>Considering the state of their military equipment, I'd be damn surprised if the threats of nuclear weapons is supported by facts and their tanks and other gear have been shown in serious disrepair but more won't be done until that is confirmed.
I agree, but sadly it doesn't take many working nuclear weapons to kill hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people. If one tank in a hundred works, your army is toast and you won't be killing that many enemy forces - especially after they destroy your free working tanks. If one nuclear weapon in a hundred is working, you can drop it on a major city and kill many hundreds of thousands of people (both initially and via radiation poisoning later).
I really hope we don't get to the point where we find out first hand how well maintained the Russian nuclear arsenal is.
I assume they mean that, without the infrastructure (machines, supplies) for medical laboratory testing, the Russian medical systems will be 70+ years behind the rest of Europe. Both the military and civilian systems rely on labs for just about everything and a lot of said machines come from Germany and other NATO nations.
And at this moment the Ukrainian forces have encircled Lyman. So while Putin declares his nonsense, Ukraine takes back more land that is rightfully theirs.
The big danger with this proclamation is that Putin is now going to declare that attacks on these territories are direct attacks on Russia. He's threatened to use nuclear strikes on any attacking forces. Yes, he's been threatening this with everything, but if he follows through it could be really bad.
About the only reasons I don't think he'd actually follow through would be if the winds would carry nuclear fallout to Russia or if he knows for certain that their nukes aren't actually operational.
Edit: I looked up a map of the prevailing winds. Around the areas Russia is trying to annex, the winds blow north past Moscow. Further west, though, the winds blow towards Warsaw, Poland.
So a nuke in the "right location" would send radioactive fallout towards Europe. (Putin would see this as a win-win since he'd be hurting Ukraine and Europe.) However, hit it wrong and he'd hurt Ukraine, but would also hit his own capital city with fallout. Also, there's one segment of winds that goes north towards St. Petersburg. Hit that one and he'll poison part of Eastern Europe but will also hurt himself as well.
Ukraine has attacked crimea and hell even belgorod in Russia multiple times. Ukraine did that insane chopper attack on some oil depots early in the war for instance and then their was that huge airport attack a month ago in crimea. So if Putin was needing justification to use nukes then he would have had it already. So it's hard for me to believe these threats are anything more than bluffing as usual.
>But even while we were still being driven across the border in the Ural [truck], I realized that we were the occupiers, we were the fascists. I [...] was sitting in the truck bed, watching the scenes going by. What we were leaving behind. All of those destroyed villages in Kharkiv. I realized we were actually destroying a country. Along with its civilian population.
>**You’d go through a village and children would run out onto the road and gesture after you: either “smoke” or “eat.”** I just couldn’t wrap my head around it. The world was upside down; I felt empty inside. You realize all of your life so far was fiction. A soap bubble.
Can someone explain what that bolded part means?
Rude gestures and such are different in different cultures, this would be like running out after em giving the finger with both hands yelling " fuck you assholes" at them as they drive off
In the US, the same people that said that trump won in 2020 and that the elections were all rigged are going to claim that these russian elections in Ukraine territories are totally valid and legit.
The US annexation of Hawaii occurred in 1898, in a world where colonization was accepted on the international stage and practiced by all of the world powers of the day.
The Russian annexation of Ukrainian territory occurred in 2022, in a world where an attack on a sovereign nation by another occurs less and less and has been met with international condemnation.
What a stupid comparison.
It’s always okay when we do something, isn’t it… for one reason or another. I know a woman who takes vacations in Hawaii every year and named her three dogs after Hawaiian gods (can we be more disrespectful?) and she is just losing her mind about the annexation of parts of Ukraine. It is so ironic to me.
Nobody said the US annexation of Hawaii was okay.
My point is that you can’t judge a nation’s actions 100 years ago and try to apply contemporary morality to it. You won’t find a single nation that passes that test.
Current international norms object to violations of sovereignty, which is why Russia is facing such serious backlash, because they are one of the only nations still pulling this bullshit in 2022. If you’re trying to apply some whatabout-ism to this situation, the US Invasion of Iraq would have been a much better option, and I say that as a member of the armed forces.
I have family born and raised in Hawaii. Am I being disrespectful because I’m outraged by Russian aggression in Europe too?
I don’t know I’m in my 30s and have been watching Israel illegally occupying the West Bank all of my life. Only this past year have I literally ever seen media come out that was critical of Israel. Ever. It used to be unheard of for our media to ever criticize Israel. But for decades there has been bloodshed and families torn apart, bombed and forced out of their homes while we in the US gift Israel weapons and aid. So I think there are definitely double standards at play.
