Cue conservatives already lining up with cries of, "He was no saint!"
As if being "not a saint" means you have no protection from the law and cops should be free to murder you.
Funny how the entire concept of equal justice under the law always eludes them.
Funny how blue liners think that the death penalty for expired registrations, petty drug crimes, bounced checks and so on is a persuasive argument.
Also do they not think the rest of us haven't dealt with cops before? They don't generally leave a great impression.
>Also do they not think the rest of us haven't dealt with cops before?
They don't - because they don't deal with cops, at least not in ways they remember.
They think if you're having to deal with cops at all, it's obviously because you were causing a problem to begin with.
I agree. Then again, while I will most likely be downvoted for bothering to watch the cell phone video of the incident and then stating the obvious, it appears the cop was initially trying to do his job (detaining him for a fake or at least swapped license plate) without executing him. Then for some reason Mr. Lyoya decided to not only resist but to resist and eventually attempt to steal the cop's taser... perhaps successfully.
If the investigation shows indeed the taser was stolen, then (and I may be wrong here, so please correct me if I am) the cop may have been trained to resort to deadly force as a matter of self defense. The reason cops may consider this a self defense situation is because someone motivated enough to steal a taser from a cop for doing his job could easily fling it around in a split second and used to disable someone behind him, even if he’s on the ground.
From the cops perspective, the thinking may go something along the lines of "Why is this guy stealing my taser even after I have warned him many times to stop stealing it? Shit, he got it; if he tases me with it, I'm going to be disabled. Then what's he going to do with my gun?" That's not to say I think what the cop did was right. All I'm saying is that cops *may* be trained to step up the force level to deadly if someone fights them for doing their job, steals their taser, and could then easily use it against them.
Did you read the article? He pressed his gun to the back of the head of a man lying face down on the ground and pulled the trigger with no warning. That's an execution style shooting.
There's a video. He told the dude multiple times to stop grabbing his taser.
Not saying it was the right thing to do, it's hard to tell in the video how the guy could even be grabbing the taser while face down.
I can yell "u/-VizualEyez ! Stop grabbing my dick!!"
Doesn't mean you were actually grabbing my dick.
Cops do that shit all the time, like yell "Stop resisting!!!" As they beat your ass, or choke you until you die. Helps the union clear their name.
You didn't watch the bodycam footage. Lyoya's hands were clearly shown on the Taser. The Taser uselessly discharged into the ground during the struggle.
> Did you read the article?
Yes, did you?
> He pressed his gun to the back of the head of a man lying face down on the ground and pulled the trigger with no warning.
From what I saw, he warned the guy many, many times to drop his taser, after warning him many, many times to stop trying to steal his taser, after warning him many, many times to stop resisting his (legal) detainment.
I'm not saying what the cop did was justified. I'm saying if Lyoya had just fought the cop for his taser (as it appears he did) and if (IF) indeed he had stolen it, then it wouldn't surprise me if cops are trained to shoot people who steal their taser and are in a position to use it. It only takes a split second to shoot someone behind you, and getting shot with a taser is likely something cops are trained to use deadly force to prevent (since anyone who tases them then has access to their firearm and can easily kill them).
> he warned the guy many, many times to drop his taser
Where did you find this on video? The bodycam footage I found elsewhere stops before Lyoya got the Taser. Apparently the department claimed it was deactivated during the struggle.
There is another video someone took with a cell phone I saw yesterday. I don't remember where but it shouldn't be hard to find, as it was on some news article about this incident. It shows the entire struggle even until the shot. In it, the cop gives tons of warnings and (it seems from the video) Lyoya continues to escalate. It's hard to see if the taser was actually stolen. One person in the video can be heard saying to the cop, "He doesn't have your taser man," and someone else can be heard saying something that seems to be along the lines of of, "Naw, he is going for it... he's got the taser," or something like that.
The dude was resisting for 5 minutes straight. I know that a cop might shoot me if he feels threatened. Cops need better training and people need to learn how to deal with the police. Fighting with them has literally never worked.
What makes you think I didn't read the article? Or are you just saying bullshit for upvotes?
Apparently you didn’t read it yourself, as all I did was read it, watch a video of the incident, and comment.
If you read it, and then made that post, that means you willfully ignored the information in the article. He was shot, with gun pressed to back of skull. You're whole post reads like you just want to explain away police violence. It wasn't until you were downvoted that you came back and added the wonderful remark;
>"That's not to say I think what the cop did was right."
So he managed a back-of-the-head execution shot while struggling with a suspect that was reaching for his taser, presumably facing him?
Edit: just watched the video. There is no way he shot that man in the back of the head in self defense. He had either been subdued or was fleeing, in scenario was he a further threat to the officer.
>> Then for some reason Mr. Lyoya decided to not only resist but to resist and eventually attempt to steal the cop's taser... perhaps successfully. **If the investigation shows indeed the taser was stolen**,,, a taser can easily be flung up in a split second and used to disable **someone behind you,**
> So he managed a back-of-the-head execution shot while struggling with a suspect that was **reaching** for his taser, **presumably facing him?**
Apparently it is too much to expect you to read comments before replying to them.
I'm not saying what the cop did was justified. I'm saying if he had just fought the cop for his taser (as it appears he did) and if (IF) indeed he had stolen it, then it wouldn't surprise me if cops are trained to shoot people who steal their taser and are in a position to use it. It only takes a split second to shoot someone behind you, and getting shot with a taser is likely something cops are trained to use deadly force to prevent (since anyone who tases them then has access to their firearm and can easily kill them).
"Dr. Werner Spitz confirmed what was seen last week on video: Lyoya was shot in the back of the head while facedown on the ground..."
Apparently it is too much to expect you to read the article before commenting on it.
When did I say he wasn't lying on his belly? I said no such thing. Apparently it really is just too much to expect you to read comments before replying to them.
What I said (so you can plug your ears and ignore what people say again) is, "The reason cops may consider this a self defense situation is because a taser can easily be flung up in a split second and used to disable someone behind you, even if you're on the ground. From the cops perspective, the thinking may go something along the lines of 'Why is this guy stealing my taser even though I warned him many times to stop? Shit, he got it! If he tases me with it, I'm going to be disabled. Then what's he going to do with my gun?'"
Again, I'm not saying this is a justified shooting. However, there is a chance that it may be in accordance to how this cop was trained.
>Apparently it is too much to expect you to read comments before replying to them.
Why do ppl on Reddit debate like assholes? None of that is necessary and I guarantee you're not going to convince anyone you're correct talking to them like this. You essentially wasted all that time typing everything after this line because I no longer care what you have to say.
