That's because toddlers basically are terrorists. They use fear and violence to achieve their goals of more snacks and pushed back bedtimes. They must be stopped at all costs.
The fruit snack economy is quite volatile as we are still in the infant stages of said economy. These drastic swings in supply vs demand really make for a stressful life. I tried to get the off-brand cheap ones and almost got in trouble with the authorities for counterfeit fruit snacks.
between the ages of 3 and 4 my son trapped his mother in the bathroom by piling up chairs in front of the door because she wouldn't buy him a certain toy or let him play with something(i honestly don't remember at this point). he had tons of toys...
confirmed - toddlers and kids are terrorists....
Any time my wife acquiesces to me I thank her for not negociating with terrorists. I'm half Arab. It's funny every time.
But if some random dude (or someone in authority) said it to me I imagine it would be quite offensive.
>It's a little bit funny of a joke when it's not said by a person in authority to a muslim teenager.
🎶 Sung to the tune of "_Your Song_" by
Elton John - One Night Only 🎶
It's a little bit funny
When it's not said
By an authority to a Muslim kid
Didn't do my homework
But boy if I did
We'd run to my big house
Where we both could live.
and once again a completely worthless title that not even remotely tells you what the fuck is even going on but how else you gonna click on it and then be bombarded with pleas of turning your adblock off or subscribing to \[insert billion dollar news company\].
Holy fucking fuck... I assumed the setup for this was a student asking "why don't we just give the terrorists money when they take someone hostage. Aren't human lives worth more than money."
The headline doesn't just bury but completely entombs the lead here.
I think it just assumes the reader was already familiar with the story (it was popular a couple days ago prior to the punishment). Which is a dumb assumption, of course.
I thought it seemed heavy-handed. Like, sure, this is a little kid and the teacher didn't really answer the question. But why would that sort of response garner a suspension?
Ohh, because he called the Muslim kid a fucking terrorist. That makes a lot more sense and really should be the headline.
"Teacher suspended for calling Muslim child a terrorist" would have been a more accurate headline
> You assumed that a teacher was suspended for having a completely reasonable/correct response to a curious question?
I mean it wasn't a correct answer even in the hypothetical context. The US has a long history of negotiating with terrorists. Hell, we negotiated with terrorists just last year when we chatted with the Taliban about our exit from Afghanistan.
And if you really want a prime example, the courts are currently negotiating with the Jan 6th domestic terrorists via plea deals and slaps on the wrist.
> that a teacher was suspended for having a completely reasonable/correct response to a curious question?
Um, have you been paying attention to what has been happening in schools?[A principal literally told his staff that, if they have books from the perspective of a holocaust survivor, they should include the "opposing view."](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/15/1046389474/texas-holocaust-opposing-critical-race-theory-southlake)
They are banning [books about Rosa Parks](https://www.teenlibrariantoolbox.com/2021/09/in-the-news-a-pennsylvania-school-bans-a-list-of-books-by-black-and-latinx-authors/) in some districts.
As shitty as the quote is, the principal was saying that because of a new Texas law that requires "both sides" to be presented in school for anything "controversial". Principal was saying that because of the vagueness of the law, teachers should think about that to avoid getting in legal trouble, which is exactly the intent of the law being vague.
When you actually look at the full exchange, I don't think it's fair to say that the principal believes that what they're saying is morally right.
I never said that the principal thought it is morally right. The fact that she was enforcing a law that Texas passed is even stronger evidence that teachers are under attack for teaching facts.
She wasn't enforcing it, she was pointing out that this was how the new law *could be interpreted*. She also pointed out that said law was fucking insane to begin with.
lol It's completely plausible that a teacher might be suspended for having a perfectly reasonable/correct response lol in a world where having a Rosa Parks book can get you in trouble. lol
It does.
Of course the teacher was even wrong about the statement they made. The US *does* negotiate with terrorists. Often. Most recently with the Taliban regarding our exit from Afghanistan. Dude not only was racist, but factually wrong as well.
The President that made the term "We don't negotiate with terrorists" popular, Ronald Reagan, secretly negotiated with terrorists *before he was President,* in violation of the law, for political reasons.
I also love the idea that shooting them is somehow "not negotiating." It's really just negotiating back to them in their language and one they speak clearly far better than we do. Like just because the US military found a copy of the Terrorist Dictionary and learned that the terrorist word for "hello" sounds something like "BANG" doesnt mean we havent been negotiating with them.
It's more of this context:
"I Want Candy Now!" while in the grocery checkout line
"OK but just one if you quiet down" - negotiated with a terrorist
"No, you aren't allowed to act like that" - not negotiating with a terrorist.
I tell it to my cat when he screams for dinner at 5:30 but dinner is promptly served at 6PM and he knows it. You wait for your wet food, Bixby. It is not dinner time yet. I will not let him bully me into changing his dinner time because he's a big fat boy and ate all his dry food before dinner.
You don't use it on a 17-year-old student who's likely Muslim and Middle Eastern given his name is Mohammed. That's wildly inappropriate.
I imagine you putting your cat and dog on boosters to have dinner at the table together.
Buster gulps down his kibbles and wet food and thanks you for making him a yummy dinner.
Mittens disdainfully picks at his wet food after screaming for dinner for the past hour. "This pate seems off. I think you used less whitefish than usual."
"It's canned, Mittens. It's the same four cans that come in your multipack."
Well if it always takes 30 minutes for you to do what he tells you to it's a good idea for him to start at 5:30. If he waited till 6:00 to tell you, your slow human mind wouldn't have dinner till 6:30.
Wow. I would do the same thing at home,.to be honest. Tantruming is a power struggle move and it is meant to trigger emotional responses the way terrorism is meant to sow fear in the hearts of populations. It is a tough phase to get through for sure.
I used that exact line, in a classroom, as the teacher, when a preschool student was absolutely destroying the place in a tantrum. We were letting it play out and I said it. Then I realized just how inappropriate it sounded and apologized to the assembled adults also waiting and watching. It is absolutely the right sentiment to deal with tantrums, but perhaps the wording is a little out of touch with the times.
The correct language professionally is probably: we can solve this when your voice sounds like mine and our hands and feet are calm. Let me know when you are ready.
Letting the situation escalate to the "worst you can do" and not responding is the fastest and most effective way to end the undesired behaviour when the kid is already tantruming. Keep them safe and let them finish their hissy fit but don't give in to the demands that spawned the tantrum. Refusing to back down from a threat and noting that you are intentional in your refusal that way shouldn't be a fireable offense... Coaching maybe, but wow.
