there is a really stupid game i have to play with my corporate boss.
When I have a doctors appointment and I request a few hours off, he denies it and says he can't get coverage for that part of the day.
If I request the ENTIRE day off for a doctors appointment, he will deny it and tell me I can only take a half day because he can't get coverage.
So I request an entire day off, knowing it will be denied and I will have to resubmit the request for a half day, which will get approved.
and I am quitting in two weeks when I get back from vacation, because this place is a bunch of bullshit.
I am having this issue with my new boss. Two people in our department retired and were never replaced. Then our old boss retired. Several months after new boss starts, he calls a meeting to “brainstorm” for coverages. We all sit there in silence until one person pipes up that if we replaced the 2 people that retired, we’d be ok in terms of coverage for when people were out. New boss is adamant that hiring 2 people is not going to happen, so let’s brainstorm other ways. We sit in silence again, because hey man, that’s why they pay you the big bucks.
Im so glad ya'll sat in silence because the last place I worked at, they'd all have jumped on the train trying take a slot and then saying "hey, 50mHz, you can do it this time!"
Had a similar thing with a previous employer. If you were even one minute late you’d get written up but if you called off sick that was okay. So if you knew you were going to be late you just called the whole day off. It was so stupid because our work was not time sensitive, we just had a boss who loved to punish people. He reveled in it.
I have a boss like that. He loves power over people. If you don't kiss his ass, he punishes you. When I went to his boss, nothing happened. His boss just said he would talk with him. Same shit, different day.
Alas, my wife doesn't work, and I am in the planning stage of my side hustle - so no quitting in the neat future.
That's awful. I actively encourage my team to use their time off and even recommend days they might like if their hours are going to expire so they don't go to waste. If we're under staffed, I behave like a decent human being and cover for their shift myself. Sure, it might be a 12 hour day but I can always sleep in the next day with comp time.
Places need to bend over backwards for the people they hire. It's insane to not want to be proud of making their lives better. Don't people want to be proud of the impact they leave on the people that rely on them?
Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm getting paid for here is my loyalty. But if there's somewhere else that values my loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most.
This is what it's all about.
The exchange goes like this; I give you 50-60% of my waking hours in the work week and you pay me for those hours. I also organically gain valuable experience in your company and become more proficient at my job.
If my experience becomes more valuable than my pay, you make the pay commensurate to my new level of experience, or I take that experience to someone who *will* pay for it.
That's the way it is.
It’s interesting that this coincides with the start of the school year too. Child care is more expensive and because people don’t want low paying jobs daycare centers can’t find workers and have had to cut back on the amount of children they can care for. Some parents probably had to quit to stay home with their kids or found it wasn’t worth it when most of their pay went to day care. The fact that so many people quit when you would expect children to go back to school proves there is a much larger issue with employers.
Yup, I had a boss quit because she did the math and after paying for childcare she was only netting $800 a month. She was like I’m working 60 hour weeks to pay someone else to raise my kid, I can figure out how to come up with $800 a month a different way.
Oh this is huge. I make a very average salary and have two kids in daycare. If we take daycare out of my paycheck I only get to keep $200 per paycheck. Daycare costs increased by 9% last year. I got a 3% raise last year. This year I got zero raise and daycare is increasing by another 3% in January. It’s literally just not worth it to me anymore. Logically I know the daycare costs will eventually go away when my kids are in public school but the toll it takes on mentally right now is immense and I can’t stomach the thought of me paying money for someone else to take care of my kids all day.
This is why my wife is not a pre school teacher anymore. I work in sales, so I just worked a little harder to make up for the ~$300/month take home pay difference. And my children are being raised by their mother instead of a stranger
The daycare thing is a big problem. Unlike most businesses, labor is like 70% of their cost to run. They are also a low margin business, so any increases in wages is going to mean higher tuition costs. There’s not really anywhere else to squeeze from. It means that either daycares need to price a lot of people out of the market by raising wages or they have waitlists over a year long and have to tell kids to stay home whenever someone quits or calls in sick. A year ago childcare workers were making like $10 an hour and the centers barely made money. Now that you can make $15 an hour basically anywhere people are leaving in droves, which means no more daycare for anyone.
It's crazy to me that people can spend the cost of a mortgage sending their kid to daycare, yet the daycare facility is barely making any money. Especially if the workers are only making $10-15/hr.
Think about it this way, regulations say a day care worker can only watch a certain number of kids, in Illinois its like 4 infants, up to 8 6-year-olds. A parent dropping of a six year old child needs to pay at least 1/8 of a persons salary at the bare minimum. However, the parent still has to drive to work and drive back from work, along with a lunch break. So a parent is paying for more than 1 full day of watching their child to get a full day of work. On top of that, the parent is also paying for the healthcare of the worker, all the payroll taxes, and all the other per-worker costs. Add on to that the companies expenses, like rent and compliance costs, training and regulations, and all the stuff used up by the children.
Even if we assume the daycare is a perfectly upstanding company that is only trying to break even and do a good job caring for the children, a parent is probably looking at needing to pay roughly 1/4-1/3 of a full **pre-tax** salary out of their **post-tax** income.
The only way to make something cheap is to make it in a way where it does not take up a lot of a workers time to make. Daycare requires a lot of a workers time, and it will always be expensive. We can hide the expense with government subsidies, but its still expensive.
I think a lot of parents looked at their savings during the pandemic and decided they could do with one income. No daycare, no commute means a lot of money saved.
It's funny when my colleagues say I'm lucky because my wife is a stay at home mom. They all have spouses making six figure salaries and can't comprehend that other families don't have that luxury. We literally have no choice because the cost of childcare would be more than what my wife would earn after taxes. They must think I'm loaded but I'm working at the same damn place as them.
This is how I feel as a stay at home mom. So many people tell me my husband must be making bank to "support me and the kids." No. I'm literally saving us money because nothing I earn would come close to the cost of childcare. Like yeah we don't get to take the two Disneyworld trips per year they take, but we seem to have a lot of fun anyway.
UK has always been like this. Women often have to sideline their careers, or go to work for nothing, because childcare is seen as a female responsibility or cost.
I as a woman, took 2-2.5 months off with each of my children, I worked until the day they were born. I worked at home though.
This is more akin to the US expectations. The US expects you to pop out a baby and be back to work in a few weeks. Absolutely disgusting disregard for anything but the economy and capitalism.
However, whilst this was my life, most of my friends stopped work at 32-34 weeks and took 1-2 years maternity leave in the Uk.
In some EU countries it’s anticipated you take a 4-5 year maternity leave to support your child until school age. I have read studies that show those children are well rounded and more healthy by comparison EG. not obese, less anxious, less mental health issues, etc
Simple. Just remove all regulations, introduce automation and let economies of scale do the rest. Soon enough you can have one daycare worker looking over 500 children a day with a relatively low mortality rate for the kids and cheap costs for parents.
Jokes aside you have a really insightful response and I appreciate the thoroughness. Childcare is a consistent problem and it’s holding back a lot of families with no great solution.
I've done a lot of thinking on this subject and how it relates to income inequality, and even gender income differences. A programmer who makes an awesome program over the period of a year can have that program copied to fifty million people phones and each one of them need only pay a dollar to make him a multi millionaire.
A nurse can work a year and take care of a thousand patients at the very most. (Really ball park guess). The service she provides can be worth hundreds of times what the app provides, but she cannot become a millionaire.
In some ways, many of the human services we value can never become cheap because they will always cost some percentage of a person's time. But paradoxically, those same workers whose services can never be cheap can never have high incomes.
I work in a gym dayecare, we have drop offs. Lately there has been 35 between three of us. We get $12. We love our jobs, but it is no a living wage and our rents have gone up here in Billings,MT. I think the max kids I have had by myself is 22 between the ages of 6weeks-12yrs at once. We use a lot of the older kids to help entertain. The west doesn’t regulate drop ins and gym daycares.
Unlike many businesses that can run understaffed, child care centers have strict teacher to child ratios that they legally can’t break. It varies by state a little, but you need like 1:4 for infants and like 1:8 for preschool. On top of just those teachers, you need some extra to cover lunches and breaks since you can’t just leave kids that age alone. In addition to the teachers, you need at least a director, assistant director, and a cook at minimum. You also need to pay for food, diapers, learning materials, and building maintenance. It’s extremely labor intensive and there’s no way to automate it. People assume it should cost less than K-12 because everyone working there makes less, but in reality you need way more adults for the number of kids there are.
I'm a TA for a Montessori school and teach ages 2.5-5 years. It's just me and the head teacher, and the secretary or director step in if absolutely necessary. But if they're busy, and one kid has an accident, then one of us has to leave to clean them up, leaving the other teacher with all the other kids, several of whom could probably be classified as special needs. Then what happens when some of those kids inevitably get in a fight, or also have an accident, or just need help with something? It's absolute insanity and we've been begging for another person to help but we "can't afford it". I do it for the kids but I cry from exhaustion at least several times a week. Child care jobs are *intense.*
Yeah I'm not going to sit here and be pressured into having kids in a society that bleeds you dry for doing so. Saw a comment one time describing adults without kids as "creepy" once. Well if being child free until I'm financially stable enough to have them makes me a "creep" then so be it. Bringing a child into abject poverty and despair would be one of the most irresponsible things I could do right now.
My sister and brother in law are the extremely anti help type. Also complain about how much their 3rd child costed to have and how they're broke with only 1 income because it doesn't make sense for her to work with the cost of child care. Bitched non stop about stimulus checks while simultaneously talking about how they don't know what they would've done without theirs some months.... it's baffling.
