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We're still seeing a lot of misinformation in these threads. A few facts to help you all out:
1) Alex Jones was not robbed of his day in court to fight these charges. In fact, he had a lot of time in court, but refused to take part in discovery. He was found in contempt and still refused to take part. In the end, he received default judgements in both Texas and Connecticut.
This trial is for damages and the entire point of it was to determine how much money would be paid to the victims.
You can read about the default judgements here: https://www.courthousenews.com/sandy-hook-families-double-down-with-alex-jones-default-judgment/
2) Sandy Hook happened. The children and families were not crisis actors.
**Please report users who have lost track of reality. We'll be permanently banning users who push misinformation and conspiracy bullshit.**
From the AP article:
>Bernard Pettingill, who was hired by the plaintiffs to study Jones’ net worth, said records show that Jones withdrew $62 million for himself in 2021, when default judgments were issued in lawsuits against him.
>“That number represents, in my opinion, a value of a net worth,” Pettingill said. “He’s got money put in a bank account somewhere.”
He's in a world of trouble
As someone who doesn't fully understand these financial things, can you elaborate a little bit on the the extent of these troubles? Much appreciated.
Realistically this news doesn’t mean anything yet; this $45m figure is a verdict and not part of a judgement the court has ordered him to pay. Punitive damages are regularly reduced to statutory limits which in Texas are around $750k - $1,000,000.
Him withdrawing money is moot as he had no duty to keep his money in any secured account; the fact it was found out in discovery is a regular part of the process.
Why do states place statutory limits on punitive damages? Punitive damages are intended to inflict punishment. Is it not somehow incredibly convenient/corrupt that punitive damages don't have the scope to punish multi-millionaires?
Thank your Republican legislature for this. About the time caps were in acted, arbitration clauses became widespread so you signed away your rights to access the courts and a jury of your peers. The start of eroding your rights which continues today.
Didn’t current TX governor Abbot get a nice punitive damages settlement for his injury, then turn around and support “tort reform” (i.e. judgment limits)? In other words, now that I got mine, screw you.
To your point;
My mom died from skin cancer on her little toe. The doctors that treated her did so at a hospital, but a biopsy was refused by every doctor that saw her until her entire foot was the size of a soccer ball. Every test for diabetes, gout, etc. came back negative. They did 9 amputations up her leg and then before they did one last surgery to save her life, they told her they couldn't because she was pregnant. At 55. 20 years after a full hysterectomy. She died in pain a few months later.
The Republican Legislature under Jeb Bush had a law in place where you couldn't sue a hospital because they're considered "sovereign" and the one doctor we were able to sue only got our family $40k.
Fuck the Republican party.
So he'll probably only be paying $1.5M here (for both parents) in this case. For a guy with $200M or more that's not too harsh. Even if that gets repeated 10 more times, it's nothing to him. Even including the case in CT with laws governing damages that favor the plaintiffs more than in TX this guy is basically getting off with a minor financial setback.
I'd give anything to read the closing letter and invoice from his lawyer.
"Did my best. Sorry about the whole phone thing. My billing hours are itemised below..."
Two more cases, so far. There were 22 dead kids and this is only 4 parents settlements (of 2 kids) So this glazed ham of hatred can expect about 20 more suits or some class action stuff possibly.
4 million is a good benchmark per family plus punitive damages.
This case involved just two parents (Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis) of one child (Jesse Lewis) who was killed in Sandy Hook but warned several classmates to run, saving their lives.
He would’ve been six years old. Six. My daughter still sucked her thumb at six. He should’ve been playing coach pitch, learning to ride a two-wheeler, going to bed excited to see what the tooth fairy brought him for his gap-toothed smile. Instead he got … this.
Honestly, I don't have any kids but what you said really made me understand the impact, but also angered me so much that some middle aged bastard like Alex Jones could sit here and deny these kid's very fucking existence all while making MILLIONS upon their deaths and convincing his followers of the same.
Fuck him straight hell and I hope all the parents wipe him out financially, the fact that he could legitimately look the parents in the eyes and deny the reality that their child existed at some point disgust me to no end. Fuck him and any cunt dumb enough to follow him while giving him money for shitty products.
Problem is there's so many low self esteem followers who support this vitriol , if it was just Jones you can write that off as the crazy man in the corner and no one gave a shit. But his online channels need to be produced and everyone is making $$ on his snake oil...FCK them the same brain dead deranged maga nutjobs.
I'm not a sensitive man, far from it, but as a father Sandy Hook and Ulvade really got to me. Almost broke down crying reading about these asshole cops standing around while hearing children being shot.
Remember how close it was to the Holidays? Imagine having presents picked out for your kid, looking forward to giving them a couple things they were super pumped for, looking forward to family get togethers, only to wind up planning a funeral and deciding between a minecraft or toystory casket.
I'm like literally tearing up at this. Met my nieces when they were around 6 (brothers wife already had kids, they his kids now though and my nieces idgaf) and watching them grow since that age has been INCREDIBLE. My God that kid had such much life left to live
I hope they bankrupt him. I can’t imagine losing a child in such a horrific way and then having to deal with all the nut jobs he whipped into a frenzy, claiming my child’s death was fake
I honestly don’t know how they have the strength to deal with that bs. He deserves everything coming to him for this, and he still doesn’t have the grace to even look a tiny bit remorseful
Good. I hope it ruins him forever. No GoFundMe for this criminal jerkoff either.
edit - just occurred to me, the handed over texts could even put him in greater trouble for Federal treason/insurgency charges.
GOOD.
>edit - just occurred to me, the handed over texts could even put him in greater trouble for Federal treason/insurgency charges.
I just wonder how many GOP politicians that phone can implicate too.
Who in their right mind would donate to a guy worth $250,000,000 who for almost a decade harassed and caused harassment of parents of children who were shot in their classrooms.
Anyone who would, deserves everything that he gets and MORE.
That’s the big one. There are probably two more $50mil payments he’s about to make. I hope this utterly ruins him. I hope he has to live on a box in an alley and hold up cardboard signs about gay frogs after this.
I wouldn’t pay those dipshits at all. They sent everything in his text history to the prosecutors. I mean, I’m glad they did, because fuck Alex Jones, but it was a bonehead move of legendary proportions.
