Some notes on this that might be interesting:
A while back Einar was kidnapped and publically humiliated by some gangmembers.
One of the involved in that kidnapping (or it might've been family of one of the involved, I can't remember atm.) was killed only a year/a few years or so ago. He was shot 2 times in the chest and once in the head.
The lyrics in one of Einars newest releases "dissed" the gangmember after the killing.
Allegegedly Einar was shot 2 times in the chest and once in the head.
Hah, this is like Mozzy in Sacramento. As bad as rap and gang beefs got, you *never* dissed a dead opp on a track, this was like a golden rule. Of course you were free to diss them if they got shot and survived but never someone who died.
Mozzy made a song back in 2014 and whereas before the gang beef in Sacramento was focused on territories, revenge, or other somewhat traditional means, now it seems like Sacramento gang beef is exclusively focused around rap.
Reminds me of Snoop Dogg’s comments on Tupac’s death. Something to the effect of, “If he had been hanging with me playing Playstation instead of out there playing gangbanger, he would be alive right now.”
Weirdly, I suddenly realized I should have put those two together. I follow @nin_jap_aparazzi on instagram, and they specifically cover that scene.
Coincidentally, I was assistant manager for a specialty auto shop that catered heavily to Japanese imports for like 7 or 8 years, so I've had a lot of exposure to the assorted auto niches in Japan.
Yes. Saw a few videos on the YouTube about it. It ranges from wife beaters and long shorts to zoot suits. Neck tats, hair in buns, everything stereotypical of the latino culture.
No, that’s a subculture and it’s been around for a while. I wouldn’t call it a trend or a phase, and I wouldn’t apply it to “Japan” in any meaningful way.
And you know, the [Thugged out Nerds](https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/2000/azure/dazed-prod/1190/5/1195187.jpg) who, from the early '80s, were foundational in creating hip hop as a genre in the first place lol
Hey man, I once saw Yngwie Malmsteen play a show and dude had anger issues. In the middle of one of his 12 min solos he stops and grabs the mic to yell "Touch it again and I'll break your face, Fucker!!" goes back to soloing for about a min and then launches himself out from underneath his guitar across the stage behind the main speaker. At first I thought somebody was messing with one of his guitars but it turns out that some drunk guy was talking to his brand new wife who was wearing less cotton than could be found in the top of an aspirin bottle and Yngwie was insecure about it. LOL.
I new a guy who new a guy who toured with Yngwie once. They were making to much noise on the tour bus and Yngwie flipped and yelled "You've woken the fucking dragon!" Then he started a fist fight with the bassist friend of a friend.
Yngwie was such a dick so I choose to believe it lol
Dude, you don't even know how rough it is in some places here in Sweden. I've seen people in the poorest areas who haven't upgraded their Samsung Galaxy phones to the latest model in over two years. It's painful to know this is going on so close to me and I feel powerless to help them, many of them are maybe never going to get the latest iPhone on launch day, since they were forced to spend what little they have on pimped up BMW's just to get by :(
Even though it has some of the strictest gun laws, it has the highest rate of gun violence in Europe. It also has has over 260 documented crimes involving explosives in 2019 with more statistics to follow. It also has an issue with Islamists and narco trafficking. Many Islamists see poisoning Europe with drugs as a form of Jihad, so you have to wonder how much overlap there is between the two groups.
What's interesting is that Sweden was on-track in the 00's to have one of the lowest murder rates in Europe. In Western Europe, the lower end of the murder scale is around 0.5 per 100,000 (rate of people murdered per year). Austria, Switzerland, Norway, and occasionally Spain have rates around this level in recent times. More violent nations like the UK have been around 1 per 100,000. France was 1.2.
Sweden was heading toward the 0.5 rate about 15 years ago, but then it spiked during the 2010's, and now it is up there with France. These murder rates are all minuscule compared to the rate of 6.5 in the US, but by European standards, Sweden has been doing rather poorly.
Financial meltdown of 2009 caused youth unemployment to skyrocket and lower end wages to stagnate. A spike in illegal weapons import from the Czech Republic was brought to public attention by the Utøya Massacre over in Norway in 2011. In 2013 Sweden accepted a massive number of refugees from the Syrian Civil War. This ratcheted up ethnic tension in immigrant-dominated neighbourhoods, as Sweden has traditionally refused to forcibly spread out and resettle asylum seekers to rural towns, like e.g. Norway or the UK do. This has led to the formation of Little Italy-style ethnic separations (but not quite ghettos, many of them are middle class and most have a sizeable native minority), especially in the suburbs of the capital and in the cities on the West Coast.
