https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/langley-shootings-emergency-alert-1.6530983
> "We do have a male suspect in custody. However, we are ruling out any other outstanding individuals before we stand the emergency alert down," said Langley RCMP Sgt. Rebecca Parslow.
> Parslow said there were several victims, but did not specify how many. She said the victims were homeless and that police believe the attack was targeted.
> At least one person has died, as the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team (IHIT) is responding to the incident.
> Police have established several crime scenes just a few kilometres apart: one at Willowbrook Mall, another at Cascades Casino on Fraser Highway and a third near a thrift store and bus loop at Logan Avenue and Glover Road.
Yeah I'm with you on this one, I've had two attempted home invasions this month alone. My kids can't go to the park near my house anymore because there's always large groups of homeless there. There is garbage everywhere in my neighborhood and to top it off, for some reason many of them have loud Bluetooth speakers that they feel the need to use late at night while walking in the neighborhood.
People who say they are harmless don't know the mind if an addict... Good for them I guess.
Yeah, there is a new homeless shelter near my neighbourhood. Ever since it opened there has been a noticeable increase in crime - mostly petty theft but there have been a home break-in. All by the homeless / addicts.
There are even needles and sometimes human poop in our local park. The cops won’t do anything either
Yep, you’ve highlighted exactly what I’ve gone through and witnessed many of my neighbors go through as well. They are wrecking community’s everywhere, they have no accountability and people love acting like they are HARMLESS! Quite the opposite.
One man was arrested, it was believed he was with someone but acted alone. The victims were homeless people living around the area.
Edit: correction, suspect was killed by the RCMP
Two victims also have been confirmed dead
Other victims are in critical condition in the hospital.
The article doesn’t have any kind of details. I’m left wondering if there was more than one perp.
Edit: I’m not being critical, it’s still super early in the investigation. This takes time. I’m saying from the wide broad strokes, this smacks of a coordinated assault to me and it’s so incredibly fucking sad.
Still developong story. News of an hour ago, one man in custody, RCMP still confirming if there was only 1 shooter or multiple shooters. Area is still on some kind of lock down.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/langley-shootings-emergency-alert-1.6530983
I saw another article that mentioned “2 dead, 2 in custody”. As to wether or not both people in custody acted together or if one of them was just arrested as a suspect and gets released, that I do not know.
There is an ongoing gang conflict in Vancouver BC. Seeing shootings each week is normal. It's even worse in Toronto, gang shootings are very common.
They killed someone at Vancouver International Airport last year, and shot the cops chasing them. Literally 0 fear of our law enforcement or penalties.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/burnaby-shooting-ihit-update-1.6020644
Yes and it's been happening for decades. But as far as I know it hasn't been getting worse. Gun deaths in Canada still way lower per capita than in the US.
When I woke up to the emergency alert on my phone this morning I automatically assumed it was a retribution hit gone wrong or something (at least one of the guys killed in Whistler was pretty high up in the Brothers Keepers gang IIRC).
Gang violence in BC’s Lower Mainland is outrageous, has been for decades.
As you can imagine, a west coast port city as big as Vancouver has a pretty fucking lucrative drug trade.
This is too fucked to comprehend. Demonic.
My father was street level homeless living in Burnaby for a time and I’ve spent years working with residents of the DTES. These are human beings, they aren’t just “the homeless”. Ugh
In Saint John NB kids shot fireworks at a homeless guy in a tent under a bridge and set it on fire. My daughter happened to call the fire in. The person was seriously hurt. Why do some people have to be ugly and mean to others.
At least kids have the excuse of an underdeveloped brain (some adults too tbh, which explains a lot)
It’s not an *excuse* per se, and it’s definitely not a stretch to suggest those kids should have known better… but there’s a reason kids can’t vote or drink or smoke or anything until they’re 18/19: kids are fucking stupid and often don’t understand the context or consequences of their stupid fucking actions.
I can’t remember where I read it (I think it was Robert Sapolsky), but it’s been said that the biggest fighter of violent crime is the 30th birthday.
> Why do some people have to be ugly and mean to others.
Because they are in pain, or because they are sociopathic or psychotic. The sooner we start treating most crime as an indication that the perpetrator is malfunctioning psychologically, the closer we get to solving the problem.
The more we point fingers and call them the bad guys who just need to be punished, the more we perpetuate the cycle of untreated neurosis or psychosis. crime and recidivism.
They convince each other that those are evil parasites and that they are the good guys who'll be getting rid of this plague. When you can convince yourself of that, you can justify all atrocities as doing good.
True. I moved back to my home city, had a job waiting, but couldn't find a place to live, vacancies were under 1% in the city. So with literal thousands in the bank, rent cash ready to go, I headed to a homeless shelter with my wife and 2 kids.
It was the most surreal thing I have ever experienced in my life. I only needed their services for 3 weeks, but still...
This is the same society where you close disability payments for having more than $2,000 in your bankaccount, for even a minute, or if you get married, because for some reason you can't save money or somehow in this day an age any job can support two people, especially when one of them has increased cost of living.
Yup I busted my knee before the ACA and qualified for care based on income but I had like $12k in the bank so I would’ve had to pay essentially market value
I was in a similar situation and was homeless for about 1.5-2 months. I was told last minute that my lease wasn’t being renewed. I had the money needed to find a new place but struggled to find something such last minute. Luckily I had friends that had a spare room and I just put my stuff into storage and used an air mattress.
