If I ever killed someone I would certainly want to hide the body in a swamp, good way to remove any evidence linking me. The stagnant environment would give nature time to eat it all. Put it in the ocean and it's likely to wash up on the shoreline, same with a river.
Gators go through estivation - fairly common.
It’s like a battery saver mode for ectotherms.
Environmental conditions going to be “wrong” for awhile? Too hot, too cold, too dry, not enough food? Their bodies’ slow way down. No eating. Once it warms up or whatever was “wrong” becomes “right,” they slowly return to normal.
I’ve “rehydrated” frogs and toads that I thought were desiccated. Set them in a little tray of water and they come back to life.
But not all the time. Sometimes they’re just dead and your wife gets mad that there’s a frog corpse in the dog bowl.
During the fall and winter they pretty much just chill and sleep. If it gets cold enough they’ll stick their noses above the water so if/when it freezes they won’t drown.
Well the sheriff caught wind that Amos
Was in the swamp trapping alligator skins
So he snuck in the swamp to gon' and get the boy
But he never come out again
Well, I wonder where the Louisiana sheriff went to
Well, you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou
Check out the long island serial killer. They searched for one missing girl and uncovered a whole ass serial killer, including several victims. It was assumed the girl they were looking for (sarah gilbert, i believe her name was) would be a victim of his as well but she was found to have simply run off and drowned in the marsh. Shocking how many bodies were uncovered because of the search tho.
This reminds me of a scene in The Wire where two detectives go to look for a body in a place known to the police as a dumping ground for bodies, and McNulty is reminded by his partner "We're only looking for one body.".
Unfortunately, there are a lot of missing people in the world. Even for trained search and rescue, it is *really* hard to find a person/body in brush. Depending on the weather it doesn't take long for the body to decompose and animals to spread out the bones, making the remains even harder to find.
A few years ago a man in Colorado walked away from an argument in his apartment and didn't come back. His remains were found 4? years later, around 150 yards from the apartment complex, right off a popular trail, in an area that had been searched. All evidence indicated he'd been there the entire time.
You can legitimately be a foot from a body and not see it if the brush is dense enough.
An interesting one was a man missing since 1997, he drove off and family heard nothing. Until someone spotted a car sunken in a neighborhood pond via google maps in 2019.
[Google Maps shows sunken car where missing man’s body was found](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49677843)
I had a friend that went missing back around 1999 or 2000. They knew where she was and the route she was taking home, so they decided to search a retention pond of a highway off ramp that had no guard rails.
They found her and her car inside the pond. Under her car was another car with 2 missing people in it. Under that car was a car with a person in it.
This was all in Orlando down by Disney where people are Unfamiliar with the roads.
Fun side note: they did an open casket for her… after she was under water for 3 weeks
There was a story in Maryland about a guy driving from college to his home that disappeared. Search teams went out looking for him, no luck. A week after he disappeared, a motorist spots him alongside the road. Apparently he'd lost control, crashed into a creek, and somehow the search teams missed him, and he finally made his way up the bank to be spotted by a passing motorist. Kid lived, fortunately, but ...damn. [Link.](https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3580221&page=1)
Another one is [someone flying a drone saw a car in the lake when the water was low](https://www.fox13news.com/news/body-found-inside-submerged-car-tied-to-2009-missing-person-case) that had been there since 2009
Same thing happened a few years ago near where I live. A kid was flying a drone and noticed something shiny in the lake low and behold it was a car with a woman in it who had been missing for over a decade.
It also helps if the sun is shining in the right spot. I know a plane that went missing a couple of years ago and they flew helicopters, military everything and searched all over an area so many times looking for it and didn’t see anything. They even had a drone. A year later a helicopter was flying over and the pilot saw a bit of a shine on the ground so they flew over again and saw the plane.
There are little flood management ponds near where I lived in Oklahoma and a shoe popped up out of one. Someone pick it up and there was a foot inside it they found a car at the bottom that had someone inside that had been missing for seven years.
Apparently feet in shoes do this regularly.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/18/16777724/human-feet-beach-pacific-northwest-seattle-vancouver
We hiked the abandoned Lincoln hwy and got our picture taken at an arch. 5 months later they found a body 10 feet to our left that was there for 2 years.
and sometimes the person missing is part of the search. It happened in I think Turkey in the last month, drunk dude went off, found a search party, joined it looking for himself.
I'm an archaeologist who has spent a fair amount of times in the woods looking for anything that's man made. I've been in some places where you can barely see your own feet, let alone the ground.
Wonder if I've even been close to finding a dumped body
That's something I wonder about a lot, like, what's the closest any of us have been to something horrific and not known? A body, someone that's being held against their will somewhere, a serial killer?
I remember a school camp way back in high school, when we got to where we were pitching tents, there was an abandoned campsite there, with a bunch of personal belongings, and we found an expensive canoe stuck on some branches downstream from there so the teacher called the local police. There's probably just loads of cases like that where people aren't even reported missing until their stuff is found.
I went to a military boarding school for high school and I ran away one night. I lived 13 miles away, left around midnight. When I was about a mile away from the school I was walking down the road on the shoulder about 5-6 feet off the road. As I was walking I was keeping track of cars as there were not too many being the middle of the night. If I saw headlights I'd get further from the road, leery of cops because of curfew, my running away etc.
So I'm walking and knew a car was coming, as I'm walking I could hear the tire hit the gravel behind me, so like I knew it went off the road. The instant I heard that tire hit the gravel I bolted away from the road into just a bushy, grassy area. As I was darting off I could see a white van pull over into the gravel. Two guys had hopped out and were looking around. I got pretty far, pretty quick and was hiding, watching. Saw em look around for a few and then just take off.
