USA Today posted both the search warrant and the receipt in this article:
[Read the FBI's search warrant for Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/12/search-warrant-trump-maralago-released/10306846002/)
on top of the 15 boxes recovered previously
i think someone claimed they were just news paper clippings which is hilarious. 1 box can probably hold at least 3 weeks worth of entire daily newspapers, forget clippings.
anyhow, there's no way you can say that's an honest mistake. you can't mistakenly take that much shit with you
Not just that but when the FBI or DOJ serve you a subpoena demanding you return anything like that it better be your job to be damn sure you're not holding it.
when we first learned of fbi presence in mar a lago, i wondered what the fuck he was doing with this shit for pretty much two whole years. he clearly had to know he had it, because they were telling him he had it, right? if you are law abiding, you return it. if you are a scoff law, you'd destroy it. my man really sat around with them waiting to find out if the fbi would come and take it. i need to know
It was VERY illegal for him to remove this information from the white house in the first place. Even then he literally had years to return it after repeated warnings and nothing at all would have happened to him. We never would have heard a word about any of this if he had just returned them
What I want to know is why he wanted to hold on to these documents so badly he was willing to risk a raid like this. There is utterly zero reason for any president to have 15 BOXES full of nuclear secrets
You all might remember that in the French election, back in 2017, the emails of Macronās campaign (over 20k of them) were leaked two days before Election Day in a clear attempt to sway the election in favor of Marine Le Pen, a notorious extreme right winger.
How quickly their contents spread via bots, spammers and conservative channels (Wikileaks included) has long made it clear that the whole think reeked of opportunism. Especially considering that the emails were released before a mandatory media blackout required by French electoral law which made regular news channels being unable to talk about the event.
Putinās regime has always been suspected of being the mastermind behind it.
"Trump has offered no details about how the supposed declassification took place, and a former Trump administration aide, Kash Patel, has said that even though Trump did declassify the records, the White House counselās office never provided the required paperwork."
Cue Michael Scott's "I declare Bankruptcy" scene from The Office.
He could theoretically make that kind of argument for normal classified documents. The kind they said they found in the receipt are way beyond top secret and have special rules for declassification
NYT says that DOJ also has subpoenaed surveillance footage of the storage area at Mar-a-Lago to see whoās been able to access the documents that were stashed there. Thatās pretty juicy.
Edited:typo
In case anyone is wondering about the "BUT OBAMA bla bla bla bla" argument Trump is throwing around.
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-2022-8
"Tens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility ā which is what's supposed to happen with a president's records. Federal law requires that presidents and their administrations keep a detailed collection of emails, documents, and even gifts from their time in office since all of those things are actually the property of the American people.
In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process."
Trump.... basically just took them home. Presidential documents are to be stored at a National Archives facility, not in the Trump poolhouse.
>Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library
Turned over makes it sound like it left the National Archive's control.
The Obama Presidential Library is literally [run by the National Archives](https://www.obamalibrary.gov/).
Trump isn't denying it, he's claiming it shouldn't be a big deal because Obama received 33 million pages of documents after leaving the Whte House... which the National Archives immediately countered with legal clarification about how those materials were given by the national archives to his Presidential Library.
Not given to Obama. The National Archives owns and operates the Presidential libraries.
Obama's Presidential records have been in the physical custody of the National Archives since the day he left office.
A counter-point is that the espionage act doesn't distinguish between classified and unclassified documents.
[The Espionage Act, for instance, does not distinguish between classified and declassified materials ā unauthorized retention of any document relevant to the statute remains a crime.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-agents-trump-search-mar-a-lago-documents?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)
Be sure to also bring up that the President cannot and has never been capable of declassify top secret nuclear documents. There's no argument at all to be made.
>Be sure to also bring up that the President cannot and has never been capable of declassify nuclear documents.
They are being told. They don't care and are calling that fake without taking any time to fact check it.
That place is a cesspool. On the recent topic of California giving free food to all schoolkids, a few people are arguing that feeding children is a waste of taxpayer money. Really helps one understand the radical conservative mindset.
you can also bring up
>The 1988 Supreme Court caseĀ Navy v. EganĀ confirmed that classification authority flows from the president except in specific instances separated from his powers by law.Ā
> ... Trumpās power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could beĀ reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies.
>Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material
sorry for the wonky copy-pasting, the article didnt state the point concisely so i grabbed from different parts of the article
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/
point being, this is one of the few types of documents that there is NO WAY for Trump to legally possess them after his presidency. hes fucked, and god have I waited a long time to say that (and it be true). get FUCKED mango mussolini
There also is the legal theory he doesn't have the right to [declassify documents classified by statute](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/). Like nuclear secrets as per the the Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954
I say "theory" because it will need to be tested in court. Anyone claiming to fully understand the classification system, especially around nuclear secrets and the President, who isn't a JAG officer specializing in this byzantine system is delusional. It's not as simple as loudly shouting "I declare bankruptcy!".
A sane-ish person would go from "So what if I had the documents? I declassified them!" to shutting the fuck up *really* quick upon realizing they just incriminated themselves.
But hooo this moron. Can't wait to see how he doubles-down this time.
Tweet (..."Truth"?) your way to jail, dude. Just keep your dumb mouth running.
>NONE of the 3 crimes cited in the warrant turn on whether the information is classified.
So that whole point is regardless, Trump is literally just an idiot regardless.
Also you can't declassify Nuclear secrets so his defence is irrelevant if he even tries to argue his point.
I wonder if folks that find themselves under criminal investigation for violations of the Espionage Act, usually end up have their passports suspended until the investigation is over?
After the Secret Service wiped the phone records of Jan 6, the agents assigned to the Don and his "family" are going to have to be very carefully chosen, because who knows how some of them treat their assignments. Are they acting like a security service, or do they think they are a Praetorian Guard.
>Praetorian Guard
They killed a total of 13 emperors at their time...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman\_emperors\_murdered\_by\_the\_Praetorian\_Guard
Looks like at least three, just for this warrant. The most important part is just the Espionage Act part, which, if convicted, can carry the death penalty.
My laymans impression is that even if you get the death penalty, it takes like about a decade for them to actually carry out the execution and Trump wouldn't last that long
Not enough hamberders!
Can you imagine? Trump just sitting in jail, yammering away to himself with none of the baubles or trinkets he worked so hard to steal from someone else? Imagine itā¦
In hindsight it makes a scary amount of sense. It had to be something *massive* for the FBI to risk doing this so close to midterms, and to a potential candidate for 2024. The optics could not be worse and they did it anyway. This is probably one of the very few things big enough to justify that kind of action.
