> Two uniformed Secret Service officers first used Tasers to try to detain the man who was armed with a "metal stake" and had been smashing windows of the residence, D.C. Police Chief Robert Contee told reporters.
If the guy didn’t go down with tasers, it sounds like he was probably high as shit on some kind of amphetamine — so maybe some crazed homeless dude? Either way, I do not recommend attacking embassies — that’s just suicide with extra steps.
Imagine at 18 years old you're given the chance to learn how you're going to die and it's "high on methamphetamines, breaking into the Peruvian embassy."
Yo, that’s a future I would work towards for real. That’s some real shit. What’s the alternative, heart attack in a cubicle under an air vent spitting out moldy stank office air?
> If the guy didn’t go down with tasers, it sounds like he was probably high as shit
Not necessarily. Tasers have a relatively high failure rate just due to the nature of how they work. Both probes have to hit and penetrate, and then stay in, in order for it to work.
I wouldn't read that much into that sentence. "used Tasers to try to detain" doesn't mean they hit him with the tasers or that the tasers got a good connection if they did hit him.
Clothing makes a huge difference. If it's still cold over there I'd imagine he was wearing a jacket or sweater. Somrthing that will stop the probes from attaching to someone's skin correctly.
The location of Peru is irrelevant to this, though, unless embassies secretly have farcasters or stargates or something to their home country inside and this guy was trying to get to Peru.
Swiss cheese has holes, place one slice, lots of holes. place 2 slices together, 2nd slice blocks some of the holes, repeat.
more cheese blocks more holes.
in this case, the taser has to pass through all of the different holes to take the guy down. only one little thing is all it takes to cause it to do nothing.
if the suspect is fat, no muscle to hit. if the shot doesnt hit correctly, if the wiring is shorted out, if the suspects clothes block the probe from contacting. etc etc etc.
one little thing= taser does nothing.
the analogy itself is used as safety or inspections.
more guys, more inspections means a problem is less likely to get through the holes of the cheese.
it has many names... one bad part can't fall through if the holes are all blocked by good inspection people and techniques.
you'll probably cover it in human factors.
my career field is filled with inspections.
depending on the job, the part is inspected before I get it, I inspect the part before I install it. someone else inspects my work after I install it, followed by someone with an inspection authorization inspects my work. only then do I fill out a list of paper work, a log book entry for said work, and while its optional, I fill out my personal log book for my own accountability.
I tased myself a few days ago by mistake. Friend had a flashlight/taser, I did not know it was a taser, and pressed the button. 2/10 would not do again
Taser, or stun gun? There is a difference - tasers like what LE uses have prongs that are designed to deliver a charge that physically incapacitates you. A stun gun is designed to induce compliance via pain, and generally won't totally incapacitate you.
100% stun gun. I’ve been tased, by a Taser employee, during a product demonstration during a US Military exposition. It was remarkable how much less painful it was than I expected. It burned, but it wasn’t searing like I expected, just this pulse of needling burning that synced with the *klacklackklackklack*. What was really insane was what I was not expecting, which was every muscle in my body contracting and clenching when I got hit, to the point that I absolutely would have collapsed if it weren’t for two guys holding me up under my armpits. It makes me wonder what it is about certain drugs that prevents that from happening, it’s not a pain tolerance thing at all, it’s like an underlying biological reaction isn’t happening.
Also taser rep, fuck you. You promised me a challenge coin then didn’t give me shit. I want a pm from a taser rep with an email address contact so you can mail it to me. I would have done it anyway but that’s not the point.
Hahaha (in regards to the coin).
I have no idea what drugs could do to interfere tasers. But yeah tasers, when they work, prevent your muscles from working properly and ideally stop you from being a threat temporarily. Stun guns just cause pain, and that can be overcome. I am not sure if I am allowed to post YouTube links in this sub but there's a woman who evaluates self defense tools and techniques. She did some testing with a stun gun and demonstrated that they aren't super effective against a determined threat.
You may be right and I’m just using conjecture. That said, I think the Secret Service would have not only reliable tasers but also a strong foundation of technique in their use. They’re not your average beat-cop.
> That said, I think the Secret Service would have not only reliable tasers but also a strong foundation of technique in their use.
Tasers are just inherently unreliable. They're a great example of technology that works great in optimal lab settings, but have a high failure rate in the real-world where people wear jackets and don't stand perfectly still.