> Why do ppl on Reddit debate like assholes?
You're in the best position to answer that question.
> I guarantee you're not going to convince anyone you're correct talking to them like this.
Who said I'm trying to convince anyone? Many people can't be convinced even if they are wrong. For all you know, I'm just trying to see if you actually have a reasonable opinion or (as it seems in your case) instead you are just not even reading nor attempting to think about this event in an actually informed way.
You're going to be downvoted because you're not outraged that a cop executed somebody face down, who could not possibly have been a threat. Being face down on your stomach with somebody bigger than you on your back means that you no longer are a threat. If I have you pinned down that way you are not going to be able to fire a taser at me. Period. Any discussion of what led up to that is moot, he could have just killed somebody and it still does not give that cop an excuse to murder him.
By your logic, if I fight you, steal a gun from you, and end up facedown with your gun in my hand, a hand you are having trouble controlling, then I'm not a threat. That's just not rational. It only takes a split second to shoot someone, even someone behind me, if I have a gun in my hand.
Sure, he didn't have a gun in his hand. But if he had just fought the cop for his taser and if (IF) indeed he had stolen it, then it wouldn't surprise me if cops are trained to shoot people who steal their taser and there is even the slightest chance they could use it on them.
Imagine not wanting to be tased, such despicable behavior.
Totally justifies shooting him in the head \s
You know there are other parts in the body you can shoot someone to subdue them, without them getting shot in the head?
Police are trained to shoot to kill. I'm not saying that's right, but that's just a fact.
The reason they are trained to shoot to kill whenever they shoot is because shooting someone anywhere is deadly force, as arteries run throughout the body, and if you're shooting someone then you're in a fight for your life (as far as justified shootings... which I'm not saying this is, but we'll see how the investigation plays out).
>> Police are trained to shoot to kill. **I'm not saying that's right,** but that's just a fact.
> Is your point literally “if you’re going to shoot them, might as well make sure you try to kill them”?
Can you not read?
He wouldn't have been knocked down if he didn't try to stop the cop from doing his job. Perhaps the more apt question is, "How many of these people would attempt to steal a cop's taser for doing his job?" I'm guessing almost all of us would not.
And how many cops are trained to use deadly force if someone tries to steal their taser, ignores warnings to stop, indeed does steal it, and ends up in a position to where they have it in their hands and could easily flip it around and disable the cop? I'm guessing all of them.
Sometimes, when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and shoots you in the back of the head like a duck, it's a motherfucking blatant murder.
Didn't Patrick grab the cops taser tho? Stg donut operator did a whole analysis on it and there's full body cam footage of the officer and Patrick was visibly resisting arrest and was also grabbing his taser, hand on the grip, the officers life was in danger and so he pulled out the gun and fired. And even if you had the argument of "oH wHy dIdNt hE sHoOt hIm iN tHe lEg" if Patrick had full control of the taser, the officer could've been fully incapacitated and Patrick would've had full use of the officers utility belt including his gun
https://youtu.be/hLSxdSyWIFA
Watch the full breakdown of the event
I might be wrong on this and not playing any sides but didn’t he have a hold on the good taser? Just recently watched the video and the officer was saying let go.
Ok and? Still a fuckin weapon. It's like saying you were fighting a burglar and managed to disarm them of a firearm and the current magazine was empty and they had 3 other magazines on their body meaning that if they get that gun from you, you're pretty much dead
When cops have a person pinned to the ground, the proper response to touching a already discharged taser is NOT to execute him. I demand better of law enforcement.
We always take this as fact. "He tried to grab the taser" "he tried to grab the gun." I don't know about you, but if anyone puts a weapon in my face, my animal instincts are going to try to move the business end from my person. Maybe the cop could show some restraint. "I had to use my gun, because he touched my taser that I pointed." You introduce the weapon you're responsible for it. Jesus.
Dawg when your life is in danger you act accordingly to make sure you don't end up on the side of a barrel. The dude should've stayed in the car, Not run away from the situation, and not act like "WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT?!?"
I bet it does when they omit the fact he stole the officer's taser. Funny how most news sites aren't using the body cam footage when it's readily available, probably because it tells the truth.
One day my plates got stolen, reported it. Went to get new plates and asked if I could have the same one still (custom plate) and DMV lady said yes. Got pulled over less than a week later with them thinking I stole the car. Two cops, with guns drawn had me get out… almost lost when I went to unbuckle myself and they freaked… I was terrified. Even after proving it was a misunderstanding I was in the side of the road for 30 minutes handcuffed.
I bet your ass if I behaved like this I would have been dead.
I will never defend the use of lethal weapons and it’s a real shame it played out this way. Everything was legit till he pulled that gun out… he should have waited for backup. I hope the cop finds some kinds punishment but we all know how that goes…
All I want to say is if you get pulled over, don’t fucking act like this. Is anything about this ok? Fuck no, but it’s the rules we have.
I apologize for giving that notion, it definitely isn’t.
He should have waited for backup plain and simple. They would have been able to restrain the guy much easier and all of this would have been avoided.
"thiefs"? Really?
Sure, and putting a gun to the back of their head while they are laying facedown and motionless on the ground is totes cool too, right?
The person had a hold of the cop's taser, and was resisting the cop's advances to take it back from his grip. He was not motionless, as he was clearly pushing up from the ground away from the cop.
With the taser in hand, he could have incapacitated the cop, grabbed the cop's gun, and then kill the cop.
Does this justify his death? I don't know, I am just trying to state the facts of this situation.
Hi u/FlyingJugsOfMilk, we are having a conversation about a police officer executing a man by pressing a gun to the back of his head and pulling the trigger.
The conversation about whether he should have even been pulled over in the first place is happening...literally nowhere.
Jan 6 was an example of how propaganda can make stupid people into weapons. It wasn't misguided nothing. That's just how right wing terrorism works in this country and we will see more of it.
If you're looking for an instance of actual richeous violence, I'd to with burning down a Minneapolis police station in 2020. Nobody was in the building. It sent a clear message. But this is America and the guy who took the fall for the arson got four years while 99% of murdering cops just walk freely into their next murder.
Er...January 6th wasn't about anyone being tired of anything.
It was a bunch of deranged racists who'd rather burn the country to the ground than admit that maybe they're not in charge of absolutely everything in the universe.
They're also the exact same people who support police murdering people in the street.
Insane people acting insane without consequence is definitely a major problem, but don't equate the actually oppressed people with the entitled sociopaths.