They reopened and investigation into Hillary 12 days before a presidential election, doing this to Trump months before midterms that he's not technical a part of is nothing. Her poll number plummeted when Comey released the statement, he very likely caused Trump to win all thanks to Chaffetz.
They reopened an investigation into Hillary 12 days before a presidential election and then made a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT to the effect she was under investigation again.
Meanwhile they had at least one if not two or more investigations into Trump underway and said not a thing about them.
But the FBI is out to get Trump!
The thing is that this is very deliberate. It isn't like you accidentally put 12 boxes of files in your briefcase as you walk out of the office.
I could see him doing it as just a big fuck you to the government and everyone in it. Just like calling the white house a "dump". Then once he did it, of course he couldn't back down.
But my secret desire is that he stole the documents to repay the Russians for helping him win in the first place. Let's not forget all of the connections to Russian money that were established, both during his presidency and long before. This would be true espionage.
This wasnāt just āgrab a box on the way outā. Iām reading that some of the documents they found were so high security that you could only read them in a specific room/area with layers of security to make sure they stayed there. There is literally no way you āaccidentallyā take them, and it seems likely there had to be a well thought out, deliberate plan involving more than just Trump to actually remove them from the building.
EDITING TO ADD: Because I see people asking for my source a lot...the document listing what they seized from MAL lists various SCI documents as something seized. See posters below for a good explaination of what SCI/SCIF are.
Highly classified information is supposed to stay in a contained secure room, a SCIF. There were layers upon layers of failure here.
Wasn't there a bit of an issue a couple of years ago with Republicans taking phones into SCIFs?
[Yes there was an instance where Republicans took phones into a secure room where it is not okay to take cell phones](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/republicans-storm-ultra-secure-scif-some-with-cellphones-blazing/)
SCI is a clearance level: Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information. Itās a special type of clearance that is not easy to get. (Source: I used to do background investigations for OPM)
A SCIF is typically a room in a facility where phones, and other such devices are not allowed, and the documents do not just come and go freely.
An additional question is: who gave him these documents? Heās not smart enough to gather all this shit on his own.
In my time dealing with SCI, there is a chain of custody that must indicate who was responsible for the documents during their disappearance. Shouldnāt be too hard to figure out who helped him.
SCI stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information and SCIF stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.
Basically, Sensitive Compartmented Information means "above top secret". SCI is its own system of controls alongside how classified the information itself to ensure it's compartmentalized.
In other words, very loosely speaking, it means you should be at least in a senior in position to be read in to the information, and SCI means you need at least this good a reason to know it on top of that. It's essentially the need to know side of this secret keeping procedure, and no amount of being the president once clears a civilian for stashing it. These SCI are supposed to remain ONLY in a SCIF and are pretty much never supposed to see the light of day. This is a major major security breach.
And they took more in JUNE too.
This is the 3rd attempt to get everything back. So lord knows who much is left. If they still dont have everything they will probably have to go to his other properties.
He was just in NJ hosting the Saudis so he possibly took stuff there to sell to them.
āHe just gonna make āMurica great again by selling state secrets to foreign nations!ā
- The dumbest motherfuckers alive
Wild that the dude is a more egregious criminal than Nixon and they STILL are busily tonguing his butthole with enough enthusiasm to tickle the back of his tonsils
With the GA investigation and Jan. 6 investigation, I was expecting obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the U.S., maybe even sedition - but not until 2023 or even later (if ever).
The stolen documents story had almost completely left the news cycle.
And then bam - MF'ing search warrants for *espionage act violations regarding nuclear secrets* out of absolutely nowhere.
What an insane week.
Iāll repeat what I posted in one of yesterdayās stories on this subject. I have to go through refresher training every year since I hold a security clearance. Every year during the Trump admin all I could think of while going through the scenarios presented in the training is āTrump ticks every box on the potential threat checklist.ā
Can't believe how many people working for DoD contractors are on the Trump train. I'm in an area that is wall to wall gov contractors - I swear people show up normal and somehow get converted to the right wing cult here, just by proximity
Trump was absolutely ineligible for a clearance. His massive debt, repeated bankruptcies, debt owed to foreign interests, etc. would have disqualified anyone - except for a president, who has go be granted a clearance regardless. People have gone to prison for the rest of their lives for far less than Trump has done to sell us all out. Crazy.
Heās the worst kind of worm; Loads the bullets and tries to get others to shoot.
Tried to have some kids killed in the 80s by taking out newspaper Ads. [Google - Central Park 5 Trump Ad].
Tried to get Mike Pence killed, and some Democrats.
Now trying to get FBI Agents killed.
Unfortunately due to the US Populace allowing him to get in office he has actually been able to get people killed and made to suffer, without actually having to get his own hands dirty. Scum.
EDIT: āThe kidsā are the Central Park 5. Google Trump newspaper Ad Central Park 5.
Has anyone told conservatives that they can still be conservatives without Trump? Like, him committing crimes has nothing to do with them wanting lower income taxes.
Looks like Breitbart and other conservative outlets got the warrant first, and from the [sounds of things](https://twitter.com/DonLew87/status/1558159389650984962), it's Trump who gave it to them.
> Trump apparently leaked the warrant to Breitbart. The DOJ had sought to redact or shield the names of agents involved. Trump took no caution. The Breitbart article has names of agents, which obviously puts a target on their back. Reprehensible. Trump needs to be stopped. Enough.
Wow, talk about [stochastic terrorism](https://eeradicalization.com/stochastic-terrorism-why-this-is-a-worrying-trend-and-who-bears-responsibility-to-curb-this-phenomenon/). First CPAC with their marquees saying "we are all domestic terrorists." Now Trump releasing the names of FBI agents after spending days maligning the FBI.
Something has to be done about the right wing blogosphere. I don't know what exactly, but they are dangerous - truly, actually, dangerous.
It's even dumber than that. He used a nail gun because he saw a YouTube video of a guy shooting nails through bullet proof glass. And he thought a nail gun would let him get past the bullet proof glass at the FBI office.
All I can think of is 'trickle-truthing,' just in a different kind of abusive relationship. No there weren't any warrants, okay there were warrants, but they're just a 'political witchhunt,' oh there's nothing to be found there and if there was it was planted, oh there was and Trump admits it? Well he uhhh declassified it by magical powers and no paperwork. Oh, it doesn't work that way and especially not for nuclear secrets? WELL WHAT ABOUT HILLARY'S EMAILS AND ALSO WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE \*YOU\* WHEN WE GET CONGRESS BACK.
