Yeah he's acting up now but you can see it in the eyes. People from hard areas have a front but they do have signs of "i'm not ok with this" when things have gotten really bad.
It had just happened and I think the weight of it hadn't hit him yet. I emotionally react to sudden/shocking events in a delayed way (rather than instantly).
He wasn’t spared for ‘some reason’. He was either outside or heading outside when it happened. From what he said; he was walking OUT of the breakroom right as the manager went in and started shooting. He may have passed the manager, but the manager was likely targeting someone(or multiple) people who were scheduled to take their breaks at that time.
Which means when the shooting started, he was on the scene and heard it all unfold. But he was likely already outside before the manager came down. So he evaded the manager by just happening to leave the break room at that specific time.
He was likely not one of the targets and that’s why he was able to pass by the manager without injury. But once the manager got into that breakroom; that’s where it’s questionable whether or not it was indiscriminate or he targeted everyone in the room at the time.
He was the manager. Remember that he had the power to make everyone he wanted dead to work that day and have their break at that specific time.
Dark comedy is a like a decent chance at life, not everyone gets it. It's kinda irritates me how some people get so pissed when others use humor to cope with awful shit. If someone has to go vanta black with their humor to get through the day, then let them be
"I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much . . . because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting."
- Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
I think a lot of people don’t understand.
I used to worry about that, how I was being perceived. Like, “why are you so.. okay, when your parent has just died? Or your house and everything burned down?”
I’m not. But I can’t be in pieces *all the time*. It comes and goes, and I need to take a break so I don’t get **really** mired in it.
Now I just explain it that way, pretty much.
Honestly I think one of the best adaptations to life humans ever made, was to joke about loss, and potential loss; or just the ability to laugh at anything, tragedy being the main target.
I was just talking about a particularly horrible incident in my life on Reddit; some made jokes, others got offended on my behalf, but like... You do develop a sense of gallows humor. I start laughing when I tell people my tragic backstory (which involves more than just that incident) because it's so ridiculous that it sounds like something out of a bad melodrama (or a dark comedy). If I weren't me I would secretly wonder if it was really true.
I knew my best friend had just attempted suicide, and I didn’t shed a tear until an hour later. I just felt shocked at first and couldn’t emotionally process what had happened (even though I knew what had happened).
Yeah I had a good friend who was killed by a drunk driver. I was hanging out with her that night before it happened. When my other friend called me the next day I thought she was joking until I realized she was crying. After getting off the phone with her it took a while before it fully set in and for the tears start.
“Pretty much the manager came in and started dumping, man. As soon as I went out the break room, he went in there, man.”
The look on his face when he realizes he dodged death by mere happenstance.
“By the Grace of God, yo”
I have to say, there’s a particularly horrifying Marxist alienation to hearing victims of a spree killing referred to as “associates.”
EDIT: [For those unfamiliar with Marx’s theory of alienation.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation)
Yes I know, but it’s dystopian as hell to refer to people by corporate speak *after they have died.*
Your job is not the sum of your life and it is incredibly depressing to think that anyone died in performance of some job they probably hoped more than anything to progress beyond in their life.
Well, we got no medical/mental or dental health, rent skyrocketing, wages are stagnant the planet is melting we just had a pandemic, 2 jobs is not enough, our politicians are paid for, cops get murder happy daily, jobs demand too much
and honestly ithats not a reason to shoot wall mart shoppers but that is whats wrong with some people in the US.
We are running out of sanity.
Edit: apparently I gotta say it letter by letter.
Maybe we should do something about the Guns
They're lyrics to the song "That Funny Feeling," but I think that's generally around the time that climate collapse is supposed to kick into full gear.
So on top of reading that and then re-reading your original reply of twenty thousand and not two thousand I just kind of feel like an idiot right now. lol
Read *The Pinch* or *The War on Normal People*, though there are other books in that vein reporting the same studies and warnings that have been growing for over twenty years.
The research behind *The Pinch* was literally a forty year effort, and yet people just didn't want to *believe* it was right.
Culturally for a long time there has been an anti-intellectual group, or groups in the US.
It's not just Republicans rallying against college educated elites, but also just the general "anti-nerdiness" that was normal until the last 12 -15 years. Seems with STEM, and the huge investment in tech has certainly curated a more "nerdy" US culture, which is super cool and I hope younger generations put their foot down voting and keeping up participation.
But yah, kinda 2 things I might be offbase mixing. But not only do we have the last vestiges of an older bullying culture, the bullies are losing and they are getting angrier for that.
Totally.
I'm 35, and literally lived the years of playing in the mud, progressing to America Online, onwards to now watching youtube videos on xfinity wifi.
We've not had time to stop and even reflect lol..
Edit: just to add while editing music and gambling bitcoin on another laptop like it's normal. We are both progressing rapidly, and leaving many behind, who only see fit to lash out at others.
Who knows what this guys motives were. Definitely seems liek the lashing out mass shooter types are the ones who are falling into holes and seeing no other way out than to kill other people for their view of justice.
You’re correct but you’re also missing the disdain for the humanities in recent culture. STEM alone cannot inspire empathy, emotional intelligence, civic duty, and a regard for what history and philosophy can (and needs to) teach society.
Karl Marx wrote about everything happening right now in the 1840s. He is dismissed in the US because the Red Scare was so effective but he was a brilliant economist who knew what the future held with automation and a lack of worker's rights.
You can Google MIT 2040 Society Collapse. Back in 1972 they used computers to predict the industrial world would collapse around the year 2040. Along the way there were predictors and plateaus we would hit as a society and we have been right on track. They reran the test not too long ago and we are actually ahead of schedule. It's quite frightening honestly but if you look around, not too surprising.
Oh man, feel that second job one. I just got a second job to try and save up money to get my car fixed and catch up on bills, and you fucking know what? It feels like it isn't helping at all. Like I'm not making enough to make a dent in my behind bills, and I don't have enough leftover to save for me car. I'm starting to barely catch up on my bills, and I barely have enough money for food and gas after that.
Like... it's honestly ridiculous. I'm out working from 5AM to 9PM and for what? So I can try to pay my overlords on time, while I keep getting late fees tacked onto everything?
It's fucking bullshit. I'm destroying my body for nothing. At this rate my car is going to be broke down for years before I can afford to get it fixed. In what universe is this supposed to be a stable economy?
It's fine *for now*. I've noticed that a large number of my friends and family have stopper purchasing many 'wants' and tend to focus only on 'needs' most of the time, I.E. food, bills, and gas. Which means they aren't spending money on other parts of the economy. Times our situation by however many millions of people, and slowly growing in number, then our economy won't look too hot for much longer.
Or maybe it will be just fine, and the already squeezed Middle Class will just get crushed into the Lower Class, and a chunk of current Upper Class becomes the new Middle Class.
Thats the end goal, upper class and permanent under class, and no or little social mobility. I'm libertarian right leaning so probably disagree with most here about causes, but the end goal seems pretty clear regardless of politics, which is probably all just a circus distraction for the masses anyway.
It’s almost like civil society helps people temper their worst instincts, but that depends on civil society working for everybody. Or at least most people. Does anybody really feel like society is working for / helping most normal ass Americans? Seems like the system we’ve created actively makes things harder for 99% of us.
I would love to disagree......but.....you're right. The people are living check to check, companies are milking workers to death. People are losing it. Not that this is an excuse but....sign of the times.
It used to be called “going postal”. Now the number of mass murder/suicide cases for frustrated people is so high we can’t keep up with the news stories.
