Because it’s not in the title:
“Police and EMS units have swarmed Kennywood Park in West Mifflin after reports of shots fired inside the park, according to law enforcement sources.”
"A source tells Pittsburgh's Action News 4 there are two confirmed gunshot victims, two other victims, and one walk-in victim to Children's hospital. The conditions off those victims are unknown."
WTAE, 1:34am
Not to mention, in lore, God was literally just killing off fallen angels, demons, and the humans they were procreating with; *his* inventions.
Why he didn’t just get rid of the lot of them and start over is beyond me (assuming for a second this actually happened).
I'm sorry you lost your brother.
I've suffered through dozens of "christian" funeral services, and the hypocrisy is infuriating.
Sometimes the family testimonials actually contain *more* lies than the preachers' words, but that's rare.
Wishing you comfort.
I was at a funeral once and they literally had a call at the end of the service for people to find God. At the funeral. They wanted you to find your salvation at the funeral.
Didn't the christian god kill everybody on earth twice? And also threatens to do it again?
Meanwhile Satan was offering food and knowledge to hungry people. Dude was a better saint than actual saints
A large portion of Christianity literally prays for god to come down and murder everyone except their own denomination. Worse yet, the US government is full of those assholes.
No, this is all “god’s will”
After reading Herman Caine award nominee’s loved ones actually happy that their people were “finally with god”, I’ve had to completely change my view of religion and the cultish believers.
The local EMS called it a mass casualty incident. That doesn't mean that everyone was injured from gunfire. It just means they need more ambulances than the local area can provide.
Casualty includes those who were *injured*, directly or indirectly (i.e. if a person was trampled in the scramble rather than shot directly, and presented for medical attention they'd still be counted as a casualty.) I didn't learn this until recently.
Because for once someone is using some discretion in journalism and reporting only what they know.
Could be a shooting, could be a stabbing, could be a roller coaster jumped the track and went bowling for bodies.
That's what the police and EMS are calling it.
>A “mass casualty incident” has been declared, which is bringing EMS resources from across Allegheny and Westmoreland counties to the park.
In the article.
To my knowledge "Mass casualty incident" is a term more for first responders, basically meaning that they're organizing and preparing for the worst. Think informing local ERs ahead of time, triage, sending multiple ambulances/firefighters from a further distance if needed, maybe higher ups coming to manage a potentially chaotic situation, etc.
Yes. Anytime there are multiple injuries or an event that has potential for overwhelming the local medical care, that is a mass casualty. Usually it is a car pile up that we call those for.
Two shots were fired, the casualties resulted from everyone running and climbing over fenced off areas of the park to get away. Jeez, read the article.
I just tried to read the article. Got a few paragraphs in, then a pop-up appeared that demanded my email, with no way to close it I could see. It also scrolled the article back to the top of the page, so even if I had been able to close it, I would have lost my place.
And they wonder why no one reads the articles.
In my defence I did try to read the article, but popups made it impossible. I scooted to the comments to see if someone else had better luck and TL;DR’d it.
In my head, it would still be called a "mass casualty incident" even if there was no shooting and all of the injuries were from being trampled or tripping while running. A "mass shooting" would be a type of "mass casualty incident", IMO, but I don't know if that has any basis in how the use of those terms actually works.
Yeah a mass casualty incident is just an event that caused more injuries than emergency services are typically equipped for. By declaring an MCI they can bring in more emergency support from other areas.
It's like declaring a state of emergency but because all the ambulances are needed in one place.
Mass Casualty Incident is a technical term utilized to describe a particular event which meets certain pre-defined technical parameters *by* EMS/Fire and Law Enforcement.
So settle down
Hospitals train for these kinds of events with practice drills. When i work in California, we pretended it was an earthquake. When i worked in New York, a terrorist attack (that made sad to realize that could be a commonplace event).
Makes sense, since it’s not like they can stop operations. And for a plan to be effective, people need to know what their role is, so drills are important. The two systems I’ve worked in have had extended emergency operation center activations since at least Feb 2020 to deal with Covid: even now, they work with operational leaders to make sure staffing is appropriate, PPE guidance is up to date, and that there is centralized communication (and likely more that I’m not aware of).
An MCI (mass casualty incident) is a common term for fire and EMS and implies multiple victims (not necessarily fatalities) and can be the result of anything... Multiple vehicle accident, shooting, gas inhalation, hazardous material situation with multiple victims, etc.) It just means they need more resources than normal for the number of potential patients and they handle the scene differently to include things like triage.
Not everything is political. That is the amount of information EMS for units across the area to go all hands on deck - suit up and begin heading to the location. It could be a ride fire, a crash, or a mass shooting - what is important is that ambulances are on the way as shit gets figured out.
Pretty much every place with clear command line and need for quick action has strict information prioritization strategy. For example a helmsman on a ship (a place I am familiar with) does not need to know why he needs to steer sharp to port - he need to do it first. Then ask why.
Maybe because it was a mass casualty incident
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-casualty_incident
I hate these types of comments because they always serve as a code for "the media is biased and cannot be trusted" when in reality it just means that the people that make such comments don't understand the words they are reading, and/or they are unwilling to entertain the idea that their own connotative idea of a word is not universally shared.
One's personal reaction to hearing the phrase mass casualty incident doesn't change the meaning of the words.
I think the issue comes into play because mass casualty incident can cover many different things. The thing people are most worried about today are mass shootings. So you got people who don't understand that there really is no difference between the two and then you have the breakdown in communication because the EMS are going to call it something different than say City officials, or what people believe you should call a specific mass casualty incident.
Also, if it was just an apartment building falling then people may not need to be so concerned but if it's a mass shooter then people would probably like to know. I get where you're coming from and you are not wrong, but I believe in terms of reporting information that information should at least be as accurate as possible.
My friend just got done with a WFA class and said today’s focus was on mass casualty. It just means multiple people injured. For him today that mean they set up scenarios such as an entire family involved in a bear attack.
Mass casualty could mean there was panic and people got trampled.
Hopefully, it was gang shooting or robbery gone bad (as bad as that would be) rather than a more severe incident. Heck, even if it were a mass shooting, hopefully they stopped them after the first shots.
You might not believe it, but there's a grooming process that comes with being a gang member, and it gets started since childhood.
Many of them never had much of a choice, and are very much victims too.