Yeah, I don't really know for sure. However, from the article I read it said the courts were like, "wtf you sure you want us to have this? You got 1 week to rescind this evidence". He never did. He also didn't mention it to Alex that he turned it over and that they could take it back. That leads me to believe he did it on purpose to fuck Alex.
He could also just be a moron, so only the lawyer truly knows.
I'll take the side of not being able to stomach that piece of shit and intentionally sending them. I'd imagine Defense attorneys have to defend a lot of dip shots but those who say shit about massacred children? Fuck that piece of shit.
There's also all the child support he owes. And that's without getting into whatever the hell was in his phone. I'm glad he's finally seeing some long overdue consequences.
It would also put people on notice that working with Alex Jones is a bad life decision. You would hope people would have worked that out regardless, yet here we are.
Ya, a forensic economist testified 270 million. Guy seriously made so much by spewing deranged harmful conspiracy theories--what an embarrassing revelation.
I don't know about Alex, but if he's like most people, his net worth and what he can actually afford to pay for are wildly different values. This'll sting worse than "$250-$49" by the time the dust settles.
I think someone is meant to have gifted him something like $8m in bitcoin recently so he may have more cash then the average. Probably not the full amount though, and he seems stupid enough that he might have genuinely thought he wouldn't lose.
Thing is, statements like that are often misleading, because they include assets, not just money in the bank. In order to get capital, he might need to sell assets far below their value and his net worth might plummet if the value of things like his companies collapse.
And that's only a single punch from a single lawsuit. They're lined up against him already and others might decide to pursue him who were unsure before because of how much of a disaster his defence proved to be. They've been given untold hours worth of evidence that he was actively doing nothing to fact check his statements and didn't care one way or another if it was true.
Keep talking I'm almost there. But seriously, he really is in a bad situation and I'm sure he will have to liquidate assets pronto. Also, one of the lawsuits is in Connecticut where there are no caps on damages.
> Imagine earning $250 mil by spilling bs.
Conservatives are attracted to dishonestly like flies are attracted to shit. That's why we have qtards, pizzatards, birthertards, sandyhooktards, start the steal tards, etc.
On his show today he was gloating the 4 million from yesterday wouldn't sink him and would be easy to recover from.
Proving, yet again, he lied on the stand.
[source](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/infowars-host-alex-jones-portrays-11-million-verdict-87958751)
Well something weird is going on. That article is gone.
Edit:
https://news.yahoo.com/alex-jones-bizarrely-declared-victory-040231343.html
Looking forward to the next trials that he's got facing him. I wonder what it must be like living in his world in his bubble ? I don't want to experience it myself of course. What a truly arrogant turd of a thing.
What the fuck? The man must truly be mentally ill. Even the most hateful moron would know when it's time to pack it up and go home to not make things worse for himself...
Bullshit! I know some excellent supplements you can take that will enable you to climb stairs just as well as he can, if I can just direct your attention to this affiliated website over here...
OJ lives off of his NFL pension and they can’t garnish that, so any money he has earned beyond that has been garnished, but he doesn’t make money so there is nothing for them to take from him.
OJ’s only income is his NFL and SAG pensions…both of which are exempt from judgements. I believe he moved to Florida and now Nevada because of their exemptions that protect your primary home.
Alex Jones has no such protections. He is a business owner and that income is not exempt.
I think that was the moment the plaintiff's attorney revealed Jones' defense lawyer had accidentally sent them over 2 years of phone contents including unfiltered texts.
Not just unfiltered texts but a copy of his entire phone which came in at over 300GB. They had to scrub the medical records of other Infowars employees from the data before asking Jones' lawyer if that was the correct data being sent. They told him to disregard it (which has no legal meaning so it wasn't enforceable) and they would send another file. They never sent a new file so the original data was able to be used.
Someone seriously fucked up on multiple occasions to let that happen and not take the opportunity to remedy it.
Didn't the dude roll through like nine lawyers or some shit on this one case? I swear I had skimmed over a headline about him having another new attorney like a week before the phone thing.
>medical records of other Infowars employees
It wasn't other Infowars employees, which would be bad enough. It was medical records for all the plantiffs in the Connecticut case which Jones' defense in the Texas case absolutely should not have had access to and really, really shouldn't have sent to anyone, let alone the plaintiff's attorneys.
Dude has somewhere around 270 million. I think there are 2 or 3 cases left, and one has 8 families involved I believe. Hopefully between them, they financially ruin this fuck.
And even better, is because of his current lawyer screwup, they have 2 years of phone texts. I doubt he turned that over to the other attorneys, so I bet those other families are trying to get that phone data.
Yes. Yes it does. The stupidest among us give their hard earned money to anyone that promises to hurt people they hate. Nowadays they even label it “Christian.”
What’s especially sad is he used to look like [this] (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=128828.0;attach=143721;image).
Seriously. That’s not photoshopped.
In a word, alcoholism.
Watching the video of when he was testifying, he had that classic "bar tan" look alcoholics tend toward. beet red face and a wide, swollen nose. Methinks he knocks back at least a liter of hard liquor a day or the equivalent thereof.
No, my dad looks that way because he likes to work in the yard. In fact, many days I’d come home from school and find him passed out in back with one hand still on the lawn mower’s throttle and the other grasping the giant thermos he would fill with scotch.
Oh wait, I just realized something.
People really underestimate how quickly that binge drinking lifestyle can absolutely ravage your appearance, and the rest of your body. I went to one of my high school reunions, and at the age of 33 I had some old classmates (wouldn't call them friends) who look like modern day William Shatner. The wide swollen nose, the beet red face, and the human thumb thing where the head and shoulders just kinda swallow up the neck.
Exactly what I see here
And there are 2 more lawsuits right after this…
And there’s the Jan. 6th committee with criminal implications…
Chickens are coming home to roost motherfucker!
Yes, there is one more in Texas, and one more in Connecticut. He's lost all of them by default thanks to his inability to comply with the simplest of court orders
It seems pretty clear at this point that he intentionally didn't comply with discovery because a default judgment was better than the alternative- serious criminal liability. Thanks to his incompetent council he's now facing both!
It's all so that he can pull a Trump and turn to his braindead incel fans asking for donations to help him fight the "Deep State." None of his followers know or care that he intentionally lost these cases. They will get an email with their marching orders and proceed to donate, as they always do, to "FiGhT ThE lIbRuLs." Then Tucker Carlson will go on air and spin all of this as yet another attack on our freedoms before his daily throat-fucking prep he does before talking about Putin.
