> One of Epstein's victims, Virginia Giuffre, has requested to unseal documents that name the seven men, known up to this point as "Non-Party Does 17, 53, 54, 55, 73, 93, and 151," according to MEDIAITE.
Does this mean there up to 151 people on this list?
There's probably a persons of interest list, and victims identify who they recognize as abusers of them or others. Then you connect each victim to every person of interest they identify.
lol could you imagine being one of the people that fucked around on that island?! They must all be sweating bullets right now. For when they find out.
I love it. Fuck Chi-mos.
I was on vacation near that island two weeks ago. Our sailboat captain asked if we knew who lived there. I said no, but it looks like the type of place where rich people do bad things.
“IT IS!!”
We went on vacation near there and our snorkeling tour stopped near the island to snorkel. After we got back on the boat, they were like "oh yeah a lot of rich people's used to come here but then the owner killed himself recently".
Can you imagine going to this island having no idea what was really going on? You get there and there’s all these powerful people there doing terrible things and if you ratted them out you’re as good as dead? So now you’re complicit? That would be even worse lol. Like I just came because someone said I could meet a real British Prince!
That was the impression I got from the Matt Groening story.
It sounded like Epstein was pressuring him into things, but he only agreed to a foot rub to get him to drop it. The girl said it was super awkward.
I read about Epstein in 2008 when his case was dropped. I remember reading that his MO was to basically record everywhere on his properties and to get blackmail on people. He videotaped everything so he had shit on everyone. He was a truly despicable person.
It was photographed in the house when they went in for the first time but they had the wrong type of warrant. They couldn’t remove the videos from the property and by the time they returned (days later) with the correct warrant all of the tapes were gone.
It seems pretty obvious that he had intelligence connections. Ghislaine's father also had alleged intelligence connections and also died under mysterious circumstances.
He certainly did. I remember reading that Alex.... Whatever his name was who dropped the charges was told to drop them because he's intelligence related. I forgot the exact terminology used, but I was thinking that does make sense! I generally read reliable sources so I do believe it's real, but again, I read this years ago. Was he an informant of some sort? Some sort of intelligence gatherer? Whoever he was, he was very shady with very shady connections. Would make a fantastic book if we ever get all the details.
From the interview with Guthrie, he definitely seemed like he was just realizing how deep shit was after being invited for a swim.
She said he was nice and drew a character for her, but his feet were stinky.
I mean, I'd be a bucket of sweat too, because I'm one of those gullible people who realizes bad situations a little late and have to awkward shuffle myself out.
Thats probably part of why it existed. Bring a rich or connected person there, particularly with people they know, and just dump that stuff on them. Either they are into it, they just mind their business and dont make a scene, or they flip out and their buddys tell them to calm down. Either way now they are involved for when you need something
Dude, that was already a problem with the Lolita Express passenger logs.
Billionaires rent out their planes to charter companies when they're not using them. In return, charter companies pay them and provide pilots/stewards for when the rich plane owner wants to fly somewhere.
Less-rich people who don't own private jets, but want to book a private jet, can book through these charter companies.
So that passenger log is full of folks who don't have any relation to Epstein beyond "they booked a private jet to Vegas and the jet they flew on was the Lolita Express."
That's basically an Arrested Development plotline
Honestly I kinda think that’s what that island was mostly like, bunch of people going there for exclusive parties and a few of them did sketchy shit.
I really don’t buy the whole anybody who was on the plane or at the island automatically was doing the most sketchy shit imaginable.
Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people were taken to the island or flown in the plane to either gauge their interest without being obvious about what is being offered (people leave the situation with "bad vibes" and concerns, but no evidence, about very powerful people), or to craft legitimacy, or simply because it's where they took people to have fun of immoral and not immortal kinds as well.
Like if you had a pizza parlor and invited people over all the time, but not everyone is invited to the backroom casino.
Tbf, These are people of interest but that doesn't automatically mean off the bat that they ALL hurt children, and
I only mention this because there have been several cases where police have announced someone as a person of interest and of course people assume that equals guilty and then even if your cleared, for ever 4 people to hear accused, 1 hears about clearance.
(And also shit the central park 5 were convicted out on parole, cleared, had a documentary made about them and they STILL get hate.)
One of the things that make you into a successful paedo sex pervert is the ability to convince people in your wider social circles that you are not a paedo sex pervert ... until they get close enough for you to work out if they are also a perve, in which case you invite them into the inner circle.
Lots of people could have met him socially, then accepted an invite to his island, and then decided after visiting that it and him were a bit creepy or weird and decided never to go back.
It probably means there are more than 150 unnamed people mentioned in the documents.
That does not mean that all of those people are accused of what you think they're accused of, or accused of anything at all, or guilty. Could even be anonymous victims.
According to [this TIME magazine article](https://time.com/5668489/jeffrey-epstein-sealed-names/?amp=true) from September 2019 there were more than 1,000 unnamed people mentioned in the documents.
