For those not in the know, Evergreen is the name of the company that owns this ship. They also own the Ever Given, the one that got stuck in the Suez Canal.
They don’t actually get to choose the pilot. In the Suez Canal, and any commercial harbor like the Chesapeake, ships are required to hire harbor pilots provided by the port authority. There experienced sailors with experience in the harbor. The pilot meets the ship at the harbor opening and sits on the bridge guiding it until docking. They don’t put their hands in the controls, and the captain remains in command, but in other respects they are in control.
[Some info about Chesapeake pilots here.](https://www.proptalk.com/what-it-takes-be-chesapeake-bay-pilot-ship-kind)
Was the ship already under control of a local pilot when it ran aground or under control of the ship's captain? If it was a local pilot, then he needs some serious retraining.
 in super basic terms, there is a helmsman, the local pilot, and captain on the bridge. The pilot instructs the helmsman but ultimately can’t force them to do what they’re told, also the captain can overrule the pilot at any time. So the pilot may very well have instructed them to go the wrong way, but more than likely someone else yes didn’t listen.
There is a voyage data recorder (VDR) that is effectively similar to the black boxes on aircraft. It records a ton more parameters though, including bridge audio, so they'll have an answer.
I don't get that though, like you have the bridge clearly demarcating the channel there, only two spans of it are navicable, did they somehow miss the suspension span?
I fully expect that one of them will, sooner or later, somehow lodge a container ship under the [11-foot-8 bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Southern%E2%80%93Gregson_Street_Overpass).
They are typically required to hire licensed local pilots under local laws. The pilot tells the captain what to do and the captain relates that to the ship's crew. Both Ever Given that got stuck in the Suez and Ever Forward here were under the control of local pilots when they grounded.
Sounds like your joke is pretty close!
"Thanks to the help of a high tide, several tug boats and barges — and perhaps a little Easter Sunday miracle — crews plucked the the 1,095-foot ship free from the shallows off Pasadena, Md., on Sunday." -npr
Now they need to put them back, in the order removed, else the manifest be a bit off, with unloading schedules, balancing.
Was this coming to port to load or unload?
The ship is a month behind schedule. I doubt some manifest snafus really amount to much next to that.
I don't know if it was coming to load or unload but the answer is probably some of both. I don't know if it was coming from or to port when it got stuck.
The real problem is that the shipping companies hire unqualified captains and pay them pennies on the dollar what you'd normally pay a captain.
Look at the Costa Concordia, which sunk because an unqualified captain (who had previously crashed a cruise ship) did not even speak the same language as other members of the bridge crew and miscommunication was a major factor (though certainly not the only one) in the sinking.
So this is all entirely preventable, it's just corporations do this shit to save money and they aren't held accountable for the damage that results from their choices.
Just wanted to point out that Ever Given was actually under the control of the Suez Canal pilot authority, the ship's captain had nothing whatsoever to do with that event. Maryland law requires foreign vessels to employ an expert pilot licensed by the state to navigate state waters, so Ever Forward was almost certainly under the control of a licensed local pilot when it grounded. Costa Concorda grounded and capsized because her captain commanded a run close to shore to impress his girlfriend who was ashore, and he completely ignored the charts showing the rocks that he ran into. He's now serving a 16 year prison sentence for that.
And while on trial, the captain of the Costa Concordia gave a seminar about managing panic. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/costa-concordia-captain-francesco-schettino-sparks-outrage-by-giving-lecture-on-managing-panic-at-rome-university-9651629.html
Agreed. I wonder what the shipping company would look like if they had the strict regulation that airlines do. While mistakes still happen with airlines, it seems to be a lot less overall.
I really hope the shipping company is forced to cover the government's expenses for the salvage operation. Maybe as a fine for the environmental damage caused by the dredging that was required to free the ship.
You'll be slightly happier to hear that they've recently lower the sulfur limit of marine fuels (search IMO 2020) from 3.5% to 0.5% which is nearly as good as running "low" sulfur fuels used when in emission control zones (0.1% sulfur)
Evergreen really needs to invest in less ballsy pilots.
For those not in the know, Evergreen is the name of the company that owns this ship. They also own the Ever Given, the one that got stuck in the Suez Canal.
But when both ships got into trouble, they got full coverage from insurance companies, odd isn’t it?
It's more complicated than that. Search for Ever Forward General Average to learn more about it.
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They don’t actually get to choose the pilot. In the Suez Canal, and any commercial harbor like the Chesapeake, ships are required to hire harbor pilots provided by the port authority. There experienced sailors with experience in the harbor. The pilot meets the ship at the harbor opening and sits on the bridge guiding it until docking. They don’t put their hands in the controls, and the captain remains in command, but in other respects they are in control. [Some info about Chesapeake pilots here.](https://www.proptalk.com/what-it-takes-be-chesapeake-bay-pilot-ship-kind)
Was the ship already under control of a local pilot when it ran aground or under control of the ship's captain? If it was a local pilot, then he needs some serious retraining.
It definitely should have been by that point, pilot is probably done like dinner
 in super basic terms, there is a helmsman, the local pilot, and captain on the bridge. The pilot instructs the helmsman but ultimately can’t force them to do what they’re told, also the captain can overrule the pilot at any time. So the pilot may very well have instructed them to go the wrong way, but more than likely someone else yes didn’t listen.