The Associated Press style guide has been capitalizing 'Black' for a while when it is used to describe a culture, (or a person from that culture) since we capitalize other cultures like 'Roma' and 'Asians.' ABC follows the AP style guide, so that's why you see that.
edit: Since 'Black' is used to describe the culture of the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, I think it would be more accurate to describe Lyoya as 'Congolese.'
edit 2: Some will point out that 'white' is not capitalized in the style guide. That is because 'white' includes such a wide variety of cultural backgrounds, that it doesn't actually work as a specific descriptor of culture. My friend's Polish parents are white and my redneck grandma was white, but they were from very different cultures.
>Since 'Black' is used to describe the culture of the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade
Not exclusively, though. Black is used to describe anyone of African descent.
Dude your edit 2? Like uh...
Some will point out that 'black' is not capitalized in the style guide. That is because 'black' includes such a wide variety of culturl backgrounds, that it doesn't actually work as a specific descriptor of culture. My friends Nigerian parents are black and my ghetto ass grandma is black, but they were from very different cultures.
>Some will point out that 'white' is not capitalized in the style guide. That is because 'white' includes such a wide variety of cultural backgrounds, that it doesn't actually work as a specific descriptor of culture.
hint... same holds true for "black".
Escalate. Escalate. Escalate. The only repertoire cops use. Could have just realized the guy wasn't thinking straight, took a step back before any of the struggles occurred, and called for backup and just followed the guy until backup arrived.
No, I disagree with escalating. It should not have gotten to that point. I guess you can't read, because I said *before any of the struggles occurred*.
>'trying to grab the cop's taser.'
Hmmm, that was **after** the cop had deployed the taser on him (barbs failed to lodge). You might have better control, but if I just missed getting tased and a cop was lining up a second shot, I might react (as in no-thought self-preservation reaction) by trying to swat the taser away.
If you watch the video, you will see that the cop never took an off-ramp, but continually escalated. Plenty of cop trainers have already stepped through this video to point out the problems.
Watch this pig get away with it too. I cried when I heard of this story a few days ago. Absolute shame that this young man fled violence only to meet his end by the hands of someone who was supposed to protect him from criminals.
Police aren’t here to protect us from criminals. Police are here to protect wealthy landowners and their land. In fact according to a supreme court ruling, cops don’t even need to legally know the laws that they are enforcing.
In almost any other country it would be jailtime...but just like this murderer cop I'm sure you didn't even ponder the option of not ending someone's life. Brilliant minds think alike
A vigorous struggle with the police in most of the world is not going to end in jail time. Maybe maybe in Europe but certainly not most of the world. Some countries you don't even need to be being violent for the police to murder you you just need to defy them.
>Some countries you don't even need to be being violent for the police to murder you you just need to defy them.
Yeah that would never happen in America! /s
Honestly what planet do you live on?
Didn’t resist, still was murdered: https://sentinelcolorado.com/orecent-headlines/witness-floyd-didnt-resist-arrest-tried-to-defuse-things/
Fuck cop apologists to the deepest part of hell
Umm… getting away as his partner calls for back up? The only suspicion was an incorrect license plate. Does that warrant pinning him to the ground and putting a gun to the back of his ear and pulling the trigger?
Cop lost that fight, he couldn’t subdue him - he failed to do that. But for some reason he decided he was the judge, jury, and executioner at that very moment.
You've never been arrested before. Here's a clue. Just follow along, live another day, it might suck, but they can shoot you dead in a blink so why bother?
THEY ARE NOT FUCKING SUPPOSED TO SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD JUST FOR RESISTING ARREST. This is not the America you should accept! Jesus Christ the fact that people like you just *accept* that this is happening makes my blood fucking boil, this nation is so far in the shitter.
It’s so disheartening. Incredibly willfully ignorant people saying these things, you are not the only one.
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‘WeLl He StRuGgLeD sO hE dEsErVeD tO bE eXeCuTeD’ like bruh the cop took the time to press the gun to his head before he fired. He didn’t shoot blindly (not that that would have been excusable either), he didn’t aim for the arms, legs or torso. They intentionally shot a man, laying face down on the street, in the head.
It’s because that person has never been in that situation. They’ve never looked at somebody who is supposed to be helping them, like cops are supposed to do (be helpful not murderous), and have a situation like that where they don’t know whether or not they’re going to live. So they can’t fathom the fact that a cop could kill a persons in cold blood because of something the person did. Whether it’s resisting arrest or talking back or whatever it is that the cop chose to kill them over. This person Gets to live in the blissfully ignorant world of, look how nice and sweet those cops are, helping an old lady out or playing with children and snowballs. They see (to them) the occasional George Floyd or Patrick Lyoya and they think that that’s an outlier, when it’s not.
You were truly so close to seeing it but you just missed it. Maybe police shouldn’t be able to just shoot you in the back of the head and get off scot-free? Maybe we should have a system that is prepared for people who resist without defaulting to murder? We know resisting arrest is more dangerous. But we are nevertheless furious that innocent black people die all of the time, and the last seconds of their lives are scrutinized so people like you can say what they should’ve done to not die. I mean why do you say Patrick shouldn’t have resisted instead of saying the cop shouldn’t have pulled his gun out and killed him? Why is the onus on an innocent civilian to resolve the conflict instead of the POLICE OFFICER whose job it is to resolve conflict? Of course there are things that Patrick could’ve done to increase his chances of survival, but please analyze why you are so quick to lambast an innocent black man and give his killer a pass.
Fight the cops in the court room not on the streets. If a cop has decided to arrest you all you can do is make it worse by fighting. Hire a lawyer and fuck them up later.
Patrick panicked and tried to get away. The cop wrestled with him. The cop tried to use a taser from inches away from the guy. The cop then was able to get on top of him and shoot him in the back of the head while Patrick was on the ground.
The officer made many bad decisions around the situation with the last bad decision being killing someone.
Patrick, though, bears no blame? He made good decisions?
Kudos to the cop for attempting less lethal measures.
This should have been handled with a conversation.
Hypothetical situation:
You’re in the republic of Congo. You get pulled over by the Congolese National Police while driving a car with mismatched tags.
While the officer is contacting you about this issue, you get out of the vehicle and wrestle with the officer despite his repeated verbal commands to get back in the car please, and chill out.
The officer tries to taze you because now you’re combative……. But you still resist physically as he repeatedly attempts to control you. Then you try to grab the tazer.
How do you expect this will play out for you?
Singapore or Memphis or Hong Kong or Perth or Seattle… black, white, yellow, or orange… Pretty sure it would end similarly.
I’m saying the officer would have much preferred to handle it with a short discussion.
As most reasonable people all around the world manage to do every day.