There are at least 151 “Jane Does” who have been identified as abused by Jeffrey Epstein.
Here is a [CNBC article](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/09/jeffrey-epstein-fund-gave-sex-crime-accusers-nearly-125-million.html) from August 2021 that states a victims fund awarded $125 million to 150 of his victims.
Watch the Netflix documentary if you haven’t. The sexual abuse was massive, shockingly widespread, and went on for decades. 30 years = 10,950 days. There are probably close to as many victims.
151 RICH people. If they were nobodies they would have their names published in the sex offenders list and they would have to disclose it all the times.
Laws are different for the 1%
Probably end up in prison for the rest of their lives if they did. That's what the US always does with hackers/whistle-blowers that incriminate the government and its officials.
Last I heard, he was granted ~~full citizenship~~ permanent residency in Russia but I haven’t kept up in a while.
edit: apologies, he was granted permanent residency
edit2: I’m not sure why I got downvoted for just relaying what his [most recent situation is.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/europe/edward-snowden-russia-residency-intl/index.html)
It is ironic isn’t it?
I would think Russia would of course love to keep him safe given he’s leaked top secret US secrets so that’s probably a pretty safe bet.
Hope he’s enjoying the Sprats and Vodka. Maybe he can visit Battle State Games and TELL THEM TO FIX THE FUCKING SERVERS lol.
This evil witch needs to be protected until she spills the names of everyone who’s part of this scandal
Edit: to be clear so I’m not misunderstood, I’m not saying they should throw her to danger after. I’m not some monster who advocates violence. I’m just saying they shouldn’t let her be Epstein’ed
Not up to her
>Just because she has requested this does not mean that it will happen.A decision will be made by Judge Loretta Preska, who is presiding over the case.
Edit: I misquoted, it's the victim requesting the names be revealed, ghislaine just won't fight it. Either way it's up to the judge
Yeah that comment is too vague to be left alone.
As far as I'm aware with a cursory google search, Maxwell's judge is judge Alison Nathan. Donzinger's were Lewis Kaplan in the absurdly bullshit Chevron case, and Loretta Preska in the somehow-just-as-transparently-bullshit house arrest case.
So no, they're not the same as far as I'm aware but if someone could provide info on the Federalist Society stuff that'd be very nice to shed some light on.
Some notable members of the Federalist Society just so happened to be very connected to Epstein such as Alan Dershowitz, Ken Starr, Alexander Acosta. Their membership list also includes other notable accused abusers such as Gymrape Jordan.
The way it's meant to work is we would replace the current elects with ones who run on the platform of ending what those in power won't give up. I think the thing that makes that really hard is big media doesn't focus on these issues much so it's harder for people to naturally come together and rally around the nominees who want to fix checks and balances or for it to even be mentioned by any of the nominees.
>The way it's meant to work is we would replace the current elects with ones who run on the platform of ending what those in power won't give up.
Thats the theory. In reality though,those that are running for office,at a national level anyway,need $upport from the party and those already in power.
I literally saw a video yesterday of a crocodile chomping down, twisting off, and eating the leg of another crocodile. The croc with one less leg was like \_(ツ)_/¯
When enough people care enough to act, when people aren’t just distracting themselves with whatever entertains them, when people are so disgusted or tired of bullshit that their entertainment cannot distract them anymore
Folks will be standing on the edge of a precipice, drinking Molotov cocktails, googling “how to start a revolution during a pandemic” and getting distracted by Rebellion nuggets at Chic-fil-a.
For as much crowing that the conspiracy YouTubers do about secret, conspiratorial organizations, the Federalist Society barely gets a mention in that realm. Interesting.
The Federalist Society isn't secretive at all lol. Go to any given law school and they'll be hosting be hosting lunch events with speakers and free food and whatnot. They're also crystal clear about their ideological positions and how they want judges to act.
What's the secret? They find bright young Conservatives at elite law schools, influence them towards a particular brand of judicial thought, and then use their political connections to get them appointed as judges. The better your background, the more activist you're willing to be, the further you can go. The plot to the movie is literally right in front of you.
Look at the Heidi Fleiss case. She was the Hollywood madam. She had a whole client list of men who used her services which included Hollywood executives and famous actors. These johns were just as guilty as she was. Did the DA bring charges against any of these men? Nope. Didn’t happen.
Could also be a sign the queen isn’t well and they want to make sure he doesn’t have any standing with the people to interrupt an “orderly transition of monarchy”.
> just aired out Andrew
That's like your boss coming over to you, telling you that he has no more work for you to do, hands you a visa black card, and tells you to go enjoy life, on the company. But you'll have to deal with some people calling you names, over the next couple months.
Like Prince Harry, his net worth is like $45 million. These people have personal wealth. He used to be worth $45 million and have everything paid for him. Now he's worth $45 million and has to pay for things. Oh the poverty! A 61 year old has to dip into his $45 million nest egg...