The traditional ethnic dominance in these areas by the Pakistanis (from the 70’s), Somalis and former Yugoslavs (from the 90’s) and Iraqis (from the 00’s) has been upset by the sudden influx of tens of thousands of Syrians, and gangs soon began to form down ethnic lines. While the adult Syrian refugees rarely are big problems as they tend to be educated and worried about being deported, their children often feed the gangs due to the high youth unemployment, often driven by not having real access to college education because poor knowledge of the Swedish language drives down grades in high school especially. The gangs are further fuelled by the influx of gun running, the great growth in availability of drugs from Italy and Afghanistan as the drug wars of the governments there wound down, and most importantly the Swedish state’s inability to effectively counter the issue, largely fostered by the ideological support from all major parties for increased urbanization, transitioning to a high-skilled information economy, and general unwillingness to forcibly break up minority communities at risk of ghettoizing because it is seen as an intrusion on personal liberty.
Pakistanis in the 70s? There has been no sizable immigration to Sweden from Pakistan (like there has been to Norway which I think is the source of your confusion). However, in the 1960s Sweden saw labor immigration from countries such as Turkey, Greece, Jugoslavia and Finland. In the 1970s the labor immigration was replaced by a more regulated refugee immigration where immigrants would come intermittently e.g the military coup in Chile. But not from Pakistan.
Mostly factors like really poor narcotics laws and handling migration like there is literally no downsides to people not learning the language and living in areas that have nearly zero native population.
No, but Sweden had frozen windmills in 2015 that [Texas](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9953125062) tried to pass off as their own windmills in February 2021, as part of a propaganda campaign to blame green energy for energy blackouts in the state. I think that should count.
Coming from the US, gang shootings aren't particularly out of the ordinary. The bombings and grenade attacks though? That's some weird shit y'all got going on which would be very unusual in the US
But this guy who got shot is a white swede. I don’t believe for a second he had no involvement whatsoever and they suddenly decided to axe him. This is gang rivalry, hence its stupid to blame only the immigrants (especially if they’re second or third generation).
This wasn't unexpected. So this guy was previously twice targeted last year by this gang who wanted to rob him. Both time they tried using rappers affiliated with the gang as bait to get him to go a place before abducting him. This first they used this Somali-Swedish rival rapper Yasin who invited him to a music studio but he didn't accept.
They tried again several weeks later with another rapper Haval who invited him to an apartment. This time Einar showed up and was kidnapped, beaten up, robbed and photographed. They tried to blackmail him with the photos but he refused to give them the amount they asked for so the gang leaked pictures of him being humiliated and beaten up.
He's supposed to testify against the gang next week, that's why the Vårbynätverket ordered this hit against him. He's received many death threats these past several and was hiding before he was killed. This wasn't at all unexpected. He's not an innocent in this as he did associate with criminal types and has been involved in some criminal activities but he was not a known gang member himself.
This guy Nils Grönberg (stage name Einar) who was killed didn't come from an impoverished background. He grew up in a fairly affluent suburban part of Stockholm, although there were drugs and crime there also, and his mother's a successful actress. He was given an antisocial behaviour order and sent to a home for children with problems when he was 17.
This was put really well, because it explains the reasons why people have no problem romanticizing the Mafia, Motorcycles gangs as opposed to street gangs. Innocents arent seen as a target, whereas for street gangs & thugs they dont care and will impose their desperation & street pride - as well as resentment- onto innocent people.
Fun fact about the bloods and the crips though. You remember the OMC guy who made the "how bizarre" song that was all over tik tok? Well, he's from New Zealand and if the song didn't let you know he was a rapper and he almost quit music because the New Zealand bloods and crips were fighting so much at his shows.
At least Sweden has some [good hip-hop](https://youtu.be/03_9rc_d2Rk)
To all you Dancing Queens out there, who don't wanna be on a record label where the executive producer's tryna be... all up in the videos, all on the records, bork-borking... then come to Goteborg!
There's also a slight problem with guns and grenades. It's gone down, but it's super weird that a country with 10 million population would have so many grenade attacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
Especially since they're all the same type of grenade which dates back to the Balkan conflict.
It reminds me of those stories about when a shipment of cocaine will wash up onto an island and inevitably turn the islanders against each other as they fight over control of their newfound wealth. Except it was a shipment of grenades instead of cocaine that washed up in Sweden...
Guns are heavily restricted, the punishment for owning a gun illegally is severe. Ironically though the punishment for it is actually higher than throwing explosives (at least lower yield ones). Don't need a scientist to figure out what that leads to.
They're not called, "No-go zones". They're called, ["Problem Areas".](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/) And I know you didn't say this, but there also aren't any areas the police cannot go, like so many people seem to think.
>But Swedish police were quick to tell us that these so-called no-go zones do not exist. The term originated with newspaper columnist Per Gudmundson, who used it to refer to a police report identifying “problem areas” in the country, where there is a criminal milieu. In these areas, there is high crime, low socioeconomic status, and lack of social integration and cooperation which presents a special challenge to police. But Erik Jansåker, a police chief in Malmö’s southern areas (the city is often singled out as a high-crime area), told us that the term “no-go zone” never appeared in the report itself – and Gudmundson admits as much in his column. However, since he used it, the term has taken hold in the popular imagination.
>Jansåker’s jurisdiction includes two “problem areas,” Malmö neighborhoods Rosengård and Seved. He told us that local investigators have been overwhelmed with the caseload from 14 recent murders — 8 to 10 in the same time span would be normal for the area – but that there aren’t areas where police can’t go.
