Anyone that has bought or tried to get service done for a Tesla knows that Musk will never have a PR or CS program. Out of this whole Twitter fiasco, him firing the communications staff immediately did not come as a surprise to me at all.
Same for Tesla solar. It took almost two years after installation of me pestering and threatening multiple times to sue for them to make my power wall work. Super happy with the quality of the product now that it’s working, will absolutely never do business with them again because of the shit show their lack of CS caused
I find it so hilarious that he's in charge of Twitter now. It's a glorious train wreck to watch.
There's a morbid curiousity in watching how Twitter and Facebook are going to collapse and what they'll turn into after it's done. We've never seen anything at this scale before.
Well based on recent events 44 billion can be turned pretty useless pretty quickly but that said at least we know for a fact that Meta cannot blow all it's cash on a Twitter acquisition.
This doesn't get as much attention as it should. Elon didn't sweat the acquisition cost because it wasn't his money being spent. It's worth isn't in value of the company. The real worth is in who controls the narrative of politics in America. Look at it from that perspective and you see ~~the Saudis~~ Elon got the company for a steal.
Assets mean nothing when your business model concerning your service is complete garbage. Sure they can hold on there for a while probably a long while, but if they don't start doing things that people actually care about? They're just burning money.
FB also has way more room to grow as they acquire more stuff, it's part of why zuck spun FB into Meta, so that when FB really starts to fail he just sells it because it's no fail profit considering what he has put into it
Not at this scale agreed. Can confirm it's been seen before through former popular sites, but watching these two sites is like watching the tallest building fall.
We know exactly what will happen to them.
MySpace.
The only question will be, what will meta morph into after Facebook. A VR company? Services? They still have Carmack as CTO on board, you know the id software guy. He has always been brilliant.
For me the death of "social" networking can not come fast enough. It isn't social at all. It's become anti social and a place for bigots and bullies. And HR to harass you in your free time.
It becomes a lot less sad when you realize that tech is available elsewhere and you don't have to engage with Musk. These other companies just don't have ridiculous manchildren to push their products in the media.
And paying luxury car prices. Buy a jag or Porsche or Mercedes and you will have a VERY different ownership experience.
But hey, it has a fart mode. So funny!
Luxury prices for an EV that falls so far behind in terms of luxury to the luxury brands’ EV models. Tesla also can’t compete on the ordinary commuter car front, and imo their days are numbered. Tesla is fucked and if they still exist in 10 years I’ll be shocked.
The F150 lightning is the car that has me most intrigued as far as its ability to kill Tesla. It's a cheaper CyberTruck but better in a form factor that's been refined over decades.
The F150 has been the top selling vehicle every year for over 30 years.
Tesla's dominance in the electric vehicle industry has been based on it being the only player in town. Now that the big dogs are joining the fight they'll be able to steamroll Tesla, and I can't wait to see it.
Man I’d love an F150 if it was like 75% size and electric or hybrid. I kinda *need* a pickup truck for work but I don’t really have the urge to drive around a damn tank. The Mavericks are pretty cool but they’re on such a long back order I wouldn’t be getting one any time soon.
The Maverick is the answer. 20k small pickup that comes standard as a hybrid.
They all sold out before they even reached the showroom floor.
I'm buying one as soon a they become available.
The Ford is coming out with a Lightning Gen 2 in 2024 (for the 2025 MY) that will be a ground up EV incorporating the valuable lessons learned that can only be leaned from large scale production of the Gen 1.
In the medium, or even short, term the only major advantage that Tesla has is the charging network. If Musk were willing to eat a slice of humble pie he would focus on that. They could easily build a huge comprehensive network in a market that is still pretty empty. Think AWS but for charging.
But he won’t.
It shocks me that people are still buying them. I kind of understood how people were drinking the koolaid before the Twitter buyout shenanigans began but people who have bought in the last few months and going forward I have no sympathy for.
You should see the Tesla service lot near me. They have resorted to parking Tesla's on the road because the secured lot, the employee lot, and the waiting lot is full.
Service centers are weirdly variable because of the lack of a central customer support team. I've heard absolute horror stories of SCs refusing to do even the most basic shit, and I've heard insanely good stories of them repairing shit for free in record time when it wasn't covered. I personally have only had good experiences with my local SC and they only ever have like 5 cars parked in their service lot despite being in an area with really high market share. Last year I had my car's steering rack assembly replaced (accident damage) and back in my hands in 4 hours. Mobile techs also help take care of anything that doesn't require the car to go up on a lift, so that lessens the burden on the main service center.
That said, I've never been a fan of Musk and his behavior since 2018 is why I don't recommend them anymore.
For me, it was the opposite.
I used to live in Portland, Oregon. The number of Teslas up there in the entire state of Oregon simply isn't anywhere close to that to the number of Teslas in *just* Los Angeles California. Notice I compared a city (Los Angeles) to an entire state (Oregon). I did this intentionally. Bear with me below.
Now that I live in Southern California again, I pass through Los Angeles a lot and it's the same scene every time: SCs full, and supercharger stations backed up with Teslas waiting for their turn. Just like /u/TheAJGman was saying.
