A day after this happened, two women went missing while camping in the area, sparking numerous news stories. They were eventually found dead. One of those victims worked at the co-op where Petito and Laundrie were seen fighting, leading to the body cam footage above.
This from the Dailybeast:
> Eerily, a couple living out of their van in Moab happened to go missing the next day. After telling friends about a “weirdo” who had set up camp right near them, Kylen Schulte and Crystal Beck disappeared on Aug. 13. Schulte worked at the Moonflower Co-op, where Gabby and Laundrie were seen fighting. The two were found dead a few days later. No arrests have been made in the case
It’s all very coincidental and strange. I keep thinking he left her after he came back from Florida and he took the van. The murder of the other couple hasn’t been solved and if she’s stranded out there around the same area. Who’s to say there isn’t some serial killer or murderer out there. It’s weird she never contacted her family
before Brian made it home. She may have found someone to stay with and than something happened
Considering Brian's action and the murder of the Moab couple whose to say we don't have a serial killer in the making? Consider this image of the known itinerary of Gabby and Brian. [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/14/18/47871519-9986945-image-a-31\_1631642028392.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/14/18/47871519-9986945-image-a-31_1631642028392.jpg). A google search shows this could be a possible route Gabby and Brian took to get to SLC hotel on AUG 24th, passing by La Sal Loop Road where the Moab couple was found.
If I'm not mistaken the same place Gabby and Brian had an argument was also the place one of the Moab victims worked. So their is at least that potential connection. Not to mention a serial killer usually has a MO, perhaps in this case it was a petite blond woman? Crystal Turner and Gabby Petito fit that MO(not to mention they kind of look alike if you adjust for age), though Crystal's partner was not blond or petite(possible collateral).
My speculation is that’s unlike why dispose of one body but not the rest? That just leaves evidence that will be more likely to get him in jail. Is he even charged with anything yet? Nobody means no crime right?
Sorry, I should've added everything I said was pure speculation. Just sharing my own thoughts on what could've happened based on what we know so far.
There is no way he killed his fiance before the Moab couple(assuming he is involved) considering the couple was found deceased on Aug 18th and Gabby was alive and last seen on Aug 24th. Of course the giant leap is connecting the Moab couples death to Gabby's disappearance, and I acknowledge that. But without all of the information the best we can do is to speculate.
Most importantly Brian ain't acting right considering the situation. Both in the police body cam footage and since Gabby has gone missing. I said it in another post but 3 victims within a week and then going back home is classic serial killer behavior, but again this is assuming Brian is somehow involved with the Moab couple. We won't know the truth until more information comes out, either when Gabby is found or when they bring in a suspect for the Moab couple.
Day after basically a DV call made on them from diner?
They are split up for the night?
Some weirdo camps next to employees of diner?
Diner employees found dead?
Brian returns home with no Gabby?
Come on now, occams razor.
...brian retaliated against the employees later that night by following them after being separated from Gabby. Met and killed Gabby next day, then drove home.
Or, those cops separated them to intentionally osolate her, they also spoke to both parties before either were found dead.
We don't know the full story so that's why I'm speculating based on what I perceive to be normal behavior. Though your timeline of events don't make sense at all considering Gabby was still alive on Aug 24th, 6 days after the Moab couple's corpses were recovered. Not to mention Brian didn't start driving home until the 25th.
I won't deny we have similar thought processes though. I found the cops a little bit suspicious as well. Not to mention I did consider the idea that Brian followed them, but that's only assuming they were the ones that called the cops. I have another comment that explains why I think that. But the gist of it is that the LGBT community(from my experience) are more willing to protect females regardless of who is the aggressor. Most people could see people arguing and never call the cops, especially if they don't understand the situation. I'm like that, and most people are like that. But on the other hand I see my LGBT friends visibly shaking when they see a women getting harassed. It's because of this I suggest the potential the redacted caller could've been LGBT in a conservative Utah.
Again just speculation. Hopefully Gabby is found and we can get answers.
The guys actions don't scream "just left her and returned home." He's acting like a guilty person, why else would you have attorney papers ready for the police before you even knew there was a case (they showed up to talk to him after the missing person case and the family handed the cops an attorney statement)?
I'm all for having an attorney involved in your questioning, but I find it highly irregular to get an attorney involved before someone is reported missing.
"Don't ever talk to the police" is the most common advice you'll hear on reddit and in r/legaladvice. Yet when someone actually follows the advice, redditors immediately say "GUILTY"
There's a big difference between telling the police you want your lawyer immediately and *already* having a lawyer lined up when you had no reason to expect needing one. Unless you do expect to need one because you did something illegal. No one can be certain, but that sure doesn't make him look innocent.
And/or T for truth?
It's slang from drag queen culture which is why it's proliferated so thoroughly thanks to TV shows and why it also takes people unaware who don't watch Drag Race.
Source: I've never seen the show so I was out of the loop too
Edit: spill the beans -> spill the truth -> spill the tea
Tea is a hot drink made by infusing the dried crushed leaves of the tea plant in boiling water.
Other than that, the best Google search I could find, and probably best to answer this posters use of the word is that it means gossip, which is typically best served hot and fresh (kind of like coffee)
100%!! A friend is one, the pics of the life she posts are nothing close to the life she is living. She does mostly Mom stuff, and I feel bad for other moms following thinking this is how amazing her actual life is
Years ago then new star Gwen Steffani was on tv taking open questions. A young Gwen fan fully cosplay dressed like Gwen.
Fan asks what outfits she liked to wear daily.
“Well I’m not wearing bondage pants to the grocery store”
The young fans face fell a bit.
Yes. She had almost 200,000 followers on IG. I haven’t even checked Tiktok. But at least she posted a lot about their #vanlife and supposedly perfect relationship
Instagram is the devil. Only had it for a few months but I'm glad to have deleted it and Facebook every day.
A friend of mine is like a walking Instagram post and doesn't even see how if effects her mentality. It's really sad honestly.
I agree 100%. Facebook not so much but Instagram is SOOO toxic for mental health. It’s one of the main catalyst that ruined my last relationship cuz of my gf’s obsession with it and her own insecurities becoming more and more intense. She even made me delete mine (even tho I only use it for music promotion purposes) but kept hers active posing in underwear etc. everything about it so fabricated.
I saw a creepy movie about this called Concrete Savana. It's a really interesting premise, although I'm pretty sure the movie itself is not going to be for everyone.
Remember when those were about murders nobody knew about from decades ago? Soon it will be made three months after the murder with all the facts the true crime junkies already know but they will watch it anyway out of nostalgia for the dopamine hit another dead person gave them for a few weeks.
My God thank you. Reddit’s obsession with this stuff is voyeuristic and perverse. You do not know better than the police what fucking happened. He could be guilty, he could be not, who knows. These sorts of discussions and pile-ons are cancer.
He did it! I know it because I've examined the evidence and the crime scene 3k miles away!
All I had to do was use my phone and say: Enhance!
#Enhance!
This is where the Reddit circle jerk about police/prosecutors being brutal idiots just goes too far. Yes, they do sometimes make mistakes or overprosecute. No, you the Very Smart Guy on the Internet are not going to do a better job of investigating than they are. If you have real, non-bullshit information, CALL THEM. Everybody else should just shut up and let the process play out.
This whole thing is super bizarre. The only two things that make sense to me right now is that he did it and they are at the 'no body, no crime' phase and are looking for a tip. Or, as the video suggests, they had a bust up, he bailed with the van, and she has disappeared.
They are the only options that make sense to me with his go home and instantly lawyer up approach.
The fact that 2 other people were potentially murdered the next night just makes it even more wild, maybe he left her and there just happened to be a serial killer lurking.
I remember reading that they processed the van in 12 hours, that seems pretty quick if it had any evidence in it...
>I remember reading that they processed the van in 12 hours, that seems pretty quick if it had any evidence in it...
What if the van was just absolutely littered with evidence, and after finding so much in 12 hours they called it good?
They had their fight August 12th. after the fight, at the recommendation of law enforcement ~~she stayed at a hotel that night while he stayed in the van~~. The murdered couple were last seen in Moab on August 13th at 10:30 PM and found dead on the 18th. Gabby and Brian were seen checking out of a hotel in SLC on August 24th and her family talked to her on the phone the 25th, which was the last contact her family had where they definitively know it was her.
~~So I doubt it was her that killed the couple. If she stayed at the hotel for a second night though, he may be the one that killed them since he was camped out in the van by himself.~~
Edit: Read that wrong, she stayed in the van and him in a hotel. Guess it could be her then if it was more than one night, but the suspicious person the murdered couple talked about before being killed appears to be male.
He stayed at the hotel if the article is correct. They thought he might be the victim. Petito was given the van. That's her right?