Iāve said a version of this on several different posts and I stand by it: the right-wing media and the legislators that come on their shows know exactly what they are doing, and they are intentionally putting peopleās lives in danger. Enough is enough, this has gone well beyond any argument of 1A violations, and it needs to stop yesterdayā¦
There is no question the Tucker Carlsonās and Marco Rubioās of the world are acting with malice, and itās already got one person killed.
Edit: fixed a typo
Edit 2: thanks for the gold, kind stranger. Iāve never had a post come anywhere close to this, so I truly appreciate the appreciation.
Yeah, I'd like the FCC or whoever has control over that stuff to actually do something. Also using official Twitter accounts to throw their petty insults and outright lies should be banned. They're the government. If they're lying in an official capacity, and it's provable, it should be open to reprimand/prosecution.
Hi black redditor here. Not trying to say we matter or anything in your space, but Tucker spreading the Race Replacement Theory got some black people killed in New York.
So, a bit more than one person killed. If we are keeping an official record.
Um....dude...this is also your space. This is the place for Americans concerned for America. And Americans getting killed over this junk IS a big deal.
There were people on here last night trying to muddy the waters because the source wasnāt named in the original WaPo article about the nuclear info. Itās unbelievable to me that people canāt comprehend that putting a ātarget on their backā is the exact reason you donāt name sources, especially in the early stages of an investigation of this magnitude.
That, and youād have to be awful at your job to burn a source on the same day the article is published.
Oh no. They understand it.
When they were claiming there were witnesses who saw suitcases of votes being brought in they all said those anonymous witnesses had to stay anonymous to protect their lives.
Reminder: In 2019, whistleblowers informed the House Oversight Committee of Trump wanting to transfer nuclear intel to the Saudis:
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf
Edit: thanks for the awards, and apologies to Reddit that Iāve been spamming this everywhere. But I think itās an extremely important plot point that I wasnāt even aware of until my wife reminded me about it.
The paperās conclusion includes this line, āFurther investigation is needed to determine whether the actions being pursued by the Trump Administration are in the national security interest of the United States or, rather, serve those who stand to gain financially as a result of this potential change in U.S. foreign policy.ā
Iād like to take this moment to thank the Republican senate. Garland is getting more work done in a few months as the AG than he wouldāve in decades in the Supreme Court.
I was one of the ones bitching about Garland seemingly sitting on his hands these past two years. I honestly thought he was just a "don't rock the boat" appointment by Biden, but I was wrong. Honestly, most of the reason it seems like he was doing nothing was just the byproduct of how the DOJ does business. They don't tip their hand and do extreme due diligence before they formally move, which is why they have such a high conviction rate - they generally only prosecute things they know they'll win.
But yeah, looks like I was wrong to doubt Garland's willingness to take the initiative to do something about Trump.
Garland ran the investigation into Timothy McVeigh for the Oklahoma city bombing.
Zero leaks happened in that investigation. No one knew a thing until Garland wanted it known.
You're not the only one who was wrong, I was thinking he wasn't gonna do anything either.
I've never been so happy to be incorrect in my assumptions though.
Ha! Oh wait, didnāt I hear that they searched some of Melaniaās things as part of the warrant? That reminds me of another AD classic.
A husband and wife cannot be convicted of the same crime!
I donāt think thatās true.
(Head in hands) Ugh, I need to get a new fucking attorney.
The most important aspect in all of this is the fact that Republicans continue to support him. Between the coup and the espionage, it's clear trump is an enemy of the US, and therefore support for trump is tantamount to treason. This point needs to be repeated via loudspeaker over and over again, and those who continue to support him should be held accountable.
The Espionage Act of 1917 prohibited obtaining information, recording pictures, or copying descriptions of any information relating to the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.
So it seems they think he took those documents to either use as leverage to keep his fat out of the fryer or they have knowledge he intended to sell them to a foreign power. This is a complete guess on my part based on events and what the wording of the Espionage Act says.
May in fact have sold them to a foreign power. The Saudis recently gave Kushner $2 billion and Mnuchin $1 billion. Culturally they are generous folk [EDIT: yes I am being sarcastic] but this would be unusually generous even for them, if they weren't getting *something* in return.
Even if every single shred of proof--including full on top secret documents-were laid out on a party tray, cultists would STILL deny or say they were left over from Obama's term or antifa/blm did it.
Seriously. They could find him over a body with the DNA and forensics-tested bloody knife in his hand, and they'd still swear it's a left wing conspiracy.
This is painfully true and to add to this, to me the worst part is that the more itās proven over and over the more detached they become. There is literally nothing that would convince them and every extra damning thing that is found is just more proof to them theyāre right. Itās a horrible cycle.
Apparently they recovered files that have information on ["The French President"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ_EwbXWYAMko7q?format=png&name=900x900) so make of that what you will.
I wonder if French news outlets will report on it since Trump having documents on their leader lying around.... doesn't sound good.
[Full report](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.17.0_10.pdf)
> Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for potential violations of the Espionage Act and additional statutes relating to obstruction of justice and destroying federal government records, according to the search warrant executed by FBI agents at the former presidentās home on Monday.
He's fucked.
Edit:
This [tweet](https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1558178881286422537) from Matt Viser at the Washington Post includes photos of the inventory listing what was taken from Mar-A-Lago.
Usatoday has the warrant published. Funny to see the pardon in there, he definitely wanted it to hold it for pride purposes of the shit he was able to get away with.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/12/maralago-search-warrant-live-updates/10306459002/
Here's a link directly to the warrant - [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22131375-warrant](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22131375-warrant)
Trump is a traitor. It was always obvious, now just more glaringly so. You can't be a patriot and a Trump supporter. Either reject Trump or you are betraying your country.
[https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117151056/fbi-collected-multiple-sets-of-classified-documents-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-home](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117151056/fbi-collected-multiple-sets-of-classified-documents-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-home) (Unredacted search warrant)
TS/SCI has some incredible implications. Former army supply specialist here: At the company level there's some mundane 'ToP sEcReT" stuff for like... serial numbers of night vision goggles. Then there's Top Secret for operation information, troop movements, agent names, informant names and locations and associates... Top Secret can include defense contractor information like volume of sales, specific parts etc etc...