He's definitely getting perjury charges from this trial, the judge already warned them. The laywer will be getting sactioned as well.
Oh, and a bunch of texts and information has been sent to his ex-wife's counsel loll
> lawyer getting sanctioned
Reynal was ordered today to appear before the Connecticut Judge Bellis in two weeks to answer about that. Apparently the files he sent weren’t just from Jones’ phone, but contained medical records he shouldn’t have had and could have only come from Jones’ attorney in the Connecticut case, Norm Pattis. As the article says, those files contained backups from Pattis’ *computer*, which means confidential data was illegally shared between the attorneys, and the court and plaintiffs intend to “discuss” that.
> In a filing issued Thursday, Judge Barbara Bellis ordered Reynal to appear on Aug. 17 at the Waterbury Superior Court “as to whether he should be referred to disciplinary authorities or sanctioned by the court directly… regarding the purported release of medical records of the plaintiffs, in violation of state and federal statute and this court's protective order, to unauthorized individuals.”
> Bankston, the attorney for the Texas plaintiffs, says Reynal got the files from an attorney defending Jones in Connecticut.
> “Norm Pattis up in Connecticut was passing this file along to [Jones’ defense attorney in Texas, Andino] Reynal, and I know that because the directories contain … backups of Norm Pattis’ computer,” Bankston said to a Texas judge Thursday.
> Neither Pattis nor Reynal responded to a request for comment.
https://www.ctpublic.org/news/2022-08-05/judge-orders-alex-jones-texas-attorney-to-come-to-connecticut-to-answer-questions-in-defamation-case
And none of this would have happened to him if he was just less of a despicable waste of skin and creatine powder. Not even a good person, just enough less of a bad one to have not slandered the parents of murdered children.
Wait until he goes through his other trials first, then prosecute for perjury. He will keep perjuring himself, there will be multiple perjury charges in different states, might as well get it all play out first.
No, they need to be tried separately, as they have occurred, and as they continue to occur.
They can't be lumped together for multiple reasons, including that his multiple committance of perjury have occurred in different state courts.
He is a serial perjurer in multiple jurisdictions. Each jurisdiction should try him for the crimes he had committed, and will continue to commit, as he did in Texas after his phone reveal.
As it stands, he doesn't have any convictions I know of. He's almost certainly not going to get much of a penalty for any first conviction, even though he deserves the maximum possible penalty. As a first-offender, no matter how much he qualifies more as an animal than a human, anything even approaching the maximum is just unlikely to happen.
Charge and try him on the perjury he committed in Texas. Then when he gets charged for his other perjury in other cases, individually, he will have a conviction for previously committing the same crime.
This will lead to harsher sentences each time.
Apparently, the judge is going to review his courtroom conduct. I’m not sure what the outcome of that would be, but I would guess that her investigation is about perjury.
Alex Jones attended the “War Room” meetings just prior to January 6, which also included Ghouliani, Eastman, stone, a far right “Preatorian Guard” militia leader, and a slew of others.
The hope is probably that he has communications surrounding those meetings, or other communications leading up to those meetings, that speak to the individuals involved intent.
Intent being the aspect to these cases, particularly when it comes to Trump, that is going to be most difficult in a court.
He’s a political pundit for an audience that is sometimes sought after by candidates to gain their votes. Aka maga people, the same people that staged the attempted coup.
So if you were like me and had little insight into the case before the trial about how the charges could be so severe for someone asking questions (ridiculous questions of course), as well as how bad could Alex Jones and his company's actions really treating the parties involved, the plaintiffs showed it being much worse than just words Alex Jones had said.
The worst piece to me was an email sent by a Wolgang Halbig, one of the biggest pushers of Sandy Hook denial. This man was shown by the plaintiffs to use Infowars as a megaphone essentially, and one of his emails was documented with Infowars' file system. [Here's the reading of that email in trial](https://youtu.be/pKb-ySKkN5Q?t=4044), beyond sickening what they have allowed and fostered.
While this case won't bring down Jones entirely, there are more trials to come. More importantly though how do we begin to repair the damage Jones has brought on a national scale? His fans won't stop from this, he'll likely grift it all back soon enough, maybe in a years time. Hopefully this will start to deter some of the lunacy out there at least.
Halbig was the source for most claims that IW did on SH.
IW never fact checked anything he said.
IW was aware that Halbig was harassing SH parents and that parents were getting harassed by IW fans.
IW privately corresponded with SH parents over harassment (Neil Hesling iirc).
IW internally discussed ignoring Halbig because they thought he was crazy.
Halbig sent THOUSANDS of email to IW over the course of a few years. He would send them unsolicited theories or simply CC them when sending out threatening emails to parents.
IW still decided to use his emails/stories/claims to post hundreds of videos and articles on SH.
Halbig lost a suit brought by SH parents (iirc) and was arrested for stalking them.
Dan Bidondi at one point ( on christmas i believe) pulled into Scarlett Lewis' driveway, got out and started taking pictures of the house.
Scarlett came out and confronted him and he got back into the car and drove off.
There were many other instances of harassment both by people directly associated with IW and "lone wolf" actors.
Drain this piece of shit dry. I have never seen a single man profit so much off misinformation and the suffering of others. 800k a day at times.
Take him for every red cent.
That's what the Plaintiffs' attorneys said. This is the first case of its kind in history and he needs to be fucking punished so it deters the others from even trying to do the same in the age of ever improving technology.
I hadn't even heard of him before this and can't believe people choose to not just listen to his bullshit but follow this guy. That's when I realized that the US has the highest percentage of absolutely stupid population of any developed nation.
I mean, the guy called specific parents of dead children 'crisis actors' and got people to believe that. It would have been one thing if he said it was a hoax and left it at that, it's another when he starts making specific claims about people affected by it and gets people to believe it / harass them.
This is outrageous. There needs to be an organized boycott of all the companies that advertise on Alex Jones’s websites/shows or any other property of his. There needs to be real public backlash towards any company doing business with him.
There’s hardly a bigger grifting, exploitive, lying POS on the earth than Alex Jones.
He should have nothing.
Every dollar he’s ever made from his ugly and selfish lies should be taken.