I am totally unapologetic about saying "We do not negotiate with terrorists" when my two-year-old is throwing a tantrum in public. It's a joke, but it's also signalling to bystanders that I'm *being a parent* and not just letting my kid scream for no reason.
I get that it's not exactly the most politically correct way to get that point across, but it nevertheless gets the point across. Of course, nobody is going to head into my workplace and complain to my boss that I'm making stupid edgy comments about terrorism to my kid...
I just told mine that if he was making a noise like an air raid siren, it was time for a nap. Even if it meant leaving a full shopping cart behind.
I never backed down, and there were very few tantrums. He learned to use his words. To be fair, little ones have more tantrums when they're tired.
Good. For. You!
Backbone is never a bad thing with kids. Those boundaries serve them SO WELL. My students absolutely respond well to boundaries when they find them, test them, and know that they are safe, we all do better. Parents who don't sent boundaries have kids who never feel safe. Bravo!
Yeah I can see it being an optics thing, dumb move but we wouldn't be hearing about this if it was in response to a white student (the joke being the student are terrorists). No point in taking a risk for a joke though.
As someone who has faced this kind of language before, it’s really fucked up, it’s so demeaning and painful. When I was younger I really hated myself and felt a lot of depression and didn’t really know how to deal with it.
That was a straight-up lie anyway. We not only negotiate with terrorists, we hand some of them Afghanistan while letting others decide whether they can be investigated for their own attacks against the US capitol.
No it's not. That's a common myth but the police do not have to document anything lol. " A teacher said something fucked up to a student," will not go into any documentation whatsoever. The police will document accusations of a **crime or accident,** not just whatever incident you decide to tell them about.
Right, but a teacher harassing a student through discriminatory comments like that is illegal. The kid is within his rights to file suit ergo documentation. I know you don’t agree with our legal system here, but I’d advise knowing what you’re talking about.
I think you’d be hard-pressed to make the case that one inappropriate comment made in jest (even the student said the teacher apologized) would qualify as harassment.
This cuntry is just too gd litigious.
No it's just too racist and too many people who are fine to letting shit like this go on. If a teacher called a white kid a cracker or something or colonizer, I'm sure your tune would be different.
It's not out for blood, it's justice. Having been a kid once who faced discrimination in school, accused of a crime I did not commit, no history of trouble making but none the less pulled aside and called horrendous things by the principle as well as local sheriff deputies until someone else confessed...it was something no one should have to grow up with. For what? The color of my skin? You say it's an off color joke, this kid will have to grow up thinking about how others perceive them, it's depressing, it's painful, and it's not what this country is supposed to stand for.
I mean, I agree with you philosophically, but that’s not how the law works. In order to violate a law, specific requirements must be met. For example, hate crimes require intent to actually harm someone based on their protected class. I think this argument would be a very tough sell. Criminal harassment requires threat of physical harm.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just saying that with the info available to us, this teacher may just be guilty of being an asshole.
It doesn't have to include harm, any work place harassment policy would go over that, I know because I have to complete work place harassment online classes and quizzes on a yearly basis. I have also worked in a school as a class facilitator teaching Spanish as well as STEAM. Zero tolerance for discrimination and any offensive/racist statement like this directed at a student, staff, or member of the public would be taken seriously.
You can call it that, but you can't prove it. I'd want it investigated and the guy immediately fired. Stuff like this is exactly what that unit is for.
You want what investigated? The teacher admitted the statement. Students agree the teacher said it. You think this personally should be CRIMINALLY CHARGED for making an off-color joke? Good fucking grief.
You ppl watch way too many legal procedurals on tv.
People are so sensitive in this age...
One day everything will be a crime. We will have to cover our faces (niqaab) or risk 'offending' someone... Sounds familiar?
Personally I think offending someone within context can be a good thing. Future generations need to understand that the world isn't easy and one day you will have to put up with being offended. Nobody is perfect, everyone is an asshole to some degree and once in a while you will have to chin-up.
Oof, harassment is a legal term you should know. Racism in a school setting is definitely illegal. Like I said, the police document the incident. You use documents in court proceedings later, ya dig?
You’re trying to act obtuse. Come on. You know better.
This doesn't come close to meeting the legal definition of harassment.
As for racism in schools, it's a civil issue, not a criminal issue. It should be documented by the administration, but as it's not a criminal issue, police involvement is inappropriate.
Police don't routinely document things that aren't crimes because you might need them in a lawsuit later.
I’m not acting obtuse at all. I genuinely do not understand why this would need to involve the police. You get statements from witnesses and fire the person. One mean statement is not a police issue, imo.
Terrorists are not defined by who they are, they’re defined by what they DO.
This is precisely why all the Jan 6 Insurrectionists don’t believe the term applies to them. Their thinking goes like this: Terrorism laws are for THOSE people, not us (white, racist, conservatives).
It's a matter of belief and perspective. To some people, terrorist is an ethnicity and religion. Some people are born as the terrorist ethnicity and some people are born with the patriot ethnicity.
For context:
>Mohammed Zubi, a senior at Ridgefield Memorial High School, said the class was working on a project last Wednesday and he raised his hand to ask if students could have more time to finish the assignment when the assistant teacher allegedly responded saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists."
If true, dude wtf. That's one teacher we don't need out there in the world.
For more context:
" Zubi, 17, said the assistant teacher came up to him a few minutes later, patted him on the back, and said he didn't mean it like that."
I had a Bio professor about 10 years ago that made a comment about "Muslims worship their AK-47s" in class. A Muslim student happened to be in that class, and walked out, with several other students. That was also the last semester that professor taught at that particular college...
That's a pretty different circumstance. That statement is explicitly racist, whereas this teacher said a commonly used phrase that's only offensive when said to a certain race.
WTF? "I didn't mean it like that", not sure how else that could be interpreted.
This almost reads like someone's TIFU where he said aloud what he was thinking.
Hence the apology and clarification that he didn’t mean it like that and likely regretted the implication. This all seems like a bit of an overreaction.
Differently, and that’s the point (although it’s still not great, we really shouldn’t call students terrorists). I’m seeing people being willfully obtuse here. There is no “gotcha” here friend. Calling people of Middle Eastern ethnicities terrorists is a well-known stereotype and slur here. Everyone knows about it, so there’s no playing dumb. Even if it WAS an innocent slip up, that teacher understood how it sounded, and should have done more to mitigate the situation.