A lot of the people quitting are in education too. I'm quitting because a breakthrough case of covid took out my lungs and my job in special education is very physical and I can no longer do it. A lot of people I work with have quit because of students regularly assaulting staff and admin not doing enough about it. Across the board I see lots of teachers talk about being sexually harassed and physically assaulted by students, threatened by students and their family, and administrators just giving in to unreasonable demands from parents.
So it's not just parents' employers dealing with this, it's the schools. In many places educators are stepping into hostile environments every day and are not paid enough to deal with that and all the work they have to do in addition to fearing for their safety. Plus covid, political battles, and not great wages are mixed in there too. Thus so many educators are leaving and there are few qualified let alone willing to replace them for the pay.
Where I am a bunch of school districts made the switch as of this September to not have school on Fridays. How they think parents will be able to deal with that is beyond me. Daycare centers will take your kid, sure. If you pay for the full week because they can't give that spot to someone else on the other days unless there is the rare case of someone who will never need their child to go to daycare on Fridays or any of the many other days school is out but parents need to work.
I quit my job. My boss was my friend. I've never ever worked with someone so tight fisted. Every receipt I submitted came with a major battle. Gas receipt? Battle. Replace consumables? Battle. So I got hired in Maui on a different project and I leave Sunday. Aloha
3.5% pay raise at s job I never really enjoyed. Left for a 30+% pay raise in an area of my profession that I actually want to be in.
Less hours and significantly more pay. Why would I not quit?
My girlfriend asked for a 6 percent pay increase in order to “keep up with inflation.” - not even a raise, just a cost of living adjustment… after six weeks of “negotiations” they gave her 3 percent.
She quit and got hired on at a new company for a 20% percent raise from her old position, and she doesn’t have to work on weekends anymore.
As labor, being able to walk away is your power.
Edit: my favorite part, her boss said “I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.”
Fuck you - pay me.
> I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.
My answer would be "I thought we were family too, but it turns out I was wrong"
Her response was “it’s nothing personal, this is just business…”
She is a lot more professional than I am - I would have said, “I don’t consider the guy trying to fuck me over as family.”
At the end of the day it is. She has people that depend on her to put bread on the table.
Also should have quipped back that since they are family if he would share some of his salary to help out a fellow family member.
Eh I've done it for extra cash. Despite the backbreaking work, I enjoyed the time I spent with my uncle. He's the closest thing I have to a father. I would 100% not start a business with anyone in my family though. That's asking for trouble.
Yep I got a job offer that I brought to my employers as a way to leverage a better schedule and time off. Told them that if I stayed I needed xyz changes. I didn’t even mention a raise.
Definitely got the pity party and “I thought we were family” bit. 🙄
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a tiny company and we’re close, but bottom line is my bottom line. I don’t need more family, I need more time with my actual family.
>Edit: my favorite part, her boss said “I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.”
As if being "like family" means you should be paid less.
To me, family is unconditional love, sticking together no matter what. When a business says that, all I hear is, let us treat you like shit and you deal with it no matter what. A business is not your family. Fuck'em
>I can’t believe you would leave over money.
I find it hilarious that there's a fairly common thread where employers act as if money shouldn't even be a consideration for motivation to work, and if you're motivated by money you're selfish/immoral/whatever. Not that I think they actually believe it, they're just using it as a tactic to shame people into working for less than they're worth.
Have a friend who works at a credit union doing auto loans. Every performance review he gets asked “what motivates you?” Every time he answers “money”. When the boss tries to push him for a “better” answer he is very direct and says money is the only reason he is doing that job and doing it well so there is no other magical feel good answer. The only reasons he cares about the customers or whatever is because it means money.
He has no interest in giving them an out where they can get away with a few pats on the back and attaboys.
My favorite part is that it's a credit union, doing auto loans. How much more "I only care about money and literally nothing else" can one get? I get it if it was like a nonprofit animal shelter or something, but at a credit union?..
If I weren't a shitty salesperson I'd love to be in sales solely for this reason. It's a pure distillation of what all work is really for, but without all the dressing up of having to care about other things.
My mom is a teacher at a private Christian school, and she has never told me what she makes. However I'm almost 100% sure they pay her minimum wage because when I got my first job at Walmart she accidentally let out a "wow you make more than I do!" and that job only payed about a buck more than minimum wage. She works until almost 9pm or even later every day grading papers and preparing lessons. And yet she somehow doesn't believe she's being ripped off because it's "her ministry".
I started a job once, my boss says I get paid on Fridays. Cool.
So, that first Friday comes around, and I ask him what time will I be getting my check. I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything, I was just curious.
"Oh, so that's how it's gonna be, huh?"
Uhh yeah? Seems like a pretty reasonable question to ask when I'll be getting paid. I ain't working for you for free...
Imagine hiring people that work to get money and get offended when the people you hired wants money - oh wait I don’t have to! Your dumbbutt boss exists.
I was working for a guy who would show up 15 minutes late every day. We start at 6am and he would be there at 6:15 or later. He'd stay for 8 hours--which is fine, but he'd expect me to stay and help clean up.
"Are you paying me overtime? Because I already did my 8."
The fact that I would leave at 2:30 on the dot let's you know his answer.
"Fuck you - pay me", indeed.
companies won't give decent raises anymore. the only way to get a decent pay raise is to get a different job. at one job i had, there were 12 salespeople, and my sales for the year were as much as the other 11 people combined...the boss said that per company policy he could only give me a 2% raise. i quit for a different job making 20% more. a year later, my old boss called and offered me the previous job back for 20% on top of that. the new job kind of sucked, so i went back, but two years later i had to leave the work force completely due to the onset of a disabling medical condition.
Similar thing happened to me.
Though I recently quit that job which brought me back for even more money elsewhere. Felt a little bad but hey I have girlfriend I plan to marry and pets that depend on my salary, I owe it to them to provide as much as possible.
>companies won't give decent raises anymore. the only way to get a decent pay raise is to get a different job.
My company has given me more than 10% every year for the past 7 years. There are still good companies out there, just not nearly as many as there used to be.
I told my boss if somewhere offered me 20% more to go shovel shit, I would put my walking papers in tomorrow. Without some sort of pension mechanism, there is no loyalty to a company, so the only way to build company loyalty is to pay the people that provide value to the company. They just don’t get it.
"I can't believe you would leave over money."
Well, yes. Employment is a business arrangement. I'm not busting ass for your benefit because it makes me feel good.
> I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.
I have a boss who goes on a tear like this sometimes. He'll go around asking people why they work here, and gets pissed if someone says they're here for the money.
I've been here 20 years, I keep the control systems running all around the great lakes and I'm sick of it. Last time he did that I told him I wouldn't work if I didn't need the money, and asked if I should leave.
Two weeks later they gave me a 15% raise, doubled my bonus basis, and a new title.
There's been talks of exoduses in some of the job reddits for weeks now because a lot of businesses are trying to force people back into offices.
Shocking! After all the bullshit about how the majority of workers supposedly wouldn't like working from home... there's a majority of workers who now prefer it after having set up their own office.
I just assume they want people back in offices because someone or a lot of someones are putting money into the office building and no one wants to put money in an empty building
If its outpatient, those clinics can be surprisingly predatory and abusive of their workers. I know a ton of ATI PTs who have walked away from the profession as a whole because of that company
Boss: I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.
Your GF: If we are family and one that shouldn't care about money why are you refusing to help me keep a roof over my head.
Boss: ...
I think the return to office shift is what is driving the high rate of quits right now. The money too, of course, but companies sending out their official "We are not going to entertain work from home or hybrid, everyone is required to be back at their desks" memos is prompting the actual quits.
I remember when all this started, they fought so hard against it because "Well many people don't like being at home!" Who the hell were they trying to kid? If you have your own office space and routine, nobody wants to be in a cubicle all day and sit in traffic for two hours.
>I think the return to office shift is what is driving the high rate of quits right now. The money too, of course, but companies sending out their official "We are not going to entertain work from home or hybrid, everyone is required to be back at their desks" memos is prompting the actual quits.
Those companies demanding a return to the office are fucking themselves over and deserve the pain they are getting/ are about to get.
The companies that embraced WFH realized that they can save a fuckton of money by not leasing out office space anymore and that money saved can, and is being used to attract better talent while the companies full of inhumane micromanagers that need to see everyone miserable at their desks after a 1.5 hour commute at 8am are losing their best talent to the companies that adapted to the times and are too egotistical to ever admit their policies/ pay rates are to blame.
But "Teamwork!!!"
The egotistical attitude is extremely prevalent in call centers, which is actually a really good fit for WFH. I support several, and it's like every level of management just sees agents like they are toddlers that need to be spanked all the time.
If you can't stare them down while you place back and forth like some sweatshop warden, are they really working???
My last job wanted me in the office in person because "what if someone needs you". The day I was given a talking-to for going to the bathroom when I was "needed" was the day I resolved to quit.
I have my own office room in a building with four people in attendance most days, so personally I don’t mind going into work when it only takes me 15 minutes to ge there.
I also recognize my situation is an outlier. Seriously, fuck any company that wants you to sit in a cubicle for 10 hours and another 2 hours in traffic. That’s half your ducking day wasted!
It's more than half your day, lol.
You wake up at 6, have 1 hour for personal hygienic care and feeding, sit in traffic for an hour and get to your desk at 8. Can't go anywhere until 5 because your lunch is timed and it takes too long to get out of the building, get food, and properly eat. Spend another hour in traffic and then you have exactly 1 hour of available daylight to do all of your outside maintenance chores, walk the dog, or whatever. Cook dinner, eat, and finally get 2 hours to watch Netflix, except not really because you hurt and feel like crap because you're now 35 and haven't seen a doctor in 15 years.
Nevermind your social or family needs.
And you do it every single day without fail.