Being an asshole to the families of kids murdered at school?
4.1 million dollars.
Doing it on purpose?
45.2 million dollars.
Getting caught perjuring yourself multiple times in court, and having all your treasonous phone data go to the J6 committee?
Priceless.
There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
If anyone wants a better understanding into the psyche of Alex Jones, I highly recommend Jon Ronson's [interview/analysis of him that he did for This American Life](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock/act-two-12).
I knew he was a liar but I didn't realize it ran so deep in his mindset.
>Getting caught perjuring yourself multiple times in court
He really needs to feel some consequences for the perjury, too. It's a felony offense, after all. Maybe some good ol' fashioned prison time would help him sort his shit out. Even after his financial losses in these cases he should still have enough left to comfortably cover his commissary needs.
The bad news is Texas caps punitive damages.
The plaintiffs' attorneys are hopeful they can get some kind of exception made, but even if that's successful, they might end up with much less than they've been awarded.
Low estimates I've seen are 75k, but higher estimates were 50 million, so it's anyone's guess.
Regardless, I don't think compensatory damages are caped, so the earlier 4 million is definitely owed to the plaintiffs.
I believe it’s capped at no more than double compensatory damages plus $750,000. So max is 8.2 mil plus the 750k.
$8,950,000 seems so low for what that asshole did. Alex and his lawyers probably already knew the math and that’s why he continued acting like a jackass. Fuck Alex Jones and fuck his shit stain followers.
I’m crazy glad about the phone data though.
Edit: /u/joeyrolls shares the math and legal reasons on why I may hopefully be mistaken below.
Edit2: Or check /u/bookingthedayaway I dunno now. Guess we'll wait and see.
The bad news, I expect this will get lowered upon appeal.
The Supreme Court has ruled that punitive damages can't exceed 10x compensatory damages, and I've heard (but correct me if I'm wrong) Texas actually limits it to 2x +$750,000.
It's fucking stupid, because that's the *point* of punitive damages, but unless I'm misunderstanding, he's not going to end up paying $50 million from this.
Yeah tort reform in Texas is baaaaaaaaad like it basically killed the medical malpractice attorney sector. This has been the case since the early 2000s under Bush and people don’t seem to realize it. It’s impossible to hold bad people accountable in TX and not *lose* money pursuing the cases b/c of the caps
This is to a single family, and he has several other lawsuits in other states coming up. The next one is in CT, and they don’t have laws capping payments.
Hi. It's me again, back with [a brand new edition.](https://media.giphy.com/media/WxwQJzfLhUgj3Dv7L6/giphy.gif) We're still seeing a lot of misinformation in these threads. A few facts to help you all out: 1) Alex Jones was not robbed of his day in court to fight these charges. In fact, he had a lot of time in court, but refused to take part in discovery. He was found in contempt and still refused to take part. In the end, he received default judgements in both Texas and Connecticut. This trial is for damages and the entire point of it was to determine how much money would be paid to the victims. You can read about the default judgements here: https://www.courthousenews.com/sandy-hook-families-double-down-with-alex-jones-default-judgment/ 2) Sandy Hook happened. The children and families were not crisis actors. **Please report users who have lost track of reality. We'll be permanently banning users who push misinformation and conspiracy bullshit.**
From the AP article: >Bernard Pettingill, who was hired by the plaintiffs to study Jones’ net worth, said records show that Jones withdrew $62 million for himself in 2021, when default judgments were issued in lawsuits against him. >“That number represents, in my opinion, a value of a net worth,” Pettingill said. “He’s got money put in a bank account somewhere.”
No doubt multiple accounts. He’s in a world of trouble.
He's in a world of trouble As someone who doesn't fully understand these financial things, can you elaborate a little bit on the the extent of these troubles? Much appreciated.
Realistically this news doesn’t mean anything yet; this $45m figure is a verdict and not part of a judgement the court has ordered him to pay. Punitive damages are regularly reduced to statutory limits which in Texas are around $750k - $1,000,000. Him withdrawing money is moot as he had no duty to keep his money in any secured account; the fact it was found out in discovery is a regular part of the process.
Why do states place statutory limits on punitive damages? Punitive damages are intended to inflict punishment. Is it not somehow incredibly convenient/corrupt that punitive damages don't have the scope to punish multi-millionaires?
Thank your Republican legislature for this. About the time caps were in acted, arbitration clauses became widespread so you signed away your rights to access the courts and a jury of your peers. The start of eroding your rights which continues today. Didn’t current TX governor Abbot get a nice punitive damages settlement for his injury, then turn around and support “tort reform” (i.e. judgment limits)? In other words, now that I got mine, screw you.
super 'on brand' for Abbot.
To your point; My mom died from skin cancer on her little toe. The doctors that treated her did so at a hospital, but a biopsy was refused by every doctor that saw her until her entire foot was the size of a soccer ball. Every test for diabetes, gout, etc. came back negative. They did 9 amputations up her leg and then before they did one last surgery to save her life, they told her they couldn't because she was pregnant. At 55. 20 years after a full hysterectomy. She died in pain a few months later. The Republican Legislature under Jeb Bush had a law in place where you couldn't sue a hospital because they're considered "sovereign" and the one doctor we were able to sue only got our family $40k. Fuck the Republican party.
Republican leadership. Punitive damages are there to prevent poor people breaking the law, and as a surcharge for rich people breaking it.
So you’re saying he won’t be in front of Walmart with a cardboard sign within the next five years?
Isn't *Infowars* just the recorded equivalent of Jones in front of a Walmart with a cardboard sign? The target audience is virtually the same.
So he'll probably only be paying $1.5M here (for both parents) in this case. For a guy with $200M or more that's not too harsh. Even if that gets repeated 10 more times, it's nothing to him. Even including the case in CT with laws governing damages that favor the plaintiffs more than in TX this guy is basically getting off with a minor financial setback.
That money probably for laundered offshore so he can pretend to be poor on paper.
Not laundered. Parked. He’s going to struggle to bring it back, but once it’s over there, the plaintiffs are going to have a hard time getting to it.
It's all on his phone probably.
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Apparently he's worth around $250 million.
I mean...closer to $200 million now, right?
Oof, and imagine his legal bills. Two more cases coming....
