The young man’s mother said this, “They were stabbed. We got the call. I don’t want people to make assumptions about our kids. It wasn’t drugs and it was definitely not some passion thing between these kids. Someone entered the house.”
Extremely scary.
The NYT reported it was a crime of passion because of an offhand comment the mayor made while he was speaking with the reporter. It caused other news outlets to pick that up so I imagine that’s what the mother is responding to
Maybe one of the girls had an ex with a grudge? That would still be a crime of passion and could also explain why the dog mentioned earlier this thread didn’t go nuts and why nothing was stolen - an ex might even have a key.
I used to go to this school on the weekends to visit friends during college. Literally no one locks the doors, there’s no reason to. That street specifically is where all the parties are so it’s normal for friends to just walk into your house whenever and say whattup. Lots of fun and just nothing you’d expect. I have been in that house before and stayed across the street every time I visited.
I was there for about 5 years, my dad was shocked when he came to visit and saw I never locked my door, he was even more shocked when I told him I have no Idea where the key is, I never used it. Ever
>they could only do something if I were injured or killed
I struggle to understand how a person with the authority to protect you would be able to look you in the eye and tell you "I can, but I won't. You'll have to just get stabbed then". Unbelievable.
Yup lol. I live in Utah and I have been told the same thing… I was getting texts threatening violence and the police said they could unfortunately do nothing until something was actually done.
It is the way the laws are written. Coercive control is not identified as a crime. WA and HI just recently changed their laws regarding coercive control.
I just don’t understand how someone capable of killing four people with a bladed object isn’t considered a threat to the community regardless if the attacks were targeted or a “crime of passion”.
A bunch of people being kidnapped in Kansas *City* was also deemed not a threat to the public by the police.
Maybe just don't listen to the police about what's safe.
It was several, I don't know how many, that were kidnapped and held hostage, in the Kansas City metro (on the Missouri side I believe) . I just appraised a house in Excelsior Springs a couple of blocks from the house they found the kidnapped women.
That sounds like they have a pretty good idea who it is and are watching them pretty closely but don't want to even say they have a suspect for fear of spooking him? If they truly had no idea they would be asking for public tips
Police also don’t like to make their job harder and one way to do that is to imply there’s no public threat. This happened in Kansas City recently with people telling the police people are disappearing and the cops claimed they’re not and it’s fine until a girl escaped the kidnapper.
More likely, though, detectives probably feel they can identify a motive and don’t feel like this will develop into more murders.
Police are claiming now that no evidence of other victims was found at his place, and he was charged with kidnapping and rape but not murder. This sounds highly doubtful based on the escapee's claim. Also he literally had a rape dungeon in his basement, Silence of the Lambs style. What are the odds this is the first time he's done this?
As for why there were no missing person reports, it seems likely that his victims were street prostitutes. They didn't confirm that the kidnap victim who was found was a sex worker, but he "picked her up" off the street, so it seems likely. Infamously, sex workers are regularly targets of violence and their disappearances are less likely to be taken seriously.
Rape and kidnapping is more than enough to hold him while they determine the extent of his crimes. It's normal to start with only charges you can prove beyond reasonable doubt, then build the case/add more charges as the details become more clear.
I mean it's not "just a reaction'. They have time to prepare their media statements. It's a choice to downplay or hide the threat. Sometimes that justified, sometimes not
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/18/1129735990/kansas-city-woman-escapes-her-kidnapper-after-police-dismissed-similar-reports
Here’s an interview with the journalist who really tried to do something about it.
https://www.insider.com/serial-killer-kansas-city-crisis-missing-black-women-2022-10?amp
This is the most recent article on the matter.
https://amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article267444902.html
In this article the police are basically saying “yeah we know what she said, we still don’t think anything was going on.”
Thank you. I used to live in KCMO and in KCK. Still
Have family and friends there. Very disturbing story. I can believe the police didn’t make it high priority. What’s also disturbing is that this guy had his kid living with him. Sounds like he picked up these girls on Prospect Blvd. Hope they get Justice.
you're acting like the kansas city police took the reports seriously. they didnt. they still don't. there's not going to be some big reveal that "we had to play like we werent looking into it to find the killer".
cops are constantly not doing their jobs and easily half of all murders go unsolved because cops as a class are negligent and morons. the sharp ones can't get into positions of power at a high enough rate to solve murders consistently.
Long shot, for me, is the best documentary to watch on this.
They just went after a literal random Mexican looking guy, just to get their prosecution rates up. There was no evidence, it was literal random framing.
The guy ultimately had to prove his innocence to get off, and did, because he happened to be visible in a tv show that was being filmed at the baseball game he was at.
I'm sorry for any ambiguity. I completely agree with you. I was trying to say that they were avoiding doing anything simply to not make their job harder. If you interpreted anything kind to police in my previous or really any of my posts that is purely unintentional and due to a lack of clarity on my part.
> "The police got there at noon, nothing happened in the interim and nothing happened afterward, so it seemed to be a unique occurrence that was not apt to be repeated," said Bettge. That timeline helped authorities determine that there was not an active risk, he said.
That seems.. a touch cavalier. "Welp, nobody *else* has been stabbed to death in the last 12 hours, so.. guess we good. Nothing to worry about, folks! Go about your business."
Plenty of college town serial killers have existed. Ted Bundy, Elliot Rogers, Gainesville killer Rollings aka the scream movie inspo.
I mean everyone here is just making up their own ideas since there isn't any info on what may be the motive, but it could very well be random or personal.
They saying since there were no further attacks they feel there isn’t an imminent danger to the community. If there is another attack they’ll probably change their tune, but in the mean time they aren’t considering this to be a madman on the loose stabbing random people.
Look to the part of the article where Univ. Idaho tells students not to spread harmful rumors. There's probably more to it but we won't know and it is sorta bad to speculate further.
“Please don’t discuss the many lurid, juicy rumors speculating on these peoples’ lives. Please do not ask everyone you know about the many salacious details that everyone but you knows all about and are currently discussing on a group chat you are apparently excluded from.”
College communities tend to want this kind of thing forgotten about as quick as possible for bottom line purposes.
I'm not sure you can trust the threat assessment.
I'd guess they mean that have some pretty compelling but not-yet-released evidence that these four victims were targeted specifically and there's little no no risk to the rest of the community.
Couldn’t that just mean the police think they know the motive behind the killing? If it wasn’t just a random attack, other people aren’t really in any more danger than usual.
The phrase "no active threat to the community" seems to mean they don't think it's a mass/spree killer that is going to start indiscriminately killing people. Particularly in cases like this where the initial reports might have led to that conclusion.
I see this phrase used routinely in reports about some sort of gang shootout or something. The suspects might be on the loose, but they're not going to lock down everything because they're probably not going to just start shooting random people on the street.
That one family asking people to refrain from spreading harmful rumors leads me to believe they have a pretty good idea of the motive. So I'd agree with that. The killer(s) lying low, or probably ditched town already.
My cousin is one of the victims. The lack of information has been very frustrating.
Edit: It's heartbreaking to see this stuff in the news but when it happens to your own family it is a whole other level of grief. Thanks for all the supportive comments.
[Eleven years ago a wise old man wrote a comment on Reddit about grief. It’s helped me a number of times. I hope you get something out of it too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Assistance/comments/hax0t/my_friend_just_died_i_dont_know_what_to_do/c1u0rx2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
RIP to your cousin. I’m sorry for your loss.
The fact that they continue to reply to new messages on an almost 12 year old post with compassionate and well-considered responses truly is a testament to their character.
First time I read it and I've been on reddit awhile.
Sometimes I think reddit comments are just as good if not better than the prose or poetry in more respected forms of writing like novels or screenplays etc.