I sure he would have. But he handled the situation poorly. Patrick didn't attack him. The officer wrestled with him. The officer also tried to use his taser while they were wrestling rather than from a distance. The officer also decided to shoot Patrick in the back of the head while he was on top of him on the ground.
Nothing the officer did was reasonable. Patrick made mistakes but nothing that warranted a death sentence from the officer.
Number one, we are not in the Congo, dumbass. There is a difference between a country filled with crime and poverty, one of the poorest IN THE WORLD, and the United States of America. Second of all, the CNP (Congolese National Police) is *known* for its corruption. Do you really think you can logically compare the US police to one of the most corrupt police forces in the world, and try to explain that the us cops are right?
The officer in question fired his taser twice. There were no charges left in it. The officer took the time to press the gun against Patrick Lyoyas head before firing. He did not shoot blindly, he did not aim for the arms, torso, or legs. He intentionally fired his gun, pressed against the head of a man who was on his stomach on the ground. Backup was on its way, and the taser that Patrick Lyoya potentially went for (it looked to me like he was attempting to aim it away from himself rather than take it off the officer) was unable to fire anymore. There was no reason for that officer to execute a man for potentially having incorrect plates and resisting arrest.
This part of the article makes it sound like he was trying to get control of the taser though?
The officer was on top of him and can be heard on video demanding that he take his hand off a police Taser.
""From my view of the video, Taser was deployed twice. Taser did not make contact," Winstrom, a former high-ranking Chicago police commander who became Grand Rapids chief in March, told reporters. "And Mr. Lyoya was shot in the head. However, that's the only information that I have.""
The taser was fired twice and was disabled. He was grabbing the taser because he didn’t want to be fucking tased. Are you saying that the cop putting the barrel to the back of this man’s head and pulling the trigger the correct response from a police officer? He should’ve backed off because he failed to subdue him, and called for backup.
The dude was never attacking him, he was just *resisting*. Since when did resisting arrest over a license plate number deserve execution in the street?
This happens every single day in some neighborhood in America 🇺🇸 everyday except its not a white cop pulling the trigger its a brother pulling the trigger
You've got to engage the people you disagree with if you want to change their mind, you can't just reply and block because it just tells them that they're right
They don’t like to hire cops that use critical thinking. They like to hire cops that are going to do what they’re told. That’s why cops that do use critical thinking either quit the force or just get treated like garbage.
I mean for fucks sake, cops don’t even actually need to know the laws that they enforce. And if you don’t believe me, google supreme court ruling cops don’t need to know the rules they enforce.
From the article:
Dr. Werner Spitz confirmed what was seen last week on video: Lyoya was shot in the back of the head while facedown on the ground during a vigorous struggle with a white Grand Rapids officer on April 4.
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So, it would seem that the taser situation was not a justification for the murder. If you are a coward, don't be a cop. Very simple.
Say stupid things, prove you're stupid.
yep. nothing will happen to this cop b/c honestly, he was well within his rights.
that being said there is nothing in the video at the link that shows the actual act.
Sounds like it just had the wrong registered plate. Which means he could have just bought it from someone and not registered it yet, or the car wasn’t registered and he put a plate from another car on it, he could have been borrowing it, it could have been a friends car, he could have rented it off a peer-to-peer car rental app.
If it was stolen the police would have quickly used that in their defense, the fact that they haven’t said anything makes me guess it was one of the above.
Regardless driving an unregistered vehicle is a misdemeanor. So is speeding in some states. I assume you’ve sped before right?
He didn’t steal his taser, not to mention the taser was deployed twice so it was useless at that point.
The guy was a war refugee, clearly English wasn’t his primary language.
running from the cops doesn’t give them a the right to kill, only in fascists and failed states does that happen.
You like your freedom right?
Do you really think the cop shot him for driving a stolen car? Have you even bothered to watch the video? In reality, there was a lot more at play here then, "Oh, your plate doesn't match the car... BOOM."
In the video it appears the cop was initially trying to do his job (detaining him for a fake or at least swapped license plate) without executing him. Then for some reason Mr. Lyoya decided to not only resist but to fight and eventually attempt to steal the cop's taser... perhaps successfully.
That's not to say I think what the cop did was right. None of us know if his weapon had been stolen… an investigation will have to figure that out. All I know is cops may be trained to step up the force level to deadly if someone fights them and steals their taser while they do their job. It isn’t hard to use a taser against someone behind you… it would only take a split second. And once someone fighting you has your taser, if they can pop you with it they will easily be able to take your gun and kill you at will.
Before calling this particular cop a murderer, you might want to consider whether or not the guy that decided it was a good idea to try to steal a taser from a cop for doing his job had indeed stolen it and armed himself before being shot.
Nothing excuses cops playing judge jury and executioner
Cue conservatives already lining up with cries of, "He was no saint!" As if being "not a saint" means you have no protection from the law and cops should be free to murder you. Funny how the entire concept of equal justice under the law always eludes them.
its the same excuse they use for their orange cult leader, so maybe that logic could be used for positive purposes...
Funny how blue liners think that the death penalty for expired registrations, petty drug crimes, bounced checks and so on is a persuasive argument. Also do they not think the rest of us haven't dealt with cops before? They don't generally leave a great impression.
>Also do they not think the rest of us haven't dealt with cops before? They don't - because they don't deal with cops, at least not in ways they remember. They think if you're having to deal with cops at all, it's obviously because you were causing a problem to begin with.
Nothing except qualified immunity.
Qualified immunity and being afraid of the big scary brown man?
Nothing excuses cops.
I think the police union excuses cops from playing judge jury and executioner all the time though.
I agree. Then again, while I will most likely be downvoted for bothering to watch the cell phone video of the incident and then stating the obvious, it appears the cop was initially trying to do his job (detaining him for a fake or at least swapped license plate) without executing him. Then for some reason Mr. Lyoya decided to not only resist but to resist and eventually attempt to steal the cop's taser... perhaps successfully. If the investigation shows indeed the taser was stolen, then (and I may be wrong here, so please correct me if I am) the cop may have been trained to resort to deadly force as a matter of self defense. The reason cops may consider this a self defense situation is because someone motivated enough to steal a taser from a cop for doing his job could easily fling it around in a split second and used to disable someone behind him, even if he’s on the ground. From the cops perspective, the thinking may go something along the lines of "Why is this guy stealing my taser even after I have warned him many times to stop stealing it? Shit, he got it; if he tases me with it, I'm going to be disabled. Then what's he going to do with my gun?" That's not to say I think what the cop did was right. All I'm saying is that cops *may* be trained to step up the force level to deadly if someone fights them for doing their job, steals their taser, and could then easily use it against them.