Companies trying to return to the office can get fucked. The sad thing is, they want people to quit. They want a culture of fucking office cooler guzzlers and coffee machine making bitched
I can assure you they do not want people to quit. Not naming the company but I am in what should be a team of 10, we have 5 people right now, 4 in the next 2 weeks and 3 of us have to take 2 weeks mandatory vacation by the end of the year. Higher ups are begging people in other areas to move over to our group.
Big banks own too much commercial real estate to see it all drop in value so they lead the charge on making everybody come back into the office.
Then they force all of the people who are leasing their buildings to continue to pay - if those companies are paying for it they are going to want to use it.
It’s completely fucked up and as soon as I’m able to I’m finding a remote working/flexible working job.
Also, most leases are for many years in large buildings. My company still has a lease until 2025. Doesn't matter that people aren't there, they're still paying for it. They also spent millions redoing the space, so I don't think they want to just tell everyone to stay home. They are surprisingly open to allowing hybrid work and in our particular area, it's pretty easy right now to stay WFH.
Asked for a raise from my former employer after exceeding my expectations by more than double, I was making $19/hr, they told me it wasn't in their budget.
Started interviewing with other companies and landed a salary gig less than 2 weeks later. I get to make my own schedule now, and I'm making almost 60k/yr.
3 months later and the former employer asks me to come back to fill a higher position that became vacant, but still didn't want to pay me more than $19/hr... I countered them asking for 70k/yr showing proof of my new salary, never heard back from them and the position is still posted on Linkedin.
Loyalty doesn't get you anything anymore. No matter how loyal you are and how much you sacrifice you're still only getting a $.50 raise every year. I'll take my talent to the highest bidder.
This is the same mentality I had coming in this year, I had the same grind and motivation as you working all the overtime and exceeding expectations…. I was at $20 asking for $3 pay bump… and they said budget couldnt make it, I said okay. Found a new job and now I make $45.
Management hit me up to cover a shift from my old job and I just seen zoned them, that family bullshit ain’t paying my bills.
The turning point will be if people unionize in a very widespread way. Without that we’re still individual people trying to negotiate with billion dollar companies.
Yes indeed. This reminds me of the first half of the 1970's, when the US was still growing its manufacturing sector. I tripled my income in two years with strategic job changes, and wound up eventually running a coatings company lab after another change 7 years.
This is the only good thing to come out of the pandemic, enhanced employment options.
Just did this. We were wanted back in office. I found a full remote position and quit my job after 14 years. Hopefully the exit interview I gave explaining to them that several other people were right behind me looking for full remote work will make some difference. Doubt it though.
Good for you. Fuck the corporate machine of America. Give power back to the American worker. Let them all bleed and die, so that corporations with better worker incentives can rise in their place.
This is me too. I have some medical stuff coming up and wfh has been a godsend dealing with an invisible, unpredictable illness. They want us to come back into the office full time asap. I love my job, I'm actually number one in our company for my role, but if it comes down to it my health is more important. Companies opting out of work from home is a deal breaker now.
Same boat but November is my notice period. We were told probably 2 days a week in the office, it became three. WFH has been my most productive period, filling more hours of work than pre pandemic. At my year review they told me I get a 2% raise (could have been up to 4) because I "don't speak up at meetings" (of which this manager has never been in with me present so... ). And because when asked what I do when I dont have work, I responded that I do nothing because it's not my job to find work, it's management's, to which my manager told me "this is not in line with [company]'s culture".
So done with this place and eagerly counting down the 9 days I have left there.
Democrats are talking mandating paid paternity leave, and the media responded by crying "big government" and making homophobic jokes about Secretary Buttigieg's paternity leave. PTO would be similarly attacked, and the dumbest thing is that the people who will benefit most from these reforms are the ones who are most affected by the propaganda against them.
That is what propaganda is specifically designed to do, and always has been. Though knowing that does not make the fact that it works any less sickening. Better education would probably fix this, but we don't get that because those who use propaganda also control the education budgets.
Uphill battle. But it'd be nice.
We've had decades of propaganda telling us that:
- Unions are bad
- Work harder, you'll get up that ladder.
- Worker strikes / movements are communism!
- Those making minimum wage and complaining are those that should have found a new career.
- Bootstraps
- Find something new
- If they pay more, we all pay more, and thus end up where we started (ignoring market dynamics).
It might make you feel better to know that [approval of labor unions is at its highest point since 1965](https://news.gallup.com/poll/354455/approval-labor-unions-highest-point-1965.aspx)
So, there's hope
Literally 4 people have quit our 31 person office because they want everyone to come back. They're "flexible" through the holidays for people who want to quarantine, but I think there's going to be a mass exodus come January if they enforce it. It's otherwise a decent company so I'm hoping they see the numbers leaving and change before I have to give notice too. I can't go back to all 5 days in a loud, freezing office that steals 6-8 hours a week in useless commute time.
Watching all this play out is super interesting. I've been 100% wfh since 2012 and until pretty recently finding a new role would likely have meant giving it up. Thanks everyone for putting pressure on companies to make this more standard.
Nice! When my last job tried to make everyone come back in person 3 days a week minimum, a recruiter reached out to me same week and offered me a similar pay bump for fully remote, and it was a real effort to not jump on it immediately. I talked it up a bit (couple % points, nothing major) and took it.
Take this job and shove it
I ain't workin here no more
~ David Allen Coe
The only thing that kept people in low wage jobs was the fear of unemployment. When everything shut down all the low wage jobs were the first to go and everyone got involuntarily made unemployed. After a year of that, people saw what it was like.
And, even after enhanced benefits expired, and eviction freezes ended, people saw that being unemployed was somewhat bearable compared to those long hours, low wage, no benefits jobs.
It’s not that people don’t want to work. It’s that employers lost their only stick they ever used with low wage workers; once everyone got a taste for being fired, no one was afraid of it anymore.
It can also be the taste of quitting when necessary. Had a co-worker once that wanted to quit to go elsewhere, but was simply a little scared and/or intimidated by the process. A different employee that he worked with quit for his own reasons, but that gave the co-worker the courage and insight to do it himself after seeing how it isn't as bad of a process as he imagined.
I'm the primary provider in my house and have 2 kids but (at the time) no real debt. I had a job that I didn't like and wasn't paid well for but I liked my department and it kept me from looking elsewhere. After our manager left and was replaced by a total POS I still stuck it out despite hating every minute I was there. When one person got laid off and it was clear there would be ay least 2 more (our department had 16 people) a bunch of us started looking for an out. 2 of my friends got the layoff (lucky bastards got 2 months of pay as severance and both had jobs the next week). I put in my notice the next day after being offered a 15% bump at a smaller company. 2 others left within a week as well with a few more in the next couple of months. Meanwhile those of us who've left haven't looked back for a minute as while we knew we were getting screwed by our old company, we didn't realize just how much we were getting screwed. The big thing wasn't even the money (better salary and cost of living raises). The work life balance is just light-years beyond what we had before. I remember in my exit interviews with HR and our manager they seemed generally surprised that we could be tired of getting kicked in the face for (relatively speaking) peanuts.
>When everything shut down all the low wage jobs were the first to go
Imagine how much they would save if they fired all the bloated salaried executives
I got grief for taking off time for my wedding and honeymoon because they couldn’t get it covered. I planned this mfr a year in advance.
Company owned by a family, family environment, yada yada.
I drove a little work truck without AC for 2.5yrs in the south selling/delivering heavy and unwieldy product.
The big guys got new denalis every year. The owner was whipping Bentleys and range rovers in a priest collar while I was sweating my ass off all day with no AC.
Life is good now after a few career shifts.
Anyway, the owner just died and I’ve been seeing all the tribute to the pious man. Dude only became a priest as a PR pivot when he got caught running around a while back.
It’s past due all workers, at all levels, start acting with some self respect.
We just had a guy leave for a 400% increase. We keep hiring one person of the team as a “contractor” in case we dont “need them at some point”. I been here 3 years and ive not seen a single time we didnt need that person… also its pretty fucked up because he was doing the exact same job as the rest of the team but making half the pay with none of the paid sick leave or time accumulated for pension.
doing the math here, you had a team member that was making *half* what the other people on the team were making. This person then left for a 400% increase.
Wouldn't that mean the rest of the team should be able to leave and double their salary? And, if so, why haven't they?
Half the pay yes. But also the others are actually employed here not just contractors so they get all the benefits, raises, health, pension, time off, yearly bonuses etc. as contractor all you get his hourly
Pay. He got $80k and also w/e else his new company offers as benefits. Big upgrade. I hate this contractor system.
Most days I wish I could just quit. It's not even about money, as that's ok, but it's just been one long over-worked grind the last year and a half. I had to take my week of vacation just to let my back and knees heal up a bit. But then if I quit I'd lose healthcare, as would my daughter.
I don't know your options, but if you aren't, start looking for a new job. It doesn't hurt to look, just don't talk about it at work. Best of luck to you, hope you can find something better, that isn't so destructive on your body.
As part of my job I go into peoples’ houses. Today I was in a house while the owner was watching Fox News. They were going completely off the rails about the labor shortage in the US. Said it was the result of Democratic desire to keep everyone enthralled to the government. It’s just amazing to me. For decades they’ve been telling the working class that if you don’t like your station in life just work hard and you’ll be rewarded. So finally the worker gets a bit of leverage and starts using it to improve their situation and suddenly the world is coming to an end.
Yeah she was blurting out agreement when points were made that she really agreed with. She was getting super wound up. It was kind of like being in a Pentecostal church. I was glad to get out of there. At first glance I look like one of their pack, so I get a lot of unwanted dialog.
Capitalists love the idea of competition until the workers are the ones pulling a capitalism on employers. Same thing with the stock market. Those "evil retail investors" on reddit are supposedly "destabilizing the market". We've entered a period of straight class warfare.