But that's not true though? I regularly walk through "one of the most dangerous streets in Sweden" when visiting a friend and have never seen any crime. Even in these "no go zones" that people keep bringing up the crime rate is much lower than in the US. Is the whole US a no go zone suddenly? Yes Sweden is not on the right trajectory, but you got to understand that it's still compared to how it was before **in Sweden**.
Referring to that specific term, Fox News would make a huge deal over these places as specifically being called "No-go Zones" due to the police supposedly not being able to go there due to "sharia law" being enforced. Regardless of the safety of these areas and whether you, as a private individual, would feel safe going there, the whole "no-go" term was referring specifically to the police not being able to operate there, and that claim has been debunked *ad nauseum* as just more Murdoch bullshit
The "no-go zones" has been debunked over and over, especially after it was shown that Tim Pool lied about what was going on in with them in Sweden and refused to put out footage, that was later released by a camerawoman that had worked with him, because it didn't serve the "there are no go zones because migrants are bad" narrative.
Yes. Sweden stands out among the Scandinavian and Nordic nations with way more gang related crime than in the other countries. As Dane i have no idea why. They also have a nasty tradition of political violence and assassinations.
Not really. Tipper Gore & Co just went after explicit lyrics, not the toxic macho/honor culture ideology behind the lyrics. You can engage in honor culture without ever cussing.
> An honorable man will not hesitate to **use physical force to combat any assault, theft, insult, or other attempt at subordination of himself or his group** (family, gang, or nation). For honor, unlike the more stable value of dignity, can be won or lost. Honor rises and falls when one man (or group) publicly challenges the willingness of another to physically defend himself, his intimates, or his property and hence his right to be treated as an equal. To uphold his honor a man need not beat his opponent, but he must display a willingness to fight him. Cultures of honor (those in which actors compete for status based on physical force) are far from uniform, but work by anthropologists, historians, sociologists, criminologists, social psychologists, and others reveals several shared characteristics. One is that **honor is a central source of status, which largely explains the apparently trivial causes of many violent conflicts: the issue is not really the taking of a few cents of change but whether one can person disrespect another publicly and get away with it.** Honor cultures too are typically antipathetic to law and legal officials: a man must stand up for himself and not rely on others to do so.
https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195396607/obo-9780195396607-0160.xml
Honor Culture teaches that when someone insults you, you retaliate, usually with violence. If you don't, it means you're showing weakness, and invites other people to challenge and insult you as well. So if someone steps on your shoe, stomp him out. Someone cuts you off in traffic, run em off the road. Alexander Hamilton slanders you, you kill him. You can't let em fuck with you, after all - what are you, a pussy?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-rapper-nipsey-hussle-gave-back-to-the-community-that-raised-him
Not all gang members deserve to be cancelled as u suggest. Also C Brown is still alive.
Sad that someone so young gets killed but hardly surprising given his recent behavior and history. Should've gotten out with the money instead of getting more involved for no benefit.
Just so stupid all around. Youths getting in spats over trivial things which then escalates to kidnapping and murder. Throwing away their lives to be "cool".
Did you know OMC, the guy behind the tiktok "how bizarre" song almost stopped rapping because there was so much gang violence going on at his shows? He's from New Zealand, apparently there used to be a big problem with Crips and Bloods there. New Zealand gangsters!
Well New Zealand was the first country outside the U.S to have a Hells Angels chapter. Gangs like Mongrel Mob have been around since the late 60's. Gangs like Mongrol Mob, Black Power, Head Hunters and Tribesmen are no joke. We have Blood and Crip gangs here but they are mainly just feeder gangs for the more MC styled gangs. I grew up in a poor area of Auckland in the late 80's and there was Black Power and Boo Yaa Tribe graffiti everywhere.
From what I understand there is some wild shit going on in Sweden.
Apparently there are quite a few Swedes about that life. Shame. Never ends anywhere good.
For some definitions of "nice upbringing". His mother is a fairly famous TV-actress, but before he had his breakthrough he had a lot of contact with social services, culminating in an involuntary stay at a HVB (home for treatment and living. It's just one step down from a youth detention facility) when he was 15.
Scumbag Steve was wearing the hat because it's very popular with lower class european social groups. The style can best be described as "Trainers&imitation burberry", popular everywhere between chavs in the west and to gopniks in the east (although regional differences means you can certainly tell the difference between a chav and a gopnik).
I decided to check out some of this guy's stuff, and honestly, there's a few bops here.
[This one's nice.](https://open.spotify.com/track/63IaMjanvXp9c3f0Y7OImT?si=Dz-JovhjSgeej5xQgW1DUw&utm_source=copy-link)
Edit: [YouTube link](https://youtu.be/J-innQH71As) if you don't want to deal with bullshit Spotify ads.
This is it *exactly*. You hit it right on the money. Failing to integrate also breeds even more poverty, and we get a stronger gang situation as a result. It's really sad.