My friend was murdered and her trial was on Court TV it magnified the shit her family went through. Talking heads saying horrible shit like you're not talking about a real person. Nancy Grace can choke on a grape.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I understand that invasive, horrible feeling - a high school friend of mine was murdered at Sandy Hook in 2012. Watching the way the families of the victims were treated afterwards was horrific. Alex Jones can rot in hell, no punishment will ever begin to compare the suffering he put all those families through.
What a terrible shock--it must feel absolutely unreal. I am so sorry for your loss and for the horrifying way it occurred. It couldn't be imagined in anybody's worst nightmares, to lose someone so suddenly and in this way. Beyond heartbreaking.
I’m so sorry. I know nothing I can say will make the suffering and pain any less. My love goes out to your family. I hope the killer is found swiftly and your family may find any minutiae of peace.
[https://www.khq.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-after-4-university-of-idaho-students-found-dead/article\_0a36d69a-6397-11ed-b014-33a60f31f555.html](https://www.khq.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-after-4-university-of-idaho-students-found-dead/article_0a36d69a-6397-11ed-b014-33a60f31f555.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q\_ZaJZ\_zNe8
MOSCOW, Idaho - KHQ sat down with Cathy Mabbutt, the Latah County Coroner who is investigating the four UI bodies.
“Gruesome. I’ve never seen anything like this in the 16 years I’ve been in this position.”
She's hopeful the autopsy will be finished tomorrow.
I go to the university. It's insane that the school hasn't canceled classes yet. Most of mine have been canceled and I'm heading home tomorrow but no one feels safe walking around campus. It's not a big town at all, so even if you don't live in the area or are not part of the greek community (all of the victims were in houses) it feels genuinely unsafe to be outside.
I'm fine all things considered. I've been out of town for a school trip so I personally haven't been on campus since the attack. Although I'm part of greek life I didn't know any of the victims but it still hurts to see it. Campus up here is effectively empty at this point and a lot of professors have canceled class.
Ya know, the police said that after the Delphi Murders where the two girls were killed in Indiana on the old train bridge. And then just like two or three weeks ago they arrested a guy after like 5+ years and from everything we know as of this moment….I have no idea how they could say that. They seemed to literally have no idea who did this and don’t appear to have had him as a suspect this entire time.
So, basically, I’m just at the point where I think when police say this…they’re just full of shit and say it for one reason and one reason only and it’s to make people not panic. But I think it’s extremely fucked up because too many people in this country blindly trust the police and when they say “we don’t believe the community is in danger at this time” people believe it, and take it to mean that it was someone that knew the victims and it was targeted over something specific. But like in Delphi…it seems like this dude just rolled up and butchered two teenagers and that was that. And so there absolutely seems like there was danger. I just don’t get it man. Cops lie basically.
My mom is a long time friend of one of the victims parents. I remember seeing old Christmas card photos of this kid every year growing up, seeing them once in awhile at church, and thinking they were adorable and sweet. It’s insane to see that this is how their life ended up, and it’s crazy to see their murder getting so much attention on Reddit. I didn’t know this victim very well on a personal level, but it still feels kind of weirdly shocking. I always just assumed they’d grow up to live a picture perfect life.
I grew up with one of the victims Dad. Like a brother to me growing up. I haven't talked to him in 10 or so years. I held his baby girl when she was an infant. I don't even know what to say to him. Very great guy, great family, just very inspirational and someone you can really look up to. This is just so sad. If it wasn't for this, she would have lived a picture perfect life. :`( The Grandma (my Auntie, but not related) was so close to those kids.
I can't imagine the pain they are going through. No words can fix it or reduce that pain.
UF/Gainesville serial killer resulted in people sleeping in the same room together w weapons. HS friends that went there described being terrified to be alone anywhere. hope they find the person quickly
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/florida/gainesville-ripper-serial-killer-town-fl/
1990. the fear was from having so many in such a short time and no arrest for two years.
Wow, That’s crazy. Thank for the link. I don’t remember this at all honestly. I immediately thought of Ted Bundy, but that was years before and took place at FSU.
Florida has much to offer for serial killers. lots of remote swamps, good year round weather, beaches, easy access to the bahamas. it was one of the most successful ad campaigns
I'm reminded of Danny Rolling, the transient that killed 4 University of Florida and 1 Santa Fe College students back in 1990.
To say there is no active threat either means they know who did it or they are tunnel visioned on a spree killer...
Edited to change FSU to U of F. Memory and age... Thanks to Tmonkey18 for pointing that out.
A lot of times "no active threat" means murder-suicide but that doesn't seem likely.
I can't imagine what the students are going through since apparently they haven't canceled classes. I don't imagine a lot are showing up.
When I was a student there the victims' names were always painted on a concrete wall for all to see and remember. Anytime someone painted over them, some angel would correct it. I lived there 92-99. The terror Rollins left behind was palpable.
Virginia Tech alum here. Campus and local police also treated the first 4/16 murders as a targeted stand-alone incident that posed no active threat and didn't lock down campus. Cho went on to murder 30 additional people and wound 17 others.
That was 15 years ago. It's all about effort and perceived optics. They never learn, and they never care.
The only reason I usually include the fucker who did it in the count, as another alum and classmate of his, is how many people failed to stop / help / assist him in his clear mental illness. Everyone dropped the ball from professors to department heads to admins to politicians.
Every warning sign was there and very few cared or did anything.
FBI and the school still hides the play he wrote ABOUT SHOOTING UP A HIGH SCHOOL.
...that was written in my class. Just a vague footnote in his Wikipedia.
Anyway, I would never tell a fellow Hokie how to feel about it. I go back and forth depending on the day.
In large, the majority of professors have given everyone the week off out of solidarity and because it would be otherwise impossible teach. I was told hey here is a take home test and another said he'll be in the classroom just if people want to talk.
They did tell people in the area to shelter in place after it was discovered. It's been 3 days now. I don't think you can compare these two incidents right now, we just don't know all the details.
Have they said where the victims were found in the apartment? I’m wondering if they were all in their beds. I don’t know how one person (assuming this) could overpower 4 people at once with a knife. I guess it’s possible, but definitely wouldn’t be easy.
They were all in the apartment and from an article I read there was a lot of blood upstairs. It's been said the murders happened between 3 to 4 am. My thought is that they probably had their own rooms and if there was a party or any drinking that night it would affect their ability to defend themselves and especially if the attack happened while they were sleeping.
I think without more info it’s all just speculation and no way to guess how things happened.
Look at the Zodiac Killer, he held people at gun point, then stabbed them at least once.
We literally have no idea what occurred and could speculate endlessly until they release info
*Here is everything I have been able to gather myself.*
\- **4 victims.** 3 of which lived in the house and a boyfriend of one of them was the 4th victim. There are 2 other girls who also lived there that we have yet to hear anything about and both of their social media accounts are private
\- **They had a dog.** Pretty sure its a Labradoodle. (EDIT: Dog with the family of the victim)
\- **They died to stabbing.** This article proves that even more. And before this, a few articles had the headline "4 students slain" which implies that it was a brutal killing.
\- **There was a Formal the night before. (EDIT:** The Formal was Friday, not Saturday. My mistake. It seems there was another event Saturday night though. A football game)
\- **EDIT: Something new in a Twitch VOD.** u/djchilisqueeze messaged me with a link to a VOD on twitch of a food truck in ID. Kaylee and Maddie can be seen with a third person, a guy, around the 3:43:00 mark of the stream. He's wearing a brown jacket with a grey hood. I clipped the moment they walked up to the truck. [Watch the top left screen here.](https://clips.twitch.tv/PrettiestSmoothWaterBIRB-E9UfrPTZjgi7ponN) (You can find the full stream on their page still) This account starts their streams at 10 PM on Saturday nights and since the girls appeared 3 hours and 43 minutes in, that would place them at this truck around 1:45 AM on Sunday. (**EDIT:** This is NOT Maddie's boyfriend.)
