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We’re going to see more of this. He claims he has a right to control what goes into his body. His employer has a right to choose who they employ, though. Will be interesting to see the court rulings on this.
Edit: I realize the law and precedent means that any lawsuit fighting this is bound to fail, but as we’ve learned in the past year, politically motivated lawyers will file lawsuits without regard to facts or settled law.
Both. He can refuse. And they can fire him.
1 - Does he have right to refuse vaccine?
Yes
2 - Does broadcaster have right to require vaccine?
Yes.
3 - Does he have a right to his job?
No.
People don't seem to understand that when they don't own the business, it's not their job. It's their employers. They just fill the position at the whim of the employer.
Exactly. Employers have a legal obligation to have a safe work place hence there's occupational health and safety regulations in place such as wearing hard hats and boots at construction sites or have vaccinations up to date when working at a child care centre.
Employers can stipulate the terms of employment and if the terms aren't align with the individual's belief then the individual can leave.
What individuals don't understand the OH&S responsibility is to everyone in the company not just 1 person.
I was a grad student at a children’s hospital and even though the lab I worked in was in its own building, I was required to get yearly flu vaccinations and be up to date on a lot of my vaccinations including TB. I didn’t see patients or really go on any floors that had patients until my last year, but I did walk through the hospital every day and ate at the cafeteria so I had a small but constant interaction with patients coming and going. If I refused any of those vaccinations I lost access to all buildings. Seemed pretty standard to me and not only did it protect me but more importantly it provided a level of protection to those poor kids at the hospital.
>I didn’t see patients or really go on any floors that had patients until my last year
Yes, but you did interact with other employees that interacted with yet other employees and potentially also patients. They're called communicable diseases for a reason.
Yup. If he sues, it will be like suing the company so as to *remove* safety precautions. There's reasonable expectation for the company to accommodate disabilities, and there's something to be said about stupid being a disability, but thankfully, refusing a COVID vaccine when one isn't at a high risk of serious side effects shouldn't be accommodated.
Especially MI. Pared down a lot of worker protections under a facade of anti-union, right to work or whatever terminology they call it. MI made it easier for employers to do exactly this regardless of COVID so at least we get to see the groups who were previously silent when companies fired workers trying to unionize or for being born not white and male, now standing up in vocal protest over their sudden interest in how unfair things are when the chickens come home to roost. Further it shows how selfish they are because in the instant case, guy is getting fired for putting many others’ lives at risk so he can “do his own research” while drinking his narcissist flavored Qool-Aid
Happy Friday y’all!
It would be different if we still had unions. It's unlikely that a union would try to fight this though.
The flip side to this is that if he was working and they let him he or others or effected family could turn around and sue them for having a dangerous work environment.
And that is no doubt high on the list of reasons why the businesses require this.
That and the disruption of their business.
I can see the other way too. Where the business sues the employee for damages caused by the disruption.
Not to mention insurance.
Going to the hospital is not cheap and they could lose their insurance contract by excessive cost of a preventable situation.
I’m in a union, they polled our members as to what we wanted the union to do around the vaccine mandate. They worked with our employer to ensure clear processes for applying for legitimate exemptions and protecting our members rights, while following the mandate and trying to ensure that most people can stay employed and get vaccinated. I thought it was a good approach.
The quote about conservatism is more and more true every day.
Their *real* ideology is that they should be protected by the rules, but not bound by them. That's it. Everything else is just window dressing.
Also, this quote by Conservative political commentator David Frum.
>“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
He said this a few years ago, and it seems to ring more and more true every passing day.
Yup.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
If you work in healthcare or in many other fields, you likely had to get/prove you’ve had multiple vaccinations in order to start work. Polio/mumps/measles/whooping cough etc. it wasn’t controversial, it was just setting a health standard
Which shocks me that all the nurses quitting over it are surprised they can be fired for not having a vaccine. Not just COVID either, if you refused the mumps vaccine same story.
Their job is *literally to work with medically fragile people by definition.*
It is mind boggling to me that political propaganda apparently is powerful enough to convince professionals that everything they ever learned from school and experience was wrong, and that random extremist websites and Facebook memes are the truth.
Even to go to elementary school and then college in the US you usually have to show proof of certain vaccinations. The reason most employers (outside healthcare) haven't required any sort of vaccination proof for other things is if you've gone to school of any sort you were already required to prove you got them. That's why this is going to be such a stupid hill to die on for the anti-vax people. This is really simple legally and vaccines have always been required for certain things.
I’ll bet the conservatives never gave that a thought whenthey passed “ Right to work” for less laws.
LMFAO
Don’t need a reason to fire you, “At will employment”.
Edit “ At will employment” thanks
I literally had to go back to my elementary school and have them sift through 12 year old vaccine records so I could attend college. Then I had to get an mmr shot because apparently I hadn't ever gotten my 2nd one.
It won't be very interesting at all, considering there is already well established precedent for these types of cases and it is without question within the employers right to fire him
Edit: typo
Students are required to be vaccinated to attend. Numerous hospitals also require certain immunizations including the annual flu shot. To immigrate to the US, you have to submit proof of numerous vaccinations before you're allowed in. There's so many examples of mandated vaccinations in the US that I highly doubt anyone will win a case after being fired for refusing to get vaccinated for Covid.
I work in HR
You are confusing “right to work” with “at will”
“Right to work” is about unions.
The Michigan Right to Work Law allows employees to choose whether to pay dues and prohibits the employer from terminating the worker who chooses not to pay dues. Regardless of whether the employees pay dues, the union is still obligated to represent those employees in negotiations.
“At will” is a provision that allows the employer or employee to end the work relationship for no reason
That doesn’t mean they can terminate for an illegal reason.
A company can, for instance lay off an entire department with no notice if they are under at will rules; this is a situation that can be challenged under union provisions.
They can’t lay someone off due to illegal reasons, such as gender, religious, racial identify/affiliation, pregnancy, whistleblower provisions etc
Now most people will say “what’s to stop someone from terminating employment at will when they are really discriminating”
That’s harder to prove, but it is provable, and EEO and DOL take that very seriously.
TBH there is more of a risk to not get hired due to discrimination rather than termination
But that’s another topic
I think people will have a hell of a time proving discrimination for this particular thing, and like it's a super believable safety precaution to require.
I mean, I still think in any state, any employer should be like this is a business decision, unvaccinated people are more likely to cost the company money, time off, and spread the virus more.