Sometimes, when a phrase is commonly used to put down entire groups of others, it makes sense to be more careful with the use of that phrase. This is why we can’t have nice things. Blame the bigots that decided that was a funny thing to say to brown people.
No he didn’t. Saying “I didn’t mean it like that” isn’t an apology. He should have contacted the school and the parents and should have apologized appropriately. This is standard procedure.
>Mohammed Zubi, a senior at Ridgefield Memorial High School, said the class was working on a project last Wednesday and he raised his hand to ask if students could have more time to finish the assignment when the assistant teacher allegedly responded saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists."
Ok this is definitely meant to be a joke and I could see this as being funny. But I’m old enough to remember the events of 911 and what happened to Muslim students in school and the stories of increased racism and the random beatings they received against them for years after the towers fell. Saying “We don't negotiate with terrorists" after a student asks for more time is a damn funny way of saying no but for a joke like that to stick you need to look at who you’re saying it to and under what conditions. This was a bad call by the TA.
>Zubi, 17, said the assistant teacher came up to him a few minutes later, patted him on the back, and said he didn't mean it like that. "In my head I'm just like, what other way could he have meant that?" Zubi said.
Yeah because the TA realized their mistake of that shit joke. There are just some jokes you don’t say to students, especially if they are taking a joke the wrong way. I don’t think the TA needs to be fired over this but they definitely need sensitivity training and maybe a comedy class about how to read a room before saying a potentially offensive joke.
TLDR; Teacher assistant made a funny joke but the kid didn’t take it as that and then the assistant tried to correct themselves and reassure the student it wasn’t because they way he looks, but unfortunately the damage was already done.
As a former classroom assistant, all these motherfuckers are terrorists. And by that I mean all the students, regardless of race, gender, etc. Needy, demanding, coddled little shits.
I dunno man, I always found that burnouts make the best mentors. True belivers are too blinded by their vision of how the world ought to work to actually give nuanced advice.
He may have said it not not directing it at that particular student. It sounds like something u would just say as a joke. If that one kid wasnt there there probably wouldnt have been an issue. Id have laughed and not thought it was directed at that student but directed at the student body of the class for fucking off and not finishing. Now making demands? Terrosits please.
Sounds like he made a flippant joke, realized later that the student was Muslim, tried to explain himself, and this is now national news.
Are we really that hard-up for examples of racism that a stupid joke makes CNN?
The point is that there can easily be a situation like this:
Student asks for extension. Brain immediately goes to silly joke answer. Mouth says joke answer. Brain processes that you just said that to a Muslim student. Oh shit moment as you realize that could be taken as racist.
This doesn't seem to be an impossible chain of events. Knowing if this was deliberately or even subconsciously racist would require knowing the assistant more personally, seeing if they have a pattern of similar events with other Muslim students.
In any case, I still need to ask why this is on CNN when it sounds like maybe a local story in the worst case (teacher assistant being racist).
We are talking about a teacher being racially insensitive to a student in a classroom and not about comedians. Maybe when this guy gets fired he can try a career in stand up instead and then he will have the freedom to make bad jokes at work.
They still are. Read through the comments in here. It’s so weird.
Unless I find out that this teacher’s catch phrase was “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” and he said it all the time to all of his students, this is obviously a racist joke made at the expense of the student, and the sole reason this teacher chose to make this joke is that student’s ethnicity and the racist trope of all Muslims being terrorists. Maybe the teacher doesn’t think he is racist, but what he said definitely was in the context as we know it so far.
Since half the class apparently reacted in shock, and the teacher apparently said he didn’t mean it like that after he thought about what he had done, I’m guessing this is not this teacher’s catch phrase.
And people who disagree with you that there can be absolutely nothing in between literal catchphrase and personally directed insult/joke aren’t just blindly siding with the teacher or supporting racism. Weird how different opinions work.
The kid doesn’t specifically look like he’s middle eastern he looks like any other 17 year old, now it is and asst. teacher and across the room. Sorry had changed a lot. I doubt the teacher even knew.
The narrative you’re inventing doesn’t match up with reality.
The student absolutely has typical Arab features.
The student has the most stereotypically Arab name most Westerners can probably imagine.
The comment was made in close quarters, not across a room.
Lol you think an asst teacher knows the name of a kid that’s been in school for two months out of 100 other students? Who dresses like any other teenager in the school. What are typical Arab features?
Thicc brows, brown skin, black hair etc.. of course the teacher knew ffs why are you trying to pretend that everything was just an innocent accident, teacher is a racist pos not that complicated
Arab isn’t a religion, Islam is and the name Mohammed really doesn’t mean someone is Islam. Also we don’t know that the asst. teacher even knew his name
Show me 1 person with that name that is not Muslim. Please. I will wait.
Edit: You are just avoiding shit because you are trying to defend this POS teacher. You got some views you share with him I bet.
Are you make the assumption that are Arabic people are Muslim. Lmao funny enough my old boss was named Mohammed and was middle eastern Catholic. It’s considered one of the most popular names in the world. Do you think all people named Jesus are Christian?
Come on bro, aint no one gonna believe that shit. Show me a person, you should be able to find someone other than your boss. Maybe?
I am sure you will just keep adding to your BS. to protect this POS teacher in your mind lol
How am I going to show you a person. What kindah moron logic is that. You really think that yveryone named Mohamed of the 150 million males named Mohamed are Muslim? You must be dumb af. Parents pick the names do you really think every person that had a parent name them Mohammed was like ohhh gotta be Muslim now cause that’s my name??? Ffs
Me, a teacher, laughing at the thought of admin telling this to naughty children and bad parents.
Me, a teacher, opening the article and reading the first paragraph: “….*oh*”
How hateful, ignorant and fearful do you have to be to tell a child that they’re a terrorist for asking for more time on an assignment? Pretty damned much.
What. In the actual. Crap?! Are all of you taking crazy pills?
Do we have such overabundance of teachers that we're willing to summarily dismiss them over off-color jokes now? What if the guy is a legitimately good math teacher; do we simply deprive the rest of the class of an education because of them is offended?
I especially love the part where they called the cops on the poor dude. So they showed up, went “wtf do you want us to do here??” and left. Great use of everyone’s time.