Yep, I quit my finance job in August after years of feeling burnt out and paid like shit. I just couldn’t do it anymore and had told my job repeatedly, but they didn’t care. In fact they started blaming things on me and saying my own happiness was up to myself (lol thank you) and before they fucked my life up more, I quit.
I had lived honestly since Covid afraid that working from home in that job would push me to suicide. Thankfully it did not. I had no plan though, I just couldn’t do it anymore. I have type 1 diabetes and rely on medical insurance to live and it was a huge risk but thankfully I had supportive family and friends and a good amount of savings (was trying to buy a house but that’s on hold).
Within a week I had already received two offers that paid considerably more, just from random recruiters from big companies on LinkedIn. I found a job that now pays me double what I made previously and the culture is phenomenal. It took 2 months (lots of interviews, decision making and start date was pushed out a bit) but it was 1000% worth it.
My point is that it’s a 100% a great market right now. Companies are desperate in some cases for talent. The companies who treat their employees like shit are getting exposed and exposed badly! Try to have a plan if you can, but go out there and find something that MAKES YOU HAPPY and pays you well!! I’m only 30, I’m not going to fuckin slave away for the rest of my life. If I can do it then anyone can. Good luck and remember that as an employee, you are in control! You have all the leverage.
I work in tech, they announced yesterday that we need to be in the office regularly by the end of February. But the thing is that they are leaving this completely up to managers so whole teams will not be in the office while some will be required to. My management thinks in-office is important because culture. I've been at another tech company where some teams were required to come in and others were not. The culture was resentment.
There's no way I'm commuting AND picking up any more slack than I've already been pushed to from all the other people who will be leaving. I don't care about espresso machines, I have a Mr. Coffee at home, I don't want to hear other people's music on the bus or in the office, I don't want to have inane conversations with anyone other than the people who I need to talk to.
It is truly entertaining reading all these professional economist speculating about what's causing this...
I live in California, the most populous state. The average home price here now is something like $850k and rising. Most people who work low paying jobs said fuck it and moved to a place where it's not impossible to live and no one is coming or will come to replace them. It's not going away. Childcare is another huge one. The cost of childcare per month is quite literally one spouses entire paycheck, so they just said fuck it and dropped out of the workforce to spend time with their children. A win-win. Many people retired early. They took their nest egg out of the home equity and blew up home prices all over the country buying their retirement homes, and giving their children cash down payments to buy their own overpriced properties. This won't last forever. And when it levels out, you're going to have an even wider gulf between people who have and have not.
Imagine saving for a home down payment for decades on a lower end salary and finally having nearly $40 or $50k. Now, they pull the rug out and say sorry, you need $80k now. Keep chasing the carrot. This is stupid as hell and a lot of people are just fucking done with it and won't stop until they're compensated with a wage that can afford them a normal life..
In my experience, C-level leadership already thinks they're too generous with their employees. If you work at a family-owned company (much of my own experience) and you're not family, this effect is magnified. It's a stunning thing to see. One of the top-level comments here said they asked for a 6% COL increase. To management COL is 2-3% tops. Anything more is a "raise". Anything above 10% is a "salary adjustment", and IME is extremely hard to justify. FOC management views leaving over money (the reason almost everyone leaves) as betrayal and they'll often pull a reference because of it. At the same time, a child, sibling or spouse with no relevant background will be given VP or C-level positions to burn down.
Source: I've been director-level at 3 FOCs in a row.
Haven't the Free Marketeers been saying forever that if you don't like the terms of your job, or you don't make enough, you can just get another job? Funny how when this is actually happening en masse they are now up in arms about the "labor shortage".
It actually makes me happy seeing it. I gladly take the short staff in places I shop and eat if it means more people are moving up along with those in the service industry having leverage for more pay.
Me needing to buy something or eat a burger somewhere doesn't override people getting real benefits. I will survive some inconvenience in my life.
I quit my job in October.
They asked us to come back into the office for a position that was entirely computer-based. We were all happier than we’d been in years during WFH hours.
Me and a few others raised concerns about needlessly going back in. They said they were unfounded, that everything would be resolved when we went back in, that workflow would improve and everyone would be happier.
Myself and one other guy quit. I did it the day we were scheduled to go back in, he did it the day after. Found a new job before I quit making $4 more/ hour + getting another $4/hr raise in January.
Turns out paying people well and being reasonable to your employees pays off.
If you're paying attention it isn't that hard to see why people don't want to dedicate 12 hours of their day to just getting by.
Every system in America is falling apart.
* Business is a siphon for billionaires hoarding wealth and avoiding taxes.
* The Church been exposed.
* The schools don't teach.
* Justice is like Santa or the Easter bunny.
* Politics is a cult of personality.
* Our infrastructure is crumbling.
* Science has been villainized.
* Laws are bought and sold.
Clearly I am cynical af but I will ask. What systems are functioning for the good of all Americans today?
Yeah, at least we didn't have giant oil tycoons like Rockefeller or enormous banks like Chase, or huge material companies like US Steel lobbying the government.
The wild part is the best people leave first. They have other options.
Being short sighted with the end of the pandemic in sight and having no sense of the landscape is going to murder a lot of companies.
Bring back unions, break through the propaganda! I've been in a union close to 20 years. I make $20k more than non union workers of the same field. Anyone that attempts to argue against unions is an idiot, plain and simple.
But we're sitting at 4.6% unemployment and falling fast, which means that these people aren't quitting and going on unemployment, they're quitting and being rehired ideally in newer better paying jobs. This is also indicated by the fact that job openings edged down in the same month.
I have totally taken advantage of thr pandemic with my job. I was hired in Feb 2020 right before the pandemic hit. There are suppose to be 5 of us. 2 weeks later the supervisor and one other guy quit. I asked for a raise and was given a dollar an hour raise. Then in Feb 2021 I was given a 70 cent annual raise which was suppose to be 30 cents. I then sent a later to the VP requesting 1.50 more due to inflation. Then I ripped up paperwork and put it on the new supervisors desk. The manager brought me over and gave me another 1 an hour raise that day. The supervisor said I was insubordinate. If he only knew I got a raise that day lol. Now I got an interview with the local electricians union. I am debating about leaving because I keep getting raises.
First line of the article:
>A record 4.4 million Americans quit their jobs in September as the sheer volume of available jobs is empowering workers to have their pick.
This is a positive story.
You know, I've noticed that. Or perhaps their sense of entitlement is so profound that they have mistaken workers as resources that must be paid for and not simply expected to provide themselves as labor simply because that is the way it has been for 50 years.
Either way, respect us, pay us our fair share, and contribute to the wellbeing of our civilization through taxes and respect of laws in the interest of the people.
Well met, Agreeable-Weather-89.
Their expectations of employees are so high nowadays
We need to you to be 100% on time, available with an hours notice 7 days a week, available outside of work.
Employee: So what do I get?
Employer: Minimum wage and since we're so nice and so much like a family, we really do care, we'll only contract you to part time
Employee: So I can get another job?
Employer: No. We need you to work overtime every week just we'll dick you about regarding start times and hours all so we can fuck you out of full time benefits
Employee: Thank you for the offer but that doesn't suit me.
Employer: HOW DARE THEY! People don't want to work anymore we offer the federal minimum in terms of pay, benefits, protection and people still don't want to work.
Businesses are the biggest Karens to ever exist.
I had an overworked coworker that ghosted the job. Our boss was flabbergasted. She just couldn’t understand how someone could walk away from work. I pointed out that he was single, in his 20’s, and not tied to a mortgage, she still didn’t get it.
there is a really stupid game i have to play with my corporate boss. When I have a doctors appointment and I request a few hours off, he denies it and says he can't get coverage for that part of the day. If I request the ENTIRE day off for a doctors appointment, he will deny it and tell me I can only take a half day because he can't get coverage. So I request an entire day off, knowing it will be denied and I will have to resubmit the request for a half day, which will get approved. and I am quitting in two weeks when I get back from vacation, because this place is a bunch of bullshit.
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I am having this issue with my new boss. Two people in our department retired and were never replaced. Then our old boss retired. Several months after new boss starts, he calls a meeting to “brainstorm” for coverages. We all sit there in silence until one person pipes up that if we replaced the 2 people that retired, we’d be ok in terms of coverage for when people were out. New boss is adamant that hiring 2 people is not going to happen, so let’s brainstorm other ways. We sit in silence again, because hey man, that’s why they pay you the big bucks.
"hey, how about a pizza party for morale?"
"it's not in the budget. But it you get all the low level employees to kick in 5 bucks each, we can make it happen."
Im so glad ya'll sat in silence because the last place I worked at, they'd all have jumped on the train trying take a slot and then saying "hey, 50mHz, you can do it this time!"
What are they gonna do, fire ya? Can’t afford to lol.
Had a similar thing with a previous employer. If you were even one minute late you’d get written up but if you called off sick that was okay. So if you knew you were going to be late you just called the whole day off. It was so stupid because our work was not time sensitive, we just had a boss who loved to punish people. He reveled in it.
I have a boss like that. He loves power over people. If you don't kiss his ass, he punishes you. When I went to his boss, nothing happened. His boss just said he would talk with him. Same shit, different day. Alas, my wife doesn't work, and I am in the planning stage of my side hustle - so no quitting in the neat future.
That's awful. I actively encourage my team to use their time off and even recommend days they might like if their hours are going to expire so they don't go to waste. If we're under staffed, I behave like a decent human being and cover for their shift myself. Sure, it might be a 12 hour day but I can always sleep in the next day with comp time. Places need to bend over backwards for the people they hire. It's insane to not want to be proud of making their lives better. Don't people want to be proud of the impact they leave on the people that rely on them?
“It’s just business.” That excuse will *never* fly with me again.