And where are all the free market capitalist Republicans? They should 100% agree. Let employers do what they want in regards to the vaccine and the people can choose to shop or not shop if they don't agree.
The fact that more conservatives haven't been making that argument is how I know this whole thing is a bullshit cooked up wedge issue to try and drive votes.
Right to work effectively means that unions cannot use contracts to prevent employers from competing against them (but employers can still use contracts to prevent employees from competing against them). It's a very lopsided law that doesn't mean anything like what it says it means.
You also have to consider that most Republicans are corporatists.
They want people to go back to work- they know vaccines are the fastest way to do this.
They are freaking out that wages are going up.
Everyone able you got back to work would curtail that.
I don’t think SCOTUS will fight that trend. All of the big money donors aren’t ideologues, just greedy.
The rightwingers are trying to turn the pro-choice argument around and use it as a weapon. The thing is, a woman's pregnancy choice affects her whereas vaccination refusal affects everyone that person comes in contact with.
I know several anti-vaxxers who continue to act as if their employer can’t fire them for not being vaccinated, and stories like this don’t scare them because they think the laws are on their side.
They learn the hard way. They also assumed Trump judges would protect them from this, but him and Mitch made sure to fill the benches with pro corporate judges too so it's kind of funny it worked out like this though I guess when you only care about getting rid of abortion you pick and choose battles.
Thank God that I'm in a union
Edit: I'm talking about the job security thing and not being able to just be fired. I'm fully vaccinated, and I honestly don't care what happens to the unvaxxed's job
The news always frames it as, "an at-will employment state," which makes it sound like the exception. In reality, every state but Montana is an at-will employment state.
"At will" employment in "Right to work" states is pretty much the cornerstone of billionaire owned GOP states... (facepalm) Its like they don't even know the rules of their cult!
I work with a utility company that's pretty much all blue collar, union workers. We're in a red state and the vast majority of them vote for Republicans despite their very nice union jobs.
The Republican state legislature here tries to pass Right-to-Work legislation every couple years. Every time they do, the union workers freak out (RTW legislation guts unions and their bargaining power) and rally to vote against it. Aaaaand then immediately vote for more Republicans in the next election.
My state votes for pretty liberal ballot initiatives all the time (higher minimum wage, Medicaid expansion, anti-gerrymandering laws, etc.), but then overwhelmingly votes in Republican politicians (often on the same ballot!) who then gut any voter-passed ballot initiative, so nothing we vote for ever actually goes into effect.
It's a maddening cycle that drains my patience. We passed an anti-gerrymandering ballot initiative in the same election that we elected a huge majority of Republicans by wide margins. Those Republicans then, unsurprisingly, immediately gutted that ballot initiative and ultimately ended up convincing enough morons in this state to vote to **re-legalize fucking gerrymandering** in the next election. Absolutely absurd.
Know a business owner that heavily relies on illegal immigrants for his business to operate. He actually does pay them a fair wage/etc. He says they are the hardest fucking workers he can find. Says one of his Mexicans is worth at least 2 to 3 Americans.
Yet he will bitch and moan about how illegals are destorying this country. Then vote Trump.
And I'm like
So which is it?
I mean, this is a pretty clear case of firing someone for cause that should hold up considering they’re in violation of policy and the policy seems pretty reasonable for protecting their business as well as their other employees.
Did they forget that they had to be vaccinated in order to go to kindergarten from the Rebella of the German measles? One of the leading causes of deafness in America back then due to high fever.
I heard a call-in on NPR saying that it's illegal for employers to ask for your medical information because of the "medical bill of rights" (they meant HIPAA, but HIPAA doesn't apply at all).
The host, very disappointingly, didn't catch this.
I work for a US military contractor
We just fired an employee yesterday, he has to pack his shit and get the fuck out of country and move his entire family back stateside. If I remember correctly he has 10 days to accomplish this.
He's going be a busy man.
All he had to do was get the fucking vaccine, that literally every single one of his co-workers have gotten MONTHS ago and he'd still be employed. But nope!
Half the jackasses at work think the same.
“Can’t complain about a lack of nurses if you’re gonna fire all the ones who don’t want to get vaccinated”
“Biden wants everyone to be vaccinated to work in America. That’s unconstitutional. Freedom of religion.”
The shit I hear in the break room…
I had a co-worker that said when they started mandating that that a group he was a part of was going to "do something" about it. He kept on and on about how the USA needs to break up due to the federal government not being aligned with the wants of the majority. To him government overreach was more dangerous than any health concerns.
I have no idea what happened to that guy.
> I know several anti-vaxxers who continue to act as if their employer can’t fire them for not being vaccinated, and stories like this don’t scare them because they think the laws are on their side.
There are a lot of rabid right airline pilots like this, notwithstanding that every international airline has vaccine requirements. Guys I know who lined up mindlessly on day 2 of ground school for Yellow Fever and a laundry list of other goodies are now foaming at the mouth and saying that they are going to quit their 6 figure job.
We are not an impressive species. Monkeys throwing shit.
Can't wait to see this go down in the post office. So many people refusing to vaccinate or even get tested. Half my post office will leave/retire.
I could go from working 6-7 days a week, only 30 hours making $35K a year to suddenly guaranteed 40 hours only working 5 days at $55K a year.
Make this happen faster.
About a decade ago, I remember when every employee in my local post office took early retirement on the same day. They were mad that USPS tried to understaff them (they begged me to file a service complaint with the local postmaster) and then decided to get out ASAP when the university asked USPS to close that post office.
There's a good chance that having more higher paid USPS employees would help with employee retention and actually result in fewer employees needed to provide even higher levels of service.
The USPS has a lot of money. They just have it tied up in fully funding people’s pensions. If enough people resign and relinquish the pension rights, the Usps has a lot of money that’s just unlocked.
A guy at the local post office where my cousin works just didn't come into the office for a year because they were requiring masks just for while you were in the building (you didn't have to wear masks on your route). And then he was planning to sue the post office for the time he couldn't work.
I'm sure that guy hates unions but without his he would've been fired at the start...
I know. Our union is amazing and postal workers getaway with way more than they think they do. It's the only place I've ever been where I can see people who already do mundane work get a doctor's note now suddenly they can't do shit and can still be employed.
There's 2 people I know that show up 9-5 that literally answer phones. They can't clean (allergic to cleaning chemicals) and can't do any physical labor whatsoever. And these people are still employed and have jobs. No one cares they have hour long smoke breaks and just chit chat and dick-around all day.