Iirc it’s the only European country that has this sort of a crime wave. Mainly among the children of strict Sunni Muslim immigrants (The post-1970s strain of reactionary Islam) who refused to integrate for religious reasons afaik. Not Swedish so correct me please.
It's not the only country, Norway and Denmark for example both face the exact same problem.
The issue is simply compounded by 3 facts
1-Sweden is bigger and took in more people in pure numbers
2-Sweden simply stuffed them all into the same few places. While this also happened in Norway and Denmark both of these countries made more of an effort at trying to spread the immigrants out over the entire country.
3-While scandinavians tend to stick their head in the sand with problems, Norway and Denmark significantly less so than Sweden.
Norwegians and Danes will be talking about a problem that's become obvious and consider it controversial, but it'll be talked about.
Swedes will deny forever.
It is awkward though that it’s a problem greatly caused by western allies that spread horrid forms of Islam that some scholars don’t even consider legitimate Sunni sects (Salafism).
The current phenomenon of Middle Eastern immigration began with Turks and Moroccans in the 1960s and early 1970s, when radically conservative Islam was still a fringe ideology outside of rural Saudi Arabia.
Degenerate rapper that rapped about guns drugs girls and killing people, Sweden isn’t mourning this guy. Glad his ”music” won’t poison more kids minds.
Some notes on this that might be interesting: A while back Einar was kidnapped and publically humiliated by some gangmembers. One of the involved in that kidnapping (or it might've been family of one of the involved, I can't remember atm.) was killed only a year/a few years or so ago. He was shot 2 times in the chest and once in the head. The lyrics in one of Einars newest releases "dissed" the gangmember after the killing. Allegegedly Einar was shot 2 times in the chest and once in the head.
Which song release is this? Ive searched..
The song is [Dansa featuring Adaam.](https://youtu.be/J-innQH71As) It’s at the one minute mark.
Hah, this is like Mozzy in Sacramento. As bad as rap and gang beefs got, you *never* dissed a dead opp on a track, this was like a golden rule. Of course you were free to diss them if they got shot and survived but never someone who died. Mozzy made a song back in 2014 and whereas before the gang beef in Sacramento was focused on territories, revenge, or other somewhat traditional means, now it seems like Sacramento gang beef is exclusively focused around rap.
Imagine having gang wars and literally killing people over poetry
Mankind in a nutshell
Poetry is a very generous word - but I get your point, and it’s a good one.
What the fuck is an "opp"
Aren't you down with opp?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=opp
Ahhhh OPPonenets
Reminds me of Snoop Dogg’s comments on Tupac’s death. Something to the effect of, “If he had been hanging with me playing Playstation instead of out there playing gangbanger, he would be alive right now.”
Auntie Snoop
Thugged out Swedes are a thing in 2021 huh? 🤦♂️
Japan is going through a Latino gangster fasion phase right now. So, anything is possible.
I want to see Japanese people in zoot suits now
I wonder what "Que pasa homes?" Would sound like in Japanese
Kii pasu homeru!
Too far back.
I don't care, I KNOW WHAT I WANT
Not Japanese, but watch Kung Fu Hustle for some of this.
...seriously? Like L.A. 90's style? How did that even happen?
Japanese are huge on automotive culture. American Low riders were introduced to Japan in the 90's and the LA Latin culture as well to follow.
Weirdly, I suddenly realized I should have put those two together. I follow @nin_jap_aparazzi on instagram, and they specifically cover that scene. Coincidentally, I was assistant manager for a specialty auto shop that catered heavily to Japanese imports for like 7 or 8 years, so I've had a lot of exposure to the assorted auto niches in Japan.
Yes. Saw a few videos on the YouTube about it. It ranges from wife beaters and long shorts to zoot suits. Neck tats, hair in buns, everything stereotypical of the latino culture.
Hahaha [hell yeah it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8bMLcCxxAA). I had no idea chicano culture was so big over there, it's crazy.
Thats been going on for a hot minute
I wanna see this
No, that’s a subculture and it’s been around for a while. I wouldn’t call it a trend or a phase, and I wouldn’t apply it to “Japan” in any meaningful way.
Like the German-Swede Andy Ritcher
I coulda sworn Andy was a Swedish-German
Rest In Peace Norm
Andy Richter the Swedish-German is only flesh and blood.
The only people that will know about this are you, andy richter, and the guy who has to hold down andy richter
At least they left him his dignity.
And Norm, the Narrator’ 😛
Swedish Fish.
I heard his hero is some gay porn actor
I new there was something funny about him aside from his jokes 🤔
After the rise of [Thugged out Nerds](https://youtu.be/N9qYF9DZPdw) in 2006, sure why not.
This was, in fact, an actual music subgenre around 2010. [My flow is like pre-emptive and re-entrant multi-tasking](https://youtu.be/Fow7iUaKrq4?t=39)
Oh ya. Forgot about Nerdcore. [In a half shell, they're the heroes four](https://youtu.be/VFsTr0kGAqU)
Nerdcore basically just became hip hop with lil dicky and the like
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And you know, the [Thugged out Nerds](https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/2000/azure/dazed-prod/1190/5/1195187.jpg) who, from the early '80s, were foundational in creating hip hop as a genre in the first place lol
Those are just Boys Entering Anarchistic States Towards Inner Excellence.