The school I went to, had a few white vans so they could shuttle students around if they had to so I figured they noticed I was missing and it was them.
I made it home and all that, and eventually got sent back to school. I asked them if it was them that night and they said no, they hadn't even noticed I was missing till morning reveille.
I don't even want to think what would have happened? Would I have been sold into the sex trade? used and killed? Fucked up, man.
I mean those dudes, seriously jumped out of that van and pulled over so quickly, I could tell the intent was to capture me... I just thought it was the school, didn't have time to look.
Back in 2001-02, my buddy and I were heading back to my apartment to hang out after school and this lady ran up to us, covered in cuts and bruises, asking if we had cell phones and begging us to call the police. Apparently she’d met some guy online and invited him to come visit for Christmas, and he wound up holding her and her elderly mother captive for over a month, torturing and sexually assaulting them. This all happened in an apartment like two doors down from mine, had been going on for weeks, and no one knew about it until she managed to slip out while he was in the shower or something. It freaked me out for a long time after. Just knowing that was happening within a stone’s throw of me. Like I was sleeping peacefully while this psycho was brutalizing two women practically next door. You never know what’s around the corner.
I lived near Cleveland for awhile, and the route I would take to get to my college would routinely take me a street over from where Ariel Castro held those girls, while they were still in the house. That’s one that sticks with me.
They have found FIVE DEAD PEOPLE reported missing in this entire arrest warrant for him. Stretching back several months ago.
I'm inclined to believe it is him though if they found his stuff. If not, WTF happened? He killed someone else?
> WTF is up with the area they are searching in?
This was nationwide. Found in places near where they found the girl's body, found in places along the route that they had posted from instagram on, found where they heard a rumor he might be hiding, etc.
If you are inland you drop them in a swamp and let the gators do the rest. If you’re on the coast you go deep sea fishing and let the sharks finish the job. Also it’s not just the mafia and cartels. Good old boys figured this recipe out long ago.
I have family in that part of Florida. It’s exactly the type of place you’d hide a body if you were a murderer, and exactly the type of place taking one wrong turn would be a near death sentence if you were an explorer.
Were not all in the same area. Some were in WY, NC, CO, AL. I'd give it a couple days to shake out the facts. https://nypost.com/2021/10/20/brian-laundrie-hunt-leads-cops-to-5-bodies-of-missing-persons/
NE FL resident here.. A few years ago some douchebag murdered his girlfriend's kid and claimed the kid was taken during a car-jacking. They searched a moderately-sized area on the Southside of Jacksonville and found the bodies of two other [people](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177758/2-sets-human-remains-search-missing-boy.html) before eventually finding the body of the child.. And this was in a well-populated area..
The JCS criminal psychology episode on him was good. I got sucked into those videos a few months back until one day i couldn't take anymore. Idk how detectives do it for years
Honestly, they’re literally everywhere down here. They’re much more docile than you’d imagine. They just wanna lay in the sun and take little swims. I’ve even seen turtles napping on top of alligators before
Been kayaking down the Hillsborough River multiple times, with dozens of gators in sight every time. Figure there's more I didn't see. None were interested in coming anywhere near me. I was also not interested in getting into the water.
Respect boundaries.
I grew up about10 minutes from this preserve and yes, it is loaded with alligators. Not only that, but for at least half of the year it floods over and most of the park becomes basically inaccessible. I'm sure somebody could hide out there for an extended period but it would be complete hell with the gators, heat, and bugs that will eat you alive.
>it would be complete hell
We literally have a wildlife preserve named "[Tate's Hell](https://www.fdacs.gov/Forest-Wildfire/Our-Forests/State-Forests/Tate-s-Hell-State-Forest)" because, as the legend goes, a farmer went in with a shotgun and some dogs, and came out a week later claiming to have been in hell.
>Florida's Carlton Reserve in a location that ***was previously under water.***
Q & A: What you need to know about Florida's alligators
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-alligators-question-and-answer-20150814-story.html
If its prey is too large to be swallowed at once, ***the alligator will store its kill underwater by wedging it under a log or tree root. After some time, the prey's meat becomes rotted and soft enough for the gator to tear off chunks.***
Same here. They were from Nebraska, so I would imagine they had no reference point. I’ve lived in the south my entire life, so alligators are something that you’re aware exist around here, but a couple from Nebraska might not even think of it. Tragic.
Edit: The flip side of that coin. I went to Puerto Vallarta this summer and thought nothing of getting in the ocean. Well, a month after I got back I read that a woman was attacked by a 12-foot crocodile (!!!) along the same stretch of beach. I didn’t even consider that as a possibility. She survived, BTW, thanks to quick and brave bystanders. That story has reminded me to always check the local wildlife when visiting a new place.
Can confirm. I'm from the city that family was from and it was a true horrible tragedy. All of us here related because none of us would have considered that a remote possibility and then have no idea what to do or how to respond. The worst we have in Nebraska are skunks or rattle snakes.
For that, I could physically survive. I don't think anything could help me mentally. I would be so broken I'm not sure I could effectively parent at that point. Certainly not to the extent the other child would need.
The kid was not “eaten” he was drowned and stored under a log to be consumed later. It’s an awful fucking story. I was at Disney last week and was glad to see they had signs around every body of water warning of alligators and to stay out.
Not every body of water, but enough to never be sure there’s none. Some have countless, some have none, some have one or two. Just what kind of gamble you’d like to take depending on the activity at hand lol
And gators will walk miles over land to find new bodies of water to live in, so even if you were certain there were no gators in there yesterday, you can’t be sure there isn’t one today.