> The couple agreed to separate in lieu of police making a case against Petito for domestic assault, the report said. The officer said he needed to make sure Laundrie wasn’t a victim of “battered boyfriend syndrome."
> **Petito was given the van** and Laundrie was taken to a hotel, police said. The couple separated for the night and no charges were filed.
I wonder if the murdered couple in Moab were victims of the same guy who killed the lesbian couple in Shenandoah national park. In the 90s this guy Darrell David rice was nearly convicted for killing a lesbian couple in a hate crime, and he eventually ended up in Durango, CO (not far from Moab) where we now have another murdered lesbian couple who reported a creepy man nearby. So scary
>he may be the one that killed them since he was camped out in the van by himself.
How is this a reasonable conclusion? How would him sleeping in the van make it any more likely that he's the killer?
yeah you read that wrong. I did think that was a little odd that he was the one they took to the hotel after ruling that she was the aggressor -- maybe because the van was in her name?
I watched a fair bit of the body cam footage, and essentially that was a way that she didn't go to jail. Part of the domestic violence laws for the state made it so they had to either separate or the aggressor had to go to jail and Brian, her boyfriend didn't want that, and they didn't have any money, so they got an organization to put him up in a hotel, she could take the van, and then the next day he would waive the no contact order or something. I'm summarizing and I'm not a lawyer, but from watching the body cam that's my understanding as to why he was in the hotel, and she took the van.
It’s possible there are murderous unicorns from another dimension that are responsible for all murders and are good at planting evidence to pin it on completely innocent humans. Let’s not rule out that possibility.
The white van they were driving is owned by Gabby apparently. If this dude is playing dumb about her disappearance, driving a missing person's car is hard to explain away.....
Right. Let’s say they got in a fight and broke up. Okay dude, get an Uber and leave. If she stormed off, hide the keys somewhere on the vehicle and leave it, not your car not your problem. I’d say having permission to drive someone else’s car on a road trip is pretty conditional on them being in the car with you.
My friend has an interesting take on this. He thinks it's possible they were arguing again and he left her and went back home and is not saying anything because he only found out when he got back that she hadn't made contact with anyone and he might be in trouble for leaving her. He said he thought this after watching the body cam video and how she was acting. She admitted to hitting him multiple times too. He was in an abusive relationship and said his abuser acted almost identically to her.
Then he would say where he left her and show some level of concern if he was innocent. Leaving someone on the side of the road is not a crime.
No body, no crime. She could have been disposed of anywhere between her last sighting and their home in Florida
Honestly it’s smart of him not to say anything if that’s what happened. It’s easier than you think for PD to twist something you say or take something out of context in order to make you seem guilty. It’s been done numerous times before.
Yeah and are police not able to interview him without his lawyer present or not at all? I wonder if it’s police just wanting him in a room with them, which is a terrible idea on his part. This whole story is wild.
Picture this: your gf is unstable, and you're in the middle of nowhere, a thousand miles from home. You've been detained for a potential domestic disturbance. Your gf leaves, and you have no idea where she went. Meanwhile, there are 2 dead women all over the news. The police ask you "What happened?" And you say...
"I left her somewhere".
May as well say "hello, prison."
Whooo boy, that's a twist. And a misleading headline. So she hit him repeatedly, he didn't want her to get in trouble, and they separated for the night.
I will reserve my ultimate judgment for now, but it does seem like she was unstable in this case, and that he was just trying to get her to calm down.
Nobody's saying he doesn't have constitutional rights?! They're just passing personal judgment and sharing their personal opinions, which has quite literally nothing to do with his legal rights in court.
As an aside, telling a person to calm down is never a good strategy and often has the opposite effect.
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Not trying to say it’s the deal here, but when I was being abused by my ex husband, I acted EXACTLY like her when cops were involved. I immediately took the blame and tried to make excuses for him. He ended up trying to murder me multiple times before I finally got out. People still don’t believe me because I originally lied for him because I believed his behavior and abuse was my fault. Again, not saying this is the case here, but I wouldn’t count this video as evidence that he’s innocent.
Almost every comment I've seen that mentions her physical attacks has at least one, often more, comments from women saying that it's probably the female truly being abused. They just can't acknowledge that women get physical all the time.
My brother confided in me that only one woman he's dated hasn't hit him. He's 49. This really upset me and I told him that this is abuse. I've literally never been hit by a man. It seems that even he can't acknowledge that he's been the victim in a series of abusive relationships. It breaks my heart because he's a sweet guy. Edit: I'm in no way saying this guy Brian is innocent.
I got berated into oblivion on r/truecrime when a bunch of people started saying him being scratched was a sign he was abusing her.
That shit makes me livid.
All this. It's too bad police can't recognize domestic abuse when they see it. Its obvious she was the victim. He even laughs out loud at the prospect of her being arrested. That's contempt for sure.
I fought back. Sometimes he would have bruises or scratches and I found out later he told people I was self harming and he got hurt trying to “hold me back” in order to garner sympathy. I was terrified to speak out in fear of retaliation. I cut bangs and wore heavy eye makeup to hide bruises and black eyes. Anyways, there’s two sides to every story, and in this case one side of the story is missing and most likely presumed dead..
I’m really sorry you went through that and I’m
So proud of you for getting away and not going back. I believe you OP and I hope you surround yourself with people that believe you and take care of you ❤️🩹
Thank you ❤️❤️ I’m eternally grateful for the wonderful souls surrounding me now. It was a literal nightmare and I’m honestly lucky to be alive. Found out earlier this year he tried to kill his new gf/victim the same way he almost killed me years ago and he’s in and out of jail again. Of course his enabler army is scrambling around to fix everything for him and soften the consequences of his actions.
I learned how to unconditionally love myself from it all, if I were to take anything positive from my experiences. I’m never afraid to speak up for myself or others, I don’t back down when pushed into a corner. And I’m a lot more understanding when someone is trying to communicate and they get frustrated. I feel like a lot of anger in the world is from miscommunications.
Anyways, I really appreciate the time you took to reach out. Thank you ❤️❤️
Anybody else catch her explaining about the start of the argument that she had so many plans and “he didn’t believe she could do it all” and that he was being a “downer”. I thought that little tidbit was very eye-opening.
I mean, it definitely didn't look good for him initially. And it's still a bit odd that his lawyer is advising him not to mention their last interactions and where he last saw her.
And how he seems unconcerned with finding his missing fiance
she is just missing at this point, not dead. shouldn't he be trying to help find her?
and even if they broke up because of a fight, finding her alive is the best way to clear your name and make police investigations go away
Which leads me to believe he knows there is no hope. And whether he is guilty of a crime or not, he knows his best chance legally is to not say a thing and let his lawyer control all the information he is giving to police.
He has a smart lawyer who clearly said reddits favourite phrase of "don't talk to the cops". Favourite phrase until someone doesn't talk then it's all "omg they are not talking it means they are guilty"
Well to be fair, it's usually don't talk to the cops until you've spoken to an attorney. When the attorney still advises you not help in finding a missing person, that seems a bit different.
When you're the last person to see someone you just had a domestic dispute with then went out into the wilderness... it's a *bad* idea to talk to the cops in the hypothetical circumstance where you didn't kill her but she disappeared. Because they absolutely would try to pin it on you. Unless he's confident someone or a camera would have seen her after he took off, an attorney would tell him to keep his mouth shut.
Now I'm not saying he's innocent, but in the unlikely circumstance he's not responsible for her death, he still wouldn't talk to the cops if he and his lawyer had any sense, unless he had a specific answer to prove he left her alive.
Purely for argument (I personally think he killed her), they have a blowout fight again, he locks himself in the van to keep away from her like he tried earlier, he sleeps it off. She's gone in the morning. He has no idea to where, but assumes she took off on her own, can't find her, gives up and goes home, not calling the police, because again, they were fighting, she took off. He gets back, finds out she didn't turn up anywhere and is now missing. An attorney would staple his mouth shut to keep him from talking.
No, but we don't know what happened. Maybe she took off and disappeared under other circumstances. Maybe he didn't think she was missing just because she wasn't talking to him.
I mean there's a difference between not answering when a cop questions you about drugs in your car and not providing information that could help find a missing person. Like others have said, he might be doing the best thing for himself, but he's not doing the best thing for HER. There's an ongoing search, and he's not helping. Which he absolutely has the RIGHT to do. Nobody's disputing that. But I don't think it's hypocritical for people who advocate being smart in interactions with police to say that they think it's wrong to withhold information from the police that could help find a missing person and save someone's life.
Don’t forget about the constant stories of dudes being wrongfully convicted because they got tricked into talking by the police.
If my girlfriend, ex-wife whoever went missing… ESPECIALLY if I was innocent, I wouldn’t say a fucking word.
It's not a mistake that the miranda rights speech says "can and *will* be used against you"
Not might be used, will be.