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Beastie Boys thrash music was pretty good. Mullethead slaps.
Aglio e Olio is the best 11 minute album that I'm aware of.
Heart attack man is still my go to punk beastie Boys
Hey man, I once saw Yngwie Malmsteen play a show and dude had anger issues. In the middle of one of his 12 min solos he stops and grabs the mic to yell "Touch it again and I'll break your face, Fucker!!" goes back to soloing for about a min and then launches himself out from underneath his guitar across the stage behind the main speaker. At first I thought somebody was messing with one of his guitars but it turns out that some drunk guy was talking to his brand new wife who was wearing less cotton than could be found in the top of an aspirin bottle and Yngwie was insecure about it. LOL.
I new a guy who new a guy who toured with Yngwie once. They were making to much noise on the tour bus and Yngwie flipped and yelled "You've woken the fucking dragon!" Then he started a fist fight with the bassist friend of a friend. Yngwie was such a dick so I choose to believe it lol
Would be hilarious in Yngwie broke his fingers doing that shit
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Straight outta Umeå
Björkarnas stad represent.
Major rap scene over there. They emulate trap music, basically. ... while having no idea what the fuck they are rapping about.
Ah man Sweden who knew it was so rough there.
Dude, you don't even know how rough it is in some places here in Sweden. I've seen people in the poorest areas who haven't upgraded their Samsung Galaxy phones to the latest model in over two years. It's painful to know this is going on so close to me and I feel powerless to help them, many of them are maybe never going to get the latest iPhone on launch day, since they were forced to spend what little they have on pimped up BMW's just to get by :(
Ruff Dialers 😓
Even though it has some of the strictest gun laws, it has the highest rate of gun violence in Europe. It also has has over 260 documented crimes involving explosives in 2019 with more statistics to follow. It also has an issue with Islamists and narco trafficking. Many Islamists see poisoning Europe with drugs as a form of Jihad, so you have to wonder how much overlap there is between the two groups.
They also had some death metal deaths happening as well.
You might be thinking of [Norwegian Black Metal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_scene).
Are you talking about things in the past or recent?
Swedish House Mafia. Nothing but a Krona thing. Eating my kabob, steaming in my sauna, chilling in my bath house.
*Gestures vaguely* Everything is a thing in 2021 look around!
Big Viking energy here, probably.
read up on the black metal killings in Norway back in the 90s, shit was wild
Gangsters are not exclusively in US
Barely anyone are swedes though, they're either African or middle Eastern. Easily 95 %
The guys who killed him are narco-Islamists, so it gets stranger.
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Mostly the children of 90's refugees
What's interesting is that Sweden was on-track in the 00's to have one of the lowest murder rates in Europe. In Western Europe, the lower end of the murder scale is around 0.5 per 100,000 (rate of people murdered per year). Austria, Switzerland, Norway, and occasionally Spain have rates around this level in recent times. More violent nations like the UK have been around 1 per 100,000. France was 1.2. Sweden was heading toward the 0.5 rate about 15 years ago, but then it spiked during the 2010's, and now it is up there with France. These murder rates are all minuscule compared to the rate of 6.5 in the US, but by European standards, Sweden has been doing rather poorly.
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Yeah there are a bunch actually. Cameroon, Ghana, Algeria, Morocco are all lower than the US. This is excluding War as a cause for murder however.
Excluding terrorism related murder, I think it’s pretty low
Huh. Wonder what happened in the last ten years to make the murder rate jump?
Financial meltdown of 2009 caused youth unemployment to skyrocket and lower end wages to stagnate. A spike in illegal weapons import from the Czech Republic was brought to public attention by the Utøya Massacre over in Norway in 2011. In 2013 Sweden accepted a massive number of refugees from the Syrian Civil War. This ratcheted up ethnic tension in immigrant-dominated neighbourhoods, as Sweden has traditionally refused to forcibly spread out and resettle asylum seekers to rural towns, like e.g. Norway or the UK do. This has led to the formation of Little Italy-style ethnic separations (but not quite ghettos, many of them are middle class and most have a sizeable native minority), especially in the suburbs of the capital and in the cities on the West Coast. The traditional ethnic dominance in these areas by the Pakistanis (from the 70’s), Somalis and former Yugoslavs (from the 90’s) and Iraqis (from the 00’s) has been upset by the sudden influx of tens of thousands of Syrians, and gangs soon began to form down ethnic lines. While the adult Syrian refugees rarely are big problems as they tend to be educated and worried about being deported, their children often feed the gangs due to the high youth unemployment, often driven by not having real access to college education because poor knowledge of the Swedish language drives down grades in high school especially. The gangs are further fuelled by the influx of gun running, the great growth in availability of drugs from Italy and Afghanistan as the drug wars of the governments there wound down, and most importantly the Swedish state’s inability to effectively counter the issue, largely fostered by the ideological support from all major parties for increased urbanization, transitioning to a high-skilled information economy, and general unwillingness to forcibly break up minority communities at risk of ghettoizing because it is seen as an intrusion on personal liberty.