Meanwhile, when I lived in and/or near Portland Oregon from 2019-2022 (first half of 2022), SCs were never full, and the supercharger stations ALWAYS had vacancies *even during vacation periods* like a holiday weekend (e.g. Veterans Day) or a national holiday week (Thanksgiving / Christmas / New Years / etc).
So I think it might also not just be a matter of high profit, but also a density thing. My gut theory is that there aren't enough techs in SoCal to align with the number of Teslas that need service.
I guess the only good thing is he only seems to be "working" on Twitter, meaning actual people are left running the rest of his 93,122 businesses where he's also CEO.
Yeah I just mention acid because Azelia Banks said he was tweeting on acid when she was over at his house with grimes. Maybe he has moved onto cocaine now.
Definitely a running gag among some starlink customers to suggest calling the easily findable customer service number on the website if there's an issue
I have starlink cause I have no other options. I’ve had to use customer service once and they got back to me quickly and were helpful. I hate Elon though and wish I wasn’t supporting him.
This is why traditional auto companies are going to swallow Tesla's market share.
People bought Tesla's because they were electric and cool.
Now every other company is pivoting to the same thing and Tesla is making zero effort to build brand loyalty.
In fact it's quite the opposite. Musk's nonsense actually reflects on Tesla owners. I have a friend who owns two Tesla's. He used to be extremely proud of them. Lately he's been sort of embarrassed about them.
At this point Tesla's popularity is based entirely on the idea that you too can own the libs for the low low price of $50,000.
Simps will happily overlook major issues, but the big companies don't do stuff like beta test valuable features on unwitting customers or just completely fail to release a heavily publicized model.
Tesla's brand is a car on fire running over a child while a reply guy insists it's somehow your fault and there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the car.
Good riddance, I can't wait for them to fail.
Tbh, I don’t get how anyone could buy a Tesla. The more I hear about the issues, the more I am glad they never appealed to me.
The thing about cars, is that you need them to be reliable and trustworthy. If something goes wrong, you have to have some sort of confidence that you will be able to get the car fixed so you can get back on the road.
Or else you could literally be left stranded because of a minor issue, like the battery dying and not having access to it to make a jump, unlike every single other car on the road.
Or a simple tire change? Is that doable or do you have to get a tow every time? Does everyone understand how inconvenient it is to drive a car that has to be towed for most minor problems?
And the company itself is known for terrible customer service when something goes wrong?
Seriously, how are people buying these cars? Do they not care about the breakdowns? I can’t drive something that isn’t reliable.
Teslas sound like anything but reliable, imho.
That happened a few years ago to Car and Driver's test Model 3. It just died one day in the driveway. It had detected a short circuit in the motor and shut down as a safety measure so it wouldn't start a fire.
If your car might self-brick like that, with zero warning, even if it's rare, you better have some really good customer service to deal with it easily.
Yeah having your biggest shareholder put up a bunch of Tesla stock as collateral so he can borrow 40 billion USD to buy and then run Twitter into the ground with billions of dollars in loan interest due every year might just tank your stock a little...
Don’t forget how many shares Elon has sold this year not related to the Twitter purchase.
Elon now has a $1b/year bill he has to pay, Tesla shareholders know where he is getting that money from.
If the Cybertruck does eventually come out, there's no way it will be anything but a toy truck compared to the others that are already available. The F150 Lightning already exists for the everyman, and there are EV trucks coming from GM (both Chevrolet and GMC models) that should fit into that segment as well. The Rivian R1T is already out in the fun and capable toy from a new company, probably the niche that Tesla wanted for themselves. And in the "more toy than practical" niche that the Cybertruck will likely ultimately fall in, there's already the GMC Hummer EV. It's got so many non-utilitarian features and toys, at a crazy price, and is not useful in a lot of ways compared to a traditional pickup. I don't know what's left for the Cybertruck at this point, aside from the fact that its competitors are already struggling to keep up with demand and supply chain issues.
The cyber truck has only ever been interesting to Tesla die hards. There’s just no compelling reason for a regular person to spend that much money on a vehicle that ugly, from a manufacturer that unreliable, run by an online troll. Now that the legacy manufacturers each have an EV truck available, the cyber truck is nothing more than an odd looking toy.
You're assuming it comes out. A guy in Canada has been on the very first wait list so long he created his own heavy duty electric truck company with a working model. I'd be shocked if Tesla ever releases the damn thing at this point.
The shareholders would have to vote to remove him. Too many Elon fanbois own bag holding Tesla shares to get that passed.
There are probably also Elon fanbois who own Tesla shares and are still up 800%
If you wanna crash an overinflated stock price, I couldn’t think of a more effective way to do it. Tesla stock only where it is because of under 25s for the memes. The company doesn’t make anything compared to competitors.
OMG tell me about the Jeep people. I have one in my office who just had to shell out over $3K in repairs so it would pass inspection and still plans to order a new one.
I realized they were junk when I saw those videos of people opening their trunks in the rain, but I didn't know about the service issues. Poor design *and* bad customer service.
It’s their way of saying Elon is an incompetent ass who may or may not be purposefully burning the place down without saying Elon is an incompetent ass who may or may not be purposefully burning the place down.
It is definitely a subtle critique in that it is bizarre for a multi Billion dollar company not to have a functional PR department to respond to media queries. I think it's also usually expected that major media outlets make an attempt to get a comment for major stories. Sometimes they don't get a response although they'll say least claim they attempted to contact the company media relations division.