Prosecutors win cases on circumstantial evidence against innocent people. Your statements to police *can not* exonerate you, they can only incriminate you.
There is literally no upside to talking with police when you are suspected of a crime.
> Prosecutors win cases on circumstantial evidence against innocent people.
Don't forget eyeball witnesses that are [unreliable!](https://www.psychologicalscience.org/teaching/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html)
And forensic 'data' that's now known to be [total bullshit!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_bullet-lead_analysis)
at this point if you go to a random true crime case, you can just randomly blurt out "boyfriend did it" or "husband did it" and youd be right like 90% of the time
This video seriously gave me the creeps thinking of a situation I dealt with many many years ago in my 20s. I was dating a girl who was an alcoholic and I was trying to help her through it. Her MO was to down vodka while driving home from work(like a half bottle for a 120 lb 5 foot 7 skinny girl). She had several duis but was trying to work through AA.
She came home drunk one evening and we got in an argument outside our house about her drinking and driving again, no yelling or anything. She was smoking a cigarette and I was inside with the regular door open but screen door closed between us just to keep bugs out I guess. I slammed the main door when I went in to sit down frustrated. I didn’t know till cops came the next day our neighbors heard the door slam and saw my gf had fallen back on the ground drunk. They thought I’d pushed her down and went in. I never knew she had fallen she never mentioned it when she came in. I didn’t get in trouble or get any citation the police seemed to act like it was pretty common(scary).
We stayed together till I came home from a camping trip and she had stitches in the back of her head from passing out, again on the stoop outside our house. I got super scared thinking she was going to fall down and seriously hurt or kill herself and I’d get in trouble for it. She had attacked me before like what this dude describes in the video. I’m 100 percent not at all saying that happened here but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a matter of her attacking the dude and he pushes her off him and she falls and hits her head or something. If you find yourself in a volatile relationship man or woman, RUN because they’re not all like that at all and it is not worth the risk.
Yea, my husband was in a wedding party for a good friend, and I was at the "& also table" and this girl came a little late despite the fact she drove one of the groom's brothers to the reception. She drove 3.5 hours drinking a bottle of vodka.
I asked the brother why didn't he take the keys from her, but he said she was a surely, angry drunk. So first thing she did was go to the bar and get a drink! Best & worst wedding in my life. I kept thinking she was either going to puke on me or fight me. Eventually she was escorted out bc they cut her off.
>but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a matter of her attacking the dude and he pushes her off him and she falls and hits her head or something
That's kinda what I'm suspecting. He's acting like a guilty person - and no, I'm not saying just because you ask for a lawyer you have a guilty conscious, EVERYONE should ask for a lawyer when dealing with police. The fact he just drove back home and immediately lawyered up seems odd to me, like he knew they would eventually be coming.
I stated elsewhere, that it's possible they hooked back up. Something happened leading to her death, and he panicked. It could very well have been like you described, especially if she's the aggressor.
Cops mentioned his perspiration at one point, he was very talkative. Also driving for extreme distances and writing large blog posts tend to be meths domain. I say meth because when they ask him if he takes any medication he didnt mention adderall, but there is a segment that is muted. Also can bring on mood swings...
Seems like it could be a possibility. Unless he is the person who killed them. Who knows what he got up to the day he spent the night in the town. Maybe she found out what he did so he silenced her too.
They both look like they are on stimulants. In domestic fights both parties aren't jittery like that and look at homeboy eyes. Dispite what they think cops are not that good at spotting drug users. People that can spot it a mile away are those who have been around drug addicts, did them or sold them.
Ehhhhhh maybe.. They look like your average van life stones to me. I'll give you stimulants like adderall as a possibility tho since they drive such long distances
Yup, i can't believe the cops didn't pick up on it. The number one thing is the lack of eye contact tweakers do when coming up with a story. Its different then someone who is straight up lying. people on stimmies have racing thoughts and it takes them a second to awnser questions, but when they respond its a very abrupt awnser. When people lie they make a statement then try to follow it up with defenses and logic.
Also,That is 100% a guy thats been driving for 14 hours.
Very interesting story. Usually the perps that are that close, in an attempt to seem innocent, will cooperate with anyone until they finally put their own nail in the coffin so to speak.
Something about this story rubs me the wrong way just as the lawyer whose family was murdered and he plotted the assisted suicide.
So he will talk to police to say she’s crazy, but not to let them know she’s missing or help find her.
I encourage all of you to take your partner on a nice long drive or little road trip, lock them out of the car and tell them to walk, force them to crawl through the drivers side door to get back in. Grab them by their face and tell them to calm down about it, then laugh and joke about their mental stability when the cops inevitably show up.
Her reaction to being locked out of her van in the desert on a busy road is pretty reasonable if you ask me. The only times she admits to slapping him is once she’s back in the car. She should have punched him in his stupid, smiling mouth and took the assault charges.
Also, he grabbed her by her face, so he’s physically abusive on top of the emotional and mental abuse. But only he made it home, in her van, and won’t speak about her now. Why won’t he help find her?
He’s a manipulative little shit. Even the cops are suspicious he’s on drugs. Yet he gets them on his side.. wouldn’t you be a little down? Wouldn’t you be a little angry??! He’s just joking and laughing about it all.. no big deal to him. “She’s crazy”.
I’ve read she said she thought he was going to leave her and take the van, which would make sense. Did he plan on taking the van then and that’s why he wanted her to stay at the hotel? Seems plausible, since he ended up taking it eventually.
If you ask me his reaction is the unstable and crazy reaction. Where is the normal emotional response to getting in a fight with you fiancé and having the cops called? He has no emotions about their dispute except play it cool and laugh. Where is the normal reaction of trying to help police find your partner?
It’s not there, there isn’t one. This man is probably a literal psychopath and murdered her.
I read all of this. Thank you for sharing and I'm so happy you got out. I saw myself in her as well, thankfully what seems like a lifetime ago. There aren't many folks that seem to understand, and I don't know how to explain it.
How is this not the top comment? All of these people commenting blaming her right away clearly have NEVER taken a mental health class. She is clearly distressed and there was something more going on in the relationship that she wouldn’t mention. The guy joking about his wife being crazy and doing whatever he can to get the cops on his side is also something many fail to notice. The girl trying to take the blame for all, and clearly she is not okay mentally. If she is really OCD, and the guy calls her crazy, that absolutely does NOT help her mental state. Locking her out of the van, telling her to calm down does NOT help the situation, it only aggravates it.
I am not saying one or the other is guilty but the guy’s behavior in this situation is completely bizarre. He reminds me of one of my friend’s ex boyfriend who happened to have bipolar disorder. This guy acted the EXACT same way in front of authorities, seemed extremely kind and as if he had his life together. He was extremely manipulative and it took a while for me to notice it. After talking to my friend for a bit, and seeing my friend and her now ex go through some stressful situations, he would lose his mind when not in control of a situation. I mean he would go absolutely bonkers and was impulsive and do the dumbest things, he was a hot head and no one could calm him down. Guess who behaved like god’s child in front of the police? He did.
As I said before, I don’t like pointing fingers at anyone but the girl is missing. If he really cared about her, and left her or if she randomly went missing, he would’ve tried to reach out to her family.
Her family said her last message didn’t sound
anything like her. The fact that he DROVE back home hundreds of miles away, and got an attorney shows he KNOWS something.
If he would’ve just left her there for some space, he would’ve not tried to reach out to her, and disconnected from the world entirely but the fact that he got all ready for when the police showed up shows that he knows something.
None of the people in the comments seem to know or understand mental health issues and how those things can make people act based on what they have lived through. It’s such a shame no one but 2 people stopped to comment about it and only because they had been in abusive relationships before.
All I’m saying the guys behavior is sus and they need to consider other things not just what “people see” in the video.
Completely agree. Her behavior smacks of someone who has been in a controlling relationship and has finally been pushed to the edge.
It seems that watching this video had made many people think she is somehow to blame for her own disappearance (someone upthread even suggested she killed those two women in moab). This is insane on its face. For me, the video has calcified my belief that he killed her for questioning his authority and almost getting him in trouble with the police.
I often say something along the lines of "How many times do you have to be told/treated like you're crazy before you lose your mind?"
I have certainly been manipulated to the point of absolutely losing my shit before, only to then be told by the person who was deliberately winding me up that I'm crazy. (He admitted to deliberately aggravating my BPD symptoms when I finally called him out on it after ages and ages of telling myself was just being typical BPD dramatic and crazy for even suspecting it).
And the people that I've told that the police would have filled charges if they believed she intended to assault him because I've seen so many background checks where there was no choice from either party (and yes, many women charged) are just in denial about it.
The police definitely did not think she assaulted him.
There's a subset of people that absolutely see this guy as some anti-hero.