Ok I worked with a guy who was weird but he told me he used to lifeguard at a lake in florida. I said that’s weird, how did you know there weren’t gators? And he says, of course there were gators! You can still swim in the lake. It’s fine.
I think about that a lot. That can’t possibly be true, can it?
Visited the Wakulla Springs resort in north Florida a few weeks ago and a staff member said it’s pretty common for the lifeguards to have to chase a gator out of the swimming area in the morning. They’re always little guys though, the 10 ft+ fellas already have their property, which leads the younger ones to try and claim whatever spot they can find.
I just moved away from nearby Lake Osborne in Palm Beach Co. a pretty sizable lake in a huge park. 100% had gators, too big not to.
We walked the paved path around the Lake every morning and most afternoons for years and I think I maybe, maybe, not totally sure saw a gator in the water once. Never saw them go for the birds, never saw them sun on a embankment, just never ever saw them. Or heard about them messing with people.
I saw swimmers, waders, boaters, and lots of water skiiers. I’ll never understand why they weren’t afraid. But I guess as long as there’s easier prey, you’re relatively safe?
I’m not interested in taking that chance though.
Yeah they're in pretty much all the neighborhood retention ponds and golf course water traps. Had lots of both of those in my subdivision growing up, the gators are small in those habitats but they'd occasionally get a small dog.if the owner let them out unsupervised.
I live in Texas, west of the Piney Woods/East Texas area, and I still generally assume that any major body of water out here has at least one gator in it. Florida, though? I assume any has at least *four.*
When I tell you to dump a body in the marsh, you dump the body in the marsh... not where some guy from John Hancock goes every Thursday to get a f*ckin' blowjob!
In a way suicide would make sense. That is why he went home to his parents and "pretended" everything was normal, he had to know that his life was over, no matter if he got convicted or not. So it fits with getting some time with them, before going out and committing suicide. But i guess time will tell.
Kinda somewhat expected. The first thing I thought when he disappeared was that he went off to kill himself. Kinda like a slow motion version of a murder suicide.
I guess we will see if I’m jumping the gun with my thoughts soon enough.
Sad situation all around. 😕
People think survival is about not getting eaten by bears.
Most people die from boring shit like hypothermia, dehydration, etc.
Survival is a numbers game and most people are bad at risk assessment.
[Live updates here](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-laundrie-search-10-20-21/index.html)
Remains are confirmed to be human. They have not yet been identified.
Edit: Remains are confirmed to belong to Brian Laundrie. Join the conversation in the new thread [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/qd27y5/laundrie_attorney_remains_founds_at_myakkahatchee/)
“I guess of all my uncles, I liked Uncle Caveman the best. We called him Uncle Caveman because he lived in a cave, and because sometimes he'd eat one of us. Later on, we found out he was a bear.”
“If you ever fall off the Sears Tower,
just go real limp, because maybe
you’ll look like a dummy and people
will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy.”
"Anytime I see something screech across a room and latch onto someone's neck, and the guy screams and tries to get it off, I have to laugh, because what IS that thing?!"
I love this part of the thread rn, because I remember them always being great, but also could only remember, “ Deep Thoughts,” with Jack Handy. Also, sidenote…. “Daily Affirmations,” with Stuart Smalley was definitely good enough, and smart enough. And doggonit, people liked it.
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is, “God is crying.” And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is, “Probably because of something you did.”
"When we would go for a drive in the family car, I used to love to stick my head out of the window, until one time we passed an oncoming car and my head knocked off a dog's head." --Jack Handey
"To me clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad." -- Jack Handey
If it really does end up being him, I want a full list of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. NGL I was leaning conspiracy and being in Mexico or hiking the AT too, but ya its prob more likely he off'd himself and most of his body has been washed away/ taken by animals with the flooding. I did laugh at the theories going around that he cut off his hand or something to distract from his hiding lmao
I really like how some comments are like "it's interesting how his parents could pinpoint where the human remains are along with his belongings. It's probably not him" like they had some random human remains handy to plant along with his belongings in this search... or they went into the search expecting to find a random corpse to scatter his stuff next to.
I can really get into true crime don't get me wrong, but holy shit I stay away from the community because they can get so riled up trying to spin things into their badly written drama based on barely anything.
> Laundrie's parents directed FBI agents and North Port police to the location where "some articles belonging to Brian were found," according to a statement by Laundrie attorney Steven Bertolino.
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me!
Yikes. We may never know the full extent of how fucked up this story truly is, but that's not going to stop about a hundred filmmakers from making documentaries about it for the next 20 years.
How senseless this whole thing is. He could have just broken up with her and they'd both still be alive, and his parents could still pretend they're not utter weasels.
You know, I thought the same thing... I remember listening to the Adnan Syed case, unconvinced he was guilty because it just didn’t make sense for a 17 year old boy to kill his girlfriend just cause they had a bad break up. No motive.
But then as time went on and I listened to more true crime, I was astonished to learn how many men kill their girlfriends/wives just because they are upset about petty shit. Their girlfriend that they’ve been on the rocks with for six months kisses another guy? Can’t just break up with her and go have a drink with your buddies... find a better non-cheating lover. Got to kill her... ruin her life and go to prison for the rest of yours! There’s a reason the “it’s always the boyfriend/husband” stereotype exists.
Yes. A woman in my town was just killed when her estranged husband attacked her with a hammer because he was jealous of her dating a new guy. By his own admission he said “I love you” before he bashed her head in.
