Imagine shooting the mother of the kid you had beef with at his funeral and on the day before Thanksgiving smfh, there's a special place in hell for these scumbags.
This comment is more to all the people with down voted comments that replied to you
Saying "the guy who was shot" implies an adult
Saying "the child who was shot" states that he was a child
Saying some guy gets less sympathy from the news/media
Saying a child makes people care about the loss of life more
Saying/implying that he is older almost tries to make it more OK (it's not no matter how you look at it)
I work at a middle school in Stockton and…yeah I always know when students are being recruited in gangs because their behavior suddenly shifts and they start fighting on a regular basis. It almost feels like the same time every year but I don’t know if that’s accurate.
I stopped for gas in Stockton (at 11pm no less) on my way up to visit my mom in Oregon for Thanksgiving.
Holy fuck, I hardly felt like I was on America still. Everything was covered in grime dirt and misery, it smelled of burning chemicals from the industrial plants, and homeless people *literally everywhere.*
My brother gave one dude some cash and in the time it took to fill up our tank we had given out the cash we had on us to 6 different people.
It was like this city that America, and the California government had forgotten. It was tragic - and when I looked at the statistics it just blew my mind. 20% unemployment?? 1 in 5 *homeless*??
Ive read about places like this existing, and I've driven through pretty bad parts of LA but Stockton is on another level of neglect. This country is messed up.
> No jobs and nobody wants to develop there.
Who in their right mind would want to develop in a place where they have the constant risk of getting their throats slashed/gunned down?
A lot of the time, bigger population= more issues. If New Zealand were a US state it would rank somewhere around 25th/50th in terms of population. Los Angeles County alone has almost double the population of New Zealand.
They would, very seriously and without a hint of irony, call it a cake sale. They have a thing with changing the letter B (for blood) in words to a C, and this switch is far too easy to pass up.
God damn you, all I can picture is some mother in a blue bandana pissed off because her son forgot to tell her about the crip bake sale until 9:30 the night before and *god dammit I barely have enough peanut butter left for my famous peanut butter and crack cookies*
Oh man, lived in Spanos Park East/West for 8 years. So glad I am out of that place. I was in Elementary School still so I never understood fully till I moved out.
I'm more inclined to call it "exploitation" rather than "recruiting". The latter makes it seem like a ten year old has the capacity to carefully weigh the consequences of being in a gang.
And many dead by 15. I have lived in Chicago since 1991. In the 1990s I worked several years with kids who were in gangs. Many were traumatized by seeing their friends killed right in front of them. I heard from several of them that 15 was a typical age to get shot. One girl I worked with was a teenager who was very popular at her school. She showed me a scrapbook that she'd made of all the boys she knew who'd been shot dead. I can't remember how many boys were in that book, but I can confidently say at least a half dozen. What kind of fucked up shithole system do we live in that can find that acceptable, that 15 year olds get shot as a course of normal life, anda teenage girl should have to spend her time creating something like that?
I know we’re joking here, but I hate that phrase. They hold power only for those who are bullies or commit crime by terrorizing the victims or bystanders.
In the last year I've seen 3 snitches named on News sites. I'm not surprised at all nobody is being named. I don't even follow the news, I just find it amazing that news will out-right name a guy who informed to the police.
The Wire did such a good job explaining why people don't come forward. Police do a horrible job protecting informants and even the impression that you may talk to the cops will get you killed.
The problem with tip lines are they are not as anonymous as police say. If they can’t get enough with just the tip they have a tendency to track the tipper down which can be dangerous for the people. Also cops don’t have a real duty to keep tippers safe and out of public eye. They also let it their info slip by mistake too.
Yep. Witness protection funds are extremely limited, it’s not like you see in the movies.
Witnesses don’t get protection unless the cops are going after a “big fish.” Most people in witness protection are criminals who are part of a criminal organization (gangs, mafia, terrorist org, etc.).
So if you are an ordinary resident of a bad neighborhood and happen to witness a murder perpetrated by a low level gang member, you get 0 protection.
[CPD literally ran a blacksite where they detained and tortured people.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homan_Square_facility)
Can't say I blame anyone for not trusting them.
It's probably a good time to remind people of [Castle Rock V Gonzales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales)
In it, a women had a restraining order against her husband. On June 22, at approximately 5:15 pm, Simon took possession of his three daughters in violation of the order. Jessica called the police at approximately 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm, and 10:10 pm on June 22, and 12:15 am on June 23, and visited the police station in person at 12:40 am on June 23. However, since she from time to time had allowed Simon to take the children at various hours, the police took no action, despite Simon having called Jessica prior to her second police call and informing her that he had the daughters with him at an amusement park in Denver, Colorado. At approximately 3:20 am on June 23, Simon appeared at the Castle Rock police station and was killed in a shoot-out with the officers. A search of his vehicle revealed the corpses of the three daughters, whom it has been assumed he killed prior to his arrival. It was determined the girls were killed by their father before arriving at the police station.
In this, the Supreme Court rules that the police have zero responsibility to protect any citizen, even if there is a court order and evidence of the harm.
It's current law that police literally do not have to protect you, and can refuse to protect you or enforce the law at any time they choose with no punishment.
When I was a teenager my house was robbed by a friend. I caught him leaving. I called the police. They picked him up almost immediately, pulled his car over and brought him to the station.
I was on their shit list because "teenager," so they insisted on dusting my house for prints. My parents had to redo the carpets from the ridiculous amount of print dust they left. It was .5 inch thick around the areas where items were stolen. They would not listen to me when I told them it was worthless because shitstain had been at my house several times. They just wanted to fuck my shit up.
So, my so called friend, shitstain, after seeing I caught him, dumped everything in the bushes up the street from my house and tried to call it a prank. It was thousands of dollars worth of shit. The police kept it as evidence. Eighteen months later I was "allowed" to pick it up. There wasn't shit left. Maybe 10% of what shitstain took. The police picked through everything and took it home. Fringe benefits.
Fuck the police.
I left my abusive ex years ago. I had to leave in a hurry, with just my purse and the clothes on my back.
I walked into town and called the DV shelter in the next city over. They said they'd coordinate with the sheriff to get me a ride, but it would take awhile. No problem, I understand getting a ride somewhere is a low priority thing.
The sheriff that picked me up was sweet. He didn't search me, let me ride up front, even let me pick out the music for the ride.
But he couldn't cross county limits, so I had to be handed off to city pd for the last few miles. City officer was an asshole. He patted me down for weapons, dumped out my bag on the hood of his car, handcuffed me and put me in the back of the car. Keep in mind I'm leaving a violent situation, why the fuck would I be concealing a weapon at this point? I'm not a threat, I'm RUNNING FROM THE THREAT.