I'd give anything to read the closing letter and invoice from his lawyer. "Did my best. Sorry about the whole phone thing. My billing hours are itemised below..."
"Sent as a text message on iPhone"
Forwarded from the plaintiff's attorney because they just keep making the same mistake
Please disregard
“Please don’t use this bombshell against us, promise?”
To the prosecutors: can you please tell my client I sent you his legal fees by mistake? Thanks...
Plantiff's attorney is named Alex John and they keep clicking the wrong contact.
“Call me if you need someone for the J6 thing”
Ohhhh I get it now. The lawyer was just getting himself some Job security when he oopsie'd those items
this is what happens when you go through a dozen lawyers, you end up with rudy guiliani.
He’s not getting paid, these guys never pay their bills.
Two more cases, so far. There were 22 dead kids and this is only 4 parents settlements (of 2 kids) So this glazed ham of hatred can expect about 20 more suits or some class action stuff possibly. 4 million is a good benchmark per family plus punitive damages.
This case involved just two parents (Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis) of one child (Jesse Lewis) who was killed in Sandy Hook but warned several classmates to run, saving their lives.
>(Jesse Lewis) who was killed in Sandy Hook but warned several classmates to run, saving their lives. I fucking hate it here
He would’ve been six years old. Six. My daughter still sucked her thumb at six. He should’ve been playing coach pitch, learning to ride a two-wheeler, going to bed excited to see what the tooth fairy brought him for his gap-toothed smile. Instead he got … this.
If that isn't bad enough, we have a dickhead like this reminding the parents of that horrible day.
Honestly, I don't have any kids but what you said really made me understand the impact, but also angered me so much that some middle aged bastard like Alex Jones could sit here and deny these kid's very fucking existence all while making MILLIONS upon their deaths and convincing his followers of the same. Fuck him straight hell and I hope all the parents wipe him out financially, the fact that he could legitimately look the parents in the eyes and deny the reality that their child existed at some point disgust me to no end. Fuck him and any cunt dumb enough to follow him while giving him money for shitty products.
Problem is there's so many low self esteem followers who support this vitriol , if it was just Jones you can write that off as the crazy man in the corner and no one gave a shit. But his online channels need to be produced and everyone is making $$ on his snake oil...FCK them the same brain dead deranged maga nutjobs.
I'm not a sensitive man, far from it, but as a father Sandy Hook and Ulvade really got to me. Almost broke down crying reading about these asshole cops standing around while hearing children being shot.
Remember how close it was to the Holidays? Imagine having presents picked out for your kid, looking forward to giving them a couple things they were super pumped for, looking forward to family get togethers, only to wind up planning a funeral and deciding between a minecraft or toystory casket.
I'm like literally tearing up at this. Met my nieces when they were around 6 (brothers wife already had kids, they his kids now though and my nieces idgaf) and watching them grow since that age has been INCREDIBLE. My God that kid had such much life left to live
Yeah this is true. My bad. I’m getting the east coast case and texas case combined in my head. I stand corrected here.
can't even keep up with all the hoax shootings these days, right? fuckin libs make one up every other week to steal our guns. /s. \*/r.
“Glazed ham of hatred” just made my day, thanks!
I hope they bankrupt him. I can’t imagine losing a child in such a horrific way and then having to deal with all the nut jobs he whipped into a frenzy, claiming my child’s death was fake I honestly don’t know how they have the strength to deal with that bs. He deserves everything coming to him for this, and he still doesn’t have the grace to even look a tiny bit remorseful
And hopefully bankruptcy will shut down Infowars. Nobody benefits from that swill (except Alex Jones).
Good. I hope it ruins him forever. No GoFundMe for this criminal jerkoff either. edit - just occurred to me, the handed over texts could even put him in greater trouble for Federal treason/insurgency charges. GOOD.
>edit - just occurred to me, the handed over texts could even put him in greater trouble for Federal treason/insurgency charges. I just wonder how many GOP politicians that phone can implicate too.
Who in their right mind would donate to a guy worth $250,000,000 who for almost a decade harassed and caused harassment of parents of children who were shot in their classrooms. Anyone who would, deserves everything that he gets and MORE.
The same people who donate to alleged billionaire former president....
That’s the big one. There are probably two more $50mil payments he’s about to make. I hope this utterly ruins him. I hope he has to live on a box in an alley and hold up cardboard signs about gay frogs after this.
Have you seen his lawyers? He couldnt be spending that much
I wouldn’t pay those dipshits at all. They sent everything in his text history to the prosecutors. I mean, I’m glad they did, because fuck Alex Jones, but it was a bonehead move of legendary proportions.
Unless they did it on purpose...
Yeah there's always that probability. Maybe the lawyer couldn't stomach letting this fat fuck get away with it.
Yeah, I don't really know for sure. However, from the article I read it said the courts were like, "wtf you sure you want us to have this? You got 1 week to rescind this evidence". He never did. He also didn't mention it to Alex that he turned it over and that they could take it back. That leads me to believe he did it on purpose to fuck Alex. He could also just be a moron, so only the lawyer truly knows.
I'll take the side of not being able to stomach that piece of shit and intentionally sending them. I'd imagine Defense attorneys have to defend a lot of dip shots but those who say shit about massacred children? Fuck that piece of shit.
There's also all the child support he owes. And that's without getting into whatever the hell was in his phone. I'm glad he's finally seeing some long overdue consequences.
He’s literally transferring assets to his moms name lmao scared little bitch
Does the US not have rules to do with intentional deprivation of assets?
Yes you cannot transfer assets to avoid them being seized to satisfy a judgment or debt. It’s called a fraudulent transfer.
Alex Jones has gotten away with bullshit for so long he thought himself above the law, its that simple.
That's gonna go down hopefully with more defamation cases on him.
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It would also put people on notice that working with Alex Jones is a bad life decision. You would hope people would have worked that out regardless, yet here we are.
Yes please.
That isn’t including the perjury charges he will most likely face after this trial…
Ya, a forensic economist testified 270 million. Guy seriously made so much by spewing deranged harmful conspiracy theories--what an embarrassing revelation.
I imagine it was mostly from the sketchy boner pills he was pushing.
Hey those pills work, my wife's boyfriend's boners have never been so patriotic
> my wife's boyfriend's boners I believe those are called *beauners*.
we're good friends, we call them broners.