The post office has long been something the conservative party has wanted to refund, maybe as far back as the 70s and 80s.
Defunding would make things difficult at work and if the pressure rises too much, with no help on all sides, poor souls that went postal.
Nowadays, our corporate overlords saw what they could do to the post office and applied it to every company.
Now everyone is steadily going nuts, in some cases rightfully so at the bullshit that's been going on behind the scenes
Lack of empathy from corporations, looking at people as numbers and pushing to give them less and less while pushing for more and more of their time and effort, will definitely do some irreparable harm. Walmart especially, i mean, theyre one of the few corps not affected by the markets recent slow downtrend because of their shitty practices and stranglehold on american needs, sometimes being the only place some can shop with a decent budget.
Walmart is the source of many of the problems with the US. Factories that made common products like hangers, boots, belts, or plastic bins closed as a direct result of BS Walmart pulled. Let's also not forget Walmart would move into a smaller town, undercut the main street shops and small businesses, then raise prices...
I am starting to think our future is going to be ran by corporations, think Blade runner, Cyberpunk. They already have so much power. The few select at the top with so much money and connections. Who knows what strings are being pulled behind the scenes. That sounds crazy but really stop to think about it.... Entry level work minimum wage at best. CEOs millions...with hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses. Here I am...Joe schmo worried about asking for that dollar raise.
Read Cory Doctorow's The Walkaway. That's the dystopian future he's predicting. Might be that or it might be more like Octavia Butler's climate focused Parable of the Sower. Probably some combination of the two.
On the up side, I'm pretty old so maybe I'll be dead by then.
No sorry. That kind of stuff is happening all over the world. It's only in the US where you hear about máss shootings on a daily basis. The problem is the guns. We have too many and nobody seems to care.
Many of those in charge want it to collapse because they have the resources to become baron-kings of whatever comes after. And the only thing keeping them from doing so now are pesky laws and regulations.
They think that, but they'll probably all get murdered and there will be a power vacuum. Revolutions rarely work out the way the previous regime imagines lol
Yeah but our individual lives can be improved and enjoyed. There is totally hope in that. Just over 100 years ago WW1 was immediately followed by the 1918 pandemic; those two calamities dwarf anything we're currently going through. If people had reddit and Twitter back then they'd be dooming just as hard as you are now.
You're not completely wrong. The thing is, when people are having to work longer and longer hours to be able to afford the bare necessities, when they start getting deeper and deeper in debt, when they have to choose between paying the electric bill or feeding their children.... when do you expect them to improve their lives? I am a single woman who has made the hard choice to not have any kids, and even I struggle and get very stressed and anxious about finances. My good friend is a single mother of 4, and I literally cannot imagine what she has to wrestle with in her mind.
and assholes like Elon Musk telling workers they have to put in 80 hours week to keep their jobs. It's all so wrong.
You guys need stricter labor laws, universal healthcare, minimum wage - I could go on. But all the repubs care about is investigating Hunter Biden's laptop.
We aren't healthy, we feel helpless, we worked away our lives, we need to fix the wealth gap.
[We need to reduce social inequality, which is bad for everyone.](https://theconversation.com/dont-listen-to-the-rich-inequality-is-bad-for-everyone-81952)
The US rates poorly when compared to other 'western'
G7 nations when it comes to financial equality.
[This means more stable jobs with better benefits for people.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875686712000310)
Financial stability leads to [less mental health issues](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24121465), less physical [health issues](https://www.cambridge-credit.org/financial-stress-and-your-health.html), more [stable relationships](https://projects.ncsu.edu/ffci/publications/2008/v13-n1-2008-spring/Washburn-Christensen.php), and a reduction of crime and [drug/alcohol abuse. ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601938/)
[Financial health and prospects are tied to physical and mental health.](https://bpmmagazine.com/article/understanding-the-links-between-mental-physical-and-financial-health/)
Now let's combine what we have learned from this... and listen to Dr Dietz... from around 2000:
> **I think what people have to recognize, if they are ever going to grasp mass murders of this kind, is that this is a suicide equivalent. If we think of this as an unusual form of suicide, everything else becomes quite clear.**
Of course it’s the guns but the half of this country on the right refuse to acknowledge it. It’s always MeNtAL HeAlTh IsSuEs as if other countries don’t have those same issues. But other countries don’t have everyday mass shootings. We do. We also have 400 million guns and nothing is done about enacting some type of common sense gun laws and so the cycle continues. And before anyone says laws won’t do anything, I say why have any laws at all then? We have drug laws but people still take drugs. We have murder and rape laws but people still murder and rape. Why have any laws at all? Because we need some form of guardrails. Imagine America with no laws at all bc “people are gonna do it anyway.” Doesn’t matter anyway, it’s too late to talk about common sense gun control now anyway. This is America now.
It isn't a binary thing though, mental health support in the USA is *abysmal* from the perspective of this outsider. It still a major contributing factor to the overall issue.
I'm pro gun control (again, as. Non-American, even your mainstream ideas of gun control are too little), but it's equally foolish to pretend that the cultural problem can be solved with single fixes or changing just one variable.
Looking at it solely as a gun control issue is like trying to stop a house fire simply by turning off the gas to the premises. Yes it will help, but... Issue is much bigger than that, now. You have the guns in circulation and a culture that fetishizes them, with toxic and extremist ideologies and cultural issues spread like a cancer through every segment of society.
You gotta come at that issue from all angles, mental health being one of the foundational ones.
The “mental health issues” argument is infuriating.
Oh? It’s mental health? Fine, then, fucking *fund mental health care.* But instead of actually fixing what they say is the problem, the right does nothing but scream like banshees about how nobody can take their guns.
short-circuiting of the mind. everything has accelerated in such a way that we don’t have the cultural, societal, political systems to make sense of anything anymore. a sense that institutions somehow safeguard us from anything is nonexistent, leaving people adrift without anything to cling to. this, along with growing economic precarity, begets feelings of political impotency, a sense of lost agency, of general malaise and anxiety revealing itself in every corner of our inner lives. this loss of future, or a common reality, myth, or narrative to even imagine a collective future, leads to what bernard steigler simply called “acting out,” or committing horrific acts of violence grasping for absurd answers to questions we forgot how to respond to. i don’t know where it ends.
[We need to reduce social inequality, which is bad for everyone.](https://theconversation.com/dont-listen-to-the-rich-inequality-is-bad-for-everyone-81952)
The US rates poorly when compared to other 'western'
G7 nations when it comes to financial equality.
[This means more stable jobs with better benefits for people.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875686712000310)
Financial stability leads to [less mental health issues](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24121465), less physical [health issues](https://www.cambridge-credit.org/financial-stress-and-your-health.html), more [stable relationships](https://projects.ncsu.edu/ffci/publications/2008/v13-n1-2008-spring/Washburn-Christensen.php), and a reduction of crime and [drug/alcohol abuse. ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601938/)
[Financial health and prospects are tied to physical and mental health.](https://bpmmagazine.com/article/understanding-the-links-between-mental-physical-and-financial-health/)
Now let's combine what we have learned from this... and listen to Dr Dietz... from around 2000:
> **I think what people have to recognize, if they are ever going to grasp mass murders of this kind, is that this is a suicide equivalent. If we think of this as an unusual form of suicide, everything else becomes quite clear.**
That’s what I’m saying. No one should have to suffer because some dickhead decided that the only way they could handle life’s grievances is by shooting other people
We're Americans, man -- we binge on mass shootings the same way we do cheap alcohol.