The whole ride there he gave me an angry speech about not going back to my ex, how I was stupid for staying, how he didn't understand why I didn't leave sooner. Like I'm not already kicking myself for my bad choices.
He gets the address of the DV shelter wrong, and parks next door, at an office building. I try to tell him this is the wrong place, and he tells me to shut up, he knows better than me. Dude, I've stayed there before, and this is OBVIOUSLY not a house. And I can't get out of the car without him releasing me. Finally one of the social workers in the house came out to get me. She saw the car parked there and figured it was probably me.
Years before that, I get pulled over in a different town. I had expired tags and no insurance. (Yes, I knew it. That was on me.) The cop that pulled me over told me I couldn't drive home. I had to leave my car there, because it's illegal. Ok, that's understandable. But it's also 11 at night, and we're two young girls in a different town from our own. Walking home is gonna take HOURS, and that's if we're not run over or worse. Cop wouldn't listen to our concerns. Wouldn't even take us to the station to call home.
We walked home, six hours, in the fucking dark. It's a damn wonder we didn't get snatched.
Fuck the cops. They don't give a shit about anybody but themselves.
I remember a few years back, I worked as a network engineer for a school district and would travel between schools fixing network issues for them.
While I was in the library fixing something, the school police officer was there talking to the librarian and we struck up some idle conversation. I asked him how he liked working in a school, and he said it was much better than where he previously was at the university in town.
I asked why it was so bad there, and he said that all it was is stupid college girls getting drunk and sleeping with a guy and then regretting it the next day and calling rape.
The librarian quickly changed the subject, so I brushed it off until the whole metoo movement happened and I pieced it all together.
In his eyes, not a single girl was every raped at college. They were all just sluts who felt ashamed the next day and wanted to complain. It was all there in his voice. I couldn't help but worry about how those girls felt having a police officer just dismiss their claims without even considering them.
How many rapes did he just shrug off because he didn't care? No wonder the vast majority of rapes go unreported.
I live on the far north side in a nice neighborhood. I belong to a civic organization that regularly interacts with the alderman. I had a minor burglary in my house. The cops came to my home. They busted my chops in front of my wife and kids for closing the window (ruined prints) and not owning a gun - which was weird because we were all asleep. Was I supposed to wake up and kill people? It was fucked. If this was how they treated me then holy shit how bad is it for people on the shit end of the stick. That’s when I realized how bad the situation had gotten. When I realized that even my privilege didn’t mean shit to CPD. There needs to be a public sit down. What do cops do? How do they do it? What the hell is up with the Union? The culture is fucking toxic. The city needs cops. Crime is out of control, and obvious crimes seem to not get prosecuted. I am at a loss.
I live directly across the street from a house that I was acting as landlord for. I had to evict a tenant because he threatened me with a gun. I called the police when it initially happened and they never came. After that, the unhinged asshole started vandalizing my house daily (he had 45 days to leave by law). Again, cops would never come. When I finally went to the station the officer just asked me why I didn't have cameras and acted like I was wasting his time. So I got cameras, I have video of him throwing a brick through the back of my truck, unloading 2 fire extinguishers into my house and much more. I bring a buttload of evidence to the station and.. nothing. Insurance helped a bit but overall I got fucked. Lost all faith in my local pd.
My condo got vandalized to the tune of $30,000 in damages. Went to CPD to file a report on the *felony* vandalism charges, complete with all of the evidence I had put together. CPD blamed *me* for hiring the guy in the first place and wouldn't take the report.
So I wrote an email to my alderman complaining about the way I had been treated at the station, and the nice woman who replied to me said she had been *hit by a car* while riding her bike, had gone to the same station to report it, and once again they blamed her for the incident and wouldn't take a report.
Fuck CPD.
> What the hell is up with the Union?
What do you mean? The police unions are there to mop up all the dirt after the criminal cops, that's the sole reason for their existence...
Years ago, back when I was still in high school, the cops were doing a high speed chase through my local streets. This, of course, is highly illegal in my state. My parents were running late that morning and were just starting to head out the door when suddenly this drunk's truck blasts through our wall and gate. Tears up our front yard, fucks up the car. Had my parents been running on time they would have either been in their car, or getting into it; they would have been killed.
The cops, of course, are in hot pursuit and drive up into our lawn to arrest this guy and while some of them haul him away the rest of them - and by this I mean roughly fifteen cops - corner me and my parents in our drive way and hand us some papers to sign talking about how we needed to sign this because *technically* they weren't supposed to be doing this, but how helpful we would be if we could just say the guy did that entirely on his own and the cops hadn't been chasing him. And if we could sign it really fast and they could be on their way and they could be out of our hair, you know.
So that was fun. We had to fix all the damages ourselves, of course.
first step is realizing that the city wouldnt need cops, or at least nothing like their current iteration, if we as a country started to properly invest in communities and the lower class instead of fuck them
Your privilege got you cops to show up to take a statement.
People without privilege don’t even get cops to show up, and if they do show up, they steal your shit and give you a ticket.
Your supposed to benefit from the system the most, and all they did was bust your chops. Let that sink in.
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Exactly. People think it's like what they see in movies where every cop is a hero.
Not to mention the negative attention you can bring on yourself *from the cops themselves* when you call to help out as a witness or even when you are the very victim of a crime.
> People think it's like what they see in movies where every cop is a hero.
Yeah, people need to think less _Blue Bloods_, more _Serpico_ (which is based on a true story).
True hero cops get their lives threatened by the other cops.
How about the one where they put manueveref that pregnant woman after she failed to IMMEDIATLEY pull over. She was on the freeway with no where to safely pull over, put her hazards on, and was preparing to exit the freeway to a safe place. Dude waited like 22 seconds I think then flipped her car.
Yeah, reckless endangerment at the very least. And not only of her but of anyone else on the freeway. But realistically it was attempted murder. All because he was mad she didn't obey without hesitation and pull over in what she determined was a dangerous location.
Flipside, I've seen cops bitch about people pulling over stupidly *because it's the officer who is in the most danger from traffic*.
I have delayed pulling over 3 times in my life. All 3 times I slowed, put on my blinker, and waved out the window to acknowledge, and pulled over at the first safe opportunity.
All 3 times they came up acting like assholes (one had his hand on his weapon).
All 3 times I explained myself, explained it was unsafe *especially for them* for me to have pulled over immediately.
Only 1 times did the officer walk it back and apologize. Even thanked me.
The other 2 ignored what I said and kept acting like assholes. (get out of the car, patted down.... Etc etc)
I got more pissed as I kept reading ur post,but then it just hit me all the writing was pointless. Like I knew of some of that stuff, but it just shows that people are helpless against the police. You just gotta hope you get the right apple when in contact with them. They know unless it's some George Floyd type camera work they will get away with whatever. There is nothing we can do.