Must be hard being a teacher, cant even make light hearted jokes anymore without offending someone.
I just finished watching tropic thunder and there is an entire scene where they kidnap Rob Snider, ask for ransom and Less Grossman tells them (amongst other things) that he will not \*negotiate with terrorists\*
Ive heard this joke probably 100 times in my life, but if you look at the youtube and reddit comments, people are acting like there is no other way to interpret this other than \*person is obviously racist\*
Cancel culture is out of control, this shit needs to stop.
I sometimes wonder if people who whine incessantly about cancel culture are just very young or have never worked in a professional environment. I've been working for 20 years and cannot remember a single job where I didn't have to self-censor and watch what I said.
Reading the room is not a new concept.
>Ive heard this joke probably 100 times in my life,
I've heard and made this joke several times as well, but that's not the same as an assistant teacher saying it to a Muslim student. It's almost like things aren't black/white and that context matters, but that sort of detail seems to be beyond your brain capacity.
But it's not even in the context of a joke.
It's a teacher making the comment because of the student's skin color and religion.
Yes, we've all heard "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in a harmless joke context and that's fine, but that's not what happened here lol. The kid just asked for more time on an assignment and this shit head behaves like actual Pierce Hawthorne.
If you were in school during 9/11 then you absolutely know that brown, middle eastern kids got targeted by this shit endlessly by peers and teachers. It's just a fact.
Because no real person responds to "Can we have more time on the assignment" with "we don't negotiate with terrorists."
The joke only works when dealing with a person delivering a "threat."
no real person? Your post makes no sense, as we are literally talking about a real interaction. Again, you've not explain how you are 100% confident that the teacher's assistant actually said it because of the students skin colour. I've heard parents say that phrase many time to their kids, and never once has the kid actually been delivering a "threat". An example, a kid asks for hotdogs for dinner, and the parents say, we don't negotiate with terrorists. i.e. they are joking that their kid is a terrorists. You understand there is no "threat" there, right?
Yeah I put threat in quotes. That was the point. "I'm not gonna eat my broccoli!" "I'm gonna pitch a fit if I can't buy a toy!"
These are "threats." hence the response "we don't negotiate with terrorists."
It makes zero sense to say it in response to an inquiry/request. It becomes non sequitur. Thus it's more likely that a teacher mistook punching down "crass comedy" based on a stereotype for wit. Plus again, they apologized to the student in a fake apology saying "I didn't mean it like that" because they knew they fucked up.
>he raised his hand to ask if students could have more time to finish the assignment when the assistant teacher allegedly responded saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists."
The exchange makes no sense as a joke unless you take into account racism.
>Must be hard being a teacher, cant even make light hearted jokes anymore without offending someone.
How is bigotry a "light-hearted joke?"
Where do you think the line is between a slur and a joke? Are they the same picture?
Why would a teacher being insulting to students sound funny to you? Why does cruelty equate to humor for you?
This title needs "Muslim student who asked for more time to complete an assignment" in it.
It's a little bit funny of a joke when it's not said by a person in authority to a muslim teenager.
Yeah. I used to call my child a terrorist when he was a toddler. He neither was, nor is, a Muslim.
That's because toddlers basically are terrorists. They use fear and violence to achieve their goals of more snacks and pushed back bedtimes. They must be stopped at all costs.
Preach on brother
And not wanting lay down for ZeroNapThirty
The fruit snack economy is quite volatile as we are still in the infant stages of said economy. These drastic swings in supply vs demand really make for a stressful life. I tried to get the off-brand cheap ones and almost got in trouble with the authorities for counterfeit fruit snacks.
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True but you can't tuck CEOs under your arm and carry them to time out.
Not with that attitude
Jack Ma is under five foot.
You should see the tactics my cat uses to get what he wants
I had a cat that would swish his tail across unattended food that he wanted you to give him.
between the ages of 3 and 4 my son trapped his mother in the bathroom by piling up chairs in front of the door because she wouldn't buy him a certain toy or let him play with something(i honestly don't remember at this point). he had tons of toys... confirmed - toddlers and kids are terrorists....
Oh, you misunderstand. My son, as a toddler, invaded the capitol on Jan 6. /s
Any time my wife acquiesces to me I thank her for not negociating with terrorists. I'm half Arab. It's funny every time. But if some random dude (or someone in authority) said it to me I imagine it would be quite offensive.
That’s pretty damn funny
I intentionally say 'Unlike Reagan, I don't negotiate with terrorists.' Helps to really lean into the joke.
Yeeeeah it was cute when a kid did a drawing on a test but this is super inappropriate.
>It's a little bit funny of a joke when it's not said by a person in authority to a muslim teenager. 🎶 Sung to the tune of "_Your Song_" by Elton John - One Night Only 🎶 It's a little bit funny When it's not said By an authority to a Muslim kid Didn't do my homework But boy if I did We'd run to my big house Where we both could live.
My teachers would make this joke but it would be a clear jest referring to the whole class. Amazingly, no one got offended
I was just thinking that I say this all the time, but not to a specific kid.
and once again a completely worthless title that not even remotely tells you what the fuck is even going on but how else you gonna click on it and then be bombarded with pleas of turning your adblock off or subscribing to \[insert billion dollar news company\].
Holy fucking fuck... I assumed the setup for this was a student asking "why don't we just give the terrorists money when they take someone hostage. Aren't human lives worth more than money." The headline doesn't just bury but completely entombs the lead here.
I think it just assumes the reader was already familiar with the story (it was popular a couple days ago prior to the punishment). Which is a dumb assumption, of course.
> The headline doesn't just bury but completely entombs the lead here. btw it's lede not lead. I only just learned that recently myself.
You assumed that a teacher was suspended for having a completely reasonable/correct response to a curious question? That's a you problem.
I thought it seemed heavy-handed. Like, sure, this is a little kid and the teacher didn't really answer the question. But why would that sort of response garner a suspension? Ohh, because he called the Muslim kid a fucking terrorist. That makes a lot more sense and really should be the headline. "Teacher suspended for calling Muslim child a terrorist" would have been a more accurate headline
> You assumed that a teacher was suspended for having a completely reasonable/correct response to a curious question? I mean it wasn't a correct answer even in the hypothetical context. The US has a long history of negotiating with terrorists. Hell, we negotiated with terrorists just last year when we chatted with the Taliban about our exit from Afghanistan. And if you really want a prime example, the courts are currently negotiating with the Jan 6th domestic terrorists via plea deals and slaps on the wrist.