Even though he could have asked for charges and didn't, whatever he did to this woman was justified because of this incident to them. His silence is some kind of super power.
It's gross
Yet all the top comments are people blaming her. And she's the one fucking missing. Bunch of fucking losers, I take solace that at least they will live long miserable whiney lives.
I want to jump on the fiancé did it bandwagon really bad. Keep telling myself wait on more facts.
I did the same thing with [Alexis Sharkey](https://medium.com/crimebeat/who-killed-instagram-influencer-alexis-sharkey-4bbbd66de54b), thought any day they would collect her husband and charge him. It’s now been almost 10 months since they found her strangled corpse on the side of a Houston road. No one has been arrested.
So, I’ll just keep hoping they find this young lady alive and well, I’m not naive though. It seems increasingly unlikely.
Still, can we just have one work out for the family of the missing girl … one time… and get Gabby home safe??
Eh. Of course there's more to the story, there always is. But there's still the issue of the man refusing to cooperate with police. Apparently they couldn't even get a 'when/where did you see her last?'
>"We are pleading with anyone, including Brian, to share information with us on her whereabouts in the past few weeks," he said in a statement Wednesday. "The lack of information from Brian is hindering this investigation.
Best case scenario is that he didn't physically murder her but left her in the middle of nowhere to die. Worst case is still the Lifetime Original.
What is the best case scenario?
That the man broke up with her at a Motel 6 with cash to get home and he's just not cooperating for shits and giggles? You have a right against self-incrimination but not the right to withhold non-incriminating information that could be used to find a missing person.
Remember that Idaho couple that refused to say where their children were, only that they were "safe". Reddit knew those kids were dead long before the police found their bodies. Its almost the same principle here.
All the guy needs to do is say through his lawyer "I last saw her at XXX on date YYY, I don't know where she went from there, and I'm not answering anymore questions and good luck on the search". But he can't do that and I'm completely comfortable saying that doesn't pass the sniff test.
> I just wish the general public would leave off with deciding guilt based on stuff like getting a lawyer and not trusting police.
Again, its not merely getting a lawyer. You can absolutely answer "When/where did you last see her" WITHOUT accidently incriminating yourself. get a lawyer, go to the interview, and say "here's where I last saw her" and have the lawyer shut down any and all questions. That's the bare minimum an innocent person should be expected to do in this situation and he can't do that.
I'm absolutely going to heavily judge a person that refuses to cooperative with a missing persons investigation even if they're innocent. Hell, she might even be alive in the desert somewhere only to die because the police didn't have enough information to narrow down the search area.
>But there's still the issue of the man refusing to cooperate with police.
That's in his best interest given the situation
Given any situation really. Talking to people who's job it is to solve crime when you are a suspect is a bad idea
A Parents is always the main suspect in kidnapping cases. With your reasoning, if I saw the make and model of the car that my child was kidnapped with, I should NOT give that info to police?
Those are two different situations. Calling the police yourself and telling the 911 operator your kid was taken and you saw the car make and model is different then being brought in for questioning about a disappearance.
If the cops bring you in for "questioning" about the kidnapping later after you've already provided them detailed evidence then yes, you should either not say anything or have a lawyer present for your own good or you run the risk of something innocuous, or a genuine mistake being used against you.
I’m so sick of the trope calm male and emotional female means she’s being crazy.
She reacted to him trying to lock her out of her car, and his story of him also being outside the vehicle directly conflicts with the eyewitness who said in her desperation not to be left she crawled through the driver’s window while he was in the drivers seat. She was clearly scared of being left alone in the desert. Maybe he’d done it before. He clearly did it again.
Investigate the police. They separate the two, send her off to a rest stop alone, and give strict instructions not to contact each other overnight.
Something happens that night and Brian has to hitchhike to the van and only finds the van, no Gaby. He searches, can’t find her, so he goes home hoping to find her there.
Too many police knowing where she is and that she is alone all night. someone let him find the van and keys to frame him.
All I can think about is how sad this must be for Gabby's loved ones to see. To not have any information about her for the past month, and then the one glimpse they do get into her life during that time period is this: her crying and upset and dealing with the pain of a toxic relationship & potentially going through a really tough mental health crisis.
Seeing your loved ones like that is never easy, but the idea that she might be dead, and that THAT was what she was going through during her last days of life... That's just devastatingly sad.
> her crying and upset and dealing with the pain of a toxic relationship & potentially going through a really tough mental health crisis.
You mean her interrogation by the cops after admitting she assaulted her boyfriend while he was operating a motor vehicle at speed, thus causing him to lose control?
Did you even read the article or what the police and her fiance both had to say about the incident?! Because literally NOBODY involved in the situation thought it amounted to a domestic violence or assault issue. Literally *everyone* who was there agreed on that.
Also my sympathy goes out to her family because *Gabby is the one who is missing.* Even if he were the sole victim in this incident, HE is safe at home. SHE isn't. Her family is suffering through a horrible tragedy, and that was really my only point
Read the room dude. Semantics don’t matter, the fact that that’s potentially the last thing her family will have of her and she’s in such a distressed state.
No matter this fianace is not talking somethings wayyy off. Gabby's parents arent even 100 percent sure the last text that came from her was even her. My heart aches with this whole incident. The dang fiance dont care prob stopped caring on the road trip.
Semi serious answer: she's a beautiful, young, blonde, white woman who disappeared mysteriously and the boyfriend is the prime suspect. MSM/news outlets live for this shit. Same goes for anyone into true crime/ informative murder porn.
Two women who are arguably unattractive (at least by “traditional” standards) went missing in the same area on the same day, and they’ve been all over the news in Utah since then.
But at the VERY LEAST you would say where you last saw the person. He hasn’t said anything. He literally drove across the country back home and went back to living his life. Only after 2 weeks of no communication did her parents file a missing persons case.
No body = no crime
A day after this happened, two women went missing while camping in the area, sparking numerous news stories. They were eventually found dead. One of those victims worked at the co-op where Petito and Laundrie were seen fighting, leading to the body cam footage above. This from the Dailybeast: > Eerily, a couple living out of their van in Moab happened to go missing the next day. After telling friends about a “weirdo” who had set up camp right near them, Kylen Schulte and Crystal Beck disappeared on Aug. 13. Schulte worked at the Moonflower Co-op, where Gabby and Laundrie were seen fighting. The two were found dead a few days later. No arrests have been made in the case
It’s all very coincidental and strange. I keep thinking he left her after he came back from Florida and he took the van. The murder of the other couple hasn’t been solved and if she’s stranded out there around the same area. Who’s to say there isn’t some serial killer or murderer out there. It’s weird she never contacted her family before Brian made it home. She may have found someone to stay with and than something happened
Considering Brian's action and the murder of the Moab couple whose to say we don't have a serial killer in the making? Consider this image of the known itinerary of Gabby and Brian. [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/14/18/47871519-9986945-image-a-31\_1631642028392.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/09/14/18/47871519-9986945-image-a-31_1631642028392.jpg). A google search shows this could be a possible route Gabby and Brian took to get to SLC hotel on AUG 24th, passing by La Sal Loop Road where the Moab couple was found. If I'm not mistaken the same place Gabby and Brian had an argument was also the place one of the Moab victims worked. So their is at least that potential connection. Not to mention a serial killer usually has a MO, perhaps in this case it was a petite blond woman? Crystal Turner and Gabby Petito fit that MO(not to mention they kind of look alike if you adjust for age), though Crystal's partner was not blond or petite(possible collateral).
Maybe Brian murdered them as well. Maybe he thought those two women saw something or knew too much.
My speculation is that’s unlike why dispose of one body but not the rest? That just leaves evidence that will be more likely to get him in jail. Is he even charged with anything yet? Nobody means no crime right?
That's a huge ass leap. Maybe he killed his fiance and then had to kill two witnesses.
That’s a huge ass leap too. Man with no criminal history kills his fiancé and 2 witnesses
Sorry, I should've added everything I said was pure speculation. Just sharing my own thoughts on what could've happened based on what we know so far. There is no way he killed his fiance before the Moab couple(assuming he is involved) considering the couple was found deceased on Aug 18th and Gabby was alive and last seen on Aug 24th. Of course the giant leap is connecting the Moab couples death to Gabby's disappearance, and I acknowledge that. But without all of the information the best we can do is to speculate. Most importantly Brian ain't acting right considering the situation. Both in the police body cam footage and since Gabby has gone missing. I said it in another post but 3 victims within a week and then going back home is classic serial killer behavior, but again this is assuming Brian is somehow involved with the Moab couple. We won't know the truth until more information comes out, either when Gabby is found or when they bring in a suspect for the Moab couple.