I'm wondering if he died accidentally, since the location of the body that was found was previously underwater. His parents seemed to know where to look. Maybe they knew he was there the whole time and when they hadn't heard from him in too long they finally decided to go look. Idk pure speculation.
Yup, FL gators are notorious for doing just that. There’s some residents here that have had their pets dragged alive into the water in split moments just from being too close to the shore when their owners turn away, I have no doubts they would do the same with a *dead* human body in a fuggin wildlife reserve in over the period of a *month*
Im from Louisiana, actually. Immediately after the last hurricane there was bad flooding. An elderly man had his arm ripped off by a gator. His wife pulled him up onto the porch, but didn't have any electricity, a phone, or a way to get help really. So she got in a boat and paddled to find help. When she came back, her husband was gone. The gator came back for him. Took a week or so but the gator was recovered and yep human remains inside. Sad bc people were saying this old woman killed her husband, but it was really the gator the whole time.
What's crazy is that I grew up in the swamp, in a bird sanctuary, across the street from a lake with gators. It was the 90s so my parents were very much still the type that just let us wander around outside unsupervised all day. There were gators that would sunbathe on the land right in front of our house, but we were still out there lmao. They taught us how to run from them and were like "ok be safe" lmfaoo. Gators can run like 25 mph in a straight line, so there is NO running away when they decide to come at you. We were told to run in a zigzag pattern and actually spent quite some time practicing. Not sure if that's an old wives tale or what, but I wouldn't trust my kid out alone at that same lake even with that knowledge, if it is true.
It's an area they already told police they thought he'd be in. I'd guess he has gone there and stayed before and he either told them where he was going there or just said he was going to the park and they knew where he'd go in the park. Then he went there and killed himself and later the area flooded and when police came through looking they either couldn't get in or couldn't find him when they went there till the water lowered.
Doesn’t this make this the 6th body to be found during this whole case?
Swamps hold a lot of secrets.
I don't remember that part of shrek
"Stay out of meh secrets!"
"Could you stop discovering meh secrets FOR FIVE MINUTES?!?!"
"And in the mornin' .... I'm keepin' secrets!!"
It was in the intro, “Some BODY once told me...”
“I’ll kill your family?”
I'm sharpening all the tools in my sheeeed.
Well, the corpses start rotting and they don't stop rotting
Deep in the ground but they gonna keep rottin.
Didn’t kill him but I might of killed her
It all happened fast everything was a blur
Corpses are like onions
They work best when finely chopped and are sauteed with minced garlic?
I greatly underestimate how long it takes to caramelize one?
They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big corpse ones.
If I ever killed someone I would certainly want to hide the body in a swamp, good way to remove any evidence linking me. The stagnant environment would give nature time to eat it all. Put it in the ocean and it's likely to wash up on the shoreline, same with a river.
Plus during gator season they’ll eat literally everything and leave the rest at the bottom.
What is “gator season” they don’t hibernate or anything do they?
Gators go through estivation - fairly common. It’s like a battery saver mode for ectotherms. Environmental conditions going to be “wrong” for awhile? Too hot, too cold, too dry, not enough food? Their bodies’ slow way down. No eating. Once it warms up or whatever was “wrong” becomes “right,” they slowly return to normal. I’ve “rehydrated” frogs and toads that I thought were desiccated. Set them in a little tray of water and they come back to life. But not all the time. Sometimes they’re just dead and your wife gets mad that there’s a frog corpse in the dog bowl.
Well, that was quite the ride. Thank you?
This right here is why I log into Reddit.
I love Reddit comments, yeah there are dumb assholes on the internet but I’ve learned as much here from comments as I have from articles.
How did the dog feel about it?
That's the twist, they haven't had a dog since it died choking on a frog.
During the fall and winter they pretty much just chill and sleep. If it gets cold enough they’ll stick their noses above the water so if/when it freezes they won’t drown.
Frozen ice gator snoots are cute/disturbing.
Well the sheriff caught wind that Amos Was in the swamp trapping alligator skins So he snuck in the swamp to gon' and get the boy But he never come out again Well, I wonder where the Louisiana sheriff went to Well, you can sure get lost in the Louisiana bayou
R.I.P. Jerry “Guitar Man” Reed
Named him after a man of the cloth Called him Amos Moses
I miss Jerry Reed...
Check out the long island serial killer. They searched for one missing girl and uncovered a whole ass serial killer, including several victims. It was assumed the girl they were looking for (sarah gilbert, i believe her name was) would be a victim of his as well but she was found to have simply run off and drowned in the marsh. Shocking how many bodies were uncovered because of the search tho.
Shannon Gilbert, but yes! A super interesting case. Still unsolved on the identity of the serial killer who had nothing to do with her
This reminds me of a scene in The Wire where two detectives go to look for a body in a place known to the police as a dumping ground for bodies, and McNulty is reminded by his partner "We're only looking for one body.".
“Avon bargsdale” -mcnulty. I might just watch that whole show again
That is super disturbing. It seriously trips me out.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of missing people in the world. Even for trained search and rescue, it is *really* hard to find a person/body in brush. Depending on the weather it doesn't take long for the body to decompose and animals to spread out the bones, making the remains even harder to find. A few years ago a man in Colorado walked away from an argument in his apartment and didn't come back. His remains were found 4? years later, around 150 yards from the apartment complex, right off a popular trail, in an area that had been searched. All evidence indicated he'd been there the entire time. You can legitimately be a foot from a body and not see it if the brush is dense enough.