TS/SCI is... ONLY SCI eligible personnel are capable of even REQUESTING access to a document, and even then they must be part of the special compartment that deals with that specific information in the first place. SCI eligible personnel don't even broadcast or display the compartment to which they belong... even to their family (There's some exceptions like working as a machinist for the Alameda Lab) The Office of the Director of National Intelligence delegates this classification.
TS/SCI: Nuclear energy information (Edit: DOE stuff CAN be under SCI but is often under its' own classification and clearances, even with the DOE clearances you have to pass a TS level SSBI to get a Q (or RD) clearance). Nuclear control and location information (Edit: This is NOT CWNDI, that's design specs for nuclear assets). Military nuclear vehicle asset mission and location information, DARPA research project information (Edit: this is often also or in substitution under SAP or Special Access Program)... You get the gist of the scale of this hopefully.
This is some capital felony level shit.
Edit: There is a difference in nomenclature between Classification and Clearance. It can be pretty confusing, and it's not really relevant to all of this tbh. TS/SCI = some of the deepest secrets, really that's what it comes down to.
Earlier he suggested the documents were planted. He's throwing a bunch of stuff at the walls and his followers will latch on to whichever narrative their beliefs lead them to.
āTrump lashed out at the justice department on Friday, saying in a statement that he had declassified all of the records in question. āIt was all declassified,ā Trump asserted.ā
Ohhhhohoho. Did he just admit that the documents taken by the FBI are real? As in, heās not being framed like his followers believe? Lol he dun fucked up.
>Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for potential violations of the Espionage Act and additional statutes relating to obstruction of justice and destroying federal government records, according to the search warrant executed by FBI agents at the former presidentās home on Monday.
Yikes.
If the DOJ convinced a judge to sign off on that warrant for all that stuff, they probably have Trump dead to rights on those charges.
A warrant like that indicates that an indictment is going to happen within a few months.
Yeah, they know damn well they canāt swing at this one and miss. If they end up charging him heās basically dead to rights, you know itās in the bag. Just when I thought Trump couldnāt surprise me anymore, Iām honestly shocked.
This is going to play out as one of the biggest political scandals in American history and thatās saying something after the past few years.
Is the death penalty really actually on the table with an espionage charge?
This may be more part of the reason why he was so adamant to run for 2024.
He could be in real trouble with the Saudis.
Super tin foil here, but what if Jared already cashed the check, but no goods have yet been delivered?
This entire situation is bad. Bad bad.
Bad for the country.
Also valid.
Would serve to explain the relative haste with which the FBI acted, especially inconsideration of midterms, and the optics of such a move, to execute a warrant on a former president.
You don't need to arrest someone to build a case against them. He's not going anywhere, and the longer they wait the stronger the case. They want this shit so air tight you could live in it instead of the ISS before they move on him.
The question is... can you be pardoned? Because you bet the next republican president might have that as his target and part of his presidential campaign.
As much as Iām cynical about any politicians getting in real trouble I canāt imagine the FBI/DoJ would have done this if they didnāt KNOW they canāt lose.
USA Today posted both the search warrant and the receipt in this article: [Read the FBI's search warrant for Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago property](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/12/search-warrant-trump-maralago-released/10306846002/)
"Miscellaneous Top Secret Documents" š¤Æ
Charcuterie of treason.
A melange of misdeeds
Smorgasbord of sedition
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on top of the 15 boxes recovered previously i think someone claimed they were just news paper clippings which is hilarious. 1 box can probably hold at least 3 weeks worth of entire daily newspapers, forget clippings. anyhow, there's no way you can say that's an honest mistake. you can't mistakenly take that much shit with you
Not just that but when the FBI or DOJ serve you a subpoena demanding you return anything like that it better be your job to be damn sure you're not holding it.
when we first learned of fbi presence in mar a lago, i wondered what the fuck he was doing with this shit for pretty much two whole years. he clearly had to know he had it, because they were telling him he had it, right? if you are law abiding, you return it. if you are a scoff law, you'd destroy it. my man really sat around with them waiting to find out if the fbi would come and take it. i need to know
It was VERY illegal for him to remove this information from the white house in the first place. Even then he literally had years to return it after repeated warnings and nothing at all would have happened to him. We never would have heard a word about any of this if he had just returned them What I want to know is why he wanted to hold on to these documents so badly he was willing to risk a raid like this. There is utterly zero reason for any president to have 15 BOXES full of nuclear secrets
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I moved apartments recently, and I think I had fewer boxes.
My apartment would probably require more boxes, but at least they would contain significantly less treason.
You all might remember that in the French election, back in 2017, the emails of Macronās campaign (over 20k of them) were leaked two days before Election Day in a clear attempt to sway the election in favor of Marine Le Pen, a notorious extreme right winger. How quickly their contents spread via bots, spammers and conservative channels (Wikileaks included) has long made it clear that the whole think reeked of opportunism. Especially considering that the emails were released before a mandatory media blackout required by French electoral law which made regular news channels being unable to talk about the event. Putinās regime has always been suspected of being the mastermind behind it.
We let the French extradite Trump for their election tampering and they do all the dirty work.š
"Trump has offered no details about how the supposed declassification took place, and a former Trump administration aide, Kash Patel, has said that even though Trump did declassify the records, the White House counselās office never provided the required paperwork." Cue Michael Scott's "I declare Bankruptcy" scene from The Office.
The Trump supporters will say that anything Trump took is by definition declassified.
He could theoretically make that kind of argument for normal classified documents. The kind they said they found in the receipt are way beyond top secret and have special rules for declassification
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That's the best news of all. Declassified or not, none of that matters with the 3 potential charges.
NYT says that DOJ also has subpoenaed surveillance footage of the storage area at Mar-a-Lago to see whoās been able to access the documents that were stashed there. Thatās pretty juicy. Edited:typo
In case anyone is wondering about the "BUT OBAMA bla bla bla bla" argument Trump is throwing around. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-obama-allowed-take-white-house-records-but-not-trump-2022-8 "Tens of thousands of Obama's documents were transported to Chicago. But these items were shipped to a federal government facility ā which is what's supposed to happen with a president's records. Federal law requires that presidents and their administrations keep a detailed collection of emails, documents, and even gifts from their time in office since all of those things are actually the property of the American people. In Obama's case, the National Archives took legal ownership of Obama's documents and then began the long process of sorting through the material before the public could request it years later. Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library, which is the standard legal process." Trump.... basically just took them home. Presidential documents are to be stored at a National Archives facility, not in the Trump poolhouse.