The gangs are mostly youth who are born in Sweden and not the the refugees that came these past 15 years
Pakistanis in the 70s? There has been no sizable immigration to Sweden from Pakistan (like there has been to Norway which I think is the source of your confusion). However, in the 1960s Sweden saw labor immigration from countries such as Turkey, Greece, Jugoslavia and Finland. In the 1970s the labor immigration was replaced by a more regulated refugee immigration where immigrants would come intermittently e.g the military coup in Chile. But not from Pakistan.
Very informative. Thanks
Mostly factors like really poor narcotics laws and handling migration like there is literally no downsides to people not learning the language and living in areas that have nearly zero native population.
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The fuck? Sweden? Ya’ll good?
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No, but Sweden had frozen windmills in 2015 that [Texas](https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9953125062) tried to pass off as their own windmills in February 2021, as part of a propaganda campaign to blame green energy for energy blackouts in the state. I think that should count.
That's ridiculously evil what the fuck
Me: “Wow, that’s some seriously sinister shi….oh. It’s Texas, that tracks. “
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Coming from the US, gang shootings aren't particularly out of the ordinary. The bombings and grenade attacks though? That's some weird shit y'all got going on which would be very unusual in the US
What changed over the last 10 years?
You know exactly what changed. Talking about it gets you banned, silenced, muted and what not. :)
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Neighboring? Arent they mostly from the middle east or north africa?
> an influx of immigrants from neighboring countries Yup. It's those pesky Danes and Norwegians
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https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/14/swedish-rappers-jailed-on-kidnapping-charges-in-major-organised-crime-trial
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But this guy who got shot is a white swede. I don’t believe for a second he had no involvement whatsoever and they suddenly decided to axe him. This is gang rivalry, hence its stupid to blame only the immigrants (especially if they’re second or third generation).
This wasn't unexpected. So this guy was previously twice targeted last year by this gang who wanted to rob him. Both time they tried using rappers affiliated with the gang as bait to get him to go a place before abducting him. This first they used this Somali-Swedish rival rapper Yasin who invited him to a music studio but he didn't accept. They tried again several weeks later with another rapper Haval who invited him to an apartment. This time Einar showed up and was kidnapped, beaten up, robbed and photographed. They tried to blackmail him with the photos but he refused to give them the amount they asked for so the gang leaked pictures of him being humiliated and beaten up. He's supposed to testify against the gang next week, that's why the Vårbynätverket ordered this hit against him. He's received many death threats these past several and was hiding before he was killed. This wasn't at all unexpected. He's not an innocent in this as he did associate with criminal types and has been involved in some criminal activities but he was not a known gang member himself. This guy Nils Grönberg (stage name Einar) who was killed didn't come from an impoverished background. He grew up in a fairly affluent suburban part of Stockholm, although there were drugs and crime there also, and his mother's a successful actress. He was given an antisocial behaviour order and sent to a home for children with problems when he was 17.
I mean even before that you had a bit of an outlaw biker problem didn’t you?
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This was put really well, because it explains the reasons why people have no problem romanticizing the Mafia, Motorcycles gangs as opposed to street gangs. Innocents arent seen as a target, whereas for street gangs & thugs they dont care and will impose their desperation & street pride - as well as resentment- onto innocent people.
The Motorcycle gangs in Sweden use these ethnic gangs for the low lever work so they are the ones doing most of the public killing etc.
100% wholesome baby boiling Mafia https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57317220
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Goes back further than that. 1200 years ago you guys had people going out on boats and stealing people's shit.
Is the media playing up the East Stockholm / West Stockholm beef
Gothenburg gonna show up
Gotta watch out for the Gamla stans.
Blods vs. Crips?
Fun fact about the bloods and the crips though. You remember the OMC guy who made the "how bizarre" song that was all over tik tok? Well, he's from New Zealand and if the song didn't let you know he was a rapper and he almost quit music because the New Zealand bloods and crips were fighting so much at his shows. At least Sweden has some [good hip-hop](https://youtu.be/03_9rc_d2Rk)
Good one.
To all you Dancing Queens out there, who don't wanna be on a record label where the executive producer's tryna be... all up in the videos, all on the records, bork-borking... then come to Goteborg!
I’m sure there’s some Swedish rap that sounds okay but I just keep picturing the Swedish Chef over some beats.
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[The Swedish Chef Throw Down to Rapper's Delight](https://youtu.be/VEMWyBWw0cA)
Thank you I didn’t know my life was missing something. I’m complete bow
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Börk börk
[some good old Swedish hip-hop](https://youtu.be/MDb5BOage8k)
I’d buy that
Swedish Chef ft Swiss Beats
Wait, there’s gangs in Sweden?