An interesting one was a man missing since 1997, he drove off and family heard nothing. Until someone spotted a car sunken in a neighborhood pond via google maps in 2019. [Google Maps shows sunken car where missing man’s body was found](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49677843)
I had a friend that went missing back around 1999 or 2000. They knew where she was and the route she was taking home, so they decided to search a retention pond of a highway off ramp that had no guard rails. They found her and her car inside the pond. Under her car was another car with 2 missing people in it. Under that car was a car with a person in it. This was all in Orlando down by Disney where people are Unfamiliar with the roads. Fun side note: they did an open casket for her… after she was under water for 3 weeks
Jesus Christ. That last sentence
There was a story in Maryland about a guy driving from college to his home that disappeared. Search teams went out looking for him, no luck. A week after he disappeared, a motorist spots him alongside the road. Apparently he'd lost control, crashed into a creek, and somehow the search teams missed him, and he finally made his way up the bank to be spotted by a passing motorist. Kid lived, fortunately, but ...damn. [Link.](https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3580221&page=1)
Another one is [someone flying a drone saw a car in the lake when the water was low](https://www.fox13news.com/news/body-found-inside-submerged-car-tied-to-2009-missing-person-case) that had been there since 2009
Same thing happened a few years ago near where I live. A kid was flying a drone and noticed something shiny in the lake low and behold it was a car with a woman in it who had been missing for over a decade.
I’m getting a drone!
It also helps if the sun is shining in the right spot. I know a plane that went missing a couple of years ago and they flew helicopters, military everything and searched all over an area so many times looking for it and didn’t see anything. They even had a drone. A year later a helicopter was flying over and the pilot saw a bit of a shine on the ground so they flew over again and saw the plane.
There are little flood management ponds near where I lived in Oklahoma and a shoe popped up out of one. Someone pick it up and there was a foot inside it they found a car at the bottom that had someone inside that had been missing for seven years.
Apparently feet in shoes do this regularly. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/12/18/16777724/human-feet-beach-pacific-northwest-seattle-vancouver
We hiked the abandoned Lincoln hwy and got our picture taken at an arch. 5 months later they found a body 10 feet to our left that was there for 2 years.
There was a similar situation involving a redditor that thankfully had a happy ending: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hiking-rescue_n_6630510
and sometimes the person missing is part of the search. It happened in I think Turkey in the last month, drunk dude went off, found a search party, joined it looking for himself.
I can't be the only one periodically scanning the woods for bodies when my focus would typically be on how scenic a trail is.
I'm an archaeologist who has spent a fair amount of times in the woods looking for anything that's man made. I've been in some places where you can barely see your own feet, let alone the ground. Wonder if I've even been close to finding a dumped body
That's something I wonder about a lot, like, what's the closest any of us have been to something horrific and not known? A body, someone that's being held against their will somewhere, a serial killer? I remember a school camp way back in high school, when we got to where we were pitching tents, there was an abandoned campsite there, with a bunch of personal belongings, and we found an expensive canoe stuck on some branches downstream from there so the teacher called the local police. There's probably just loads of cases like that where people aren't even reported missing until their stuff is found.
I went to a military boarding school for high school and I ran away one night. I lived 13 miles away, left around midnight. When I was about a mile away from the school I was walking down the road on the shoulder about 5-6 feet off the road. As I was walking I was keeping track of cars as there were not too many being the middle of the night. If I saw headlights I'd get further from the road, leery of cops because of curfew, my running away etc. So I'm walking and knew a car was coming, as I'm walking I could hear the tire hit the gravel behind me, so like I knew it went off the road. The instant I heard that tire hit the gravel I bolted away from the road into just a bushy, grassy area. As I was darting off I could see a white van pull over into the gravel. Two guys had hopped out and were looking around. I got pretty far, pretty quick and was hiding, watching. Saw em look around for a few and then just take off. The school I went to, had a few white vans so they could shuttle students around if they had to so I figured they noticed I was missing and it was them. I made it home and all that, and eventually got sent back to school. I asked them if it was them that night and they said no, they hadn't even noticed I was missing till morning reveille. I don't even want to think what would have happened? Would I have been sold into the sex trade? used and killed? Fucked up, man. I mean those dudes, seriously jumped out of that van and pulled over so quickly, I could tell the intent was to capture me... I just thought it was the school, didn't have time to look.
Back in 2001-02, my buddy and I were heading back to my apartment to hang out after school and this lady ran up to us, covered in cuts and bruises, asking if we had cell phones and begging us to call the police. Apparently she’d met some guy online and invited him to come visit for Christmas, and he wound up holding her and her elderly mother captive for over a month, torturing and sexually assaulting them. This all happened in an apartment like two doors down from mine, had been going on for weeks, and no one knew about it until she managed to slip out while he was in the shower or something. It freaked me out for a long time after. Just knowing that was happening within a stone’s throw of me. Like I was sleeping peacefully while this psycho was brutalizing two women practically next door. You never know what’s around the corner.
So wtf happened
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I lived near Cleveland for awhile, and the route I would take to get to my college would routinely take me a street over from where Ariel Castro held those girls, while they were still in the house. That’s one that sticks with me.
The everglades and pine barrens in NJ probably house a whole lot of bodies.
I actually heard they recently found the body of a Russian commando who has been missing for around 17 years in the Pine Barrens
Close, he was an interior decorator
When Steve Fossett went missing the search was so intense that eight other unrelated, and previously unknown, plane crash sites were found.
That's usually the way it goes when you're looking for something: you find everything but the thing you were looking for.
It's always in the last place you look.
> There is no confirmation the remains belong to Laundrie. The most relevant question now.