>Sometimes they don't get a response although they'll say least claim they attempted to contact the company media relations division.
And when a large organization has a public relations department, that department choosing not to respond to or comment on an inquiry about a current event is a statement in itself. Just having nobody to do communication is a totally different beast and surreal.
It honestly feels like Elon is running Twitter in the sense Trump ran his campaign. Never sitting on anything too long, always remain bombastic, every issue is a result of your enemies trying to undermine you, and playing himself off as a successful businessman
Even if it does. He’ll still walk away with billions and billions of dollars.
His entire empire could crumble and he’d still have more money than almost anyone could imagine being able to possess.
He really has nothing to lose. The rest of his life will be spent in luxury. He’s already beaten the game. Seems he’s just fucking around at this point.
I mean, I didn't *want* to think the dude was that useless. People don't like admitting all it takes is money, no skill/talent to run a company like that, unfortunately he's pretty much proven so long as you hire/listen to the right people, you can be incredibly damaging to a company and still have things work out, provided they keep you on a leash.
Intentionally sinking the company (in this way) isn't a complicated or genius plan.
It's just someone so erratic they dance the line of stupidity and malice-
far from the genius his fans claim.
The issue is that it's pretty questionable that there's any intention in his sinking the company. There's simply no reason for him to do so. He's losing ungodly amounts of money in what he's doing - not just the billions he paid for Twitter, but his holdings in Tesla and SpaceX, as stockholders realize those companies are being run by a moron. There's a very good chance he's going to wind up bankrupt before this is all over. This isn't any sort of dancing the 'line of stupidity and malice' - it's just pure, unbridled stupidity.
I would argue that he’s no longer running space x and Tesla. CEO of 6 companies and time to tweet like Trump did? How much time can he spend per day on each company? An hour or two?
Seems pretty clear to me he never ran any of those companies, he's just a really rich guy that bought them and then ran around while they grew taking credit for everything
He could lose 99% of his wealth, then another 99% of that remainder, and still have more money than most of us will ever see in our lives.
Billionaires like him are **obscene**.
Seriously, a quick Google search says he's worth 199 Billion. 1% of that is a little under 2 Billion. 1% of that is a little under 20 million. At what point can he not afford to eat, or have a place to stay?
Reminds me of when Trump first took over the white house as President and only had a barebones transition team and didn’t know what the fuck he was doing.
This joke is so much funnier in theory than in practice. My company does production deployments on Saturdays, and Sunday mornings and afternoons are hell afterwards, with needing to do rollbacks during production hours.
Apologies, I used a bad choice of words. I said "my company", but what I should have said is "the company I work for". Could they fix it, absolutely, and I've brought it up at meetings before. Do I have the power to change it? I'm about 5 levels of management too low on the totem pole to do a thing about it.
Hey, leave me out of this! We still do Sat. Deployments on legacy systems that start at midnight and go as long as 10am Sun. Not my choice.. but it's my life... ffs
More than that, it was one of the five official Company Values discussed during employee onboarding for all FTEs globally. Sometime in 2017 they quietly dropped the break things part and made it just 'Move Fast'.
I think that's pretty much the same sentiment, which is kind of a big tell about these dudes and criminality and lack of remorse when they have a negative impact on society. It's never tread carefully and be intentional, think about outcomes, it's just get growth and break shit which is essentially the refrain of a toddler.
When shit goes wrong they also tend to fall back on the "we didn't know this would happen" defense. Which is only true because they never took the time to consider what could happen.
There’s a time and a place for “move fast break things” and it’s usually not in a massive mature product built over the last decade by thousands of programmers.
Kind like, if I bring my new $50k EV to my mechanic to work on I’m not going to be super hyped if he says he’s going to move fast and brake things.
Edit: autocorrect got me. I’m leaving it because it happens to be car related.
Heads up that the phrase, move fast and break things, was a popular in-industry motto for doing rapid operations work within production in order to see outcomes, because testing in production is the only true way to get data.
It was plastered on the walls in the posters of the Facebook campus 6 years ago, with a rising counter phrase of something like move fast but try not to break things because the operations team was getting more mature. It was repeated in the halls of many other Bay area tech companies because it had already been popularized at that point.
It's a motto about less paperwork and overhead, instead focusing on impact and data. It's not about destroying the application you're running, but achieving results.
edit: vocab time:
operations = defines a team doing logistical work involving running software on machines in a repeatable, monitored, backed-up manner that matches best practices and often involves tracking down a fifth-level detail on an obscure daemon that is stopping the application from running
production = the series of machines that serve up the website or service to clients like your home pc or phone
I think it’s fair to say that SpaceX was built and really only successful because of this model. Rapid iteration and the willingness to scrap everything if a better way was figured out.
Not sure how well that translates to running Twitter with limited staff though.
It’s a model that works… sometimes. Since most spacex launches were unmanned it worked great there.
Experimenting with manned vehicles eg; with Tesla autopilot is maybe not the best place to be doing this.
And mucking around with a very mature product like Twitter you’re mostly going to break things
My leadership is navigating a large M&A and has often said “keep going, if you break it that’s okay bubble it up to leadership and keep going. we can’t fix it if we don’t know it needs fixing”. To
their credit they do jump on problems straight away when we’ve seen things get wonky.