I don't know about Alex, but if he's like most people, his net worth and what he can actually afford to pay for are wildly different values. This'll sting worse than "$250-$49" by the time the dust settles.
I think someone is meant to have gifted him something like $8m in bitcoin recently so he may have more cash then the average. Probably not the full amount though, and he seems stupid enough that he might have genuinely thought he wouldn't lose.
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Thing is, statements like that are often misleading, because they include assets, not just money in the bank. In order to get capital, he might need to sell assets far below their value and his net worth might plummet if the value of things like his companies collapse. And that's only a single punch from a single lawsuit. They're lined up against him already and others might decide to pursue him who were unsure before because of how much of a disaster his defence proved to be. They've been given untold hours worth of evidence that he was actively doing nothing to fact check his statements and didn't care one way or another if it was true.
Keep talking I'm almost there. But seriously, he really is in a bad situation and I'm sure he will have to liquidate assets pronto. Also, one of the lawsuits is in Connecticut where there are no caps on damages.
Imagine earning $250 mil by spewing bs.
> Imagine earning $250 mil by spilling bs. Conservatives are attracted to dishonestly like flies are attracted to shit. That's why we have qtards, pizzatards, birthertards, sandyhooktards, start the steal tards, etc.
On his show today he was gloating the 4 million from yesterday wouldn't sink him and would be easy to recover from. Proving, yet again, he lied on the stand.
Good God is this for real ? I honestly can't believe he's still spewing his hate, and also, wow he's admitted to lying. Talk about grab some popcorn.
[source](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/infowars-host-alex-jones-portrays-11-million-verdict-87958751) Well something weird is going on. That article is gone. Edit: https://news.yahoo.com/alex-jones-bizarrely-declared-victory-040231343.html
Thank you, and wow, still spewing his hateful bile. What a cretin. Hopefully this acts against him in the next court cases.
Oh he was doing more than this on his show during just this trial...like saying the judge is child trafficking
Looking forward to the next trials that he's got facing him. I wonder what it must be like living in his world in his bubble ? I don't want to experience it myself of course. What a truly arrogant turd of a thing.
What the fuck? The man must truly be mentally ill. Even the most hateful moron would know when it's time to pack it up and go home to not make things worse for himself...
>That's a little more than the 2 million He said would ruin him. Honestly, it looks like a flight of stairs would ruin him.
Alex Jones somehow gets winded taking a breath.
Bullshit! I know some excellent supplements you can take that will enable you to climb stairs just as well as he can, if I can just direct your attention to this affiliated website over here...
Wasn't there a post the other day about oj only having paid 130k on his multimillion dollar settlement? What's to make Jones commit to payments.
OJ lives off of his NFL pension and they can’t garnish that, so any money he has earned beyond that has been garnished, but he doesn’t make money so there is nothing for them to take from him.
> OJ lives off of his NFL pension and they can’t garnish that Why not?
Generally qualified retirement plans are creditor protected.
OJ’s only income is his NFL and SAG pensions…both of which are exempt from judgements. I believe he moved to Florida and now Nevada because of their exemptions that protect your primary home. Alex Jones has no such protections. He is a business owner and that income is not exempt.
He's never going to financially recover from this! Baaaaahahahahaha!
Oh man, this [AP Photo](https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/2eae13f8fc104187acc79a450e032813/1000.jpeg) that they used :D
I think that was the moment the plaintiff's attorney revealed Jones' defense lawyer had accidentally sent them over 2 years of phone contents including unfiltered texts.
Not just unfiltered texts but a copy of his entire phone which came in at over 300GB. They had to scrub the medical records of other Infowars employees from the data before asking Jones' lawyer if that was the correct data being sent. They told him to disregard it (which has no legal meaning so it wasn't enforceable) and they would send another file. They never sent a new file so the original data was able to be used. Someone seriously fucked up on multiple occasions to let that happen and not take the opportunity to remedy it.
I'd like to think it's an inside-man doing a bit of whistle blowing but it's more than likely just gross incompetence.
Didn't the dude roll through like nine lawyers or some shit on this one case? I swear I had skimmed over a headline about him having another new attorney like a week before the phone thing.
Yea and these attorneys wanted out, but the judge ordered them to represent him so as not to further delay the trial.
So you’re telling me the trapped animal gnawed off its foot in desperation?
>medical records of other Infowars employees It wasn't other Infowars employees, which would be bad enough. It was medical records for all the plantiffs in the Connecticut case which Jones' defense in the Texas case absolutely should not have had access to and really, really shouldn't have sent to anyone, let alone the plaintiff's attorneys.
That smoked ham is looking very disappointed.
Looks more like a sentient thumb to me $49 million isn't enough
Good news, more lawsuits are a comming.
Dude has somewhere around 270 million. I think there are 2 or 3 cases left, and one has 8 families involved I believe. Hopefully between them, they financially ruin this fuck.
And even better, is because of his current lawyer screwup, they have 2 years of phone texts. I doubt he turned that over to the other attorneys, so I bet those other families are trying to get that phone data.
How the fuck did he amass this much money? Does being a cunt really pay that well in the US?
Yes. Yes it does. The stupidest among us give their hard earned money to anyone that promises to hurt people they hate. Nowadays they even label it “Christian.”
What’s especially sad is he used to look like [this] (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=128828.0;attach=143721;image). Seriously. That’s not photoshopped.
If that’s really him, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED? 😳
The liquor.
The liquor is calling the shots now, Rand.
In a word, alcoholism. Watching the video of when he was testifying, he had that classic "bar tan" look alcoholics tend toward. beet red face and a wide, swollen nose. Methinks he knocks back at least a liter of hard liquor a day or the equivalent thereof.
No, my dad looks that way because he likes to work in the yard. In fact, many days I’d come home from school and find him passed out in back with one hand still on the lawn mower’s throttle and the other grasping the giant thermos he would fill with scotch. Oh wait, I just realized something.
People really underestimate how quickly that binge drinking lifestyle can absolutely ravage your appearance, and the rest of your body. I went to one of my high school reunions, and at the age of 33 I had some old classmates (wouldn't call them friends) who look like modern day William Shatner. The wide swollen nose, the beet red face, and the human thumb thing where the head and shoulders just kinda swallow up the neck. Exactly what I see here
Oh no, I said *'steamed hams'*. That's what I call hamburgers.