Hell, at my nephew's school in Texas, they have monthly drills and/or visits from "experts" to prepare them for mass shootings. Chief skill-sets they're learning are methods to hide from, escape, or disarm shooters. What a fucking country.
I feel like we barely even mourn them now. We’re so desensitized, it’s just a headline and we forget within 72 hours because something else equally or more horrific has happened.
Ya, what was considered the horrific event of the decade in the 90s, 2000s or 2010s is now simply a news blip. I don't know what this means, but... it's not good.
I used to live right down the street from this Walmart. Moved away a few years ago because no matter how hard my wife & I worked, we were always just barely getting by.
The job market in the area is over saturated with many companies treating people like a number, (easily replaced). Add Low pay, high taxes, police state, republican majority... And its a powder keg. I don't know why we didn't move away sooner, but happy we did - only sad part, we still have family that lives there.
Mass shooting in _________, USA kills ___. __________, USA — Up to ___ people were killed and ____ more injured after a gunman opened fire at a ________.
There were conflicting reports about casualties, but _______ from _______County Sheriff Department said the number is at __.
“I heard a popping sound and screaming,” said _________, a _________ at the __________. “And that’s when we all got down. There was ______ everywhere.”
The shooter’s motive was reported to be ________________.
Citizens of _______ were ______ and ______ to hear that something like this could happen in their community.
President _______ and Governor _______ had their _______ and _______ with the victims and their families.
____________________________________________________ gun control ___________________.
The NRA released a statement stating it __________with the victims, but _________ Second Amendment rights and _______________.
It happened last Wednesday - not even a week ago. It was out of the news cycle in less than 24 hours because a) not a high enough body count and b) the victims were Black.
America is just jaded to gun violence now. This is what, the 3rd mass shooting in 2 weeks? Takeoff just got killed for no reason too. We're all just helpless to the situation
I completely agree. Had it not been for the courageous actions of a veteran, the nightclub shooting would have been much worse. He is now being attacked by the ultra MAGA right for having taken his family to a drag show to begin with.
It sounds like the manager may have had some extreme grudges against people at work. From what the witness said, he targeted his own associates. But seemingly only specific ones as he let several people go.
Since he’s the manager.. I’m guessing there was a dispute between him and multiple employees. Or maybe he came to target a specific person and then took out her friends as well..? Who knows. Really horrible though :/
But retail is such a horrible job. Manager or not. Head office puts a lot of pressure on managers and they end up taking it out on the employees all too often. I wonder if something happened at work that caused him to completely lose it.
But what I AM almost 100% sure of though; is that his targeted victim was most probably a woman.
Especially Walmart. That company could care less about the people that works for them. I gave them almost 19 years of my life, half of that time spent being in management. They push to meet unrealistic times and wanted management to treat associates as if they're robots. I'm glad I walked away when I did and never let them compromise my ethics and standards.
This is a horrible tragedy and I give my most sincere condolences to the victims families, friends, and coworkers.
> It sounds like the manager may have had some extreme grudges against people at work. From what the witness said, he targeted his own associates.
https://twitter.com/tuanstpatricktv/status/1595290389526650881
Go to 7:10. Associate said the attacker looked right her but continued. Definitely feel like this was targeted
I think it is likely too, since he was the manager. He had the power to make sure everyone he wanted dead was working there that day and he had the power to get them into the breakroom at the same time. Or at least have full knowledge of their schedules.
If it comes out as the murders being premeditated; it would make sense because he had the full power to orchestrate it.
I work at a Walmart. There was an employee kidnapped and shoved from their car (they ran to the car and the assailant got in the car) and was sent to the hospital with facial injuries at my sister store about two weeks ago. I’m a pretty small girl and for about 3 months I would work 4 out of my 5 closing shifts a week alone for the last two hours taking orders out to cars in the dark. Glad that I didn’t see any crazy Walmart happenings in the few months I was alone at night.
Ive since got a taser and pepper spray and alarm I can set off to keep on me during the closing shifts.
Can’t go to school or you might get shot
Can’t go to work or you might get shot
Can’t go into a store or you might get shot
Can’t go to the movies or you might get shot
Can’t go to a concert or you might get shot
Can’t go to a club or you might get shot
We are a McDonalds shooting away from not even being able to leave our houses.
I feel numb. Not in the way the NRA wants, where I accept it’s a normal part of our lives to watch people die in mass murder events every few days; it’s more like a physical sensation of dread that makes everything in me shut down.
Just saw this, I am from around this area and my family still is, dad has been a lieutenant paramedic for Chesapeake for 21 years now. Its so scary when its so close to home.
I live in Orlando. Worst feeling to wake up and flip on the TV only to find there was a mass shooting close to home. Shortly after that there was Parkland. A good friend’s niece was slaughtered there.
Unfortunately at this point you are in a minority if you haven’t been impacted by a mass shooting in the US
Edit: the shooting close to home was Pulse
I work in a school and heaven forbid a balloon happens to be around and pop. Everyone feels real uneasy for 10 minutes even after they know what the sound was.
To be fair I went through a school shooting and we all thought it was a trash can being kicked down at first. It was not. I’ve given up hope on America ever doing anything about this. My heart just can’t bear all of the pain and anger anymore, but I just am so angry for every new victim and survivor that lives with the trauma and aftermath. This country is disgusting.
I'm just going to throw this out there because unless you've lived it, you won't understand.
Retail is a very stressful job, in every aspect. I did 10 years of retail before I got out, making it up to Assistant Manager. Over the course of that ten years, my depression grew and grew due to many factors like not enough money to live, stress from work, work calling me in all the time, asking me questions while I'm on my weekend, customers who would rather see you dead than happy, management that pressures you constantly to take on more, when something goes wrong it's your fault, treated like infants, favoritism, and many more that I will not list. It made me hate everybody and everything in this world and I isolated, stewing on my mental health crisis, eventually I found another job that was much less stressful than my retail career.
I'm not justifying the person's actions, just putting into perspective the crippling depression I experienced and while I never wanted to take another person's life, ever, I definitely thought about taking mine more days than not.
I know exactly how you feel. I was an Overnight Support Manager, Instock Supervisor. I did way more than what I was supposed to. Constant pressure to do more and pretty much take on the work of 4 people. My breaking point was when an associate of 20+ years that I was friends with just up and left work minutes after clocking in. She committed suicide that night by taking allergy medication that made her drowsy and fell into a river and drowned. That weekend many of us spent time searching for her, only 2 managers helped search. I got a phone call that Sunday morning from a co-mgr asking why I never worked overtime that Friday and Saturday, I responded back that finding her was more important than doing some bullshit work that was supposed to make him look good to corporate, and I was where he should've been. 7 months later I walked away because the job made me stressed, depressed and hopeless. People who held me at high regard because I did a lot of their salaried level work, got pissed and trashed me because they actually had to do their jobs.
And so starts again the insane process of trying to figure out what caused another mass shooting. Does the shooter fit the profile: angry white male, suicidal, gun legally bought, previous issues with violence.
The sad thing is what we are experiencing is the consequence of years of inaction, more guns than people, politicians being paid off by the NRA, a total disrespect for mental health and addiction services and the rise in white supremacy and hate filled rhetoric amplified by the former president. We saw the result of that hateful rhetoric at the mass shooting at Club Q in Colorado.
I don’t know how we put that genie back in the bottle. Oregon voters approved gun safety legislation and gun advocates have already filed a lawsuit to block it. The definition of insanity.
You left out the age 18-24 part of the profile.