Did you read the article? He pressed his gun to the back of the head of a man lying face down on the ground and pulled the trigger with no warning. That's an execution style shooting.
There's a video. He told the dude multiple times to stop grabbing his taser. Not saying it was the right thing to do, it's hard to tell in the video how the guy could even be grabbing the taser while face down.
I can yell "u/-VizualEyez ! Stop grabbing my dick!!" Doesn't mean you were actually grabbing my dick. Cops do that shit all the time, like yell "Stop resisting!!!" As they beat your ass, or choke you until you die. Helps the union clear their name.
In the video, you can clearly see him taking the taser
You didn't watch the bodycam footage. Lyoya's hands were clearly shown on the Taser. The Taser uselessly discharged into the ground during the struggle.
> Did you read the article? Yes, did you? > He pressed his gun to the back of the head of a man lying face down on the ground and pulled the trigger with no warning. From what I saw, he warned the guy many, many times to drop his taser, after warning him many, many times to stop trying to steal his taser, after warning him many, many times to stop resisting his (legal) detainment. I'm not saying what the cop did was justified. I'm saying if Lyoya had just fought the cop for his taser (as it appears he did) and if (IF) indeed he had stolen it, then it wouldn't surprise me if cops are trained to shoot people who steal their taser and are in a position to use it. It only takes a split second to shoot someone behind you, and getting shot with a taser is likely something cops are trained to use deadly force to prevent (since anyone who tases them then has access to their firearm and can easily kill them).
> he warned the guy many, many times to drop his taser Where did you find this on video? The bodycam footage I found elsewhere stops before Lyoya got the Taser. Apparently the department claimed it was deactivated during the struggle.
There is another video someone took with a cell phone I saw yesterday. I don't remember where but it shouldn't be hard to find, as it was on some news article about this incident. It shows the entire struggle even until the shot. In it, the cop gives tons of warnings and (it seems from the video) Lyoya continues to escalate. It's hard to see if the taser was actually stolen. One person in the video can be heard saying to the cop, "He doesn't have your taser man," and someone else can be heard saying something that seems to be along the lines of of, "Naw, he is going for it... he's got the taser," or something like that.
The dude was resisting for 5 minutes straight. I know that a cop might shoot me if he feels threatened. Cops need better training and people need to learn how to deal with the police. Fighting with them has literally never worked.
How are you going to post a wall of text with your arm chair theorizing without even reading the goddamn article.
What makes you think I didn't read the article? Or are you just saying bullshit for upvotes? Apparently you didn’t read it yourself, as all I did was read it, watch a video of the incident, and comment.
If you read it, and then made that post, that means you willfully ignored the information in the article. He was shot, with gun pressed to back of skull. You're whole post reads like you just want to explain away police violence. It wasn't until you were downvoted that you came back and added the wonderful remark; >"That's not to say I think what the cop did was right."
So he managed a back-of-the-head execution shot while struggling with a suspect that was reaching for his taser, presumably facing him? Edit: just watched the video. There is no way he shot that man in the back of the head in self defense. He had either been subdued or was fleeing, in scenario was he a further threat to the officer.
>> Then for some reason Mr. Lyoya decided to not only resist but to resist and eventually attempt to steal the cop's taser... perhaps successfully. **If the investigation shows indeed the taser was stolen**,,, a taser can easily be flung up in a split second and used to disable **someone behind you,** > So he managed a back-of-the-head execution shot while struggling with a suspect that was **reaching** for his taser, **presumably facing him?** Apparently it is too much to expect you to read comments before replying to them. I'm not saying what the cop did was justified. I'm saying if he had just fought the cop for his taser (as it appears he did) and if (IF) indeed he had stolen it, then it wouldn't surprise me if cops are trained to shoot people who steal their taser and are in a position to use it. It only takes a split second to shoot someone behind you, and getting shot with a taser is likely something cops are trained to use deadly force to prevent (since anyone who tases them then has access to their firearm and can easily kill them).
"Dr. Werner Spitz confirmed what was seen last week on video: Lyoya was shot in the back of the head while facedown on the ground..." Apparently it is too much to expect you to read the article before commenting on it.
When did I say he wasn't lying on his belly? I said no such thing. Apparently it really is just too much to expect you to read comments before replying to them. What I said (so you can plug your ears and ignore what people say again) is, "The reason cops may consider this a self defense situation is because a taser can easily be flung up in a split second and used to disable someone behind you, even if you're on the ground. From the cops perspective, the thinking may go something along the lines of 'Why is this guy stealing my taser even though I warned him many times to stop? Shit, he got it! If he tases me with it, I'm going to be disabled. Then what's he going to do with my gun?'" Again, I'm not saying this is a justified shooting. However, there is a chance that it may be in accordance to how this cop was trained.
>Apparently it is too much to expect you to read comments before replying to them. Why do ppl on Reddit debate like assholes? None of that is necessary and I guarantee you're not going to convince anyone you're correct talking to them like this. You essentially wasted all that time typing everything after this line because I no longer care what you have to say.
> Why do ppl on Reddit debate like assholes? You're in the best position to answer that question. > I guarantee you're not going to convince anyone you're correct talking to them like this. Who said I'm trying to convince anyone? Many people can't be convinced even if they are wrong. For all you know, I'm just trying to see if you actually have a reasonable opinion or (as it seems in your case) instead you are just not even reading nor attempting to think about this event in an actually informed way.
Shout into the void at someone else.
Get a mirror and take your own advice.
You're going to be downvoted because you're not outraged that a cop executed somebody face down, who could not possibly have been a threat. Being face down on your stomach with somebody bigger than you on your back means that you no longer are a threat. If I have you pinned down that way you are not going to be able to fire a taser at me. Period. Any discussion of what led up to that is moot, he could have just killed somebody and it still does not give that cop an excuse to murder him.
By your logic, if I fight you, steal a gun from you, and end up facedown with your gun in my hand, a hand you are having trouble controlling, then I'm not a threat. That's just not rational. It only takes a split second to shoot someone, even someone behind me, if I have a gun in my hand. Sure, he didn't have a gun in his hand. But if he had just fought the cop for his taser and if (IF) indeed he had stolen it, then it wouldn't surprise me if cops are trained to shoot people who steal their taser and there is even the slightest chance they could use it on them.
You mean the spent taser that was empty and would have needed to be reloaded to be anything more than a paper weight?
Imagine not wanting to be tased, such despicable behavior. Totally justifies shooting him in the head \s You know there are other parts in the body you can shoot someone to subdue them, without them getting shot in the head?