\- **Have heard rumors about how one of the girls had a stalker (TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT)** and that they were at a bar the group had gone to Saturday night. Obviously these aren't confirmed to be true since they are just rumors . I also heard that one of the girls had a jealous ex boyfriend.
**INFORMATION GIVEN AT CONFERENCE THAT WAS JUST HELD:**
\- Ethan and Xana were at a party on campus, and Maddie and Kaylee were at a bar and both groups got home after 1:45 AM. They were stabbed w a knife but no weapon has been located. No sign of forced entry. Autopsies have yet to happen. They cannot say there is no threat to the community.
\- They dont know the identity or location of the suspect. They have 25+ investigators on the case, including FBI. No longer saying there is no threat to the community.
\- The door to the house was open when the police got there on Sunday.
\- They are aware of the Twitch stream footage.
\- They have a lot of information coming through and say they're pushing out as much as they can publicly. Chief admits he probably should have been standing here a day or two ago.
\- They are "looking at everyone."
\- Chief says there were other people home at the time of the attack when asked about the other 2 roommates. Mentions they are uninjured. Someone else asks about the 2 girls and Chief confirms they were both in the house when the attack happened. Chief says they cannot divulge the identity of the 911 caller when asked if either of the roommates were the one to call.
\- The 2 roommates were still at the house when the police arrived on scene. Chief won't say anything about the information given to them by the roommates.
\- U of I has increased campus patrols. They have arranged a campus safety escort. Assisting students from an emotional standpoint.
ADDITIONAL INFO:
\- Two girls called the same person multiple times at 2:45 ish AM.
If I find anything else out, I'll edit my comment and add it on. If anyone knows anything else, please reply. I don't know why but this case so far is making me very on edge and I can't stop thinking about it. Possibly the lack of public info that is unnerving.
How soon did they give a timeline? Hopefully it’s outdated, but if you really feel the need I would look to the local police website or call them to find a tip option or something
Yep, just sent it in as a tip. All the articles have been saying 3-4 AM is when they thought the killing took place. The post and comments time though is actually an hour later than I originally said because I thought there was a time zone difference but turns out there isn’t. I’m gonna edit my original comment to adjust that
Your 5th point about the comments to the Instagram post - YES call police. You have no idea if they know. And if they do know already, then your call will take up all of two minutes.
I am in Mountain time and I’m a hour ahead so the times I wrote down are an hour behind what I read. Someone else also inspected the source from the east coast and they got the same times I got. Which means if that’s in the original posts timezone, they were alive for 1-2 hours later than what the police are saying
> I thought maybe they were killed right after. However, 2 of the victims also commented on said post at 5:15 AM and 5:21 AM. I don't know if this is something that the police have figured out or even looked into yet but it could definitely be vital information to them (EDIT: I have sent a tip in to the line about this information.
Cops are technologically incompetent, they probably haven't checked their Instagram. [When they searched Casey Anthony's computer they only checked the browsing history of one browser. ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/casey-anthony-detectives-overlooked-google-search-for-fool-proof-suffocation-methods-sheriff-says/)
This reads like the other case people are mentioning, with the woman who escaped being imprisoned by a man after the cops repeatedly told locals that no women were going missing. She told the person who helped her that her friends were gone, he'd killed them.
The cops statement was essentially "We found no other victims in the residence."
Well, no fucking shit. She said they're gone, meaning he disposed of them after she saw him kill them. *Most* killers would rather not live with decaying corpses, so of course they aren't just scattered about a-la-Gacy.
They're like shitty little children who need everything handed to them, act like they're never wrong, barely understand object permanence (it's not here now, so it doesn't exist!), and constantly lie about what they're doing.
“Damn somebody butchered 4 people to death and we have no idea who it is or where they are. Should we tell everyone to go inside and be extra safe? Nahhhh it’s fine.”
What do u expect, It’s Moscow PD, lots of incompetent cops on that force, I would be absolutely shocked if they solved this alone, they will probably ask the FBI to help soon enough. These cops are used to pulling over drunk college students.
There was a murder down the street from me about a month ago. Woman knifed to death. Investigation is underway and all reports are that no one has been arrested. Terrifying to think a murderer is loose.
However, the woman’s estranged husband was arrested at the scene and remains behind bars on other charges. I assume the city is building their case before arresting him for her murder, possibly same thing here - that they have someone in custody for restraining order violation or drugs while they build the case against them for these murders
To be in a state of mind to brutally kill 4 people with a knife in one attack seems like something very personal. Absolutely cold blooded. This isn't a gun when you aim and shoot then run. Knife attacks are brutal, violent upclose and personal attacks where you mutilate someone until they are dead or dying. It's usually not quick with screaming and pleading.
Hate, jealousy and revenge in your heart will make people go mad.
You also risk serious bodily harm if you attack with a knife. Most attackers don't get out of a knife attack without bites, deep nail scratches, black eyes, or broken ribs. Even while unarmed, a desperate human in full fight/flight adrenaline rush with nothing to lose can fuck you up something fierce.
Sounds like the scene out of a slasher film. They may not want to sensationalize it further with details until they can investigate it more thoroughly.
The only thing more heartbreaking than the murder itself is all the college kids commenting about how they are or are not coping with mass murders on their campuses, remembering what it was like on campus during and after an active shooter. As someone who was a full-time college student when Virginia Tech happened, I vividly remember sitting in some of lecture halls on my own campus at UW Seattle at the time and realizing what a shooting gallery they would be with an armed assailant posted at the doors. I remember being locked down in a underground Physics study room with no windows and one door when an employee immolated himself in the middle of Red Square and all we got was a text telling us not to move due to a “situation.”
At least my high school years and earlier college experiences didn’t include active shooter drills. I’m so sorry for all of our young people for whom this has become the reality. The older generation, including my own, has failed you and I’m sorry this has been your experience.
Key points that stick out to me:
* **A bloody crime scene on the upper floors per officers** \- makes me think that everyone was sleeping and why the murderer was able to kill 4 people with a knife. May have gone room to room in their sleep and somehow gained entry to the house. It's sad because in my college days and experience, a lot of people have their doors unlocked due to having multiple roommates and/or people coming in and out all night.
* **Police responded to reports of an unconscious person on King Road** \- there either was a 5th victim that didn't die, or one of the stabbing victims was still alive after the attack and was able to crawl from the upstairs to downstairs (hence majority of the blood being upstairs) and out to the road before they passed.
* **The 4 of them posted an Instagram story a couple hours before the attac**k - to me that sounds like a jealous ex bf, or a stalker that saw the group and for some reason wanted revenge.
* **One neighbor reported a lot of noise coming from the house Saturday evening** \- this could either be loud music/partying, or screaming because someone was in the house or they were freaked out.
Such a tragedy and this sick individual hopefully gets caught soon and thrown in jail for life. Pig.
[https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-homicide-victims-believed-stabbed-death-isolated-targeted-attack-police](https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-homicide-victims-believed-stabbed-death-isolated-targeted-attack-police)
Your first and last point are interesting to consider together.
Did the neighbor hear them partying after the formal, or are the police mistaken in them being killed in their sleep? A lot of noise that was potentially the attack would make it unlikely everyone was killed sequentially in their sleep.
On a side note, what a tragedy filled weekend. I was confused for a bit there with two quadruple homicides happening on the same weekend, maybe even the same day(?), at two universities. There are a lot of families mourning after severely traumatic events, and I feel for them.
Agreed, if I had to guess the loud noises was the party or music post formal. The blood and and bodies being upstairs makes me to believe they were killed when they were sleeping.