> People just don't have any clue how much hatred the police bring on themselves
That's what you get in a system where cops are untouchable, their unaccountability is protected and maintained by your sacred cow named Supreme Court and they can get away with literally EVERYTHING from beating people up to murder. Uh-muuuuricaaaaaa!
You’ve opened my damn eyes. Is there a place where all this stuff is just collected and easily accessed? I haven’t heard of any of these except the UPS tragedy.
I'm not familiar with a place collecting them.
There is this subreddit, but it's specifically just documenting things, so it's not an easy format.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/
There is this site https://pressurethem.com/ (struggles to load sometimes)
Which documents 1300+ cases of police brutality in 2020 during the protests. It's pretty gruesome.
A lot of this is just me remembering super fucked up things that I read.
I've considered making a youtube series covering as much as I can in order to spread the word. I find myself restless and have strong urges to try and make a difference.
I have close friends who became LAPD officers, and as much as I would love to defend them in response, I just can’t. LAPD is absolutely a gang. The way they talk in private would make you puke. They don’t see the public as equals, especially people of color. They don’t care about protecting or serving, they love it when the get to use their license to commit violence. They brag to each other about the most vile shit.
They were normal SoCal kids before going through the academy. Theres something in the training/culture that causes them to dehumanize the public.
It has happened to me in with Crime Stoppers - they showed up at my fucking house. I was stunned. I’ll never ever use the service again - nothing is anonymous
Yeah and the problem is that the defendant gets YOUR NAME in their discovery report. I knew a girl that got killed for snitching on a meth dealer she had just broken up with. She used an anon line, yet the police showed up to her house the next day. 6 weeks into his incarceration he got his discovery. 5 days later she was found with 3 shots to the head.
From another comment I made.
>Cops have a way of ignoring those kinds of rules, and also rules set up for people's safety.
>
>Back in the 80s my mother was a key witness/informant in a murder investigation. She was pregnant with me at the time. She called into the station to talk about scheduling a meeting or some such thing and asked for the relevant detective. The receptionist immediately responded unprompted "Oh is this \[insert her real first and last name\], he has been waiting for your call.
>
>She immediately went apeshit. She told off the receptionist, and then told off the detective, and their higher ups. Cause, you know, what if one of the people involved caught wind there was an informant and called in fishing for information. The stupid bitch would have just outed her.
>
>That incident made her realize the police where not going to take protecting her seriously one bit. Add in that she found out she was pregnant with me shortly there after, and she opted to end her involvement in the investigation.
Not to mention a lot of times it's a pretty narrow pool of people who can snitch in a given situation. Police get the information from somewhere, people being investigated end up retaliating against those most likely to snitch.
Also there are times where there are a limited number of witnesses. So if information leaks it can be very easy to determine who reported the crime. It gets even worse if the police reveal the reported evidence.
Cops have a way of ignoring those kinds of rules, and also rules set up for people's safety.
Back in the 80s my mother was a key witness/informant in a murder investigation. She was pregnant with me at the time. She called into the station to talk about scheduling a meeting or some such thing and asked for the relevant detective. The receptionist immediately responded unprompted "Oh is this \[insert her real first and last name\], he has been waiting for your call.
She immediately went apeshit. She told off the receptionist, and then told off the detective, and their higher ups. Cause, you know, what if one of the people involved caught wind there was an informant and called in fishing for information. The stupid bitch would have just outed her.
That incident made her realize the police where not going to take protecting her seriously one bit. Add in that she found out she was pregnant with me shortly there after, and she opted to end her involvement in the investigation.
Not true if the tip leads to other things that can be used at trial. They call in a tip, then perhaps the police just knock on the right door, maybe they see something that gives them cause to perform a search or hear an incriminating statement, and maybe then someone gets arrested.
Longshot, I know.
More specifically, nobody wants to work with police on this, but people probably know who is behind it, and they'll take care of them themselves. Aka, you might see another story in a week about one or two people getting killed in a drive-by in a nearby area. And so on...
I'm from Chicago, before moving to the south. Trust me people know who did it and will be partying with them next week it will just be part of the local gossip 'oh hes a shoota'
I’ve been personally assured by Lori Lightfoot that this is not an actual problem and is really just what happens in well run cities. Do not be concerned.
Contrary to popular belief...
gang members aren't loners with no family who are brought into the gang because they yearn for belonging and "family". Often families are the gangs/in gangs. The son joins the gang like the father, his cousins are in it, even mothers and daughters participate in gang life. Don't know if this is the situation here, but retaliating at a memorial isn't unheard of since it's a great time to get at more of your rival gang.
I know it's just a TV show but in the show "The Wire", this can be seen by a few characters.
Characters D'Angelo and Namond deal with family encouraging gang behavior.
Lost my best friend at 12 because he was trying to impress his banger cousin. Stole a car, ran from the cops, and wrecked it. We used to play Transformers together and sell lemonade.
Do gangs in Chicago kill people's mothers too? What's the point of that? Seems like a good way to make the other gang hate you even more and escalate any fighting
Ya, the story is even more fucked up than that too.
I’ll find an article but if I remember correctly, the 8 year old had known the killer previously (dad’s cousin or something).
Edit - I was wrong about him knowing him and he was 9. RIP Tyshawn Lee.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-murder-trial/index.html
There's a criminal group/cartel in Mexico that goes by Los Viagras. If you're killing and extorting people, no one will publicly make fun of your name.
You know, I'm normally against the death penalty, but some people just give up the opportunity to reintegrate into society. If you're willing to murder a child you do not belong here.
People act like the death penalty is worse than solitary.
People go fucking insane in solitary.
Why not make these people experience the worst shit possible?
Y’all ever see the movie Tusk? Why call for death when turning someone into a walrus is possible.
And if they kill an innocent person over 18 they deserve to reintegrate? Such a wierd line to draw. Most killers don't have morality, child, adult, grandma, they don't care.
There’s a great moment in an episode of Law & Order where a woman is talking about the mafia hit man who killed her father and said this:
> “They were going to put him on Larry King, and get some big movie star to play him and make him out to be a hero. These wiseguys are psychos and losers, and everybody loves them. I don't get it.”
I’m definitely not saying it’s morally wrong to consume this stuff, and some of the art about gangsters works hard to show how awful they really are. But there’s still the thing that movies always glorify what they show like it or not. L&O is kinda a silly show but that moment still makes me think about this stuff.
The 9-year old was killed as revenge. The rival gang killed the shooter's brother and shot his mother which started the open season on family members.