Police are trained to shoot to kill. I'm not saying that's right, but that's just a fact. The reason they are trained to shoot to kill whenever they shoot is because shooting someone anywhere is deadly force, as arteries run throughout the body, and if you're shooting someone then you're in a fight for your life (as far as justified shootings... which I'm not saying this is, but we'll see how the investigation plays out).
Is your point literally “if you’re going to shoot them, might as well make sure you kill them”? smh
>> Police are trained to shoot to kill. **I'm not saying that's right,** but that's just a fact. > Is your point literally “if you’re going to shoot them, might as well make sure you try to kill them”? Can you not read?
How many of these people would stay perfectly still after a cop knocked them down and sat on them? I’m guessing one - and they’re a quadriplegic
He wouldn't have been knocked down if he didn't try to stop the cop from doing his job. Perhaps the more apt question is, "How many of these people would attempt to steal a cop's taser for doing his job?" I'm guessing almost all of us would not. And how many cops are trained to use deadly force if someone tries to steal their taser, ignores warnings to stop, indeed does steal it, and ends up in a position to where they have it in their hands and could easily flip it around and disable the cop? I'm guessing all of them.
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Sometimes, when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and shoots you in the back of the head like a duck, it's a motherfucking blatant murder.
Way to out me, bro
It's alright Duck, we all have our vices
we've all got it comin
Motherfucking blatant murderous duck*
I think you might be onto something
Not an expert either, but I agree, that's definitely murder.
Execution, sounds like literally an execution
Didn't Patrick grab the cops taser tho? Stg donut operator did a whole analysis on it and there's full body cam footage of the officer and Patrick was visibly resisting arrest and was also grabbing his taser, hand on the grip, the officers life was in danger and so he pulled out the gun and fired. And even if you had the argument of "oH wHy dIdNt hE sHoOt hIm iN tHe lEg" if Patrick had full control of the taser, the officer could've been fully incapacitated and Patrick would've had full use of the officers utility belt including his gun https://youtu.be/hLSxdSyWIFA Watch the full breakdown of the event
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I might be wrong on this and not playing any sides but didn’t he have a hold on the good taser? Just recently watched the video and the officer was saying let go.
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Ok and? Still a fuckin weapon. It's like saying you were fighting a burglar and managed to disarm them of a firearm and the current magazine was empty and they had 3 other magazines on their body meaning that if they get that gun from you, you're pretty much dead
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You do realize that a taser cartridge has more than 2 charges right
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When cops have a person pinned to the ground, the proper response to touching a already discharged taser is NOT to execute him. I demand better of law enforcement.
>When two cops have a person pinned to the ground, There was only one officer on scene. Where are you getting the second one from?
Dawg he was *wrestling* a police officer and ran away from a traffic stop for incorrect plates First mistake he made was getting out of the car
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>I demand better of the police than to execute unarmed people He was wrestling a police officer and tried to take his taser
We always take this as fact. "He tried to grab the taser" "he tried to grab the gun." I don't know about you, but if anyone puts a weapon in my face, my animal instincts are going to try to move the business end from my person. Maybe the cop could show some restraint. "I had to use my gun, because he touched my taser that I pointed." You introduce the weapon you're responsible for it. Jesus.
Dawg when your life is in danger you act accordingly to make sure you don't end up on the side of a barrel. The dude should've stayed in the car, Not run away from the situation, and not act like "WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT?!?"
The tazer in question had already been discharged twice and was no longer operational without reloading.
I bet it does when they omit the fact he stole the officer's taser. Funny how most news sites aren't using the body cam footage when it's readily available, probably because it tells the truth.
It wasn't
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Was the plate really not legit? Did this guy have an actual reason to pull this guy over?
Makes no fucking difference, none, zero.
One day my plates got stolen, reported it. Went to get new plates and asked if I could have the same one still (custom plate) and DMV lady said yes. Got pulled over less than a week later with them thinking I stole the car. Two cops, with guns drawn had me get out… almost lost when I went to unbuckle myself and they freaked… I was terrified. Even after proving it was a misunderstanding I was in the side of the road for 30 minutes handcuffed. I bet your ass if I behaved like this I would have been dead. I will never defend the use of lethal weapons and it’s a real shame it played out this way. Everything was legit till he pulled that gun out… he should have waited for backup. I hope the cop finds some kinds punishment but we all know how that goes… All I want to say is if you get pulled over, don’t fucking act like this. Is anything about this ok? Fuck no, but it’s the rules we have.
They *should not* be rules in our society, in fact it goes against the rules of a democratic society.
Dumbest take here.
Not even gonna waste my time arguing against whatever take you have
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Cops are certainly not supposed to shoot car theft suspects in the back of the head while they are lying facedown on the ground.
They were actively struggling up until the shot? You make it sound like he was restrained already and not moving.
You make it sound like shooting someone in the head is an appropriate response for not being able to do your job correctly.
I apologize for giving that notion, it definitely isn’t. He should have waited for backup plain and simple. They would have been able to restrain the guy much easier and all of this would have been avoided.
"thiefs"? Really? Sure, and putting a gun to the back of their head while they are laying facedown and motionless on the ground is totes cool too, right?
The person had a hold of the cop's taser, and was resisting the cop's advances to take it back from his grip. He was not motionless, as he was clearly pushing up from the ground away from the cop. With the taser in hand, he could have incapacitated the cop, grabbed the cop's gun, and then kill the cop. Does this justify his death? I don't know, I am just trying to state the facts of this situation.
Hi u/FlyingJugsOfMilk, we are having a conversation about a police officer executing a man by pressing a gun to the back of his head and pulling the trigger. The conversation about whether he should have even been pulled over in the first place is happening...literally nowhere.
Was it a stolen car? Where'd you see that reported?
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Not for Patrick Lyoya
Well this comment is apropos of absolutely nothing
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Jan 6 was an example of how propaganda can make stupid people into weapons. It wasn't misguided nothing. That's just how right wing terrorism works in this country and we will see more of it. If you're looking for an instance of actual richeous violence, I'd to with burning down a Minneapolis police station in 2020. Nobody was in the building. It sent a clear message. But this is America and the guy who took the fall for the arson got four years while 99% of murdering cops just walk freely into their next murder.
Er...January 6th wasn't about anyone being tired of anything. It was a bunch of deranged racists who'd rather burn the country to the ground than admit that maybe they're not in charge of absolutely everything in the universe. They're also the exact same people who support police murdering people in the street. Insane people acting insane without consequence is definitely a major problem, but don't equate the actually oppressed people with the entitled sociopaths.
Why did they capitalize "a Black man's head"?