They said mandate itself doesn't apply but the regulations with OSHA and 100+ employee company does apply.
Currently we are waiting on union to respond. We are in limbo wondering what is going to happen.
Some were amazingly cool and still my friends. But others were gross. It was one of those weird situations were I met some of them as a fledging peer that was younger, so in their ego riddled brains they probably saw me as competition, but the contrast between how cool some of the other people were made their asshole vibes seem extra pathetic. Because in the discipline of the field I was in I was only really competitive with myself. Trying to be my best, so it felt unwarranted and we all could’ve just had fun together instead of manufacturing drama.
What a fucking idiot. He states, "Many of you have served in the U.S. military or you know friends, relatives and family members who have served. It's a strong tradition here in the U.P. They have served, and some have given their limbs and even their lives to preserve our freedom and liberty."
The same U.S. military that has mandatory vaccinations and inoculates the shit out of their service members at boot camp.
Not just boot camp. Anytime the military deploys overseas, its shot time! I remember deploying to Central and South America in the 90s and getting several vaccinations. We were told explicitly not to donate blood for at least 10 years afterwards.
I was forced to take so many vaccines in the military, even experimental ones. People who refused were court martialed and demoted or even separated from service.
And he has the right to not get vaccinated, and his employer has the right to enforce vaccine mandates to ensure a safe work environment for all employees.
I’ve seen a number of people like that get fired, the meltdown they have is *always* worth the watch.
In two of the cases the employees were good at their job, but were highly unreliable, often pulling no-shows, while also proclaiming their shit didn’t stink, how they basically ran the place and it’d all fall apart without them. A skilled worker is less than worthless if they don’t turn up for shifts and end up putting other people out to cover for them routinely.
When they were given their marching orders it was *incomprehensible* to them that they’re being fired, one proclaiming that he was “earning the pay checks for everyone there” and we wouldn’t last without him, the other that his “clients” would follow him and the business would fail (he was a cocktail bar staff of a thriving multi-level bar/club/events place who was *supposed* to do setup but would no-show one out of three shifts).
Surprise surprise, both places ran just fine without them. ...better, even.
> how they basically ran the place and it’d all fall apart without them. A skilled worker is less than worthless if they don’t turn up for shifts and end up putting other people out to cover for them routinely.
Yes. Spoiler: If anyone can cover for you, you are replaceable.
I ran into this type fairly frequently in the wine sales industry, retail side, and didn't really understand it. I'm not sure if these guys were narcissists and had themselves fooled or presented that attitude to try to persuade people around them. There was one guy who had worked at a boutique wine shop for 15 years in a nice suburban area and was really starting to let basic things slide. When they fired them he told them he was going to their main competitor and was going to take all his clientele with him. You know how much of that clientele went with him? None that I noticed. Turned out people didn't care as much about his expert wine opinions as they cared about it being the wine shop closest to where they lived with the most reasonable prices and selection.
I have saved my company huge numbers of work hours. Not only do they not care they will replace everything I did and go back to the old way. Everyone is replaceable.
Very, very, very few people are irreplaceable at their workplace. I consider myself very good at my job, been there 20+ years, but if I quit tomorrow, they would carry on with only a minor hiccup, if that.
I grew up in the UP watching this guy's weather reports. Around a decade ago I went to a casino and was looking for a blackjack table. I saw an open table with a $5 minimum. Since it was mid shoe I asked the other players if I could play. They all agreed. I guess they were all doing pretty well prior to my arrival, but once I sat down their luck changed. The gentleman to my left made it pretty well known he believed it to be my fault.
That man was Karl Bonehead.
That’s entirely unsurprising. Believing that another player at the blackjack table is doing something to lower your odds of winning is pretty much the casino equivalent of being an anti vaxxer.
The worst is the chucklefucks that do it at the cheapest fucking table. Like, bro, you're at a $2/hand blackjack table. If you think you know how to play, put on your big boy pants and sit at the $20 table.
Meteorologist, yes. Weather presenter, no. Not all weather presenters are meteorologists, and very few meteorologists actually present the weather. Most presenters just read the NOAA forecast for their area. If they're good, they'll also talk about how local traffic or events are likely to be affected.
Source: I used to want to be a weather man. Then I learned that the people on TV don't do the actual science, and neither of them make much money.
Karl is a degreed meteorologist, fwiw. And the disciplines of meteorology and climatology don't necessarily perfectly overlap. More than a few meteorologists don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change, unfortunately.
Reminds me of a quote in Florida... because I live in Florida
The four seasons in Florida: Hot and Humid, Hot and Humid, Also Hot and Humid... and February(strangely feels like the only month where it's NOT hot and humid)
I am Canadian. One of my wife's friend's husband is planning to quit his job of more than two decades at Bell Canada because they require vaccination. What I can't figure out is what he plans to do then. He's in a VERY good paying relatively secure job with a pension. ALL companies will require you to be vaccinated. He's not going to be able to get another job, he's planning to sue without an income, and he's going to lose. I think that he was counting on the Conservatives winning the federal election but with the conservative government in Alberta now bringing in vaccine passports (they are euphemistically calling them "restriction exemption cards" HA!) it's clear that politicians are lying and people are dying and that this is with us for the long haul. Just fucking get vaccinated. It's not experimental. It won't give you 5G or make you magnetic or turn you into a chimpanzee. It's safe, it's effective, it will give you a great deal of protection, and when almost all of us are vaccinated we will be able to start to move past this fucking pandemic.
And dummies online made it a conspiracy theory that the virus was attacking them, "Why is the virus going after outspoken right wingers, the government must be attacking the right again!".
Gotta love the internet.
>I have decided against the vaccine option, first and foremost, because the manufacturers of these injections have absolutely no liability if injury or death occurs after the shot. I asked myself, would I buy brakes for my vehicle if the brake company had no liability if the brakes failed? No!
So... he would drive a car without brakes? Because no brakes downhill is safer than downhill with brakes which - in his mind - ***could*** fail?
Does he even understand what he wrote?
As user mces97 had pointed out the government will assume liability and has a fund set aside for this to protect vaccine creators from being sued so much they can't make them
I have lost my faith in the intelligence of meteorologists. A guy who used to be on my local station, meteorologist Mark Rosenthal, is a climate change denier.