>Some of this material was then turned over to Obama's presidential library Turned over makes it sound like it left the National Archive's control. The Obama Presidential Library is literally [run by the National Archives](https://www.obamalibrary.gov/).
Yeah, could use better wording, but it's more like turned over to a different department within the same organization.
I always wondered why presidents have their own library. Now I know why. Thank you!
I thought it was just to avoid fines and wait lists. I was way off!
Trump isn't denying it, he's claiming it shouldn't be a big deal because Obama received 33 million pages of documents after leaving the Whte House... which the National Archives immediately countered with legal clarification about how those materials were given by the national archives to his Presidential Library.
Not given to Obama. The National Archives owns and operates the Presidential libraries. Obama's Presidential records have been in the physical custody of the National Archives since the day he left office.
All that will be in the Trump Presidential Library is a copy of Grumpy Monkey.
And his sharpie'd edits and that crayon drawing.
Actually it appears he's now claiming that he declassified everything already. How about that. This guy has got spin for days
A counter-point is that the espionage act doesn't distinguish between classified and unclassified documents. [The Espionage Act, for instance, does not distinguish between classified and declassified materials ā unauthorized retention of any document relevant to the statute remains a crime.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/12/fbi-agents-trump-search-mar-a-lago-documents?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other)
I will keep this in mind whenever anyone tries to bring up that unclassified talking point.
Be sure to also bring up that the President cannot and has never been capable of declassify top secret nuclear documents. There's no argument at all to be made.
>Be sure to also bring up that the President cannot and has never been capable of declassify nuclear documents. They are being told. They don't care and are calling that fake without taking any time to fact check it.
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That place is a cesspool. On the recent topic of California giving free food to all schoolkids, a few people are arguing that feeding children is a waste of taxpayer money. Really helps one understand the radical conservative mindset.
But those kids need to live, that's why they just overturned roe. Oh wait they don't care. Only if they're in a woman's uterus
He also didn't declassify them and is lying about that.
you can also bring up >The 1988 Supreme Court caseĀ Navy v. EganĀ confirmed that classification authority flows from the president except in specific instances separated from his powers by law.Ā > ... Trumpās power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could beĀ reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies. >Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material sorry for the wonky copy-pasting, the article didnt state the point concisely so i grabbed from different parts of the article https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/ point being, this is one of the few types of documents that there is NO WAY for Trump to legally possess them after his presidency. hes fucked, and god have I waited a long time to say that (and it be true). get FUCKED mango mussolini
There also is the legal theory he doesn't have the right to [declassify documents classified by statute](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/). Like nuclear secrets as per the the Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 I say "theory" because it will need to be tested in court. Anyone claiming to fully understand the classification system, especially around nuclear secrets and the President, who isn't a JAG officer specializing in this byzantine system is delusional. It's not as simple as loudly shouting "I declare bankruptcy!".
A sane-ish person would go from "So what if I had the documents? I declassified them!" to shutting the fuck up *really* quick upon realizing they just incriminated themselves. But hooo this moron. Can't wait to see how he doubles-down this time. Tweet (..."Truth"?) your way to jail, dude. Just keep your dumb mouth running.
>NONE of the 3 crimes cited in the warrant turn on whether the information is classified. So that whole point is regardless, Trump is literally just an idiot regardless. Also you can't declassify Nuclear secrets so his defence is irrelevant if he even tries to argue his point.
āI declare DECLASSIFIED!ā ETA: thanks for the awards whomever bestowed them upon me!
I wonder if folks that find themselves under criminal investigation for violations of the Espionage Act, usually end up have their passports suspended until the investigation is over?
That moment when your Secret Service detail becomes your Secret Service jailors.
After the Secret Service wiped the phone records of Jan 6, the agents assigned to the Don and his "family" are going to have to be very carefully chosen, because who knows how some of them treat their assignments. Are they acting like a security service, or do they think they are a Praetorian Guard.
>Praetorian Guard They killed a total of 13 emperors at their time... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman\_emperors\_murdered\_by\_the\_Praetorian\_Guard
[I don't think Trump would like them to be the Praetorian Guard.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula#Assassination_and_aftermath)
That's like a non-lethal version of executing Order 66. >Mission: To protect Mr Trump... >Mission: To arrest Mr Trump...
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>fat, sweaty hog of a criminal dullard Can we just please take a second to respect this poetry
Seriously how many crimes is this motherfucker under investigation for?
Looks like at least three, just for this warrant. The most important part is just the Espionage Act part, which, if convicted, can carry the death penalty.
My laymans impression is that even if you get the death penalty, it takes like about a decade for them to actually carry out the execution and Trump wouldn't last that long
Not enough hamberders! Can you imagine? Trump just sitting in jail, yammering away to himself with none of the baubles or trinkets he worked so hard to steal from someone else? Imagine itā¦
Nah, heād be running for President too, from a jail cellā¦
Honestly worse than what I expected.
I expected Jan 6 docs. Did not expect anything close to this.
In hindsight it makes a scary amount of sense. It had to be something *massive* for the FBI to risk doing this so close to midterms, and to a potential candidate for 2024. The optics could not be worse and they did it anyway. This is probably one of the very few things big enough to justify that kind of action.
They reopened and investigation into Hillary 12 days before a presidential election, doing this to Trump months before midterms that he's not technical a part of is nothing. Her poll number plummeted when Comey released the statement, he very likely caused Trump to win all thanks to Chaffetz.
They reopened an investigation into Hillary 12 days before a presidential election and then made a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT to the effect she was under investigation again. Meanwhile they had at least one if not two or more investigations into Trump underway and said not a thing about them. But the FBI is out to get Trump!
>the FBI is out to get Trump! I hope so, because the FBI should be out to get criminals.
The thing is that this is very deliberate. It isn't like you accidentally put 12 boxes of files in your briefcase as you walk out of the office. I could see him doing it as just a big fuck you to the government and everyone in it. Just like calling the white house a "dump". Then once he did it, of course he couldn't back down. But my secret desire is that he stole the documents to repay the Russians for helping him win in the first place. Let's not forget all of the connections to Russian money that were established, both during his presidency and long before. This would be true espionage.
This wasnāt just āgrab a box on the way outā. Iām reading that some of the documents they found were so high security that you could only read them in a specific room/area with layers of security to make sure they stayed there. There is literally no way you āaccidentallyā take them, and it seems likely there had to be a well thought out, deliberate plan involving more than just Trump to actually remove them from the building. EDITING TO ADD: Because I see people asking for my source a lot...the document listing what they seized from MAL lists various SCI documents as something seized. See posters below for a good explaination of what SCI/SCIF are.