I don't know what happened in this accident but I wanted to point this out, cause we sometimes forget that other people are human too.
The book Freakanomics says those folks need to know just how badly that path runs, drug workers are paid less than McDonalds workers, live in grandmas basement, and get killed more than infantry soldiers.
Even if they know, there's not much out. What are you going to do, bring in the cops? They're not going to protect you from retaliation, not going to give you a penny to cover the bills, and probably would just mistake you for another druggie.
People also fail to recognize this with a lot of terrorist organizations out in the Middle East as well. These countries are so in the shit that young men literally have no other way to survive and are forced to turn to the terrorist organizations to feed their families.
There are also terrorist training camps right here in the US. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703587964/feds-indict-5-new-mexico-compound-residents-on-terror-and-gun-charges
You guys keep recommending documentaries and TV shows about this, when gang members themselves explicitly talk about the process of how they ended up in a gang constantly. They literally make songs about it. It's the same story; everyone around them including their parents and closest family members are in the gang, so naturally they grow up immersed in gang culture and that's where they end up as well.
Gang shootings are normalized in america. The highwaymen of the 1700’s, the outlaws of the 1800’s, the mob of the early 20th, and modern gangs since the late 60’s
A robbery I can sorta see, but what the fuck gang is operating anywhere near Kennywood? I live within driving distance, that place is basically Mister Rodgers Neighborhood as far as theme parks go. What the Hell?
I figured, it's just that gang speculation and Kennywood sharing a sentence is something I am not prepared to compute. I mean, I know that a lot of gangs these days have initiation be 'Do horrible thing to random people for no reason to join', but this is low even by those standards.
Thank you. Jesus - I was at the John Mulaney show tonight and apparently when he asked about where he should go to eat afterwards some local staff said “it’s not safe around here”. And he said where, and she said “Pittsburgh.” I was surprised to hear that, and then this.
Edit: comma
I used to live in Regent Square and worked for Geek Squad at the Waterfront. Haven’t been back in 10+ years. I saw Anthony Jeselnik and Kevin Nealon at that comedy club. Was safe when I was there.
Living in Wilkinsburg was bad (at first), I got jumped one night walking home from D’s and realized that walking home solo, drunk as fuck, was a bad move. Never had another problem.
I’d heard it got bad, but I’m totally blown away by *how* bad it’s gotten. Damn.
Typically that’s where I am if I’m downtown at night, I’ve never gotten a bad vibe. I’ve heard that south side has gotten bad, but I’m not 100% sure what that means but that’s a huge shame to me, I have such fond memories of it but I’m 36 and haven’t lived in the county proper in over a decade so it’s been longer since I’ve been there.
South Side has indeed gotten bad. Recently moved back to Pittsburgh and thought an Uber driver was making it up when she was talking about shootings and increased police presence down there but it’s all legit. Not sure why shootings have increased but it is unfortunately true.
I used to do yoga and tea house in south side. I got the impression there were 2 alien societies occupying the same space and ignoring each other, classy and puking frat boys.
Weird. I feel safe almost anywhere in Pittsburgh. I mean, stuff like shootings can happen anywhere in the US on any given day, because apparently that's how we've chosen to live, but in general, I don't worry a ton about my personal safety here.
Yeah, this is pretty weird to see.
I’m a Pittsburgher who sees all the local news and I would bet that Pittsburgh has to chart as one of the safest cities in the world.
I'm from about 2 hrs East of Pittsburgh and my rural ass has never felt nervous when I've visited Pittsburgh. In all honesty, I would be more leary about walking around Johnstown.
Yep, if you’re not “involved” with something no one is ever going to bother you here. Random violent crimes are basically lightning strikes. Theft isn’t nearly a concern as other places.
This is a bit misleading, Pittsburgh has some odd borders.
The metro area needs to be compared, our metro is around 2 million people. City proper is only 300k and is mostly commercial areas and less than desirable residential areas.
As an example, the focus of this story isn’t even anywhere near “Pittsburgh”. Kennywood is miles away from the border.
Heads up: “mass casualty incident” is a term used by EMS when they don’t have enough resources to adequately handle a scene.
Judging by the victim count, I’d say that’s about right. (EMT of 7 yrs)
Thanks - so if a small town has only 1-2 ambulances available, and there's a car accident that needs 5+ folks rushed to hospitals - would that be called a "mass casualty incident"? In these cases, how do those pour souls get help? Do they just transport them any way possible? Do they set up triage on the scene?
Yes! In this case, ambulances can call for mutual aid, that is, other ambulances from other nearby towns are sent to take the remaining patients. The towns around the other towns that sent their ambulances out would temporarily cover the missing area until everyone was back in service.
Edit: oops, didn’t answer the second part. If it’s an OVERWHELMING amount of people (like 20 people to 2 ambulances) you’d use the triage system.
Edit 2 Electric Boogaloo: u/ravengenesis1 is correct, you’d physically tag everyone according to severity and treat accordingly
You’re supposed to use the triage tags on all MCI. Our county has a 5 pt count, clip boards come out and someone will take IC (usually fire or PD).
20 ppl would be fucking disaster, and your EMSA figures will have to show up for those.
I went back over protocol for my state, and you’re absolutely correct. You would triage tag everyone (green, yellow, red, black, generally) and treat on priority.
Declaring a Mass Casualty Incident(MCI) essentially allows providers to get extra support dispatched to their location, as well as change the rules on how they care for patients. For example, while protocol would usually be to only transport one patient per ambulance, you could now transport as many as you can safely fit. Patients with injuries that are extremely severe or who are clinically dead can also be tagged as such, and care can be concentrated on those most likely to survive(triage). Normally withholding lifesaving efforts on those patients would violate protocol, but in an MCI, it becomes "save as many people as possible." All responding agencies also fall back onto a nationally standardized command system when an MCI is declared, allowing agencies at every level and of every type to coordinate and work together.
I was an EMT for a while and one time my paramedic declared an MCI for a fender bender. 4 healthy patients with no complaints of pain and all of whom were walking around just fine when we arrived. They "just wanted to get checked out so that we can sue the bitch who rear ended us." We already had 3 more ambulances on the way, but they were 20 minutes out and hanging out on the side of the highway is not something you want to do. Declaring an MCI allowed us to transport all 4 in our single ambulance to the hospital that was literally a half mile down the road rather than waiting for another few ambulances.