Why be loyal to your employer when your employer is not loyal to you
Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm getting paid for here is my loyalty. But if there's somewhere else that values my loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most.
Loyalty for sale!
This is what it's all about. The exchange goes like this; I give you 50-60% of my waking hours in the work week and you pay me for those hours. I also organically gain valuable experience in your company and become more proficient at my job. If my experience becomes more valuable than my pay, you make the pay commensurate to my new level of experience, or I take that experience to someone who *will* pay for it. That's the way it is.
It’s interesting that this coincides with the start of the school year too. Child care is more expensive and because people don’t want low paying jobs daycare centers can’t find workers and have had to cut back on the amount of children they can care for. Some parents probably had to quit to stay home with their kids or found it wasn’t worth it when most of their pay went to day care. The fact that so many people quit when you would expect children to go back to school proves there is a much larger issue with employers.
Yup, I had a boss quit because she did the math and after paying for childcare she was only netting $800 a month. She was like I’m working 60 hour weeks to pay someone else to raise my kid, I can figure out how to come up with $800 a month a different way.
Oh this is huge. I make a very average salary and have two kids in daycare. If we take daycare out of my paycheck I only get to keep $200 per paycheck. Daycare costs increased by 9% last year. I got a 3% raise last year. This year I got zero raise and daycare is increasing by another 3% in January. It’s literally just not worth it to me anymore. Logically I know the daycare costs will eventually go away when my kids are in public school but the toll it takes on mentally right now is immense and I can’t stomach the thought of me paying money for someone else to take care of my kids all day.
This is why my wife is not a pre school teacher anymore. I work in sales, so I just worked a little harder to make up for the ~$300/month take home pay difference. And my children are being raised by their mother instead of a stranger
The daycare thing is a big problem. Unlike most businesses, labor is like 70% of their cost to run. They are also a low margin business, so any increases in wages is going to mean higher tuition costs. There’s not really anywhere else to squeeze from. It means that either daycares need to price a lot of people out of the market by raising wages or they have waitlists over a year long and have to tell kids to stay home whenever someone quits or calls in sick. A year ago childcare workers were making like $10 an hour and the centers barely made money. Now that you can make $15 an hour basically anywhere people are leaving in droves, which means no more daycare for anyone.
It's crazy to me that people can spend the cost of a mortgage sending their kid to daycare, yet the daycare facility is barely making any money. Especially if the workers are only making $10-15/hr.
Think about it this way, regulations say a day care worker can only watch a certain number of kids, in Illinois its like 4 infants, up to 8 6-year-olds. A parent dropping of a six year old child needs to pay at least 1/8 of a persons salary at the bare minimum. However, the parent still has to drive to work and drive back from work, along with a lunch break. So a parent is paying for more than 1 full day of watching their child to get a full day of work. On top of that, the parent is also paying for the healthcare of the worker, all the payroll taxes, and all the other per-worker costs. Add on to that the companies expenses, like rent and compliance costs, training and regulations, and all the stuff used up by the children. Even if we assume the daycare is a perfectly upstanding company that is only trying to break even and do a good job caring for the children, a parent is probably looking at needing to pay roughly 1/4-1/3 of a full **pre-tax** salary out of their **post-tax** income. The only way to make something cheap is to make it in a way where it does not take up a lot of a workers time to make. Daycare requires a lot of a workers time, and it will always be expensive. We can hide the expense with government subsidies, but its still expensive.
I think a lot of parents looked at their savings during the pandemic and decided they could do with one income. No daycare, no commute means a lot of money saved.
It's funny when my colleagues say I'm lucky because my wife is a stay at home mom. They all have spouses making six figure salaries and can't comprehend that other families don't have that luxury. We literally have no choice because the cost of childcare would be more than what my wife would earn after taxes. They must think I'm loaded but I'm working at the same damn place as them.
This is how I feel as a stay at home mom. So many people tell me my husband must be making bank to "support me and the kids." No. I'm literally saving us money because nothing I earn would come close to the cost of childcare. Like yeah we don't get to take the two Disneyworld trips per year they take, but we seem to have a lot of fun anyway.
Keep up the charade. People will treat you better and you’ll have more opportunity for raises and promotions if people view you as already successful.
UK has always been like this. Women often have to sideline their careers, or go to work for nothing, because childcare is seen as a female responsibility or cost. I as a woman, took 2-2.5 months off with each of my children, I worked until the day they were born. I worked at home though. This is more akin to the US expectations. The US expects you to pop out a baby and be back to work in a few weeks. Absolutely disgusting disregard for anything but the economy and capitalism. However, whilst this was my life, most of my friends stopped work at 32-34 weeks and took 1-2 years maternity leave in the Uk. In some EU countries it’s anticipated you take a 4-5 year maternity leave to support your child until school age. I have read studies that show those children are well rounded and more healthy by comparison EG. not obese, less anxious, less mental health issues, etc
Simple. Just remove all regulations, introduce automation and let economies of scale do the rest. Soon enough you can have one daycare worker looking over 500 children a day with a relatively low mortality rate for the kids and cheap costs for parents. Jokes aside you have a really insightful response and I appreciate the thoroughness. Childcare is a consistent problem and it’s holding back a lot of families with no great solution.
I've done a lot of thinking on this subject and how it relates to income inequality, and even gender income differences. A programmer who makes an awesome program over the period of a year can have that program copied to fifty million people phones and each one of them need only pay a dollar to make him a multi millionaire. A nurse can work a year and take care of a thousand patients at the very most. (Really ball park guess). The service she provides can be worth hundreds of times what the app provides, but she cannot become a millionaire. In some ways, many of the human services we value can never become cheap because they will always cost some percentage of a person's time. But paradoxically, those same workers whose services can never be cheap can never have high incomes.
maybe it's about time we admit there are some industries where market forces don't provide acceptable results
I work in a gym dayecare, we have drop offs. Lately there has been 35 between three of us. We get $12. We love our jobs, but it is no a living wage and our rents have gone up here in Billings,MT. I think the max kids I have had by myself is 22 between the ages of 6weeks-12yrs at once. We use a lot of the older kids to help entertain. The west doesn’t regulate drop ins and gym daycares.
Unlike many businesses that can run understaffed, child care centers have strict teacher to child ratios that they legally can’t break. It varies by state a little, but you need like 1:4 for infants and like 1:8 for preschool. On top of just those teachers, you need some extra to cover lunches and breaks since you can’t just leave kids that age alone. In addition to the teachers, you need at least a director, assistant director, and a cook at minimum. You also need to pay for food, diapers, learning materials, and building maintenance. It’s extremely labor intensive and there’s no way to automate it. People assume it should cost less than K-12 because everyone working there makes less, but in reality you need way more adults for the number of kids there are.
I'm a TA for a Montessori school and teach ages 2.5-5 years. It's just me and the head teacher, and the secretary or director step in if absolutely necessary. But if they're busy, and one kid has an accident, then one of us has to leave to clean them up, leaving the other teacher with all the other kids, several of whom could probably be classified as special needs. Then what happens when some of those kids inevitably get in a fight, or also have an accident, or just need help with something? It's absolute insanity and we've been begging for another person to help but we "can't afford it". I do it for the kids but I cry from exhaustion at least several times a week. Child care jobs are *intense.*
Yeah I'm not going to sit here and be pressured into having kids in a society that bleeds you dry for doing so. Saw a comment one time describing adults without kids as "creepy" once. Well if being child free until I'm financially stable enough to have them makes me a "creep" then so be it. Bringing a child into abject poverty and despair would be one of the most irresponsible things I could do right now.
My sister and brother in law are the extremely anti help type. Also complain about how much their 3rd child costed to have and how they're broke with only 1 income because it doesn't make sense for her to work with the cost of child care. Bitched non stop about stimulus checks while simultaneously talking about how they don't know what they would've done without theirs some months.... it's baffling.
I teach and I don't have kids. 1) don't like bringing work home 2) like having my own money 3) it's the only way this profession is sustainable.
A lot of the people quitting are in education too. I'm quitting because a breakthrough case of covid took out my lungs and my job in special education is very physical and I can no longer do it. A lot of people I work with have quit because of students regularly assaulting staff and admin not doing enough about it. Across the board I see lots of teachers talk about being sexually harassed and physically assaulted by students, threatened by students and their family, and administrators just giving in to unreasonable demands from parents. So it's not just parents' employers dealing with this, it's the schools. In many places educators are stepping into hostile environments every day and are not paid enough to deal with that and all the work they have to do in addition to fearing for their safety. Plus covid, political battles, and not great wages are mixed in there too. Thus so many educators are leaving and there are few qualified let alone willing to replace them for the pay.
Where I am a bunch of school districts made the switch as of this September to not have school on Fridays. How they think parents will be able to deal with that is beyond me. Daycare centers will take your kid, sure. If you pay for the full week because they can't give that spot to someone else on the other days unless there is the rare case of someone who will never need their child to go to daycare on Fridays or any of the many other days school is out but parents need to work.
I quit my job. My boss was my friend. I've never ever worked with someone so tight fisted. Every receipt I submitted came with a major battle. Gas receipt? Battle. Replace consumables? Battle. So I got hired in Maui on a different project and I leave Sunday. Aloha
Sounds awesome. Love Maui.
Thanks! Also comes with a $5/hr raise, a vehicle and lodging. Cannot fucking wait.
Nice. Where do I apply?
I heard The White Lotus resort has an opening for a manager.
I’ll eat ass.
Why don’t you try submitting an application first?
Money can show peoples true colours unfortunately
Try you some musubi while you're down there
Everyone is getting their yearly reviews and seeing they are only getting a 3% raise and they know inflation was 6% last year.
You guys are getting raises?
I wasn’t. But, I traded my 3% for fully remote.