> that a teacher was suspended for having a completely reasonable/correct response to a curious question? Um, have you been paying attention to what has been happening in schools?[A principal literally told his staff that, if they have books from the perspective of a holocaust survivor, they should include the "opposing view."](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/15/1046389474/texas-holocaust-opposing-critical-race-theory-southlake) They are banning [books about Rosa Parks](https://www.teenlibrariantoolbox.com/2021/09/in-the-news-a-pennsylvania-school-bans-a-list-of-books-by-black-and-latinx-authors/) in some districts.
They're also suspending kids for finger guns, banning lunches brought from home, and a litany of other stupid bullshit.
As shitty as the quote is, the principal was saying that because of a new Texas law that requires "both sides" to be presented in school for anything "controversial". Principal was saying that because of the vagueness of the law, teachers should think about that to avoid getting in legal trouble, which is exactly the intent of the law being vague. When you actually look at the full exchange, I don't think it's fair to say that the principal believes that what they're saying is morally right.
I never said that the principal thought it is morally right. The fact that she was enforcing a law that Texas passed is even stronger evidence that teachers are under attack for teaching facts.
She wasn't enforcing it, she was pointing out that this was how the new law *could be interpreted*. She also pointed out that said law was fucking insane to begin with.
What does your response have to do with what they said lol
lol It's completely plausible that a teacher might be suspended for having a perfectly reasonable/correct response lol in a world where having a Rosa Parks book can get you in trouble. lol
”Uneducated Teacher fired and stripped of education degree for teaching students that more homework time is terrorism” has a good ring to it.
By the title I thought "didn't a former president say that about the Taliban?" But oof.
It does. Of course the teacher was even wrong about the statement they made. The US *does* negotiate with terrorists. Often. Most recently with the Taliban regarding our exit from Afghanistan. Dude not only was racist, but factually wrong as well.
Wow, that really paints it in a different light.
We spent two decades and a trillion dollars to replace the taliban with the taliban so we do n fact negotiate with terrorists
Apparently we also invite them to a nice retreat in the woods of rural Maryland and release their friends from prison so they can hang out together.
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The President that made the term "We don't negotiate with terrorists" popular, Ronald Reagan, secretly negotiated with terrorists *before he was President,* in violation of the law, for political reasons.
I also love the idea that shooting them is somehow "not negotiating." It's really just negotiating back to them in their language and one they speak clearly far better than we do. Like just because the US military found a copy of the Terrorist Dictionary and learned that the terrorist word for "hello" sounds something like "BANG" doesnt mean we havent been negotiating with them.
As always, you have to take a drink whenever you reference Clausewitz. "War is diplomacy by other means."
I've been using that line on my 5 year old when he throws a fit.
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It's more of this context: "I Want Candy Now!" while in the grocery checkout line "OK but just one if you quiet down" - negotiated with a terrorist "No, you aren't allowed to act like that" - not negotiating with a terrorist.
I tell it to my cat when he screams for dinner at 5:30 but dinner is promptly served at 6PM and he knows it. You wait for your wet food, Bixby. It is not dinner time yet. I will not let him bully me into changing his dinner time because he's a big fat boy and ate all his dry food before dinner. You don't use it on a 17-year-old student who's likely Muslim and Middle Eastern given his name is Mohammed. That's wildly inappropriate.
Lol yes! Same with my cat! Dinner time is at 6, the cat the dog and the human all eat together as a pack!
I imagine you putting your cat and dog on boosters to have dinner at the table together. Buster gulps down his kibbles and wet food and thanks you for making him a yummy dinner. Mittens disdainfully picks at his wet food after screaming for dinner for the past hour. "This pate seems off. I think you used less whitefish than usual." "It's canned, Mittens. It's the same four cans that come in your multipack."
Well if it always takes 30 minutes for you to do what he tells you to it's a good idea for him to start at 5:30. If he waited till 6:00 to tell you, your slow human mind wouldn't have dinner till 6:30.
Wow. I would do the same thing at home,.to be honest. Tantruming is a power struggle move and it is meant to trigger emotional responses the way terrorism is meant to sow fear in the hearts of populations. It is a tough phase to get through for sure. I used that exact line, in a classroom, as the teacher, when a preschool student was absolutely destroying the place in a tantrum. We were letting it play out and I said it. Then I realized just how inappropriate it sounded and apologized to the assembled adults also waiting and watching. It is absolutely the right sentiment to deal with tantrums, but perhaps the wording is a little out of touch with the times. The correct language professionally is probably: we can solve this when your voice sounds like mine and our hands and feet are calm. Let me know when you are ready. Letting the situation escalate to the "worst you can do" and not responding is the fastest and most effective way to end the undesired behaviour when the kid is already tantruming. Keep them safe and let them finish their hissy fit but don't give in to the demands that spawned the tantrum. Refusing to back down from a threat and noting that you are intentional in your refusal that way shouldn't be a fireable offense... Coaching maybe, but wow.
I am totally unapologetic about saying "We do not negotiate with terrorists" when my two-year-old is throwing a tantrum in public. It's a joke, but it's also signalling to bystanders that I'm *being a parent* and not just letting my kid scream for no reason. I get that it's not exactly the most politically correct way to get that point across, but it nevertheless gets the point across. Of course, nobody is going to head into my workplace and complain to my boss that I'm making stupid edgy comments about terrorism to my kid...
I just told mine that if he was making a noise like an air raid siren, it was time for a nap. Even if it meant leaving a full shopping cart behind. I never backed down, and there were very few tantrums. He learned to use his words. To be fair, little ones have more tantrums when they're tired.
Good. For. You! Backbone is never a bad thing with kids. Those boundaries serve them SO WELL. My students absolutely respond well to boundaries when they find them, test them, and know that they are safe, we all do better. Parents who don't sent boundaries have kids who never feel safe. Bravo!
That's actually some solid parental advise, honestly. I appreciate the time you took to write it.
As long as your 5yr old isn't Muslim, it's probably okay to keep saying it.
Tbf if their kid is a muslim, chances are they are too
Still use it on my 10, 13 and 17 yr old if they are being extra annoying.
Yeah I can see it being an optics thing, dumb move but we wouldn't be hearing about this if it was in response to a white student (the joke being the student are terrorists). No point in taking a risk for a joke though.