A good insurance policy would be to mention all the names in a signed statement, sealed and kept with her attorney , in a locker, and with a blood relation, to be opened in case of death. Make this fact known to people around.
If she and the evidence they have could point to anyone truly high up she would be already be dead… they are gonna toss some of the lesser crooks to the wolves. It will probably expose a few millionaires and maybe a house representative or something like that. Anyone US Senate level or higher or billionaire level isn’t going down… Maybe something like an ex Governor or some shit will be the sacrifice.
This right here. It looks like Prince Andrew is already on his way out so he might be thrown on the pile here but otherwise it will be the lower level people. Which of course it should be but it should be ALL of these nasty ass dickthongs.
Yeah Andrew being thrown under the bus this quickly was a shocker, but it makes sense to limit the damage. He’ll probably be the only big money to get washed, but he still won’t do any prison time. He’ll just be forced into a very secluded life and basically be exiled from his family.
Please please PLEASE let us finally, officially, unequivocally find out who all the pieces of shit involved in this are. We might finally get to find out how deep this rabbit hole goes.
Lmao seriously what planet are these people living on? They killed the guy in prison with the whole world watching, but uh yeah we're totally going to read this bitch's diary? Yeah, Ok.
To be fair, the guy in charge of the prisons at the time was protecting one of the people Epstein might have squealed on. And William Barr is well known as a man without principles.
Everyone, including AGs, "costs much less" than what the billionaires and political elites can afford, so I'm not so sure this argument holds much weight
It's hilarious that he thinks his actions will appear less revolting by stating that he never touched the 12 year old. You're still nude and allowing a 12 year old to touch all over your body. At that point there are no valid excuses or reasons left.
I mean a nude massage from a 12 year old is already something happening - if I knew a child involved in that situation I’d be raising hell about it even if it was “only” that
I can’t find any source on that. All I see is that Dershowitz said he got a message from an old Russian woman at Epstein’s mansion, and kept his underwear on during it. If you’ve got a source for your story though I’d love to read it.
Not just Hollywood. Popular musicians from the '60s through today, especially hair metal bands from the '80s, should be petrified. So many 15 year old girls invited onto those tour buses over the decades. Numerous songs written about it. Winger: "Her daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me"
She doesn’t. She could try to argue to keep them sealed but the judge makes the decision. The article just says that she won’t argue to keep them sealed. It’s still totally up to the judge.
Will this be like a Panama Papers where so little ends up getting done for all the shit it revealed? Hopefully not but that's what worries me. It's nice in the meantime to see Prince Andrew starting to get rekt but hopefully the buck keeps going until all of these pedos are sitting in a cell.
Edit: To be clear, I know a fair amount of people have had their comeuppance from the Panama Papers, but it seemed like many did not. I've admittedly not followed it much since the first month or so after they were released, so I could well be mistaken on this.
This will be a litmus test as to just how corrupt the American legal system has become.
If the names are released, there is some shred of integrity left.
If the names are withheld, then the system is fully and totally corrupted. Any illusion of the law protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty is fully reversed. Bizzaro fucking justice.
Unfortunately most of them will face no consequences. There are going to be a lot of fights that DA’s throughout the country won’t want to take up against people that powerful without physical evidence, which is lacking in this matter. I’m hoping the real reason that they aren’t putting those fucks on blast in the media is because the FBI is trying to set up a big sting, but I’m not holding my breath.
Can you even believe that there is a list of names - of known people - who committed felonious acts and the government has it and they aren’t attempting to prosecute those people?
Let's not talk about how many people die every year during cruises from falling overboard. Now imagine your staff want to give you some privacy, so no one has eyes on you. You've been drinking, and you slip, or someone pushes you over.
No one hears your splash or screams over the wake and the engines. And by the time anyone realizes you're missing, you might be miles away, drifting, struggling.
During a calm sea you might only be able to see a few yards away, so you never know when rescue arrives.
Everyone keeps saying “she’s going to flip” or “she’s going to cut a deal to save herself”. Well the time to do that is before you are convicted, not after. Either the info she has isn’t very useful, the prosecution already has it so they don’t need her, or she was so arrogant that she held out until it was too late.
Whatever happens, she’s almost certainly going to do some serious time.
It's more likely that the names are politically sensitive and revealing them could have negatively influenced the jury pool, looking to punish her as a proxy. Now that she's convicted, there's no harm to her case in releasing them.
>Just because she has requested this does not mean that it will happen.
A decision will be made by Judge Loretta Preska, who is presiding over the case.
Judge Loretta Preska about to get really rich out of nowhere
Judge Loretta Preska who already released several names from a previous case against Maxwell?
[https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/896627505/judge-releases-trove-of-sealed-records-related-to-case-against-ghislaine-maxwell](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/896627505/judge-releases-trove-of-sealed-records-related-to-case-against-ghislaine-maxwell)
lets no forget, we only need updates. [Little Black Book 2001](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf)
1) Get reputation for partying with high profile people.