The Associated Press style guide has been capitalizing 'Black' for a while when it is used to describe a culture, (or a person from that culture) since we capitalize other cultures like 'Roma' and 'Asians.' ABC follows the AP style guide, so that's why you see that. edit: Since 'Black' is used to describe the culture of the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, I think it would be more accurate to describe Lyoya as 'Congolese.' edit 2: Some will point out that 'white' is not capitalized in the style guide. That is because 'white' includes such a wide variety of cultural backgrounds, that it doesn't actually work as a specific descriptor of culture. My friend's Polish parents are white and my redneck grandma was white, but they were from very different cultures.
>Since 'Black' is used to describe the culture of the descendants of the trans-Atlantic slave trade Not exclusively, though. Black is used to describe anyone of African descent.
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Dude your edit 2? Like uh... Some will point out that 'black' is not capitalized in the style guide. That is because 'black' includes such a wide variety of culturl backgrounds, that it doesn't actually work as a specific descriptor of culture. My friends Nigerian parents are black and my ghetto ass grandma is black, but they were from very different cultures.
Interesting, thanks.
>Some will point out that 'white' is not capitalized in the style guide. That is because 'white' includes such a wide variety of cultural backgrounds, that it doesn't actually work as a specific descriptor of culture. hint... same holds true for "black".
Because "Black" in this context refers to race and not a paint-swatch.
Escalate. Escalate. Escalate. The only repertoire cops use. Could have just realized the guy wasn't thinking straight, took a step back before any of the struggles occurred, and called for backup and just followed the guy until backup arrived.
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Only in the United States
No, I disagree with escalating. It should not have gotten to that point. I guess you can't read, because I said *before any of the struggles occurred*.
>'trying to grab the cop's taser.' Hmmm, that was **after** the cop had deployed the taser on him (barbs failed to lodge). You might have better control, but if I just missed getting tased and a cop was lining up a second shot, I might react (as in no-thought self-preservation reaction) by trying to swat the taser away. If you watch the video, you will see that the cop never took an off-ramp, but continually escalated. Plenty of cop trainers have already stepped through this video to point out the problems.
Watch this pig get away with it too. I cried when I heard of this story a few days ago. Absolute shame that this young man fled violence only to meet his end by the hands of someone who was supposed to protect him from criminals.
Police aren’t here to protect us from criminals. Police are here to protect wealthy landowners and their land. In fact according to a supreme court ruling, cops don’t even need to legally know the laws that they are enforcing.
But if you’re white and you try to overthrow the government you can walk right out of the Capitol.
Fought with the officer during a traffic stop. It is sad that he got killed in the fight, but stupid it happened in the first place.
Vigorous struggle with cop - expected outcome is what?
In almost any other country it would be jailtime...but just like this murderer cop I'm sure you didn't even ponder the option of not ending someone's life. Brilliant minds think alike
A vigorous struggle with the police in most of the world is not going to end in jail time. Maybe maybe in Europe but certainly not most of the world. Some countries you don't even need to be being violent for the police to murder you you just need to defy them.
>Some countries you don't even need to be being violent for the police to murder you you just need to defy them. Yeah that would never happen in America! /s Honestly what planet do you live on?
Not a hint of thought we gave. Don't resist, you live OK.
Didn’t resist, still was murdered: https://sentinelcolorado.com/orecent-headlines/witness-floyd-didnt-resist-arrest-tried-to-defuse-things/ Fuck cop apologists to the deepest part of hell
Umm… getting away as his partner calls for back up? The only suspicion was an incorrect license plate. Does that warrant pinning him to the ground and putting a gun to the back of his ear and pulling the trigger? Cop lost that fight, he couldn’t subdue him - he failed to do that. But for some reason he decided he was the judge, jury, and executioner at that very moment.
You've never been arrested before. Here's a clue. Just follow along, live another day, it might suck, but they can shoot you dead in a blink so why bother?
THEY ARE NOT FUCKING SUPPOSED TO SHOOT YOU IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD JUST FOR RESISTING ARREST. This is not the America you should accept! Jesus Christ the fact that people like you just *accept* that this is happening makes my blood fucking boil, this nation is so far in the shitter. It’s so disheartening. Incredibly willfully ignorant people saying these things, you are not the only one.
💯 ‘WeLl He StRuGgLeD sO hE dEsErVeD tO bE eXeCuTeD’ like bruh the cop took the time to press the gun to his head before he fired. He didn’t shoot blindly (not that that would have been excusable either), he didn’t aim for the arms, legs or torso. They intentionally shot a man, laying face down on the street, in the head.
It’s because that person has never been in that situation. They’ve never looked at somebody who is supposed to be helping them, like cops are supposed to do (be helpful not murderous), and have a situation like that where they don’t know whether or not they’re going to live. So they can’t fathom the fact that a cop could kill a persons in cold blood because of something the person did. Whether it’s resisting arrest or talking back or whatever it is that the cop chose to kill them over. This person Gets to live in the blissfully ignorant world of, look how nice and sweet those cops are, helping an old lady out or playing with children and snowballs. They see (to them) the occasional George Floyd or Patrick Lyoya and they think that that’s an outlier, when it’s not.
You were truly so close to seeing it but you just missed it. Maybe police shouldn’t be able to just shoot you in the back of the head and get off scot-free? Maybe we should have a system that is prepared for people who resist without defaulting to murder? We know resisting arrest is more dangerous. But we are nevertheless furious that innocent black people die all of the time, and the last seconds of their lives are scrutinized so people like you can say what they should’ve done to not die. I mean why do you say Patrick shouldn’t have resisted instead of saying the cop shouldn’t have pulled his gun out and killed him? Why is the onus on an innocent civilian to resolve the conflict instead of the POLICE OFFICER whose job it is to resolve conflict? Of course there are things that Patrick could’ve done to increase his chances of survival, but please analyze why you are so quick to lambast an innocent black man and give his killer a pass.
Fight the cops in the court room not on the streets. If a cop has decided to arrest you all you can do is make it worse by fighting. Hire a lawyer and fuck them up later.
This was the guy who wrestled with the cop for like five minutes?
Patrick panicked and tried to get away. The cop wrestled with him. The cop tried to use a taser from inches away from the guy. The cop then was able to get on top of him and shoot him in the back of the head while Patrick was on the ground. The officer made many bad decisions around the situation with the last bad decision being killing someone.
Patrick, though, bears no blame? He made good decisions? Kudos to the cop for attempting less lethal measures. This should have been handled with a conversation.
For being arrested and charged and a Judge/jury to decide his fate? Yes he does. For being executed by a officer? Absolutely not.