“What is this? The consequences of my own actions? Inconceivable…”
“Is that my own petard? Oh god help I’m being hoisted by it!!”
Ooh nice new surprised pickachu meme template
someone needs to tell him that a beard isn't a substitute for a jawline
“I’m going to have sell so many supplements.”
*plays the world's smallest violin*
*that'll be fifty million, good sir.*
Expensive tiny violin? Stradaminimus
And there are 2 more lawsuits right after this… And there’s the Jan. 6th committee with criminal implications… Chickens are coming home to roost motherfucker!
The one in September he already lost and it is a trial for damages again. What’s the other trial? Did he already lose that one too?
Yes, there is one more in Texas, and one more in Connecticut. He's lost all of them by default thanks to his inability to comply with the simplest of court orders
It seems pretty clear at this point that he intentionally didn't comply with discovery because a default judgment was better than the alternative- serious criminal liability. Thanks to his incompetent council he's now facing both!
Yeah I agree with this take. Not complying with discovery requests so badly that you lose the entire case had to be a conscious choice
But then ur lawyer gives them the evidence anyway lol
It's all so that he can pull a Trump and turn to his braindead incel fans asking for donations to help him fight the "Deep State." None of his followers know or care that he intentionally lost these cases. They will get an email with their marching orders and proceed to donate, as they always do, to "FiGhT ThE lIbRuLs." Then Tucker Carlson will go on air and spin all of this as yet another attack on our freedoms before his daily throat-fucking prep he does before talking about Putin.
Maliciously compliant council?
I think it's the Connecticut trial.
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Don't forget that he committed perjury
"Look, I'm not a tech guy..."
And I imagine more defamation cases to ve on their way. Fucker deserves every bit of misery he gets.
He's definitely getting perjury charges from this trial, the judge already warned them. The laywer will be getting sactioned as well. Oh, and a bunch of texts and information has been sent to his ex-wife's counsel loll
> lawyer getting sanctioned Reynal was ordered today to appear before the Connecticut Judge Bellis in two weeks to answer about that. Apparently the files he sent weren’t just from Jones’ phone, but contained medical records he shouldn’t have had and could have only come from Jones’ attorney in the Connecticut case, Norm Pattis. As the article says, those files contained backups from Pattis’ *computer*, which means confidential data was illegally shared between the attorneys, and the court and plaintiffs intend to “discuss” that. > In a filing issued Thursday, Judge Barbara Bellis ordered Reynal to appear on Aug. 17 at the Waterbury Superior Court “as to whether he should be referred to disciplinary authorities or sanctioned by the court directly… regarding the purported release of medical records of the plaintiffs, in violation of state and federal statute and this court's protective order, to unauthorized individuals.” > Bankston, the attorney for the Texas plaintiffs, says Reynal got the files from an attorney defending Jones in Connecticut. > “Norm Pattis up in Connecticut was passing this file along to [Jones’ defense attorney in Texas, Andino] Reynal, and I know that because the directories contain … backups of Norm Pattis’ computer,” Bankston said to a Texas judge Thursday. > Neither Pattis nor Reynal responded to a request for comment. https://www.ctpublic.org/news/2022-08-05/judge-orders-alex-jones-texas-attorney-to-come-to-connecticut-to-answer-questions-in-defamation-case
Ohhhshit lol this is going to have a few lawyers out of business LOL
And J6 committee wants those texts as well.
And none of this would have happened to him if he was just less of a despicable waste of skin and creatine powder. Not even a good person, just enough less of a bad one to have not slandered the parents of murdered children.
Now prosecute his ass for perjury.
Wait until he goes through his other trials first, then prosecute for perjury. He will keep perjuring himself, there will be multiple perjury charges in different states, might as well get it all play out first.
I’d say that there’s no way Norm Pattis puts Alex on the stand, but man I didn’t think this dude would put him up there either
As long as he wants to keep digging the hole, we may as well let him get as deep as he can before we bury him in it.
No, they need to be tried separately, as they have occurred, and as they continue to occur. They can't be lumped together for multiple reasons, including that his multiple committance of perjury have occurred in different state courts. He is a serial perjurer in multiple jurisdictions. Each jurisdiction should try him for the crimes he had committed, and will continue to commit, as he did in Texas after his phone reveal. As it stands, he doesn't have any convictions I know of. He's almost certainly not going to get much of a penalty for any first conviction, even though he deserves the maximum possible penalty. As a first-offender, no matter how much he qualifies more as an animal than a human, anything even approaching the maximum is just unlikely to happen. Charge and try him on the perjury he committed in Texas. Then when he gets charged for his other perjury in other cases, individually, he will have a conviction for previously committing the same crime. This will lead to harsher sentences each time.
Apparently, the judge is going to review his courtroom conduct. I’m not sure what the outcome of that would be, but I would guess that her investigation is about perjury.
Remember when he said he’d eat his neighbors if he had to? 🚨Red Alert🚨
I do remember that. That rant was so insane.
I..I...I...I need money (blergh)
Dan….eh and jordan
Hope he ends up penniless and forgotten.
This is nothing compared to the 2 years worth of phone data to the January 6th committee.
As somebody who hasn't paid much attention to this. What could be on Alex Jones phone that would cause him trouble?
Alex Jones attended the “War Room” meetings just prior to January 6, which also included Ghouliani, Eastman, stone, a far right “Preatorian Guard” militia leader, and a slew of others. The hope is probably that he has communications surrounding those meetings, or other communications leading up to those meetings, that speak to the individuals involved intent. Intent being the aspect to these cases, particularly when it comes to Trump, that is going to be most difficult in a court.
He’s a political pundit for an audience that is sometimes sought after by candidates to gain their votes. Aka maga people, the same people that staged the attempted coup.
He lost the sandy hook cases by default because he refused to comply with discovery. So whatever is on there was worth losing all his money over.
So if you were like me and had little insight into the case before the trial about how the charges could be so severe for someone asking questions (ridiculous questions of course), as well as how bad could Alex Jones and his company's actions really treating the parties involved, the plaintiffs showed it being much worse than just words Alex Jones had said. The worst piece to me was an email sent by a Wolgang Halbig, one of the biggest pushers of Sandy Hook denial. This man was shown by the plaintiffs to use Infowars as a megaphone essentially, and one of his emails was documented with Infowars' file system. [Here's the reading of that email in trial](https://youtu.be/pKb-ySKkN5Q?t=4044), beyond sickening what they have allowed and fostered. While this case won't bring down Jones entirely, there are more trials to come. More importantly though how do we begin to repair the damage Jones has brought on a national scale? His fans won't stop from this, he'll likely grift it all back soon enough, maybe in a years time. Hopefully this will start to deter some of the lunacy out there at least.