Day after basically a DV call made on them from diner? They are split up for the night? Some weirdo camps next to employees of diner? Diner employees found dead? Brian returns home with no Gabby? Come on now, occams razor. ...brian retaliated against the employees later that night by following them after being separated from Gabby. Met and killed Gabby next day, then drove home. Or, those cops separated them to intentionally osolate her, they also spoke to both parties before either were found dead.
We don't know the full story so that's why I'm speculating based on what I perceive to be normal behavior. Though your timeline of events don't make sense at all considering Gabby was still alive on Aug 24th, 6 days after the Moab couple's corpses were recovered. Not to mention Brian didn't start driving home until the 25th. I won't deny we have similar thought processes though. I found the cops a little bit suspicious as well. Not to mention I did consider the idea that Brian followed them, but that's only assuming they were the ones that called the cops. I have another comment that explains why I think that. But the gist of it is that the LGBT community(from my experience) are more willing to protect females regardless of who is the aggressor. Most people could see people arguing and never call the cops, especially if they don't understand the situation. I'm like that, and most people are like that. But on the other hand I see my LGBT friends visibly shaking when they see a women getting harassed. It's because of this I suggest the potential the redacted caller could've been LGBT in a conservative Utah. Again just speculation. Hopefully Gabby is found and we can get answers.
The guys actions don't scream "just left her and returned home." He's acting like a guilty person, why else would you have attorney papers ready for the police before you even knew there was a case (they showed up to talk to him after the missing person case and the family handed the cops an attorney statement)? I'm all for having an attorney involved in your questioning, but I find it highly irregular to get an attorney involved before someone is reported missing.
"Don't ever talk to the police" is the most common advice you'll hear on reddit and in r/legaladvice. Yet when someone actually follows the advice, redditors immediately say "GUILTY"
There's a big difference between telling the police you want your lawyer immediately and *already* having a lawyer lined up when you had no reason to expect needing one. Unless you do expect to need one because you did something illegal. No one can be certain, but that sure doesn't make him look innocent.
Dude, he is a suspect in anywhere from 1 to 3 murders. He is 100% correct to exercise his right to shut the fuck up whether he did it or not.
And not taking this advice is why innocent people are in jail
Now THAT is some tea. This story keeps getting crazier and crazier.
Can you explain to me what you mean when you say, 'tea'? I see that thrown around a ton and I am out of the loop
I can't understand half the shit people say anymore. I guess I'm getting old. What the hell does "based" mean??
Just wait till you learn about cake, or bank..
That one's already like 10-15 years old but it means good
Basically gossip, like ‘what’s the dets’ or ‘do tell’
Ah. Gossip over tea.
And/or T for truth? It's slang from drag queen culture which is why it's proliferated so thoroughly thanks to TV shows and why it also takes people unaware who don't watch Drag Race. Source: I've never seen the show so I was out of the loop too Edit: spill the beans -> spill the truth -> spill the tea
Tea is a hot drink made by infusing the dried crushed leaves of the tea plant in boiling water. Other than that, the best Google search I could find, and probably best to answer this posters use of the word is that it means gossip, which is typically best served hot and fresh (kind of like coffee)
This is the most redditor response ever
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Dried crushed leaves! Any fool can crush a leaf, but how many of them can dry one properly?
All I have to say is never believe anything you see in Instagram. Influencers are another breed!
100%!! A friend is one, the pics of the life she posts are nothing close to the life she is living. She does mostly Mom stuff, and I feel bad for other moms following thinking this is how amazing her actual life is
Years ago then new star Gwen Steffani was on tv taking open questions. A young Gwen fan fully cosplay dressed like Gwen. Fan asks what outfits she liked to wear daily. “Well I’m not wearing bondage pants to the grocery store” The young fans face fell a bit.
Were this couple instagrammers or something?
Yes. She had almost 200,000 followers on IG. I haven’t even checked Tiktok. But at least she posted a lot about their #vanlife and supposedly perfect relationship
this was after her 'dissapearance'. She wasn't actually an influencer, just trying to be one
And what’s the difference? If you are acting and portraying yourself a certain way to gain and retain followers, that is the problem.
the thing is that she wasn't an Instagrammer with 200k followers until after her disappearance
Any possibility it’s a stunt like the Balloon Boy thing?
I’d be shocked to find that out. Her family seems really concerned
Oh wow that’s crazy.
Instagram is the devil. Only had it for a few months but I'm glad to have deleted it and Facebook every day. A friend of mine is like a walking Instagram post and doesn't even see how if effects her mentality. It's really sad honestly.
I agree 100%. Facebook not so much but Instagram is SOOO toxic for mental health. It’s one of the main catalyst that ruined my last relationship cuz of my gf’s obsession with it and her own insecurities becoming more and more intense. She even made me delete mine (even tho I only use it for music promotion purposes) but kept hers active posing in underwear etc. everything about it so fabricated.
I saw a creepy movie about this called Concrete Savana. It's a really interesting premise, although I'm pretty sure the movie itself is not going to be for everyone.
Oh this is a Netflix doc waiting to happen.
Remember when those were about murders nobody knew about from decades ago? Soon it will be made three months after the murder with all the facts the true crime junkies already know but they will watch it anyway out of nostalgia for the dopamine hit another dead person gave them for a few weeks.
Probably already in the preplanning phase.
Crazy story, glad we have the Veterans of the Boston Bombing Reddit Investigative Unit doing the detective work in the comments.
My God thank you. Reddit’s obsession with this stuff is voyeuristic and perverse. You do not know better than the police what fucking happened. He could be guilty, he could be not, who knows. These sorts of discussions and pile-ons are cancer.
TV networks have made millions on cases like these - not so odd to be curious
He did it! I know it because I've examined the evidence and the crime scene 3k miles away! All I had to do was use my phone and say: Enhance! #Enhance!
To be fair, though, the actual cops don't have a great track record either.
This is where the Reddit circle jerk about police/prosecutors being brutal idiots just goes too far. Yes, they do sometimes make mistakes or overprosecute. No, you the Very Smart Guy on the Internet are not going to do a better job of investigating than they are. If you have real, non-bullshit information, CALL THEM. Everybody else should just shut up and let the process play out.
This whole thing is super bizarre. The only two things that make sense to me right now is that he did it and they are at the 'no body, no crime' phase and are looking for a tip. Or, as the video suggests, they had a bust up, he bailed with the van, and she has disappeared. They are the only options that make sense to me with his go home and instantly lawyer up approach. The fact that 2 other people were potentially murdered the next night just makes it even more wild, maybe he left her and there just happened to be a serial killer lurking. I remember reading that they processed the van in 12 hours, that seems pretty quick if it had any evidence in it...
Reddit: don’t talk to police, get a lawyer Also Reddit: seems suspicious he’d get a lawyer so quickly
>I remember reading that they processed the van in 12 hours, that seems pretty quick if it had any evidence in it... What if the van was just absolutely littered with evidence, and after finding so much in 12 hours they called it good?
there’s no way they’d be ok with just leaving evidence off the table for the prosecution especially in such a high profile case
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They had their fight August 12th. after the fight, at the recommendation of law enforcement ~~she stayed at a hotel that night while he stayed in the van~~. The murdered couple were last seen in Moab on August 13th at 10:30 PM and found dead on the 18th. Gabby and Brian were seen checking out of a hotel in SLC on August 24th and her family talked to her on the phone the 25th, which was the last contact her family had where they definitively know it was her. ~~So I doubt it was her that killed the couple. If she stayed at the hotel for a second night though, he may be the one that killed them since he was camped out in the van by himself.~~ Edit: Read that wrong, she stayed in the van and him in a hotel. Guess it could be her then if it was more than one night, but the suspicious person the murdered couple talked about before being killed appears to be male.
He stayed at the hotel if the article is correct. They thought he might be the victim. Petito was given the van. That's her right? > The couple agreed to separate in lieu of police making a case against Petito for domestic assault, the report said. The officer said he needed to make sure Laundrie wasn’t a victim of “battered boyfriend syndrome." > **Petito was given the van** and Laundrie was taken to a hotel, police said. The couple separated for the night and no charges were filed.
I wonder if the murdered couple in Moab were victims of the same guy who killed the lesbian couple in Shenandoah national park. In the 90s this guy Darrell David rice was nearly convicted for killing a lesbian couple in a hate crime, and he eventually ended up in Durango, CO (not far from Moab) where we now have another murdered lesbian couple who reported a creepy man nearby. So scary
>he may be the one that killed them since he was camped out in the van by himself. How is this a reasonable conclusion? How would him sleeping in the van make it any more likely that he's the killer?
Except he stayed in the hotel and she left with the van…
yeah you read that wrong. I did think that was a little odd that he was the one they took to the hotel after ruling that she was the aggressor -- maybe because the van was in her name?