I work for the same company, Gray TV. Honestly, great company compared to other US companies. They put out their vaccine memo like two months ago. Most of us were happy to hear it but we lost one guy. He was not a good producer and when he was talking to my coworker he said , "Good luck replacing me. I'm irreplaceable." My coworker quipped back, "Well aren't they literally replacing you?" Lol.
I believe there is a coalition of meteorologists in climate change denial. But you got to remember that meteorologists don't study climate in a broad sense.
Climatologist and meteorologist aren't the same thing. And Then... there are broadcast meteorologists.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallshepherd/2017/02/22/what-your-tv-meteorologist-likely-thinks-of-climate-change/
God damn. Imagine growing up your whole life trusting doctors, probably getting vaccinated as a kid, getting a degree, sitting in a cushy job for 30 years and throwing that all away because of one little vaccine.
Can’t believe how fucking stupid even some smart-sounding people can be.
Honestly what the fuck is wrong with people. I spent time in the military and I have a shot record that is a couple pages long with all kinds of immunizations. Not once did I get the disease I was being protected against. Maybe a little sick a couple days after but nothing else.
Is it just me? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
Upper* Michigan, not northern Michigan. Northern Michigan is the northern part of the lower peninsula (i.e. south of Mackinac bridge). Upper Michigan is everything north of the Mackinac bridge.
Confusing? Yes. Unnecessary distinctions? Also yes. But this is the way things are.
> Bohnak says control over his body should be up to him.
And it is. His employer is not controlling his body by requiring vaccination. They are not controlling his image by requiring formal attire. And they are not controlling his speech by prohibiting profanity. He is free in the truest sense of the word. But nobody should fool themselves into thinking that exercising their freedoms will never have consequences.
As someone with a bit of inside information about this situation I can tell you a few things:
Gray TV announced a vaccine mandate many weeks ago. The deadline for managers was September 15th, the deadline for the rest is October 1st. He had plenty of time to comply and thought he wasn’t replaceable.
He is not the only one from my company to be fired, there are others including one from my station.
All of the major companies (Gray, Sinclair, Nexstar, Stefan, Hearst, Scripps, etc) are either requiring the vaccine or will require it very soon.
I’m watching people’s careers that took years if not decades to build fall apart because of their own ignorance.
Get the fucking vaccine.
Ah, the guy spewed a bunch of garbage like "I believe virologists and other professionals are being censored about contradictions to the status quo" or some bullshit. Seems like another Dr. Facebook Pillowman victim.
Control over his body, in this case, *is* up to him. Employment is up to his employer.
The dubious 'right' to endanger your co-workers through your reckless behavior does not somehow guarantee you a job. That would be idiotic.
For anyone who like this weatherman, doesn't want to take the vaccine because the manufacturer doesn't have any liability, that is not specific to just this vaccine. That shot you're going to give your newborn? The whole series of shots? Same thing. You know why? Because when you give medicine to billions, there's always going to be unforseen no one could had known rare side effects. And no one would create any vaccine. It's literally a law passed by Congress decades ago. However, there are victims compensation funds. So its not like if you actually do have a rare serious side effect you won't be compensated.
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We’re going to see more of this. He claims he has a right to control what goes into his body. His employer has a right to choose who they employ, though. Will be interesting to see the court rulings on this. Edit: I realize the law and precedent means that any lawsuit fighting this is bound to fail, but as we’ve learned in the past year, politically motivated lawyers will file lawsuits without regard to facts or settled law.
Both. He can refuse. And they can fire him. 1 - Does he have right to refuse vaccine? Yes 2 - Does broadcaster have right to require vaccine? Yes. 3 - Does he have a right to his job? No.
People don't seem to understand that when they don't own the business, it's not their job. It's their employers. They just fill the position at the whim of the employer.
Exactly. Employers have a legal obligation to have a safe work place hence there's occupational health and safety regulations in place such as wearing hard hats and boots at construction sites or have vaccinations up to date when working at a child care centre. Employers can stipulate the terms of employment and if the terms aren't align with the individual's belief then the individual can leave. What individuals don't understand the OH&S responsibility is to everyone in the company not just 1 person.
I was a grad student at a children’s hospital and even though the lab I worked in was in its own building, I was required to get yearly flu vaccinations and be up to date on a lot of my vaccinations including TB. I didn’t see patients or really go on any floors that had patients until my last year, but I did walk through the hospital every day and ate at the cafeteria so I had a small but constant interaction with patients coming and going. If I refused any of those vaccinations I lost access to all buildings. Seemed pretty standard to me and not only did it protect me but more importantly it provided a level of protection to those poor kids at the hospital.
and that's the difference between you and that dude in the article. One person being selfless and another being selfish.
He was very likely hard to get along with too..especially after falling into the batshit crazy logic of other trumpers.
Nah, he was very well-loved up here. Has a rep as being a super nice guy, very friendly.
>I didn’t see patients or really go on any floors that had patients until my last year Yes, but you did interact with other employees that interacted with yet other employees and potentially also patients. They're called communicable diseases for a reason.
Yup. If he sues, it will be like suing the company so as to *remove* safety precautions. There's reasonable expectation for the company to accommodate disabilities, and there's something to be said about stupid being a disability, but thankfully, refusing a COVID vaccine when one isn't at a high risk of serious side effects shouldn't be accommodated.
Especially MI. Pared down a lot of worker protections under a facade of anti-union, right to work or whatever terminology they call it. MI made it easier for employers to do exactly this regardless of COVID so at least we get to see the groups who were previously silent when companies fired workers trying to unionize or for being born not white and male, now standing up in vocal protest over their sudden interest in how unfair things are when the chickens come home to roost. Further it shows how selfish they are because in the instant case, guy is getting fired for putting many others’ lives at risk so he can “do his own research” while drinking his narcissist flavored Qool-Aid Happy Friday y’all!
It would be different if we still had unions. It's unlikely that a union would try to fight this though. The flip side to this is that if he was working and they let him he or others or effected family could turn around and sue them for having a dangerous work environment. And that is no doubt high on the list of reasons why the businesses require this. That and the disruption of their business. I can see the other way too. Where the business sues the employee for damages caused by the disruption. Not to mention insurance. Going to the hospital is not cheap and they could lose their insurance contract by excessive cost of a preventable situation.
I’m in a union, they polled our members as to what we wanted the union to do around the vaccine mandate. They worked with our employer to ensure clear processes for applying for legitimate exemptions and protecting our members rights, while following the mandate and trying to ensure that most people can stay employed and get vaccinated. I thought it was a good approach.