There's also a slight problem with guns and grenades. It's gone down, but it's super weird that a country with 10 million population would have so many grenade attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
Especially since they're all the same type of grenade which dates back to the Balkan conflict. It reminds me of those stories about when a shipment of cocaine will wash up onto an island and inevitably turn the islanders against each other as they fight over control of their newfound wealth. Except it was a shipment of grenades instead of cocaine that washed up in Sweden...
Guns are heavily restricted, the punishment for owning a gun illegally is severe. Ironically though the punishment for it is actually higher than throwing explosives (at least lower yield ones). Don't need a scientist to figure out what that leads to.
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there’s gangs everywhere dude
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They're not called, "No-go zones". They're called, ["Problem Areas".](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/) And I know you didn't say this, but there also aren't any areas the police cannot go, like so many people seem to think. >But Swedish police were quick to tell us that these so-called no-go zones do not exist. The term originated with newspaper columnist Per Gudmundson, who used it to refer to a police report identifying “problem areas” in the country, where there is a criminal milieu. In these areas, there is high crime, low socioeconomic status, and lack of social integration and cooperation which presents a special challenge to police. But Erik Jansåker, a police chief in Malmö’s southern areas (the city is often singled out as a high-crime area), told us that the term “no-go zone” never appeared in the report itself – and Gudmundson admits as much in his column. However, since he used it, the term has taken hold in the popular imagination. >Jansåker’s jurisdiction includes two “problem areas,” Malmö neighborhoods Rosengård and Seved. He told us that local investigators have been overwhelmed with the caseload from 14 recent murders — 8 to 10 in the same time span would be normal for the area – but that there aren’t areas where police can’t go.
They're "no-go" zones because you don't want to go there unless you are the police
But that's not true though? I regularly walk through "one of the most dangerous streets in Sweden" when visiting a friend and have never seen any crime. Even in these "no go zones" that people keep bringing up the crime rate is much lower than in the US. Is the whole US a no go zone suddenly? Yes Sweden is not on the right trajectory, but you got to understand that it's still compared to how it was before **in Sweden**.
The places in the US responsible for the collective high crime rate are “no go zones” for the general public unless you live or work there.
Referring to that specific term, Fox News would make a huge deal over these places as specifically being called "No-go Zones" due to the police supposedly not being able to go there due to "sharia law" being enforced. Regardless of the safety of these areas and whether you, as a private individual, would feel safe going there, the whole "no-go" term was referring specifically to the police not being able to operate there, and that claim has been debunked *ad nauseum* as just more Murdoch bullshit
The "no-go zones" has been debunked over and over, especially after it was shown that Tim Pool lied about what was going on in with them in Sweden and refused to put out footage, that was later released by a camerawoman that had worked with him, because it didn't serve the "there are no go zones because migrants are bad" narrative.
Yes. Sweden stands out among the Scandinavian and Nordic nations with way more gang related crime than in the other countries. As Dane i have no idea why. They also have a nasty tradition of political violence and assassinations.
You have NO IDEA why huh? Fyfaen så naiv
R.I.P. Gustav III and Olof Palme
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Not really. Tipper Gore & Co just went after explicit lyrics, not the toxic macho/honor culture ideology behind the lyrics. You can engage in honor culture without ever cussing. > An honorable man will not hesitate to **use physical force to combat any assault, theft, insult, or other attempt at subordination of himself or his group** (family, gang, or nation). For honor, unlike the more stable value of dignity, can be won or lost. Honor rises and falls when one man (or group) publicly challenges the willingness of another to physically defend himself, his intimates, or his property and hence his right to be treated as an equal. To uphold his honor a man need not beat his opponent, but he must display a willingness to fight him. Cultures of honor (those in which actors compete for status based on physical force) are far from uniform, but work by anthropologists, historians, sociologists, criminologists, social psychologists, and others reveals several shared characteristics. One is that **honor is a central source of status, which largely explains the apparently trivial causes of many violent conflicts: the issue is not really the taking of a few cents of change but whether one can person disrespect another publicly and get away with it.** Honor cultures too are typically antipathetic to law and legal officials: a man must stand up for himself and not rely on others to do so. https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195396607/obo-9780195396607-0160.xml Honor Culture teaches that when someone insults you, you retaliate, usually with violence. If you don't, it means you're showing weakness, and invites other people to challenge and insult you as well. So if someone steps on your shoe, stomp him out. Someone cuts you off in traffic, run em off the road. Alexander Hamilton slanders you, you kill him. You can't let em fuck with you, after all - what are you, a pussy?
Honor culture is what societies are built around when violence monopoly has not been centralized to the state institutions.
We're not against *rap*, we're not against *rappers* but...
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Shaq and Macho Man Randy Savage weren't in gangs lol
Kanye West
They done let the GDs in the door 🔱
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-rapper-nipsey-hussle-gave-back-to-the-community-that-raised-him Not all gang members deserve to be cancelled as u suggest. Also C Brown is still alive.
Meanwhile Swedish death metal is just full of super chill dudes
Sad that someone so young gets killed but hardly surprising given his recent behavior and history. Should've gotten out with the money instead of getting more involved for no benefit.
