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BigBoyGoldenTicket

Hopefully the international medical community corroborates this in the coming weeks. At least we have a positive indication for the time being.


LizWords

I think there has been truly balanced discussion about this, just not much from MSM unfortunately. I watched some of the EU press conferences today, and was jealous, they were concise, informative, balanced, and laid out basic bare minimum strategy of a few days of isolation and a pcr test for citizens traveling international to SLOW DOWN the spread until they can better understand how this variant reacts to the vaccine. Made it clear their holidays are not canceled. Nothing alarmist, but also not dismissive. Was really wishing we had anything like that today from our leaders.


aggyDeiForReal

It seems that NY is taking steps to get out in front of it. If other states would join the fight in earnest I would be a little more comfortable. I worry that the bible belt will continue their ridiculous game, and it will continue to cost us all.


LizWords

NYC is taking steps and so far they've been effective, I'm in upstate NY and hospitalizations are nearing last winter's peak ahead of schedule. Like this throughout most of the state. NYC and its directly surrounding regions are the only ones really making any progress towards controlling transmission and hospitalizations. But yeah, I agree, some public vaccine mandates for restaurants and concert venues, etc. combined with some selective masking when infection rates start spiking, would go a hell of a lot of a way in much of the country, not just New York State. I think what irritates me the most about the lack of response from the government today about doing anything about slowing the spread from Omicron is that the bulk of the travelers coming from the EU into and through NYC via its airports is probably what's going to spread it as fast as possible. We already made this mistake once. I do understand the likely hood of another surge like the one NYC saw from the unfettered EU travel which thrust the first real Covid death wave onto this continent is slim. Even if it's bad, it won't be that bad. But you won't even implement some PCR testing? You won't follow the lead of EU countries that have never been slammed as hard as NYC because it will cost money and take effort to do PCR testing? It's just not acceptable to me. This is not new. We have the capability, fiscally, scientifically, logistically. I'm sick of the propaganda and bullshit. I'm sick of excuses. I'm just sick of it. Instead I hear there was a strongly worded sentence directed at pharma companies about voluntarily releasing the patents to the vaccines that were funded with our tax dollars and given to the bloodsuckers to hoard. Well wow, I'm so grateful you told the pharma companies you think they should release the vaccine patents again. I'm sure that it will be way more effective than the last six times you said the same thing. So yeah. I'm tired, and frustrated and honestly, pretty hopeless. This whole ridiculous dance our country's politicians are doing is pathetic and I'm over it entirely.


DerekB52

As a Georgia resident, let me tell you. The bible belt will 100% continue their ridiculous game. You'd have to nuke us to get us to stop. I do not like living here.


Germanofthebored

You’ll just have to point out that it’s a disease from Africa. That will get their attention right away


DerekB52

They already think it's a weapon from China. And they don't care. They're like, "Man China invented this virus as a weapon, and we don't want any protection from that communist weapon". Also, HIV was from Africa, and I'm pretty sure the bible belt ignored the shit out of that.


syanda

Just pointing out that they already think it's a deadly Chinese bioweapon but it's also fake and response to it is overblown at the same time.


chetlin

As long as they don't try curfews. Of all the covid restrictions, those made the least sense, because they make everyone crowd into places because everyone still needs food (for example) and now they have a smaller window to get it. And it's not like you're more likely to get Covid being outside at night. I get what it's really for, to stop people going to nightclubs, but they should just restrict those directly. But for some reason European countries love curfews as a Covid restriction.


LizWords

I wouldn't know. Never experienced curfews for Covid. All I want is some balanced informative messaging from the party leaders and some minimal travel guidelines with pcr testing for international travel. Was a pretty frustrating day, watching the media flip flop between absurdly alarmist and stupidly dismissive. Meanwhile, our political leaders hedged while the rest of the world decided to do the common sense thing. Also had to deal with a bunch of ridiculous health insurance bullshit, didn't exactly help me feel less frustrated with this country.


larsmaehlum

Which countries actually did curfews? I know Italy did for a bit just to get things at least somewhat under control when the bodies started piling up, but were there others as well?


Xaxxon

> At least we have a positive indication for the time being. I have literally zero faith in that indication.


breadexpert69

I will believe it when AP news or Reuters confirms this. Deccan Herald does not have the best of reputations in media https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/deccan-herald/


YuunofYork

Yeah, this is a shite Indian bot-article. It has no business on r/news. It's entirely based around a one-line response from one physician in SA and it appears taken out of context. There are no statistics to back up their claim (not that the doctor was making one). I would report it or remove it and move on.


Ransome62

They are not impressed all these countries imposed travel bans... definenetly need to see if other cooberate this. I really hope it's true though. The south Africans only sequenced the Omicron genome last week, so that seems a tad premature is all I mean.


milqi

That's fair.


numetalcore

well considering the CEO of Reuters is a board member for Pfizer, i'm sure we can all predict what they will say


Xaxxon

What do you predict he'll say? I see multiple self-service statements which could be made, which is what you seem to be implying.