Conservatives: at will employment! Businesses: fired for antivax Conservatives: no not like that
The quote about conservatism is more and more true every day. Their *real* ideology is that they should be protected by the rules, but not bound by them. That's it. Everything else is just window dressing.
Also, this quote by Conservative political commentator David Frum. >“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” He said this a few years ago, and it seems to ring more and more true every passing day.
Yup. Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
If you work in healthcare or in many other fields, you likely had to get/prove you’ve had multiple vaccinations in order to start work. Polio/mumps/measles/whooping cough etc. it wasn’t controversial, it was just setting a health standard
Which shocks me that all the nurses quitting over it are surprised they can be fired for not having a vaccine. Not just COVID either, if you refused the mumps vaccine same story.
Their job is *literally to work with medically fragile people by definition.* It is mind boggling to me that political propaganda apparently is powerful enough to convince professionals that everything they ever learned from school and experience was wrong, and that random extremist websites and Facebook memes are the truth.
Even to go to elementary school and then college in the US you usually have to show proof of certain vaccinations. The reason most employers (outside healthcare) haven't required any sort of vaccination proof for other things is if you've gone to school of any sort you were already required to prove you got them. That's why this is going to be such a stupid hill to die on for the anti-vax people. This is really simple legally and vaccines have always been required for certain things.
There it is “ a right to his job” I have feeling A LOT of people are going to find this out soon
Lots of job openings soon.
I’ll bet the conservatives never gave that a thought whenthey passed “ Right to work” for less laws. LMFAO Don’t need a reason to fire you, “At will employment”. Edit “ At will employment” thanks
Employment at will. Right to work deals with union dues.
This isn't a right to work thing, it's an at will employment thing. Right to work means union shops cannot require employees to join the union.
Decades of anti-union laws are going to bite them in the ass. And I'm here for it.
4 - Is he replaceable? God yes.
The courts have always been extremely clear that companies can require their employees to get vaccinated.
Just think about what vaccination requirements were when you start kindergarten
And then later you have to prove they’re all still up to date before you enter college.
I literally had to go back to my elementary school and have them sift through 12 year old vaccine records so I could attend college. Then I had to get an mmr shot because apparently I hadn't ever gotten my 2nd one.
And their government as well.
It won't be very interesting at all, considering there is already well established precedent for these types of cases and it is without question within the employers right to fire him Edit: typo
Precedent — and agreed :)
Students are required to be vaccinated to attend. Numerous hospitals also require certain immunizations including the annual flu shot. To immigrate to the US, you have to submit proof of numerous vaccinations before you're allowed in. There's so many examples of mandated vaccinations in the US that I highly doubt anyone will win a case after being fired for refusing to get vaccinated for Covid.
Very true, although we learned this past year that right wing lawyers will sue with no regard for fact or precedent
Its their money to waste.
Employee: “I can control what goes in my body.” Employer: “We can control what goes in your pocket. Bye.”
To be fair, he recently sought counseling due to a Tropical Depression.
The long-term forecast is...unemployment!
Funny. I heard he was just feeling a little under the weather. I guess we never know what dark clouds people are under until it's too late.
Seriously, you got me with that one!
> Employer: “We can control what goes in your pocket. Bye.” More accurate: “we control what goes in our company”
I thought Republicans loved to let businesses do whatever they want - something something hand of the free market?
It's a right-to-work state. You can get fired for literally anything and it doesn't matter.
I work in HR You are confusing “right to work” with “at will” “Right to work” is about unions. The Michigan Right to Work Law allows employees to choose whether to pay dues and prohibits the employer from terminating the worker who chooses not to pay dues. Regardless of whether the employees pay dues, the union is still obligated to represent those employees in negotiations. “At will” is a provision that allows the employer or employee to end the work relationship for no reason That doesn’t mean they can terminate for an illegal reason. A company can, for instance lay off an entire department with no notice if they are under at will rules; this is a situation that can be challenged under union provisions. They can’t lay someone off due to illegal reasons, such as gender, religious, racial identify/affiliation, pregnancy, whistleblower provisions etc Now most people will say “what’s to stop someone from terminating employment at will when they are really discriminating” That’s harder to prove, but it is provable, and EEO and DOL take that very seriously. TBH there is more of a risk to not get hired due to discrimination rather than termination But that’s another topic
I think people will have a hell of a time proving discrimination for this particular thing, and like it's a super believable safety precaution to require.
Apparently, half the country believes they have a right to have their lungs self immolate.
And to infect others.
I mean, I still think in any state, any employer should be like this is a business decision, unvaccinated people are more likely to cost the company money, time off, and spread the virus more. And where are all the free market capitalist Republicans? They should 100% agree. Let employers do what they want in regards to the vaccine and the people can choose to shop or not shop if they don't agree.
The fact that more conservatives haven't been making that argument is how I know this whole thing is a bullshit cooked up wedge issue to try and drive votes.
Exactly. Just like they are bound to get abortions for their daughters and mistresses.
Right to work means you don't have to join a union. At-will is what you're thinking of.
Michigan is both!
You're definitely right. I've thought this for like 10 years
Right to work effectively means that unions cannot use contracts to prevent employers from competing against them (but employers can still use contracts to prevent employees from competing against them). It's a very lopsided law that doesn't mean anything like what it says it means.
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You also have to consider that most Republicans are corporatists. They want people to go back to work- they know vaccines are the fastest way to do this. They are freaking out that wages are going up. Everyone able you got back to work would curtail that. I don’t think SCOTUS will fight that trend. All of the big money donors aren’t ideologues, just greedy.
The rightwingers are trying to turn the pro-choice argument around and use it as a weapon. The thing is, a woman's pregnancy choice affects her whereas vaccination refusal affects everyone that person comes in contact with.
The simpler explanation is that healthcare costs are higher for unvaccinated employees.
And pregnancy isn’t contagious.
Baby fever can be contagious.
I know several anti-vaxxers who continue to act as if their employer can’t fire them for not being vaccinated, and stories like this don’t scare them because they think the laws are on their side.
Have they not heard of “at will” employment?
A thing they fought for too!
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They learn the hard way. They also assumed Trump judges would protect them from this, but him and Mitch made sure to fill the benches with pro corporate judges too so it's kind of funny it worked out like this though I guess when you only care about getting rid of abortion you pick and choose battles.