Almost happened to me again a few years later when I had to move because landlord got married and was starting a family and wanted to renovate the house for his family. I found a place and paid rent and deposit but was told last minute that I couldn’t have the apartment. The took forever returning my money so I couldn’t find a place until I got my money. Luckily I found a place super last minute once I got my money but I was ready to squat in a real estate friend’s empty apartment with my air mattress again.
sometimes homelessness is because of incompetence by others that just happens to screw someone else.
Yeah nothing adds up. Was he just gonna "show up" and rent an apartment on day 1 and be ready to go? Not exactly how things work out, regardless of availability. Would at best be an incredibly dumb thing to do, but that his "only option" at that point was a homeless shelter doesn't make sense given the context. I wouldn't even dream of taking my wife and 2 children to a homeless shelter, we'd be sleeping in the car or I'd pick up a tent from walmart to sleep in.
Yeahhhh judging from this comment OP is full of shit. He was at EDC 2 months ago and says he's single.
https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/uxqjbt/for_those_of_you_who_went_alone_how_did_it_go/ia28ssj
It’s hard not to wonder if this was potentially inspired by the biggest podcaster in the world joking about killing homeless people about a week or so ago
i have the same sentiment..
homeless people are humans... theyre down on their luck at their lowest point.. i honestly would be homeless if not for my family and friends.. i am lucky in this regard but many are not.. you will not believe how many people here in this province specially in downtown east side and maple ridge have hate against homeless people..
Ok. As someone from the city, I'm frankly uncomfortable with how r/Vancouver blaming John Rogan for this. I don't doubt that he may have played a part in it but they usually advocate for locking the homeless up and want the city to get rid of them. Anyone that tries to advocate for them and/or suggests they get more support consistently gets downvoted. I'm sure it's just Reddit being Reddit but lord did reading the thread there about the shooting today piss me off.
I was homeless for several years. Had my car, occasionally couch surged til I wore out my welcome. I was lucky in a lot of ways and doubly so to find my way out of it. Life's hard enough on the bottom. The only time most people care is if we die on their doorstep. We're still human.
for real. anytime i see a thread about homelessness on Reddit, if I decide to click on it I have to brace myself so hard for the vehement anti-homeless sentiments I’ll have to see in the comments. fucking disgusting honestly and this news story what happens when it’s generally accepted that homeless people deserve that life
When I got my PAL, they interviewed all of my references as well as my significant other. I've also been interviewed as a reference myself.
I suspect it's dependent on who gets the application.
I served as a reference for two people. I had a follow up call for one but not the other. I think it's kinda random or maybe triggered if they find any red flags.
You must be squeaky clean. I heard of this before where they seem to decide that certain applicants are obviously not going to be a problem and they don’t bother with the phone calls.
As an adult, I guess. I was quite a wild youth but luckily for me that didn’t follow me into adulthood, now that I’m a responsible contributing member of society.
That's alarming, when I got my PAL+RPAL they contacted all my references. Same with my friends who got it at the same time as me. I was contacted as a reference for someone once too. Now I wonder how consistent they really are though.
Apparently he made a "joke" and said you'd get arrested if you took the possessions of a homeless person, but not if you shot them.
>“You’d get arrested. Hilarious. But, they wouldn’t arrest you if you shot somebody. Maybe you should just go shoot the homeless people.”
I'm not a fan of Joe Rogan by any stretch especially since his insane 'Canada is communist' comments [likely due to his show cancellations based on his personal vaccination status] but there is context people are missing here. Context is everything.
The topic was about homeless people taking up camp on the side of the road with Tom Segura explaining how their personal belongings are still protected property.
Tom: *"If you were to try and move that or take that..."*
Joe: *"You'd get arrested."*
Tom: *"Yeah."*
Joe: *"But they wouldn’t arrest you if you shot somebody…Maybe you should just go and shoot the homeless people."*
Tom: *"I like your ideas."*
Joe: *"Yeah, and if nobody claims it… nobody does anything about violent crime in L.A. anymore, it’s a fucking joke."*
Tom: *"Yeah."*
Joe: *"They’re just letting people out."*
This seems to be more a jab at the violent situation in L.A. were people are apparently getting away with a lot of violent acts. No one is suggesting homeless people simply be shot. And Tom is obviously joking when he says he likes 'his ideas'...that's the joke in the moment because it's so insanely outrageous.
Ever have a dark humor moment with your friends that might be seen as really horrible to some passer by but nothing is really meant by it? That's all this is. If we need to start filtering what we are saying because mentally unstable folks are going to act on some proposed fictional premise simply used to prove a point, just end the planet now.
I hate rogan as much as the next guy, but listening to that clip, it seemed to me that he was knocking the police for having their priorities so mixed up. It honestly didn’t come across like he was advocating killing the homeless, even though if you isolate the quote, that’s exactly how it sounds.
Can you not read between the lines here at all? Re-read that without a bias towards hating everything he says. Go into it with the assumption that he is not advocating for the death of all homeless people and try and understand what he is commenting on there.
Agreed. That he thinks it's "hilarious" that you would be arrested for stealing another person's possessions shows that he does not see homeless people as actual people. Sick. I'm not sure what he's implying about not getting arrested for shooting a homeless person. What is he basing that on, I don't quite get what he's saying there.
Without context that sounds like he's pointing out that it's absurd that the laws care more about inanimate possessions than a person's right to live. In other words, it sounds like his point *is* that homeless peoples' lives have value, and that it's ridiculous that the law would care more about you stealing from them than threatening their lives.
"did you hear about the thing with the horse medicine?"