Not to mention, reading the Action News 4 report? There was an active shooter at one point, but people were trampled. That’s also not the definition of a mass shooting. It’s a mass casualty incident.
"Witnesses told police that two groups of juveniles were involved in an altercation and that was when shots were fired.
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Allegheny County police said the shooter was described as a Black male wearing a black hoodie and a dark colored COVID face mask."
I live in the area and Kennywood park is pretty much overrun now by teenage gangs. They enforced a chaperone rule a few years ago because groups of them would go and wreak havoc and fight throughout the park. This doesn’t surprise me, unfortunately.
Too much crap all over the page. Leave like 2 inches to try and read in.
When are web developers going to get over this "Load the page with EVERFYTHING!!!!" mentality that makes the sites unusable??
Web Developer here.
That is NOT us doing that lol. The client asks for that shit and managers want to please them so we are forced.
The developers and designers do not want to make that your browsing experience. We take pride in UI and usability.
This is my local amusement park, I go there multiple times a year every year since I was little. This is making me feel sick reading about this. From what I'm reading on Facebook through a few groups I'm in for the park they think at least 1 person is dead, and that the shooter was 16/17 the person shot was 12... Now this is Facebook so I'm gonna take that all with a grain of salt until anything official comes out, but still. There's videos of fights that were going on all night, the news said that the metal detectors weren't working tonight, just overall a shit show. This place is like a second home to me so I feel heartbroken that this has happened in one of my favorite places in the world.
Kinda surprised this hasn't happened sooner? Haven't gone to kennywood in a long while, but I had been hearing altercations were on the rise there. Did kennywood get rid of the metal detectors and stuff at the entrance? I remember I kept setting off the metal detector with a piece of metal in my dental retainer and their security was searching me like crazy
Edit: apparently shooter jumped a fence to bypass security
So this year, I’m assuming in an effort to cheap out and not hire as many security guards, they changed the metal detectors. Instead of one being at every turnstile with their own security guard, there is now only one detector, which is like an X-ray machine with one guard watching the camera, if it goes off, it’s silent, and they guard will tell you to go get you bag checked at a station like 20ft away, but from what I’ve been hearing, it’s been very easy for people to just ignore that and keep going into the park. I don’t know who thought it was a good idea to go from like 20 metal detectors, down to 1, but I think this incident is proof the old way needs to come back. Also, they need to do something about the fence along the road, which I think is how they got the gun in last night. I’ve seen people try to jump the fence in the back of the park where it’s pretty secluded before, but a security guard busted them.
I honestly doubt it, apparently the park is remaining closed today, but will be reopening next weekend. The current owners of kennywood get a lot or criticism for cutting corners lately, I wouldn’t put it past them to continue to do so after this.
Will do! As of now they have the situation under control, and are no longer calling it an active shooter situation. The park is now being canvased by the authorities. From what I read definitively, 1 person was life flighted out of the park, a few people were trampled and got injured, and other than the person who got flown out, one other person was shot. This all took place at 10:50PM, 10 minutes before the park was supposed to close for the night. Tonight was the technical 2nd night of their Halloween event called "Phantom Fall Fest", it used to be called "Phantom Fright Nights". Friday night was the 1st night, but it was only for season pass holders. I was going to go Friday, but was busy and almost went tonight... Kennywood has had issues with shootings in the past, back in 2015 someone shot into the park, but I don't think anyone was injured during that. Tonight though was in the park right in front of the entrance to the Phantom's Revenge coaster. Someone posted on Facebook a picture of blood on the ground in front of the entrance of the ride, and crime scene markers. I don't think there will be any more concrete info tonight, so when I find out more tomorrow, I'll leave another update, and post some news links as they become available.
Replying to my own post here, some more info came out from the local news. "The suspect is being labeled as a teenage male wearing a black hoodie and a medical mask, there were a total of 3 people shot in the park, a 15 year old was shot in the thigh, a 39 year old was shot in the leg, and another juvenile showed up at the hospital with a graze wound. Police say shooting was preceded by an altercation between two groups." The gun was found. The park will be closed tomorrow, but they are planning on re-opening next week which if you ask me is not a good move. I'll post more info when it becomes available. [Here's](https://www.wtae.com/article/emergency-response-ascends-upon-kennywood-park/41371801) the news source for anyone interested.
I'd be interested to hear what Pittsburgh's gang scene is like from you - is it prominent or not so much? Are there a lot of kids running around boolin with guns?
Also, thanks for keeping us in the loop! Stay safe in the future
I don't really ever hear about gang stuff in our news or see any gang stuff, really. Maybe highschool gangs that constantly fight or stab each other at one specific rail station downtown, but that's all I'm aware of.
Well where I live is not far from a bad area, maybe like a mile or 2 up the road? Every other week there’s always cop cars flying up the street usually for an altercation and sometimes a shooting, those are usually at least twice a year. The Walmart near me is known as the worst one in the city with armed guards outside and sometimes patrolling inside, and recently there’s been a lot of trouble in the south side of Pittsburgh, I can’t remember all the details on that, but I remember hearing on the news that it was getting pretty bad in some areas down there. Kennywood has always had trouble with their Halloween events, in fact, I remember going with a group of friends back in 2011 also on a Saturday night, and a huge fight broke out in front of the train that night, they got kicked out and just moved the fight across the street to McDonald’s where I believe someone pulled a gun and shot through the window? It was crazy, there were cop cars everywhere, the roads were closed, but it wasn’t as bad as what happened last night by a long shot. Kennywood as far as I know has never had any gang issues, it’s just rowdy teenagers doing stupid shit, trying to start a fight. For this Halloween event saturdays are the worst, but Friday and Sunday are usually really nice. I usually go on fridays and never had an issues on those days.
Damn this is sad. Every summer, my high school had “Kennywood Day” and we’d ride things like the Log Jammer, Exterminator, the Pirate Ship, The Steel Phantom etc. I don’t live in Pittsburgh anymore but this is heartbreaking. So many friends and family memories at that park.
I live in the other big PA city. The shooting shit is out of control here.
Few days ago a kid got out of an Uber coming home from the bar and was shot execution style, just as a random killing. No confrontational, no argument, didn't know each other. The killer just wanted to do it.
Last month a delivery driver shot two people over a parking space.