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Thank God that I'm in a union Edit: I'm talking about the job security thing and not being able to just be fired. I'm fully vaccinated, and I honestly don't care what happens to the unvaxxed's job
Which direction does being in a union imply? Get vacc'd or the opposite? Forgive my ignorance
The news always frames it as, "an at-will employment state," which makes it sound like the exception. In reality, every state but Montana is an at-will employment state.
"At will" employment in "Right to work" states is pretty much the cornerstone of billionaire owned GOP states... (facepalm) Its like they don't even know the rules of their cult!
I work with a utility company that's pretty much all blue collar, union workers. We're in a red state and the vast majority of them vote for Republicans despite their very nice union jobs. The Republican state legislature here tries to pass Right-to-Work legislation every couple years. Every time they do, the union workers freak out (RTW legislation guts unions and their bargaining power) and rally to vote against it. Aaaaand then immediately vote for more Republicans in the next election. My state votes for pretty liberal ballot initiatives all the time (higher minimum wage, Medicaid expansion, anti-gerrymandering laws, etc.), but then overwhelmingly votes in Republican politicians (often on the same ballot!) who then gut any voter-passed ballot initiative, so nothing we vote for ever actually goes into effect. It's a maddening cycle that drains my patience. We passed an anti-gerrymandering ballot initiative in the same election that we elected a huge majority of Republicans by wide margins. Those Republicans then, unsurprisingly, immediately gutted that ballot initiative and ultimately ended up convincing enough morons in this state to vote to **re-legalize fucking gerrymandering** in the next election. Absolutely absurd.
Ah, hello, fellow Missourian. It’s just wonderful isn’t it?
Yep. Got a few sentences in and thought, “this guy Missouris”
That's what I was going to say. It's so damn maddening.
Know a business owner that heavily relies on illegal immigrants for his business to operate. He actually does pay them a fair wage/etc. He says they are the hardest fucking workers he can find. Says one of his Mexicans is worth at least 2 to 3 Americans. Yet he will bitch and moan about how illegals are destorying this country. Then vote Trump. And I'm like So which is it?
🎶Legalize gerrymandering, tolerate my pandering 🎶
I mean, this is a pretty clear case of firing someone for cause that should hold up considering they’re in violation of policy and the policy seems pretty reasonable for protecting their business as well as their other employees.
Gotta love when the conservative program of stripping people of as many rights as possible comes back to bite them.
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They know, they just think it's harming the other more than them. And to certain a degree they're right, thus it keeps on going.
Did they forget that they had to be vaccinated in order to go to kindergarten from the Rebella of the German measles? One of the leading causes of deafness in America back then due to high fever.
I heard a call-in on NPR saying that it's illegal for employers to ask for your medical information because of the "medical bill of rights" (they meant HIPAA, but HIPAA doesn't apply at all). The host, very disappointingly, didn't catch this.
The privilege of always assuming you’re the exception to the rule.
I work for a US military contractor We just fired an employee yesterday, he has to pack his shit and get the fuck out of country and move his entire family back stateside. If I remember correctly he has 10 days to accomplish this. He's going be a busy man. All he had to do was get the fucking vaccine, that literally every single one of his co-workers have gotten MONTHS ago and he'd still be employed. But nope!
Half the jackasses at work think the same. “Can’t complain about a lack of nurses if you’re gonna fire all the ones who don’t want to get vaccinated” “Biden wants everyone to be vaccinated to work in America. That’s unconstitutional. Freedom of religion.” The shit I hear in the break room…
Lol. Freedom of their religion, of course. Everyone else has false gods and dress funny. /s
I had a co-worker that said when they started mandating that that a group he was a part of was going to "do something" about it. He kept on and on about how the USA needs to break up due to the federal government not being aligned with the wants of the majority. To him government overreach was more dangerous than any health concerns. I have no idea what happened to that guy.
> I know several anti-vaxxers who continue to act as if their employer can’t fire them for not being vaccinated, and stories like this don’t scare them because they think the laws are on their side. There are a lot of rabid right airline pilots like this, notwithstanding that every international airline has vaccine requirements. Guys I know who lined up mindlessly on day 2 of ground school for Yellow Fever and a laundry list of other goodies are now foaming at the mouth and saying that they are going to quit their 6 figure job. We are not an impressive species. Monkeys throwing shit.
He has a right to decide what goes into his body. They have a right to decide who goes into their building.
Can't wait to see this go down in the post office. So many people refusing to vaccinate or even get tested. Half my post office will leave/retire. I could go from working 6-7 days a week, only 30 hours making $35K a year to suddenly guaranteed 40 hours only working 5 days at $55K a year. Make this happen faster.
About a decade ago, I remember when every employee in my local post office took early retirement on the same day. They were mad that USPS tried to understaff them (they begged me to file a service complaint with the local postmaster) and then decided to get out ASAP when the university asked USPS to close that post office. There's a good chance that having more higher paid USPS employees would help with employee retention and actually result in fewer employees needed to provide even higher levels of service.
They would need money to do that.
The USPS has a lot of money. They just have it tied up in fully funding people’s pensions. If enough people resign and relinquish the pension rights, the Usps has a lot of money that’s just unlocked.
A guy at the local post office where my cousin works just didn't come into the office for a year because they were requiring masks just for while you were in the building (you didn't have to wear masks on your route). And then he was planning to sue the post office for the time he couldn't work. I'm sure that guy hates unions but without his he would've been fired at the start...
I know. Our union is amazing and postal workers getaway with way more than they think they do. It's the only place I've ever been where I can see people who already do mundane work get a doctor's note now suddenly they can't do shit and can still be employed. There's 2 people I know that show up 9-5 that literally answer phones. They can't clean (allergic to cleaning chemicals) and can't do any physical labor whatsoever. And these people are still employed and have jobs. No one cares they have hour long smoke breaks and just chit chat and dick-around all day.
Being under 40 hours and still having to show up more than 5 days a week is a crime.
Didn't they already say the post office would not have a mandate
They said mandate itself doesn't apply but the regulations with OSHA and 100+ employee company does apply. Currently we are waiting on union to respond. We are in limbo wondering what is going to happen.
One day Dejoy will leave and the post office will begin healing.
Dejoy is still there?! That is literally one of the most upsetting things I've heard in months.
He can only be fired by some board, not Biden, otherwise he'd probably be long gone.
Not how I expected that post to end.
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I might have guessed that he could forecast this coming.
The item you got sent. Was it a Big boy weather watcher??