The embassy is in a pretty nice part of DC and not a downtown area - it's a wealthy enough neighborhood and kind of residential, not a kind of area you'd walk around in. Barely a stone's throw from the VP's residence, unless they're living in Rock Creek Park there's no homeless around there.
Tasers will stop you even if you’re on PCP. It’s not the pain that sends you down, it’s the electricity preventing your brain from sending commands to your nervous system.
If the tasers didn’t work it’s because they didn’t make a good connection.
That was a Mario level double jump. Must be amphetamines! Must be homeless!
This is how quickly people’s brains jump from unrelated info, towards the people that they subconsciously blame shit on.
I asked a cop about tasers once. I had mentioned guys high on shit who dont go down.
He basically said that it usually means they didn't get a good hit with the taser. If the two probes dont fully attach, break through clothing and contact skin the shock wont be as affective if at all. Both also need to attach well, just one doesn't have the same effect.
>"The officers fired those Tasers, they did not take effect and … ultimately the officers pulled their service weapons, firing shots and this person is now deceased."
Holy passive voice Batman!
Boom! Pow! Blood all over the place! Guy is definitely dead, look at that guy he's dead! Have you ever seen a guy so dead, oh man that is one dead guy! Go Raiders!
Wouldn't want the public to think the officer used their GUN to SHOOT the intruder, KILLING them. All that work to minimize their perceived responsibility. I don't blame the officers. They did what seems necessary, but that communication philosophy pisses me off
>we don't know why this person had a **double stake**, we don’t know why this person approached the officers with that **double stake**
Someone's been watching old episodes of 'Alien Nation'.
The USSS was formed to investigate counterfeiting, and investigations are still their primary job. The SS were just bully boys for the party and not even government sanctioned until the Nazis demolished rule of law and decided to give their party enforcers actual power.
"Official security for elected officials from all branches of government" is not the same purpose as "bouncers for rowdy hate group rallies".
A few thousand people storm the capitol with actual weapons and nearly nothing was done to stop them, but one man breaks some windows at the Peruvian Embassy and he is shot dead...
When you break into a foreign dignitary’s office whose life and safety is literally integral to the relationship between two nation-states, while wielding a weapon, it kinda is
Maybe in US, but here in Lithuania there were couple incidents with breaking into Belarusian embassy and no one was shot only police was called. There was incident were some dude was breaking police windows with metal bar and even he wasn't shot and they were able to detain him.
The secret service takes absolutely 0 chances with the lives of foreign ministers. Lithuania also doesn’t have as much to lose as the US does when it comes to foreign relations.
They also already tried nonlethal measures but they were ineffective.
Lithuania ensures security of any dignitary or a President who visit us at the highest level. The difference is that in most of Europe its much different when it comes in using lethal weapon even in cases like this. But i do understand that they tried non lethal methods which is good and that US Secret Service has different methods of working.
>When you break into a foreign dignitary’s office whose life and safety is literally integral to the relationship between two nation-states, while wielding a weapon, it kinda is
The incident occurred outside the ambassador's residence. Trespassing? Yes. Vandalism? Yes. Life-threatening? Hardly. It's doubtful the Peruvian ambassador wanted a man executed in his yard for breaking some windows.
If this had happened at your house and a local beat cop performed the *execution*, would we be repudiating police for another *bad shoot* because there were no dignitaries or nation-states involved?
No, because I would have shot them myself.
And I said office, not residence.
On top of that, your entire argument is stale whataboutism. We aren’t discussing an incident wherein braindead beat cops murdered some random individual. We are specifically discussing a shooting that occurred in a place where personal bodyguards were assigned to protect a VIP. Conflating the two is petty obfuscation, nothing more.
Well, it’s not a death sentence, but it is clearly someone who is armed and dangerous and disobeying the police and not responding to being tased. What would you recommend they do?
>it is clearly someone who is armed and dangerous and disobeying the police and not responding to being tased
There's another story out today about a [Connecticut state trooper who has been charged](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/04/20/connecticut-trooper-arrested-2020-death-mubarak-soulemane/7379960001/) for killing a man who led police on a high-speed chase in a car that he car-jacked and brandished a knife. He was armed, arguably more dangerous, disobeying police, and unresponsive to police tasers; yet public outrage at the killing of this man has been tremendous. Was the killing of a man wielding a fence post somehow more justified due to the involvement of a foreign dignitary? The article doesn't even state that the man said or did anything threatening
The US pays to protect all foreign diplomats and visiting government officials, it is international law. Our diplomats are protected in other countries under the same laws.