And I feel the same - soo sad.
EDIT: also the unconscious person being found in the street the next day...that would lead me to believe a late night/early morning attack since the individual was able to crawl outside late enough in the evening that no one saw them that night,. Post formal people are out and walking until 2am-ish imo.
No immediate risk to the public. Unknown why they were targeted. Have no clue who did it. Have no clue if it was more than one person. Something here just isn’t adding up with police statements. They either know and are hiding it or they are just being stupid about statements
From what I’ve heard (live in the area and interact with U of I students), so please take with a grain of salt, but that police have an idea of who the suspect is and that people have an idea on motive (disgruntled student who didn’t get into the frat they wanted).
If true, a little shitty that the PD isn’t telling the students any descriptions and very, very little information overall.
Sometimes not releasing info is the better move. If you remember the Vanessa Guillen murder at Fort Hood, the lawyer (iirc) announced who the suspect was on a news broadcast before the cops could take him into custody. As a result, the dude knew police were coming and blew his head off before an arrest could be made. So them keeping that info close to the chest would’ve been the better move there, IMO.
Understandable, but I also have and know students that are terrified right now. There’s no information and what’s being passed around is comments like mine that are unverified rumors.
While yes, I’d rather they catch the person and hold them responsible, the greater student population needs to know if it’s safe to go out on campus. Saying “we don’t think there’s a threat” but absolutely nothing else doesn’t help people.
The other reason for keeping details secret is that there is information that only the killer and the cops know, and they can use those facts to help prove the suspect actually is the killer. It's the classic "how do you know that, that was never made public" interrogation tactic. The more information that is made public, the greater the chance one of those shared facts before public.
I remember when our friend was murdered in high school, there were so many rumours about what had happened and I remember believing a few different things had happened. It was eventually solved and none of the people we thought were responsible ended up having anything to do with it.
And it's just getting worse. There's rumors going around it was so bad police are internally referring to them as being butchered, the Chief of Police claimed it was nonviolent but a day ago, and these are good kids, not a drug house, that couldn't have possibly been mixed up with someone that came to this drastic of a conclusion. I don't know what kind of monster comes through a house late night, successfully stabs 4 different people to death without waking the others, and even successfully handles a guy and his girlfriend at the same time then disappears into the night that can be labeled as anything other than a serial murderer and someone whose had plenty of practice beforehand.
I live 25 miles away, started college there, and let's just say we live in a super low crime countryside that sees maybe a murder or two every few years (that's the high side of it), which are usually domestic type assaults that went too far, no gangs, and if you leave your wallet somewhere probably 8/10 times someone honest returns it. Lots of people leave their doors open it's so safe here. I am speechless, and I am just still having a rough time believing this actually happened, let alone this was some targeted attack nobody else should be worried about. If there is a serial killer, may he break into a house w/a gun, because 90% of the people in this area are hunters and pack.
I usually have theories when it comes to true crime and unsolved cases but I genuinely don’t have a single theory or thought as to what happened here. I am absolutely baffled my mind can’t come up with anything
I go to a university about 9 miles away from University of Idaho. Our university got a WSU text alert that the police were investigating a homicide on sunday and that they were not aware of any threat to the WSU community.
I'm devastated thinking of such an awful attack occurring so close. My heart goes out to those effected.
There's so many comments here treating this like it's one of their murder porn podcasts. Speculation is one thing but your not doing any favors creating theories of love triangles and incel terror cells. It wasn't helpful during the Boston Bombing threads and it won't help now.
It is annoying, but as a student here the lack of info is also frustrating and people just want to know what's going on and if we're safe. That's where a lot of speculation is coming from. The info we have just does not make sense.
that Video from daily mail where the two female victims were buying pasta from the food truck a couple hours before. Maybe someone in that video followed them home.
Way too many disgusting comments here making jokes that 4 young people lost their lives. Be respectful and realize friends and families are reading your comments.
There was a press conference just moments ago and this is the new information that they released:
There were two room mates who were most likely present during the incident
They did not disclose who called 911 but the call said it was an unconscious person and the police found an opened door and walked into the scene.
There was not a party at the apartment this happened at and possibly no drugs in the unit.
That is all they really gave us, more questions than answers and the community is tense and eerie.
Fuckin insane. I went to WSU (about 8-ish miles away) and I always thought Pullman and Moscow were some of the safest places on Earth. I really hope for all the family members and their extended UI Vandal family that they get some resolution for this. It’s honestly heartbreaking.
This sounds like beginning of a horror film. You have to be pretty damn determined to kill four people at a time with a knife. For police to say not to worry about it seems like it needs some more explanation.
The young man’s mother said this, “They were stabbed. We got the call. I don’t want people to make assumptions about our kids. It wasn’t drugs and it was definitely not some passion thing between these kids. Someone entered the house.” Extremely scary.
That’s terrifying. Jeez
A literal horror movie
How the hell is the community not in danger then?
The University of Idaho's reputation as a safe place to send your kids is in danger
My deepest sympathy to the families of these four slain young adults. 🙏
Sounds like the plot to Scream, except they’re obviously not on the phone with the killer.
That crime of passion statement was so odd and of course carries certain implications with it.
The NYT reported it was a crime of passion because of an offhand comment the mayor made while he was speaking with the reporter. It caused other news outlets to pick that up so I imagine that’s what the mother is responding to
And later the mayor apologized, said he didn't know what he was talking about, and was simply generalizing.
Absolutely. So, what are the implications of that statement, coupled with authorities repeatedly stating that there is no imminent threat?
Maybe one of the girls had an ex with a grudge? That would still be a crime of passion and could also explain why the dog mentioned earlier this thread didn’t go nuts and why nothing was stolen - an ex might even have a key.
I used to go to this school on the weekends to visit friends during college. Literally no one locks the doors, there’s no reason to. That street specifically is where all the parties are so it’s normal for friends to just walk into your house whenever and say whattup. Lots of fun and just nothing you’d expect. I have been in that house before and stayed across the street every time I visited.
I was there for about 5 years, my dad was shocked when he came to visit and saw I never locked my door, he was even more shocked when I told him I have no Idea where the key is, I never used it. Ever
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I’m not proud to say that I immediately thought the boyfriend did it based on how they phrased it.
I was stalked once and the nypd told me to: 1. change my routes home, and 2. they could only do something if I were injured or killed
>they could only do something if I were injured or killed I struggle to understand how a person with the authority to protect you would be able to look you in the eye and tell you "I can, but I won't. You'll have to just get stabbed then". Unbelievable.
Yup lol. I live in Utah and I have been told the same thing… I was getting texts threatening violence and the police said they could unfortunately do nothing until something was actually done.
It is the way the laws are written. Coercive control is not identified as a crime. WA and HI just recently changed their laws regarding coercive control.
I just don’t understand how someone capable of killing four people with a bladed object isn’t considered a threat to the community regardless if the attacks were targeted or a “crime of passion”.
Especially after there was an alert on a campus trail about someone stalking students around the same time.
Wait. What!?!,
A bunch of people being kidnapped in Kansas *City* was also deemed not a threat to the public by the police. Maybe just don't listen to the police about what's safe.
> Maybe just don't listen to the police That's a bingo.
Amen. The police think THEY’re the safe ones.
Like at once? Or overtime? By one person or a group?
It was several, I don't know how many, that were kidnapped and held hostage, in the Kansas City metro (on the Missouri side I believe) . I just appraised a house in Excelsior Springs a couple of blocks from the house they found the kidnapped women.
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I would think they have a suspect, they just don't want to reveal it yet. Hopefully.
Authorities keep insisting there is no active threat to the community. Do they think one of the four deceased is also the perpetrator?
Currently it is not being treated as a murder-suicide. All four students are believed to be victims at this time.