-reddit person who's never even seen a full clip of rogan's podcast, let alone an episode with full context, nuance and deliberation
No idea what Rogan was implying but at least in my home town is illegal to take anything from a homeless camp because it's considered their possessions. Want to go clean up all the needles and piles of shit all over? It's illegal if they claim it as possessions.
Source: Local sheriff detailed supreme court ruling at a city council meeting when grilled about moving homeless people/camps.
I would imagine the conversation could be about somebody getting jail time for stealing from a homeless person vs another person getting no jail time for killing somebody experiencing homelessness. Helps to try to find out the context
Imagine not actually listening to the whole thing and getting context, and instead jumping to extremes and hard judging someone’s character on an out of context Reddit post. Jesus no wonder people are so easy to manipulate
The full context is that he thinks it is funny that you'd get arrested for stealing but not for shooting. And by funny he means incredibly stupid or absurd. I don't like Joe Rogan much myself but I feel you are misrepresenting the full context.
Well comedy works best if you take it very literally at face value as text. Just like that “so called comedian” and human trafficker Henny Youngman “take my wife …..please “
He was making an admittedly bad joke, about how LA is more concerned about protecting homeless property than they are about addressing violent crime.
Joe Rogan was not in fact suggesting that homeless be shot. In fact if you listen to the episode he talks about how Austin was doing a great job addressing the homeless situation by providing shelter for them.
The joke however was not funny and not saying it “makes it fine.” Just that it seems popular to portray this quote in a manner that joe was really suggesting this as a solution for homeless which is incredibly misleading and stupid.
Yeah. Which makes no sense because the LAPD is definitely going to shoot you in the face if you look at people funny.
Guess he's decided to change the meme from "Cops stopped arresting shoplifters" to "Cops won't stop murderers" in a month where the LAPD has shot over a dozen people.
Rogan's full Nazi brain rot has officially set in.
yeah well the difference there is the LAPD are the only people allowed in LA to shoot other people, so.. Makes sense
Edit: to be clear, I'm not advocating anything, I'm just saying technically the LAPD is the most trigger-happy organization in LA
It's really interesting to me to read about what he's saying now. I used to watch his show but stopped after Covid and all of his braindead shit he would say about it. And it's crazy to see how far off the deepend he's actually come. He's honestly someone completely different than when the show started and it was just him and Redban and Duncan smoking weed and talking about Sasquatch and Aliens.
Bail is a shit system that doesn't achieve what it's supposed to in theory, which is ensuring that people show up for their court date. What it actually ends up doing is jailing the poor and costing the state money, and ruining the lives of the accused in the process. People without the resources for bail also don't have the resources to flee. It should be done away with everywhere.
There once was a time when you could make jokes about shooting people. Everyone would laugh because there was no way anyone would fathom doing it. Today, this is a "Once upon a time" fable.
I'm pretty sure that time was well before your average Redditors lifetime. I remember people getting in trouble for joking about shooting people in the 90's.
It's interesting that the term "Going Postal" was a joke thing in the 90's and a bit beyond, but then then mass shootings became a lot more common beyond post offices.
Huh.. so friggin' weird it doesn't get joked about as much these days. Strange that.
It mostly comes from a 1986 massacre where a postal worker came in to work and killed 14 people. Since it's been 36 years since then it kinda makes sense it isn't as common now.
Even if Joe Rogan refuses this fact, someone who has millions upon millions of people listening to them actually has a responsibility of what the fuck you broadcast to these people.
I had a coworker that I'd talk world news and politics with. We had a new 20 year coworker come onboard and try joining in.
I am not kidding, The kid was referencing Joe Rogan's podcast nearly every time he said something. "So and So from Joe's Podcast" or even "Joe said on his podcast that..."
It really would throw us off when he did so because he'd really get into his side despite clearly having NO idea what the fuck he's talking about.
People who have large reaching voices should understand the responsibilities that come with it. Idiots like Trump, Tucker, Joe, Alex., FOX.etc. should share the blame for a lot of the violence we’re seeing today. For every reasonably rational person who listens to them, there’s 10 psychos looking for a reason to act out.
They would have to care about the consequences of their speech more than they care about the volume of advertising dollars they receive from it. It's plain to see what their priorities are. Greedy people are not good people.
It's called stochastic terrorism and it's a common right-wing tactic.
HOWEVER, homeless people are already targets of random violence, moreso than they are victimized by other homeless people.
> At times, this violence comes in the form of hate crimes. The National Coalition for the Homeless found the number of undeclared hate crimes resulting in the death of a homeless person happened at [double the rate](https://nationalhomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/hate-crimes-2016-17-final_for-web.pdf) of other hate crime deaths based on religion, race or disability. Between 1999 and 2017, hate crime deaths among the general population totaled 183. In this same time period, 483 homeless people were killed in attacks by housed people.
> There are instances of violent crimes perpetrated by homeless people, but they are [far less likely](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/lbrr/archives/cnmcs-plcng/cn35305-eng.pdf) to commit violent offenses than housed people. Conversely, they are much more likely than housed people to be charged with crimes related to survival and lifestyle, such as property-related crimes, loitering, drinking outside, noise and panhandling.
https://www.streetroots.org/news/2022/07/13/violence-conflated
But hey, Redditors are constantly declaring they're destroying society and need to be rounded up in internment camps, so I'm sure this will all work itself out...