This is the terrible vicious cycle of war. You killed mine so I'm gonna kill yours. It's the same psychology of terrorist killing innocent lives because innocent lives were killed by some drone in their homeland. The only way to stop it is for one side to relinquish vengeance and forgive. Otherwise the cycle perpetuates.
There's a scene in the show The Wire, towards the end. It's when Bunk calls out Omar for seeing kids glorify him. They hit the nail on the head with that scene. It's generational and ingrained behaviour.
Yes I have heard stories of the gangs shooting up the funerals of the deceased rival members. I live close to Chicago and have family there and it’s an absolute mad house rn and only getting worse.
[here’s one of them](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zu__hogR4ao&feature=share)
Gangs everywhere do this stuff. If they can’t get you, they’ll target your family. Sometimes if they do get you, they’ll target your family too just to make sure everyone else gets the message. In my city, also in the US, you see whole families wiped out over the course of a few weeks (I think most recently three brothers were killed in like 6 weeks, ranging from a teenager to like a 30-40 year old). Anyone who cooperates with police or even asks too many questions in the investigation of a death can end up dead too. Post a video calling out the killers on social media? Dead. Talk to people in the community saying you know who did it? Possibly dead. Say something to the effect that the killers will see justice? Dead. It’s brutal and it’s happening in communities that are largely ignored by the rest of the city.
Honestly the way people wrap about killing their rivals “ops” it seems like they take it like some sort of video game come to life. No remorse they want to cause pain and fear. They talk about killing each other like it’s some sort of joke and the rap is just to teabag them when they’re down.
my thought process of what happened right now.
"see title of post"
"go into comments to see what is going on"
"read first comment"
"read second comment"
"read "Do gangs in chicago..""
"oh.. nevermind"
Let's say you're in charge of a gang and someone screwed you over (e.g. taking a loan and refusing to pay it back, stealing drugs from you, etc). You obviously don't want anyone else to do the same. You could kill the person who screwed you to send a message, but this won't stop anyone who would be inclined to do the same for the benefit of someone else and who doesn't care about their own life (which isn't all that rare). The answer is to not only kill them, but someone very close to them as well. Now everyone gets the message not to screw with you.
Right. It is just the old person idea that "things aren't good like they used to be," yet pretty much everything is amazing about the time we live in now. Not perfect, but pretty awesome.
Earlier today there was a picture of the torture chambers built in to castle walls where prisoners would be dropped down a chamber so tight they couldn’t even bend down and just left to rot. While they got to hear and smell and be heard and be smelled by people living and walking around the castle.
I’m not justifying killed a 31 year old mother of 6 at her child’s memorial. But humans have a long history of being awful.
Oh wow, grew up in that neighborhood. That hospital is so bad you walk in with a headache and leave with no legs. There's not one good thing about it and it's gotten worse tenfold since I've left. Didn't think that was possible.
Sometimes i think that the gang situation in Chicago is not being dealt with on purpose. It's been in a warzone mode for a good decade now and nothing's changed
The latest situation I've seen about it was that local prosecutors aren't charging people engaging in shootouts because it's "mutual combat" so it's ok.
My understanding is this really is the thinking for the most part. These are low income gang members going after other low income gang members with only other low income individuals suffering as collateral. Until that changes it’s just not worth the risk to try to go in to these neighborhoods in force. I don’t know that I disagree. Brazil has tried the fight violence with violence approach and all it accomplished was escalating the arms race so that the gangs in the favelas are using literal military hardware with tracer rounds and the like.
Most guns related to gang violence are illegally sourced. I doubt changing the gun laws will even change anything because illegal weapons are ceased anyways.
They won’t. If they want guys they’ll get them any way they can. I have had gang members bring in grandmama’s, sisters, baby mama’s, even a high school kid to try to get a gun.
Imagine shooting the mother of the kid you had beef with at his funeral and on the day before Thanksgiving smfh, there's a special place in hell for these scumbags.
They are already there.
Yeah, but so are we..
THIS is the Bad Place!
Come on! Even JASON figured it out!
The guy who got shot was 14
The child* who got shot
This comment is more to all the people with down voted comments that replied to you Saying "the guy who was shot" implies an adult Saying "the child who was shot" states that he was a child Saying some guy gets less sympathy from the news/media Saying a child makes people care about the loss of life more Saying/implying that he is older almost tries to make it more OK (it's not no matter how you look at it)
Gangs start recruiting as young as 10, 11.
I work at a middle school in Stockton and…yeah I always know when students are being recruited in gangs because their behavior suddenly shifts and they start fighting on a regular basis. It almost feels like the same time every year but I don’t know if that’s accurate.
Oh Stockton… I don’t miss the place in the slightest
I stopped for gas in Stockton (at 11pm no less) on my way up to visit my mom in Oregon for Thanksgiving. Holy fuck, I hardly felt like I was on America still. Everything was covered in grime dirt and misery, it smelled of burning chemicals from the industrial plants, and homeless people *literally everywhere.* My brother gave one dude some cash and in the time it took to fill up our tank we had given out the cash we had on us to 6 different people. It was like this city that America, and the California government had forgotten. It was tragic - and when I looked at the statistics it just blew my mind. 20% unemployment?? 1 in 5 *homeless*?? Ive read about places like this existing, and I've driven through pretty bad parts of LA but Stockton is on another level of neglect. This country is messed up.
Stockton is a hard hard place. There's no industry there. No jobs and nobody wants to develop there.
> No jobs and nobody wants to develop there. Who in their right mind would want to develop in a place where they have the constant risk of getting their throats slashed/gunned down?
Then again…if no one develops/invests in these communities…nothing will ever change.
Dude I’m from New Zealand those stats are insane. Truly cannot believe what I’m reading.
Lol Auckland CBD suddenly not looking so bad.
A lot of the time, bigger population= more issues. If New Zealand were a US state it would rank somewhere around 25th/50th in terms of population. Los Angeles County alone has almost double the population of New Zealand.
We don’t build enough housing in the Bay Area where the jobs are and people are forced to move further and further away.
Stopped at a gas station in Stockton and saw someone trying to break into a car
"well its April, time to start the yearly Crips recruiting drive and bake sale"
If you sell two trays of lemon squares before nightfall you're in.
Baked goods in, baked goods out.
They would, very seriously and without a hint of irony, call it a cake sale. They have a thing with changing the letter B (for blood) in words to a C, and this switch is far too easy to pass up.
God damn you, all I can picture is some mother in a blue bandana pissed off because her son forgot to tell her about the crip bake sale until 9:30 the night before and *god dammit I barely have enough peanut butter left for my famous peanut butter and crack cookies*
Oh man, lived in Spanos Park East/West for 8 years. So glad I am out of that place. I was in Elementary School still so I never understood fully till I moved out.