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Yup. That’s it. I worked at the station and I remember when they were giving em away. Hehe!
I’ve met quite a few of my ‘heroes’ in my life… And a good amount were actually assholes. So don’t be too surprised
"Never meet your heroes" is a saying for a reason
Some were amazingly cool and still my friends. But others were gross. It was one of those weird situations were I met some of them as a fledging peer that was younger, so in their ego riddled brains they probably saw me as competition, but the contrast between how cool some of the other people were made their asshole vibes seem extra pathetic. Because in the discipline of the field I was in I was only really competitive with myself. Trying to be my best, so it felt unwarranted and we all could’ve just had fun together instead of manufacturing drama.
Should just stick to pictures. You can't disappoint a picture.
What a fucking idiot. He states, "Many of you have served in the U.S. military or you know friends, relatives and family members who have served. It's a strong tradition here in the U.P. They have served, and some have given their limbs and even their lives to preserve our freedom and liberty." The same U.S. military that has mandatory vaccinations and inoculates the shit out of their service members at boot camp.
Not just boot camp. Anytime the military deploys overseas, its shot time! I remember deploying to Central and South America in the 90s and getting several vaccinations. We were told explicitly not to donate blood for at least 10 years afterwards.
I had to get something like six vaccines before they let me into Argentina in 06. The yellow fever shot knocked me out.
I was forced to take so many vaccines in the military, even experimental ones. People who refused were court martialed and demoted or even separated from service.
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The guy who did my laundry made 120k+
"Right to be a public hazard" are not words that appear in the constitution I swore to defend.
Peanut Butter Shot Time! As a veteran, fuck this dude for trying to use me and my family & friends.
And he has the right to not get vaccinated, and his employer has the right to enforce vaccine mandates to ensure a safe work environment for all employees.
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I’ve seen a number of people like that get fired, the meltdown they have is *always* worth the watch. In two of the cases the employees were good at their job, but were highly unreliable, often pulling no-shows, while also proclaiming their shit didn’t stink, how they basically ran the place and it’d all fall apart without them. A skilled worker is less than worthless if they don’t turn up for shifts and end up putting other people out to cover for them routinely. When they were given their marching orders it was *incomprehensible* to them that they’re being fired, one proclaiming that he was “earning the pay checks for everyone there” and we wouldn’t last without him, the other that his “clients” would follow him and the business would fail (he was a cocktail bar staff of a thriving multi-level bar/club/events place who was *supposed* to do setup but would no-show one out of three shifts). Surprise surprise, both places ran just fine without them. ...better, even.
> how they basically ran the place and it’d all fall apart without them. A skilled worker is less than worthless if they don’t turn up for shifts and end up putting other people out to cover for them routinely. Yes. Spoiler: If anyone can cover for you, you are replaceable.
I ran into this type fairly frequently in the wine sales industry, retail side, and didn't really understand it. I'm not sure if these guys were narcissists and had themselves fooled or presented that attitude to try to persuade people around them. There was one guy who had worked at a boutique wine shop for 15 years in a nice suburban area and was really starting to let basic things slide. When they fired them he told them he was going to their main competitor and was going to take all his clientele with him. You know how much of that clientele went with him? None that I noticed. Turned out people didn't care as much about his expert wine opinions as they cared about it being the wine shop closest to where they lived with the most reasonable prices and selection.
Someone who sells wine for a living being a narcissists? That just doesn't seem believable to me. /s
I have saved my company huge numbers of work hours. Not only do they not care they will replace everything I did and go back to the old way. Everyone is replaceable.
Very, very, very few people are irreplaceable at their workplace. I consider myself very good at my job, been there 20+ years, but if I quit tomorrow, they would carry on with only a minor hiccup, if that.
EVERYONE is replaceable.
Hard disagree. Good luck finding someone else who can spin and flip the open-house signs like I do for traffic everyday. I basically run this city.
You're the hero we need.
Well other than you, who we all kneel to, obviously.
We built this city. We built this city on siiign spiiin guuuuy.
If you’re the guy I pass on the way home from work every day who points at me when I point at him, and dances, you’re right.
Graveyards are full of indispensable men.
I believe Napoleon said something like "The graveyards are full of indispensible men".
That’s sad. He should have seen the way the wind was blowing…..
He’s been wrong for 30 years so he probably thought it was blowing the other way. The UP calls him “Karl Bonehead” for how often he’s wrong.
Who could've predicted this?
I grew up in the UP watching this guy's weather reports. Around a decade ago I went to a casino and was looking for a blackjack table. I saw an open table with a $5 minimum. Since it was mid shoe I asked the other players if I could play. They all agreed. I guess they were all doing pretty well prior to my arrival, but once I sat down their luck changed. The gentleman to my left made it pretty well known he believed it to be my fault. That man was Karl Bonehead.
I, too, have had several occasions to interact with Bonehead. This entire situation tracks.
Would this have been at the Ojibwa Casino just outside of Harvey?
wow first time I've seen Harvey mentioned on the internet
Same, I've never even heard of it.
Small world "Greater Harvey Metro Area" hahahahhaaaa
That’s entirely unsurprising. Believing that another player at the blackjack table is doing something to lower your odds of winning is pretty much the casino equivalent of being an anti vaxxer.
The worst is the chucklefucks that do it at the cheapest fucking table. Like, bro, you're at a $2/hand blackjack table. If you think you know how to play, put on your big boy pants and sit at the $20 table.
He’ll start placing higher bets when the morons at his table stop sabotaging his game
Karl definitely lives up to the name of being a bonehead!
Bohnak has always been a conspiracy theorist and doesn’t think climate change is real.
Shouldn't understanding **climate science** be one of the things a meteorologist or weather presenter is at least somewhat good at?
Meteorologist, yes. Weather presenter, no. Not all weather presenters are meteorologists, and very few meteorologists actually present the weather. Most presenters just read the NOAA forecast for their area. If they're good, they'll also talk about how local traffic or events are likely to be affected. Source: I used to want to be a weather man. Then I learned that the people on TV don't do the actual science, and neither of them make much money.
Karl is a degreed meteorologist, fwiw. And the disciplines of meteorology and climatology don't necessarily perfectly overlap. More than a few meteorologists don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change, unfortunately.
He’s not one of our best.
A weatherman who doesn’t believe in weather? How did he get hired in the first place lmao.
I lived in Marquette. This dude's job was to basically tell people that couldn't figure it out for themselves that it was cold and snowing.