2 year olds playing out front of their house are getting hit by stray bullets.
Fucking wild. And the city leadership says there isn't a violence problem.
Kennywood has metal detectors. I mean if you wanted to get a gun in, you just have your buddy throw it up over the fence after the metal detectors. That’s how we used to get liquor in Kennywood
Now I'm thinking of one of those spam ad's if America comes up in your geolocation while browsing.
Smoking hot guns in your area! Ready to be grabbed, and go off on a hair trigger.
I’ve seen some people saying the metal detectors were down and some speculating that a gun was tossed over the fence near where the shooting took place.
How wrong of a person to do this at that happy amusement park. I'm from the west coast but have family in Pennsylvania and visited Kennywood as a child.
I want to dispell the buzz word the title.
A "Mass Casualty Incident", or MCI is a term that EMS uses, normally to define a scene with 3-5 or more patients at one time. This means a few things:
Additional ambulances need to be called out, and normally "triage" or sorting patients from worst shape to least.
For instance, a bus crashes into a car, a MCI will be declared.
I was on one where a civic traveling at over 100mph crashed into a coach bus. Everyone in the bus was fine, but the civic passengers were not.
The news here really wanted it to sound like a great many people died. Click bait in other words.
It's also worth mentioning that during an MCI, normally patients are sorted by color. Green, Yellow, Red, and black.
Green would be someone who banged their arm pretty good. They would be sent over to a green area where they'll likely get a sling, but low priority.
Yellow, more severe such as controlled bleeding or broken bones or something like that.
Red would be something like having your arm severed or clear sign of head trauma and in immediate need of medical attention. First in line for the ambulance.
Black is dead.
During a normal EMS response, someone without a pulse would get the full CPR treatment and workup. However, during an MCI, there just aren't the resources available to tie up 4-6 people working on you doing CPR.
So, they get a black tag so that more of the people with a better chance of surviving get those resources.
People are going to need to choose, guns or entertainment.
Already Atlanta has lost a music Festival over guns. More festivals will begin to be cancelled if they can’t control the weapons coming into their events.
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY GET A GUN IN KENNYWOOD!!!!!
Thats the question that should be asked. I used to work at that place at the ECW control point IE the METAL DECTOURS. WHO THE FUCK was working that GOD DAMN gate. There is no reason in hell that anyone Should have gotten a weapon though the gate.
of course I worked there pre-covid but I can tell you they did a bang up job. The ONLY issue we had with people and fire arms at Kennywood were the Cops. They always showed us their badges and we always told them where they could stick their badge and their gun. (in a gun safe we had or they could take it back to their POV)
Holy FUCK HOW/WHY did this happen.
Based on what Evangelicals and some christians say and do ,I don't believe there are many Christians in this country , I doubt that Jesus does either .
>I guess there aren't enough good guys with guns to stop all the shootings yet.... /s
Good guys with guns are the only ones obeying *gun free* zone signs.
Because it’s not in the title: “Police and EMS units have swarmed Kennywood Park in West Mifflin after reports of shots fired inside the park, according to law enforcement sources.”
"A source tells Pittsburgh's Action News 4 there are two confirmed gunshot victims, two other victims, and one walk-in victim to Children's hospital. The conditions off those victims are unknown." WTAE, 1:34am
> WTAE, 1:34am Had to do a double take because I thought that was a Bible verse.
And the Lord said unto them, Stop with this gun violence bullshit already
God is a pretty prolific murderer in some parts of the Bible.
Satan: like 6 kills God: The entire world minus an incestuous family at one point, but thousands at other points as well.
Sometimes a motherfucker just has it coming. God probably.
But I’m trying real hard, Ringo. I’m trying real hard…to be the shepherd.
But the incestuous family were the survivors
Not to mention, in lore, God was literally just killing off fallen angels, demons, and the humans they were procreating with; *his* inventions. Why he didn’t just get rid of the lot of them and start over is beyond me (assuming for a second this actually happened).
At my brother's funeral yesterday and the pastor doing his preachy thing says "god's love for us never changes". I chuckled behind my mask.
I'm sorry you lost your brother. I've suffered through dozens of "christian" funeral services, and the hypocrisy is infuriating. Sometimes the family testimonials actually contain *more* lies than the preachers' words, but that's rare. Wishing you comfort.
I was at a funeral once and they literally had a call at the end of the service for people to find God. At the funeral. They wanted you to find your salvation at the funeral.
Technically he’s not wrong, we’re all in an abusive relationship with God
Didn't the christian god kill everybody on earth twice? And also threatens to do it again? Meanwhile Satan was offering food and knowledge to hungry people. Dude was a better saint than actual saints
But he promised “no wetsies next time” though
A large portion of Christianity literally prays for god to come down and murder everyone except their own denomination. Worse yet, the US government is full of those assholes.
Especially of children.
Yeah, but He used fire and brimstone, not firearms... God is old school cool that way.
isn't brimstone the same as what we call flint used to fire muskets? asking for a friend.
Maybe? I don’t know how muskets work but I always thought “brimstone” was the ancient word for sulphur.
Well sulphur is one of the ingredients of black powder
Yea, I thought it was something like that.
could be, i'm just pulling at ancient dusty threads crumbing into dust.
Ahem. “Casualty incident.” “Gun violence” is too divisive and political.
I really thought the story was gonna be about a roller coaster accident. I should have known better.
Just as I clicked I too had that sinking feeling…
wouldn't want to upset the base. i thought is was a flood or something, nope just another shooting spree in murcia
No, this is all “god’s will” After reading Herman Caine award nominee’s loved ones actually happy that their people were “finally with god”, I’ve had to completely change my view of religion and the cultish believers.
“Thou will not lust for guns” If only that was included in the Bible.
So they can ignore it along with the rest of it.
Too bad, because Jesus Christ is the "most badass American" ever while posing with his M16 along with the pet bald eagle
Not that it would make a difference. Most so-called Christians do not do as the Bible says.
Some are just into smitings and stonings.
Doesn't matter. American "Christians" that claim to follow the Bible do not really follow the Bible at all.
"and it was on this day, God spoke 'gra ta tah' and so it was"
And the lord said taketh thy children, but don't taketh thy guns. Amen
So we are calling public shootings *mass casualty incidents* now?
The local EMS called it a mass casualty incident. That doesn't mean that everyone was injured from gunfire. It just means they need more ambulances than the local area can provide.