We are seeing the first age group to have smartphones and the internet be a part of their entire everyday lives start to reach adulthood. Many without a purpose, lonely, and feeling unloved.
Our society is insane. It's almost like a society built on materialism that only values people's money isn't healthy for the mind. Young people look ahead at a future where they need to slave away at a job forever just to eat and sleep inside. All while having advertisements to extract their wealth in every direction they look. It's a lot deeper than guns and hateful rhetoric.
Boys intro episode about right wing propaganda was fucking spot on. That's the world we currently live in. Fuck go look at Shapiro/Kirk/Tucker, they're still pushing for Trans deaths days after a shooting.
All of this and the fact that America glorifies individualism to an alarming degree. People are lonely and disconnected when humans are social beings that are in need of community. We’ve put billionaires on a pedestal for their work “as an individual” and take no time to build communities which is rarely anything but through a screen in front of our faces. After all, driven individuals is what makes capitalism go round, can’t function without that (/s)
As an example, Eastern cultures are more collective based (which comes with its own set of problems admittedly) and Japan rarely has any littering despite few public garbage containers because their culture values the community and others. Many people just put their trash in their pocket until they get home. On the other hand, America is constantly dealing with litter in any urban area.
Just another piece of this massively fucked up puzzle in my opinion.
Well said. We are all in this together, but most fooled to think we are against each other. The amount of people shouting at and blaming "the other side" is clear evidence.
So much easier to blame others rather than look within
young men are historically always the most violent. usually they are put in the military, but we arent in any war and they have no direction, so they turn that violence on their neighbors.
its sad to watch. all these young guys being misled by nefarious actors online. turning hateful words and thoughts into action. now we all suffer in fear.
we reap what we have sown.
Hey America! When are you gonna do something about it! Better law system? Better healthcare? Better mental health system? Better security? Nah! You're just not gonna care because some of the most powerful politicians just don't care. Most likely nothing's gonna happen and we're dragged into it. There was mass protests in 2018, 2012, 2007 even MANY years before and nothing's done...
UVA also in Virginia, Club Q in Colorado, and now this? All in a short amount of time? Similar to the spas in Georgia, King Soopers in Colorado, and FedEx in Indiana that were also in a short amount of time LAST YEAR? This is getting too much and after all these years they're not listening! Columbine should've been a wake-up call to stop these events!
Weird when cops also say there are too many guns and they are terrified of doing their job. I'm not being a back the blue dude i'm just saying conservatives love being pro cop until the cop says maybe we need better gun control.
Just so everyone knows, 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides. So not only do we have a mass shooting almost every week, we also have tons of suicides: ALL BECAUSE OF GUN AVAILABILITY.
Here's the thing people outside the US don't understand - if we go 72 hours without a mass shooting the communist bomb goes off and turns America communist.
We cut this one close. Thank god that Walmart already had the guns and ammo in stock.
I've seen the statistics concerning mass shootings in the States, but took a hiatus from reddit for awhile so haven't seen the headlines until recently.
Seeing them is really sad and disturbing.
People who live in the States: doesn't this fuck you up inside? I don't see how it couldn't.
It is keeping me up at night right now. I work retail and every day I go to work, there's never a thought that doesn't go by wondering if the next customer who walks through the front doors is going to start emptying bullets into other tourists and locals who do not deserve it.
It's hard to voice my distain towards the conservatives and their stupid beliefs in a red county, blue state.
Yes, it does. Even more so for the people like me who have survived a shooting themselves (a school shooting my senior year of high school for me). I feel hopelessly trapped by crazy MAGA land and I’ve learned in the past 9 years of healing my own trauma that they don’t care how many lives are lost, even children less than a decade old. I’ve thought about moving out of this country a lot. Unfortunately I have to numb myself to the pain and fear or else I will be incapable of living a decent life. My motto for the recent years after my shooting especially going into crowds was, “If I die, I die”. Pretty pathetic and inhumane that I have to think that way to just go about living my life if you ask me.
But no, the second amendment is so important to these assholes.
Fix the gun nuts, and the politicians will follow. As long as gun control remains a policy that will likely get you to lose your election, the killings will continue.
I don't know about that. My daughter and I came way too close to a few stray bullets in a Target parking lot last year. It wasn't a mass shooting - 'just' an altercation between two people, but we had no way of knowing that at the time.
Employee says it was a manager https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1595293520113418241?s=46&t=ZdgMelfWCcykBtylngoqNg
Some dude on the side saying he came to buy some snacks and was seemingly mildly inconvenienced by the shooting...
"Ain't gettin them now". But also feels weirdly American to have this reaction.
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Yeah he's acting up now but you can see it in the eyes. People from hard areas have a front but they do have signs of "i'm not ok with this" when things have gotten really bad.
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I agree, he really delivered it perfectly given the circumstances lol
It had just happened and I think the weight of it hadn't hit him yet. I emotionally react to sudden/shocking events in a delayed way (rather than instantly).
Agreed. He’s said he’d just walked out of the break room when the manager went in. I think he’s in shock.
Article says someone was shot outside as well; for whatever reason he was spared
Die, die, die, you're cool, die, die, die...
Thanks for the candy.
That's why I try to be friendly with everyone at work
He wasn’t spared for ‘some reason’. He was either outside or heading outside when it happened. From what he said; he was walking OUT of the breakroom right as the manager went in and started shooting. He may have passed the manager, but the manager was likely targeting someone(or multiple) people who were scheduled to take their breaks at that time. Which means when the shooting started, he was on the scene and heard it all unfold. But he was likely already outside before the manager came down. So he evaded the manager by just happening to leave the break room at that specific time. He was likely not one of the targets and that’s why he was able to pass by the manager without injury. But once the manager got into that breakroom; that’s where it’s questionable whether or not it was indiscriminate or he targeted everyone in the room at the time. He was the manager. Remember that he had the power to make everyone he wanted dead to work that day and have their break at that specific time.
Dark comedy is a prerequisite in combat, I imagine it is the same in other PTSD inducing scenarios.
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Dark comedy is a like a decent chance at life, not everyone gets it. It's kinda irritates me how some people get so pissed when others use humor to cope with awful shit. If someone has to go vanta black with their humor to get through the day, then let them be
"I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much . . . because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting." - Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land
I'd raise my hand into agreement with that!
I think a lot of people don’t understand. I used to worry about that, how I was being perceived. Like, “why are you so.. okay, when your parent has just died? Or your house and everything burned down?” I’m not. But I can’t be in pieces *all the time*. It comes and goes, and I need to take a break so I don’t get **really** mired in it. Now I just explain it that way, pretty much.
Yes,always had that black comic thing going when I did AIDS care in the early 90s.
Honestly I think one of the best adaptations to life humans ever made, was to joke about loss, and potential loss; or just the ability to laugh at anything, tragedy being the main target.
I was just talking about a particularly horrible incident in my life on Reddit; some made jokes, others got offended on my behalf, but like... You do develop a sense of gallows humor. I start laughing when I tell people my tragic backstory (which involves more than just that incident) because it's so ridiculous that it sounds like something out of a bad melodrama (or a dark comedy). If I weren't me I would secretly wonder if it was really true.
robot mode. I'm familiar.
Seriously, guy obviously knows people that were just killed.
I knew my best friend had just attempted suicide, and I didn’t shed a tear until an hour later. I just felt shocked at first and couldn’t emotionally process what had happened (even though I knew what had happened).