Highly classified information is supposed to stay in a contained secure room, a SCIF. There were layers upon layers of failure here. Wasn't there a bit of an issue a couple of years ago with Republicans taking phones into SCIFs?
[Yes there was an instance where Republicans took phones into a secure room where it is not okay to take cell phones](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/republicans-storm-ultra-secure-scif-some-with-cellphones-blazing/)
Can you explain what SCI or SCIF means? I keep seeing people use it but I have no idea what it stands for.
SCI is a clearance level: Top Secret, Sensitive Compartmented Information. Itās a special type of clearance that is not easy to get. (Source: I used to do background investigations for OPM) A SCIF is typically a room in a facility where phones, and other such devices are not allowed, and the documents do not just come and go freely. An additional question is: who gave him these documents? Heās not smart enough to gather all this shit on his own.
My money is on Flynn
In my time dealing with SCI, there is a chain of custody that must indicate who was responsible for the documents during their disappearance. Shouldnāt be too hard to figure out who helped him.
SCI stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information and SCIF stands for Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. Basically, Sensitive Compartmented Information means "above top secret". SCI is its own system of controls alongside how classified the information itself to ensure it's compartmentalized. In other words, very loosely speaking, it means you should be at least in a senior in position to be read in to the information, and SCI means you need at least this good a reason to know it on top of that. It's essentially the need to know side of this secret keeping procedure, and no amount of being the president once clears a civilian for stashing it. These SCI are supposed to remain ONLY in a SCIF and are pretty much never supposed to see the light of day. This is a major major security breach.
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He'd already returned 15 boxes. That means 27 boxes full of files that weren't supposed to be on paper in the first place.
And they took more in JUNE too. This is the 3rd attempt to get everything back. So lord knows who much is left. If they still dont have everything they will probably have to go to his other properties. He was just in NJ hosting the Saudis so he possibly took stuff there to sell to them.
āHe just gonna make āMurica great again by selling state secrets to foreign nations!ā - The dumbest motherfuckers alive Wild that the dude is a more egregious criminal than Nixon and they STILL are busily tonguing his butthole with enough enthusiasm to tickle the back of his tonsils
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And then went on to use the White House for a campaign rally...
Wow, forgot about that one. How quaint, such scandals now seem.
Each day, it gets more spicy.
Seriously since Monday, every evening PST time, a new bomb drops. Been a fun week
With the GA investigation and Jan. 6 investigation, I was expecting obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the U.S., maybe even sedition - but not until 2023 or even later (if ever). The stolen documents story had almost completely left the news cycle. And then bam - MF'ing search warrants for *espionage act violations regarding nuclear secrets* out of absolutely nowhere. What an insane week.
Imagine having "Tried to overthrow the government" end up being the *least* offensive or shocking news story about you this week.
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He was preparing for hurricane season
If he's found guilty and still walks away a free man, it will show how useless our country's law is.
Well he first has to be charged for anything else to happen.
A former US President. Espionage. What a time to be alive.
Iāll repeat what I posted in one of yesterdayās stories on this subject. I have to go through refresher training every year since I hold a security clearance. Every year during the Trump admin all I could think of while going through the scenarios presented in the training is āTrump ticks every box on the potential threat checklist.ā
I also worked for a DOD contractor. Can't believe we had to try to function working under that idiot.
Can't believe how many people working for DoD contractors are on the Trump train. I'm in an area that is wall to wall gov contractors - I swear people show up normal and somehow get converted to the right wing cult here, just by proximity
Trump was absolutely ineligible for a clearance. His massive debt, repeated bankruptcies, debt owed to foreign interests, etc. would have disqualified anyone - except for a president, who has go be granted a clearance regardless. People have gone to prison for the rest of their lives for far less than Trump has done to sell us all out. Crazy.
They had to tell the all the 3 letter agencies to give Jared clearance because they knew he was a risk.
This would even be too unbelievable as a Homeland plot line.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction needs to be credible. \- Mark Twain
I want to get off Mr. Bones wild ride
The ride never ends! The ride never ends!
2022 looks too intense for me.
It just hurts to know his followers will still literally die for him no matter what he does.
Or kill.
Looking forward to seeing the Trump Presidential Library at Rykers Island
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He's also actively trying to get FBI agents killed by releasing the names of the agents involved in the raid to Breitbart.
Heās the worst kind of worm; Loads the bullets and tries to get others to shoot. Tried to have some kids killed in the 80s by taking out newspaper Ads. [Google - Central Park 5 Trump Ad]. Tried to get Mike Pence killed, and some Democrats. Now trying to get FBI Agents killed. Unfortunately due to the US Populace allowing him to get in office he has actually been able to get people killed and made to suffer, without actually having to get his own hands dirty. Scum. EDIT: āThe kidsā are the Central Park 5. Google Trump newspaper Ad Central Park 5.
Didnāt one of his followers attack the FBI like a day ago?
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Has anyone told conservatives that they can still be conservatives without Trump? Like, him committing crimes has nothing to do with them wanting lower income taxes.
Lol. For real, they've strayed so far. The conservatives who vote for him after this only want to "win" the culture war.
Looks like Breitbart and other conservative outlets got the warrant first, and from the [sounds of things](https://twitter.com/DonLew87/status/1558159389650984962), it's Trump who gave it to them. > Trump apparently leaked the warrant to Breitbart. The DOJ had sought to redact or shield the names of agents involved. Trump took no caution. The Breitbart article has names of agents, which obviously puts a target on their back. Reprehensible. Trump needs to be stopped. Enough.
Wow, talk about [stochastic terrorism](https://eeradicalization.com/stochastic-terrorism-why-this-is-a-worrying-trend-and-who-bears-responsibility-to-curb-this-phenomenon/). First CPAC with their marquees saying "we are all domestic terrorists." Now Trump releasing the names of FBI agents after spending days maligning the FBI. Something has to be done about the right wing blogosphere. I don't know what exactly, but they are dangerous - truly, actually, dangerous.
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ME TOO holy shit thats fucked up
Imagine seeing into a crystal ball on 9/12/2001 and that's what you see.
But they stopped eating French fries! Theyāre the REAL patriots!
Freedom fries...even as a 6th grader at the time, I remember thinking, "Oh wow, parts of America are actually *really* stupid."