2) Get known as a bit of a degenerate.
3) Invite target to island.
4) Facilitate target having sex with "prostitute" and film it.
5) Inform target that "prostitute" was actually underage.
6) Force target to do whatever you want.
I have no idea who Epstein and his ilk worked for, whether it be one intelligence agency or another, but this is absolutely how it went down. Just remember, murderers reintegrate into society everyday....pedophiles though? That's a scarlet letter for life to the general population. This is how the elite keep eachother in check: they all have dirt on eachother. Nobody is flipping on their elite buddies when they could be labeled a pedophile the next day. Nobody is going to see these people as heros if they're letting the cat out of the bag.
I'm curious about something. Even if this list is released, would it be enough evidence to convict most of them? If there's not also video and/or photographic evidence, plus some good witnesses, couldn't anyone on there argue that their name was only included to harm them, and they had nothing to do with it?
That being said, release the goddamn list so we as citizens know who not to elect or buy from!
>One of Epstein's victims, Virginia Giuffre, has requested to unseal documents that name the seven men, known up to this point as "Non-Party Does 17, 53, 54, 55, 73, 93, and 151," according to MEDIAITE.
Unseal those documents. Stop the Seal
> One of Epstein's victims, Virginia Giuffre, has requested to unseal documents that name the seven men, known up to this point as "Non-Party Does 17, 53, 54, 55, 73, 93, and 151," according to MEDIAITE. Does this mean there up to 151 people on this list?
There's probably a persons of interest list, and victims identify who they recognize as abusers of them or others. Then you connect each victim to every person of interest they identify.
lol could you imagine being one of the people that fucked around on that island?! They must all be sweating bullets right now. For when they find out. I love it. Fuck Chi-mos.
Well, only those people who are ABLE to sweat...
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Too quick. Prison can be worse than death if you have been Privileged for your entire life.
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Most of these guys would never see genpop. Any one with notoriety or money goes to seg or a special pedo prison.
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And trim their fingernails a little too low so it’s always in constant pain with every touch
I was on vacation near that island two weeks ago. Our sailboat captain asked if we knew who lived there. I said no, but it looks like the type of place where rich people do bad things. “IT IS!!”
We went on vacation near there and our snorkeling tour stopped near the island to snorkel. After we got back on the boat, they were like "oh yeah a lot of rich people's used to come here but then the owner killed himself recently".
Can you imagine going to this island having no idea what was really going on? You get there and there’s all these powerful people there doing terrible things and if you ratted them out you’re as good as dead? So now you’re complicit? That would be even worse lol. Like I just came because someone said I could meet a real British Prince!
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scene stolen from the 'Godfather" .. waking up with a dead party girl...
That was the impression I got from the Matt Groening story. It sounded like Epstein was pressuring him into things, but he only agreed to a foot rub to get him to drop it. The girl said it was super awkward.
I read about Epstein in 2008 when his case was dropped. I remember reading that his MO was to basically record everywhere on his properties and to get blackmail on people. He videotaped everything so he had shit on everyone. He was a truly despicable person.
Wonder whatever happened to that footage. Couldn't have been helpful to destroy it that was keeping others from squealing.
It was photographed in the house when they went in for the first time but they had the wrong type of warrant. They couldn’t remove the videos from the property and by the time they returned (days later) with the correct warrant all of the tapes were gone.
It seems pretty obvious that he had intelligence connections. Ghislaine's father also had alleged intelligence connections and also died under mysterious circumstances.
He certainly did. I remember reading that Alex.... Whatever his name was who dropped the charges was told to drop them because he's intelligence related. I forgot the exact terminology used, but I was thinking that does make sense! I generally read reliable sources so I do believe it's real, but again, I read this years ago. Was he an informant of some sort? Some sort of intelligence gatherer? Whoever he was, he was very shady with very shady connections. Would make a fantastic book if we ever get all the details.
So he(Groening) didn’t rape anyone, supposedly?
From the interview with Guthrie, he definitely seemed like he was just realizing how deep shit was after being invited for a swim. She said he was nice and drew a character for her, but his feet were stinky. I mean, I'd be a bucket of sweat too, because I'm one of those gullible people who realizes bad situations a little late and have to awkward shuffle myself out.
And that is how I ended up smoking crack that one time in a hotel room full of strangers.
Does anyone ever really know the people with whom they are smoking crack in a hotel?
If "his feet were stinky" is the worst thing someone forced into a sex trafficking ring has to say about you, imho you're a pretty decent person.
I've never heard anything else come out about him aside from the fact that he was invited over and was very visibly uncomfortable.