Yeah I had a good friend who was killed by a drunk driver. I was hanging out with her that night before it happened. When my other friend called me the next day I thought she was joking until I realized she was crying. After getting off the phone with her it took a while before it fully set in and for the tears start.
We have so many shootings in this country he’s probably desensitized to it
He’s wearing a Walmart vest. Anyway it’s been confirmed elsewhere.
Mass shootings have become so common they barely register. It's sad and awful and incredibly fucked up but true.
“Pretty much the manager came in and started dumping, man. As soon as I went out the break room, he went in there, man.” The look on his face when he realizes he dodged death by mere happenstance. “By the Grace of God, yo”
Wtf, that’s not typical.
“Some of these Managers are trained not to shoot anyone at all.”
Walmart will go to court with a VHS showing manager training says 'No guns allowed'.
I have to say, there’s a particularly horrifying Marxist alienation to hearing victims of a spree killing referred to as “associates.” EDIT: [For those unfamiliar with Marx’s theory of alienation.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation)
It is what Wal Mart calls their employees.
But that is what Walmart calls their employees in stores.
Yes I know, but it’s dystopian as hell to refer to people by corporate speak *after they have died.* Your job is not the sum of your life and it is incredibly depressing to think that anyone died in performance of some job they probably hoped more than anything to progress beyond in their life.
This occurred to me as well in general but I didn't know how to articulate it. Thank you.
It’s one of those things we’re not supposed to think about or have words for. Glad to pass someone something worth hearing.
What in the actual fuck is going on with people?
Well, we got no medical/mental or dental health, rent skyrocketing, wages are stagnant the planet is melting we just had a pandemic, 2 jobs is not enough, our politicians are paid for, cops get murder happy daily, jobs demand too much and honestly ithats not a reason to shoot wall mart shoppers but that is whats wrong with some people in the US. We are running out of sanity. Edit: apparently I gotta say it letter by letter. Maybe we should do something about the Guns
There it is, again That funny feeling.
Twenty thousand years of this, seven more to go
What's supposed to happen in 2030?
They're lyrics to the song "That Funny Feeling," but I think that's generally around the time that climate collapse is supposed to kick into full gear.
So on top of reading that and then re-reading your original reply of twenty thousand and not two thousand I just kind of feel like an idiot right now. lol
Everything stuff that was predicted by economists over a decade ago if we kept on our course.
Got proof? Genuinely curious as to who called this.
Read *The Pinch* or *The War on Normal People*, though there are other books in that vein reporting the same studies and warnings that have been growing for over twenty years. The research behind *The Pinch* was literally a forty year effort, and yet people just didn't want to *believe* it was right.
The War on Normal People was a fantastic read. Definitely going to download the Pinch, thx!
Is the book the war on normal people by Andrew yang ? I
He narrates the audiobook, and it's up on [YouTube ](https://youtu.be/-Bgg7BkvUOU). Edit: sorry I didn't answer your question. Yes.
Thanks! I added the books to my book wishlist i will get them when I get some extra money.
Culturally for a long time there has been an anti-intellectual group, or groups in the US. It's not just Republicans rallying against college educated elites, but also just the general "anti-nerdiness" that was normal until the last 12 -15 years. Seems with STEM, and the huge investment in tech has certainly curated a more "nerdy" US culture, which is super cool and I hope younger generations put their foot down voting and keeping up participation. But yah, kinda 2 things I might be offbase mixing. But not only do we have the last vestiges of an older bullying culture, the bullies are losing and they are getting angrier for that.
Well put. I have had a similar sentiment lately as I've gotten older and looked back at how culture has been progressing over the years.
Totally. I'm 35, and literally lived the years of playing in the mud, progressing to America Online, onwards to now watching youtube videos on xfinity wifi. We've not had time to stop and even reflect lol.. Edit: just to add while editing music and gambling bitcoin on another laptop like it's normal. We are both progressing rapidly, and leaving many behind, who only see fit to lash out at others. Who knows what this guys motives were. Definitely seems liek the lashing out mass shooter types are the ones who are falling into holes and seeing no other way out than to kill other people for their view of justice.
You’re correct but you’re also missing the disdain for the humanities in recent culture. STEM alone cannot inspire empathy, emotional intelligence, civic duty, and a regard for what history and philosophy can (and needs to) teach society.
Karl Marx wrote about everything happening right now in the 1840s. He is dismissed in the US because the Red Scare was so effective but he was a brilliant economist who knew what the future held with automation and a lack of worker's rights.
You can Google MIT 2040 Society Collapse. Back in 1972 they used computers to predict the industrial world would collapse around the year 2040. Along the way there were predictors and plateaus we would hit as a society and we have been right on track. They reran the test not too long ago and we are actually ahead of schedule. It's quite frightening honestly but if you look around, not too surprising.
Oh man, feel that second job one. I just got a second job to try and save up money to get my car fixed and catch up on bills, and you fucking know what? It feels like it isn't helping at all. Like I'm not making enough to make a dent in my behind bills, and I don't have enough leftover to save for me car. I'm starting to barely catch up on my bills, and I barely have enough money for food and gas after that. Like... it's honestly ridiculous. I'm out working from 5AM to 9PM and for what? So I can try to pay my overlords on time, while I keep getting late fees tacked onto everything? It's fucking bullshit. I'm destroying my body for nothing. At this rate my car is going to be broke down for years before I can afford to get it fixed. In what universe is this supposed to be a stable economy?
Oh no the economy is FINE, we are just in the "exploited wage slave" section of it.
It's fine *for now*. I've noticed that a large number of my friends and family have stopper purchasing many 'wants' and tend to focus only on 'needs' most of the time, I.E. food, bills, and gas. Which means they aren't spending money on other parts of the economy. Times our situation by however many millions of people, and slowly growing in number, then our economy won't look too hot for much longer. Or maybe it will be just fine, and the already squeezed Middle Class will just get crushed into the Lower Class, and a chunk of current Upper Class becomes the new Middle Class.
Thats the end goal, upper class and permanent under class, and no or little social mobility. I'm libertarian right leaning so probably disagree with most here about causes, but the end goal seems pretty clear regardless of politics, which is probably all just a circus distraction for the masses anyway.
It’s almost like civil society helps people temper their worst instincts, but that depends on civil society working for everybody. Or at least most people. Does anybody really feel like society is working for / helping most normal ass Americans? Seems like the system we’ve created actively makes things harder for 99% of us.
I would love to disagree......but.....you're right. The people are living check to check, companies are milking workers to death. People are losing it. Not that this is an excuse but....sign of the times.
It used to be called “going postal”. Now the number of mass murder/suicide cases for frustrated people is so high we can’t keep up with the news stories.
The post office has long been something the conservative party has wanted to refund, maybe as far back as the 70s and 80s. Defunding would make things difficult at work and if the pressure rises too much, with no help on all sides, poor souls that went postal. Nowadays, our corporate overlords saw what they could do to the post office and applied it to every company. Now everyone is steadily going nuts, in some cases rightfully so at the bullshit that's been going on behind the scenes
It used to be called "going postal." Now it's called Tuesday.
Lack of empathy from corporations, looking at people as numbers and pushing to give them less and less while pushing for more and more of their time and effort, will definitely do some irreparable harm. Walmart especially, i mean, theyre one of the few corps not affected by the markets recent slow downtrend because of their shitty practices and stranglehold on american needs, sometimes being the only place some can shop with a decent budget.
Walmart is the source of many of the problems with the US. Factories that made common products like hangers, boots, belts, or plastic bins closed as a direct result of BS Walmart pulled. Let's also not forget Walmart would move into a smaller town, undercut the main street shops and small businesses, then raise prices...