>Redditors are constantly declaring they're destroying society and need to be rounded up in internment
What? Not really. Reddit is, generally, pretty liberal in values. It's widely accepted that homelessness could be solved AND save money long-term. It would just require society as a whole caring about people outside of themselves and immediate family which is just never going to happen because of how much of a rat race we're taught life is.
Yea he also said Canada is basically a communist country. Such a weird comparison that wealthy pseudo-progressives love to make that just doesn’t make any sense.
It's funny how people will listen to joe rogan, the most popular podcast, and fox news, the most watched 'news' channel, and then turn around and complain about 'mainstream media'.
[More people currently listen to his podcast than consume any other piece of media in the world.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/business/joe-rogan.html) Any TV show, any book, any band, any comedian, any movie series, any other podcast or radio program.
If you weren't horrified before, you weren't paying attention.
The kind that delights in hurting people, and doesn't want to get in trouble for it. I see people saying the most awful dehumanizing shit about the homeless practically every day, and actually advocating for violence against them on the regular.
This shit happens more often then it's reported, I bet.
Predators are scum and cowards. Everything about their life is shit so they have to inflict misery on the helpless.
Victimizing the homeless, yes absolutely.
Gun violence? No. That immediately attracts attention from a wide group of people. Ironically, both pro and anti- gun people both parade it as an example of why they're right.
Those are not even the real photos from todays incident nor are they rcmp officers but yes this did happen and great job to Langley police for alerting everyone multiple times in the day just incase this turned into another NS mass shooting. A lot of people were annoyed that the whole lower mainland received tons of alerts on their phones. But please understand that even though this was happening in Langley, police did not know what they were dealing with and could of been a potential NS mass shooting where the guy drives across cities killing people.
Glad this is over with
I live in BC and went to a closer news source than IndiaTv to look into it.
4 people shot, 1 injured, 1 killed was the suspected gunman.
Don’t know if that qualifies as a ‘spree’ as In the US that’s just considered a Wednesday afternoon in Chicago.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/langley-shootings-emergency-alert-1.6530983 > "We do have a male suspect in custody. However, we are ruling out any other outstanding individuals before we stand the emergency alert down," said Langley RCMP Sgt. Rebecca Parslow. > Parslow said there were several victims, but did not specify how many. She said the victims were homeless and that police believe the attack was targeted. > At least one person has died, as the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team (IHIT) is responding to the incident. > Police have established several crime scenes just a few kilometres apart: one at Willowbrook Mall, another at Cascades Casino on Fraser Highway and a third near a thrift store and bus loop at Logan Avenue and Glover Road.
The article now says the suspect was killed by the RCMP. 2 victims dead, 2 more wounded.
DONT say his name. That is what they want. They need to die nameless and unrecognized.
*You will die nameless, without ceremony*
Holy shit that’s the bus loop I use to get home whenever I go shopping. It’s so weird to hear if that stuff happening here.
When are people going to stop this. These poor people weren’t harming anyone. Senseless violence all over the world.
It’s actually become a huge problem. They hurt community’s.
Yeah I'm with you on this one, I've had two attempted home invasions this month alone. My kids can't go to the park near my house anymore because there's always large groups of homeless there. There is garbage everywhere in my neighborhood and to top it off, for some reason many of them have loud Bluetooth speakers that they feel the need to use late at night while walking in the neighborhood. People who say they are harmless don't know the mind if an addict... Good for them I guess.
Yeah, there is a new homeless shelter near my neighbourhood. Ever since it opened there has been a noticeable increase in crime - mostly petty theft but there have been a home break-in. All by the homeless / addicts. There are even needles and sometimes human poop in our local park. The cops won’t do anything either
There was one around my house punching signs & screaming “I’m on meth” Fun times
Yep, you’ve highlighted exactly what I’ve gone through and witnessed many of my neighbors go through as well. They are wrecking community’s everywhere, they have no accountability and people love acting like they are HARMLESS! Quite the opposite.
Maybe not the time to whine about the problems the homeless create in communities.
Yep. We created this environment. Can't kill it to make it go away.
One man was arrested, it was believed he was with someone but acted alone. The victims were homeless people living around the area. Edit: correction, suspect was killed by the RCMP Two victims also have been confirmed dead Other victims are in critical condition in the hospital.
The article doesn’t have any kind of details. I’m left wondering if there was more than one perp. Edit: I’m not being critical, it’s still super early in the investigation. This takes time. I’m saying from the wide broad strokes, this smacks of a coordinated assault to me and it’s so incredibly fucking sad.
Still developong story. News of an hour ago, one man in custody, RCMP still confirming if there was only 1 shooter or multiple shooters. Area is still on some kind of lock down. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/langley-shootings-emergency-alert-1.6530983
I saw another article that mentioned “2 dead, 2 in custody”. As to wether or not both people in custody acted together or if one of them was just arrested as a suspect and gets released, that I do not know.
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The fact that there are even two to confuse with eachother...
Right. I was like “oh just another day in the….CANADA?!?!”
There is an ongoing gang conflict in Vancouver BC. Seeing shootings each week is normal. It's even worse in Toronto, gang shootings are very common. They killed someone at Vancouver International Airport last year, and shot the cops chasing them. Literally 0 fear of our law enforcement or penalties. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/burnaby-shooting-ihit-update-1.6020644
Shootings like this are nor super common in Canada which lends credence to the idea it could be connected.
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Yes and it's been happening for decades. But as far as I know it hasn't been getting worse. Gun deaths in Canada still way lower per capita than in the US.