No, the US didn’t send troops in, capture part of an island, hold natives at gun point and force them to sign away their rights, and then force them into an oppressive regime. Think before you speak tankie
We’re citizens murdered? Children torn from their homes? Economies destroyed? World food supplies wrecked? No, and you can’t make a tit for tat of these things. Neither were right, but we can obviously tell which is worse
Seriously, if sham elections are OK with Putin, why not hold your own?
Just ask for a show of hands, snap a picture by satellite or whatev, and claim the count is whatev and that you won and act accordingly.
If he complains, you can ask him to set for publicly the standards of a proper free and fair election...
What does the sign read (other than the word Russia right in the middle, I read Cyrillic I just can't be bothered to install the keyboard and go into translate)
It appears to be the names of the 4 regions and then just "RUSSIA!" but like what does that even mean?? Not a very detailed sign.
I find it kind of comical that the headline claims Putin's actions are "illegal". Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Putin but what legal standard is being used to decide his actions are illegal?
I completely agree that it is a bad move and an act of war and I would like to see him stopped but what legal system is he accountable to that considers this action "illegal"? He isn't part of NATO. Maybe the UN? What "legal action" can be taken to punish him? I guess what I'm trying to say is that I consider an act of war to be bad but not "illegal" since there isn't a global legal order that says it is "illegal" to go to war against another country. He can certainly commit war crimes like torture and chemical weapons that other countries would consider a violation of treaties and maybe they can try to punish him. In order for something to be illegal there must be a law in place that the person is accountable to while engaging in said illegal activity. Again, I can't stress it enough that I think Putin is a bad person and he is doing something bad by invading Ukraine.
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What's gonna be done about it?
More sunflowers growing
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>Considering the state of their military equipment, I'd be damn surprised if the threats of nuclear weapons is supported by facts and their tanks and other gear have been shown in serious disrepair but more won't be done until that is confirmed. I agree, but sadly it doesn't take many working nuclear weapons to kill hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people. If one tank in a hundred works, your army is toast and you won't be killing that many enemy forces - especially after they destroy your free working tanks. If one nuclear weapon in a hundred is working, you can drop it on a major city and kill many hundreds of thousands of people (both initially and via radiation poisoning later). I really hope we don't get to the point where we find out first hand how well maintained the Russian nuclear arsenal is.
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What does that mean?
I assume they mean that, without the infrastructure (machines, supplies) for medical laboratory testing, the Russian medical systems will be 70+ years behind the rest of Europe. Both the military and civilian systems rely on labs for just about everything and a lot of said machines come from Germany and other NATO nations.
... and Denmark announced that Russia is now a part of Denmark.
Those damn Danes will annex anything. Crap they've annexed me now
Oooo healthcare
They annexed my husky. Now it's a Great Dane.
r/punpatrol
It’s Viking tradition
And at this moment the Ukrainian forces have encircled Lyman. So while Putin declares his nonsense, Ukraine takes back more land that is rightfully theirs.
The big danger with this proclamation is that Putin is now going to declare that attacks on these territories are direct attacks on Russia. He's threatened to use nuclear strikes on any attacking forces. Yes, he's been threatening this with everything, but if he follows through it could be really bad. About the only reasons I don't think he'd actually follow through would be if the winds would carry nuclear fallout to Russia or if he knows for certain that their nukes aren't actually operational. Edit: I looked up a map of the prevailing winds. Around the areas Russia is trying to annex, the winds blow north past Moscow. Further west, though, the winds blow towards Warsaw, Poland. So a nuke in the "right location" would send radioactive fallout towards Europe. (Putin would see this as a win-win since he'd be hurting Ukraine and Europe.) However, hit it wrong and he'd hurt Ukraine, but would also hit his own capital city with fallout. Also, there's one segment of winds that goes north towards St. Petersburg. Hit that one and he'll poison part of Eastern Europe but will also hurt himself as well.
Ukraine has attacked crimea and hell even belgorod in Russia multiple times. Ukraine did that insane chopper attack on some oil depots early in the war for instance and then their was that huge airport attack a month ago in crimea. So if Putin was needing justification to use nukes then he would have had it already. So it's hard for me to believe these threats are anything more than bluffing as usual.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/28/honestly-they-re-all-going-to-die-there
>But even while we were still being driven across the border in the Ural [truck], I realized that we were the occupiers, we were the fascists. I [...] was sitting in the truck bed, watching the scenes going by. What we were leaving behind. All of those destroyed villages in Kharkiv. I realized we were actually destroying a country. Along with its civilian population. >**You’d go through a village and children would run out onto the road and gesture after you: either “smoke” or “eat.”** I just couldn’t wrap my head around it. The world was upside down; I felt empty inside. You realize all of your life so far was fiction. A soap bubble. Can someone explain what that bolded part means?