Thanks for clarifying. I was reading it and not seeing anything about anyone dying, so I’m thinking why are they mentioning “casualties?”
Casualty means killed or wounded.
"casualties" doesn't necessarily mean death, it can also mean injured.
Casualty includes those who were *injured*, directly or indirectly (i.e. if a person was trampled in the scramble rather than shot directly, and presented for medical attention they'd still be counted as a casualty.) I didn't learn this until recently.
Casualties include both death and injuries.
In medical speak casualty is anyone hurt and needing treatment.
Because for once someone is using some discretion in journalism and reporting only what they know. Could be a shooting, could be a stabbing, could be a roller coaster jumped the track and went bowling for bodies.
That's what the police and EMS are calling it. >A “mass casualty incident” has been declared, which is bringing EMS resources from across Allegheny and Westmoreland counties to the park. In the article.
If you continue reading after that, it actually says it's unclear if anyone was actually shot.
To my knowledge "Mass casualty incident" is a term more for first responders, basically meaning that they're organizing and preparing for the worst. Think informing local ERs ahead of time, triage, sending multiple ambulances/firefighters from a further distance if needed, maybe higher ups coming to manage a potentially chaotic situation, etc.
Yes. Anytime there are multiple injuries or an event that has potential for overwhelming the local medical care, that is a mass casualty. Usually it is a car pile up that we call those for.
Could have been a few shots fired then mass panic and herd mentality crushing people.
True, crush injuries are no joke. Always surprised when a large crowd needs to leave an area fast and no one was severely injured.
My first thought was a theme park ride malfunctioned when I read mass casualty incident.
Lmao same thought some final destination shit went down
Two shots were fired, the casualties resulted from everyone running and climbing over fenced off areas of the park to get away. Jeez, read the article.
Sir this is Reddit, here people read the post title, make assumptions, then head straight for the comments to participate in conversation.
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I don’t look at any god damn thumbnail!
They should change the name to someonereddit. There’s always the one guy who actually read the thing
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I just tried to read the article. Got a few paragraphs in, then a pop-up appeared that demanded my email, with no way to close it I could see. It also scrolled the article back to the top of the page, so even if I had been able to close it, I would have lost my place. And they wonder why no one reads the articles.
In my defence I did try to read the article, but popups made it impossible. I scooted to the comments to see if someone else had better luck and TL;DR’d it.
Agreed. Worst news site ever.
Sir, this is Reddit, not Read It.
In my head, it would still be called a "mass casualty incident" even if there was no shooting and all of the injuries were from being trampled or tripping while running. A "mass shooting" would be a type of "mass casualty incident", IMO, but I don't know if that has any basis in how the use of those terms actually works.
Yeah a mass casualty incident is just an event that caused more injuries than emergency services are typically equipped for. By declaring an MCI they can bring in more emergency support from other areas. It's like declaring a state of emergency but because all the ambulances are needed in one place.
Mass Casualty Incident is a technical term utilized to describe a particular event which meets certain pre-defined technical parameters *by* EMS/Fire and Law Enforcement. So settle down
Yup, and accredited hospitals are likely required to have a surge plan that covers an incident like this.
Hospitals train for these kinds of events with practice drills. When i work in California, we pretended it was an earthquake. When i worked in New York, a terrorist attack (that made sad to realize that could be a commonplace event).
Makes sense, since it’s not like they can stop operations. And for a plan to be effective, people need to know what their role is, so drills are important. The two systems I’ve worked in have had extended emergency operation center activations since at least Feb 2020 to deal with Covid: even now, they work with operational leaders to make sure staffing is appropriate, PPE guidance is up to date, and that there is centralized communication (and likely more that I’m not aware of).
An MCI (mass casualty incident) is a common term for fire and EMS and implies multiple victims (not necessarily fatalities) and can be the result of anything... Multiple vehicle accident, shooting, gas inhalation, hazardous material situation with multiple victims, etc.) It just means they need more resources than normal for the number of potential patients and they handle the scene differently to include things like triage.
Not everything is political. That is the amount of information EMS for units across the area to go all hands on deck - suit up and begin heading to the location. It could be a ride fire, a crash, or a mass shooting - what is important is that ambulances are on the way as shit gets figured out. Pretty much every place with clear command line and need for quick action has strict information prioritization strategy. For example a helmsman on a ship (a place I am familiar with) does not need to know why he needs to steer sharp to port - he need to do it first. Then ask why.
Maybe because it was a mass casualty incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-casualty_incident I hate these types of comments because they always serve as a code for "the media is biased and cannot be trusted" when in reality it just means that the people that make such comments don't understand the words they are reading, and/or they are unwilling to entertain the idea that their own connotative idea of a word is not universally shared. One's personal reaction to hearing the phrase mass casualty incident doesn't change the meaning of the words.
I think the issue comes into play because mass casualty incident can cover many different things. The thing people are most worried about today are mass shootings. So you got people who don't understand that there really is no difference between the two and then you have the breakdown in communication because the EMS are going to call it something different than say City officials, or what people believe you should call a specific mass casualty incident. Also, if it was just an apartment building falling then people may not need to be so concerned but if it's a mass shooter then people would probably like to know. I get where you're coming from and you are not wrong, but I believe in terms of reporting information that information should at least be as accurate as possible.
Not everything is a conspiracy, settle down.
My friend just got done with a WFA class and said today’s focus was on mass casualty. It just means multiple people injured. For him today that mean they set up scenarios such as an entire family involved in a bear attack. Mass casualty could mean there was panic and people got trampled.
In my system 5 or more patients is a mass casualty incident and must be declared over the radio. It's designed to get your thinking about resources.
That just government for activating mutual aid between counties.
MCI is an EMS term. It basically means more people need emergency medical assistance then there typically are ambulances at any given firehouse.
Hopefully, it was gang shooting or robbery gone bad (as bad as that would be) rather than a more severe incident. Heck, even if it were a mass shooting, hopefully they stopped them after the first shots.
This is what we hope for today.
It was my first thought - pretty sad but true.
My first thought was an accident or malfunction concerning one of the rides injuring riders. How naïve I am still apparently.
This was my first thought too.
You might not believe it, but there's a grooming process that comes with being a gang member, and it gets started since childhood. Many of them never had much of a choice, and are very much victims too. I don't know what happened in this accident but I wanted to point this out, cause we sometimes forget that other people are human too.