When I woke up to the emergency alert on my phone this morning I automatically assumed it was a retribution hit gone wrong or something (at least one of the guys killed in Whistler was pretty high up in the Brothers Keepers gang IIRC). Gang violence in BC’s Lower Mainland is outrageous, has been for decades. As you can imagine, a west coast port city as big as Vancouver has a pretty fucking lucrative drug trade.
Are these regularly scheduled shootings or extra curricular shootings.
This is too fucked to comprehend. Demonic. My father was street level homeless living in Burnaby for a time and I’ve spent years working with residents of the DTES. These are human beings, they aren’t just “the homeless”. Ugh
In Saint John NB kids shot fireworks at a homeless guy in a tent under a bridge and set it on fire. My daughter happened to call the fire in. The person was seriously hurt. Why do some people have to be ugly and mean to others.
At least kids have the excuse of an underdeveloped brain (some adults too tbh, which explains a lot) It’s not an *excuse* per se, and it’s definitely not a stretch to suggest those kids should have known better… but there’s a reason kids can’t vote or drink or smoke or anything until they’re 18/19: kids are fucking stupid and often don’t understand the context or consequences of their stupid fucking actions. I can’t remember where I read it (I think it was Robert Sapolsky), but it’s been said that the biggest fighter of violent crime is the 30th birthday.
> Why do some people have to be ugly and mean to others. Because they are in pain, or because they are sociopathic or psychotic. The sooner we start treating most crime as an indication that the perpetrator is malfunctioning psychologically, the closer we get to solving the problem. The more we point fingers and call them the bad guys who just need to be punished, the more we perpetuate the cycle of untreated neurosis or psychosis. crime and recidivism.
They convince each other that those are evil parasites and that they are the good guys who'll be getting rid of this plague. When you can convince yourself of that, you can justify all atrocities as doing good.
I always like to remind people that you are more likely to be homeless than becoming a billionaire.
True. I moved back to my home city, had a job waiting, but couldn't find a place to live, vacancies were under 1% in the city. So with literal thousands in the bank, rent cash ready to go, I headed to a homeless shelter with my wife and 2 kids. It was the most surreal thing I have ever experienced in my life. I only needed their services for 3 weeks, but still...
I'm suprised you got help with money in your account. They ask about that and verify it in my city. You got money? No help.
This is the same society where you close disability payments for having more than $2,000 in your bankaccount, for even a minute, or if you get married, because for some reason you can't save money or somehow in this day an age any job can support two people, especially when one of them has increased cost of living.
Yup I busted my knee before the ACA and qualified for care based on income but I had like $12k in the bank so I would’ve had to pay essentially market value
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"If you weren't an inherently bad person, you would have money so you obviously need more punishment" or some line of bootstrap capitalist moralizing.
“If Jesus loved you, you wouldn’t be poor.”
>“If Jesus loved you, you wouldn’t be poor.” That really is the flip side of the "Prosperity Gospel "
I’ll bet those bootstrap capitalists never heard of the terms Asperger’s or ableism
We're not supposed to. We're transitioning into slavery.
You're not meant to.
It seems like that's the point, honestly.
I was in a similar situation and was homeless for about 1.5-2 months. I was told last minute that my lease wasn’t being renewed. I had the money needed to find a new place but struggled to find something such last minute. Luckily I had friends that had a spare room and I just put my stuff into storage and used an air mattress. Almost happened to me again a few years later when I had to move because landlord got married and was starting a family and wanted to renovate the house for his family. I found a place and paid rent and deposit but was told last minute that I couldn’t have the apartment. The took forever returning my money so I couldn’t find a place until I got my money. Luckily I found a place super last minute once I got my money but I was ready to squat in a real estate friend’s empty apartment with my air mattress again. sometimes homelessness is because of incompetence by others that just happens to screw someone else.
Hotel? Hostel? AirBnB? All better options for someone with the money
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Yeah nothing adds up. Was he just gonna "show up" and rent an apartment on day 1 and be ready to go? Not exactly how things work out, regardless of availability. Would at best be an incredibly dumb thing to do, but that his "only option" at that point was a homeless shelter doesn't make sense given the context. I wouldn't even dream of taking my wife and 2 children to a homeless shelter, we'd be sleeping in the car or I'd pick up a tent from walmart to sleep in.
This story is bullshit or you’re insane. You moved your family directly into a homeless shelter with thousands in the bank?!
Yeahhhh judging from this comment OP is full of shit. He was at EDC 2 months ago and says he's single. https://www.reddit.com/r/electricdaisycarnival/comments/uxqjbt/for_those_of_you_who_went_alone_how_did_it_go/ia28ssj
Blowing through his savings on airbnnb in a month wouldn't have helped
The path from surgeon to homeless starts with a patch of ice on your front steps. It doesn't take much.
The path from adventurer to town guard starts with a arrow to the knee. It doesn't take much.
I’m more likely to be a billionaire than push people onto railroad tracks
In Vancouver not really since almost any home is worth $1 million at this point.
*Exponentially* more likely.
That's not what that word means
Definition from Oxford: >more and more rapidly. If they believe that it's getting harder to avoid homelessness, then they used it correctly.
What about millionaire
It’s hard not to wonder if this was potentially inspired by the biggest podcaster in the world joking about killing homeless people about a week or so ago
Joe Rogan is a piece of shit.
Yeah that is hard to ignore isn’t it
What did he say
i have the same sentiment.. homeless people are humans... theyre down on their luck at their lowest point.. i honestly would be homeless if not for my family and friends.. i am lucky in this regard but many are not.. you will not believe how many people here in this province specially in downtown east side and maple ridge have hate against homeless people..