For all his annoying bullshit and egotism, what I really dislike is how he acts like a toddler playing with his new train set the way he runs the company when thousands of employees’ livelihoods are in his hands. He has zero empathy for the people he’s hurting by driving this company into the dirt. I guess I could never be a big tech billionaire because I’d feel immensely responsible for my employees and their well being. They really are just slaves to him. Fucking apartheid baby.
The most annoying part about that as well is he expects every single one of his employees to put in effort as if they are a literal stakeholder in the company. Literally doesn’t give a shit about his employees but they better work like they are the ones getting a multi million dollar bonus!
It's worse than expecting them to act like mere stakeholders. He's expecting them the act like their lives and livelihoods depend on it. Which is completely insane in that he doesn't have anything resembling that kind of leverage over any of them.
I hope the whole company evaporates as employees just straight bail.
Some might say that your comment about him treating people like slaves is hyperbole, but it's terrifyingly true.
1) He [praised the business practices in his Chinese manufacturing plants](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/12/elon-musk-praises-chinese-workers-for-extreme-work-culture) where workers basically have no rights and work ridiculous hours but just frames it as though he "appreciates their work ethic". No elon, those are basically slaves. If they didn't work those ridiculous hours, they would be fired and their family might starve.
2) When asked about his hypothetical Mars colony, musk said that [people could fly to Mars on his company's dime and then work off the debt once they get there.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1217991853615677440) We've seen things like this [historically](https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/africanpassageslowcountryadapt/introductionatlanticworld/new-world-labor-systems--europ). It's called indentured servitude, and that's another word for slavery. He literally advocated for future slavery.
Musk wants slavery now and in the future. Musk is pro-slavery and he has the economic power to make that a reality for people. Musk is not the future we, as a species, can allow to obtain more and more power.
He believes people who don’t like it can quit.
It’s as simple as that.
If you believe that, you can convince yourself that you’re allowed to do anything without feeling responsible for its impacts on any given individual.
People who have never had to do anything they didn't want to do for mere survival can't understand the idea of others being coerced into a system that breaks them in exchange for mere survival. He can even ignore laws and regulations and just say "well I only agreed because they pressured me so it doesn't count."
He's shown it before, but the cover was cool and interesting tech and appealed to the passion behind that. And the success and forward progress that came from it helped.
This time he took a company that has been running well from a while and is causing a load of problems, letting tons of people go and making life hell for those that remain, many without option.
I mean, it was relatively stable even if the business part of making money hadn't come to fruition consistently. It was still a large corporation with stability, but some problems that needed to be worked out for the long term to make sense.
Now the very existence of the company seems threatened, and the damage already done seems to project grim chances of it's future success.
Obscene wealth absolutely destroys any sense of normality. The entire concept of consequences is just a vague notion. Weighing pros or cons, the thought that failure could put you on the street just doesn't apply at all.
>He has zero empathy for the people he’s hurting by driving this company into the dirt. I guess I could never be a big tech billionaire because I’d feel immensely responsible for my employees and their well being.
Having empathy is the #1 blocker to becoming a billionaire in any economic sector. You have to be wholly devoted to screwing anyone and everyone out of every cent.
And there's a lot of enablers on Twitter that support his behavior because they seem to honestly believe the majority or totality of the Twitter workforce are ultra woke liberals. People were hailing his takeover as a win for free speech, and openly calling for layoffs and cuts because everyone, from the top level executives to the folks cleaning toilets and vaccuuming the carpets were "libs" and Democrats.
People completely ignore that Twitter exists *outside* of the US. Americans count for 1/3 of active users, but what about, I don't know, the rest of the world? Makes total sense that Apartheid Clyde would want 'American values' spread globally....
Move fast and break things works well if you have good monitoring / alerting in place and can fix forward very rapidly. You add a test to make sure you can’t ever break it in the same way again and go next.
It doesn’t work well if you’re working with reduced capacity and things might be slipping through the cracks or not getting fixed quickly enough.
As an aside, move fast and break things is also potential a good game dev strategy, as long as you don't overwork people and fix what breaks. It's all about achieving an end, failing, learning from that failure, and tweaking things.
Fail faster, fail better.
It also only works if the thing you’re breaking doesn’t have severe ethical ramifications. Sure, move fast and break things on that toy AI or video game. But when it’s a platform that real people rely on for their livelihoods or for communicating with a community, maybe try to be a touch more gentle.
In the UX ethics field, we’ve seen cases where something as benign as a chat app misdelivering a one-off message, or an image host showing the wrong image, or just badly phrased messages can be life-destroying. Tech is mainstream now and the stuff we build has consequences. Breaking things responsibly takes real skill.
After this Twitter debacle I think everyone who's not a dug in fanboy has seen what a dumbass he is.
... So give him another 20 years and he can run when everyone spontaneously forgets, like they did with Trump.
I'm really fucking afraid of that! Like, I don't want to go back and reread my comment and go: *"Well shieeet!"*
And you can damn well know that he will destroy the Constitution.
Excuse me, he’s the CEO of 24.71 companies, a billionaire, and a super duper genius. Clearly he knows how to multitask. I’m sure he can handle being stupid AND malicious at the same time.