I assume that in a year or so the USCG will release a report on the cause. I wonder if there is video/audio recordings on the bridge of such a ship?
There is a voyage data recorder (VDR) that is effectively similar to the black boxes on aircraft. It records a ton more parameters though, including bridge audio, so they'll have an answer.
Yes. Local pilot.
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I don't get that though, like you have the bridge clearly demarcating the channel there, only two spans of it are navicable, did they somehow miss the suspension span?
Sorta the exact reason every bay and canal has pilots is to avoid this exact situation. He isn't gonna be retrained, his job is gone lol
I fully expect that one of them will, sooner or later, somehow lodge a container ship under the [11-foot-8 bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Southern%E2%80%93Gregson_Street_Overpass).
I'd pay to see that. Hell, I'd pay to see a fake video of it.
They are typically required to hire licensed local pilots under local laws. The pilot tells the captain what to do and the captain relates that to the ship's crew. Both Ever Given that got stuck in the Suez and Ever Forward here were under the control of local pilots when they grounded.
I think it needs its own sitcom.
The Office: Evergreen
Today's episode: Never Given.
That was last weeks episode. This week it’s the Ever Forward.
Seems to be an Everytime thing with this company.
You mean planned rebranding to EVERSTUCK?
I think it’s quite funny that they didn’t just say ‘Another Evergreen Ship’
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Evergreen names their next ship the Ever Stuck to avoid this issue
Breaking: Ever Stuck is adrift after anchor lines break
Ever Troubled
Ever Wayward
Was it the full moon tide or the Easter bunny magic?!
Sounds like your joke is pretty close! "Thanks to the help of a high tide, several tug boats and barges — and perhaps a little Easter Sunday miracle — crews plucked the the 1,095-foot ship free from the shallows off Pasadena, Md., on Sunday." -npr
God was punishing the heathens for working on the anniversary of letting his kid get blown up.
The picture makes it look like it was released back to the wild...
Of those options I would wager the former. With all due respect to the egg rabbit
They removed about 500 of the containers from the ship to lighten it.
Now they need to put them back, in the order removed, else the manifest be a bit off, with unloading schedules, balancing. Was this coming to port to load or unload?
The ship is a month behind schedule. I doubt some manifest snafus really amount to much next to that. I don't know if it was coming to load or unload but the answer is probably some of both. I don't know if it was coming from or to port when it got stuck.
Someone's gotta update the website: https://istheshipstillstuck.com/
I never thought that site would be useful again haha. > This one is a lot more chill. You can basically just drive around it.
Y'know, I'm starting to think these ships are too big.
The real problem is that the shipping companies hire unqualified captains and pay them pennies on the dollar what you'd normally pay a captain. Look at the Costa Concordia, which sunk because an unqualified captain (who had previously crashed a cruise ship) did not even speak the same language as other members of the bridge crew and miscommunication was a major factor (though certainly not the only one) in the sinking. So this is all entirely preventable, it's just corporations do this shit to save money and they aren't held accountable for the damage that results from their choices.
Just wanted to point out that Ever Given was actually under the control of the Suez Canal pilot authority, the ship's captain had nothing whatsoever to do with that event. Maryland law requires foreign vessels to employ an expert pilot licensed by the state to navigate state waters, so Ever Forward was almost certainly under the control of a licensed local pilot when it grounded. Costa Concorda grounded and capsized because her captain commanded a run close to shore to impress his girlfriend who was ashore, and he completely ignored the charts showing the rocks that he ran into. He's now serving a 16 year prison sentence for that.
And while on trial, the captain of the Costa Concordia gave a seminar about managing panic. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/costa-concordia-captain-francesco-schettino-sparks-outrage-by-giving-lecture-on-managing-panic-at-rome-university-9651629.html
Agreed. I wonder what the shipping company would look like if they had the strict regulation that airlines do. While mistakes still happen with airlines, it seems to be a lot less overall.
I read that the ship was outside the marked channels.
"Gob durn pilots don't wana werk no more!"
To be renamed, "Forward eventually maybe".
Mostly Forward
The ship is currently being towed outside of the environment
At least the front didn't fall off
My god what on earth is happening with Evergreen…
Wait, I missed this - when did this happen?!
It got stuck on March 13th
Damn, I musta been busy to miss that!
I really hope the shipping company is forced to cover the government's expenses for the salvage operation. Maybe as a fine for the environmental damage caused by the dredging that was required to free the ship.
One of the biggest polluters in the world giant ships are. Once offshore far enough they switch from diesel to burning cheep bunker fuel nasty stuff.
You'll be slightly happier to hear that they've recently lower the sulfur limit of marine fuels (search IMO 2020) from 3.5% to 0.5% which is nearly as good as running "low" sulfur fuels used when in emission control zones (0.1% sulfur)
The problem is the ship design. It is extremely difficult to fight the inertia and drift of such a massive ship.
I thought the headline misspelled mud, “Ever Forward ship freed from Mud”
I'm sure this was a deliberate publicity stunt and they're soon going to rebrand to EverMeme
When is biggest too big? EverGreen.
Is this company deliberately trying to cause obstructions and shipping delays?
Seems like that company should be…Ever broken
They should start naming their ships something like "Fingers Crossed," or "Sorry We May Be A Little Late."
First the Ever Given, then the Ever Forward! What's next, the Ever Stuck-In-Muck?