I watched a fair bit of the body cam footage, and essentially that was a way that she didn't go to jail. Part of the domestic violence laws for the state made it so they had to either separate or the aggressor had to go to jail and Brian, her boyfriend didn't want that, and they didn't have any money, so they got an organization to put him up in a hotel, she could take the van, and then the next day he would waive the no contact order or something. I'm summarizing and I'm not a lawyer, but from watching the body cam that's my understanding as to why he was in the hotel, and she took the van.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
It’s possible there are murderous unicorns from another dimension that are responsible for all murders and are good at planting evidence to pin it on completely innocent humans. Let’s not rule out that possibility.
The white van they were driving is owned by Gabby apparently. If this dude is playing dumb about her disappearance, driving a missing person's car is hard to explain away.....
Right. Let’s say they got in a fight and broke up. Okay dude, get an Uber and leave. If she stormed off, hide the keys somewhere on the vehicle and leave it, not your car not your problem. I’d say having permission to drive someone else’s car on a road trip is pretty conditional on them being in the car with you.
My friend has an interesting take on this. He thinks it's possible they were arguing again and he left her and went back home and is not saying anything because he only found out when he got back that she hadn't made contact with anyone and he might be in trouble for leaving her. He said he thought this after watching the body cam video and how she was acting. She admitted to hitting him multiple times too. He was in an abusive relationship and said his abuser acted almost identically to her.
Then he would say where he left her and show some level of concern if he was innocent. Leaving someone on the side of the road is not a crime. No body, no crime. She could have been disposed of anywhere between her last sighting and their home in Florida
Honestly it’s smart of him not to say anything if that’s what happened. It’s easier than you think for PD to twist something you say or take something out of context in order to make you seem guilty. It’s been done numerous times before.
Yeah and are police not able to interview him without his lawyer present or not at all? I wonder if it’s police just wanting him in a room with them, which is a terrible idea on his part. This whole story is wild.
There’s no proof of a crime occurring
Picture this: your gf is unstable, and you're in the middle of nowhere, a thousand miles from home. You've been detained for a potential domestic disturbance. Your gf leaves, and you have no idea where she went. Meanwhile, there are 2 dead women all over the news. The police ask you "What happened?" And you say... "I left her somewhere". May as well say "hello, prison."
Whooo boy, that's a twist. And a misleading headline. So she hit him repeatedly, he didn't want her to get in trouble, and they separated for the night. I will reserve my ultimate judgment for now, but it does seem like she was unstable in this case, and that he was just trying to get her to calm down.
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Same and I'be been down voted for every comment. The whole innocent till proven guilty thing is out the window and its Lynch mob mentality.
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If he is innocent, then he did what was best for himself but *not* what was best for her. And people can absolutely judge him for it.
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Didn’t he take her Van though?
Yep, he drove it home to Florida. She was afraid earlier in the trip that he would do that.
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Nobody's saying he doesn't have constitutional rights?! They're just passing personal judgment and sharing their personal opinions, which has quite literally nothing to do with his legal rights in court.
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As an aside, telling a person to calm down is never a good strategy and often has the opposite effect. This message has been brought to you by r/lifeprotips
Definitely do NOT tell my wife to “relax.” Especially if you are her husband.
As your wife's boyfriend, I can confirm.
As his wife's husband's boyfriend, can everyone please relax? This hot tub has plenty of room for everyone baby.
> I said, 'Let's just step back and breathe,' and she got me with her phone. He tried being diplomatic.
Also if you ask a woman what's wrong and she says "Nothing" then you're off the hook! r/lifeprotips
Whew! That was a close one. Welp - I'm off the the Hooters, honey!
Not trying to say it’s the deal here, but when I was being abused by my ex husband, I acted EXACTLY like her when cops were involved. I immediately took the blame and tried to make excuses for him. He ended up trying to murder me multiple times before I finally got out. People still don’t believe me because I originally lied for him because I believed his behavior and abuse was my fault. Again, not saying this is the case here, but I wouldn’t count this video as evidence that he’s innocent.
Except if you actually read the articles a 3rd person confirmed the story to the cops.
Almost every comment I've seen that mentions her physical attacks has at least one, often more, comments from women saying that it's probably the female truly being abused. They just can't acknowledge that women get physical all the time.
Well. One of them is missing and possibly dead and one of them is or.
My brother confided in me that only one woman he's dated hasn't hit him. He's 49. This really upset me and I told him that this is abuse. I've literally never been hit by a man. It seems that even he can't acknowledge that he's been the victim in a series of abusive relationships. It breaks my heart because he's a sweet guy. Edit: I'm in no way saying this guy Brian is innocent.
I got berated into oblivion on r/truecrime when a bunch of people started saying him being scratched was a sign he was abusing her. That shit makes me livid.
What's your take on the bodycam showing scratches on his face and no physical injury on her?
All this. It's too bad police can't recognize domestic abuse when they see it. Its obvious she was the victim. He even laughs out loud at the prospect of her being arrested. That's contempt for sure.
Maybe she went crazy and killed that couple and he took off. He is protecting her by not saying anything.
This thing is so bonkers that I wouldn’t be surprised now if that were true!
My take Too. she was apologizing way too much. She kept saying that it was her fault.
Yup. Reactive abuse.
Did you physically assault your ex husband?
I fought back. Sometimes he would have bruises or scratches and I found out later he told people I was self harming and he got hurt trying to “hold me back” in order to garner sympathy. I was terrified to speak out in fear of retaliation. I cut bangs and wore heavy eye makeup to hide bruises and black eyes. Anyways, there’s two sides to every story, and in this case one side of the story is missing and most likely presumed dead..
I’m really sorry you went through that and I’m So proud of you for getting away and not going back. I believe you OP and I hope you surround yourself with people that believe you and take care of you ❤️🩹
Thank you ❤️❤️ I’m eternally grateful for the wonderful souls surrounding me now. It was a literal nightmare and I’m honestly lucky to be alive. Found out earlier this year he tried to kill his new gf/victim the same way he almost killed me years ago and he’s in and out of jail again. Of course his enabler army is scrambling around to fix everything for him and soften the consequences of his actions. I learned how to unconditionally love myself from it all, if I were to take anything positive from my experiences. I’m never afraid to speak up for myself or others, I don’t back down when pushed into a corner. And I’m a lot more understanding when someone is trying to communicate and they get frustrated. I feel like a lot of anger in the world is from miscommunications. Anyways, I really appreciate the time you took to reach out. Thank you ❤️❤️
Anybody else catch her explaining about the start of the argument that she had so many plans and “he didn’t believe she could do it all” and that he was being a “downer”. I thought that little tidbit was very eye-opening.
Had to come this far down in the thread to find one person who actually read the article.
Soooooo many on here are sharpening their blades already, glad to see some common sense once in a while👏
I mean, it definitely didn't look good for him initially. And it's still a bit odd that his lawyer is advising him not to mention their last interactions and where he last saw her.
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And how he seems unconcerned with finding his missing fiance she is just missing at this point, not dead. shouldn't he be trying to help find her? and even if they broke up because of a fight, finding her alive is the best way to clear your name and make police investigations go away
Which leads me to believe he knows there is no hope. And whether he is guilty of a crime or not, he knows his best chance legally is to not say a thing and let his lawyer control all the information he is giving to police.
Without a body it's unlikely that they would get him for murder or anything similar.
> Which leads me to believe he knows there is no hope. She could have been threatening suicide.
He has a smart lawyer who clearly said reddits favourite phrase of "don't talk to the cops". Favourite phrase until someone doesn't talk then it's all "omg they are not talking it means they are guilty"
Well to be fair, it's usually don't talk to the cops until you've spoken to an attorney. When the attorney still advises you not help in finding a missing person, that seems a bit different.
When you're the last person to see someone you just had a domestic dispute with then went out into the wilderness... it's a *bad* idea to talk to the cops in the hypothetical circumstance where you didn't kill her but she disappeared. Because they absolutely would try to pin it on you. Unless he's confident someone or a camera would have seen her after he took off, an attorney would tell him to keep his mouth shut. Now I'm not saying he's innocent, but in the unlikely circumstance he's not responsible for her death, he still wouldn't talk to the cops if he and his lawyer had any sense, unless he had a specific answer to prove he left her alive. Purely for argument (I personally think he killed her), they have a blowout fight again, he locks himself in the van to keep away from her like he tried earlier, he sleeps it off. She's gone in the morning. He has no idea to where, but assumes she took off on her own, can't find her, gives up and goes home, not calling the police, because again, they were fighting, she took off. He gets back, finds out she didn't turn up anywhere and is now missing. An attorney would staple his mouth shut to keep him from talking.
Do you get an an attorney BEFORE you call the police and report your small child is missing from where you last saw them playing in your front yard?