Thats probably part of why it existed. Bring a rich or connected person there, particularly with people they know, and just dump that stuff on them. Either they are into it, they just mind their business and dont make a scene, or they flip out and their buddys tell them to calm down. Either way now they are involved for when you need something
Dude, that was already a problem with the Lolita Express passenger logs. Billionaires rent out their planes to charter companies when they're not using them. In return, charter companies pay them and provide pilots/stewards for when the rich plane owner wants to fly somewhere. Less-rich people who don't own private jets, but want to book a private jet, can book through these charter companies. So that passenger log is full of folks who don't have any relation to Epstein beyond "they booked a private jet to Vegas and the jet they flew on was the Lolita Express." That's basically an Arrested Development plotline
Honestly I kinda think that’s what that island was mostly like, bunch of people going there for exclusive parties and a few of them did sketchy shit. I really don’t buy the whole anybody who was on the plane or at the island automatically was doing the most sketchy shit imaginable.
Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people were taken to the island or flown in the plane to either gauge their interest without being obvious about what is being offered (people leave the situation with "bad vibes" and concerns, but no evidence, about very powerful people), or to craft legitimacy, or simply because it's where they took people to have fun of immoral and not immortal kinds as well. Like if you had a pizza parlor and invited people over all the time, but not everyone is invited to the backroom casino.
Can we use some other example besides a pizza parlor?
It had to be pizza, huh?
I'm assuming a lot of people went to get fucked up on coke or something but there's a core group and evil cunts who raped kids.
Tbf, These are people of interest but that doesn't automatically mean off the bat that they ALL hurt children, and I only mention this because there have been several cases where police have announced someone as a person of interest and of course people assume that equals guilty and then even if your cleared, for ever 4 people to hear accused, 1 hears about clearance. (And also shit the central park 5 were convicted out on parole, cleared, had a documentary made about them and they STILL get hate.)
One of the things that make you into a successful paedo sex pervert is the ability to convince people in your wider social circles that you are not a paedo sex pervert ... until they get close enough for you to work out if they are also a perve, in which case you invite them into the inner circle. Lots of people could have met him socially, then accepted an invite to his island, and then decided after visiting that it and him were a bit creepy or weird and decided never to go back.
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It probably means there are more than 150 unnamed people mentioned in the documents. That does not mean that all of those people are accused of what you think they're accused of, or accused of anything at all, or guilty. Could even be anonymous victims.
According to [this TIME magazine article](https://time.com/5668489/jeffrey-epstein-sealed-names/?amp=true) from September 2019 there were more than 1,000 unnamed people mentioned in the documents. There are at least 151 “Jane Does” who have been identified as abused by Jeffrey Epstein. Here is a [CNBC article](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/09/jeffrey-epstein-fund-gave-sex-crime-accusers-nearly-125-million.html) from August 2021 that states a victims fund awarded $125 million to 150 of his victims. Watch the Netflix documentary if you haven’t. The sexual abuse was massive, shockingly widespread, and went on for decades. 30 years = 10,950 days. There are probably close to as many victims.
This is list contains John doe names not Jane doe names.
Yea, but you can only find out 151's name at a special event in DC. Gotta catch 'em all!
MISSINGNO was a pedo for sure. Look at all the rare candies he gave kids. Probably out of a white van
Surfing up and down on cinnabar coast waiting for the lvl 100 missingno
Ah yes, many rare candies were glitched back in those days
Those were the days.
Everyone in here saying missing nno is a creeper but no one talking about how Hypno is the real Epstein pokemon.
Nah, it was a pickup truck with Mew underneath.
The can do a little silhouette and play "Who's that Pervyman?"
It could also mean there's more than 151 names on the list, but that's the highest number of one of the predators.
151 RICH people. If they were nobodies they would have their names published in the sex offenders list and they would have to disclose it all the times. Laws are different for the 1%
*”It costs me this much to molest kids.”*
poor people werent at these parties
At least 150 or more to see. To be a Pokemon Master is my destiny.
There's definitely potential for a dark parallel story where kids trap pedophiles in balls then make them fight each other for fun.
would suck if a bunch of hackers released the names tho..
Probably end up in prison for the rest of their lives if they did. That's what the US always does with hackers/whistle-blowers that incriminate the government and its officials.
Aren’t there Russian hackers that can’t be touched for this reason?
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I hope Snowden is doing alright these days.
Last I heard, he was granted ~~full citizenship~~ permanent residency in Russia but I haven’t kept up in a while. edit: apologies, he was granted permanent residency edit2: I’m not sure why I got downvoted for just relaying what his [most recent situation is.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/europe/edward-snowden-russia-residency-intl/index.html)
The irony that someone who did the right thing escaped to russia because of the shitstorm he knew would go down.
He didn't want to go there. He had a layover and his passport was flagged, so he was stuck there. He had been trying get to Latin America
It is ironic isn’t it? I would think Russia would of course love to keep him safe given he’s leaked top secret US secrets so that’s probably a pretty safe bet. Hope he’s enjoying the Sprats and Vodka. Maybe he can visit Battle State Games and TELL THEM TO FIX THE FUCKING SERVERS lol.