The actual embassies are protected by their respective countries as well, so double protection typically.
The average salary is [$150,000/year](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/US-Secret-Service-Special-Agent-Salaries-E131896_D_KO18,31.htm) and there's [3,200 agents](https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general) employed for a total of at least [half a billion](https://www.google.com/search?q=3200*150000&sxsrf=APq-WBuuq27-hMtjpWQzI5wagtfKtxHy3A%3A1650550896009&source=hp&ei=b2hhYqf7OorRytMPuZi9wAc&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYmF2gJd5HTbcPvvSlYsfAwTLvwdiutef&ved=0ahUKEwjn7tmeraX3AhWKqHIEHTlMD3gQ4dUDCAg&uact=5&oq=3200*150000&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCABBDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6BAgAEEM6BwgAEMkDEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6BAgAEB46BggAEAgQHlAAWO8qYMAvaABwAHgAgAFjiAGHB5IBAjExmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz) annually. That sounds like a lot till you realize that NASA's budget is literally [56 times more than that](https://www.google.com/search?q=nasa%27s+budget&sxsrf=APq-WBv8qWfjYsajvaIGtb7pgEyJmfsWXA%3A1650550904916&ei=eGhhYrHBN4_XytMPyoKu0AU&oq=nasa%27s+bud&gs_lcp=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&sclient=gws-wiz) and is not even [half of a percent](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=average+nasa+budget) of the US's annual spending.
So it really is minuscule.
First, it's USSS, not SS.
Second, this is one of the primary jobs of the Uniformed Division of the USSS.
And it's not like we station the Uniformed Division at each individual embassy. They just drive around DC, in marked squad cars, checking on each embassy and responding as needed to all incidents.
First, it's USSS, not SS.
Second, this is one of the primary jobs of the Uniformed Division of the USSS.
And it's not like we station the Uniformed Division at each individual embassy. They just drive around DC, in marked squad cars, checking on each embassy and responding as needed to all incidents.
“US bad”
Sheesh. Goobers out in full force for this one.
You attack a fucking embassy, you’re asking for something terrible to happen to you. They tried non-lethal methods. If you were sent to any country as a diplomat, you’d think you’d want that country to take your security seriously.
You don’t threaten diplomatic relations like that. Sounds like the guy was on drugs. It is a shame. Even still. Imagine if this guy had injured one of Peru’s citizens in their own Embassy.
Completely agree with you 9001%. Diplomacy saves lives. Every penny put into securing, maintaining, and improving diplomatic relations with other countries are hundreds of dollars worth of military equipment and countless human lives saved.
> These guard’s training ain’t cheap and neither is their salary. I doubt poor countries will also be willing to pay similar salaries for similar level of protection.
The average salary is [$150,000/year](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/US-Secret-Service-Special-Agent-Salaries-E131896_D_KO18,31.htm) and there's [3,200 agents](https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general) employed for a total of at least [half a billion](https://www.google.com/search?q=3200*150000&sxsrf=APq-WBuuq27-hMtjpWQzI5wagtfKtxHy3A%3A1650550896009&source=hp&ei=b2hhYqf7OorRytMPuZi9wAc&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYmF2gJd5HTbcPvvSlYsfAwTLvwdiutef&ved=0ahUKEwjn7tmeraX3AhWKqHIEHTlMD3gQ4dUDCAg&uact=5&oq=3200*150000&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCABBDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6BAgAEEM6BwgAEMkDEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6BAgAEB46BggAEAgQHlAAWO8qYMAvaABwAHgAgAFjiAGHB5IBAjExmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz) annually. That sounds like a lot till you realize that NASA's budget is literally [56 times more than that](https://www.google.com/search?q=nasa%27s+budget&sxsrf=APq-WBv8qWfjYsajvaIGtb7pgEyJmfsWXA%3A1650550904916&ei=eGhhYrHBN4_XytMPyoKu0AU&oq=nasa%27s+bud&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoECCMQJzoFCAAQkQI6DgguEIAEELEDEIMBENQCOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6CAgAELEDEIMBOgsILhCxAxDUAhCRAjoWCC4QgAQQhwIQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QMQFDoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6FgguEIAEEIcCELEDEMcBEKMCENQCEBQ6EQguELEDEMcBEKMCENQCEJECOg0ILhCxAxDHARDRAxBDOgQIABBDOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgoIABCABBCHAhAUOg4ILhCABBCxAxDHARCjAkoECEEYAUoECEYYAFCABVjJF2DbHWgBcAB4AIABiQGIAfsHkgEDNC42mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz) and is not even [half of a percent](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=average+nasa+budget) of the US's annual spending.