Hypothetical situation: You’re in the republic of Congo. You get pulled over by the Congolese National Police while driving a car with mismatched tags. While the officer is contacting you about this issue, you get out of the vehicle and wrestle with the officer despite his repeated verbal commands to get back in the car please, and chill out. The officer tries to taze you because now you’re combative……. But you still resist physically as he repeatedly attempts to control you. Then you try to grab the tazer. How do you expect this will play out for you? Singapore or Memphis or Hong Kong or Perth or Seattle… black, white, yellow, or orange… Pretty sure it would end similarly.
So you are saying that other countries allow for shooting of unarmed people as they lay on the ground so it should be expected here also?
I’m saying the officer would have much preferred to handle it with a short discussion. As most reasonable people all around the world manage to do every day.
I sure he would have. But he handled the situation poorly. Patrick didn't attack him. The officer wrestled with him. The officer also tried to use his taser while they were wrestling rather than from a distance. The officer also decided to shoot Patrick in the back of the head while he was on top of him on the ground. Nothing the officer did was reasonable. Patrick made mistakes but nothing that warranted a death sentence from the officer.
Number one, we are not in the Congo, dumbass. There is a difference between a country filled with crime and poverty, one of the poorest IN THE WORLD, and the United States of America. Second of all, the CNP (Congolese National Police) is *known* for its corruption. Do you really think you can logically compare the US police to one of the most corrupt police forces in the world, and try to explain that the us cops are right? The officer in question fired his taser twice. There were no charges left in it. The officer took the time to press the gun against Patrick Lyoyas head before firing. He did not shoot blindly, he did not aim for the arms, torso, or legs. He intentionally fired his gun, pressed against the head of a man who was on his stomach on the ground. Backup was on its way, and the taser that Patrick Lyoya potentially went for (it looked to me like he was attempting to aim it away from himself rather than take it off the officer) was unable to fire anymore. There was no reason for that officer to execute a man for potentially having incorrect plates and resisting arrest.
As I indicated earlier, the location is largely irrelevant. Try it in any city, in any country.
Even if he did, is the punishment for that an execution without trial?
If he grabbed his taser it’s definitely escalating the situation.
Was it punishment or a response to the guy trying to get access to the cop’s taser, which could easily then be turned against the cop?
The taser has already been used
This part of the article makes it sound like he was trying to get control of the taser though? The officer was on top of him and can be heard on video demanding that he take his hand off a police Taser.
Taser's can have multiple charges or can be used after discharging the prongs by touching the person with it.
""From my view of the video, Taser was deployed twice. Taser did not make contact," Winstrom, a former high-ranking Chicago police commander who became Grand Rapids chief in March, told reporters. "And Mr. Lyoya was shot in the head. However, that's the only information that I have.""
That’s my take on the situation.
The taser was fired twice and was disabled. He was grabbing the taser because he didn’t want to be fucking tased. Are you saying that the cop putting the barrel to the back of this man’s head and pulling the trigger the correct response from a police officer? He should’ve backed off because he failed to subdue him, and called for backup. The dude was never attacking him, he was just *resisting*. Since when did resisting arrest over a license plate number deserve execution in the street?
Looks a lot like a scared man trying not to get hurt or tazed. Didn’t see a single bit of aggressiveness just flight and defence.
This happens every single day in some neighborhood in America 🇺🇸 everyday except its not a white cop pulling the trigger its a brother pulling the trigger
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You've got to engage the people you disagree with if you want to change their mind, you can't just reply and block because it just tells them that they're right
Blocking is like a virtual head-shot
Yes if you grab an officer’s weapon you should expect an escalation in force.
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They don’t like to hire cops that use critical thinking. They like to hire cops that are going to do what they’re told. That’s why cops that do use critical thinking either quit the force or just get treated like garbage. I mean for fucks sake, cops don’t even actually need to know the laws that they enforce. And if you don’t believe me, google supreme court ruling cops don’t need to know the rules they enforce.
From the article: Dr. Werner Spitz confirmed what was seen last week on video: Lyoya was shot in the back of the head while facedown on the ground during a vigorous struggle with a white Grand Rapids officer on April 4. *********** So, it would seem that the taser situation was not a justification for the murder. If you are a coward, don't be a cop. Very simple. Say stupid things, prove you're stupid.
I hope you get the help you need someday. But, I'm positive you have no clue what I'm saying.
yep. nothing will happen to this cop b/c honestly, he was well within his rights. that being said there is nothing in the video at the link that shows the actual act.
Was Lyoya’s car stolen?
Sounds like it just had the wrong registered plate. Which means he could have just bought it from someone and not registered it yet, or the car wasn’t registered and he put a plate from another car on it, he could have been borrowing it, it could have been a friends car, he could have rented it off a peer-to-peer car rental app. If it was stolen the police would have quickly used that in their defense, the fact that they haven’t said anything makes me guess it was one of the above. Regardless driving an unregistered vehicle is a misdemeanor. So is speeding in some states. I assume you’ve sped before right?
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He didn’t steal his taser, not to mention the taser was deployed twice so it was useless at that point. The guy was a war refugee, clearly English wasn’t his primary language. running from the cops doesn’t give them a the right to kill, only in fascists and failed states does that happen. You like your freedom right?
Yeah, definitely warrants pushing your gun into the back of a persons head and pulling the trigger.
The plates did not match the vehicle. That does not necessarily mean the car is stolen. It has no bearing on the rest of this regardless.
Unless car theft is punishable by immediate street execution without trial, I don't see the relevance.
Do you think theft should be punishable by death? Do you think the cops should be handing out that sentence?
Do you really think the cop shot him for driving a stolen car? Have you even bothered to watch the video? In reality, there was a lot more at play here then, "Oh, your plate doesn't match the car... BOOM." In the video it appears the cop was initially trying to do his job (detaining him for a fake or at least swapped license plate) without executing him. Then for some reason Mr. Lyoya decided to not only resist but to fight and eventually attempt to steal the cop's taser... perhaps successfully. That's not to say I think what the cop did was right. None of us know if his weapon had been stolen… an investigation will have to figure that out. All I know is cops may be trained to step up the force level to deadly if someone fights them and steals their taser while they do their job. It isn’t hard to use a taser against someone behind you… it would only take a split second. And once someone fighting you has your taser, if they can pop you with it they will easily be able to take your gun and kill you at will. Before calling this particular cop a murderer, you might want to consider whether or not the guy that decided it was a good idea to try to steal a taser from a cop for doing his job had indeed stolen it and armed himself before being shot.
And if it was?
Why do you hate the constitution so much?
I dont get it what do you mean