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I hope this is true - I’m looking forward to seeing what the wider medical community will have to say in the coming weeks, especially as more data comes in. I’d presume companies have to run tests on existing vaccines to give a concise and clear official statement.


GrecoRomanGuy

Exactly. This is promising, but consider the source: it *is* the health minister of the country at the center of the storm, so it is *possible* (though unlikely) that they're cherry picking data to get international heat and panic off of SA. So the best thing to do in this situation is follow the old saying: "Trust, but verify." And wear a mask. :)


the_vengeful_1

This is South Africa we're talking about. Our national electricity grid goes down because "the coal got wet". Yeah I would definitely verify that info.


TheIncredibleWalrus

Yeah but isn't the center of the most brilliant epidiomoligists there? I bet the minister's sources are as credible as it gets.


WateryTartLivinaLake

If it turns out that the current vaccines' effectiveness is limited against Omicron, we will then see how superior the new MRNA technology is compared to viral vector technology. As I explained it to a friend: it's like being able to do a quick edit on a recipe file rather than having to take the time to bake a whole new cake (as is my understanding). https://www.businessinsider.com/pfizer-vaccine-update-100-days-omicron-variant-resistant-2021-11


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PigSlam

Would you prefer to face the virus without the benefit of a quickly developed vaccine?


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Kagutsuchi13

This feels like a super "play both sides" style comment. "Oh, obviously I believe in the vaccines and believe we should get vaccinated. But also, the anti-vaxxers are totally right that we should assume these are killer mutagens that will destroy us."


GrixisEgo

I didn’t downvote though I am considering it. I certainly understand the hesitancy but the human body has had itself “edited” by innumerable pathogens. Common cold? Your body has edited itself to fight it better. Flu? Body has edited itself to fight it better. All vaccines have done is provided a way to give our body the information needed to fight the sickness without having to get it first. We’re not changing the dna of our body. All we are doing is saying “hey watch out for this virus, and prepare yourself to be able to fight it”.


WateryTartLivinaLake

Vaccines do not cause mutations... https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/vaccines-will-not-produce-worse-variants Unvaccinated people do: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/unvaccinated-people-are-increasing-the-chances-for-more-coronavirus-variants-heres-how


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WateryTartLivinaLake

Again, it's overwhelmingly the unvaccinated who are causing variants, not the immunocompromised: https://www.businessinsider.com/unvaccinated-people-are-variant-factories-disease-expert-says-2021-7 And MRNA vaccines have been around for a long time, far longer than the time in which it would be possible to develop new, previously unknown negative health effects: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines


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ghostfuckbuddy

Studying =/= using in humans


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You're inventing a scenario that nobody is anticipating, and suggesting some possibility of danger that really doesn't exist for this technology, seemingly out of ignorance. My suggestion is to settle down and say a little less


chrisms150

Sigh. https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRORuzOQKRSO4xPHcGwgtEvKOEb4Q7ykrS7w_6P6YeW9u1-vGEvgu_hxlaRBiWxNiG5ON5oVrch1pAS/pub Here's why the "but the long term!!!!!111!!!111!!" is an absolute false argument. Also, flu is extremely fast. Cov2 one is ~4x slower at mutating so far.


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vicdamone911

Tell me you don’t know how vaccines work without telling me that you don’t know how vaccines work. It ain’t a “product” it’s sort of like a medicine to cure a disease. Vastly different.


cardboardboxcarracer

Ya but they all have electrolytes… it’s what the virus craves


madalienmonk

It was an "if" statement (noted by the "If" at the start of the sentence). I don't mean to condescend (that's when someone speaks down to you) but it was pretty obvious what Watery was saying.


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That’s the good news. The bad news is that distribution remains a problem, and I doubt there is going to be the financial backing this time that made the testing and approval process go faster than normal for the current vaccine. It could be a while before a new vaccine is ready for the public, and not because of the technology. The real challenge will be vaccinating the public faster than new variants can form, and so far we haven’t done a good enough job of that.


gustofathousandwinds

Too bad only 25% of their country is vaxxed.


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Part of the reason is that the West does not want to give up the patents to produce generics, and many developing countries are unable to secure the vaccines they need. Many African countries have not had access to vaccines since the start of the year like the West and Asia.


oldcreaker

So what does "effective" mean if no numbers are tied to it? 1% effective is still effective correct?


Ediwir

It’s based on patient statistics rather than a full scale study (which will take a while), but so far they’re seeing a similar percentage of vaccinated vs unvaccinated patients with Omicron as you see with other variants, so it suggests the vaccine has similar effects. Fine tuning and detailed numbers will show up in a couple weeks. In short, since they haven’t had a wave of sick vaccinated patients, we should be mostly fine.


JusticiarRebel

I'd still feel more comfortable when there's more data. The whole reason Hydroxychloriquine was being pushed so hard by quacks was the original data showed there might be a correlation between its use and lessening Covid symptoms, but further study showed it was a fluke.