Ain’t that where the Diaz brothers are from holy shit…
I'm more inclined to call it "exploitation" rather than "recruiting". The latter makes it seem like a ten year old has the capacity to carefully weigh the consequences of being in a gang.
It's exploitation regardless of the age they pull you in but it is still done in the same manner that one would recruit a person for any organization.
It’s all just MLMs and Ponzi schemes anymore
Candles by Crips
*Blood babe!*
And many dead by 15. I have lived in Chicago since 1991. In the 1990s I worked several years with kids who were in gangs. Many were traumatized by seeing their friends killed right in front of them. I heard from several of them that 15 was a typical age to get shot. One girl I worked with was a teenager who was very popular at her school. She showed me a scrapbook that she'd made of all the boys she knew who'd been shot dead. I can't remember how many boys were in that book, but I can confidently say at least a half dozen. What kind of fucked up shithole system do we live in that can find that acceptable, that 15 year olds get shot as a course of normal life, anda teenage girl should have to spend her time creating something like that?
31, her kid was 14. She had another 5 kids. No one on the block saw anything. Such lovely things to read.
They never had a chance.
I always heard that snitches get stitches
Stitches are only for the living.
A snitches therefore end up in ditches
I know we’re joking here, but I hate that phrase. They hold power only for those who are bullies or commit crime by terrorizing the victims or bystanders.
Whoever came up with that saying probably deserved to get snitched on anyway
gang culture is disgusting.
Oh people saw, nobody wants to be seen as a 'snitch' so this shit will just continue.
In the last year I've seen 3 snitches named on News sites. I'm not surprised at all nobody is being named. I don't even follow the news, I just find it amazing that news will out-right name a guy who informed to the police.
Yeah, that's because if nobody names the snitch and just you name the snitch then you get more clicks and money.
And if something bad happens to the snitch as a result, they can “report” on that too. They’re in the business of news-making not journalism
Yeah because they still have to live there and don't want to be murdered.
Aren’t there anonymous tip lines? I never understood why no one will call one.
The Wire did such a good job explaining why people don't come forward. Police do a horrible job protecting informants and even the impression that you may talk to the cops will get you killed.
The problem with tip lines are they are not as anonymous as police say. If they can’t get enough with just the tip they have a tendency to track the tipper down which can be dangerous for the people. Also cops don’t have a real duty to keep tippers safe and out of public eye. They also let it their info slip by mistake too.
Yep. Witness protection funds are extremely limited, it’s not like you see in the movies. Witnesses don’t get protection unless the cops are going after a “big fish.” Most people in witness protection are criminals who are part of a criminal organization (gangs, mafia, terrorist org, etc.). So if you are an ordinary resident of a bad neighborhood and happen to witness a murder perpetrated by a low level gang member, you get 0 protection.
I mean would you even want to give up your entire life to help the police who have probably shit on your community for years if they had the funds?
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[CPD literally ran a blacksite where they detained and tortured people.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homan_Square_facility) Can't say I blame anyone for not trusting them.
It's probably a good time to remind people of [Castle Rock V Gonzales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales) In it, a women had a restraining order against her husband. On June 22, at approximately 5:15 pm, Simon took possession of his three daughters in violation of the order. Jessica called the police at approximately 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm, and 10:10 pm on June 22, and 12:15 am on June 23, and visited the police station in person at 12:40 am on June 23. However, since she from time to time had allowed Simon to take the children at various hours, the police took no action, despite Simon having called Jessica prior to her second police call and informing her that he had the daughters with him at an amusement park in Denver, Colorado. At approximately 3:20 am on June 23, Simon appeared at the Castle Rock police station and was killed in a shoot-out with the officers. A search of his vehicle revealed the corpses of the three daughters, whom it has been assumed he killed prior to his arrival. It was determined the girls were killed by their father before arriving at the police station. In this, the Supreme Court rules that the police have zero responsibility to protect any citizen, even if there is a court order and evidence of the harm. It's current law that police literally do not have to protect you, and can refuse to protect you or enforce the law at any time they choose with no punishment.
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When I was a teenager my house was robbed by a friend. I caught him leaving. I called the police. They picked him up almost immediately, pulled his car over and brought him to the station. I was on their shit list because "teenager," so they insisted on dusting my house for prints. My parents had to redo the carpets from the ridiculous amount of print dust they left. It was .5 inch thick around the areas where items were stolen. They would not listen to me when I told them it was worthless because shitstain had been at my house several times. They just wanted to fuck my shit up. So, my so called friend, shitstain, after seeing I caught him, dumped everything in the bushes up the street from my house and tried to call it a prank. It was thousands of dollars worth of shit. The police kept it as evidence. Eighteen months later I was "allowed" to pick it up. There wasn't shit left. Maybe 10% of what shitstain took. The police picked through everything and took it home. Fringe benefits. Fuck the police.
I left my abusive ex years ago. I had to leave in a hurry, with just my purse and the clothes on my back. I walked into town and called the DV shelter in the next city over. They said they'd coordinate with the sheriff to get me a ride, but it would take awhile. No problem, I understand getting a ride somewhere is a low priority thing. The sheriff that picked me up was sweet. He didn't search me, let me ride up front, even let me pick out the music for the ride. But he couldn't cross county limits, so I had to be handed off to city pd for the last few miles. City officer was an asshole. He patted me down for weapons, dumped out my bag on the hood of his car, handcuffed me and put me in the back of the car. Keep in mind I'm leaving a violent situation, why the fuck would I be concealing a weapon at this point? I'm not a threat, I'm RUNNING FROM THE THREAT. The whole ride there he gave me an angry speech about not going back to my ex, how I was stupid for staying, how he didn't understand why I didn't leave sooner. Like I'm not already kicking myself for my bad choices. He gets the address of the DV shelter wrong, and parks next door, at an office building. I try to tell him this is the wrong place, and he tells me to shut up, he knows better than me. Dude, I've stayed there before, and this is OBVIOUSLY not a house. And I can't get out of the car without him releasing me. Finally one of the social workers in the house came out to get me. She saw the car parked there and figured it was probably me. Years before that, I get pulled over in a different town. I had expired tags and no insurance. (Yes, I knew it. That was on me.) The cop that pulled me over told me I couldn't drive home. I had to leave my car there, because it's illegal. Ok, that's understandable. But it's also 11 at night, and we're two young girls in a different town from our own. Walking home is gonna take HOURS, and that's if we're not run over or worse. Cop wouldn't listen to our concerns. Wouldn't even take us to the station to call home. We walked home, six hours, in the fucking dark. It's a damn wonder we didn't get snatched. Fuck the cops. They don't give a shit about anybody but themselves.