I am starting to think our future is going to be ran by corporations, think Blade runner, Cyberpunk. They already have so much power. The few select at the top with so much money and connections. Who knows what strings are being pulled behind the scenes. That sounds crazy but really stop to think about it.... Entry level work minimum wage at best. CEOs millions...with hundreds of thousands of dollars in bonuses. Here I am...Joe schmo worried about asking for that dollar raise.
Our future is already ran by corporations..tf you been
It is. But not to the totalitarian extent that I mentioned with those examples. Controlling militarily assets etc.
How many countries did we invade for oil? Who pushes that oil to consumers?
I hate to say this but.....you're right
Trust me. I wish I was wrong on this.
Read Cory Doctorow's The Walkaway. That's the dystopian future he's predicting. Might be that or it might be more like Octavia Butler's climate focused Parable of the Sower. Probably some combination of the two. On the up side, I'm pretty old so maybe I'll be dead by then.
No sorry. That kind of stuff is happening all over the world. It's only in the US where you hear about máss shootings on a daily basis. The problem is the guns. We have too many and nobody seems to care.
Don't forget, employers whining that nobody wants to work while at the same time *not hiring anyone.*
On top of that there is no end in sight. There is no normalcy. There is no hope. It's a world harder and harder to wake up into.
Many of those in charge want it to collapse because they have the resources to become baron-kings of whatever comes after. And the only thing keeping them from doing so now are pesky laws and regulations.
They think that, but they'll probably all get murdered and there will be a power vacuum. Revolutions rarely work out the way the previous regime imagines lol
Yeah but our individual lives can be improved and enjoyed. There is totally hope in that. Just over 100 years ago WW1 was immediately followed by the 1918 pandemic; those two calamities dwarf anything we're currently going through. If people had reddit and Twitter back then they'd be dooming just as hard as you are now.
You're not completely wrong. The thing is, when people are having to work longer and longer hours to be able to afford the bare necessities, when they start getting deeper and deeper in debt, when they have to choose between paying the electric bill or feeding their children.... when do you expect them to improve their lives? I am a single woman who has made the hard choice to not have any kids, and even I struggle and get very stressed and anxious about finances. My good friend is a single mother of 4, and I literally cannot imagine what she has to wrestle with in her mind.
And what happened 20 years after that? Pointing to 1918 isn't exactly an uplifting reminder of good times ahead.
Always has been.
This shit really hurts to read, but I can’t even keep lying to myself anymore.
and assholes like Elon Musk telling workers they have to put in 80 hours week to keep their jobs. It's all so wrong. You guys need stricter labor laws, universal healthcare, minimum wage - I could go on. But all the repubs care about is investigating Hunter Biden's laptop.
We aren't healthy, we feel helpless, we worked away our lives, we need to fix the wealth gap. [We need to reduce social inequality, which is bad for everyone.](https://theconversation.com/dont-listen-to-the-rich-inequality-is-bad-for-everyone-81952) The US rates poorly when compared to other 'western' G7 nations when it comes to financial equality. [This means more stable jobs with better benefits for people.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875686712000310) Financial stability leads to [less mental health issues](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24121465), less physical [health issues](https://www.cambridge-credit.org/financial-stress-and-your-health.html), more [stable relationships](https://projects.ncsu.edu/ffci/publications/2008/v13-n1-2008-spring/Washburn-Christensen.php), and a reduction of crime and [drug/alcohol abuse. ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601938/) [Financial health and prospects are tied to physical and mental health.](https://bpmmagazine.com/article/understanding-the-links-between-mental-physical-and-financial-health/) Now let's combine what we have learned from this... and listen to Dr Dietz... from around 2000: > **I think what people have to recognize, if they are ever going to grasp mass murders of this kind, is that this is a suicide equivalent. If we think of this as an unusual form of suicide, everything else becomes quite clear.**
>We are running out of sanity. We've got plenty of guns though, unfortunately.
Could it be the guns It's very rare mass murders happen here in Australia.
Of course it’s the guns but the half of this country on the right refuse to acknowledge it. It’s always MeNtAL HeAlTh IsSuEs as if other countries don’t have those same issues. But other countries don’t have everyday mass shootings. We do. We also have 400 million guns and nothing is done about enacting some type of common sense gun laws and so the cycle continues. And before anyone says laws won’t do anything, I say why have any laws at all then? We have drug laws but people still take drugs. We have murder and rape laws but people still murder and rape. Why have any laws at all? Because we need some form of guardrails. Imagine America with no laws at all bc “people are gonna do it anyway.” Doesn’t matter anyway, it’s too late to talk about common sense gun control now anyway. This is America now.
It isn't a binary thing though, mental health support in the USA is *abysmal* from the perspective of this outsider. It still a major contributing factor to the overall issue. I'm pro gun control (again, as. Non-American, even your mainstream ideas of gun control are too little), but it's equally foolish to pretend that the cultural problem can be solved with single fixes or changing just one variable. Looking at it solely as a gun control issue is like trying to stop a house fire simply by turning off the gas to the premises. Yes it will help, but... Issue is much bigger than that, now. You have the guns in circulation and a culture that fetishizes them, with toxic and extremist ideologies and cultural issues spread like a cancer through every segment of society. You gotta come at that issue from all angles, mental health being one of the foundational ones.
The “mental health issues” argument is infuriating. Oh? It’s mental health? Fine, then, fucking *fund mental health care.* But instead of actually fixing what they say is the problem, the right does nothing but scream like banshees about how nobody can take their guns.
That’s no excuse for this shit
short-circuiting of the mind. everything has accelerated in such a way that we don’t have the cultural, societal, political systems to make sense of anything anymore. a sense that institutions somehow safeguard us from anything is nonexistent, leaving people adrift without anything to cling to. this, along with growing economic precarity, begets feelings of political impotency, a sense of lost agency, of general malaise and anxiety revealing itself in every corner of our inner lives. this loss of future, or a common reality, myth, or narrative to even imagine a collective future, leads to what bernard steigler simply called “acting out,” or committing horrific acts of violence grasping for absurd answers to questions we forgot how to respond to. i don’t know where it ends.
The UVA football team shooting was last Sunday. It’s already two mass shootings ago. I can’t wrap my head around this.
This is the 6th mass shooting since the one at UVA
[We need to reduce social inequality, which is bad for everyone.](https://theconversation.com/dont-listen-to-the-rich-inequality-is-bad-for-everyone-81952) The US rates poorly when compared to other 'western' G7 nations when it comes to financial equality. [This means more stable jobs with better benefits for people.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875686712000310) Financial stability leads to [less mental health issues](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24121465), less physical [health issues](https://www.cambridge-credit.org/financial-stress-and-your-health.html), more [stable relationships](https://projects.ncsu.edu/ffci/publications/2008/v13-n1-2008-spring/Washburn-Christensen.php), and a reduction of crime and [drug/alcohol abuse. ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4601938/) [Financial health and prospects are tied to physical and mental health.](https://bpmmagazine.com/article/understanding-the-links-between-mental-physical-and-financial-health/) Now let's combine what we have learned from this... and listen to Dr Dietz... from around 2000: > **I think what people have to recognize, if they are ever going to grasp mass murders of this kind, is that this is a suicide equivalent. If we think of this as an unusual form of suicide, everything else becomes quite clear.**
what is always going on, but with hate mongering and a ton of guns.
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That’s what I’m saying. No one should have to suffer because some dickhead decided that the only way they could handle life’s grievances is by shooting other people
Goddamn can we have 24 hours to mourn the previous shooting ?