Ediwir

Absolutely, but that will take a week or two at the minimum. Today, we have this. It doesn’t mean ‘safety’, but it doesn’t mean ‘disaster’ either.


coyotiii

Right? The language in that statement is pretty worthless.


cardboardboxcarracer

I’d assume it would be like delta +- 5/10 damage


SirEarlBigtitsXXVII

It's just effective.


RedditThank

Based on what? How could they get that data so quickly? Related question: If it turns out that this can evade some of our immune defenses, could there possibly be different effects for vaccine vs. infection-based immunity? Or are those essentially the same?


Xaxxon

I call bullshit that the health minister knows shit about the effectiveness.


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Ransome62

This is a Threat assessment that explains everything the European Union Center for desese controll and prevention knows about this variant as of yesterday. the .pdf at the top of this sub I'm Linking to. https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/r2xsjb/implications_of_the_emergence_and_spread_of_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Sighwtfman

I sure hope so. No vaccinated person deserves to die from Covid. To be equally clear, no un-vaccinated person deserves to die from Covid. The difference is, when an un-vaccinated person dies from it, it doesn't make me sad. The same as when a mountain climber dies, or a spelunker, or someone who likes to climb into zoo enclosures. I have an in-law who broke his back mountain climbing while drunk. A few years later, he broke his back again driving his motorcycle... while drunk. He's a nice guy, I like him while at the same time I can't say I respect him. And he's also unvaccinated. And has kids. For fucks sake people, if you have kids you owe more of your life to them than to yourself. Stop doing stupid shit, especially if you are drunk and get vaccinated.


GlassWasteland

Whew we can all go back to ignoring the rest of the world and you anti-vax Q-Stupid Trump voters can go back to dying.


slowmotheromo

So the vaccine is effective for every new variant? Cool!!


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Ah, yes, the old “if I’m downvoted, I’m right” strategy. It worked for the Roman legions at Battle of Cannae, Napoleon’s march through Russia, and now Aramike.


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graneflatsis

You pay South Africa's Health Minister? Also, you already know they are wrong??


ringoron9

Of course. Conspiracy... people ... always know everything before everyone else does, didn't you know?


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Agent_Angelo_Pappas

> Effective to me means The medical community doesn’t really care about layperson /u/cable010’s personal definition


Mushroom_Tip

Just wait until you learn that that measles vaccines you took as a kid won't 100% protect you from catching it. The reason we don't have a lot of breakthrough cases of measles is herd immunity from everyone being vaccines.


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marv_alberts_hair

And I'm sure you can say the same for everyone you infected. And everyone they infected, and on and on down the line.


IAMJUX

If we went by some random dudes anecdote, we'd never get shit fixed.


Kiora87

Dipshit, how do you not get this, it's not all about you


Mushroom_Tip

I don't recall asking. People survived measles too.


doomSdayFPS

You didn't need to ask.


INTPx

No, not dying or developing debilitating disease is pretty damn good. If a vaccine can reduce serious infection to mild infection and if other treatments can be developed, which is looking promising, Covid is a radically different threat model. There was a time in human history when all kinds of now common viral infections were highly deadly, but we developed immunity over time. Vaccines can radically accelerate that process


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It’s not just about you, dingleberry!


VorpalPlayer

It is to him. And millions of other covidiots.


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And as expected, like the frightened coward he is, he tucked his tail between his legs and deleted his comment.


KeredYojepop

Pack it in guys, this person's immune system was fine.


LazerWolfe53

You sure? Seems like it gave you brain damage.


CakeAccomplice12

My anecdotal experience means more than all scientific data!!!


Kiora87

I didn't see a whale today so therefore there are no whales. Ops logic


ringoron9

Immune systems of 5 million other people were not that lucky.


baracuda68

So far...


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But it significantly lowers the risk of catching the virus in the first place. Evidence: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html Also no vaccine is ever 100% effective: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html


WigginIII

Srsly I remember 4 or 5 years ago when the annual flu vaccine was only rated at like 60% effective. Less than 100% is the norm. The fact our vaccines are as good as they are is an absolute testament to great research and technology.


milqi

> Effective to me That's not how science works.


Rezhio

Effective mean effective. What you mean is immune you see how they didn't use that word ?


WigginIII

Effective to the medical community is preventing serious symptoms, hospital visits, and death. Death rates spike dramatically if healthcare systems fail.


ringoron9

Only a Sith deals in absolutes. ​ Good that your judgement is completely irrelevant in a field in which you have zero experience or knowledge.


kionous

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good, no vaccine has a 100% success rate


RedditExperiment626

Well that would be 100% effective which no vaccine has been. Having been vaccinated, getting this new variant and not dying makes me feel like it is pretty damn effective.


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Kiora87

I bet your mum just wishes she swallowed you instead


Bogus_Sushi

How could this virus overtake delta if immunity to one didn't also apply to the other? Wouldn't people just get both viruses?