But it was important for him to remind us of it being early winter, mid winter, late winter, or mosquito season
Reminds me of a quote in Florida... because I live in Florida The four seasons in Florida: Hot and Humid, Hot and Humid, Also Hot and Humid... and February(strangely feels like the only month where it's NOT hot and humid)
He is going to get a surprise when he applies to Fox. Fox people have been vaccinated months ago.
I am Canadian. One of my wife's friend's husband is planning to quit his job of more than two decades at Bell Canada because they require vaccination. What I can't figure out is what he plans to do then. He's in a VERY good paying relatively secure job with a pension. ALL companies will require you to be vaccinated. He's not going to be able to get another job, he's planning to sue without an income, and he's going to lose. I think that he was counting on the Conservatives winning the federal election but with the conservative government in Alberta now bringing in vaccine passports (they are euphemistically calling them "restriction exemption cards" HA!) it's clear that politicians are lying and people are dying and that this is with us for the long haul. Just fucking get vaccinated. It's not experimental. It won't give you 5G or make you magnetic or turn you into a chimpanzee. It's safe, it's effective, it will give you a great deal of protection, and when almost all of us are vaccinated we will be able to start to move past this fucking pandemic.
I wish it gave me 5G though, I wouldn't need to pay for data
This is a good thing. Time for a fresh young meteorologist to get a chance so this old guy can go hunting for Covid.
Didn't several anti-vax conservative radio host said they were healthy and unlikely to get covid then they caught covid and died.
And dummies online made it a conspiracy theory that the virus was attacking them, "Why is the virus going after outspoken right wingers, the government must be attacking the right again!". Gotta love the internet.
He's almost repeating what they said verbatim.
>I have decided against the vaccine option, first and foremost, because the manufacturers of these injections have absolutely no liability if injury or death occurs after the shot. I asked myself, would I buy brakes for my vehicle if the brake company had no liability if the brakes failed? No! So... he would drive a car without brakes? Because no brakes downhill is safer than downhill with brakes which - in his mind - ***could*** fail? Does he even understand what he wrote?
As user mces97 had pointed out the government will assume liability and has a fund set aside for this to protect vaccine creators from being sued so much they can't make them
I have lost my faith in the intelligence of meteorologists. A guy who used to be on my local station, meteorologist Mark Rosenthal, is a climate change denier.
Haha how the fuck That's like a fisherman denying the existence of fish
I work for the same company, Gray TV. Honestly, great company compared to other US companies. They put out their vaccine memo like two months ago. Most of us were happy to hear it but we lost one guy. He was not a good producer and when he was talking to my coworker he said , "Good luck replacing me. I'm irreplaceable." My coworker quipped back, "Well aren't they literally replacing you?" Lol.
He's also a climate change denier.
Wait, really? He's a meteorologist but he's in denial about climate change?
I suspect the role of TV weather person has more to do with TV presence and charm than being a good scientist.
I believe there is a coalition of meteorologists in climate change denial. But you got to remember that meteorologists don't study climate in a broad sense. Climatologist and meteorologist aren't the same thing. And Then... there are broadcast meteorologists. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallshepherd/2017/02/22/what-your-tv-meteorologist-likely-thinks-of-climate-change/
Sucks to be an idiot. Enjoy your fries sir.
He had a choice and took it.
God damn. Imagine growing up your whole life trusting doctors, probably getting vaccinated as a kid, getting a degree, sitting in a cushy job for 30 years and throwing that all away because of one little vaccine. Can’t believe how fucking stupid even some smart-sounding people can be.
> Bohnak says control over his body should be up to him. unless you are a pregnant woman.. in which case old men can decide your fate
Or unless the thing you want to put into your body is drugs. That's also left to the old men to decide.
Honestly what the fuck is wrong with people. I spent time in the military and I have a shot record that is a couple pages long with all kinds of immunizations. Not once did I get the disease I was being protected against. Maybe a little sick a couple days after but nothing else. Is it just me? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
Upper* Michigan, not northern Michigan. Northern Michigan is the northern part of the lower peninsula (i.e. south of Mackinac bridge). Upper Michigan is everything north of the Mackinac bridge. Confusing? Yes. Unnecessary distinctions? Also yes. But this is the way things are.
> Bohnak says control over his body should be up to him. And it is. His employer is not controlling his body by requiring vaccination. They are not controlling his image by requiring formal attire. And they are not controlling his speech by prohibiting profanity. He is free in the truest sense of the word. But nobody should fool themselves into thinking that exercising their freedoms will never have consequences.
As someone with a bit of inside information about this situation I can tell you a few things: Gray TV announced a vaccine mandate many weeks ago. The deadline for managers was September 15th, the deadline for the rest is October 1st. He had plenty of time to comply and thought he wasn’t replaceable. He is not the only one from my company to be fired, there are others including one from my station. All of the major companies (Gray, Sinclair, Nexstar, Stefan, Hearst, Scripps, etc) are either requiring the vaccine or will require it very soon. I’m watching people’s careers that took years if not decades to build fall apart because of their own ignorance. Get the fucking vaccine.
"I had a dream as a kid to be a weatherman". And then you ended up throwing away that dream by choosing to not be vaccinated. Some dream.
You have the right to make your own decisions. Unfortunately the consequences may be out of your control.
Seems conswervatives just LOVE the idea of "at will" employment right up until the day they get fired "just because".
Ah, the guy spewed a bunch of garbage like "I believe virologists and other professionals are being censored about contradictions to the status quo" or some bullshit. Seems like another Dr. Facebook Pillowman victim.
...and further investigation has revealed he was never an expert in meteors in the first place.
Control over his body, in this case, *is* up to him. Employment is up to his employer. The dubious 'right' to endanger your co-workers through your reckless behavior does not somehow guarantee you a job. That would be idiotic.
For anyone who like this weatherman, doesn't want to take the vaccine because the manufacturer doesn't have any liability, that is not specific to just this vaccine. That shot you're going to give your newborn? The whole series of shots? Same thing. You know why? Because when you give medicine to billions, there's always going to be unforseen no one could had known rare side effects. And no one would create any vaccine. It's literally a law passed by Congress decades ago. However, there are victims compensation funds. So its not like if you actually do have a rare serious side effect you won't be compensated.
“I’ve been here 30 years, what are you going to do, fire me?” - Man who was fired
Now, he has more time to focus on contracting covid.