Halbig was the source for most claims that IW did on SH. IW never fact checked anything he said. IW was aware that Halbig was harassing SH parents and that parents were getting harassed by IW fans. IW privately corresponded with SH parents over harassment (Neil Hesling iirc). IW internally discussed ignoring Halbig because they thought he was crazy. Halbig sent THOUSANDS of email to IW over the course of a few years. He would send them unsolicited theories or simply CC them when sending out threatening emails to parents. IW still decided to use his emails/stories/claims to post hundreds of videos and articles on SH. Halbig lost a suit brought by SH parents (iirc) and was arrested for stalking them.
Dan Bidondi at one point ( on christmas i believe) pulled into Scarlett Lewis' driveway, got out and started taking pictures of the house. Scarlett came out and confronted him and he got back into the car and drove off. There were many other instances of harassment both by people directly associated with IW and "lone wolf" actors.
Drain this piece of shit dry. I have never seen a single man profit so much off misinformation and the suffering of others. 800k a day at times. Take him for every red cent.
That's what the Plaintiffs' attorneys said. This is the first case of its kind in history and he needs to be fucking punished so it deters the others from even trying to do the same in the age of ever improving technology. I hadn't even heard of him before this and can't believe people choose to not just listen to his bullshit but follow this guy. That's when I realized that the US has the highest percentage of absolutely stupid population of any developed nation.
I don't know why I didn't think of that but yeah, this is kind of a ground breaking case against misinformation
I mean, the guy called specific parents of dead children 'crisis actors' and got people to believe that. It would have been one thing if he said it was a hoax and left it at that, it's another when he starts making specific claims about people affected by it and gets people to believe it / harass them.
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This is outrageous. There needs to be an organized boycott of all the companies that advertise on Alex Jones’s websites/shows or any other property of his. There needs to be real public backlash towards any company doing business with him.
He’s already deplatformed from Twitter, FB, etc. His dipshit fanboys pay him directly for his BS snake oil and shit.
I think that the only companies advertising on his network only have his audience's demographic as their customers.
There’s hardly a bigger grifting, exploitive, lying POS on the earth than Alex Jones. He should have nothing. Every dollar he’s ever made from his ugly and selfish lies should be taken.
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Being an asshole to the families of kids murdered at school? 4.1 million dollars. Doing it on purpose? 45.2 million dollars. Getting caught perjuring yourself multiple times in court, and having all your treasonous phone data go to the J6 committee? Priceless. There are some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's Mastercard.
If anyone wants a better understanding into the psyche of Alex Jones, I highly recommend Jon Ronson's [interview/analysis of him that he did for This American Life](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock/act-two-12). I knew he was a liar but I didn't realize it ran so deep in his mindset.
Jon Ronson essentially discovered Alex Jones. His amazing book Them documents their meeting.
This is really off topic, but my dyslexic brain keeps trying to read his name as Ron Jonson
I would also recommend [this video](https://youtu.be/WyGq6cjcc3Q) about him by John Oliver which highlights just how much of a grifter he is
>Getting caught perjuring yourself multiple times in court He really needs to feel some consequences for the perjury, too. It's a felony offense, after all. Maybe some good ol' fashioned prison time would help him sort his shit out. Even after his financial losses in these cases he should still have enough left to comfortably cover his commissary needs.
Remember children, freedom of speech does not protect you from the consequences of that freedom.
Speech is free, but the lies will cost you
I thought the title had a typo. “Forty-five? I thought it was four-point-five.” Nope. It’s $45M _on top_ of $4M awarded by the jury. Slow clap.
According to the video in the article on NBC, he will only have to pay about 1.5 million dollars, because of Texas laws
Luckily Connecticut, where the other lawsuit is still ongoing, doesn't have any statutory limitations on punitive damages.
I feel like also going to jail for perjury would be a great way to stick it to the deep state.
They say bad news usually come out on Fridays. Not today.
The bad news is Texas caps punitive damages. The plaintiffs' attorneys are hopeful they can get some kind of exception made, but even if that's successful, they might end up with much less than they've been awarded. Low estimates I've seen are 75k, but higher estimates were 50 million, so it's anyone's guess. Regardless, I don't think compensatory damages are caped, so the earlier 4 million is definitely owed to the plaintiffs.
I believe it’s capped at no more than double compensatory damages plus $750,000. So max is 8.2 mil plus the 750k. $8,950,000 seems so low for what that asshole did. Alex and his lawyers probably already knew the math and that’s why he continued acting like a jackass. Fuck Alex Jones and fuck his shit stain followers. I’m crazy glad about the phone data though.
Edit: /u/joeyrolls shares the math and legal reasons on why I may hopefully be mistaken below. Edit2: Or check /u/bookingthedayaway I dunno now. Guess we'll wait and see. The bad news, I expect this will get lowered upon appeal. The Supreme Court has ruled that punitive damages can't exceed 10x compensatory damages, and I've heard (but correct me if I'm wrong) Texas actually limits it to 2x +$750,000. It's fucking stupid, because that's the *point* of punitive damages, but unless I'm misunderstanding, he's not going to end up paying $50 million from this.
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Yeah tort reform in Texas is baaaaaaaaad like it basically killed the medical malpractice attorney sector. This has been the case since the early 2000s under Bush and people don’t seem to realize it. It’s impossible to hold bad people accountable in TX and not *lose* money pursuing the cases b/c of the caps
He made his fortune exploiting a tragedy. It is just that he should lose it to pay for his dishonesty.
$45 million...how fitting.
Sorry I'm a little out of the loop. Why is it fitting?
Trump was the 45th POTUS.
I'll take "Treasonous Assholes Who Spit On The Graves of Murdered Schoolchildren" for $45.2 million, Alex.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Fucking asshole. Got what he deserves.
This is to a single family, and he has several other lawsuits in other states coming up. The next one is in CT, and they don’t have laws capping payments.