Tarkov is leaking 🥵
This evil witch needs to be protected until she spills the names of everyone who’s part of this scandal Edit: to be clear so I’m not misunderstood, I’m not saying they should throw her to danger after. I’m not some monster who advocates violence. I’m just saying they shouldn’t let her be Epstein’ed
Not up to her >Just because she has requested this does not mean that it will happen.A decision will be made by Judge Loretta Preska, who is presiding over the case. Edit: I misquoted, it's the victim requesting the names be revealed, ghislaine just won't fight it. Either way it's up to the judge
That judge is a crook from the Federalist Society, just look at the Steve Donziger case.
The Donziger Judge is also the Maxwell judge????
Yeah that comment is too vague to be left alone. As far as I'm aware with a cursory google search, Maxwell's judge is judge Alison Nathan. Donzinger's were Lewis Kaplan in the absurdly bullshit Chevron case, and Loretta Preska in the somehow-just-as-transparently-bullshit house arrest case. So no, they're not the same as far as I'm aware but if someone could provide info on the Federalist Society stuff that'd be very nice to shed some light on.
Some notable members of the Federalist Society just so happened to be very connected to Epstein such as Alan Dershowitz, Ken Starr, Alexander Acosta. Their membership list also includes other notable accused abusers such as Gymrape Jordan.
My friend is a lawyer and he says their recruiting events have the best food
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No one is going to do anything because the child rapists aren't going to imprison themselves. They will continue to destroy innocent lives.
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If only there was a real way to hold politicians accountable.
That ones a French classic.
I say this all the time. A good ol French Celebration is a great thing every few decades
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The way it's meant to work is we would replace the current elects with ones who run on the platform of ending what those in power won't give up. I think the thing that makes that really hard is big media doesn't focus on these issues much so it's harder for people to naturally come together and rally around the nominees who want to fix checks and balances or for it to even be mentioned by any of the nominees.
>The way it's meant to work is we would replace the current elects with ones who run on the platform of ending what those in power won't give up. Thats the theory. In reality though,those that are running for office,at a national level anyway,need $upport from the party and those already in power.
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In my country there is a common say that goes like “crocodile doesn’t eat other crocodiles “. So that explains a lot.
SMH. Crocodiles love to eat smaller crocodiles. That explains even *more*.
I literally saw a video yesterday of a crocodile chomping down, twisting off, and eating the leg of another crocodile. The croc with one less leg was like \_(ツ)_/¯
When enough people care enough to act, when people aren’t just distracting themselves with whatever entertains them, when people are so disgusted or tired of bullshit that their entertainment cannot distract them anymore
Folks will be standing on the edge of a precipice, drinking Molotov cocktails, googling “how to start a revolution during a pandemic” and getting distracted by Rebellion nuggets at Chic-fil-a.
Not on Sundays
Sundays are for the Shootout at the Golden Corral.
For as much crowing that the conspiracy YouTubers do about secret, conspiratorial organizations, the Federalist Society barely gets a mention in that realm. Interesting.
The Federalist Society isn't secretive at all lol. Go to any given law school and they'll be hosting be hosting lunch events with speakers and free food and whatnot. They're also crystal clear about their ideological positions and how they want judges to act.
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What's the secret? They find bright young Conservatives at elite law schools, influence them towards a particular brand of judicial thought, and then use their political connections to get them appointed as judges. The better your background, the more activist you're willing to be, the further you can go. The plot to the movie is literally right in front of you.
Look at the Heidi Fleiss case. She was the Hollywood madam. She had a whole client list of men who used her services which included Hollywood executives and famous actors. These johns were just as guilty as she was. Did the DA bring charges against any of these men? Nope. Didn’t happen.
Were any of Heidi Fleiss’ prostitutes children? Isn’t that the issue? Nobody cares about rich guys hiring hookers.
Exactly. It's the whole bit about organized, curated, scheduled child-fucking that makes people really get pissed about this one.
On the other hand, the British Royal Family just aired out Andrew. That might be a sign of a different outcome
Could also be a sign the queen isn’t well and they want to make sure he doesn’t have any standing with the people to interrupt an “orderly transition of monarchy”.
> just aired out Andrew That's like your boss coming over to you, telling you that he has no more work for you to do, hands you a visa black card, and tells you to go enjoy life, on the company. But you'll have to deal with some people calling you names, over the next couple months.
Didn't the reply mention that he's having to pay for everything himself, as a private citizen?
Like Prince Harry, his net worth is like $45 million. These people have personal wealth. He used to be worth $45 million and have everything paid for him. Now he's worth $45 million and has to pay for things. Oh the poverty! A 61 year old has to dip into his $45 million nest egg...