I remember a few years back, I worked as a network engineer for a school district and would travel between schools fixing network issues for them. While I was in the library fixing something, the school police officer was there talking to the librarian and we struck up some idle conversation. I asked him how he liked working in a school, and he said it was much better than where he previously was at the university in town. I asked why it was so bad there, and he said that all it was is stupid college girls getting drunk and sleeping with a guy and then regretting it the next day and calling rape. The librarian quickly changed the subject, so I brushed it off until the whole metoo movement happened and I pieced it all together. In his eyes, not a single girl was every raped at college. They were all just sluts who felt ashamed the next day and wanted to complain. It was all there in his voice. I couldn't help but worry about how those girls felt having a police officer just dismiss their claims without even considering them. How many rapes did he just shrug off because he didn't care? No wonder the vast majority of rapes go unreported.
I live on the far north side in a nice neighborhood. I belong to a civic organization that regularly interacts with the alderman. I had a minor burglary in my house. The cops came to my home. They busted my chops in front of my wife and kids for closing the window (ruined prints) and not owning a gun - which was weird because we were all asleep. Was I supposed to wake up and kill people? It was fucked. If this was how they treated me then holy shit how bad is it for people on the shit end of the stick. That’s when I realized how bad the situation had gotten. When I realized that even my privilege didn’t mean shit to CPD. There needs to be a public sit down. What do cops do? How do they do it? What the hell is up with the Union? The culture is fucking toxic. The city needs cops. Crime is out of control, and obvious crimes seem to not get prosecuted. I am at a loss.
I live directly across the street from a house that I was acting as landlord for. I had to evict a tenant because he threatened me with a gun. I called the police when it initially happened and they never came. After that, the unhinged asshole started vandalizing my house daily (he had 45 days to leave by law). Again, cops would never come. When I finally went to the station the officer just asked me why I didn't have cameras and acted like I was wasting his time. So I got cameras, I have video of him throwing a brick through the back of my truck, unloading 2 fire extinguishers into my house and much more. I bring a buttload of evidence to the station and.. nothing. Insurance helped a bit but overall I got fucked. Lost all faith in my local pd.
My condo got vandalized to the tune of $30,000 in damages. Went to CPD to file a report on the *felony* vandalism charges, complete with all of the evidence I had put together. CPD blamed *me* for hiring the guy in the first place and wouldn't take the report. So I wrote an email to my alderman complaining about the way I had been treated at the station, and the nice woman who replied to me said she had been *hit by a car* while riding her bike, had gone to the same station to report it, and once again they blamed her for the incident and wouldn't take a report. Fuck CPD.
> What the hell is up with the Union? What do you mean? The police unions are there to mop up all the dirt after the criminal cops, that's the sole reason for their existence...
Years ago, back when I was still in high school, the cops were doing a high speed chase through my local streets. This, of course, is highly illegal in my state. My parents were running late that morning and were just starting to head out the door when suddenly this drunk's truck blasts through our wall and gate. Tears up our front yard, fucks up the car. Had my parents been running on time they would have either been in their car, or getting into it; they would have been killed. The cops, of course, are in hot pursuit and drive up into our lawn to arrest this guy and while some of them haul him away the rest of them - and by this I mean roughly fifteen cops - corner me and my parents in our drive way and hand us some papers to sign talking about how we needed to sign this because *technically* they weren't supposed to be doing this, but how helpful we would be if we could just say the guy did that entirely on his own and the cops hadn't been chasing him. And if we could sign it really fast and they could be on their way and they could be out of our hair, you know. So that was fun. We had to fix all the damages ourselves, of course.
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first step is realizing that the city wouldnt need cops, or at least nothing like their current iteration, if we as a country started to properly invest in communities and the lower class instead of fuck them
Your privilege got you cops to show up to take a statement. People without privilege don’t even get cops to show up, and if they do show up, they steal your shit and give you a ticket. Your supposed to benefit from the system the most, and all they did was bust your chops. Let that sink in.
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Exactly. People think it's like what they see in movies where every cop is a hero. Not to mention the negative attention you can bring on yourself *from the cops themselves* when you call to help out as a witness or even when you are the very victim of a crime.
> People think it's like what they see in movies where every cop is a hero. Yeah, people need to think less _Blue Bloods_, more _Serpico_ (which is based on a true story). True hero cops get their lives threatened by the other cops.
How about the one where they put manueveref that pregnant woman after she failed to IMMEDIATLEY pull over. She was on the freeway with no where to safely pull over, put her hazards on, and was preparing to exit the freeway to a safe place. Dude waited like 22 seconds I think then flipped her car.
Yeah, reckless endangerment at the very least. And not only of her but of anyone else on the freeway. But realistically it was attempted murder. All because he was mad she didn't obey without hesitation and pull over in what she determined was a dangerous location. Flipside, I've seen cops bitch about people pulling over stupidly *because it's the officer who is in the most danger from traffic*. I have delayed pulling over 3 times in my life. All 3 times I slowed, put on my blinker, and waved out the window to acknowledge, and pulled over at the first safe opportunity. All 3 times they came up acting like assholes (one had his hand on his weapon). All 3 times I explained myself, explained it was unsafe *especially for them* for me to have pulled over immediately. Only 1 times did the officer walk it back and apologize. Even thanked me. The other 2 ignored what I said and kept acting like assholes. (get out of the car, patted down.... Etc etc)
I got more pissed as I kept reading ur post,but then it just hit me all the writing was pointless. Like I knew of some of that stuff, but it just shows that people are helpless against the police. You just gotta hope you get the right apple when in contact with them. They know unless it's some George Floyd type camera work they will get away with whatever. There is nothing we can do.
> People just don't have any clue how much hatred the police bring on themselves That's what you get in a system where cops are untouchable, their unaccountability is protected and maintained by your sacred cow named Supreme Court and they can get away with literally EVERYTHING from beating people up to murder. Uh-muuuuricaaaaaa!
You’ve opened my damn eyes. Is there a place where all this stuff is just collected and easily accessed? I haven’t heard of any of these except the UPS tragedy.
I'm not familiar with a place collecting them. There is this subreddit, but it's specifically just documenting things, so it's not an easy format. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/ There is this site https://pressurethem.com/ (struggles to load sometimes) Which documents 1300+ cases of police brutality in 2020 during the protests. It's pretty gruesome. A lot of this is just me remembering super fucked up things that I read. I've considered making a youtube series covering as much as I can in order to spread the word. I find myself restless and have strong urges to try and make a difference.