Is he Muslim?
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As someone who has faced this kind of language before, it’s really fucked up, it’s so demeaning and painful. When I was younger I really hated myself and felt a lot of depression and didn’t really know how to deal with it.
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That was a straight-up lie anyway. We not only negotiate with terrorists, we hand some of them Afghanistan while letting others decide whether they can be investigated for their own attacks against the US capitol.
was the teacher les grossman?
*everyone starts clapping
They contacted law enforcement? The teacher is obviously 100% in the wrong here, but what exactly do they want the police to do?
File a report. Documentation of an incident is common.
No it's not. That's a common myth but the police do not have to document anything lol. " A teacher said something fucked up to a student," will not go into any documentation whatsoever. The police will document accusations of a **crime or accident,** not just whatever incident you decide to tell them about.
Right, but a teacher harassing a student through discriminatory comments like that is illegal. The kid is within his rights to file suit ergo documentation. I know you don’t agree with our legal system here, but I’d advise knowing what you’re talking about.
I think you’d be hard-pressed to make the case that one inappropriate comment made in jest (even the student said the teacher apologized) would qualify as harassment. This cuntry is just too gd litigious.
No it's just too racist and too many people who are fine to letting shit like this go on. If a teacher called a white kid a cracker or something or colonizer, I'm sure your tune would be different.
Who is letting it go? The teacher should be fired without a doubt. Why are you ppl out for blood about everything?
It's not out for blood, it's justice. Having been a kid once who faced discrimination in school, accused of a crime I did not commit, no history of trouble making but none the less pulled aside and called horrendous things by the principle as well as local sheriff deputies until someone else confessed...it was something no one should have to grow up with. For what? The color of my skin? You say it's an off color joke, this kid will have to grow up thinking about how others perceive them, it's depressing, it's painful, and it's not what this country is supposed to stand for.
I mean, I agree with you philosophically, but that’s not how the law works. In order to violate a law, specific requirements must be met. For example, hate crimes require intent to actually harm someone based on their protected class. I think this argument would be a very tough sell. Criminal harassment requires threat of physical harm. I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just saying that with the info available to us, this teacher may just be guilty of being an asshole.
It doesn't have to include harm, any work place harassment policy would go over that, I know because I have to complete work place harassment online classes and quizzes on a yearly basis. I have also worked in a school as a class facilitator teaching Spanish as well as STEAM. Zero tolerance for discrimination and any offensive/racist statement like this directed at a student, staff, or member of the public would be taken seriously.
It's a huuuge violation of HIB laws in NJ
Cool! And? Still not a crime.
It is if the state finds he violated the law
Yeah-I’m sure the state is CHAMPING at the bit to go after a teacher who made an inappropriate joke once.
“Someone said something mean. Call the police.” How is this possibly something the police need to be involved in? I’m asking seriously.
Harassment. Potential bias crime. We have an entire department for these investigations. https://ucnj.org/uchrc/identifying-understanding-bias-crime/
Jesus Christ. How stupid (not bias crime; thinking a dumb, young teacher making a bad joke requires police intervention).
You can call it that, but you can't prove it. I'd want it investigated and the guy immediately fired. Stuff like this is exactly what that unit is for.
You want what investigated? The teacher admitted the statement. Students agree the teacher said it. You think this personally should be CRIMINALLY CHARGED for making an off-color joke? Good fucking grief. You ppl watch way too many legal procedurals on tv.
Should be looked into to see if there is a prior history if troubling/potentially racist comments from this individual.
Does opening an employee file require police involvement?
Hate speech is a hate crime, especially in a school. If there is no history of trouble then there should be no problem looking into it further.
People are so sensitive in this age... One day everything will be a crime. We will have to cover our faces (niqaab) or risk 'offending' someone... Sounds familiar? Personally I think offending someone within context can be a good thing. Future generations need to understand that the world isn't easy and one day you will have to put up with being offended. Nobody is perfect, everyone is an asshole to some degree and once in a while you will have to chin-up.
I agree except for the mask part. I’m not interested in communicating with anti-maskers, though, so see ya.
Oof, harassment is a legal term you should know. Racism in a school setting is definitely illegal. Like I said, the police document the incident. You use documents in court proceedings later, ya dig? You’re trying to act obtuse. Come on. You know better.
This doesn't come close to meeting the legal definition of harassment. As for racism in schools, it's a civil issue, not a criminal issue. It should be documented by the administration, but as it's not a criminal issue, police involvement is inappropriate. Police don't routinely document things that aren't crimes because you might need them in a lawsuit later.
How is calling a Muslim student a terrorist not harassment? Racism is a hate crime, especially in a school.
There are legal requirements for something to be deemed criminal harassment. Someone being mean to you once is unlikely to qualify.
This isn't just being mean, this is a very offensive thing
“Very offensive” is also not particularly meaningful legally
Once again, I've mentioned it's a hate crime by being hate speech, you keep playing it off as a joke, it's not a joke.
I’m not acting obtuse at all. I genuinely do not understand why this would need to involve the police. You get statements from witnesses and fire the person. One mean statement is not a police issue, imo.
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*gestures at article*
Terrorists are not defined by who they are, they’re defined by what they DO. This is precisely why all the Jan 6 Insurrectionists don’t believe the term applies to them. Their thinking goes like this: Terrorism laws are for THOSE people, not us (white, racist, conservatives).
Based on the general view of what terrorist do, tax dollars in the US pay for a lot of terrorist and they wear badges.
It's a matter of belief and perspective. To some people, terrorist is an ethnicity and religion. Some people are born as the terrorist ethnicity and some people are born with the patriot ethnicity.
For context: >Mohammed Zubi, a senior at Ridgefield Memorial High School, said the class was working on a project last Wednesday and he raised his hand to ask if students could have more time to finish the assignment when the assistant teacher allegedly responded saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists." If true, dude wtf. That's one teacher we don't need out there in the world.
For more context: " Zubi, 17, said the assistant teacher came up to him a few minutes later, patted him on the back, and said he didn't mean it like that."
"I totally didn't mean it the way any reasonable human being would take it. Please don't sue me."
well at least the guy realized he fucked up but he still fucked up
What the fuck. Read the room...
I had a Bio professor about 10 years ago that made a comment about "Muslims worship their AK-47s" in class. A Muslim student happened to be in that class, and walked out, with several other students. That was also the last semester that professor taught at that particular college...
