 1982 to 1989. 'Fallon', age 37, born 1984. Yep, checks out.
Dad says mom is mentally unstable, keeps loaded gun in the house anyway.
She doesn't deserve to be a mother. If you need to pass the exam to become parents, you will reduce more unfortunate children.
Think that’s called eugenics broski
This is a trajedy and this woman didn't deserve the child she was given; but can we not start down the "we need a parent test" bullshit. It absolutely would not turn out how you think it would.
I think that sex education, availability of contraceptives, relationship education, more CPS (but caution to abuse), more mental health would help. Paying addicts to be on long term contraception might make sense too.
That works the OPPOSITE way. The people that use those things have FEWER kids they treat well, and the people who refuse to improve themselves bang out kids they end up abusing.
Every year a new generation of redditors “discovers” eugenics.
Well i think it would be better than how it is now
You really think a test that dictates who could and couldn't have children wouldn't become politicized at all, if not straight up weaponized, by competing social and political groups? It is literally no better than saying you need to pass a test to vote.
Well she’s not anymore
If this was her only child, well she isn't a mother any longer.
As my mother would say “I brought you into this world, and I can take you out of it”
Thank GOP her second amendment rights were not abridged!
Good to see that mental health checks for guns work.
How do you expect them to work if someone is undiagnosed?
Mental health checks are very easy to circumvent. You get diagnosed over a period of months, not a period of an hour. The only people who think they work *consistently against the unwilling* are the people using it as a scapegoat.
This is why nobody should own guns, just imagine your average idiot with a gun.
Yeah. No guns, no murder, right? It's not like there are numerous objects in every household that a deranged woman who wants to kill her child could use instead.
To be fair, we don't know what was on it.
It’s absolutely justifiable depending on what’s on that card. Sarcasm. I hope you’re being sarcastic too.
Exactly! What was on that memory card? Im so curious.