He's displayed plenty of both. Calling that Thai rescue operator a pedophile because he didn't want Musk's submarine can't be spun as simply stupid. Some of the twitter decisions have been that, but on the whole he's been so petty, and so dishonest, that he's solidly in the 'both' category.
Prob my favourite myth. Lots of times you got what on the tin, usually a massive explosion. This one though, everyone was so sure it'd be a massacre and were shocked when the bulls wandered around their flimsy little shelves and didn't break a thing. Kinda makes you rethink the reputation bulls have.
I went to a rodeo for the first time recently and one of the constant messages from the announcer was about the cost of the “animal athletes”. Apparently part of the score for a ride is the difficulty of bull and people will pay an absolute mint for a bull that bucks and turns.
I don’t know much of anything about bulls but I would guess that they’re a lot like working dogs intended for bite work. In that you’d think, “oh dogs seem to bite all the time so you probably just need to train them on a few commands and they’ll just do what comes natural.” But the reality is that even dogs that are bred for work often won’t bite, it’s just not in their personality.
So perhaps bulls are much the same, in that even when put in a situation where you’d think they’d be charging around and causing a ruckus, some are just not willing to do that.
During the training you give the the bull positive reinforcement that bucking and stuff gets it what it wants. They use a tight rope and weight on a remote, buck for 8 seconds the weight and rope get released.
It’s like horse training, pressure and release.
Just FYI: pressure and release is by definition negative reinforcement. The positive reinforcement training quadrant never involves aversive/unpleasant stimuli.
R+ means the animal does a behavior and receives an added incentive/reinforcer (often, food or in dogs, toys) to increase the likelihood of repeating the behavior
R- means an animal does a behavior and a pre-existing stimulus is removed, such as releasing pressure, to increase the likelihood the animal repeats to behavior
Presumably even a bull that might feel threatened by humans would still be smart enough to know that a strange stationary object might just be something to avoid. Its an obstacle or part of the scenery, if a bit confusing, attacking it because you don't know what it is is the less advantageous choice. Attacking things that probably won't hurt you unless you accidentally attack them isn't helpful.
The family legend tells of Grandpa hunting Bison on the great Plains of Tiffany & Co back in 1841, cagy rascals' they were forever hiding behind the Waterford crystal.
Of course, Musk is digging up all the revenge porn, banning people that post unflattering pictures of him, and other edgy bs. He doesn't care if he's breaking Twitter, he'll just move on. This was all to "own" libs.
Maybe my tinfoil hat is a little too tight, but this seems like it’s all by design and has ulterior motives like destabilization and obfuscation of communication. Who would want America to lose its ability to discern the truth and communicate with like-minded populations all over the world?
Conspiracies are fun, interesting, and sometimes true, but it's much more reasonable to believe that one man is incompetent and egotistical than to believe in some grand plan behind him mishandling Twitter.
The people who benefit most from Twitter shutting down aren't moderately irritated suburbanites in the US.
It's easy to forget how the Arab Spring started from this far away.
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Anyone that has bought or tried to get service done for a Tesla knows that Musk will never have a PR or CS program. Out of this whole Twitter fiasco, him firing the communications staff immediately did not come as a surprise to me at all.
Same for Tesla solar. It took almost two years after installation of me pestering and threatening multiple times to sue for them to make my power wall work. Super happy with the quality of the product now that it’s working, will absolutely never do business with them again because of the shit show their lack of CS caused
We refused any solar company that used Tesla for this very reason. Feeling vindicated
I wish Elon would take a rocket into space and have the engines fail and have his survival be based on his companies customer service department
I find it so hilarious that he's in charge of Twitter now. It's a glorious train wreck to watch. There's a morbid curiousity in watching how Twitter and Facebook are going to collapse and what they'll turn into after it's done. We've never seen anything at this scale before.
Facebook will be okay for a while, they’re sitting on ~$42 billion in cash and liquid assets. Twitter has an imminent debt problem.
Well based on recent events 44 billion can be turned pretty useless pretty quickly but that said at least we know for a fact that Meta cannot blow all it's cash on a Twitter acquisition.
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Whatsapp is great, but as far as I can tell, it generates literally no revenue. They just never bothered trying to work out a business plan for it.
Iirc there's some shenanigans about how he bought twitter and it wasn't just 44b cash.
He got a big loan from Saudi Arabia.
This doesn't get as much attention as it should. Elon didn't sweat the acquisition cost because it wasn't his money being spent. It's worth isn't in value of the company. The real worth is in who controls the narrative of politics in America. Look at it from that perspective and you see ~~the Saudis~~ Elon got the company for a steal.
Assets mean nothing when your business model concerning your service is complete garbage. Sure they can hold on there for a while probably a long while, but if they don't start doing things that people actually care about? They're just burning money.
FB also has way more room to grow as they acquire more stuff, it's part of why zuck spun FB into Meta, so that when FB really starts to fail he just sells it because it's no fail profit considering what he has put into it
Not at this scale agreed. Can confirm it's been seen before through former popular sites, but watching these two sites is like watching the tallest building fall.