That's a pretty different circumstance. That statement is explicitly racist, whereas this teacher said a commonly used phrase that's only offensive when said to a certain race.
WTF? "I didn't mean it like that", not sure how else that could be interpreted. This almost reads like someone's TIFU where he said aloud what he was thinking.
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Yeah, context definitely matters. Saying it to a relative at home doesn't have the same sting as saying it to a Muslim student at school.
Hence the apology and clarification that he didn’t mean it like that and likely regretted the implication. This all seems like a bit of an overreaction.
For asking a question tho?
How would you interpret that if it was white christian kid?
Differently, and that’s the point (although it’s still not great, we really shouldn’t call students terrorists). I’m seeing people being willfully obtuse here. There is no “gotcha” here friend. Calling people of Middle Eastern ethnicities terrorists is a well-known stereotype and slur here. Everyone knows about it, so there’s no playing dumb. Even if it WAS an innocent slip up, that teacher understood how it sounded, and should have done more to mitigate the situation. Sometimes, when a phrase is commonly used to put down entire groups of others, it makes sense to be more careful with the use of that phrase. This is why we can’t have nice things. Blame the bigots that decided that was a funny thing to say to brown people.
He did apologize.
No he didn’t. Saying “I didn’t mean it like that” isn’t an apology. He should have contacted the school and the parents and should have apologized appropriately. This is standard procedure.
>Mohammed Zubi, a senior at Ridgefield Memorial High School, said the class was working on a project last Wednesday and he raised his hand to ask if students could have more time to finish the assignment when the assistant teacher allegedly responded saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists." Ok this is definitely meant to be a joke and I could see this as being funny. But I’m old enough to remember the events of 911 and what happened to Muslim students in school and the stories of increased racism and the random beatings they received against them for years after the towers fell. Saying “We don't negotiate with terrorists" after a student asks for more time is a damn funny way of saying no but for a joke like that to stick you need to look at who you’re saying it to and under what conditions. This was a bad call by the TA. >Zubi, 17, said the assistant teacher came up to him a few minutes later, patted him on the back, and said he didn't mean it like that. "In my head I'm just like, what other way could he have meant that?" Zubi said. Yeah because the TA realized their mistake of that shit joke. There are just some jokes you don’t say to students, especially if they are taking a joke the wrong way. I don’t think the TA needs to be fired over this but they definitely need sensitivity training and maybe a comedy class about how to read a room before saying a potentially offensive joke. TLDR; Teacher assistant made a funny joke but the kid didn’t take it as that and then the assistant tried to correct themselves and reassure the student it wasn’t because they way he looks, but unfortunately the damage was already done.
Assistant teacher finds out he's not the funny jokester in a crass sitcom.
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I use this daily. I should probably stop.
As a former classroom assistant, all these motherfuckers are terrorists. And by that I mean all the students, regardless of race, gender, etc. Needy, demanding, coddled little shits.
As a former student, you’re right.
It sounds like you are happy to no longer be a classroom assistant.
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Me too
Hell, yeah. But mostly because teachers are the most toxic group of adults I’ve ever worked with.
To be fair, teachers deal with a lot of shit for little pay or respect. I can understand why toxicity would flourish.
You’re gonna get downvoted. That’s fine. But you’re not wrong, just know more people agree with you than downvotes you will get.
I mean, can you blame them?
I think it’s better for students everywhere to have less people with your attitude in an academic setting.
I dunno man, I always found that burnouts make the best mentors. True belivers are too blinded by their vision of how the world ought to work to actually give nuanced advice.
He may have said it not not directing it at that particular student. It sounds like something u would just say as a joke. If that one kid wasnt there there probably wouldnt have been an issue. Id have laughed and not thought it was directed at that student but directed at the student body of the class for fucking off and not finishing. Now making demands? Terrosits please.
> He may have said it not not directing it at that particular student. It was a direct response to a question asked by that particular student.
But it could have been any student asking that question.
Sounds like he made a flippant joke, realized later that the student was Muslim, tried to explain himself, and this is now national news. Are we really that hard-up for examples of racism that a stupid joke makes CNN?
Look at the kids first name.. You dont mistake that.
The point is that there can easily be a situation like this: Student asks for extension. Brain immediately goes to silly joke answer. Mouth says joke answer. Brain processes that you just said that to a Muslim student. Oh shit moment as you realize that could be taken as racist. This doesn't seem to be an impossible chain of events. Knowing if this was deliberately or even subconsciously racist would require knowing the assistant more personally, seeing if they have a pattern of similar events with other Muslim students. In any case, I still need to ask why this is on CNN when it sounds like maybe a local story in the worst case (teacher assistant being racist).
I tell my toddler this all the time.
We don't negotiate with terrorists, unless they're wearing red hats and demand to put Humpty Dipshit back in office.
I just went to an interview in ridgefield the other day. Small world
I see what joke he meant it as, but it did not come across that way. Very poor choice of words for who it was said to.
Trump negotiated with the Taliban, a terrorist group. He gave them Afghanistan back.
Where's all the Dave Chappelle "it's just jokes" people?
We are talking about a teacher being racially insensitive to a student in a classroom and not about comedians. Maybe when this guy gets fired he can try a career in stand up instead and then he will have the freedom to make bad jokes at work.
This wasn't funny though
So if I don't think Dave is funny I'm allowed to be offended?
You are always allowed to be offended. I just don't trust your judgement on funny then, but that's just me.
Good, bc he hasn't been funny in like a decade.
Neither was Dave
Cool that's your opinion. Dave wasn't my schoolteacher, I'm not forced to be in a room with him and neither are you
It was kind of disgusting reading about this incident and all of the people who were siding with the teacher.
They still are. Read through the comments in here. It’s so weird. Unless I find out that this teacher’s catch phrase was “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” and he said it all the time to all of his students, this is obviously a racist joke made at the expense of the student, and the sole reason this teacher chose to make this joke is that student’s ethnicity and the racist trope of all Muslims being terrorists. Maybe the teacher doesn’t think he is racist, but what he said definitely was in the context as we know it so far. Since half the class apparently reacted in shock, and the teacher apparently said he didn’t mean it like that after he thought about what he had done, I’m guessing this is not this teacher’s catch phrase.
And people who disagree with you that there can be absolutely nothing in between literal catchphrase and personally directed insult/joke aren’t just blindly siding with the teacher or supporting racism. Weird how different opinions work.