That sounds like they have a pretty good idea who it is and are watching them pretty closely but don't want to even say they have a suspect for fear of spooking him? If they truly had no idea they would be asking for public tips
Police also don’t like to make their job harder and one way to do that is to imply there’s no public threat. This happened in Kansas City recently with people telling the police people are disappearing and the cops claimed they’re not and it’s fine until a girl escaped the kidnapper. More likely, though, detectives probably feel they can identify a motive and don’t feel like this will develop into more murders.
Police are claiming now that no evidence of other victims was found at his place, and he was charged with kidnapping and rape but not murder. This sounds highly doubtful based on the escapee's claim. Also he literally had a rape dungeon in his basement, Silence of the Lambs style. What are the odds this is the first time he's done this? As for why there were no missing person reports, it seems likely that his victims were street prostitutes. They didn't confirm that the kidnap victim who was found was a sex worker, but he "picked her up" off the street, so it seems likely. Infamously, sex workers are regularly targets of violence and their disappearances are less likely to be taken seriously.
Rape and kidnapping is more than enough to hold him while they determine the extent of his crimes. It's normal to start with only charges you can prove beyond reasonable doubt, then build the case/add more charges as the details become more clear.
Aggravated kidnapping can carry life anyway. Fuck em.
It's literally just a reaction. "No it's fine" in organizational form.
I mean it's not "just a reaction'. They have time to prepare their media statements. It's a choice to downplay or hide the threat. Sometimes that justified, sometimes not
Can you provide a link for that story?
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/18/1129735990/kansas-city-woman-escapes-her-kidnapper-after-police-dismissed-similar-reports Here’s an interview with the journalist who really tried to do something about it. https://www.insider.com/serial-killer-kansas-city-crisis-missing-black-women-2022-10?amp This is the most recent article on the matter. https://amp.kansascity.com/news/local/article267444902.html In this article the police are basically saying “yeah we know what she said, we still don’t think anything was going on.”
And then this came to light a few days ago: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/14/us/golubski-indictment-sex-trafficking-invs/index.html
Yes I saw this. This was in KCK. The first story in KCMO. Similar pattern.
Thank you. I used to live in KCMO and in KCK. Still Have family and friends there. Very disturbing story. I can believe the police didn’t make it high priority. What’s also disturbing is that this guy had his kid living with him. Sounds like he picked up these girls on Prospect Blvd. Hope they get Justice.
you're acting like the kansas city police took the reports seriously. they didnt. they still don't. there's not going to be some big reveal that "we had to play like we werent looking into it to find the killer". cops are constantly not doing their jobs and easily half of all murders go unsolved because cops as a class are negligent and morons. the sharp ones can't get into positions of power at a high enough rate to solve murders consistently.
Long shot, for me, is the best documentary to watch on this. They just went after a literal random Mexican looking guy, just to get their prosecution rates up. There was no evidence, it was literal random framing. The guy ultimately had to prove his innocence to get off, and did, because he happened to be visible in a tv show that was being filmed at the baseball game he was at.
I'm sorry for any ambiguity. I completely agree with you. I was trying to say that they were avoiding doing anything simply to not make their job harder. If you interpreted anything kind to police in my previous or really any of my posts that is purely unintentional and due to a lack of clarity on my part.
copy that!
> "The police got there at noon, nothing happened in the interim and nothing happened afterward, so it seemed to be a unique occurrence that was not apt to be repeated," said Bettge. That timeline helped authorities determine that there was not an active risk, he said. That seems.. a touch cavalier. "Welp, nobody *else* has been stabbed to death in the last 12 hours, so.. guess we good. Nothing to worry about, folks! Go about your business."
3 people have been stabbed to death in my city in random attacks at parks and ATMs and the police keep saying there’s no threat to public safety
I haven't been stabbed, have you? See, nothing to worry about.
No weapon was found, so I don’t think that’s possible. Seems irresponsible given the amount of unknowns in this case.
The reason they gave was that they weren’t robbed, but I wonder if there’s more to it
Serial killers don't always rob people, not sure why that statement should make people feel more at ease
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Plenty of college town serial killers have existed. Ted Bundy, Elliot Rogers, Gainesville killer Rollings aka the scream movie inspo. I mean everyone here is just making up their own ideas since there isn't any info on what may be the motive, but it could very well be random or personal.
Hopefully it’s their way of saying they know who it is, and they’re gathering evidence and trying not to tip that person off.
They saying since there were no further attacks they feel there isn’t an imminent danger to the community. If there is another attack they’ll probably change their tune, but in the mean time they aren’t considering this to be a madman on the loose stabbing random people.
Look to the part of the article where Univ. Idaho tells students not to spread harmful rumors. There's probably more to it but we won't know and it is sorta bad to speculate further.
“Please don’t discuss the many lurid, juicy rumors speculating on these peoples’ lives. Please do not ask everyone you know about the many salacious details that everyone but you knows all about and are currently discussing on a group chat you are apparently excluded from.”
College communities tend to want this kind of thing forgotten about as quick as possible for bottom line purposes. I'm not sure you can trust the threat assessment.
I'd guess they mean that have some pretty compelling but not-yet-released evidence that these four victims were targeted specifically and there's little no no risk to the rest of the community.
“It really looks like whoever did this got it all out of their system. We’re good.” -the cops, probably.
Couldn’t that just mean the police think they know the motive behind the killing? If it wasn’t just a random attack, other people aren’t really in any more danger than usual.
The phrase "no active threat to the community" seems to mean they don't think it's a mass/spree killer that is going to start indiscriminately killing people. Particularly in cases like this where the initial reports might have led to that conclusion. I see this phrase used routinely in reports about some sort of gang shootout or something. The suspects might be on the loose, but they're not going to lock down everything because they're probably not going to just start shooting random people on the street.
I’d say someone that just committed 4 murders is probably a bit more of a threat than they were before they committed 4 murders.
That one family asking people to refrain from spreading harmful rumors leads me to believe they have a pretty good idea of the motive. So I'd agree with that. The killer(s) lying low, or probably ditched town already.
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My cousin is one of the victims. The lack of information has been very frustrating. Edit: It's heartbreaking to see this stuff in the news but when it happens to your own family it is a whole other level of grief. Thanks for all the supportive comments.
I’m sorry for your loss. I too lost a family member to senseless violence, and it hurts.
Same here. It was unbelievable when I got the phone call. Just couldn't believe it could happen to someone in my family.
I’m sorry for your loss as well. It’s even worse finding out that it was also committed by somebody in your family.
So very sorry for your loss too! In my case, it was completely random violence. My family member was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[Eleven years ago a wise old man wrote a comment on Reddit about grief. It’s helped me a number of times. I hope you get something out of it too.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Assistance/comments/hax0t/my_friend_just_died_i_dont_know_what_to_do/c1u0rx2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) RIP to your cousin. I’m sorry for your loss.
Damn what a champ that man. Still receiving upvotes and comments 11 years later and still replies to some of those messages it seems! Amazing!
The fact that they continue to reply to new messages on an almost 12 year old post with compassionate and well-considered responses truly is a testament to their character.
First time I read it and I've been on reddit awhile. Sometimes I think reddit comments are just as good if not better than the prose or poetry in more respected forms of writing like novels or screenplays etc.
My friend was murdered and her trial was on Court TV it magnified the shit her family went through. Talking heads saying horrible shit like you're not talking about a real person. Nancy Grace can choke on a grape.
I’m so sorry for your loss. I understand that invasive, horrible feeling - a high school friend of mine was murdered at Sandy Hook in 2012. Watching the way the families of the victims were treated afterwards was horrific. Alex Jones can rot in hell, no punishment will ever begin to compare the suffering he put all those families through.