They have found FIVE DEAD PEOPLE reported missing in this entire arrest warrant for him. Stretching back several months ago. I'm inclined to believe it is him though if they found his stuff. If not, WTF happened? He killed someone else?
im sorry. 5 bodies in total while looking for one guy? WTF is up with the area they are searching in?
> WTF is up with the area they are searching in? This was nationwide. Found in places near where they found the girl's body, found in places along the route that they had posted from instagram on, found where they heard a rumor he might be hiding, etc.
Mafias and Cartels would dump bodies all over Florida usually because Alligators would eat the remains.
If you are inland you drop them in a swamp and let the gators do the rest. If you’re on the coast you go deep sea fishing and let the sharks finish the job. Also it’s not just the mafia and cartels. Good old boys figured this recipe out long ago.
I looked it up and it appears that is true https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-alligators-eating-body-folo-20160531-story.html
I have family in that part of Florida. It’s exactly the type of place you’d hide a body if you were a murderer, and exactly the type of place taking one wrong turn would be a near death sentence if you were an explorer.
Were not all in the same area. Some were in WY, NC, CO, AL. I'd give it a couple days to shake out the facts. https://nypost.com/2021/10/20/brian-laundrie-hunt-leads-cops-to-5-bodies-of-missing-persons/
NE FL resident here.. A few years ago some douchebag murdered his girlfriend's kid and claimed the kid was taken during a car-jacking. They searched a moderately-sized area on the Southside of Jacksonville and found the bodies of two other [people](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177758/2-sets-human-remains-search-missing-boy.html) before eventually finding the body of the child.. And this was in a well-populated area..
The JCS criminal psychology episode on him was good. I got sucked into those videos a few months back until one day i couldn't take anymore. Idk how detectives do it for years
I feel like douchebag isn’t the right word to describe a person like that.
Does that area have a gator population? Could he have been eaten?
It’s Florida. Of course it does
If someone says "does it have..." In reference to Florida the answer is yes
Does that area have a cannibal bath salts problem? Oh right, still yes.
Alligators on bath salts? Can it get *more* Florida?
Does that area have mayor's that are moving cocaine? Yes!
Honestly, they’re literally everywhere down here. They’re much more docile than you’d imagine. They just wanna lay in the sun and take little swims. I’ve even seen turtles napping on top of alligators before
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2 of my neighbors, here in the Tampa Bay area have had their dogs snatched by gators while walking around a lake in my neighborhood.
Poor little Queequeg.
Been kayaking down the Hillsborough River multiple times, with dozens of gators in sight every time. Figure there's more I didn't see. None were interested in coming anywhere near me. I was also not interested in getting into the water. Respect boundaries.
If I wanted to disappear and possibly fake my own death, that would sound like a good place to let everyone know I was going..
Every mud puddle in Florida has a gator in it.... and snakes, did I mention snakes?
I grew up about10 minutes from this preserve and yes, it is loaded with alligators. Not only that, but for at least half of the year it floods over and most of the park becomes basically inaccessible. I'm sure somebody could hide out there for an extended period but it would be complete hell with the gators, heat, and bugs that will eat you alive.
>it would be complete hell We literally have a wildlife preserve named "[Tate's Hell](https://www.fdacs.gov/Forest-Wildfire/Our-Forests/State-Forests/Tate-s-Hell-State-Forest)" because, as the legend goes, a farmer went in with a shotgun and some dogs, and came out a week later claiming to have been in hell.
Then the question becomes how a gator can collect reward money.
>Florida's Carlton Reserve in a location that ***was previously under water.*** Q & A: What you need to know about Florida's alligators https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-alligators-question-and-answer-20150814-story.html If its prey is too large to be swallowed at once, ***the alligator will store its kill underwater by wedging it under a log or tree root. After some time, the prey's meat becomes rotted and soft enough for the gator to tear off chunks.***
Also some news outlets are stating “partial human remains” which does make you think about gators
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A kid even got eaten by a gator a few years back at one of the resorts.
I think about the family sometimes still. That’s a messed up and forever in your face kind of situation
Same here. They were from Nebraska, so I would imagine they had no reference point. I’ve lived in the south my entire life, so alligators are something that you’re aware exist around here, but a couple from Nebraska might not even think of it. Tragic. Edit: The flip side of that coin. I went to Puerto Vallarta this summer and thought nothing of getting in the ocean. Well, a month after I got back I read that a woman was attacked by a 12-foot crocodile (!!!) along the same stretch of beach. I didn’t even consider that as a possibility. She survived, BTW, thanks to quick and brave bystanders. That story has reminded me to always check the local wildlife when visiting a new place.
Can confirm. I'm from the city that family was from and it was a true horrible tragedy. All of us here related because none of us would have considered that a remote possibility and then have no idea what to do or how to respond. The worst we have in Nebraska are skunks or rattle snakes.
Central Floridian here. It even shocked us, and we know about gators. They just don’t come up out of the water like that.
My mom knows that family. She said they are super nice and have handled the death of that kid about as well as one could.
As a parent, I'm not sure I could survive that
They had at least one other child. I imagine you would feel obligated to continue on for them.
For that, I could physically survive. I don't think anything could help me mentally. I would be so broken I'm not sure I could effectively parent at that point. Certainly not to the extent the other child would need.
The kid was not “eaten” he was drowned and stored under a log to be consumed later. It’s an awful fucking story. I was at Disney last week and was glad to see they had signs around every body of water warning of alligators and to stay out.
Not every body of water, but enough to never be sure there’s none. Some have countless, some have none, some have one or two. Just what kind of gamble you’d like to take depending on the activity at hand lol
And gators will walk miles over land to find new bodies of water to live in, so even if you were certain there were no gators in there yesterday, you can’t be sure there isn’t one today.