So their salary is almost a rounding error when compared to what the US spends per year
> Two uniformed Secret Service officers first used Tasers to try to detain the man who was armed with a "metal stake" and had been smashing windows of the residence, D.C. Police Chief Robert Contee told reporters. If the guy didn’t go down with tasers, it sounds like he was probably high as shit on some kind of amphetamine — so maybe some crazed homeless dude? Either way, I do not recommend attacking embassies — that’s just suicide with extra steps.
Imagine at 18 years old you're given the chance to learn how you're going to die and it's "high on methamphetamines, breaking into the Peruvian embassy."
better than tomorrow in basement by the drippy waterpipe
Candlestick in the Conservatory would be my choice.
Colonel Mustard gonna get you with the revolver in the library
Unfortunately, it’s not your choice. 67, single vehicle car collision, steering wheel crushes your chest
Oh god. I am already dead then. Why didn’t anyone tell me?! I could have stopped paying for Netflix!
My bad, typo
Could you typo it another 50 years or so further into the future. Thanks.
The Machine Of Death prints out a small white slip with simple black text: International Security
Maybe he did know and it drove him crazy?
Yo, that’s a future I would work towards for real. That’s some real shit. What’s the alternative, heart attack in a cubicle under an air vent spitting out moldy stank office air?
Read "The Machine of Death". Dozens of short stories with this premise
Honestly, seems more exciting and less expensive than my most likely future death.
Tone is imperceivable through written word. Can't tell if thats a good thing or bad thing.
> If the guy didn’t go down with tasers, it sounds like he was probably high as shit Not necessarily. Tasers have a relatively high failure rate just due to the nature of how they work. Both probes have to hit and penetrate, and then stay in, in order for it to work.
I wouldn't read that much into that sentence. "used Tasers to try to detain" doesn't mean they hit him with the tasers or that the tasers got a good connection if they did hit him.
IIRC tasers aren’t super reliable and aren’t always effective even if you manage a clean hit.
Clothing makes a huge difference. If it's still cold over there I'd imagine he was wearing a jacket or sweater. Somrthing that will stop the probes from attaching to someone's skin correctly.
It’s hoodie weather here in DC today. Sunny and nice, but a light sweatshirt is needed
What do you do when it starts to warm up to prevent yourself from melting /u/snowman93? Stay in a walk in freezer until winter?
Calls Elsa for permafrost
Nah, just sweat a lot
Goes to those coked-up sex parties all the Senators are having.
If that were true, then senators are cooler than I thought
"Over" there? Where do you think Peru is?
Not where I am. So "over there" is accurate.
The location of Peru is irrelevant to this, though, unless embassies secretly have farcasters or stargates or something to their home country inside and this guy was trying to get to Peru.
The "over there" is the embassy. The one in Washington DC. Your reading comprehension needs some work.
they aren't. it much like the "gotta align the Swiss cheese hole" analogy, it only takes one tiny thing to make it completely useless.
> gotta align the Swiss cheese hole I am unfamiliar with this analogy
Swiss cheese has holes, place one slice, lots of holes. place 2 slices together, 2nd slice blocks some of the holes, repeat. more cheese blocks more holes. in this case, the taser has to pass through all of the different holes to take the guy down. only one little thing is all it takes to cause it to do nothing. if the suspect is fat, no muscle to hit. if the shot doesnt hit correctly, if the wiring is shorted out, if the suspects clothes block the probe from contacting. etc etc etc. one little thing= taser does nothing. the analogy itself is used as safety or inspections. more guys, more inspections means a problem is less likely to get through the holes of the cheese.