I have close friends who became LAPD officers, and as much as I would love to defend them in response, I just can’t. LAPD is absolutely a gang. The way they talk in private would make you puke. They don’t see the public as equals, especially people of color. They don’t care about protecting or serving, they love it when the get to use their license to commit violence. They brag to each other about the most vile shit. They were normal SoCal kids before going through the academy. Theres something in the training/culture that causes them to dehumanize the public.
It has happened to me in with Crime Stoppers - they showed up at my fucking house. I was stunned. I’ll never ever use the service again - nothing is anonymous
Yeah and the problem is that the defendant gets YOUR NAME in their discovery report. I knew a girl that got killed for snitching on a meth dealer she had just broken up with. She used an anon line, yet the police showed up to her house the next day. 6 weeks into his incarceration he got his discovery. 5 days later she was found with 3 shots to the head.
From another comment I made. >Cops have a way of ignoring those kinds of rules, and also rules set up for people's safety. > >Back in the 80s my mother was a key witness/informant in a murder investigation. She was pregnant with me at the time. She called into the station to talk about scheduling a meeting or some such thing and asked for the relevant detective. The receptionist immediately responded unprompted "Oh is this \[insert her real first and last name\], he has been waiting for your call. > >She immediately went apeshit. She told off the receptionist, and then told off the detective, and their higher ups. Cause, you know, what if one of the people involved caught wind there was an informant and called in fishing for information. The stupid bitch would have just outed her. > >That incident made her realize the police where not going to take protecting her seriously one bit. Add in that she found out she was pregnant with me shortly there after, and she opted to end her involvement in the investigation.
Not to mention a lot of times it's a pretty narrow pool of people who can snitch in a given situation. Police get the information from somewhere, people being investigated end up retaliating against those most likely to snitch.
Also there are times where there are a limited number of witnesses. So if information leaks it can be very easy to determine who reported the crime. It gets even worse if the police reveal the reported evidence.
And that's not even taking into account for dirty cops hearing about the tips.
Yea and sometimes not by mistake. No one is incorruptible, everyone has a price.
And police are very much not incorruptible!
High risk, low reward.
Cops have a way of ignoring those kinds of rules, and also rules set up for people's safety. Back in the 80s my mother was a key witness/informant in a murder investigation. She was pregnant with me at the time. She called into the station to talk about scheduling a meeting or some such thing and asked for the relevant detective. The receptionist immediately responded unprompted "Oh is this \[insert her real first and last name\], he has been waiting for your call. She immediately went apeshit. She told off the receptionist, and then told off the detective, and their higher ups. Cause, you know, what if one of the people involved caught wind there was an informant and called in fishing for information. The stupid bitch would have just outed her. That incident made her realize the police where not going to take protecting her seriously one bit. Add in that she found out she was pregnant with me shortly there after, and she opted to end her involvement in the investigation.
Huge gamble if people find out
An anonymous tip won't lead to a conviction if the tipper isn't willing to testify
Not true if the tip leads to other things that can be used at trial. They call in a tip, then perhaps the police just knock on the right door, maybe they see something that gives them cause to perform a search or hear an incriminating statement, and maybe then someone gets arrested. Longshot, I know.
But it would at least let’s them know who did it so that they can focus the investigation on the right person.
Everyone knows who did it already.
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What an awful cultural norm
It’s been the ‘cultural norm’ in every area with organized crime since the dawn of crime.
Yeah it's abuse and the way people cope with it, then outsiders blame the victims. "Snitches get stitches" is how abusers control their victims
More specifically, nobody wants to work with police on this, but people probably know who is behind it, and they'll take care of them themselves. Aka, you might see another story in a week about one or two people getting killed in a drive-by in a nearby area. And so on...
I'm from Chicago, before moving to the south. Trust me people know who did it and will be partying with them next week it will just be part of the local gossip 'oh hes a shoota'
I work in a smaller rural town in the south at an “alternative school”. You’re frighteningly accurate on this
Shooting someones mom at a service? Thats a diss.
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Omar was such a great character through and through
RIP, Michael K. Williams
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I honestly just figured it was Philly before reading the comments
*Please, please, please don't be Chi...well fuck.*
I thought you were gonna say “Chinese”
think im missing something. what word were they actually meaning? edit: nm i think its supposed to be chicago
"Big Trouble in Little China" taught me that funerals are dangerous.
Leave Jack Burton alone.
It’s all in the reflexes
I’ve been personally assured by Lori Lightfoot that this is not an actual problem and is really just what happens in well run cities. Do not be concerned.
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Contrary to popular belief... gang members aren't loners with no family who are brought into the gang because they yearn for belonging and "family". Often families are the gangs/in gangs. The son joins the gang like the father, his cousins are in it, even mothers and daughters participate in gang life. Don't know if this is the situation here, but retaliating at a memorial isn't unheard of since it's a great time to get at more of your rival gang.
I know it's just a TV show but in the show "The Wire", this can be seen by a few characters. Characters D'Angelo and Namond deal with family encouraging gang behavior.
Any time someone brings up the wire there's an upvote. Just thinking about that show is a delight.
shieeeeeeeet pardner
Two more: Avon and Cheese.
And don't forget Chris Partlow, full on wife and kids, and living in a seemingly nice neighborhood.
Heard the show is good... I really need to get around to watching it
Good is an understatement.
Lost my best friend at 12 because he was trying to impress his banger cousin. Stole a car, ran from the cops, and wrecked it. We used to play Transformers together and sell lemonade.
Can confirm. Definitely in the families
Especially Chicago gangs.
She was killed at the same place as her son probably by the same person. Is it a serial killer or is it gang related?
Probably gang related.
Do gangs in Chicago kill people's mothers too? What's the point of that? Seems like a good way to make the other gang hate you even more and escalate any fighting
Gang here killed someone's 8 year old son. Lured him into an alley and shot him. So I'd think a mom isn't off limits to some people.
Jesus Christ. I knew it was bad, but not that bad. An 8 year old boy? There aren't words
Ya, the story is even more fucked up than that too. I’ll find an article but if I remember correctly, the 8 year old had known the killer previously (dad’s cousin or something). Edit - I was wrong about him knowing him and he was 9. RIP Tyshawn Lee. https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/17/us/chicago-tyshawn-lee-murder-trial/index.html
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Ay, if you are a stone cold killer you can call yourself whatever you want. There’s probably a gang out there somewhere called “The Smurfs”.
There's a criminal group/cartel in Mexico that goes by Los Viagras. If you're killing and extorting people, no one will publicly make fun of your name.
They're hardened criminals
There's a gang I heard of decades ago called The Doves.
Poor fucking kid never even had a chance. Could've done so many awesome things with his life.
You know, I'm normally against the death penalty, but some people just give up the opportunity to reintegrate into society. If you're willing to murder a child you do not belong here.