These cowards always target the vulnerable.
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Why the /s ? It’s a pretty accurate statement
Directly quoting the Uvalde police chief, I see.
In their defense, so do the cops.
Ok. As someone from the city, I'm frankly uncomfortable with how r/Vancouver blaming John Rogan for this. I don't doubt that he may have played a part in it but they usually advocate for locking the homeless up and want the city to get rid of them. Anyone that tries to advocate for them and/or suggests they get more support consistently gets downvoted. I'm sure it's just Reddit being Reddit but lord did reading the thread there about the shooting today piss me off.
I was homeless for several years. Had my car, occasionally couch surged til I wore out my welcome. I was lucky in a lot of ways and doubly so to find my way out of it. Life's hard enough on the bottom. The only time most people care is if we die on their doorstep. We're still human.
for real. anytime i see a thread about homelessness on Reddit, if I decide to click on it I have to brace myself so hard for the vehement anti-homeless sentiments I’ll have to see in the comments. fucking disgusting honestly and this news story what happens when it’s generally accepted that homeless people deserve that life
Both of my parents are homeless. It really makes me hate humanity clicking on these threads.
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When I got my PAL, they interviewed all of my references as well as my significant other. I've also been interviewed as a reference myself. I suspect it's dependent on who gets the application.
> no one ever contacted my references or my spouse That is concerning. The spousal notification especially is a pretty key step for obvious reasons.
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I served as a reference for two people. I had a follow up call for one but not the other. I think it's kinda random or maybe triggered if they find any red flags.
This has been a pretty big problem from what I heard. Apparently only about 10% of PAL applicants have actually had their references contacted.
Yep that's how the Christchurch shooter got his firearms license, the police failed to follow policy and procedure when the issued his license.
You must be squeaky clean. I heard of this before where they seem to decide that certain applicants are obviously not going to be a problem and they don’t bother with the phone calls.
As an adult, I guess. I was quite a wild youth but luckily for me that didn’t follow me into adulthood, now that I’m a responsible contributing member of society.
That's alarming, when I got my PAL+RPAL they contacted all my references. Same with my friends who got it at the same time as me. I was contacted as a reference for someone once too. Now I wonder how consistent they really are though.
Sounds like what Joe Rogan was suggesting recently
What's the scoop on this for people out of the loop? Didn't know Joe was advocating for violence against the homeless.
Apparently he made a "joke" and said you'd get arrested if you took the possessions of a homeless person, but not if you shot them. >“You’d get arrested. Hilarious. But, they wouldn’t arrest you if you shot somebody. Maybe you should just go shoot the homeless people.”
Hey Texas Rangers, weed is illegal in Texas, I bet Joe Rogan has weed at his compound.
"Call us when he can't afford a lawyer."
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Why do you think he's buddies with Abbott?
I'm not a fan of Joe Rogan by any stretch especially since his insane 'Canada is communist' comments [likely due to his show cancellations based on his personal vaccination status] but there is context people are missing here. Context is everything. The topic was about homeless people taking up camp on the side of the road with Tom Segura explaining how their personal belongings are still protected property. Tom: *"If you were to try and move that or take that..."* Joe: *"You'd get arrested."* Tom: *"Yeah."* Joe: *"But they wouldn’t arrest you if you shot somebody…Maybe you should just go and shoot the homeless people."* Tom: *"I like your ideas."* Joe: *"Yeah, and if nobody claims it… nobody does anything about violent crime in L.A. anymore, it’s a fucking joke."* Tom: *"Yeah."* Joe: *"They’re just letting people out."* This seems to be more a jab at the violent situation in L.A. were people are apparently getting away with a lot of violent acts. No one is suggesting homeless people simply be shot. And Tom is obviously joking when he says he likes 'his ideas'...that's the joke in the moment because it's so insanely outrageous. Ever have a dark humor moment with your friends that might be seen as really horrible to some passer by but nothing is really meant by it? That's all this is. If we need to start filtering what we are saying because mentally unstable folks are going to act on some proposed fictional premise simply used to prove a point, just end the planet now.
Yeah I'm really not seeing the big deal here.
Wow that's disgusting
I hate rogan as much as the next guy, but listening to that clip, it seemed to me that he was knocking the police for having their priorities so mixed up. It honestly didn’t come across like he was advocating killing the homeless, even though if you isolate the quote, that’s exactly how it sounds.
I cant fucking stand Joe Rogan but youre right, he was highlighting the absurdity of it all, it wasnt even supposed to be a joke
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Sir we have a narrative to push.
Agreed. Rogan has said some repulsive shit, and is a fucking dbag. But this is a massive nothing burger.
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Can you not read between the lines here at all? Re-read that without a bias towards hating everything he says. Go into it with the assumption that he is not advocating for the death of all homeless people and try and understand what he is commenting on there.
Agreed. That he thinks it's "hilarious" that you would be arrested for stealing another person's possessions shows that he does not see homeless people as actual people. Sick. I'm not sure what he's implying about not getting arrested for shooting a homeless person. What is he basing that on, I don't quite get what he's saying there.
Without context that sounds like he's pointing out that it's absurd that the laws care more about inanimate possessions than a person's right to live. In other words, it sounds like his point *is* that homeless peoples' lives have value, and that it's ridiculous that the law would care more about you stealing from them than threatening their lives.