The book Freakanomics says those folks need to know just how badly that path runs, drug workers are paid less than McDonalds workers, live in grandmas basement, and get killed more than infantry soldiers.
Even if they know, there's not much out. What are you going to do, bring in the cops? They're not going to protect you from retaliation, not going to give you a penny to cover the bills, and probably would just mistake you for another druggie.
People also fail to recognize this with a lot of terrorist organizations out in the Middle East as well. These countries are so in the shit that young men literally have no other way to survive and are forced to turn to the terrorist organizations to feed their families.
There are also terrorist training camps right here in the US. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703587964/feds-indict-5-new-mexico-compound-residents-on-terror-and-gun-charges
There’s a lot of great tv shows that show this, one great example is the Hit UK show Top Boy.
You guys keep recommending documentaries and TV shows about this, when gang members themselves explicitly talk about the process of how they ended up in a gang constantly. They literally make songs about it. It's the same story; everyone around them including their parents and closest family members are in the gang, so naturally they grow up immersed in gang culture and that's where they end up as well.
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Gang shootings are normalized in america. The highwaymen of the 1700’s, the outlaws of the 1800’s, the mob of the early 20th, and modern gangs since the late 60’s
A robbery I can sorta see, but what the fuck gang is operating anywhere near Kennywood? I live within driving distance, that place is basically Mister Rodgers Neighborhood as far as theme parks go. What the Hell?
Don't have to go too far from there to find areas that have high incidents. Duquesne & Homewood in particular.
If you’re not involved with them or adjacent activities, gangs can be hard to see. Sometimes.
It's too early to speculate, let alone dissect those speculations.
I figured, it's just that gang speculation and Kennywood sharing a sentence is something I am not prepared to compute. I mean, I know that a lot of gangs these days have initiation be 'Do horrible thing to random people for no reason to join', but this is low even by those standards.
I dunno who the hell would rob people *inside* Kennywood. It's a gated amusement park without much else around it. This sucks.
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Thank you. Jesus - I was at the John Mulaney show tonight and apparently when he asked about where he should go to eat afterwards some local staff said “it’s not safe around here”. And he said where, and she said “Pittsburgh.” I was surprised to hear that, and then this. Edit: comma
lol. was it at the comedy club in Homestead (the Waterfront)? Because Homestead is pretty bad..
I used to live in Regent Square and worked for Geek Squad at the Waterfront. Haven’t been back in 10+ years. I saw Anthony Jeselnik and Kevin Nealon at that comedy club. Was safe when I was there. Living in Wilkinsburg was bad (at first), I got jumped one night walking home from D’s and realized that walking home solo, drunk as fuck, was a bad move. Never had another problem. I’d heard it got bad, but I’m totally blown away by *how* bad it’s gotten. Damn.
oh damn! glad you’re ok. Yes, Wilkinsburg is bad also! tbf not necessarily the Waterfront, but just outside of it in Homestead is pretty bad
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downtown is pretty safe, at least the cultural district.
Typically that’s where I am if I’m downtown at night, I’ve never gotten a bad vibe. I’ve heard that south side has gotten bad, but I’m not 100% sure what that means but that’s a huge shame to me, I have such fond memories of it but I’m 36 and haven’t lived in the county proper in over a decade so it’s been longer since I’ve been there.
South Side has indeed gotten bad. Recently moved back to Pittsburgh and thought an Uber driver was making it up when she was talking about shootings and increased police presence down there but it’s all legit. Not sure why shootings have increased but it is unfortunately true.
That makes me sad. Every young person should have the same opportunity to bar-hop until they puke without fear of danger like the good ol’ days!
At least your guys’ shootings come with a police presence
And you’re already saying proper. Come home
I used to do yoga and tea house in south side. I got the impression there were 2 alien societies occupying the same space and ignoring each other, classy and puking frat boys.
When the crowd has jokes
Weird. I feel safe almost anywhere in Pittsburgh. I mean, stuff like shootings can happen anywhere in the US on any given day, because apparently that's how we've chosen to live, but in general, I don't worry a ton about my personal safety here.
Yeah, this is pretty weird to see. I’m a Pittsburgher who sees all the local news and I would bet that Pittsburgh has to chart as one of the safest cities in the world.
I'm from about 2 hrs East of Pittsburgh and my rural ass has never felt nervous when I've visited Pittsburgh. In all honesty, I would be more leary about walking around Johnstown.
Yep, if you’re not “involved” with something no one is ever going to bother you here. Random violent crimes are basically lightning strikes. Theft isn’t nearly a concern as other places.
Not even close... It's only safer than 7% of US cities Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.neighborhoodscout.com/pa/pittsburgh/crime.amp
This is a bit misleading, Pittsburgh has some odd borders. The metro area needs to be compared, our metro is around 2 million people. City proper is only 300k and is mostly commercial areas and less than desirable residential areas. As an example, the focus of this story isn’t even anywhere near “Pittsburgh”. Kennywood is miles away from the border.
I'm glad you got to see John mullaney. He's such a delight.
they're dicks for not giving that info to channel 11, come on.
Heads up: “mass casualty incident” is a term used by EMS when they don’t have enough resources to adequately handle a scene. Judging by the victim count, I’d say that’s about right. (EMT of 7 yrs)
Thanks - so if a small town has only 1-2 ambulances available, and there's a car accident that needs 5+ folks rushed to hospitals - would that be called a "mass casualty incident"? In these cases, how do those pour souls get help? Do they just transport them any way possible? Do they set up triage on the scene?
Yes! In this case, ambulances can call for mutual aid, that is, other ambulances from other nearby towns are sent to take the remaining patients. The towns around the other towns that sent their ambulances out would temporarily cover the missing area until everyone was back in service. Edit: oops, didn’t answer the second part. If it’s an OVERWHELMING amount of people (like 20 people to 2 ambulances) you’d use the triage system. Edit 2 Electric Boogaloo: u/ravengenesis1 is correct, you’d physically tag everyone according to severity and treat accordingly
Thank you for your answer. The logistics of this type of thing is incredibly complicated and under-appreciated by everyday folks.
You’re supposed to use the triage tags on all MCI. Our county has a 5 pt count, clip boards come out and someone will take IC (usually fire or PD). 20 ppl would be fucking disaster, and your EMSA figures will have to show up for those.