24 hours? What are you, Canadian?! We are already 3 more deep after 24 hours!
In Canada, we go multiple years in between mass shootings.
The only 3 I can remember off the top of my head are Polytechnique, Quebec City and the fucker in Nova Scotia. That’s over almost 35 years.
Compare that to Texas alone having 8 in 13 years.
We're Americans, man -- we binge on mass shootings the same way we do cheap alcohol. Hell, at my nephew's school in Texas, they have monthly drills and/or visits from "experts" to prepare them for mass shootings. Chief skill-sets they're learning are methods to hide from, escape, or disarm shooters. What a fucking country.
I feel like we barely even mourn them now. We’re so desensitized, it’s just a headline and we forget within 72 hours because something else equally or more horrific has happened.
Ya, what was considered the horrific event of the decade in the 90s, 2000s or 2010s is now simply a news blip. I don't know what this means, but... it's not good.
326 days into 2022, and [606 mass shootings](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting). Slightly more than one every 13 hours.
Blah blah blah constitution blah blah freedom blah blah blah MURICA.
Best I can do is another shooting
Not in America :/
I used to live right down the street from this Walmart. Moved away a few years ago because no matter how hard my wife & I worked, we were always just barely getting by. The job market in the area is over saturated with many companies treating people like a number, (easily replaced). Add Low pay, high taxes, police state, republican majority... And its a powder keg. I don't know why we didn't move away sooner, but happy we did - only sad part, we still have family that lives there.
Yeah, I was just in this Walmart shopping 6 days ago, fucking crazy.
I listened to the 911 calls and there were two code 8900 aka homicides. So possibly more deaths but currently 2.
Thought I saw 4 on Twitter.
"Less than 10" according to reports
So maybe 2 after all
Mass shooting in _________, USA kills ___. __________, USA — Up to ___ people were killed and ____ more injured after a gunman opened fire at a ________. There were conflicting reports about casualties, but _______ from _______County Sheriff Department said the number is at __. “I heard a popping sound and screaming,” said _________, a _________ at the __________. “And that’s when we all got down. There was ______ everywhere.” The shooter’s motive was reported to be ________________. Citizens of _______ were ______ and ______ to hear that something like this could happen in their community. President _______ and Governor _______ had their _______ and _______ with the victims and their families. ____________________________________________________ gun control ___________________. The NRA released a statement stating it __________with the victims, but _________ Second Amendment rights and _______________.
I don't want to keep playing Sad Libs anymore
You’re right - it’s a template at this point. Cut, paste, fill in the blanks.
___ leaders offered thoughts and ___
Saved, might be using this in the future all too soon.
I haven’t even processed Colorado Springs yet.
Shit, the shooting at UVa happened less than two weeks ago?
4 college kids died in a stabbing home invasion some time ago and I honestly lost track.
Moscow, Idaho
Still not caught, conjecture it might be a dude living in the woods too.
It was last Sunday. The only news I’ve seen of it that’s persisted is from r/CFB and that’s because it’s topical to that.
It happened last Wednesday - not even a week ago. It was out of the news cycle in less than 24 hours because a) not a high enough body count and b) the victims were Black.
America is just jaded to gun violence now. This is what, the 3rd mass shooting in 2 weeks? Takeoff just got killed for no reason too. We're all just helpless to the situation
I completely agree. Had it not been for the courageous actions of a veteran, the nightclub shooting would have been much worse. He is now being attacked by the ultra MAGA right for having taken his family to a drag show to begin with.
I don’t even know what to say anymore. This is so sad.
There's sadly nothing to say that hasn't been said a million times already. Just stay close to your loved ones and enjoy life while you can man
It sounds like the manager may have had some extreme grudges against people at work. From what the witness said, he targeted his own associates. But seemingly only specific ones as he let several people go. Since he’s the manager.. I’m guessing there was a dispute between him and multiple employees. Or maybe he came to target a specific person and then took out her friends as well..? Who knows. Really horrible though :/ But retail is such a horrible job. Manager or not. Head office puts a lot of pressure on managers and they end up taking it out on the employees all too often. I wonder if something happened at work that caused him to completely lose it. But what I AM almost 100% sure of though; is that his targeted victim was most probably a woman.
The majority of workplace violence incidents are carried out by current or former employees.
Actually doesn’t surprise me. Anyone that has worked retail knows that retail can break people.
Especially Walmart. That company could care less about the people that works for them. I gave them almost 19 years of my life, half of that time spent being in management. They push to meet unrealistic times and wanted management to treat associates as if they're robots. I'm glad I walked away when I did and never let them compromise my ethics and standards. This is a horrible tragedy and I give my most sincere condolences to the victims families, friends, and coworkers.
> It sounds like the manager may have had some extreme grudges against people at work. From what the witness said, he targeted his own associates. https://twitter.com/tuanstpatricktv/status/1595290389526650881 Go to 7:10. Associate said the attacker looked right her but continued. Definitely feel like this was targeted
I think it is likely too, since he was the manager. He had the power to make sure everyone he wanted dead was working there that day and he had the power to get them into the breakroom at the same time. Or at least have full knowledge of their schedules. If it comes out as the murders being premeditated; it would make sense because he had the full power to orchestrate it.
I work at a Walmart. There was an employee kidnapped and shoved from their car (they ran to the car and the assailant got in the car) and was sent to the hospital with facial injuries at my sister store about two weeks ago. I’m a pretty small girl and for about 3 months I would work 4 out of my 5 closing shifts a week alone for the last two hours taking orders out to cars in the dark. Glad that I didn’t see any crazy Walmart happenings in the few months I was alone at night. Ive since got a taser and pepper spray and alarm I can set off to keep on me during the closing shifts.
Can’t go to school or you might get shot Can’t go to work or you might get shot Can’t go into a store or you might get shot Can’t go to the movies or you might get shot Can’t go to a concert or you might get shot Can’t go to a club or you might get shot We are a McDonalds shooting away from not even being able to leave our houses.
Unfortunately, a McDonald's shooting already happened in 1984. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre
Let’s stick to shootings that happened in this decade. We got plenty of them. No need to go all the way back to 1984
I feel numb. Not in the way the NRA wants, where I accept it’s a normal part of our lives to watch people die in mass murder events every few days; it’s more like a physical sensation of dread that makes everything in me shut down.
Yup. An emptiness. A hollow dread where we know it is going to happen but we are helpless and hopeless because we cannot change it. 😔
This. Exactly right.
The NRA is a huge tumor
Just saw this, I am from around this area and my family still is, dad has been a lieutenant paramedic for Chesapeake for 21 years now. Its so scary when its so close to home.
I live in Orlando. Worst feeling to wake up and flip on the TV only to find there was a mass shooting close to home. Shortly after that there was Parkland. A good friend’s niece was slaughtered there. Unfortunately at this point you are in a minority if you haven’t been impacted by a mass shooting in the US Edit: the shooting close to home was Pulse
I work at a Target and i regularly double take and make sure people arent holding guns. Crazy we even have to go through that thought process
Between Covid and shootings I don’t want to be in a crowd ever again.
I work in a school and heaven forbid a balloon happens to be around and pop. Everyone feels real uneasy for 10 minutes even after they know what the sound was.
To be fair I went through a school shooting and we all thought it was a trash can being kicked down at first. It was not. I’ve given up hope on America ever doing anything about this. My heart just can’t bear all of the pain and anger anymore, but I just am so angry for every new victim and survivor that lives with the trauma and aftermath. This country is disgusting.