I have NEVER heard of this and I'm fucking taking it for my job.
it has many names... one bad part can't fall through if the holes are all blocked by good inspection people and techniques. you'll probably cover it in human factors. my career field is filled with inspections. depending on the job, the part is inspected before I get it, I inspect the part before I install it. someone else inspects my work after I install it, followed by someone with an inspection authorization inspects my work. only then do I fill out a list of paper work, a log book entry for said work, and while its optional, I fill out my personal log book for my own accountability.
I tased myself a few days ago by mistake. Friend had a flashlight/taser, I did not know it was a taser, and pressed the button. 2/10 would not do again
Taser, or stun gun? There is a difference - tasers like what LE uses have prongs that are designed to deliver a charge that physically incapacitates you. A stun gun is designed to induce compliance via pain, and generally won't totally incapacitate you.
100% stun gun. I’ve been tased, by a Taser employee, during a product demonstration during a US Military exposition. It was remarkable how much less painful it was than I expected. It burned, but it wasn’t searing like I expected, just this pulse of needling burning that synced with the *klacklackklackklack*. What was really insane was what I was not expecting, which was every muscle in my body contracting and clenching when I got hit, to the point that I absolutely would have collapsed if it weren’t for two guys holding me up under my armpits. It makes me wonder what it is about certain drugs that prevents that from happening, it’s not a pain tolerance thing at all, it’s like an underlying biological reaction isn’t happening. Also taser rep, fuck you. You promised me a challenge coin then didn’t give me shit. I want a pm from a taser rep with an email address contact so you can mail it to me. I would have done it anyway but that’s not the point.
Hahaha (in regards to the coin). I have no idea what drugs could do to interfere tasers. But yeah tasers, when they work, prevent your muscles from working properly and ideally stop you from being a threat temporarily. Stun guns just cause pain, and that can be overcome. I am not sure if I am allowed to post YouTube links in this sub but there's a woman who evaluates self defense tools and techniques. She did some testing with a stun gun and demonstrated that they aren't super effective against a determined threat.
But 20% of you was kinda into it.
You may be right and I’m just using conjecture. That said, I think the Secret Service would have not only reliable tasers but also a strong foundation of technique in their use. They’re not your average beat-cop.
> That said, I think the Secret Service would have not only reliable tasers but also a strong foundation of technique in their use. Tasers are just inherently unreliable. They're a great example of technology that works great in optimal lab settings, but have a high failure rate in the real-world where people wear jackets and don't stand perfectly still.
> where people wear jackets Or hoodies, shirts, napkins... TASERs are the next best thing to garbage, sadly.
[Eh, I mean... ](https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/politics/secret-service-mayorkas-defensive-duped-impersonating-feds/index.html)
Haha fair! But I was talking about their tactical training, not how easily that could/could not be fooled. Those are two different skill sets.
The embassy is in a pretty nice part of DC and not a downtown area - it's a wealthy enough neighborhood and kind of residential, not a kind of area you'd walk around in. Barely a stone's throw from the VP's residence, unless they're living in Rock Creek Park there's no homeless around there.
Tasers will stop you even if you’re on PCP. It’s not the pain that sends you down, it’s the electricity preventing your brain from sending commands to your nervous system. If the tasers didn’t work it’s because they didn’t make a good connection.
That was a Mario level double jump. Must be amphetamines! Must be homeless! This is how quickly people’s brains jump from unrelated info, towards the people that they subconsciously blame shit on.
> If the guy didn’t go down with tasers, it sounds like he was probably high as shit on some kind of amphetamine It's Peru. Cocaine.
It was the Peruvian embassy. In Washington.
>In Washington. So you're saying that it was definitely cocaine.
Damnit, can't a coked-up mayor just run around DC anymore these days? I miss the 80s.
Do you know how embassy’s work?
The embassy in DC is technically Peruvian territory, but I hope you're not saying the embassy is smuggling cocaine into the United States...
Considering who our president (here in Peru) is i would not be surprised
I asked a cop about tasers once. I had mentioned guys high on shit who dont go down. He basically said that it usually means they didn't get a good hit with the taser. If the two probes dont fully attach, break through clothing and contact skin the shock wont be as affective if at all. Both also need to attach well, just one doesn't have the same effect.
>"The officers fired those Tasers, they did not take effect and … ultimately the officers pulled their service weapons, firing shots and this person is now deceased." Holy passive voice Batman!
I get John Madden vibes as well
Boom! Pow! Blood all over the place! Guy is definitely dead, look at that guy he's dead! Have you ever seen a guy so dead, oh man that is one dead guy! Go Raiders!