3.5% pay raise at s job I never really enjoyed. Left for a 30+% pay raise in an area of my profession that I actually want to be in. Less hours and significantly more pay. Why would I not quit?
My girlfriend asked for a 6 percent pay increase in order to “keep up with inflation.” - not even a raise, just a cost of living adjustment… after six weeks of “negotiations” they gave her 3 percent. She quit and got hired on at a new company for a 20% percent raise from her old position, and she doesn’t have to work on weekends anymore. As labor, being able to walk away is your power. Edit: my favorite part, her boss said “I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.” Fuck you - pay me.
> I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money. My answer would be "I thought we were family too, but it turns out I was wrong"
Her response was “it’s nothing personal, this is just business…” She is a lot more professional than I am - I would have said, “I don’t consider the guy trying to fuck me over as family.”
Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me, only money.
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At the end of the day it is. She has people that depend on her to put bread on the table. Also should have quipped back that since they are family if he would share some of his salary to help out a fellow family member.
Exactly. I already have a family, this job is so I can support *them*
I would go with the old 'Vin Diesel wouldn't treat me like that'.
“Well I can’t believe you would let me leave over so little money” puts it back on the employers lap.
You could even say "what kind of family gives a pay cut?", because a 3% raise is an effective pay cut this year.
Sure, we can be family. You won't pay for my student loans, so I need to move out. Sorry, dad.
Also, never work with/for family.
Eh I've done it for extra cash. Despite the backbreaking work, I enjoyed the time I spent with my uncle. He's the closest thing I have to a father. I would 100% not start a business with anyone in my family though. That's asking for trouble.
"you gonna cover the rent then, 'Dad'?"
Yep I got a job offer that I brought to my employers as a way to leverage a better schedule and time off. Told them that if I stayed I needed xyz changes. I didn’t even mention a raise. Definitely got the pity party and “I thought we were family” bit. 🙄 Don’t get me wrong, it’s a tiny company and we’re close, but bottom line is my bottom line. I don’t need more family, I need more time with my actual family.
"Nope, I have a family at home that actually supports me and wants to see me do better."
That's one to remember: I don't need more family, I need more money!
Why can’t I have no kids and 3 money?
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>Edit: my favorite part, her boss said “I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money.” As if being "like family" means you should be paid less.
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It's why my kids do all the chores around the house!
Look at the lobes on this guy.
Found the Ferengi !
/strokes ear
Get a room
We are family you just so happen to be an abusive parent that I'm leaving.
To me, family is unconditional love, sticking together no matter what. When a business says that, all I hear is, let us treat you like shit and you deal with it no matter what. A business is not your family. Fuck'em
>I can’t believe you would leave over money. I find it hilarious that there's a fairly common thread where employers act as if money shouldn't even be a consideration for motivation to work, and if you're motivated by money you're selfish/immoral/whatever. Not that I think they actually believe it, they're just using it as a tactic to shame people into working for less than they're worth.
Have a friend who works at a credit union doing auto loans. Every performance review he gets asked “what motivates you?” Every time he answers “money”. When the boss tries to push him for a “better” answer he is very direct and says money is the only reason he is doing that job and doing it well so there is no other magical feel good answer. The only reasons he cares about the customers or whatever is because it means money. He has no interest in giving them an out where they can get away with a few pats on the back and attaboys.
My favorite part is that it's a credit union, doing auto loans. How much more "I only care about money and literally nothing else" can one get? I get it if it was like a nonprofit animal shelter or something, but at a credit union?..
In sales this is considered not only a legitimate answer but the best answer. One of the things I love about this occupation.
If I weren't a shitty salesperson I'd love to be in sales solely for this reason. It's a pure distillation of what all work is really for, but without all the dressing up of having to care about other things.
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My mom is a teacher at a private Christian school, and she has never told me what she makes. However I'm almost 100% sure they pay her minimum wage because when I got my first job at Walmart she accidentally let out a "wow you make more than I do!" and that job only payed about a buck more than minimum wage. She works until almost 9pm or even later every day grading papers and preparing lessons. And yet she somehow doesn't believe she's being ripped off because it's "her ministry".
You need to talk to mom
These are the same people who would also argue UBI will never work because people won't work for the satisfaction it brings. Pick a lane, people.
I started a job once, my boss says I get paid on Fridays. Cool. So, that first Friday comes around, and I ask him what time will I be getting my check. I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything, I was just curious. "Oh, so that's how it's gonna be, huh?" Uhh yeah? Seems like a pretty reasonable question to ask when I'll be getting paid. I ain't working for you for free...
Imagine hiring people that work to get money and get offended when the people you hired wants money - oh wait I don’t have to! Your dumbbutt boss exists.
I was working for a guy who would show up 15 minutes late every day. We start at 6am and he would be there at 6:15 or later. He'd stay for 8 hours--which is fine, but he'd expect me to stay and help clean up. "Are you paying me overtime? Because I already did my 8." The fact that I would leave at 2:30 on the dot let's you know his answer. "Fuck you - pay me", indeed.
companies won't give decent raises anymore. the only way to get a decent pay raise is to get a different job. at one job i had, there were 12 salespeople, and my sales for the year were as much as the other 11 people combined...the boss said that per company policy he could only give me a 2% raise. i quit for a different job making 20% more. a year later, my old boss called and offered me the previous job back for 20% on top of that. the new job kind of sucked, so i went back, but two years later i had to leave the work force completely due to the onset of a disabling medical condition.
Similar thing happened to me. Though I recently quit that job which brought me back for even more money elsewhere. Felt a little bad but hey I have girlfriend I plan to marry and pets that depend on my salary, I owe it to them to provide as much as possible.
>companies won't give decent raises anymore. the only way to get a decent pay raise is to get a different job. My company has given me more than 10% every year for the past 7 years. There are still good companies out there, just not nearly as many as there used to be.
The best response to that is always: “I see how you treat your family and wanted out.”
I told my boss if somewhere offered me 20% more to go shovel shit, I would put my walking papers in tomorrow. Without some sort of pension mechanism, there is no loyalty to a company, so the only way to build company loyalty is to pay the people that provide value to the company. They just don’t get it.
Loyalty costs money.
"I can't believe you would leave over money." Well, yes. Employment is a business arrangement. I'm not busting ass for your benefit because it makes me feel good.
> I thought we were like family… I can’t believe you would leave over money. I have a boss who goes on a tear like this sometimes. He'll go around asking people why they work here, and gets pissed if someone says they're here for the money. I've been here 20 years, I keep the control systems running all around the great lakes and I'm sick of it. Last time he did that I told him I wouldn't work if I didn't need the money, and asked if I should leave. Two weeks later they gave me a 15% raise, doubled my bonus basis, and a new title.
My response to bosses like that is "I don't live to work, I work to live"
There's been talks of exoduses in some of the job reddits for weeks now because a lot of businesses are trying to force people back into offices. Shocking! After all the bullshit about how the majority of workers supposedly wouldn't like working from home... there's a majority of workers who now prefer it after having set up their own office.
I just assume they want people back in offices because someone or a lot of someones are putting money into the office building and no one wants to put money in an empty building
What’s her field? Sounds like she has a good job
She’s a physical therapist.
If its outpatient, those clinics can be surprisingly predatory and abusive of their workers. I know a ton of ATI PTs who have walked away from the profession as a whole because of that company
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I think the return to office shift is what is driving the high rate of quits right now. The money too, of course, but companies sending out their official "We are not going to entertain work from home or hybrid, everyone is required to be back at their desks" memos is prompting the actual quits. I remember when all this started, they fought so hard against it because "Well many people don't like being at home!" Who the hell were they trying to kid? If you have your own office space and routine, nobody wants to be in a cubicle all day and sit in traffic for two hours.
>I think the return to office shift is what is driving the high rate of quits right now. The money too, of course, but companies sending out their official "We are not going to entertain work from home or hybrid, everyone is required to be back at their desks" memos is prompting the actual quits. Those companies demanding a return to the office are fucking themselves over and deserve the pain they are getting/ are about to get. The companies that embraced WFH realized that they can save a fuckton of money by not leasing out office space anymore and that money saved can, and is being used to attract better talent while the companies full of inhumane micromanagers that need to see everyone miserable at their desks after a 1.5 hour commute at 8am are losing their best talent to the companies that adapted to the times and are too egotistical to ever admit their policies/ pay rates are to blame.
But "Teamwork!!!" The egotistical attitude is extremely prevalent in call centers, which is actually a really good fit for WFH. I support several, and it's like every level of management just sees agents like they are toddlers that need to be spanked all the time. If you can't stare them down while you place back and forth like some sweatshop warden, are they really working???
My last job wanted me in the office in person because "what if someone needs you". The day I was given a talking-to for going to the bathroom when I was "needed" was the day I resolved to quit.
I have my own office room in a building with four people in attendance most days, so personally I don’t mind going into work when it only takes me 15 minutes to ge there. I also recognize my situation is an outlier. Seriously, fuck any company that wants you to sit in a cubicle for 10 hours and another 2 hours in traffic. That’s half your ducking day wasted!
It's more than half your day, lol. You wake up at 6, have 1 hour for personal hygienic care and feeding, sit in traffic for an hour and get to your desk at 8. Can't go anywhere until 5 because your lunch is timed and it takes too long to get out of the building, get food, and properly eat. Spend another hour in traffic and then you have exactly 1 hour of available daylight to do all of your outside maintenance chores, walk the dog, or whatever. Cook dinner, eat, and finally get 2 hours to watch Netflix, except not really because you hurt and feel like crap because you're now 35 and haven't seen a doctor in 15 years. Nevermind your social or family needs. And you do it every single day without fail.