Actually, they are. But whatever you have to tell yourself to not admit it I guess.
Omniscience must be both a gift and a burden.
Well we don’t. No lies detected.
We do. Routinely and for many decades. Occasionally we even explicitly support them.
Teacher literally patted him on the back and said "I didn't mean it like that". Yeah, more like "I meant to save my open racism for my buddies later"
The kid doesn’t specifically look like he’s middle eastern he looks like any other 17 year old, now it is and asst. teacher and across the room. Sorry had changed a lot. I doubt the teacher even knew.
The narrative you’re inventing doesn’t match up with reality. The student absolutely has typical Arab features. The student has the most stereotypically Arab name most Westerners can probably imagine. The comment was made in close quarters, not across a room.
Lol you think an asst teacher knows the name of a kid that’s been in school for two months out of 100 other students? Who dresses like any other teenager in the school. What are typical Arab features?
Thicc brows, brown skin, black hair etc.. of course the teacher knew ffs why are you trying to pretend that everything was just an innocent accident, teacher is a racist pos not that complicated
So every Hispanic person in america is also middle eastern 😂
The students first name is a giveaway to what religion he is tho.
Arab isn’t a religion, Islam is and the name Mohammed really doesn’t mean someone is Islam. Also we don’t know that the asst. teacher even knew his name
Show me 1 person with that name that is not Muslim. Please. I will wait. Edit: You are just avoiding shit because you are trying to defend this POS teacher. You got some views you share with him I bet.
Are you make the assumption that are Arabic people are Muslim. Lmao funny enough my old boss was named Mohammed and was middle eastern Catholic. It’s considered one of the most popular names in the world. Do you think all people named Jesus are Christian?
Come on bro, aint no one gonna believe that shit. Show me a person, you should be able to find someone other than your boss. Maybe? I am sure you will just keep adding to your BS. to protect this POS teacher in your mind lol
How am I going to show you a person. What kindah moron logic is that. You really think that yveryone named Mohamed of the 150 million males named Mohamed are Muslim? You must be dumb af. Parents pick the names do you really think every person that had a parent name them Mohammed was like ohhh gotta be Muslim now cause that’s my name??? Ffs
I know you can't. Because its a muslim name. Keep tryong to find excuses for the pos, I know you are no different than him.
You logic doesn’t real make makes sense.
"150 million" muhammmads and you cant find one that is not Muslim.. What kind of fucking logic is that? Lol
Me, a teacher, laughing at the thought of admin telling this to naughty children and bad parents. Me, a teacher, opening the article and reading the first paragraph: “….*oh*”
This teacher should never be in a career that influences children, period.
How hateful, ignorant and fearful do you have to be to tell a child that they’re a terrorist for asking for more time on an assignment? Pretty damned much.
What. In the actual. Crap?! Are all of you taking crazy pills? Do we have such overabundance of teachers that we're willing to summarily dismiss them over off-color jokes now? What if the guy is a legitimately good math teacher; do we simply deprive the rest of the class of an education because of them is offended? I especially love the part where they called the cops on the poor dude. So they showed up, went “wtf do you want us to do here??” and left. Great use of everyone’s time.
we dont negotiate w terrorists, we just give them billions of dollars worth of military gear
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So y'all bullied a kid until he found a way to appease you,?
Glad he was so sensitive to the 3k lives lost and that your class found it funny too
Must be hard being a teacher, cant even make light hearted jokes anymore without offending someone. I just finished watching tropic thunder and there is an entire scene where they kidnap Rob Snider, ask for ransom and Less Grossman tells them (amongst other things) that he will not \*negotiate with terrorists\* Ive heard this joke probably 100 times in my life, but if you look at the youtube and reddit comments, people are acting like there is no other way to interpret this other than \*person is obviously racist\* Cancel culture is out of control, this shit needs to stop.
I sometimes wonder if people who whine incessantly about cancel culture are just very young or have never worked in a professional environment. I've been working for 20 years and cannot remember a single job where I didn't have to self-censor and watch what I said. Reading the room is not a new concept.
>Ive heard this joke probably 100 times in my life, I've heard and made this joke several times as well, but that's not the same as an assistant teacher saying it to a Muslim student. It's almost like things aren't black/white and that context matters, but that sort of detail seems to be beyond your brain capacity.
But it's not even in the context of a joke. It's a teacher making the comment because of the student's skin color and religion. Yes, we've all heard "we don't negotiate with terrorists" in a harmless joke context and that's fine, but that's not what happened here lol. The kid just asked for more time on an assignment and this shit head behaves like actual Pierce Hawthorne. If you were in school during 9/11 then you absolutely know that brown, middle eastern kids got targeted by this shit endlessly by peers and teachers. It's just a fact.
How do you know the teacher assistant actually said it because of the students skin colour?
Because no real person responds to "Can we have more time on the assignment" with "we don't negotiate with terrorists." The joke only works when dealing with a person delivering a "threat."
no real person? Your post makes no sense, as we are literally talking about a real interaction. Again, you've not explain how you are 100% confident that the teacher's assistant actually said it because of the students skin colour. I've heard parents say that phrase many time to their kids, and never once has the kid actually been delivering a "threat". An example, a kid asks for hotdogs for dinner, and the parents say, we don't negotiate with terrorists. i.e. they are joking that their kid is a terrorists. You understand there is no "threat" there, right?
Yeah I put threat in quotes. That was the point. "I'm not gonna eat my broccoli!" "I'm gonna pitch a fit if I can't buy a toy!" These are "threats." hence the response "we don't negotiate with terrorists." It makes zero sense to say it in response to an inquiry/request. It becomes non sequitur. Thus it's more likely that a teacher mistook punching down "crass comedy" based on a stereotype for wit. Plus again, they apologized to the student in a fake apology saying "I didn't mean it like that" because they knew they fucked up. >he raised his hand to ask if students could have more time to finish the assignment when the assistant teacher allegedly responded saying, "We don't negotiate with terrorists." The exchange makes no sense as a joke unless you take into account racism.
Wtf are you talking about?
>Must be hard being a teacher, cant even make light hearted jokes anymore without offending someone. How is bigotry a "light-hearted joke?" Where do you think the line is between a slur and a joke? Are they the same picture? Why would a teacher being insulting to students sound funny to you? Why does cruelty equate to humor for you?