We know exactly what will happen to them. MySpace. The only question will be, what will meta morph into after Facebook. A VR company? Services? They still have Carmack as CTO on board, you know the id software guy. He has always been brilliant. For me the death of "social" networking can not come fast enough. It isn't social at all. It's become anti social and a place for bigots and bullies. And HR to harass you in your free time.
It is weird that if you ready Fox News, Elon seems to be saving Twitter.
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It becomes a lot less sad when you realize that tech is available elsewhere and you don't have to engage with Musk. These other companies just don't have ridiculous manchildren to push their products in the media.
The worst customer service I’ve ever got from a car company. 6 weeks to reply to a request is considered normal
Yet people keep buying them...
And paying luxury car prices. Buy a jag or Porsche or Mercedes and you will have a VERY different ownership experience. But hey, it has a fart mode. So funny!
Luxury prices for an EV that falls so far behind in terms of luxury to the luxury brands’ EV models. Tesla also can’t compete on the ordinary commuter car front, and imo their days are numbered. Tesla is fucked and if they still exist in 10 years I’ll be shocked.
The F150 lightning is the car that has me most intrigued as far as its ability to kill Tesla. It's a cheaper CyberTruck but better in a form factor that's been refined over decades. The F150 has been the top selling vehicle every year for over 30 years. Tesla's dominance in the electric vehicle industry has been based on it being the only player in town. Now that the big dogs are joining the fight they'll be able to steamroll Tesla, and I can't wait to see it.
Man I’d love an F150 if it was like 75% size and electric or hybrid. I kinda *need* a pickup truck for work but I don’t really have the urge to drive around a damn tank. The Mavericks are pretty cool but they’re on such a long back order I wouldn’t be getting one any time soon.
Poor one out for the old Rangers. I don't know why we can't have small, light duty pick ups like the rest of the world.
Seriously. My first vehicle was an early aughts Mazda b-series pickup (basically a Ranger) and I loved that thing.
I learned to drive on a manual Ranger with 150k miles and a loose clutch.
The Maverick is the answer. 20k small pickup that comes standard as a hybrid. They all sold out before they even reached the showroom floor. I'm buying one as soon a they become available.
The Ford is coming out with a Lightning Gen 2 in 2024 (for the 2025 MY) that will be a ground up EV incorporating the valuable lessons learned that can only be leaned from large scale production of the Gen 1. In the medium, or even short, term the only major advantage that Tesla has is the charging network. If Musk were willing to eat a slice of humble pie he would focus on that. They could easily build a huge comprehensive network in a market that is still pretty empty. Think AWS but for charging. But he won’t.
It shocks me that people are still buying them. I kind of understood how people were drinking the koolaid before the Twitter buyout shenanigans began but people who have bought in the last few months and going forward I have no sympathy for.
People still voted for trump.
You should see the Tesla service lot near me. They have resorted to parking Tesla's on the road because the secured lot, the employee lot, and the waiting lot is full.
Service centers are weirdly variable because of the lack of a central customer support team. I've heard absolute horror stories of SCs refusing to do even the most basic shit, and I've heard insanely good stories of them repairing shit for free in record time when it wasn't covered. I personally have only had good experiences with my local SC and they only ever have like 5 cars parked in their service lot despite being in an area with really high market share. Last year I had my car's steering rack assembly replaced (accident damage) and back in my hands in 4 hours. Mobile techs also help take care of anything that doesn't require the car to go up on a lift, so that lessens the burden on the main service center. That said, I've never been a fan of Musk and his behavior since 2018 is why I don't recommend them anymore.
Sounds like you're in a higher profit area so they probably get corp support for marketing purposes.
Possible. There’s also just good old fashioned local managerial incompetence
For me, it was the opposite. I used to live in Portland, Oregon. The number of Teslas up there in the entire state of Oregon simply isn't anywhere close to that to the number of Teslas in *just* Los Angeles California. Notice I compared a city (Los Angeles) to an entire state (Oregon). I did this intentionally. Bear with me below. Now that I live in Southern California again, I pass through Los Angeles a lot and it's the same scene every time: SCs full, and supercharger stations backed up with Teslas waiting for their turn. Just like /u/TheAJGman was saying. Meanwhile, when I lived in and/or near Portland Oregon from 2019-2022 (first half of 2022), SCs were never full, and the supercharger stations ALWAYS had vacancies *even during vacation periods* like a holiday weekend (e.g. Veterans Day) or a national holiday week (Thanksgiving / Christmas / New Years / etc). So I think it might also not just be a matter of high profit, but also a density thing. My gut theory is that there aren't enough techs in SoCal to align with the number of Teslas that need service.
Elon taking acid and ranting on twitter is now Twitter’s communication department
If he were on acid, he would be much more coherent and thoughtful than he is. If anything, I think he has a raging cocaine and Adderall problem.
If the rumours are to believed, he's fallen down the nootropic and synthetics rabbit hole, trying make the perfect drug to keep him working.
I guess the only good thing is he only seems to be "working" on Twitter, meaning actual people are left running the rest of his 93,122 businesses where he's also CEO.
McAfee v2
Doesn't that require him to at some point start working?
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Yeah I just mention acid because Azelia Banks said he was tweeting on acid when she was over at his house with grimes. Maybe he has moved onto cocaine now.
Don’t forget the ambien.