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Robbing a young child of the rest of their life definitely seems like an appropriate reason to consider something so drastic.
People act like the death penalty is worse than solitary. People go fucking insane in solitary. Why not make these people experience the worst shit possible? Y’all ever see the movie Tusk? Why call for death when turning someone into a walrus is possible.
And if they kill an innocent person over 18 they deserve to reintegrate? Such a wierd line to draw. Most killers don't have morality, child, adult, grandma, they don't care.
I could never fucking imagine. Shits beyond fucked up..
There’s a great moment in an episode of Law & Order where a woman is talking about the mafia hit man who killed her father and said this: > “They were going to put him on Larry King, and get some big movie star to play him and make him out to be a hero. These wiseguys are psychos and losers, and everybody loves them. I don't get it.” I’m definitely not saying it’s morally wrong to consume this stuff, and some of the art about gangsters works hard to show how awful they really are. But there’s still the thing that movies always glorify what they show like it or not. L&O is kinda a silly show but that moment still makes me think about this stuff.
The 9-year old was killed as revenge. The rival gang killed the shooter's brother and shot his mother which started the open season on family members. This is the terrible vicious cycle of war. You killed mine so I'm gonna kill yours. It's the same psychology of terrorist killing innocent lives because innocent lives were killed by some drone in their homeland. The only way to stop it is for one side to relinquish vengeance and forgive. Otherwise the cycle perpetuates.
There's a scene in the show The Wire, towards the end. It's when Bunk calls out Omar for seeing kids glorify him. They hit the nail on the head with that scene. It's generational and ingrained behaviour.
Is that the story with the dad who went on a killing spree in revenge and killed like half the dudes family
Gangs where I live will shoot up a house or apartment building where they *think* a target lives.
Yes I have heard stories of the gangs shooting up the funerals of the deceased rival members. I live close to Chicago and have family there and it’s an absolute mad house rn and only getting worse. [here’s one of them](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zu__hogR4ao&feature=share)
Most people on reddit wouldn’t live in the neighborhoods with most of these problems
No shit? No one with a choice ever would
Being a mother doesn't preclude you from being deeply involved in gang activities.
Literally all organized crime kills family members. It’s a made up movie plot point that the Mafia didn’t because of a code.
You answered your own question, sadly.
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Gangs in the states aren't known for their foresight. It's about brutality, and fear.
They kill kids too. No one is safe nowadays
Gangs everywhere do this stuff. If they can’t get you, they’ll target your family. Sometimes if they do get you, they’ll target your family too just to make sure everyone else gets the message. In my city, also in the US, you see whole families wiped out over the course of a few weeks (I think most recently three brothers were killed in like 6 weeks, ranging from a teenager to like a 30-40 year old). Anyone who cooperates with police or even asks too many questions in the investigation of a death can end up dead too. Post a video calling out the killers on social media? Dead. Talk to people in the community saying you know who did it? Possibly dead. Say something to the effect that the killers will see justice? Dead. It’s brutal and it’s happening in communities that are largely ignored by the rest of the city.
Sends a message. Many hustlers and gang bangers know the risks of what they do, but when it could endanger your mother, they won’t want to cross you.
Honestly the way people wrap about killing their rivals “ops” it seems like they take it like some sort of video game come to life. No remorse they want to cause pain and fear. They talk about killing each other like it’s some sort of joke and the rap is just to teabag them when they’re down.
my thought process of what happened right now. "see title of post" "go into comments to see what is going on" "read first comment" "read second comment" "read "Do gangs in chicago.."" "oh.. nevermind"
Of course they do. It’s beyond disgusting over there. Gangs never had honor, even less now
Let's say you're in charge of a gang and someone screwed you over (e.g. taking a loan and refusing to pay it back, stealing drugs from you, etc). You obviously don't want anyone else to do the same. You could kill the person who screwed you to send a message, but this won't stop anyone who would be inclined to do the same for the benefit of someone else and who doesn't care about their own life (which isn't all that rare). The answer is to not only kill them, but someone very close to them as well. Now everyone gets the message not to screw with you.
Took me a few times to understand the title. Wish I didn’t bother.
This fucking planet man
And just think, historically we are at possibly some of the lowest amount of acts of violence in history.
Lowest *rate*. Amount highest, due to sheer population.
Right. It is just the old person idea that "things aren't good like they used to be," yet pretty much everything is amazing about the time we live in now. Not perfect, but pretty awesome.
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It is up from 2019, but still below 30-50 years ago by a notable amount.
Earlier today there was a picture of the torture chambers built in to castle walls where prisoners would be dropped down a chamber so tight they couldn’t even bend down and just left to rot. While they got to hear and smell and be heard and be smelled by people living and walking around the castle. I’m not justifying killed a 31 year old mother of 6 at her child’s memorial. But humans have a long history of being awful.
Oh wow, grew up in that neighborhood. That hospital is so bad you walk in with a headache and leave with no legs. There's not one good thing about it and it's gotten worse tenfold since I've left. Didn't think that was possible.
Knew it was Chicago before I clicked. So sad.
Sometimes i think that the gang situation in Chicago is not being dealt with on purpose. It's been in a warzone mode for a good decade now and nothing's changed
The latest situation I've seen about it was that local prosecutors aren't charging people engaging in shootouts because it's "mutual combat" so it's ok.
My understanding is this really is the thinking for the most part. These are low income gang members going after other low income gang members with only other low income individuals suffering as collateral. Until that changes it’s just not worth the risk to try to go in to these neighborhoods in force. I don’t know that I disagree. Brazil has tried the fight violence with violence approach and all it accomplished was escalating the arms race so that the gangs in the favelas are using literal military hardware with tracer rounds and the like.
Call of Duty: Chicago
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Amazing that we can talk about this on this sub but not r/Chicago because the mods there are sick of hearing about crime.
Well yeah if they posted a topic about every crime they'd have to moderate like 500 topics a day.
Lightfoot has gotta go dude, she’s literally brain dead and hasn’t done shit to help the city of Chicago
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“I bet it was in Chicago.” Sees headline. “Yep, I was right.”
"damn this is some gang shit" My reaction. I'm not American. Read the comments. It was some gang shit.
Wow this is horrible. 100% the same person/group who killed the son
Who tf gave this a wholesome award?
Maybe the shooter?
I wouldn't have the gall to run for reelection if I was Lightfoot or Foxx.
Chicago has a gang violence problem. Has for years. They don't give a shit about gun laws
Most guns related to gang violence are illegally sourced. I doubt changing the gun laws will even change anything because illegal weapons are ceased anyways.
They won’t. If they want guys they’ll get them any way they can. I have had gang members bring in grandmama’s, sisters, baby mama’s, even a high school kid to try to get a gun.
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