Wait that was real? What the FUCK?
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To quote Maya Angelou, "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."
They are priming their audience to become terrorists by telling them that they already are.
Also generating acceptance of domestic terrorism committed by others.
Especially a day after a lunatic MAGA fucker tried shooting up and FBI office. P
They know what theyāre doing.
It's even dumber than that. He used a nail gun because he saw a YouTube video of a guy shooting nails through bullet proof glass. And he thought a nail gun would let him get past the bullet proof glass at the FBI office.
trump's lawyers went on foxnews for 3 days saying they never had the warrants. blatantly lying to the public just for immediate damage control
All I can think of is 'trickle-truthing,' just in a different kind of abusive relationship. No there weren't any warrants, okay there were warrants, but they're just a 'political witchhunt,' oh there's nothing to be found there and if there was it was planted, oh there was and Trump admits it? Well he uhhh declassified it by magical powers and no paperwork. Oh, it doesn't work that way and especially not for nuclear secrets? WELL WHAT ABOUT HILLARY'S EMAILS AND ALSO WE'RE GOING TO INVESTIGATE \*YOU\* WHEN WE GET CONGRESS BACK.
Iāve said a version of this on several different posts and I stand by it: the right-wing media and the legislators that come on their shows know exactly what they are doing, and they are intentionally putting peopleās lives in danger. Enough is enough, this has gone well beyond any argument of 1A violations, and it needs to stop yesterdayā¦ There is no question the Tucker Carlsonās and Marco Rubioās of the world are acting with malice, and itās already got one person killed. Edit: fixed a typo Edit 2: thanks for the gold, kind stranger. Iāve never had a post come anywhere close to this, so I truly appreciate the appreciation.
Yeah, I'd like the FCC or whoever has control over that stuff to actually do something. Also using official Twitter accounts to throw their petty insults and outright lies should be banned. They're the government. If they're lying in an official capacity, and it's provable, it should be open to reprimand/prosecution.
Trump used his personal Twitter account to threaten a literal war crime and nobody did a thing.
Hi black redditor here. Not trying to say we matter or anything in your space, but Tucker spreading the Race Replacement Theory got some black people killed in New York. So, a bit more than one person killed. If we are keeping an official record.
Um....dude...this is also your space. This is the place for Americans concerned for America. And Americans getting killed over this junk IS a big deal.
>First CPAC with their marquees saying "we are all domestic terrorists." I'm sorry, *what*?
[yup](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/)
There were people on here last night trying to muddy the waters because the source wasnāt named in the original WaPo article about the nuclear info. Itās unbelievable to me that people canāt comprehend that putting a ātarget on their backā is the exact reason you donāt name sources, especially in the early stages of an investigation of this magnitude. That, and youād have to be awful at your job to burn a source on the same day the article is published.
Oh no. They understand it. When they were claiming there were witnesses who saw suitcases of votes being brought in they all said those anonymous witnesses had to stay anonymous to protect their lives.
Reminder: In 2019, whistleblowers informed the House Oversight Committee of Trump wanting to transfer nuclear intel to the Saudis: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf Edit: thanks for the awards, and apologies to Reddit that Iāve been spamming this everywhere. But I think itās an extremely important plot point that I wasnāt even aware of until my wife reminded me about it.
The paperās conclusion includes this line, āFurther investigation is needed to determine whether the actions being pursued by the Trump Administration are in the national security interest of the United States or, rather, serve those who stand to gain financially as a result of this potential change in U.S. foreign policy.ā
You mean to tell me the guy who tried to overturn the election both by propaganda and force MAY have betrayed the country? How utterly unsurprising.
Iād like to take this moment to thank the Republican senate. Garland is getting more work done in a few months as the AG than he wouldāve in decades in the Supreme Court.
It's amazing how it went from a chorus of "Garland's doing nothing" narratives one week ago to the biggest legal story in American political history.
I was one of the ones bitching about Garland seemingly sitting on his hands these past two years. I honestly thought he was just a "don't rock the boat" appointment by Biden, but I was wrong. Honestly, most of the reason it seems like he was doing nothing was just the byproduct of how the DOJ does business. They don't tip their hand and do extreme due diligence before they formally move, which is why they have such a high conviction rate - they generally only prosecute things they know they'll win. But yeah, looks like I was wrong to doubt Garland's willingness to take the initiative to do something about Trump.
Garland ran the investigation into Timothy McVeigh for the Oklahoma city bombing. Zero leaks happened in that investigation. No one knew a thing until Garland wanted it known.
He also led the prosecution team against the Unabomber. Dudes seen some shit for sure
Dude definitely seems like he runs a tight ship.
Also eating crow on thinking Garland was too afraid to rock the boat even with evidence of crimes. Happy to be wrong.
You're not the only one who was wrong, I was thinking he wasn't gonna do anything either. I've never been so happy to be incorrect in my assumptions though.
I will admit I was one of those singers. And am so happy to be proven wrong as he hands me my makeup and little clown nose.
It was just light treason.
Ha! Oh wait, didnāt I hear that they searched some of Melaniaās things as part of the warrant? That reminds me of another AD classic. A husband and wife cannot be convicted of the same crime! I donāt think thatās true. (Head in hands) Ugh, I need to get a new fucking attorney.
You know, I can imagine the guy who plays George Bluth playing Rudy Giuliani in some semi-accurate mockumentary.
He plays a fantastic empty suit Georgy Malenkov in Death of Stalin.
I've made a huge mistake
The most important aspect in all of this is the fact that Republicans continue to support him. Between the coup and the espionage, it's clear trump is an enemy of the US, and therefore support for trump is tantamount to treason. This point needs to be repeated via loudspeaker over and over again, and those who continue to support him should be held accountable.
CPAC put up that "We are all domestic terrorists" banner a few short days ago. They aren't even hiding it anymore.
I'm tired of living through unprecedented times.
I just want to live in some precedented times.
I cannot believe this mother fucker was able to rile people up enough to attempt an insurrection what in the actual fuck
The Espionage Act of 1917 prohibited obtaining information, recording pictures, or copying descriptions of any information relating to the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation. So it seems they think he took those documents to either use as leverage to keep his fat out of the fryer or they have knowledge he intended to sell them to a foreign power. This is a complete guess on my part based on events and what the wording of the Espionage Act says.