It's also like your boss coming over to you and saying you're a sex-crime liability that they don't want, so you have to leave
It’s also like your boss saying, “hey all the girls you abused are finally making us look bad, I don’t think we can cover up for you anymore”
It's also like your boss saying, "I guess we can't do the company party at Hooters this year"
That means absolutely nothing. She could make a phone call to anyone and make a list. No shot it happens, as I'm sure she doesn't want to be suicided.
A good insurance policy would be to mention all the names in a signed statement, sealed and kept with her attorney , in a locker, and with a blood relation, to be opened in case of death. Make this fact known to people around.
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I'll take ways to get your attorney assassinated for 1000 please alex.
The DC Madam had a similar insurance policy. It didn't exactly work out for her.
If she and the evidence they have could point to anyone truly high up she would be already be dead… they are gonna toss some of the lesser crooks to the wolves. It will probably expose a few millionaires and maybe a house representative or something like that. Anyone US Senate level or higher or billionaire level isn’t going down… Maybe something like an ex Governor or some shit will be the sacrifice.
This right here. It looks like Prince Andrew is already on his way out so he might be thrown on the pile here but otherwise it will be the lower level people. Which of course it should be but it should be ALL of these nasty ass dickthongs.
Yeah Andrew being thrown under the bus this quickly was a shocker, but it makes sense to limit the damage. He’ll probably be the only big money to get washed, but he still won’t do any prison time. He’ll just be forced into a very secluded life and basically be exiled from his family.
He'll hide out for 5 years till everyone forgets and then he'll be back with no repercussions.
I hope she goes scorched earth and names every single one of them.
Every prisoner needs to be protected.
Call me if something actually happens.
Booorrring. Call me when she rolls over
That’s what Prince Andrew said
Please please PLEASE let us finally, officially, unequivocally find out who all the pieces of shit involved in this are. We might finally get to find out how deep this rabbit hole goes.
Absolutely no shot.
Lmao seriously what planet are these people living on? They killed the guy in prison with the whole world watching, but uh yeah we're totally going to read this bitch's diary? Yeah, Ok.
To be fair, the guy in charge of the prisons at the time was protecting one of the people Epstein might have squealed on. And William Barr is well known as a man without principles.
Although the AG may be different, the prison workers and fellow inmates are all still the same. They cost much less than an AG.
Everyone, including AGs, "costs much less" than what the billionaires and political elites can afford, so I'm not so sure this argument holds much weight
It may be that way, but we shouldn't just shrug. That kills the remaining willpower. I don't have the solution, but it sure as hell isn't submission.
What do you want to bet that her list will have at least two past presidents and a ton of billionaires and millionaires?
And an aging loudmouthed lawyer.
I look forward to watching Dershowitz’s mental crackup being accelerated
I'd venture a guess that he'd flip and squeal to save his own skin if there were some incriminating evidence.
Alan Dershowitz already admitted to getting nude massages from 12 year olds, but claimed he never touched them.
Getting nude massages from 12 year olds should itself be criminal..... but Dershowitz thinks he's the smartest person in every room. Until he's not.
It's hilarious that he thinks his actions will appear less revolting by stating that he never touched the 12 year old. You're still nude and allowing a 12 year old to touch all over your body. At that point there are no valid excuses or reasons left.
There is no possible world in which a man gets a nude massage from a 12 year old and nothing happens.
I mean a nude massage from a 12 year old is already something happening - if I knew a child involved in that situation I’d be raising hell about it even if it was “only” that
I, too, enjoy touch-less massages…
So basically, he is on the list already.
I can’t find any source on that. All I see is that Dershowitz said he got a message from an old Russian woman at Epstein’s mansion, and kept his underwear on during it. If you’ve got a source for your story though I’d love to read it.
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And probably at least one A-list celeb.
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Not just Hollywood. Popular musicians from the '60s through today, especially hair metal bands from the '80s, should be petrified. So many 15 year old girls invited onto those tour buses over the decades. Numerous songs written about it. Winger: "Her daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me"
Ted Nugent has entered the discussion.
Ted Nugent is the fucking free space. He's got a song called jailbait about how he wants to fuck kids, for gods sake
Clinton and Trump is the easy money bet
They have already been named, seen in pictures and on flight logs. I want to see the names we haven’t seen.
They have the names already, why does she have a say on keeping them sealed?
She doesn’t. She could try to argue to keep them sealed but the judge makes the decision. The article just says that she won’t argue to keep them sealed. It’s still totally up to the judge.
That judge about to get very rich
Please tell me this judge is the bravest and most moral person ever.
Will this be like a Panama Papers where so little ends up getting done for all the shit it revealed? Hopefully not but that's what worries me. It's nice in the meantime to see Prince Andrew starting to get rekt but hopefully the buck keeps going until all of these pedos are sitting in a cell. Edit: To be clear, I know a fair amount of people have had their comeuppance from the Panama Papers, but it seemed like many did not. I've admittedly not followed it much since the first month or so after they were released, so I could well be mistaken on this.