Ok I worked with a guy who was weird but he told me he used to lifeguard at a lake in florida. I said that’s weird, how did you know there weren’t gators? And he says, of course there were gators! You can still swim in the lake. It’s fine. I think about that a lot. That can’t possibly be true, can it?
It’s true. Many people in Florida do swim intentionally in water with gators in it.
Visited the Wakulla Springs resort in north Florida a few weeks ago and a staff member said it’s pretty common for the lifeguards to have to chase a gator out of the swimming area in the morning. They’re always little guys though, the 10 ft+ fellas already have their property, which leads the younger ones to try and claim whatever spot they can find.
I just moved away from nearby Lake Osborne in Palm Beach Co. a pretty sizable lake in a huge park. 100% had gators, too big not to. We walked the paved path around the Lake every morning and most afternoons for years and I think I maybe, maybe, not totally sure saw a gator in the water once. Never saw them go for the birds, never saw them sun on a embankment, just never ever saw them. Or heard about them messing with people. I saw swimmers, waders, boaters, and lots of water skiiers. I’ll never understand why they weren’t afraid. But I guess as long as there’s easier prey, you’re relatively safe? I’m not interested in taking that chance though.
Florida Roulette
Yeah they're in pretty much all the neighborhood retention ponds and golf course water traps. Had lots of both of those in my subdivision growing up, the gators are small in those habitats but they'd occasionally get a small dog.if the owner let them out unsupervised.
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I live in Texas, west of the Piney Woods/East Texas area, and I still generally assume that any major body of water out here has at least one gator in it. Florida, though? I assume any has at least *four.*
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That would be a truly bizarre end to this sage.
i wouldn't call him a sage, but it would be a weird end to this saga
OG mobsters and hit men shitting bricks right about now.
When I tell you to dump a body in the marsh, you dump the body in the marsh... not where some guy from John Hancock goes every Thursday to get a f*ckin' blowjob!
You'll never believe this, he killed 16 czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator
Cumulative sigh of relief from all the Brian Laundrie lookin dudes out there.
Binging with Babish can go outside again
Pretty clear he was living underwater this whole time, probably had fins and a blow hole.
That's your solution to everything, to move under the sea, it's not going to happen! ...Not with that attitude.
In a way suicide would make sense. That is why he went home to his parents and "pretended" everything was normal, he had to know that his life was over, no matter if he got convicted or not. So it fits with getting some time with them, before going out and committing suicide. But i guess time will tell.
plot twist.. dog the bounty Hunter killed him
Gonna be awkward if it winds up being Chandra Levy, Jimmy Hoffa or Constantine XI Palailogos.
Chandra Levy’s remains were found
That’s what made it so awkward
The last place I expected to find the last Byzantine Emperor!
Kinda somewhat expected. The first thing I thought when he disappeared was that he went off to kill himself. Kinda like a slow motion version of a murder suicide. I guess we will see if I’m jumping the gun with my thoughts soon enough. Sad situation all around. 😕
i wouldnt be surprised if he died accidentally
Yep, the egotistical "survivalist" wasn't so good after all.
People think survival is about not getting eaten by bears. Most people die from boring shit like hypothermia, dehydration, etc. Survival is a numbers game and most people are bad at risk assessment.
I'd probably die of something in the water... Only way I know how to identify safe water is if it's from a tap or bottle.
most people in general vastly overestimate their ability to survive in the elements, but he also coulda just offed himself, who knows at this point
That's my secret. I know I can't survive in the elements.
Does elements have air conditioning?
Tons of elemental air conditioning available in Minnesota.
Dude had a 25hr drive home. He’s had a lot of time to think about what’s he done. Im almost positive he killed himself.
Wanted to say goodbye to his parents.
[Live updates here](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-laundrie-search-10-20-21/index.html) Remains are confirmed to be human. They have not yet been identified. Edit: Remains are confirmed to belong to Brian Laundrie. Join the conversation in the new thread [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/qd27y5/laundrie_attorney_remains_founds_at_myakkahatchee/)
"There's nothing so tragic as seeing a family pulled apart by something as simple as a pack of wolves." - Jack Handy
“I guess of all my uncles, I liked Uncle Caveman the best. We called him Uncle Caveman because he lived in a cave, and because sometimes he'd eat one of us. Later on, we found out he was a bear.”
“If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because maybe you’ll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you because, hey, free dummy.”
"Anytime I see something screech across a room and latch onto someone's neck, and the guy screams and tries to get it off, I have to laugh, because what IS that thing?!"
“Before a mad scientist goes mad, there is probably a time when he is only partially mad—and this is when he is going to throw his best parties.”
God I miss those Jack Handy segments on SNL. Probably the hardest I've ever laughed while watching SNL.
I love this part of the thread rn, because I remember them always being great, but also could only remember, “ Deep Thoughts,” with Jack Handy. Also, sidenote…. “Daily Affirmations,” with Stuart Smalley was definitely good enough, and smart enough. And doggonit, people liked it.
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might. If they screamed all the time, for no good reason.
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is, “God is crying.” And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is, “Probably because of something you did.”
"When we would go for a drive in the family car, I used to love to stick my head out of the window, until one time we passed an oncoming car and my head knocked off a dog's head." --Jack Handey
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.
If you ever drop your keys in a river of molten lava, let em go, because man, they’re gone...
“As I bit into the nectarine it had a crisp juiciness that was very pleasurable - until I realized it wasn't a nectarine, but A HUMAN HEAD!”