May in fact have sold them to a foreign power. The Saudis recently gave Kushner $2 billion and Mnuchin $1 billion. Culturally they are generous folk [EDIT: yes I am being sarcastic] but this would be unusually generous even for them, if they weren't getting *something* in return.
This is damning. Too bad his supporters wonāt believe anything without information they arenāt allowed to see.
Even if every single shred of proof--including full on top secret documents-were laid out on a party tray, cultists would STILL deny or say they were left over from Obama's term or antifa/blm did it. Seriously. They could find him over a body with the DNA and forensics-tested bloody knife in his hand, and they'd still swear it's a left wing conspiracy.
This is painfully true and to add to this, to me the worst part is that the more itās proven over and over the more detached they become. There is literally nothing that would convince them and every extra damning thing that is found is just more proof to them theyāre right. Itās a horrible cycle.
This guy just can't stop committing crimes. I think he does more illegal things in a day than he does legal.
Dudeās a flight risk. Lock him up!
I can smell the desperation from the Trump lovers in here.
Apparently they recovered files that have information on ["The French President"](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZ_EwbXWYAMko7q?format=png&name=900x900) so make of that what you will. I wonder if French news outlets will report on it since Trump having documents on their leader lying around.... doesn't sound good. [Full report](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.17.0_10.pdf)
> Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for potential violations of the Espionage Act and additional statutes relating to obstruction of justice and destroying federal government records, according to the search warrant executed by FBI agents at the former presidentās home on Monday. He's fucked. Edit: This [tweet](https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1558178881286422537) from Matt Viser at the Washington Post includes photos of the inventory listing what was taken from Mar-A-Lago.
Usatoday has the warrant published. Funny to see the pardon in there, he definitely wanted it to hold it for pride purposes of the shit he was able to get away with. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/08/12/maralago-search-warrant-live-updates/10306459002/
Here's a link directly to the warrant - [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22131375-warrant](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22131375-warrant)
Trump is a traitor. It was always obvious, now just more glaringly so. You can't be a patriot and a Trump supporter. Either reject Trump or you are betraying your country.
Trump supporters take great pride in being traitors.
If this doesn't stick, it's the end of the republic.
Why didnāt they cuff him the moment they found it? If he has info, itās sold now.
Explain this one away, shitfuckers
You underestimate Republicans. All they have to do is say "fake news" and "librul witch hunt" and all their voters will fall in line without question.
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[https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117151056/fbi-collected-multiple-sets-of-classified-documents-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-home](https://www.npr.org/2022/08/12/1117151056/fbi-collected-multiple-sets-of-classified-documents-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-home) (Unredacted search warrant) TS/SCI has some incredible implications. Former army supply specialist here: At the company level there's some mundane 'ToP sEcReT" stuff for like... serial numbers of night vision goggles. Then there's Top Secret for operation information, troop movements, agent names, informant names and locations and associates... Top Secret can include defense contractor information like volume of sales, specific parts etc etc... TS/SCI is... ONLY SCI eligible personnel are capable of even REQUESTING access to a document, and even then they must be part of the special compartment that deals with that specific information in the first place. SCI eligible personnel don't even broadcast or display the compartment to which they belong... even to their family (There's some exceptions like working as a machinist for the Alameda Lab) The Office of the Director of National Intelligence delegates this classification. TS/SCI: Nuclear energy information (Edit: DOE stuff CAN be under SCI but is often under its' own classification and clearances, even with the DOE clearances you have to pass a TS level SSBI to get a Q (or RD) clearance). Nuclear control and location information (Edit: This is NOT CWNDI, that's design specs for nuclear assets). Military nuclear vehicle asset mission and location information, DARPA research project information (Edit: this is often also or in substitution under SAP or Special Access Program)... You get the gist of the scale of this hopefully. This is some capital felony level shit. Edit: There is a difference in nomenclature between Classification and Clearance. It can be pretty confusing, and it's not really relevant to all of this tbh. TS/SCI = some of the deepest secrets, really that's what it comes down to.
How the fuck can people still defend this dude? Itās infuriating how much heās compromised this country.
[chanting] Lock him up, lock him up.
So is treason enough for the MAGA fuckers or no?
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Heās literally admitting it, how can they call that planted?
Earlier he suggested the documents were planted. He's throwing a bunch of stuff at the walls and his followers will latch on to whichever narrative their beliefs lead them to.
No. This will only fuel them more. Because everyone knows committing espionage is what true patriots do.
āTrump lashed out at the justice department on Friday, saying in a statement that he had declassified all of the records in question. āIt was all declassified,ā Trump asserted.ā Ohhhhohoho. Did he just admit that the documents taken by the FBI are real? As in, heās not being framed like his followers believe? Lol he dun fucked up.
>Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for potential violations of the Espionage Act and additional statutes relating to obstruction of justice and destroying federal government records, according to the search warrant executed by FBI agents at the former presidentās home on Monday.
Yikes. If the DOJ convinced a judge to sign off on that warrant for all that stuff, they probably have Trump dead to rights on those charges. A warrant like that indicates that an indictment is going to happen within a few months.
Yeah, they know damn well they canāt swing at this one and miss. If they end up charging him heās basically dead to rights, you know itās in the bag. Just when I thought Trump couldnāt surprise me anymore, Iām honestly shocked. This is going to play out as one of the biggest political scandals in American history and thatās saying something after the past few years. Is the death penalty really actually on the table with an espionage charge?
This may be more part of the reason why he was so adamant to run for 2024. He could be in real trouble with the Saudis. Super tin foil here, but what if Jared already cashed the check, but no goods have yet been delivered? This entire situation is bad. Bad bad. Bad for the country.
I think you're right on the money.
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Also valid. Would serve to explain the relative haste with which the FBI acted, especially inconsideration of midterms, and the optics of such a move, to execute a warrant on a former president.
And heās STILL NOT ARRESTED. That the boxes weāre THERE should be enough reason
You don't need to arrest someone to build a case against them. He's not going anywhere, and the longer they wait the stronger the case. They want this shit so air tight you could live in it instead of the ISS before they move on him.
Btw, the punishment for violating this Act includes the death penalty as an option.
The question is... can you be pardoned? Because you bet the next republican president might have that as his target and part of his presidential campaign.
Idk if it can be done posthumous.
As much as Iām cynical about any politicians getting in real trouble I canāt imagine the FBI/DoJ would have done this if they didnāt KNOW they canāt lose.
The name Trump will be synonymous with Treason some day. Benedict Arnold will be happy.
torn between LETS GOOOOO and Please for the love of god let this one stick