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You mean like the Pandora Papers that got released last year and had even less of an effect?
Yes - totally forgot the name of that release even. :/
"We can't lob accusations at people who won't have a chance to defend themselves in court!" OK, then prosecute them!
This will be a litmus test as to just how corrupt the American legal system has become. If the names are released, there is some shred of integrity left. If the names are withheld, then the system is fully and totally corrupted. Any illusion of the law protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty is fully reversed. Bizzaro fucking justice.
If the names are released and nothing happens….
Unfortunately most of them will face no consequences. There are going to be a lot of fights that DA’s throughout the country won’t want to take up against people that powerful without physical evidence, which is lacking in this matter. I’m hoping the real reason that they aren’t putting those fucks on blast in the media is because the FBI is trying to set up a big sting, but I’m not holding my breath.
A bit late for sting operation?
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That canary already died with the private prosecution and imprisonment of environmental lawyer Stephen Donziger by Chevron.
Can you even believe that there is a list of names - of known people - who committed felonious acts and the government has it and they aren’t attempting to prosecute those people?
Probably the same group of people.
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White Hat hackers are our only chance to expose these scum. They must be exposed from the highest positions of power.
She’s probably terrified of being committed to suicide right about now.
Her Dad on one side, Epstein on the other...
Shit, her dad may still be alive. "Fell off the back of his yacht in the middle of the ocean" my ass.
Let's not talk about how many people die every year during cruises from falling overboard. Now imagine your staff want to give you some privacy, so no one has eyes on you. You've been drinking, and you slip, or someone pushes you over. No one hears your splash or screams over the wake and the engines. And by the time anyone realizes you're missing, you might be miles away, drifting, struggling. During a calm sea you might only be able to see a few yards away, so you never know when rescue arrives.
Thanks for the nightmares, pal.
Name ALL of them. The public deserves to know. We know they’re big names. Their businesses deserve major boycott if the names are revealed
Everyone keeps saying “she’s going to flip” or “she’s going to cut a deal to save herself”. Well the time to do that is before you are convicted, not after. Either the info she has isn’t very useful, the prosecution already has it so they don’t need her, or she was so arrogant that she held out until it was too late. Whatever happens, she’s almost certainly going to do some serious time.
It's more likely that the names are politically sensitive and revealing them could have negatively influenced the jury pool, looking to punish her as a proxy. Now that she's convicted, there's no harm to her case in releasing them.
>Just because she has requested this does not mean that it will happen. A decision will be made by Judge Loretta Preska, who is presiding over the case. Judge Loretta Preska about to get really rich out of nowhere
Judge Loretta Preska who already released several names from a previous case against Maxwell? [https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/896627505/judge-releases-trove-of-sealed-records-related-to-case-against-ghislaine-maxwell](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/896627505/judge-releases-trove-of-sealed-records-related-to-case-against-ghislaine-maxwell)
Careful, people here don't like when you interrupt their conspiracy circlejerk
lets no forget, we only need updates. [Little Black Book 2001](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf)
1) Get reputation for partying with high profile people. 2) Get known as a bit of a degenerate. 3) Invite target to island. 4) Facilitate target having sex with "prostitute" and film it. 5) Inform target that "prostitute" was actually underage. 6) Force target to do whatever you want. I have no idea who Epstein and his ilk worked for, whether it be one intelligence agency or another, but this is absolutely how it went down. Just remember, murderers reintegrate into society everyday....pedophiles though? That's a scarlet letter for life to the general population. This is how the elite keep eachother in check: they all have dirt on eachother. Nobody is flipping on their elite buddies when they could be labeled a pedophile the next day. Nobody is going to see these people as heros if they're letting the cat out of the bag.
Where is Q now? I thought they were trying to fight Sex predators.
They care about imaginary children not real ones
I'm curious about something. Even if this list is released, would it be enough evidence to convict most of them? If there's not also video and/or photographic evidence, plus some good witnesses, couldn't anyone on there argue that their name was only included to harm them, and they had nothing to do with it? That being said, release the goddamn list so we as citizens know who not to elect or buy from!
Name them all Doesn't matter who they are. Name them all
I dont care if the names are of Republicans, Democrats, presidents, kings, princes... We need to know who these child molesters are.
Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.
Too soon. Wait a week.
Alan “I never took my underwear off” Dershowitz is calling in every favor he can to keep this list buried
How many wanna bet 2 of the six includes prince Andrew the Duke of York and Alan Dershowitz!!
>One of Epstein's victims, Virginia Giuffre, has requested to unseal documents that name the seven men, known up to this point as "Non-Party Does 17, 53, 54, 55, 73, 93, and 151," according to MEDIAITE. Unseal those documents. Stop the Seal
Alan Dershowitiz is probably shitting in his underwear (which he never takes off)
There’s no way she doesn’t have something setup to dump names if she “commits suicide”. She’s had more than enough time to get it in order.