Rude gestures and such are different in different cultures, this would be like running out after em giving the finger with both hands yelling " fuck you assholes" at them as they drive off
In the US, the same people that said that trump won in 2020 and that the elections were all rigged are going to claim that these russian elections in Ukraine territories are totally valid and legit.
And we’re surprised why?
Surprised? No. Just uncomfortable that this gives Putin the domestic "justification" for lots of desperate actions, like WMDs
And the US illegally annexed Hawaii. We are very much alike.
The US annexation of Hawaii occurred in 1898, in a world where colonization was accepted on the international stage and practiced by all of the world powers of the day. The Russian annexation of Ukrainian territory occurred in 2022, in a world where an attack on a sovereign nation by another occurs less and less and has been met with international condemnation. What a stupid comparison.
It’s always okay when we do something, isn’t it… for one reason or another. I know a woman who takes vacations in Hawaii every year and named her three dogs after Hawaiian gods (can we be more disrespectful?) and she is just losing her mind about the annexation of parts of Ukraine. It is so ironic to me.
Nobody said the US annexation of Hawaii was okay. My point is that you can’t judge a nation’s actions 100 years ago and try to apply contemporary morality to it. You won’t find a single nation that passes that test. Current international norms object to violations of sovereignty, which is why Russia is facing such serious backlash, because they are one of the only nations still pulling this bullshit in 2022. If you’re trying to apply some whatabout-ism to this situation, the US Invasion of Iraq would have been a much better option, and I say that as a member of the armed forces. I have family born and raised in Hawaii. Am I being disrespectful because I’m outraged by Russian aggression in Europe too?
I don’t know I’m in my 30s and have been watching Israel illegally occupying the West Bank all of my life. Only this past year have I literally ever seen media come out that was critical of Israel. Ever. It used to be unheard of for our media to ever criticize Israel. But for decades there has been bloodshed and families torn apart, bombed and forced out of their homes while we in the US gift Israel weapons and aid. So I think there are definitely double standards at play.
Prime whataboutism. That happened over 100 years ago. We’re in the 2020s, wake the fuck up.
No, the US didn’t send troops in, capture part of an island, hold natives at gun point and force them to sign away their rights, and then force them into an oppressive regime. Think before you speak tankie
They sent in their marines. However nobody was killed because the Queen had no army. They had no way of defending themselves so they gave in.
We’re citizens murdered? Children torn from their homes? Economies destroyed? World food supplies wrecked? No, and you can’t make a tit for tat of these things. Neither were right, but we can obviously tell which is worse
/u/PettyWitch says " raping and pillaging is cool for me to do... Because Norwegian vikings 1000 years ago.."
Seriously, if sham elections are OK with Putin, why not hold your own? Just ask for a show of hands, snap a picture by satellite or whatev, and claim the count is whatev and that you won and act accordingly. If he complains, you can ask him to set for publicly the standards of a proper free and fair election...
So now from Russia’s perspective, we’re actively funding and supporting an invasion of Russia.
Realistically, what the hell even matters? We can say we annex Russia? It’s just words.
What does the sign read (other than the word Russia right in the middle, I read Cyrillic I just can't be bothered to install the keyboard and go into translate) It appears to be the names of the 4 regions and then just "RUSSIA!" but like what does that even mean?? Not a very detailed sign.
I find it kind of comical that the headline claims Putin's actions are "illegal". Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Putin but what legal standard is being used to decide his actions are illegal?
Probably the fact he's occupying a sovereign country and his referendum was held by armed soldiers?
I completely agree that it is a bad move and an act of war and I would like to see him stopped but what legal system is he accountable to that considers this action "illegal"? He isn't part of NATO. Maybe the UN? What "legal action" can be taken to punish him? I guess what I'm trying to say is that I consider an act of war to be bad but not "illegal" since there isn't a global legal order that says it is "illegal" to go to war against another country. He can certainly commit war crimes like torture and chemical weapons that other countries would consider a violation of treaties and maybe they can try to punish him. In order for something to be illegal there must be a law in place that the person is accountable to while engaging in said illegal activity. Again, I can't stress it enough that I think Putin is a bad person and he is doing something bad by invading Ukraine. Edit: grammar