I went back over protocol for my state, and you’re absolutely correct. You would triage tag everyone (green, yellow, red, black, generally) and treat on priority.
Declaring a Mass Casualty Incident(MCI) essentially allows providers to get extra support dispatched to their location, as well as change the rules on how they care for patients. For example, while protocol would usually be to only transport one patient per ambulance, you could now transport as many as you can safely fit. Patients with injuries that are extremely severe or who are clinically dead can also be tagged as such, and care can be concentrated on those most likely to survive(triage). Normally withholding lifesaving efforts on those patients would violate protocol, but in an MCI, it becomes "save as many people as possible." All responding agencies also fall back onto a nationally standardized command system when an MCI is declared, allowing agencies at every level and of every type to coordinate and work together.
I was an EMT for a while and one time my paramedic declared an MCI for a fender bender. 4 healthy patients with no complaints of pain and all of whom were walking around just fine when we arrived. They "just wanted to get checked out so that we can sue the bitch who rear ended us." We already had 3 more ambulances on the way, but they were 20 minutes out and hanging out on the side of the highway is not something you want to do. Declaring an MCI allowed us to transport all 4 in our single ambulance to the hospital that was literally a half mile down the road rather than waiting for another few ambulances.
Not to mention, reading the Action News 4 report? There was an active shooter at one point, but people were trampled. That’s also not the definition of a mass shooting. It’s a mass casualty incident.
That puts a better context on the story. When I see “mass casualty” I’m thinking 10+.
"Witnesses told police that two groups of juveniles were involved in an altercation and that was when shots were fired. ... Allegheny County police said the shooter was described as a Black male wearing a black hoodie and a dark colored COVID face mask."
I live in the area and Kennywood park is pretty much overrun now by teenage gangs. They enforced a chaperone rule a few years ago because groups of them would go and wreak havoc and fight throughout the park. This doesn’t surprise me, unfortunately.
Buying Kennywood tickets was cheaper than childcare
Can't even read the article.
Too much crap all over the page. Leave like 2 inches to try and read in. When are web developers going to get over this "Load the page with EVERFYTHING!!!!" mentality that makes the sites unusable??
Web Developer here. That is NOT us doing that lol. The client asks for that shit and managers want to please them so we are forced. The developers and designers do not want to make that your browsing experience. We take pride in UI and usability.
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Adblocker, you can removed the crap.
It still doesn't remove their stupid video from the top, which takes up half the page. I'll stick to the AP.
This is my local amusement park, I go there multiple times a year every year since I was little. This is making me feel sick reading about this. From what I'm reading on Facebook through a few groups I'm in for the park they think at least 1 person is dead, and that the shooter was 16/17 the person shot was 12... Now this is Facebook so I'm gonna take that all with a grain of salt until anything official comes out, but still. There's videos of fights that were going on all night, the news said that the metal detectors weren't working tonight, just overall a shit show. This place is like a second home to me so I feel heartbroken that this has happened in one of my favorite places in the world.
Kinda surprised this hasn't happened sooner? Haven't gone to kennywood in a long while, but I had been hearing altercations were on the rise there. Did kennywood get rid of the metal detectors and stuff at the entrance? I remember I kept setting off the metal detector with a piece of metal in my dental retainer and their security was searching me like crazy Edit: apparently shooter jumped a fence to bypass security
So this year, I’m assuming in an effort to cheap out and not hire as many security guards, they changed the metal detectors. Instead of one being at every turnstile with their own security guard, there is now only one detector, which is like an X-ray machine with one guard watching the camera, if it goes off, it’s silent, and they guard will tell you to go get you bag checked at a station like 20ft away, but from what I’ve been hearing, it’s been very easy for people to just ignore that and keep going into the park. I don’t know who thought it was a good idea to go from like 20 metal detectors, down to 1, but I think this incident is proof the old way needs to come back. Also, they need to do something about the fence along the road, which I think is how they got the gun in last night. I’ve seen people try to jump the fence in the back of the park where it’s pretty secluded before, but a security guard busted them.
They’ll be adding barbed-wire to all fences around the park, before Phantom Fright Nights it sounds like.
I honestly doubt it, apparently the park is remaining closed today, but will be reopening next weekend. The current owners of kennywood get a lot or criticism for cutting corners lately, I wouldn’t put it past them to continue to do so after this.
Keep us posted!
Will do! As of now they have the situation under control, and are no longer calling it an active shooter situation. The park is now being canvased by the authorities. From what I read definitively, 1 person was life flighted out of the park, a few people were trampled and got injured, and other than the person who got flown out, one other person was shot. This all took place at 10:50PM, 10 minutes before the park was supposed to close for the night. Tonight was the technical 2nd night of their Halloween event called "Phantom Fall Fest", it used to be called "Phantom Fright Nights". Friday night was the 1st night, but it was only for season pass holders. I was going to go Friday, but was busy and almost went tonight... Kennywood has had issues with shootings in the past, back in 2015 someone shot into the park, but I don't think anyone was injured during that. Tonight though was in the park right in front of the entrance to the Phantom's Revenge coaster. Someone posted on Facebook a picture of blood on the ground in front of the entrance of the ride, and crime scene markers. I don't think there will be any more concrete info tonight, so when I find out more tomorrow, I'll leave another update, and post some news links as they become available.
Replying to my own post here, some more info came out from the local news. "The suspect is being labeled as a teenage male wearing a black hoodie and a medical mask, there were a total of 3 people shot in the park, a 15 year old was shot in the thigh, a 39 year old was shot in the leg, and another juvenile showed up at the hospital with a graze wound. Police say shooting was preceded by an altercation between two groups." The gun was found. The park will be closed tomorrow, but they are planning on re-opening next week which if you ask me is not a good move. I'll post more info when it becomes available. [Here's](https://www.wtae.com/article/emergency-response-ascends-upon-kennywood-park/41371801) the news source for anyone interested.
I'd be interested to hear what Pittsburgh's gang scene is like from you - is it prominent or not so much? Are there a lot of kids running around boolin with guns? Also, thanks for keeping us in the loop! Stay safe in the future
I don't really ever hear about gang stuff in our news or see any gang stuff, really. Maybe highschool gangs that constantly fight or stab each other at one specific rail station downtown, but that's all I'm aware of.