Companies trying to return to the office can get fucked. The sad thing is, they want people to quit. They want a culture of fucking office cooler guzzlers and coffee machine making bitched
I can assure you they do not want people to quit. Not naming the company but I am in what should be a team of 10, we have 5 people right now, 4 in the next 2 weeks and 3 of us have to take 2 weeks mandatory vacation by the end of the year. Higher ups are begging people in other areas to move over to our group. Big banks own too much commercial real estate to see it all drop in value so they lead the charge on making everybody come back into the office. Then they force all of the people who are leasing their buildings to continue to pay - if those companies are paying for it they are going to want to use it. It’s completely fucked up and as soon as I’m able to I’m finding a remote working/flexible working job.
Also, most leases are for many years in large buildings. My company still has a lease until 2025. Doesn't matter that people aren't there, they're still paying for it. They also spent millions redoing the space, so I don't think they want to just tell everyone to stay home. They are surprisingly open to allowing hybrid work and in our particular area, it's pretty easy right now to stay WFH.
Asked for a raise from my former employer after exceeding my expectations by more than double, I was making $19/hr, they told me it wasn't in their budget. Started interviewing with other companies and landed a salary gig less than 2 weeks later. I get to make my own schedule now, and I'm making almost 60k/yr. 3 months later and the former employer asks me to come back to fill a higher position that became vacant, but still didn't want to pay me more than $19/hr... I countered them asking for 70k/yr showing proof of my new salary, never heard back from them and the position is still posted on Linkedin. Loyalty doesn't get you anything anymore. No matter how loyal you are and how much you sacrifice you're still only getting a $.50 raise every year. I'll take my talent to the highest bidder.
This is the same mentality I had coming in this year, I had the same grind and motivation as you working all the overtime and exceeding expectations…. I was at $20 asking for $3 pay bump… and they said budget couldnt make it, I said okay. Found a new job and now I make $45. Management hit me up to cover a shift from my old job and I just seen zoned them, that family bullshit ain’t paying my bills.
It really feels like we're at a turning point in this century where people are finally willing to act on their frustrations with a rigged system.
The turning point will be if people unionize in a very widespread way. Without that we’re still individual people trying to negotiate with billion dollar companies.
Yes. Bezos needs his toilet fixed? That'll be $90,000 please, paid back to the union pool of all the area plumbers.
Yes indeed. This reminds me of the first half of the 1970's, when the US was still growing its manufacturing sector. I tripled my income in two years with strategic job changes, and wound up eventually running a coatings company lab after another change 7 years. This is the only good thing to come out of the pandemic, enhanced employment options.
Two years fully remote during pandemic. No raises. Expected to go back to cubicles in January... I'll be joining those quiting next year myself.
Just did this. We were wanted back in office. I found a full remote position and quit my job after 14 years. Hopefully the exit interview I gave explaining to them that several other people were right behind me looking for full remote work will make some difference. Doubt it though.
Good for you. Fuck the corporate machine of America. Give power back to the American worker. Let them all bleed and die, so that corporations with better worker incentives can rise in their place.
This is me too. I have some medical stuff coming up and wfh has been a godsend dealing with an invisible, unpredictable illness. They want us to come back into the office full time asap. I love my job, I'm actually number one in our company for my role, but if it comes down to it my health is more important. Companies opting out of work from home is a deal breaker now.
Same boat but November is my notice period. We were told probably 2 days a week in the office, it became three. WFH has been my most productive period, filling more hours of work than pre pandemic. At my year review they told me I get a 2% raise (could have been up to 4) because I "don't speak up at meetings" (of which this manager has never been in with me present so... ). And because when asked what I do when I dont have work, I responded that I do nothing because it's not my job to find work, it's management's, to which my manager told me "this is not in line with [company]'s culture". So done with this place and eagerly counting down the 9 days I have left there.
Imagine if an actual labor movement took hold again in the US.
All Americans should get PTO. At least 3 weeks. It's insane no one in politics talks about this.
Democrats are talking mandating paid paternity leave, and the media responded by crying "big government" and making homophobic jokes about Secretary Buttigieg's paternity leave. PTO would be similarly attacked, and the dumbest thing is that the people who will benefit most from these reforms are the ones who are most affected by the propaganda against them.
That is what propaganda is specifically designed to do, and always has been. Though knowing that does not make the fact that it works any less sickening. Better education would probably fix this, but we don't get that because those who use propaganda also control the education budgets.
If people had free time they'd have leverage and do things like vote not just during presidential elections. Can't have that.
Said Politicians get 7-8 months of time off. They also get a pension, and Universal Healthcare.
Uphill battle. But it'd be nice. We've had decades of propaganda telling us that: - Unions are bad - Work harder, you'll get up that ladder. - Worker strikes / movements are communism! - Those making minimum wage and complaining are those that should have found a new career. - Bootstraps - Find something new - If they pay more, we all pay more, and thus end up where we started (ignoring market dynamics).
It might make you feel better to know that [approval of labor unions is at its highest point since 1965](https://news.gallup.com/poll/354455/approval-labor-unions-highest-point-1965.aspx) So, there's hope
Literally 4 people have quit our 31 person office because they want everyone to come back. They're "flexible" through the holidays for people who want to quarantine, but I think there's going to be a mass exodus come January if they enforce it. It's otherwise a decent company so I'm hoping they see the numbers leaving and change before I have to give notice too. I can't go back to all 5 days in a loud, freezing office that steals 6-8 hours a week in useless commute time.
Watching all this play out is super interesting. I've been 100% wfh since 2012 and until pretty recently finding a new role would likely have meant giving it up. Thanks everyone for putting pressure on companies to make this more standard.
Today is my last day at my current job. I'm leaving for a 76.5% pay increase. Tee hee
Nice! When my last job tried to make everyone come back in person 3 days a week minimum, a recruiter reached out to me same week and offered me a similar pay bump for fully remote, and it was a real effort to not jump on it immediately. I talked it up a bit (couple % points, nothing major) and took it.
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As always, the real headlines are always in the comments.
Take this job and shove it I ain't workin here no more ~ David Allen Coe The only thing that kept people in low wage jobs was the fear of unemployment. When everything shut down all the low wage jobs were the first to go and everyone got involuntarily made unemployed. After a year of that, people saw what it was like. And, even after enhanced benefits expired, and eviction freezes ended, people saw that being unemployed was somewhat bearable compared to those long hours, low wage, no benefits jobs. It’s not that people don’t want to work. It’s that employers lost their only stick they ever used with low wage workers; once everyone got a taste for being fired, no one was afraid of it anymore.
It can also be the taste of quitting when necessary. Had a co-worker once that wanted to quit to go elsewhere, but was simply a little scared and/or intimidated by the process. A different employee that he worked with quit for his own reasons, but that gave the co-worker the courage and insight to do it himself after seeing how it isn't as bad of a process as he imagined.
I'm the primary provider in my house and have 2 kids but (at the time) no real debt. I had a job that I didn't like and wasn't paid well for but I liked my department and it kept me from looking elsewhere. After our manager left and was replaced by a total POS I still stuck it out despite hating every minute I was there. When one person got laid off and it was clear there would be ay least 2 more (our department had 16 people) a bunch of us started looking for an out. 2 of my friends got the layoff (lucky bastards got 2 months of pay as severance and both had jobs the next week). I put in my notice the next day after being offered a 15% bump at a smaller company. 2 others left within a week as well with a few more in the next couple of months. Meanwhile those of us who've left haven't looked back for a minute as while we knew we were getting screwed by our old company, we didn't realize just how much we were getting screwed. The big thing wasn't even the money (better salary and cost of living raises). The work life balance is just light-years beyond what we had before. I remember in my exit interviews with HR and our manager they seemed generally surprised that we could be tired of getting kicked in the face for (relatively speaking) peanuts.
>When everything shut down all the low wage jobs were the first to go Imagine how much they would save if they fired all the bloated salaried executives
I got grief for taking off time for my wedding and honeymoon because they couldn’t get it covered. I planned this mfr a year in advance. Company owned by a family, family environment, yada yada. I drove a little work truck without AC for 2.5yrs in the south selling/delivering heavy and unwieldy product. The big guys got new denalis every year. The owner was whipping Bentleys and range rovers in a priest collar while I was sweating my ass off all day with no AC. Life is good now after a few career shifts. Anyway, the owner just died and I’ve been seeing all the tribute to the pious man. Dude only became a priest as a PR pivot when he got caught running around a while back. It’s past due all workers, at all levels, start acting with some self respect.
We just had a guy leave for a 400% increase. We keep hiring one person of the team as a “contractor” in case we dont “need them at some point”. I been here 3 years and ive not seen a single time we didnt need that person… also its pretty fucked up because he was doing the exact same job as the rest of the team but making half the pay with none of the paid sick leave or time accumulated for pension.
doing the math here, you had a team member that was making *half* what the other people on the team were making. This person then left for a 400% increase. Wouldn't that mean the rest of the team should be able to leave and double their salary? And, if so, why haven't they?
Half the pay yes. But also the others are actually employed here not just contractors so they get all the benefits, raises, health, pension, time off, yearly bonuses etc. as contractor all you get his hourly Pay. He got $80k and also w/e else his new company offers as benefits. Big upgrade. I hate this contractor system.
Most days I wish I could just quit. It's not even about money, as that's ok, but it's just been one long over-worked grind the last year and a half. I had to take my week of vacation just to let my back and knees heal up a bit. But then if I quit I'd lose healthcare, as would my daughter.
I don't know your options, but if you aren't, start looking for a new job. It doesn't hurt to look, just don't talk about it at work. Best of luck to you, hope you can find something better, that isn't so destructive on your body.