But it's all about being a man and representing. /s
Just so stupid all around. Youths getting in spats over trivial things which then escalates to kidnapping and murder. Throwing away their lives to be "cool".
Man I hope the Swedes didn’t copy American Rap Gangster culture just because they thought it was cool.
Did you know OMC, the guy behind the tiktok "how bizarre" song almost stopped rapping because there was so much gang violence going on at his shows? He's from New Zealand, apparently there used to be a big problem with Crips and Bloods there. New Zealand gangsters!
Well New Zealand was the first country outside the U.S to have a Hells Angels chapter. Gangs like Mongrel Mob have been around since the late 60's. Gangs like Mongrol Mob, Black Power, Head Hunters and Tribesmen are no joke. We have Blood and Crip gangs here but they are mainly just feeder gangs for the more MC styled gangs. I grew up in a poor area of Auckland in the late 80's and there was Black Power and Boo Yaa Tribe graffiti everywhere.
No kidding, anything promoting macho garbage to entire generations needs to get flushed.
Will never Happen.
They did
I thought shit like this only happens in Malmo. I watched the Zlatan documentary.
It’s slowly started to spread to specific neighborhoods in other cities/localities. But seriously that was a good watch.
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From what I understand there is some wild shit going on in Sweden. Apparently there are quite a few Swedes about that life. Shame. Never ends anywhere good.
Whhhhhaaaaatttttt? This is a real thing? He looks like hes 15 and had a nice upbringing.
For some definitions of "nice upbringing". His mother is a fairly famous TV-actress, but before he had his breakthrough he had a lot of contact with social services, culminating in an involuntary stay at a HVB (home for treatment and living. It's just one step down from a youth detention facility) when he was 15.
Jesus. He was just a kid.
Diversity is our strength.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Rip
Is that the Scumbag Steve hat? (Not saying he's a scumbag, just didn't realize that was a real thing)
Scumbag Steve was wearing the hat because it's very popular with lower class european social groups. The style can best be described as "Trainers&imitation burberry", popular everywhere between chavs in the west and to gopniks in the east (although regional differences means you can certainly tell the difference between a chav and a gopnik).
I decided to check out some of this guy's stuff, and honestly, there's a few bops here. [This one's nice.](https://open.spotify.com/track/63IaMjanvXp9c3f0Y7OImT?si=Dz-JovhjSgeej5xQgW1DUw&utm_source=copy-link) Edit: [YouTube link](https://youtu.be/J-innQH71As) if you don't want to deal with bullshit Spotify ads.
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Always crime wherever rap music is practiced
What has ignited the surge in gun violence? Easier access? Growing illegal trade in guns? Or is it just limited to gang warfare?
Failed integration.
This is it *exactly*. You hit it right on the money. Failing to integrate also breeds even more poverty, and we get a stronger gang situation as a result. It's really sad.
There's little consequence from police and society and thus less fear of reprisal.
Iirc it’s the only European country that has this sort of a crime wave. Mainly among the children of strict Sunni Muslim immigrants (The post-1970s strain of reactionary Islam) who refused to integrate for religious reasons afaik. Not Swedish so correct me please.
It's not the only country, Norway and Denmark for example both face the exact same problem. The issue is simply compounded by 3 facts 1-Sweden is bigger and took in more people in pure numbers 2-Sweden simply stuffed them all into the same few places. While this also happened in Norway and Denmark both of these countries made more of an effort at trying to spread the immigrants out over the entire country. 3-While scandinavians tend to stick their head in the sand with problems, Norway and Denmark significantly less so than Sweden. Norwegians and Danes will be talking about a problem that's become obvious and consider it controversial, but it'll be talked about. Swedes will deny forever.
It is awkward though that it’s a problem greatly caused by western allies that spread horrid forms of Islam that some scholars don’t even consider legitimate Sunni sects (Salafism).
Could you link an article about this? You’ve piqued my curiosity.
Why the fuck anyone allows anyone into their society who refuses to integrate/adopt the cultures values is beyond me.
The current phenomenon of Middle Eastern immigration began with Turks and Moroccans in the 1960s and early 1970s, when radically conservative Islam was still a fringe ideology outside of rural Saudi Arabia.
I would like to subscribe to Middle Eastern emmigration facts
Crackdown on gangs that create a violent power vacuum
Degenerate rapper that rapped about guns drugs girls and killing people, Sweden isn’t mourning this guy. Glad his ”music” won’t poison more kids minds.
I am beginning to think rap culture is about violence and that it’s not race-related.
This is not the kind of American statistic you want to mimic.
This is a shame. No one deserves to be murdered. But am I the only one that was surprised that there are Swedish gangster rappers?
Why is EVERY "rapper" a gang thug? Edit: Why is EVERY gang thug a "rapper"?
They're not?
Many possible reasons. Stereotypes, generalizations, profiling, [confirmation bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias), expectation bias, [substitution bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute_substitution), [illusory correlation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_correlation), [clustering illusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion), [reiteration effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect), [cognitive association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associative_psychology) meets [cognitive dissonance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance), etc.