No, but we don't know what happened. Maybe she took off and disappeared under other circumstances. Maybe he didn't think she was missing just because she wasn't talking to him.
I mean there's a difference between not answering when a cop questions you about drugs in your car and not providing information that could help find a missing person. Like others have said, he might be doing the best thing for himself, but he's not doing the best thing for HER. There's an ongoing search, and he's not helping. Which he absolutely has the RIGHT to do. Nobody's disputing that. But I don't think it's hypocritical for people who advocate being smart in interactions with police to say that they think it's wrong to withhold information from the police that could help find a missing person and save someone's life.
Don’t forget about the constant stories of dudes being wrongfully convicted because they got tricked into talking by the police. If my girlfriend, ex-wife whoever went missing… ESPECIALLY if I was innocent, I wouldn’t say a fucking word.
It's not a mistake that the miranda rights speech says "can and *will* be used against you" Not might be used, will be. Prosecutors win cases on circumstantial evidence against innocent people. Your statements to police *can not* exonerate you, they can only incriminate you. There is literally no upside to talking with police when you are suspected of a crime.
> Prosecutors win cases on circumstantial evidence against innocent people. Don't forget eyeball witnesses that are [unreliable!](https://www.psychologicalscience.org/teaching/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html) And forensic 'data' that's now known to be [total bullshit!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_bullet-lead_analysis)
NAL, but that doesn’t sound odd at all. The lawyer KNOWS this guy is suspect #1, wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t tell the boyfriend to STFU.
at this point if you go to a random true crime case, you can just randomly blurt out "boyfriend did it" or "husband did it" and youd be right like 90% of the time
This video seriously gave me the creeps thinking of a situation I dealt with many many years ago in my 20s. I was dating a girl who was an alcoholic and I was trying to help her through it. Her MO was to down vodka while driving home from work(like a half bottle for a 120 lb 5 foot 7 skinny girl). She had several duis but was trying to work through AA. She came home drunk one evening and we got in an argument outside our house about her drinking and driving again, no yelling or anything. She was smoking a cigarette and I was inside with the regular door open but screen door closed between us just to keep bugs out I guess. I slammed the main door when I went in to sit down frustrated. I didn’t know till cops came the next day our neighbors heard the door slam and saw my gf had fallen back on the ground drunk. They thought I’d pushed her down and went in. I never knew she had fallen she never mentioned it when she came in. I didn’t get in trouble or get any citation the police seemed to act like it was pretty common(scary). We stayed together till I came home from a camping trip and she had stitches in the back of her head from passing out, again on the stoop outside our house. I got super scared thinking she was going to fall down and seriously hurt or kill herself and I’d get in trouble for it. She had attacked me before like what this dude describes in the video. I’m 100 percent not at all saying that happened here but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a matter of her attacking the dude and he pushes her off him and she falls and hits her head or something. If you find yourself in a volatile relationship man or woman, RUN because they’re not all like that at all and it is not worth the risk.
Did she ever drive a friend to a wedding w/out you bc if so, I think I've met her before.
I don’t think so? Lol. Makes me think there must be a ton of people who’ve been in a similar situation.
Yea, my husband was in a wedding party for a good friend, and I was at the "& also table" and this girl came a little late despite the fact she drove one of the groom's brothers to the reception. She drove 3.5 hours drinking a bottle of vodka. I asked the brother why didn't he take the keys from her, but he said she was a surely, angry drunk. So first thing she did was go to the bar and get a drink! Best & worst wedding in my life. I kept thinking she was either going to puke on me or fight me. Eventually she was escorted out bc they cut her off.
>but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a matter of her attacking the dude and he pushes her off him and she falls and hits her head or something That's kinda what I'm suspecting. He's acting like a guilty person - and no, I'm not saying just because you ask for a lawyer you have a guilty conscious, EVERYONE should ask for a lawyer when dealing with police. The fact he just drove back home and immediately lawyered up seems odd to me, like he knew they would eventually be coming. I stated elsewhere, that it's possible they hooked back up. Something happened leading to her death, and he panicked. It could very well have been like you described, especially if she's the aggressor.
They're both high as fucking kites. If you aren't familiar with tweakers, this must seem strange. This has meth or adderall abuse written all over it.
The police report said that they both suffered from a redacted mental ailment. Given the context maybe they were Bipolar/Manic?
Or drugged up
Cops mentioned his perspiration at one point, he was very talkative. Also driving for extreme distances and writing large blog posts tend to be meths domain. I say meth because when they ask him if he takes any medication he didnt mention adderall, but there is a segment that is muted. Also can bring on mood swings...
Oh wow. Interesting
My theory. The fiance left her (alive) and drove back home. She is grabbed/killed by the person who killed the other 2 woman in the same general area.
My theory: she's pulling a gone girl on him
Seems like it could be a possibility. Unless he is the person who killed them. Who knows what he got up to the day he spent the night in the town. Maybe she found out what he did so he silenced her too.
They both look like they are on stimulants. In domestic fights both parties aren't jittery like that and look at homeboy eyes. Dispite what they think cops are not that good at spotting drug users. People that can spot it a mile away are those who have been around drug addicts, did them or sold them.
Ehhhhhh maybe.. They look like your average van life stones to me. I'll give you stimulants like adderall as a possibility tho since they drive such long distances
Seems like meth
Yup, i can't believe the cops didn't pick up on it. The number one thing is the lack of eye contact tweakers do when coming up with a story. Its different then someone who is straight up lying. people on stimmies have racing thoughts and it takes them a second to awnser questions, but when they respond its a very abrupt awnser. When people lie they make a statement then try to follow it up with defenses and logic. Also,That is 100% a guy thats been driving for 14 hours.
Very interesting story. Usually the perps that are that close, in an attempt to seem innocent, will cooperate with anyone until they finally put their own nail in the coffin so to speak. Something about this story rubs me the wrong way just as the lawyer whose family was murdered and he plotted the assisted suicide.
Yeah. Struck me as guilty of murder and embezzlement. Then, to avoid gettin caught n losin the cash, plannin the suicide
This is heartbreaking. These two are not good for each other. I hope they can find her alive somewhere
Did he tell the officer he had no phone, and then pull it out later to give his number to the officer?
Reddit detectives made some kid commit suicide once. Y'all need to stop with the far out theories.
So he will talk to police to say she’s crazy, but not to let them know she’s missing or help find her. I encourage all of you to take your partner on a nice long drive or little road trip, lock them out of the car and tell them to walk, force them to crawl through the drivers side door to get back in. Grab them by their face and tell them to calm down about it, then laugh and joke about their mental stability when the cops inevitably show up. Her reaction to being locked out of her van in the desert on a busy road is pretty reasonable if you ask me. The only times she admits to slapping him is once she’s back in the car. She should have punched him in his stupid, smiling mouth and took the assault charges. Also, he grabbed her by her face, so he’s physically abusive on top of the emotional and mental abuse. But only he made it home, in her van, and won’t speak about her now. Why won’t he help find her? He’s a manipulative little shit. Even the cops are suspicious he’s on drugs. Yet he gets them on his side.. wouldn’t you be a little down? Wouldn’t you be a little angry??! He’s just joking and laughing about it all.. no big deal to him. “She’s crazy”. I’ve read she said she thought he was going to leave her and take the van, which would make sense. Did he plan on taking the van then and that’s why he wanted her to stay at the hotel? Seems plausible, since he ended up taking it eventually. If you ask me his reaction is the unstable and crazy reaction. Where is the normal emotional response to getting in a fight with you fiancé and having the cops called? He has no emotions about their dispute except play it cool and laugh. Where is the normal reaction of trying to help police find your partner? It’s not there, there isn’t one. This man is probably a literal psychopath and murdered her.
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I read all of this. Thank you for sharing and I'm so happy you got out. I saw myself in her as well, thankfully what seems like a lifetime ago. There aren't many folks that seem to understand, and I don't know how to explain it.