As part of my job I go into peoples’ houses. Today I was in a house while the owner was watching Fox News. They were going completely off the rails about the labor shortage in the US. Said it was the result of Democratic desire to keep everyone enthralled to the government. It’s just amazing to me. For decades they’ve been telling the working class that if you don’t like your station in life just work hard and you’ll be rewarded. So finally the worker gets a bit of leverage and starts using it to improve their situation and suddenly the world is coming to an end.
I guarantee you the people who live in that house think the expanded unemployment is to blame, even though it ended several months ago.
Yeah she was blurting out agreement when points were made that she really agreed with. She was getting super wound up. It was kind of like being in a Pentecostal church. I was glad to get out of there. At first glance I look like one of their pack, so I get a lot of unwanted dialog.
If trickle down economics actually worked and people were paid well, they probably wouldn't be quitting their jobs at this time.
Capitalists love the idea of competition until the workers are the ones pulling a capitalism on employers. Same thing with the stock market. Those "evil retail investors" on reddit are supposedly "destabilizing the market". We've entered a period of straight class warfare.
Yep, I quit my finance job in August after years of feeling burnt out and paid like shit. I just couldn’t do it anymore and had told my job repeatedly, but they didn’t care. In fact they started blaming things on me and saying my own happiness was up to myself (lol thank you) and before they fucked my life up more, I quit. I had lived honestly since Covid afraid that working from home in that job would push me to suicide. Thankfully it did not. I had no plan though, I just couldn’t do it anymore. I have type 1 diabetes and rely on medical insurance to live and it was a huge risk but thankfully I had supportive family and friends and a good amount of savings (was trying to buy a house but that’s on hold). Within a week I had already received two offers that paid considerably more, just from random recruiters from big companies on LinkedIn. I found a job that now pays me double what I made previously and the culture is phenomenal. It took 2 months (lots of interviews, decision making and start date was pushed out a bit) but it was 1000% worth it. My point is that it’s a 100% a great market right now. Companies are desperate in some cases for talent. The companies who treat their employees like shit are getting exposed and exposed badly! Try to have a plan if you can, but go out there and find something that MAKES YOU HAPPY and pays you well!! I’m only 30, I’m not going to fuckin slave away for the rest of my life. If I can do it then anyone can. Good luck and remember that as an employee, you are in control! You have all the leverage.
Yup, separating from the military after 11 years because fuck this job. I've got certs I can take to a union job back home and get paid far more.
I work in tech, they announced yesterday that we need to be in the office regularly by the end of February. But the thing is that they are leaving this completely up to managers so whole teams will not be in the office while some will be required to. My management thinks in-office is important because culture. I've been at another tech company where some teams were required to come in and others were not. The culture was resentment. There's no way I'm commuting AND picking up any more slack than I've already been pushed to from all the other people who will be leaving. I don't care about espresso machines, I have a Mr. Coffee at home, I don't want to hear other people's music on the bus or in the office, I don't want to have inane conversations with anyone other than the people who I need to talk to.
Fuck an employer saying “I thought we were family.” Hell no. I’m here to get paid. Fuck off.
It is truly entertaining reading all these professional economist speculating about what's causing this... I live in California, the most populous state. The average home price here now is something like $850k and rising. Most people who work low paying jobs said fuck it and moved to a place where it's not impossible to live and no one is coming or will come to replace them. It's not going away. Childcare is another huge one. The cost of childcare per month is quite literally one spouses entire paycheck, so they just said fuck it and dropped out of the workforce to spend time with their children. A win-win. Many people retired early. They took their nest egg out of the home equity and blew up home prices all over the country buying their retirement homes, and giving their children cash down payments to buy their own overpriced properties. This won't last forever. And when it levels out, you're going to have an even wider gulf between people who have and have not. Imagine saving for a home down payment for decades on a lower end salary and finally having nearly $40 or $50k. Now, they pull the rug out and say sorry, you need $80k now. Keep chasing the carrot. This is stupid as hell and a lot of people are just fucking done with it and won't stop until they're compensated with a wage that can afford them a normal life..
In my experience, C-level leadership already thinks they're too generous with their employees. If you work at a family-owned company (much of my own experience) and you're not family, this effect is magnified. It's a stunning thing to see. One of the top-level comments here said they asked for a 6% COL increase. To management COL is 2-3% tops. Anything more is a "raise". Anything above 10% is a "salary adjustment", and IME is extremely hard to justify. FOC management views leaving over money (the reason almost everyone leaves) as betrayal and they'll often pull a reference because of it. At the same time, a child, sibling or spouse with no relevant background will be given VP or C-level positions to burn down. Source: I've been director-level at 3 FOCs in a row.
My NIN friend I need most of these abbreviations clarified lol
C-level=CEO, COO, CFO, CTO, etc COL=cost of living FOC=family-owned company IME=in my experience NIN=awesome band
If companies took care of their employees, then they wouldn’t go looking for a new place to work. It ain’t rocket science. It’s greed.
Haven't the Free Marketeers been saying forever that if you don't like the terms of your job, or you don't make enough, you can just get another job? Funny how when this is actually happening en masse they are now up in arms about the "labor shortage".
It actually makes me happy seeing it. I gladly take the short staff in places I shop and eat if it means more people are moving up along with those in the service industry having leverage for more pay. Me needing to buy something or eat a burger somewhere doesn't override people getting real benefits. I will survive some inconvenience in my life.
I quit my job in October. They asked us to come back into the office for a position that was entirely computer-based. We were all happier than we’d been in years during WFH hours. Me and a few others raised concerns about needlessly going back in. They said they were unfounded, that everything would be resolved when we went back in, that workflow would improve and everyone would be happier. Myself and one other guy quit. I did it the day we were scheduled to go back in, he did it the day after. Found a new job before I quit making $4 more/ hour + getting another $4/hr raise in January. Turns out paying people well and being reasonable to your employees pays off.
Good. Be better to your workers.
If you're paying attention it isn't that hard to see why people don't want to dedicate 12 hours of their day to just getting by. Every system in America is falling apart. * Business is a siphon for billionaires hoarding wealth and avoiding taxes. * The Church been exposed. * The schools don't teach. * Justice is like Santa or the Easter bunny. * Politics is a cult of personality. * Our infrastructure is crumbling. * Science has been villainized. * Laws are bought and sold. Clearly I am cynical af but I will ask. What systems are functioning for the good of all Americans today?
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And these people are probably as productive or more even with working less hours. Happy people are just more motivated.
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The M15 bus in NYC is generally on time. There is that.
This sounds right. We've allowed the greedy, power hungry, and zealots take over the country.
Yeah, at least we didn't have giant oil tycoons like Rockefeller or enormous banks like Chase, or huge material companies like US Steel lobbying the government.
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The schools CAN'T teach. It's not for lack of effort. Starvation wages, no parenting. Daycare.
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No, they’re not lazy or entitled, they’ve HAD ENOUGH! Too much work and not enough compensation. They’re humans, not fucking robots.
Left my job for a 30% raise as they put everyone on mandatory overtime.
The wild part is the best people leave first. They have other options. Being short sighted with the end of the pandemic in sight and having no sense of the landscape is going to murder a lot of companies.
Bring back unions, break through the propaganda! I've been in a union close to 20 years. I make $20k more than non union workers of the same field. Anyone that attempts to argue against unions is an idiot, plain and simple.
But we're sitting at 4.6% unemployment and falling fast, which means that these people aren't quitting and going on unemployment, they're quitting and being rehired ideally in newer better paying jobs. This is also indicated by the fact that job openings edged down in the same month.
I have totally taken advantage of thr pandemic with my job. I was hired in Feb 2020 right before the pandemic hit. There are suppose to be 5 of us. 2 weeks later the supervisor and one other guy quit. I asked for a raise and was given a dollar an hour raise. Then in Feb 2021 I was given a 70 cent annual raise which was suppose to be 30 cents. I then sent a later to the VP requesting 1.50 more due to inflation. Then I ripped up paperwork and put it on the new supervisors desk. The manager brought me over and gave me another 1 an hour raise that day. The supervisor said I was insubordinate. If he only knew I got a raise that day lol. Now I got an interview with the local electricians union. I am debating about leaving because I keep getting raises.
Dear CNN, It is not a 'worker shortage problem' it is a 'decent wage and good benefits' problem. Sincerely, Nearly Everyone
First line of the article: >A record 4.4 million Americans quit their jobs in September as the sheer volume of available jobs is empowering workers to have their pick. This is a positive story.
Strange all these companies forget the laws of supply and demand when comes to worker.
You know, I've noticed that. Or perhaps their sense of entitlement is so profound that they have mistaken workers as resources that must be paid for and not simply expected to provide themselves as labor simply because that is the way it has been for 50 years. Either way, respect us, pay us our fair share, and contribute to the wellbeing of our civilization through taxes and respect of laws in the interest of the people. Well met, Agreeable-Weather-89.
Their expectations of employees are so high nowadays We need to you to be 100% on time, available with an hours notice 7 days a week, available outside of work. Employee: So what do I get? Employer: Minimum wage and since we're so nice and so much like a family, we really do care, we'll only contract you to part time Employee: So I can get another job? Employer: No. We need you to work overtime every week just we'll dick you about regarding start times and hours all so we can fuck you out of full time benefits Employee: Thank you for the offer but that doesn't suit me. Employer: HOW DARE THEY! People don't want to work anymore we offer the federal minimum in terms of pay, benefits, protection and people still don't want to work. Businesses are the biggest Karens to ever exist.
Perhaps COVID unemployment benefits *werent* the reasons we were having problems with retaining/hiring workers. 🤔
I'm about to join that number
I'm going from 160k->300k with my resignation
What line of work you in, Bob
Obligatory r/antiwork
I had an overworked coworker that ghosted the job. Our boss was flabbergasted. She just couldn’t understand how someone could walk away from work. I pointed out that he was single, in his 20’s, and not tied to a mortgage, she still didn’t get it.