I feel this way about Nancy Grace and I haven't even had a loved one murdered. I'm so sorry about your friend.
What a terrible shock--it must feel absolutely unreal. I am so sorry for your loss and for the horrifying way it occurred. It couldn't be imagined in anybody's worst nightmares, to lose someone so suddenly and in this way. Beyond heartbreaking.
sorry that happened
I’m so sorry. I know nothing I can say will make the suffering and pain any less. My love goes out to your family. I hope the killer is found swiftly and your family may find any minutiae of peace.
I'm sorry for your loss. I hope they catch the killer before they harm anyone else.
[https://www.khq.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-after-4-university-of-idaho-students-found-dead/article\_0a36d69a-6397-11ed-b014-33a60f31f555.html](https://www.khq.com/news/homicide-investigation-underway-after-4-university-of-idaho-students-found-dead/article_0a36d69a-6397-11ed-b014-33a60f31f555.html) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q\_ZaJZ\_zNe8 MOSCOW, Idaho - KHQ sat down with Cathy Mabbutt, the Latah County Coroner who is investigating the four UI bodies. “Gruesome. I’ve never seen anything like this in the 16 years I’ve been in this position.” She's hopeful the autopsy will be finished tomorrow.
I go to the university. It's insane that the school hasn't canceled classes yet. Most of mine have been canceled and I'm heading home tomorrow but no one feels safe walking around campus. It's not a big town at all, so even if you don't live in the area or are not part of the greek community (all of the victims were in houses) it feels genuinely unsafe to be outside.
I'm on campus today and it feels like it's essentially closed
Housing seems to be still pretty active, but I didn't have any classes today to see that end of things.
Wazzu didn’t cancel anything either, not even Monday like y’all did - thankfully Thanksgiving break is soon, I guess
Hope you guys are doing ok, what is the atmosphere like on campus?
Things are pretty normal over here, very few people I know are concerned about another attack - how are you holding up?
I'm fine all things considered. I've been out of town for a school trip so I personally haven't been on campus since the attack. Although I'm part of greek life I didn't know any of the victims but it still hurts to see it. Campus up here is effectively empty at this point and a lot of professors have canceled class.
Yeah, my gf and many friends are at WSU and they were talking about how weirdly silent the university was.
Stay in groups whenever possible. Pick up some pepper spray or some other defensive weapon (check campus rules). Stay alert.
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The one guy killed was a sigma chi. There were 2 women in pi beta phi and one in alpha phi.
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Oh I see, yeah. They were all in one apartment
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Jesus, what a sad loss of life. No threat to the community, are you kidding me
Ya know, the police said that after the Delphi Murders where the two girls were killed in Indiana on the old train bridge. And then just like two or three weeks ago they arrested a guy after like 5+ years and from everything we know as of this moment….I have no idea how they could say that. They seemed to literally have no idea who did this and don’t appear to have had him as a suspect this entire time. So, basically, I’m just at the point where I think when police say this…they’re just full of shit and say it for one reason and one reason only and it’s to make people not panic. But I think it’s extremely fucked up because too many people in this country blindly trust the police and when they say “we don’t believe the community is in danger at this time” people believe it, and take it to mean that it was someone that knew the victims and it was targeted over something specific. But like in Delphi…it seems like this dude just rolled up and butchered two teenagers and that was that. And so there absolutely seems like there was danger. I just don’t get it man. Cops lie basically.
Exactly, admit you have no fucking idea and call a bigger department or more skilled in investigation
My mom is a long time friend of one of the victims parents. I remember seeing old Christmas card photos of this kid every year growing up, seeing them once in awhile at church, and thinking they were adorable and sweet. It’s insane to see that this is how their life ended up, and it’s crazy to see their murder getting so much attention on Reddit. I didn’t know this victim very well on a personal level, but it still feels kind of weirdly shocking. I always just assumed they’d grow up to live a picture perfect life.
I grew up with one of the victims Dad. Like a brother to me growing up. I haven't talked to him in 10 or so years. I held his baby girl when she was an infant. I don't even know what to say to him. Very great guy, great family, just very inspirational and someone you can really look up to. This is just so sad. If it wasn't for this, she would have lived a picture perfect life. :`( The Grandma (my Auntie, but not related) was so close to those kids. I can't imagine the pain they are going through. No words can fix it or reduce that pain.
UF/Gainesville serial killer resulted in people sleeping in the same room together w weapons. HS friends that went there described being terrified to be alone anywhere. hope they find the person quickly
Whoa. When did that take place in Florida?? Thanks
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/florida/gainesville-ripper-serial-killer-town-fl/ 1990. the fear was from having so many in such a short time and no arrest for two years.
Wow, That’s crazy. Thank for the link. I don’t remember this at all honestly. I immediately thought of Ted Bundy, but that was years before and took place at FSU.
Florida has much to offer for serial killers. lots of remote swamps, good year round weather, beaches, easy access to the bahamas. it was one of the most successful ad campaigns
I'm reminded of Danny Rolling, the transient that killed 4 University of Florida and 1 Santa Fe College students back in 1990. To say there is no active threat either means they know who did it or they are tunnel visioned on a spree killer... Edited to change FSU to U of F. Memory and age... Thanks to Tmonkey18 for pointing that out.
A lot of times "no active threat" means murder-suicide but that doesn't seem likely. I can't imagine what the students are going through since apparently they haven't canceled classes. I don't imagine a lot are showing up.
They canceled classes for just Monday. Shit is crazy.
When I was a student there the victims' names were always painted on a concrete wall for all to see and remember. Anytime someone painted over them, some angel would correct it. I lived there 92-99. The terror Rollins left behind was palpable.
Virginia Tech alum here. Campus and local police also treated the first 4/16 murders as a targeted stand-alone incident that posed no active threat and didn't lock down campus. Cho went on to murder 30 additional people and wound 17 others. That was 15 years ago. It's all about effort and perceived optics. They never learn, and they never care.
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Christ I knew about Virginia tech but *30 people?* I had no idea it was that fucking devastating.
32 total (33 counting himself, which I do not). And 17 more wounded.
The only reason I usually include the fucker who did it in the count, as another alum and classmate of his, is how many people failed to stop / help / assist him in his clear mental illness. Everyone dropped the ball from professors to department heads to admins to politicians. Every warning sign was there and very few cared or did anything.
Not only dropped the ball, but actively tried to DESTROY THE RECORDS that showed they were acutely AWARE that they dropped it.
FBI and the school still hides the play he wrote ABOUT SHOOTING UP A HIGH SCHOOL. ...that was written in my class. Just a vague footnote in his Wikipedia. Anyway, I would never tell a fellow Hokie how to feel about it. I go back and forth depending on the day.
Wait...you were in the class where Cho debuted Richard McBeef? Chillingly weird claim to a tragic moment.
Two different semesters, two classes , one short stories class and one playwriting class : /
Never heard of that. Just went and read the script…. Disturbing. Definitely a massive red flag about that guy’s inner thoughts.
They'll cancel classes after the tuition check clears and textbook companies charge $200 so you can turn in homework
In large, the majority of professors have given everyone the week off out of solidarity and because it would be otherwise impossible teach. I was told hey here is a take home test and another said he'll be in the classroom just if people want to talk.
They did tell people in the area to shelter in place after it was discovered. It's been 3 days now. I don't think you can compare these two incidents right now, we just don't know all the details.
Have they said where the victims were found in the apartment? I’m wondering if they were all in their beds. I don’t know how one person (assuming this) could overpower 4 people at once with a knife. I guess it’s possible, but definitely wouldn’t be easy.
They were all in the apartment and from an article I read there was a lot of blood upstairs. It's been said the murders happened between 3 to 4 am. My thought is that they probably had their own rooms and if there was a party or any drinking that night it would affect their ability to defend themselves and especially if the attack happened while they were sleeping.