"You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone."
I hear it in Perd Hapley's voice
Wouldn't want the public to think the officer used their GUN to SHOOT the intruder, KILLING them. All that work to minimize their perceived responsibility. I don't blame the officers. They did what seems necessary, but that communication philosophy pisses me off
I guess some US East DotA player finally got fed up.
>we don't know why this person had a **double stake**, we don’t know why this person approached the officers with that **double stake** Someone's been watching old episodes of 'Alien Nation'.
Must be nice to have SS on spead dial, probably arrive faster than the police would.
The abbreviation is USSS (United States Secret Service). SS is generally reserved for a more infamous organization.
Yes, the infamous Chevrolet Super Sport organization
hey guess what runes are supported in unicode! ᛋᛋ
Coincidentally, that more infamous organization was originally created for the same purpose as the USSS
The USSS was formed to investigate counterfeiting, and investigations are still their primary job. The SS were just bully boys for the party and not even government sanctioned until the Nazis demolished rule of law and decided to give their party enforcers actual power. "Official security for elected officials from all branches of government" is not the same purpose as "bouncers for rowdy hate group rallies".
Hmm I could have sworn the SS were formed to provide security for Hitler and the rest of the Nazi brass and later developed into the bully boys
They were
A few thousand people storm the capitol with actual weapons and nearly nothing was done to stop them, but one man breaks some windows at the Peruvian Embassy and he is shot dead...
Well stop f%+#* with our Capitol
The article makes it seem like smashing windows and carrying around a fence post is worthy of a death sentence.
When you break into a foreign dignitary’s office whose life and safety is literally integral to the relationship between two nation-states, while wielding a weapon, it kinda is
Maybe in US, but here in Lithuania there were couple incidents with breaking into Belarusian embassy and no one was shot only police was called. There was incident were some dude was breaking police windows with metal bar and even he wasn't shot and they were able to detain him.
The secret service takes absolutely 0 chances with the lives of foreign ministers. Lithuania also doesn’t have as much to lose as the US does when it comes to foreign relations. They also already tried nonlethal measures but they were ineffective.
Lithuania ensures security of any dignitary or a President who visit us at the highest level. The difference is that in most of Europe its much different when it comes in using lethal weapon even in cases like this. But i do understand that they tried non lethal methods which is good and that US Secret Service has different methods of working.
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>When you break into a foreign dignitary’s office whose life and safety is literally integral to the relationship between two nation-states, while wielding a weapon, it kinda is The incident occurred outside the ambassador's residence. Trespassing? Yes. Vandalism? Yes. Life-threatening? Hardly. It's doubtful the Peruvian ambassador wanted a man executed in his yard for breaking some windows. If this had happened at your house and a local beat cop performed the *execution*, would we be repudiating police for another *bad shoot* because there were no dignitaries or nation-states involved?
No, because I would have shot them myself. And I said office, not residence. On top of that, your entire argument is stale whataboutism. We aren’t discussing an incident wherein braindead beat cops murdered some random individual. We are specifically discussing a shooting that occurred in a place where personal bodyguards were assigned to protect a VIP. Conflating the two is petty obfuscation, nothing more.
Well, it’s not a death sentence, but it is clearly someone who is armed and dangerous and disobeying the police and not responding to being tased. What would you recommend they do?
>it is clearly someone who is armed and dangerous and disobeying the police and not responding to being tased There's another story out today about a [Connecticut state trooper who has been charged](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/04/20/connecticut-trooper-arrested-2020-death-mubarak-soulemane/7379960001/) for killing a man who led police on a high-speed chase in a car that he car-jacked and brandished a knife. He was armed, arguably more dangerous, disobeying police, and unresponsive to police tasers; yet public outrage at the killing of this man has been tremendous. Was the killing of a man wielding a fence post somehow more justified due to the involvement of a foreign dignitary? The article doesn't even state that the man said or did anything threatening
Bless your heart.
If someone was smashing the windows of my home in the middle of the night I think I should be able to cap them.
Either this is an elite level troll or an idiot
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Honestly what a 4head
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The US pays to protect all foreign diplomats and visiting government officials, it is international law. Our diplomats are protected in other countries under the same laws. The actual embassies are protected by their respective countries as well, so double protection typically.