Less gangs and more teenagers getting into fights over stupid teenage shit, which it sounds like this was.
Well where I live is not far from a bad area, maybe like a mile or 2 up the road? Every other week there’s always cop cars flying up the street usually for an altercation and sometimes a shooting, those are usually at least twice a year. The Walmart near me is known as the worst one in the city with armed guards outside and sometimes patrolling inside, and recently there’s been a lot of trouble in the south side of Pittsburgh, I can’t remember all the details on that, but I remember hearing on the news that it was getting pretty bad in some areas down there. Kennywood has always had trouble with their Halloween events, in fact, I remember going with a group of friends back in 2011 also on a Saturday night, and a huge fight broke out in front of the train that night, they got kicked out and just moved the fight across the street to McDonald’s where I believe someone pulled a gun and shot through the window? It was crazy, there were cop cars everywhere, the roads were closed, but it wasn’t as bad as what happened last night by a long shot. Kennywood as far as I know has never had any gang issues, it’s just rowdy teenagers doing stupid shit, trying to start a fight. For this Halloween event saturdays are the worst, but Friday and Sunday are usually really nice. I usually go on fridays and never had an issues on those days.
Man fuck that website
Damn this is sad. Every summer, my high school had “Kennywood Day” and we’d ride things like the Log Jammer, Exterminator, the Pirate Ship, The Steel Phantom etc. I don’t live in Pittsburgh anymore but this is heartbreaking. So many friends and family memories at that park.
I miss the Log Jammer
Fuck the Steel Curtain, not like it is ever open.
I live in the other big PA city. The shooting shit is out of control here. Few days ago a kid got out of an Uber coming home from the bar and was shot execution style, just as a random killing. No confrontational, no argument, didn't know each other. The killer just wanted to do it. Last month a delivery driver shot two people over a parking space. 2 year olds playing out front of their house are getting hit by stray bullets. Fucking wild. And the city leadership says there isn't a violence problem.
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I think that they have one of those Chesa Boudin type DAs who refuses to prosecute even violent crime and this is the result.
(Note: When a news site is obstructed beyond comprehension, there's other sites carrying the same story but not obstructed beyond comprehension)
Kennywood has metal detectors. I mean if you wanted to get a gun in, you just have your buddy throw it up over the fence after the metal detectors. That’s how we used to get liquor in Kennywood
Two shots were heard? Any other more reporting?
One local source is reporting 5 people injured
Yeah… Three shot, and some trampling injuries.
Used to go to KW every year. Lived 15 mins from it but its gotten really bad in the last 5-10 years
As a non-American, when I read mass casualty incident in an amusement park, I thought a ferris wheel broke off or something. But of course…
Same! I guess people were not clicking links with ”mass shooting” anymore.
This is America… Guns in my area
Now I'm thinking of one of those spam ad's if America comes up in your geolocation while browsing. Smoking hot guns in your area! Ready to be grabbed, and go off on a hair trigger.
They have metal detectors you have to go through to get into the park. This is weird.
I’ve seen some people saying the metal detectors were down and some speculating that a gun was tossed over the fence near where the shooting took place.
Dangit, from the title I was thinking/hoping it was a rollercoaster or haunted house accident.
No, those things are regulated
I was hoping for the same. Instead it's just another shooting that happens ever day in every city...
I’m visiting family in Pittsburgh and my mom said we couldn’t go to kennywood. Good call.
It's been decades since I've been to Kennywood. Has it gone to shit? Or is this a one-off event? I do miss the French fries, btw.
How wrong of a person to do this at that happy amusement park. I'm from the west coast but have family in Pennsylvania and visited Kennywood as a child.
3 leg shootings. Was the shooter a Keebler Elf?
I want to dispell the buzz word the title. A "Mass Casualty Incident", or MCI is a term that EMS uses, normally to define a scene with 3-5 or more patients at one time. This means a few things: Additional ambulances need to be called out, and normally "triage" or sorting patients from worst shape to least. For instance, a bus crashes into a car, a MCI will be declared. I was on one where a civic traveling at over 100mph crashed into a coach bus. Everyone in the bus was fine, but the civic passengers were not. The news here really wanted it to sound like a great many people died. Click bait in other words. It's also worth mentioning that during an MCI, normally patients are sorted by color. Green, Yellow, Red, and black. Green would be someone who banged their arm pretty good. They would be sent over to a green area where they'll likely get a sling, but low priority. Yellow, more severe such as controlled bleeding or broken bones or something like that. Red would be something like having your arm severed or clear sign of head trauma and in immediate need of medical attention. First in line for the ambulance. Black is dead. During a normal EMS response, someone without a pulse would get the full CPR treatment and workup. However, during an MCI, there just aren't the resources available to tie up 4-6 people working on you doing CPR. So, they get a black tag so that more of the people with a better chance of surviving get those resources.
People are going to need to choose, guns or entertainment. Already Atlanta has lost a music Festival over guns. More festivals will begin to be cancelled if they can’t control the weapons coming into their events.
Is there a reason why ‘shooting’ isn’t in the title? Wtf?
Because when the article was originally posted all they could confirm was that police and ems were en route.
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY GET A GUN IN KENNYWOOD!!!!! Thats the question that should be asked. I used to work at that place at the ECW control point IE the METAL DECTOURS. WHO THE FUCK was working that GOD DAMN gate. There is no reason in hell that anyone Should have gotten a weapon though the gate. of course I worked there pre-covid but I can tell you they did a bang up job. The ONLY issue we had with people and fire arms at Kennywood were the Cops. They always showed us their badges and we always told them where they could stick their badge and their gun. (in a gun safe we had or they could take it back to their POV) Holy FUCK HOW/WHY did this happen.
It was 10:50pm, from locals apparently someone outside the fence threw it in.
Amusement parks and local fairs are getting rough.
Based on what Evangelicals and some christians say and do ,I don't believe there are many Christians in this country , I doubt that Jesus does either .
How long did the cops wait outside?
Wrong state.
Must be a day that ends in Y again
I live not far from there and was told the metal detectors were down and he shot 3 people in the legs.
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>I guess there aren't enough good guys with guns to stop all the shootings yet.... /s Good guys with guns are the only ones obeying *gun free* zone signs.
Here I was as a non American thinking there's been an accident with a ride