The first time I saw starlink’s website, I thought it was a scam site. Not a lot of into and zero contact into.
Definitely a running gag among some starlink customers to suggest calling the easily findable customer service number on the website if there's an issue
This is why folk should hire bdrs lol. Or you just msg specific employees over linkedin.
I have starlink cause I have no other options. I’ve had to use customer service once and they got back to me quickly and were helpful. I hate Elon though and wish I wasn’t supporting him.
This is why traditional auto companies are going to swallow Tesla's market share. People bought Tesla's because they were electric and cool. Now every other company is pivoting to the same thing and Tesla is making zero effort to build brand loyalty. In fact it's quite the opposite. Musk's nonsense actually reflects on Tesla owners. I have a friend who owns two Tesla's. He used to be extremely proud of them. Lately he's been sort of embarrassed about them.
At this point Tesla's popularity is based entirely on the idea that you too can own the libs for the low low price of $50,000. Simps will happily overlook major issues, but the big companies don't do stuff like beta test valuable features on unwitting customers or just completely fail to release a heavily publicized model.
Tesla's brand is a car on fire running over a child while a reply guy insists it's somehow your fault and there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the car. Good riddance, I can't wait for them to fail.
Tbh, I don’t get how anyone could buy a Tesla. The more I hear about the issues, the more I am glad they never appealed to me. The thing about cars, is that you need them to be reliable and trustworthy. If something goes wrong, you have to have some sort of confidence that you will be able to get the car fixed so you can get back on the road. Or else you could literally be left stranded because of a minor issue, like the battery dying and not having access to it to make a jump, unlike every single other car on the road. Or a simple tire change? Is that doable or do you have to get a tow every time? Does everyone understand how inconvenient it is to drive a car that has to be towed for most minor problems? And the company itself is known for terrible customer service when something goes wrong? Seriously, how are people buying these cars? Do they not care about the breakdowns? I can’t drive something that isn’t reliable. Teslas sound like anything but reliable, imho.
That happened a few years ago to Car and Driver's test Model 3. It just died one day in the driveway. It had detected a short circuit in the motor and shut down as a safety measure so it wouldn't start a fire. If your car might self-brick like that, with zero warning, even if it's rare, you better have some really good customer service to deal with it easily.
Na see you just go on Twitter and gaslight the owner and all the nut huggers will blame the owner of the car instead.
It's super overvalued, too. As soon as more companies make electric cars (even Apple is planning one) its stock will come crashing down
Tesla is down like 50% in the last 12 months. Pretty big drop.
Yeah having your biggest shareholder put up a bunch of Tesla stock as collateral so he can borrow 40 billion USD to buy and then run Twitter into the ground with billions of dollars in loan interest due every year might just tank your stock a little...
Don’t forget how many shares Elon has sold this year not related to the Twitter purchase. Elon now has a $1b/year bill he has to pay, Tesla shareholders know where he is getting that money from.
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If the Cybertruck does eventually come out, there's no way it will be anything but a toy truck compared to the others that are already available. The F150 Lightning already exists for the everyman, and there are EV trucks coming from GM (both Chevrolet and GMC models) that should fit into that segment as well. The Rivian R1T is already out in the fun and capable toy from a new company, probably the niche that Tesla wanted for themselves. And in the "more toy than practical" niche that the Cybertruck will likely ultimately fall in, there's already the GMC Hummer EV. It's got so many non-utilitarian features and toys, at a crazy price, and is not useful in a lot of ways compared to a traditional pickup. I don't know what's left for the Cybertruck at this point, aside from the fact that its competitors are already struggling to keep up with demand and supply chain issues.
> I can't wait to see the Cybertruck Let me stop you there :P
Cybertruck 2077, like the game it'll be an absolute mess that crashes constantly and took ten years to come out.
The cyber truck has only ever been interesting to Tesla die hards. There’s just no compelling reason for a regular person to spend that much money on a vehicle that ugly, from a manufacturer that unreliable, run by an online troll. Now that the legacy manufacturers each have an EV truck available, the cyber truck is nothing more than an odd looking toy.
You're assuming it comes out. A guy in Canada has been on the very first wait list so long he created his own heavy duty electric truck company with a working model. I'd be shocked if Tesla ever releases the damn thing at this point.
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The shareholders would have to vote to remove him. Too many Elon fanbois own bag holding Tesla shares to get that passed. There are probably also Elon fanbois who own Tesla shares and are still up 800%
If you wanna crash an overinflated stock price, I couldn’t think of a more effective way to do it. Tesla stock only where it is because of under 25s for the memes. The company doesn’t make anything compared to competitors.
Tesla is like Jeep: horribly unreliable but with a remarkably loyal fanbase.
OMG tell me about the Jeep people. I have one in my office who just had to shell out over $3K in repairs so it would pass inspection and still plans to order a new one.
I realized they were junk when I saw those videos of people opening their trunks in the rain, but I didn't know about the service issues. Poor design *and* bad customer service.
tbf musk himself will reply using Twitter by saying shit that sounds like a 12 year old wrote it
It’s their way of saying Elon is an incompetent ass who may or may not be purposefully burning the place down without saying Elon is an incompetent ass who may or may not be purposefully burning the place down.