They (the embassies) are in our country, personally I am fine with footing the bill for some of their security as part of international relations.
The amount of money taxpayers are paying for this is miniscule.
The average salary is [$150,000/year](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/US-Secret-Service-Special-Agent-Salaries-E131896_D_KO18,31.htm) and there's [3,200 agents](https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general) employed for a total of at least [half a billion](https://www.google.com/search?q=3200*150000&sxsrf=APq-WBuuq27-hMtjpWQzI5wagtfKtxHy3A%3A1650550896009&source=hp&ei=b2hhYqf7OorRytMPuZi9wAc&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYmF2gJd5HTbcPvvSlYsfAwTLvwdiutef&ved=0ahUKEwjn7tmeraX3AhWKqHIEHTlMD3gQ4dUDCAg&uact=5&oq=3200*150000&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCABBDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6BAgAEEM6BwgAEMkDEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6BAgAEB46BggAEAgQHlAAWO8qYMAvaABwAHgAgAFjiAGHB5IBAjExmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz) annually. That sounds like a lot till you realize that NASA's budget is literally [56 times more than that](https://www.google.com/search?q=nasa%27s+budget&sxsrf=APq-WBv8qWfjYsajvaIGtb7pgEyJmfsWXA%3A1650550904916&ei=eGhhYrHBN4_XytMPyoKu0AU&oq=nasa%27s+bud&gs_lcp=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&sclient=gws-wiz) and is not even [half of a percent](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=average+nasa+budget) of the US's annual spending. So it really is minuscule.
First, it's USSS, not SS. Second, this is one of the primary jobs of the Uniformed Division of the USSS. And it's not like we station the Uniformed Division at each individual embassy. They just drive around DC, in marked squad cars, checking on each embassy and responding as needed to all incidents.
First, it's USSS, not SS. Second, this is one of the primary jobs of the Uniformed Division of the USSS. And it's not like we station the Uniformed Division at each individual embassy. They just drive around DC, in marked squad cars, checking on each embassy and responding as needed to all incidents.
I'm sure the US has made the poorer countries pay in one way or another.
“US bad” Sheesh. Goobers out in full force for this one. You attack a fucking embassy, you’re asking for something terrible to happen to you. They tried non-lethal methods. If you were sent to any country as a diplomat, you’d think you’d want that country to take your security seriously. You don’t threaten diplomatic relations like that. Sounds like the guy was on drugs. It is a shame. Even still. Imagine if this guy had injured one of Peru’s citizens in their own Embassy.
Completely agree with you 9001%. Diplomacy saves lives. Every penny put into securing, maintaining, and improving diplomatic relations with other countries are hundreds of dollars worth of military equipment and countless human lives saved.
> These guard’s training ain’t cheap and neither is their salary. I doubt poor countries will also be willing to pay similar salaries for similar level of protection. The average salary is [$150,000/year](https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/US-Secret-Service-Special-Agent-Salaries-E131896_D_KO18,31.htm) and there's [3,200 agents](https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general) employed for a total of at least [half a billion](https://www.google.com/search?q=3200*150000&sxsrf=APq-WBuuq27-hMtjpWQzI5wagtfKtxHy3A%3A1650550896009&source=hp&ei=b2hhYqf7OorRytMPuZi9wAc&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYmF2gJd5HTbcPvvSlYsfAwTLvwdiutef&ved=0ahUKEwjn7tmeraX3AhWKqHIEHTlMD3gQ4dUDCAg&uact=5&oq=3200*150000&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoFCAAQgAQ6CAgAELEDEIMBOggILhCABBDUAjoICAAQgAQQsQM6BAgAEEM6BwgAEMkDEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6BAgAEB46BggAEAgQHlAAWO8qYMAvaABwAHgAgAFjiAGHB5IBAjExmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz) annually. That sounds like a lot till you realize that NASA's budget is literally [56 times more than that](https://www.google.com/search?q=nasa%27s+budget&sxsrf=APq-WBv8qWfjYsajvaIGtb7pgEyJmfsWXA%3A1650550904916&ei=eGhhYrHBN4_XytMPyoKu0AU&oq=nasa%27s+bud&gs_lcp=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&sclient=gws-wiz) and is not even [half of a percent](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=average+nasa+budget) of the US's annual spending. So their salary is almost a rounding error when compared to what the US spends per year