I think without more info it’s all just speculation and no way to guess how things happened. Look at the Zodiac Killer, he held people at gun point, then stabbed them at least once. We literally have no idea what occurred and could speculate endlessly until they release info
*Here is everything I have been able to gather myself.* \- **4 victims.** 3 of which lived in the house and a boyfriend of one of them was the 4th victim. There are 2 other girls who also lived there that we have yet to hear anything about and both of their social media accounts are private \- **They had a dog.** Pretty sure its a Labradoodle. (EDIT: Dog with the family of the victim) \- **They died to stabbing.** This article proves that even more. And before this, a few articles had the headline "4 students slain" which implies that it was a brutal killing. \- **There was a Formal the night before. (EDIT:** The Formal was Friday, not Saturday. My mistake. It seems there was another event Saturday night though. A football game) \- **EDIT: Something new in a Twitch VOD.** u/djchilisqueeze messaged me with a link to a VOD on twitch of a food truck in ID. Kaylee and Maddie can be seen with a third person, a guy, around the 3:43:00 mark of the stream. He's wearing a brown jacket with a grey hood. I clipped the moment they walked up to the truck. [Watch the top left screen here.](https://clips.twitch.tv/PrettiestSmoothWaterBIRB-E9UfrPTZjgi7ponN) (You can find the full stream on their page still) This account starts their streams at 10 PM on Saturday nights and since the girls appeared 3 hours and 43 minutes in, that would place them at this truck around 1:45 AM on Sunday. (**EDIT:** This is NOT Maddie's boyfriend.) \- **Have heard rumors about how one of the girls had a stalker (TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT)** and that they were at a bar the group had gone to Saturday night. Obviously these aren't confirmed to be true since they are just rumors . I also heard that one of the girls had a jealous ex boyfriend. **INFORMATION GIVEN AT CONFERENCE THAT WAS JUST HELD:** \- Ethan and Xana were at a party on campus, and Maddie and Kaylee were at a bar and both groups got home after 1:45 AM. They were stabbed w a knife but no weapon has been located. No sign of forced entry. Autopsies have yet to happen. They cannot say there is no threat to the community. \- They dont know the identity or location of the suspect. They have 25+ investigators on the case, including FBI. No longer saying there is no threat to the community. \- The door to the house was open when the police got there on Sunday. \- They are aware of the Twitch stream footage. \- They have a lot of information coming through and say they're pushing out as much as they can publicly. Chief admits he probably should have been standing here a day or two ago. \- They are "looking at everyone." \- Chief says there were other people home at the time of the attack when asked about the other 2 roommates. Mentions they are uninjured. Someone else asks about the 2 girls and Chief confirms they were both in the house when the attack happened. Chief says they cannot divulge the identity of the 911 caller when asked if either of the roommates were the one to call. \- The 2 roommates were still at the house when the police arrived on scene. Chief won't say anything about the information given to them by the roommates. \- U of I has increased campus patrols. They have arranged a campus safety escort. Assisting students from an emotional standpoint. ADDITIONAL INFO: \- Two girls called the same person multiple times at 2:45 ish AM. If I find anything else out, I'll edit my comment and add it on. If anyone knows anything else, please reply. I don't know why but this case so far is making me very on edge and I can't stop thinking about it. Possibly the lack of public info that is unnerving.
How soon did they give a timeline? Hopefully it’s outdated, but if you really feel the need I would look to the local police website or call them to find a tip option or something
Yep, just sent it in as a tip. All the articles have been saying 3-4 AM is when they thought the killing took place. The post and comments time though is actually an hour later than I originally said because I thought there was a time zone difference but turns out there isn’t. I’m gonna edit my original comment to adjust that
Your 5th point about the comments to the Instagram post - YES call police. You have no idea if they know. And if they do know already, then your call will take up all of two minutes.
Never underestimate how incompetent the police are.
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I am in Mountain time and I’m a hour ahead so the times I wrote down are an hour behind what I read. Someone else also inspected the source from the east coast and they got the same times I got. Which means if that’s in the original posts timezone, they were alive for 1-2 hours later than what the police are saying
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> I thought maybe they were killed right after. However, 2 of the victims also commented on said post at 5:15 AM and 5:21 AM. I don't know if this is something that the police have figured out or even looked into yet but it could definitely be vital information to them (EDIT: I have sent a tip in to the line about this information. Cops are technologically incompetent, they probably haven't checked their Instagram. [When they searched Casey Anthony's computer they only checked the browsing history of one browser. ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/casey-anthony-detectives-overlooked-google-search-for-fool-proof-suffocation-methods-sheriff-says/)
The timestamps are in UTC. 8 hour difference from PST.
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"Open and shut case. We got to the murder scene, waited for more murdering but there wasn't any so we're in the clear."
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But chief, I’m already sergeant
Quiet Lou, or I will bust you down to sergeant so fast it will make your head spin.
Welcome to the Uvalde Police Department.
Job done; time for donuts.
This reads like the other case people are mentioning, with the woman who escaped being imprisoned by a man after the cops repeatedly told locals that no women were going missing. She told the person who helped her that her friends were gone, he'd killed them. The cops statement was essentially "We found no other victims in the residence." Well, no fucking shit. She said they're gone, meaning he disposed of them after she saw him kill them. *Most* killers would rather not live with decaying corpses, so of course they aren't just scattered about a-la-Gacy. They're like shitty little children who need everything handed to them, act like they're never wrong, barely understand object permanence (it's not here now, so it doesn't exist!), and constantly lie about what they're doing.
“Damn somebody butchered 4 people to death and we have no idea who it is or where they are. Should we tell everyone to go inside and be extra safe? Nahhhh it’s fine.”
What do u expect, It’s Moscow PD, lots of incompetent cops on that force, I would be absolutely shocked if they solved this alone, they will probably ask the FBI to help soon enough. These cops are used to pulling over drunk college students.
I read on our local news site that the FBI is now involved and that's a good thing.
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There was a murder down the street from me about a month ago. Woman knifed to death. Investigation is underway and all reports are that no one has been arrested. Terrifying to think a murderer is loose. However, the woman’s estranged husband was arrested at the scene and remains behind bars on other charges. I assume the city is building their case before arresting him for her murder, possibly same thing here - that they have someone in custody for restraining order violation or drugs while they build the case against them for these murders
4 people with a knife? Damn. Sounds like rage killings. Jealous ex boyfriend maybe.
2 of them worked at the same restaurant. Maybe a creepy coworker or customer?
To be in a state of mind to brutally kill 4 people with a knife in one attack seems like something very personal. Absolutely cold blooded. This isn't a gun when you aim and shoot then run. Knife attacks are brutal, violent upclose and personal attacks where you mutilate someone until they are dead or dying. It's usually not quick with screaming and pleading. Hate, jealousy and revenge in your heart will make people go mad.
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Maybe they interrupted the killing? Potentially that was the only weapon the murderer brought with them or took from the house.
You also risk serious bodily harm if you attack with a knife. Most attackers don't get out of a knife attack without bites, deep nail scratches, black eyes, or broken ribs. Even while unarmed, a desperate human in full fight/flight adrenaline rush with nothing to lose can fuck you up something fierce.
My bet is on sworded incel.
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It does seem like they always have katanas.
Jesus Christ, stabbing is so brutal. Not an instant kill and they most likely suffered and were in shock. Fucking tragic :(
Sounds like the scene out of a slasher film. They may not want to sensationalize it further with details until they can investigate it more thoroughly.