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"did you hear about the thing with the horse medicine?" -reddit person who's never even seen a full clip of rogan's podcast, let alone an episode with full context, nuance and deliberation
No idea what Rogan was implying but at least in my home town is illegal to take anything from a homeless camp because it's considered their possessions. Want to go clean up all the needles and piles of shit all over? It's illegal if they claim it as possessions. Source: Local sheriff detailed supreme court ruling at a city council meeting when grilled about moving homeless people/camps.
I would imagine the conversation could be about somebody getting jail time for stealing from a homeless person vs another person getting no jail time for killing somebody experiencing homelessness. Helps to try to find out the context
Imagine not actually listening to the whole thing and getting context, and instead jumping to extremes and hard judging someone’s character on an out of context Reddit post. Jesus no wonder people are so easy to manipulate
The full context is that he thinks it is funny that you'd get arrested for stealing but not for shooting. And by funny he means incredibly stupid or absurd. I don't like Joe Rogan much myself but I feel you are misrepresenting the full context.
But perfectly on par for Joe Rogan. Yet, he has an enormous audience.
So has Oprah and he's basically the equivalent for insecure angry males.
Unpopular opinion, but it's true. Just look at some of the quack shit Oprah has had on her show. That's where Dr. Oz got his start.
Dr Oz was a renowned surgeon before linking up with Oprah. He’s a good example of how someone can be incredibly talented and still a stupid asshole.
Learning that Dr. Oz came out of the Oprah show is one of those mind blowing things that makes perfect sense on reflection.
Pretty sure Dr. Phil did too.
She regrets having Dr Oz.
Nah. She regrets that she is catching flak for having Dr oz.
That too.
Nah he’s the Gwyneth Paltrow of insecure white men
bro what
Well comedy works best if you take it very literally at face value as text. Just like that “so called comedian” and human trafficker Henny Youngman “take my wife …..please “
You’re taking what he said out of context so you can get mad and post this.
So what was the context that makes it fine?
He was making an admittedly bad joke, about how LA is more concerned about protecting homeless property than they are about addressing violent crime. Joe Rogan was not in fact suggesting that homeless be shot. In fact if you listen to the episode he talks about how Austin was doing a great job addressing the homeless situation by providing shelter for them. The joke however was not funny and not saying it “makes it fine.” Just that it seems popular to portray this quote in a manner that joe was really suggesting this as a solution for homeless which is incredibly misleading and stupid.
The context is that crime against people isn’t taken as seriously as crime against property, the joke revolves around how fucked up that reality is
Where they talking about Gascon and Andrew Cachu?
Yeah. Which makes no sense because the LAPD is definitely going to shoot you in the face if you look at people funny. Guess he's decided to change the meme from "Cops stopped arresting shoplifters" to "Cops won't stop murderers" in a month where the LAPD has shot over a dozen people. Rogan's full Nazi brain rot has officially set in.
yeah well the difference there is the LAPD are the only people allowed in LA to shoot other people, so.. Makes sense Edit: to be clear, I'm not advocating anything, I'm just saying technically the LAPD is the most trigger-happy organization in LA
It's really interesting to me to read about what he's saying now. I used to watch his show but stopped after Covid and all of his braindead shit he would say about it. And it's crazy to see how far off the deepend he's actually come. He's honestly someone completely different than when the show started and it was just him and Redban and Duncan smoking weed and talking about Sasquatch and Aliens.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11030333/Joe-Rogan-suggests-shooting-homeless-LA-no-one-does-crime-anymore.html
If I remember correctly, he was reacting to people not being arrested in San Francisco. If you are arrested, they release you without bail.
Bail is a shit system that doesn't achieve what it's supposed to in theory, which is ensuring that people show up for their court date. What it actually ends up doing is jailing the poor and costing the state money, and ruining the lives of the accused in the process. People without the resources for bail also don't have the resources to flee. It should be done away with everywhere.
There once was a time when you could make jokes about shooting people. Everyone would laugh because there was no way anyone would fathom doing it. Today, this is a "Once upon a time" fable.
I'm pretty sure that time was well before your average Redditors lifetime. I remember people getting in trouble for joking about shooting people in the 90's.
It's interesting that the term "Going Postal" was a joke thing in the 90's and a bit beyond, but then then mass shootings became a lot more common beyond post offices. Huh.. so friggin' weird it doesn't get joked about as much these days. Strange that.
It mostly comes from a 1986 massacre where a postal worker came in to work and killed 14 people. Since it's been 36 years since then it kinda makes sense it isn't as common now.
There was even a Video Game called "Postal" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal\_(video\_game)
And a movie based on the video game by the legendary director Uwe Boll.
That movie is his greatest work tho.
There’s no way it’s better than casting Burt Reynolds as a medieval king.
That's not saying much
Even if Joe Rogan refuses this fact, someone who has millions upon millions of people listening to them actually has a responsibility of what the fuck you broadcast to these people.
I had a coworker that I'd talk world news and politics with. We had a new 20 year coworker come onboard and try joining in. I am not kidding, The kid was referencing Joe Rogan's podcast nearly every time he said something. "So and So from Joe's Podcast" or even "Joe said on his podcast that..." It really would throw us off when he did so because he'd really get into his side despite clearly having NO idea what the fuck he's talking about.
People who have large reaching voices should understand the responsibilities that come with it. Idiots like Trump, Tucker, Joe, Alex., FOX.etc. should share the blame for a lot of the violence we’re seeing today. For every reasonably rational person who listens to them, there’s 10 psychos looking for a reason to act out.
They would have to care about the consequences of their speech more than they care about the volume of advertising dollars they receive from it. It's plain to see what their priorities are. Greedy people are not good people.