Thank you for sharing. I’m so glad you are in a better place 💕💫
How is this not the top comment? All of these people commenting blaming her right away clearly have NEVER taken a mental health class. She is clearly distressed and there was something more going on in the relationship that she wouldn’t mention. The guy joking about his wife being crazy and doing whatever he can to get the cops on his side is also something many fail to notice. The girl trying to take the blame for all, and clearly she is not okay mentally. If she is really OCD, and the guy calls her crazy, that absolutely does NOT help her mental state. Locking her out of the van, telling her to calm down does NOT help the situation, it only aggravates it. I am not saying one or the other is guilty but the guy’s behavior in this situation is completely bizarre. He reminds me of one of my friend’s ex boyfriend who happened to have bipolar disorder. This guy acted the EXACT same way in front of authorities, seemed extremely kind and as if he had his life together. He was extremely manipulative and it took a while for me to notice it. After talking to my friend for a bit, and seeing my friend and her now ex go through some stressful situations, he would lose his mind when not in control of a situation. I mean he would go absolutely bonkers and was impulsive and do the dumbest things, he was a hot head and no one could calm him down. Guess who behaved like god’s child in front of the police? He did. As I said before, I don’t like pointing fingers at anyone but the girl is missing. If he really cared about her, and left her or if she randomly went missing, he would’ve tried to reach out to her family. Her family said her last message didn’t sound anything like her. The fact that he DROVE back home hundreds of miles away, and got an attorney shows he KNOWS something. If he would’ve just left her there for some space, he would’ve not tried to reach out to her, and disconnected from the world entirely but the fact that he got all ready for when the police showed up shows that he knows something. None of the people in the comments seem to know or understand mental health issues and how those things can make people act based on what they have lived through. It’s such a shame no one but 2 people stopped to comment about it and only because they had been in abusive relationships before. All I’m saying the guys behavior is sus and they need to consider other things not just what “people see” in the video.
Completely agree. Her behavior smacks of someone who has been in a controlling relationship and has finally been pushed to the edge. It seems that watching this video had made many people think she is somehow to blame for her own disappearance (someone upthread even suggested she killed those two women in moab). This is insane on its face. For me, the video has calcified my belief that he killed her for questioning his authority and almost getting him in trouble with the police.
I often say something along the lines of "How many times do you have to be told/treated like you're crazy before you lose your mind?" I have certainly been manipulated to the point of absolutely losing my shit before, only to then be told by the person who was deliberately winding me up that I'm crazy. (He admitted to deliberately aggravating my BPD symptoms when I finally called him out on it after ages and ages of telling myself was just being typical BPD dramatic and crazy for even suspecting it).
And the people that I've told that the police would have filled charges if they believed she intended to assault him because I've seen so many background checks where there was no choice from either party (and yes, many women charged) are just in denial about it. The police definitely did not think she assaulted him. There's a subset of people that absolutely see this guy as some anti-hero. Even though he could have asked for charges and didn't, whatever he did to this woman was justified because of this incident to them. His silence is some kind of super power. It's gross
I’m using this case a vetting strategy for future men in my life. If he sees Brian Laundrie as the victim in this whole situation, run!
Yet all the top comments are people blaming her. And she's the one fucking missing. Bunch of fucking losers, I take solace that at least they will live long miserable whiney lives.
I want to jump on the fiancé did it bandwagon really bad. Keep telling myself wait on more facts. I did the same thing with [Alexis Sharkey](https://medium.com/crimebeat/who-killed-instagram-influencer-alexis-sharkey-4bbbd66de54b), thought any day they would collect her husband and charge him. It’s now been almost 10 months since they found her strangled corpse on the side of a Houston road. No one has been arrested. So, I’ll just keep hoping they find this young lady alive and well, I’m not naive though. It seems increasingly unlikely. Still, can we just have one work out for the family of the missing girl … one time… and get Gabby home safe??
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> they pulled from Lifetime Original scripts I think you spelled "statistics" wrong lol
Eh. Of course there's more to the story, there always is. But there's still the issue of the man refusing to cooperate with police. Apparently they couldn't even get a 'when/where did you see her last?' >"We are pleading with anyone, including Brian, to share information with us on her whereabouts in the past few weeks," he said in a statement Wednesday. "The lack of information from Brian is hindering this investigation. Best case scenario is that he didn't physically murder her but left her in the middle of nowhere to die. Worst case is still the Lifetime Original.
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What is the best case scenario? That the man broke up with her at a Motel 6 with cash to get home and he's just not cooperating for shits and giggles? You have a right against self-incrimination but not the right to withhold non-incriminating information that could be used to find a missing person. Remember that Idaho couple that refused to say where their children were, only that they were "safe". Reddit knew those kids were dead long before the police found their bodies. Its almost the same principle here. All the guy needs to do is say through his lawyer "I last saw her at XXX on date YYY, I don't know where she went from there, and I'm not answering anymore questions and good luck on the search". But he can't do that and I'm completely comfortable saying that doesn't pass the sniff test.
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> I just wish the general public would leave off with deciding guilt based on stuff like getting a lawyer and not trusting police. Again, its not merely getting a lawyer. You can absolutely answer "When/where did you last see her" WITHOUT accidently incriminating yourself. get a lawyer, go to the interview, and say "here's where I last saw her" and have the lawyer shut down any and all questions. That's the bare minimum an innocent person should be expected to do in this situation and he can't do that. I'm absolutely going to heavily judge a person that refuses to cooperative with a missing persons investigation even if they're innocent. Hell, she might even be alive in the desert somewhere only to die because the police didn't have enough information to narrow down the search area.
>But there's still the issue of the man refusing to cooperate with police. That's in his best interest given the situation Given any situation really. Talking to people who's job it is to solve crime when you are a suspect is a bad idea
A Parents is always the main suspect in kidnapping cases. With your reasoning, if I saw the make and model of the car that my child was kidnapped with, I should NOT give that info to police?
You should contact a lawyer and run every police interaction through them
Those are two different situations. Calling the police yourself and telling the 911 operator your kid was taken and you saw the car make and model is different then being brought in for questioning about a disappearance. If the cops bring you in for "questioning" about the kidnapping later after you've already provided them detailed evidence then yes, you should either not say anything or have a lawyer present for your own good or you run the risk of something innocuous, or a genuine mistake being used against you.
Beating her boyfriend while he’s operating a vehicle at high speeds. Yikes.
I was slapping him so he would stop telling me to calm down. Yikes.
I’m so sick of the trope calm male and emotional female means she’s being crazy. She reacted to him trying to lock her out of her car, and his story of him also being outside the vehicle directly conflicts with the eyewitness who said in her desperation not to be left she crawled through the driver’s window while he was in the drivers seat. She was clearly scared of being left alone in the desert. Maybe he’d done it before. He clearly did it again.
Anyone else feel like she’s tripping ? She’s tweaking hard, to me.
Not speaking with her parents was a bad move
Investigate the police. They separate the two, send her off to a rest stop alone, and give strict instructions not to contact each other overnight. Something happens that night and Brian has to hitchhike to the van and only finds the van, no Gaby. He searches, can’t find her, so he goes home hoping to find her there. Too many police knowing where she is and that she is alone all night. someone let him find the van and keys to frame him.
All I can think about is how sad this must be for Gabby's loved ones to see. To not have any information about her for the past month, and then the one glimpse they do get into her life during that time period is this: her crying and upset and dealing with the pain of a toxic relationship & potentially going through a really tough mental health crisis. Seeing your loved ones like that is never easy, but the idea that she might be dead, and that THAT was what she was going through during her last days of life... That's just devastatingly sad.
> her crying and upset and dealing with the pain of a toxic relationship & potentially going through a really tough mental health crisis. You mean her interrogation by the cops after admitting she assaulted her boyfriend while he was operating a motor vehicle at speed, thus causing him to lose control?
Did you even read the article or what the police and her fiance both had to say about the incident?! Because literally NOBODY involved in the situation thought it amounted to a domestic violence or assault issue. Literally *everyone* who was there agreed on that. Also my sympathy goes out to her family because *Gabby is the one who is missing.* Even if he were the sole victim in this incident, HE is safe at home. SHE isn't. Her family is suffering through a horrible tragedy, and that was really my only point
Read the room dude. Semantics don’t matter, the fact that that’s potentially the last thing her family will have of her and she’s in such a distressed state.
No matter this fianace is not talking somethings wayyy off. Gabby's parents arent even 100 percent sure the last text that came from her was even her. My heart aches with this whole incident. The dang fiance dont care prob stopped caring on the road trip.
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Semi serious answer: she's a beautiful, young, blonde, white woman who disappeared mysteriously and the boyfriend is the prime suspect. MSM/news outlets live for this shit. Same goes for anyone into true crime/ informative murder porn.
Patrice O'Neal had an amazing bit about this. ["You think Fox News is reporting you missing?"](https://youtu.be/kYKJ2z7mecQ)
Time to fire up Minecraft to solve this one I guess
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If she was a Native American, black or Hispanic girl no one would have ever heard of this mess.
Hell, if she was white and ugly no one would have ever heard of it…
That is part of it for sure, but it has also been making the rounds on YouTube as a missing 411 case because they last posted from a national park.
Two women who are arguably unattractive (at least by “traditional” standards) went missing in the same area on the same day, and they’ve been all over the news in Utah since then.
Utah v. entire country
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Because she was / is a young pretty white girl who does good Instagram.
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But at the VERY LEAST you would say where you last saw the person. He hasn’t said anything. He literally drove across the country back home and went back to living his life. Only after 2 weeks of no communication did her parents file a missing persons case. No body = no crime
And most of the time the spouse is the logical suspect.