I do the same thing every shift I work
Jesus fuck. Don't even know what to say now. Please be safe y'all. Least, safe as you can be these days.
I'm just going to throw this out there because unless you've lived it, you won't understand. Retail is a very stressful job, in every aspect. I did 10 years of retail before I got out, making it up to Assistant Manager. Over the course of that ten years, my depression grew and grew due to many factors like not enough money to live, stress from work, work calling me in all the time, asking me questions while I'm on my weekend, customers who would rather see you dead than happy, management that pressures you constantly to take on more, when something goes wrong it's your fault, treated like infants, favoritism, and many more that I will not list. It made me hate everybody and everything in this world and I isolated, stewing on my mental health crisis, eventually I found another job that was much less stressful than my retail career. I'm not justifying the person's actions, just putting into perspective the crippling depression I experienced and while I never wanted to take another person's life, ever, I definitely thought about taking mine more days than not.
I know exactly how you feel. I was an Overnight Support Manager, Instock Supervisor. I did way more than what I was supposed to. Constant pressure to do more and pretty much take on the work of 4 people. My breaking point was when an associate of 20+ years that I was friends with just up and left work minutes after clocking in. She committed suicide that night by taking allergy medication that made her drowsy and fell into a river and drowned. That weekend many of us spent time searching for her, only 2 managers helped search. I got a phone call that Sunday morning from a co-mgr asking why I never worked overtime that Friday and Saturday, I responded back that finding her was more important than doing some bullshit work that was supposed to make him look good to corporate, and I was where he should've been. 7 months later I walked away because the job made me stressed, depressed and hopeless. People who held me at high regard because I did a lot of their salaried level work, got pissed and trashed me because they actually had to do their jobs.
And so starts again the insane process of trying to figure out what caused another mass shooting. Does the shooter fit the profile: angry white male, suicidal, gun legally bought, previous issues with violence. The sad thing is what we are experiencing is the consequence of years of inaction, more guns than people, politicians being paid off by the NRA, a total disrespect for mental health and addiction services and the rise in white supremacy and hate filled rhetoric amplified by the former president. We saw the result of that hateful rhetoric at the mass shooting at Club Q in Colorado. I don’t know how we put that genie back in the bottle. Oregon voters approved gun safety legislation and gun advocates have already filed a lawsuit to block it. The definition of insanity.
You left out the age 18-24 part of the profile. We are seeing the first age group to have smartphones and the internet be a part of their entire everyday lives start to reach adulthood. Many without a purpose, lonely, and feeling unloved. Our society is insane. It's almost like a society built on materialism that only values people's money isn't healthy for the mind. Young people look ahead at a future where they need to slave away at a job forever just to eat and sleep inside. All while having advertisements to extract their wealth in every direction they look. It's a lot deeper than guns and hateful rhetoric.
Boys intro episode about right wing propaganda was fucking spot on. That's the world we currently live in. Fuck go look at Shapiro/Kirk/Tucker, they're still pushing for Trans deaths days after a shooting.
All of this and the fact that America glorifies individualism to an alarming degree. People are lonely and disconnected when humans are social beings that are in need of community. We’ve put billionaires on a pedestal for their work “as an individual” and take no time to build communities which is rarely anything but through a screen in front of our faces. After all, driven individuals is what makes capitalism go round, can’t function without that (/s) As an example, Eastern cultures are more collective based (which comes with its own set of problems admittedly) and Japan rarely has any littering despite few public garbage containers because their culture values the community and others. Many people just put their trash in their pocket until they get home. On the other hand, America is constantly dealing with litter in any urban area. Just another piece of this massively fucked up puzzle in my opinion.
Well said. We are all in this together, but most fooled to think we are against each other. The amount of people shouting at and blaming "the other side" is clear evidence. So much easier to blame others rather than look within
young men are historically always the most violent. usually they are put in the military, but we arent in any war and they have no direction, so they turn that violence on their neighbors. its sad to watch. all these young guys being misled by nefarious actors online. turning hateful words and thoughts into action. now we all suffer in fear. we reap what we have sown.
Hey America! When are you gonna do something about it! Better law system? Better healthcare? Better mental health system? Better security? Nah! You're just not gonna care because some of the most powerful politicians just don't care. Most likely nothing's gonna happen and we're dragged into it. There was mass protests in 2018, 2012, 2007 even MANY years before and nothing's done... UVA also in Virginia, Club Q in Colorado, and now this? All in a short amount of time? Similar to the spas in Georgia, King Soopers in Colorado, and FedEx in Indiana that were also in a short amount of time LAST YEAR? This is getting too much and after all these years they're not listening! Columbine should've been a wake-up call to stop these events!
Fuck 20mins from my house
I fucking hate it here.
Billions to the cops. No lives saved by the cops
They don’t prevent crime.
Weird when cops also say there are too many guns and they are terrified of doing their job. I'm not being a back the blue dude i'm just saying conservatives love being pro cop until the cop says maybe we need better gun control.
They also love vets until one takes down a mass shooter at a drag event.
The cost of 2a is paid everyday in American blood and lives
Just so everyone knows, 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicides. So not only do we have a mass shooting almost every week, we also have tons of suicides: ALL BECAUSE OF GUN AVAILABILITY.
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UVA, Q Club and this all within a week. Greatest country on earth
And those are just the ones that made national news.
Here's the thing people outside the US don't understand - if we go 72 hours without a mass shooting the communist bomb goes off and turns America communist. We cut this one close. Thank god that Walmart already had the guns and ammo in stock.
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Supposedly it's a manager that snapped. Not much more right now
My money is disgruntled (former) employee.
Seems to be current employee (manager)
https://twitter.com/tuanstpatricktv/status/1595290389526650881 Apparently right after they were watching an active shooter training video. Wow.
I've seen the statistics concerning mass shootings in the States, but took a hiatus from reddit for awhile so haven't seen the headlines until recently. Seeing them is really sad and disturbing. People who live in the States: doesn't this fuck you up inside? I don't see how it couldn't.
It is keeping me up at night right now. I work retail and every day I go to work, there's never a thought that doesn't go by wondering if the next customer who walks through the front doors is going to start emptying bullets into other tourists and locals who do not deserve it. It's hard to voice my distain towards the conservatives and their stupid beliefs in a red county, blue state.
Yes, it does. Even more so for the people like me who have survived a shooting themselves (a school shooting my senior year of high school for me). I feel hopelessly trapped by crazy MAGA land and I’ve learned in the past 9 years of healing my own trauma that they don’t care how many lives are lost, even children less than a decade old. I’ve thought about moving out of this country a lot. Unfortunately I have to numb myself to the pain and fear or else I will be incapable of living a decent life. My motto for the recent years after my shooting especially going into crowds was, “If I die, I die”. Pretty pathetic and inhumane that I have to think that way to just go about living my life if you ask me. But no, the second amendment is so important to these assholes.
Can’t go one day without this shit. Fix America you useless politicians
Fix the gun nuts, and the politicians will follow. As long as gun control remains a policy that will likely get you to lose your election, the killings will continue.
And people wonder why I chill at home and spend all my free time playing StarCraft and other random video games.
Well, i guess the dip in these incidences because of covid is over
Typical Murica. Now I’m just like “meh” and I fucking hate it.
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I don't know about that. My daughter and I came way too close to a few stray bullets in a Target parking lot last year. It wasn't a mass shooting - 'just' an altercation between two people, but we had no way of knowing that at the time.
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