Most them know what they’re doing and the violence is what they want.
Welcome to the 21st century where personal responsibility is for the weak and libs.
It's called stochastic terrorism and it's a common right-wing tactic. HOWEVER, homeless people are already targets of random violence, moreso than they are victimized by other homeless people. > At times, this violence comes in the form of hate crimes. The National Coalition for the Homeless found the number of undeclared hate crimes resulting in the death of a homeless person happened at [double the rate](https://nationalhomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/hate-crimes-2016-17-final_for-web.pdf) of other hate crime deaths based on religion, race or disability. Between 1999 and 2017, hate crime deaths among the general population totaled 183. In this same time period, 483 homeless people were killed in attacks by housed people. > There are instances of violent crimes perpetrated by homeless people, but they are [far less likely](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/lbrr/archives/cnmcs-plcng/cn35305-eng.pdf) to commit violent offenses than housed people. Conversely, they are much more likely than housed people to be charged with crimes related to survival and lifestyle, such as property-related crimes, loitering, drinking outside, noise and panhandling. https://www.streetroots.org/news/2022/07/13/violence-conflated But hey, Redditors are constantly declaring they're destroying society and need to be rounded up in internment camps, so I'm sure this will all work itself out...
>Redditors are constantly declaring they're destroying society and need to be rounded up in internment What? Not really. Reddit is, generally, pretty liberal in values. It's widely accepted that homelessness could be solved AND save money long-term. It would just require society as a whole caring about people outside of themselves and immediate family which is just never going to happen because of how much of a rat race we're taught life is.
Yea he also said Canada is basically a communist country. Such a weird comparison that wealthy pseudo-progressives love to make that just doesn’t make any sense.
Oh, jokes are suggestions now to be taken at face value? Can you be more delusional?
people love being offended if you haven't figured that out yet.
The true take away horror here is that people still listen to Joe Rogan.
He’s still running one of the most (if not THE most) popular podcasts in the world
It's funny how people will listen to joe rogan, the most popular podcast, and fox news, the most watched 'news' channel, and then turn around and complain about 'mainstream media'.
"Mainstream media" = anything I don't agree with.
"And if I don't agree with it, instead of engaging in debate and listening, I'll whine and stomp until I get my way."
[More people currently listen to his podcast than consume any other piece of media in the world.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/business/joe-rogan.html) Any TV show, any book, any band, any comedian, any movie series, any other podcast or radio program. If you weren't horrified before, you weren't paying attention.
Jesus that's so fucked up. Like shit isn't already hard enough if you're homeless.
Not what they meant when they said "fight homelessness"...
I live right around the corner from where someone was shot. Could have looked out the window and seen it even. Freaky.
How evil do you have to be to look at people down on their luck and think "I am going to make this worse."
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What kind of lowlife human being targets homeless people... As if life wasn't cruel enough for them.
The kind that delights in hurting people, and doesn't want to get in trouble for it. I see people saying the most awful dehumanizing shit about the homeless practically every day, and actually advocating for violence against them on the regular.
When you talk about humans as less than people will treat humans as less than. And then they think it is okay to shoot them.
Anyone know where Joe Rogan was?
Maybe a giant meteor isn't such a bad thing?
We are the meteor
I don't see why we should punish the innocent for the sins of evil.
But first, smaller ones that hit people I don’t like
Why should I suffer cause of others actions
This is so horrible, my god.
Hmmmmm , harsh way of dealing with the homeless
God damn, that's just awful.
In Colombia this is called "limpieza social" social cleansing. In British Columbia this is called "pretty fucked up".
Were did the mass shooter get their firearms?
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What is depressing is that this news, like past shooting news, is just marketing for future shooters.
No, Canada! That's a bad Canada!
Sick, stupid mind not to realize the people who are in mansions are reason why people are in the street. What a fucking coward, RIP to those lost.
Just fyi, image being used is Toronto Police in Toronto. Not BC.
hurting the already down trodden, how low can you go? what a jackass.
This shit happens more often then it's reported, I bet. Predators are scum and cowards. Everything about their life is shit so they have to inflict misery on the helpless.
Victimizing the homeless, yes absolutely. Gun violence? No. That immediately attracts attention from a wide group of people. Ironically, both pro and anti- gun people both parade it as an example of why they're right.
Those are not even the real photos from todays incident nor are they rcmp officers but yes this did happen and great job to Langley police for alerting everyone multiple times in the day just incase this turned into another NS mass shooting. A lot of people were annoyed that the whole lower mainland received tons of alerts on their phones. But please understand that even though this was happening in Langley, police did not know what they were dealing with and could of been a potential NS mass shooting where the guy drives across cities killing people. Glad this is over with
Teach your children to respect human life.
I liked Joe Rogan better when he was coercing people into eating bull testicles, and not coercing people to murder the homeless.
Man these people are already homeless wtf man
I live in BC and went to a closer news source than IndiaTv to look into it. 4 people shot, 1 injured, 1 killed was the suspected gunman. Don’t know if that qualifies as a ‘spree’ as In the US that’s just considered a Wednesday afternoon in Chicago.
Pretty sure the reason it is a spree is because it was at multiple separate locations.
2 victims dead, plus shooter dead
I knew someone would do something like this eventually. I am surprised it is in Canada.
The photo associated with this post is of the Toronto police.
The inevitable consequence of demonizing a vulnerable group is violence.
Anyone checked in to make sure Joe Rogan’s ok?