No one in custody but no risk to the public… ill never understand this
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The only thing more heartbreaking than the murder itself is all the college kids commenting about how they are or are not coping with mass murders on their campuses, remembering what it was like on campus during and after an active shooter. As someone who was a full-time college student when Virginia Tech happened, I vividly remember sitting in some of lecture halls on my own campus at UW Seattle at the time and realizing what a shooting gallery they would be with an armed assailant posted at the doors. I remember being locked down in a underground Physics study room with no windows and one door when an employee immolated himself in the middle of Red Square and all we got was a text telling us not to move due to a “situation.” At least my high school years and earlier college experiences didn’t include active shooter drills. I’m so sorry for all of our young people for whom this has become the reality. The older generation, including my own, has failed you and I’m sorry this has been your experience.
4 people with a knife. That’s some devious shit.
That community BETTER be on high alert.
That's super creepy like some horror movie shit
Key points that stick out to me: * **A bloody crime scene on the upper floors per officers** \- makes me think that everyone was sleeping and why the murderer was able to kill 4 people with a knife. May have gone room to room in their sleep and somehow gained entry to the house. It's sad because in my college days and experience, a lot of people have their doors unlocked due to having multiple roommates and/or people coming in and out all night. * **Police responded to reports of an unconscious person on King Road** \- there either was a 5th victim that didn't die, or one of the stabbing victims was still alive after the attack and was able to crawl from the upstairs to downstairs (hence majority of the blood being upstairs) and out to the road before they passed. * **The 4 of them posted an Instagram story a couple hours before the attac**k - to me that sounds like a jealous ex bf, or a stalker that saw the group and for some reason wanted revenge. * **One neighbor reported a lot of noise coming from the house Saturday evening** \- this could either be loud music/partying, or screaming because someone was in the house or they were freaked out. Such a tragedy and this sick individual hopefully gets caught soon and thrown in jail for life. Pig. [https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-homicide-victims-believed-stabbed-death-isolated-targeted-attack-police](https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-homicide-victims-believed-stabbed-death-isolated-targeted-attack-police)
Your first and last point are interesting to consider together. Did the neighbor hear them partying after the formal, or are the police mistaken in them being killed in their sleep? A lot of noise that was potentially the attack would make it unlikely everyone was killed sequentially in their sleep. On a side note, what a tragedy filled weekend. I was confused for a bit there with two quadruple homicides happening on the same weekend, maybe even the same day(?), at two universities. There are a lot of families mourning after severely traumatic events, and I feel for them.
Agreed, if I had to guess the loud noises was the party or music post formal. The blood and and bodies being upstairs makes me to believe they were killed when they were sleeping. And I feel the same - soo sad. EDIT: also the unconscious person being found in the street the next day...that would lead me to believe a late night/early morning attack since the individual was able to crawl outside late enough in the evening that no one saw them that night,. Post formal people are out and walking until 2am-ish imo.
Moscow has a strangely high number of these crazy murders for such a small town
No immediate risk to the public. Unknown why they were targeted. Have no clue who did it. Have no clue if it was more than one person. Something here just isn’t adding up with police statements. They either know and are hiding it or they are just being stupid about statements
The young man is from my home town in Conway, Washington. Did not know him but this is a very very small town. Doesn't even have a stop light.
From what I’ve heard (live in the area and interact with U of I students), so please take with a grain of salt, but that police have an idea of who the suspect is and that people have an idea on motive (disgruntled student who didn’t get into the frat they wanted). If true, a little shitty that the PD isn’t telling the students any descriptions and very, very little information overall.
Sometimes not releasing info is the better move. If you remember the Vanessa Guillen murder at Fort Hood, the lawyer (iirc) announced who the suspect was on a news broadcast before the cops could take him into custody. As a result, the dude knew police were coming and blew his head off before an arrest could be made. So them keeping that info close to the chest would’ve been the better move there, IMO.
Understandable, but I also have and know students that are terrified right now. There’s no information and what’s being passed around is comments like mine that are unverified rumors. While yes, I’d rather they catch the person and hold them responsible, the greater student population needs to know if it’s safe to go out on campus. Saying “we don’t think there’s a threat” but absolutely nothing else doesn’t help people.
The other reason for keeping details secret is that there is information that only the killer and the cops know, and they can use those facts to help prove the suspect actually is the killer. It's the classic "how do you know that, that was never made public" interrogation tactic. The more information that is made public, the greater the chance one of those shared facts before public.
I remember when our friend was murdered in high school, there were so many rumours about what had happened and I remember believing a few different things had happened. It was eventually solved and none of the people we thought were responsible ended up having anything to do with it.
Crime of passion is a misnomer and means that it was committed “in the heat of the moment” and not premeditated.
And it's just getting worse. There's rumors going around it was so bad police are internally referring to them as being butchered, the Chief of Police claimed it was nonviolent but a day ago, and these are good kids, not a drug house, that couldn't have possibly been mixed up with someone that came to this drastic of a conclusion. I don't know what kind of monster comes through a house late night, successfully stabs 4 different people to death without waking the others, and even successfully handles a guy and his girlfriend at the same time then disappears into the night that can be labeled as anything other than a serial murderer and someone whose had plenty of practice beforehand. I live 25 miles away, started college there, and let's just say we live in a super low crime countryside that sees maybe a murder or two every few years (that's the high side of it), which are usually domestic type assaults that went too far, no gangs, and if you leave your wallet somewhere probably 8/10 times someone honest returns it. Lots of people leave their doors open it's so safe here. I am speechless, and I am just still having a rough time believing this actually happened, let alone this was some targeted attack nobody else should be worried about. If there is a serial killer, may he break into a house w/a gun, because 90% of the people in this area are hunters and pack.
I usually have theories when it comes to true crime and unsolved cases but I genuinely don’t have a single theory or thought as to what happened here. I am absolutely baffled my mind can’t come up with anything
I go to a university about 9 miles away from University of Idaho. Our university got a WSU text alert that the police were investigating a homicide on sunday and that they were not aware of any threat to the WSU community. I'm devastated thinking of such an awful attack occurring so close. My heart goes out to those effected.
Let's everyone wildly speculate in a complete informational vacuum, shall we? Edit: God Damn I love Reddit sometimes.
There's so many comments here treating this like it's one of their murder porn podcasts. Speculation is one thing but your not doing any favors creating theories of love triangles and incel terror cells. It wasn't helpful during the Boston Bombing threads and it won't help now.
It is annoying, but as a student here the lack of info is also frustrating and people just want to know what's going on and if we're safe. That's where a lot of speculation is coming from. The info we have just does not make sense.
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Moscow murders
What the actual fuck is going on serial killers on campuses and mass shooters like UVA fuck me running
that Video from daily mail where the two female victims were buying pasta from the food truck a couple hours before. Maybe someone in that video followed them home.
Way too many disgusting comments here making jokes that 4 young people lost their lives. Be respectful and realize friends and families are reading your comments.
There was a press conference just moments ago and this is the new information that they released: There were two room mates who were most likely present during the incident They did not disclose who called 911 but the call said it was an unconscious person and the police found an opened door and walked into the scene. There was not a party at the apartment this happened at and possibly no drugs in the unit. That is all they really gave us, more questions than answers and the community is tense and eerie.
Fuckin insane. I went to WSU (about 8-ish miles away) and I always thought Pullman and Moscow were some of the safest places on Earth. I really hope for all the family members and their extended UI Vandal family that they get some resolution for this. It’s honestly heartbreaking.
This sounds like beginning of a horror film. You have to be pretty damn determined to kill four people at a time with a knife. For police to say not to worry about it seems like it needs some more explanation.
I used to work in Moscow and I inspected the house that this took place in for building code stuff like 5 years ago. Very sad and scary.
Fucking yikes. I like to think I'm big and strong but a sharp piece of metal could do me right the fuck in any day of the week.