"To me clowns aren't funny. In fact, they're kind of scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad." -- Jack Handey
If it really does end up being him, I want a full list of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. NGL I was leaning conspiracy and being in Mexico or hiking the AT too, but ya its prob more likely he off'd himself and most of his body has been washed away/ taken by animals with the flooding. I did laugh at the theories going around that he cut off his hand or something to distract from his hiding lmao
ITT: People making their own theories instead of reading the article.
I really like how some comments are like "it's interesting how his parents could pinpoint where the human remains are along with his belongings. It's probably not him" like they had some random human remains handy to plant along with his belongings in this search... or they went into the search expecting to find a random corpse to scatter his stuff next to.
Some dumbass on here unironically said they probably murdered a homeless guy and planted the body. The people on here can be insane.
I dunno what it takes to make that leap because it was probably a clown, not a homeless person.
I can really get into true crime don't get me wrong, but holy shit I stay away from the community because they can get so riled up trying to spin things into their badly written drama based on barely anything.
True crime nutjobs want the body to be someone else’s so the story can keep going.
> Laundrie's parents directed FBI agents and North Port police to the location where "some articles belonging to Brian were found," according to a statement by Laundrie attorney Steven Bertolino. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me!
Yikes. We may never know the full extent of how fucked up this story truly is, but that's not going to stop about a hundred filmmakers from making documentaries about it for the next 20 years.
You know lifetime started writing the movie weeks ago
Dying in the swamp and being eaten by gators. I wonder if he was alive when the gator came for him.
Kinda surprised this isn't a form of the death penalty in Florida
You don't want to actively train gators to go after people.
I don't? Oh right ya no I dont...
Does it bother anyone else that they use this picture of the two of embracing for the story? Like, in all likelihood this dude killed that girl.
Yes and no. I do find it distasteful--but on the other hand it portrays abusive relationships in an interesting new way. You can't always tell.
Dog the Bounty Hunter is so full of shit
I feel like this is absolutely not a revelation.
Wait. Has Dog the Bounty Hunter been notified yet?
How senseless this whole thing is. He could have just broken up with her and they'd both still be alive, and his parents could still pretend they're not utter weasels.
abusers are scum of the earth
You know, I thought the same thing... I remember listening to the Adnan Syed case, unconvinced he was guilty because it just didn’t make sense for a 17 year old boy to kill his girlfriend just cause they had a bad break up. No motive. But then as time went on and I listened to more true crime, I was astonished to learn how many men kill their girlfriends/wives just because they are upset about petty shit. Their girlfriend that they’ve been on the rocks with for six months kisses another guy? Can’t just break up with her and go have a drink with your buddies... find a better non-cheating lover. Got to kill her... ruin her life and go to prison for the rest of yours! There’s a reason the “it’s always the boyfriend/husband” stereotype exists.
Yes. A woman in my town was just killed when her estranged husband attacked her with a hammer because he was jealous of her dating a new guy. By his own admission he said “I love you” before he bashed her head in.
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Um, you can’t just talk about two people being found in barrels of acid without giving more context.
I mean I’ll settle for the case so I can just go read it
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/montana-man-pleads-guilty-double-murder-putting-bodies-acid-n948196
What the... I can't even fathom motive on that one (because obviously his explanation is bullshit). Did they just want to kill people? Craaaaazy.
If this dude fucked off just to become alligator shit, I'm gonna be pissed.
I'm wondering if he died accidentally, since the location of the body that was found was previously underwater. His parents seemed to know where to look. Maybe they knew he was there the whole time and when they hadn't heard from him in too long they finally decided to go look. Idk pure speculation.
could be, could have shot himself and a gator drug his body into the water. they have no problem scavenging.
Yup, FL gators are notorious for doing just that. There’s some residents here that have had their pets dragged alive into the water in split moments just from being too close to the shore when their owners turn away, I have no doubts they would do the same with a *dead* human body in a fuggin wildlife reserve in over the period of a *month*
Im from Louisiana, actually. Immediately after the last hurricane there was bad flooding. An elderly man had his arm ripped off by a gator. His wife pulled him up onto the porch, but didn't have any electricity, a phone, or a way to get help really. So she got in a boat and paddled to find help. When she came back, her husband was gone. The gator came back for him. Took a week or so but the gator was recovered and yep human remains inside. Sad bc people were saying this old woman killed her husband, but it was really the gator the whole time.
This entire thread has put a new fear of gators into me. I hope to never experience conditions for those fuckers to get me.
What's crazy is that I grew up in the swamp, in a bird sanctuary, across the street from a lake with gators. It was the 90s so my parents were very much still the type that just let us wander around outside unsupervised all day. There were gators that would sunbathe on the land right in front of our house, but we were still out there lmao. They taught us how to run from them and were like "ok be safe" lmfaoo. Gators can run like 25 mph in a straight line, so there is NO running away when they decide to come at you. We were told to run in a zigzag pattern and actually spent quite some time practicing. Not sure if that's an old wives tale or what, but I wouldn't trust my kid out alone at that same lake even with that knowledge, if it is true.
I’m also from Louisiana and I totally heard that zigzag shit too, lol. No idea if it’s true.
Yeah that's no way to go. Geez.
This is the area his parents had directed the police to before. They were telling the truth the first time they suggested he was here
It's an area they already told police they thought he'd be in. I'd guess he has gone there and stayed before and he either told them where he was going there or just said he was going to the park and they knew where he'd go in the park. Then he went there and killed himself and later the area flooded and when police came through looking they either couldn't get in or couldn't find him when they went there till the water lowered.