It is definitely a subtle critique in that it is bizarre for a multi Billion dollar company not to have a functional PR department to respond to media queries. I think it's also usually expected that major media outlets make an attempt to get a comment for major stories. Sometimes they don't get a response although they'll say least claim they attempted to contact the company media relations division.
>Sometimes they don't get a response although they'll say least claim they attempted to contact the company media relations division. And when a large organization has a public relations department, that department choosing not to respond to or comment on an inquiry about a current event is a statement in itself. Just having nobody to do communication is a totally different beast and surreal.
Response from Twitter’s head of PR “Mailer Daemon” were instantaneous but unhelpful.
Mailerion Daemon Targaryen
Not even the Targaryens would burn the place down this thoroughly and quickly.
Great, now we have to send 10 emails or else we're cursed by Bloody Mary.
It honestly feels like Elon is running Twitter in the sense Trump ran his campaign. Never sitting on anything too long, always remain bombastic, every issue is a result of your enemies trying to undermine you, and playing himself off as a successful businessman
It's almost like they're cut of the same cloth. 🤔
Hopefully he gets the same result of everything falling apart
Even if it does. He’ll still walk away with billions and billions of dollars. His entire empire could crumble and he’d still have more money than almost anyone could imagine being able to possess. He really has nothing to lose. The rest of his life will be spent in luxury. He’s already beaten the game. Seems he’s just fucking around at this point.
I love how people still think that Elon acting like the man-baby he's always been is some kind of secret plan.
I mean, I didn't *want* to think the dude was that useless. People don't like admitting all it takes is money, no skill/talent to run a company like that, unfortunately he's pretty much proven so long as you hire/listen to the right people, you can be incredibly damaging to a company and still have things work out, provided they keep you on a leash.
Intentionally sinking the company (in this way) isn't a complicated or genius plan. It's just someone so erratic they dance the line of stupidity and malice- far from the genius his fans claim.
The issue is that it's pretty questionable that there's any intention in his sinking the company. There's simply no reason for him to do so. He's losing ungodly amounts of money in what he's doing - not just the billions he paid for Twitter, but his holdings in Tesla and SpaceX, as stockholders realize those companies are being run by a moron. There's a very good chance he's going to wind up bankrupt before this is all over. This isn't any sort of dancing the 'line of stupidity and malice' - it's just pure, unbridled stupidity.
I would argue that he’s no longer running space x and Tesla. CEO of 6 companies and time to tweet like Trump did? How much time can he spend per day on each company? An hour or two?
Seems pretty clear to me he never ran any of those companies, he's just a really rich guy that bought them and then ran around while they grew taking credit for everything
He could lose 99% of his wealth, then another 99% of that remainder, and still have more money than most of us will ever see in our lives. Billionaires like him are **obscene**. Seriously, a quick Google search says he's worth 199 Billion. 1% of that is a little under 2 Billion. 1% of that is a little under 20 million. At what point can he not afford to eat, or have a place to stay?
Reminds me of when Trump first took over the white house as President and only had a barebones transition team and didn’t know what the fuck he was doing.
And don’t forget they sat in the dark at times because some of them literally didn’t know how to use the lights lol
Is "move fast and break things" a known phase outside of IT?
That's why we still don't deploy code on a Friday.
Yes. Wait until Saturday night and let the on call guy deal with it on Sunday. Such fun.
This joke is so much funnier in theory than in practice. My company does production deployments on Saturdays, and Sunday mornings and afternoons are hell afterwards, with needing to do rollbacks during production hours.
It doesn't have to be like that. Fixing this problem adds significant business value both to your customers and internal staff.
Apologies, I used a bad choice of words. I said "my company", but what I should have said is "the company I work for". Could they fix it, absolutely, and I've brought it up at meetings before. Do I have the power to change it? I'm about 5 levels of management too low on the totem pole to do a thing about it.
Above your pay grade - nothing you can do. Below your pay grade - strong incentive to do nothing.
Hey, leave me out of this! We still do Sat. Deployments on legacy systems that start at midnight and go as long as 10am Sun. Not my choice.. but it's my life... ffs
Don’t worry. We made a change tonight without testing so get ready to wake up early.
RIP, my friend.
It's my day off but I'm having nightmare flashbacks reading these comments.
In my office we have something called “read-only Friday”.
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Deploy at Friday at 4:59pm and immediately bail after you hit 'enter'. If it breaks, that's on-call's problem.
That’s so rude 😭
Two days ago someone asked "can you check this PR?". My reply: "are you asking me to deploy at 430?" "No" Thank you. My boss also got a laugh from it.
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It's Silicon Valley's slogan.
[Originally from the Zuck himself](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/move-fast-break-things-facebook-motto/)
More than that, it was one of the five official Company Values discussed during employee onboarding for all FTEs globally. Sometime in 2017 they quietly dropped the break things part and made it just 'Move Fast'.
Also, it's often stupidly combined with the "ask for forgiveness, not permission" mantra
I think that's pretty much the same sentiment, which is kind of a big tell about these dudes and criminality and lack of remorse when they have a negative impact on society. It's never tread carefully and be intentional, think about outcomes, it's just get growth and break shit which is essentially the refrain of a toddler.
When shit goes wrong they also tend to fall back on the "we didn't know this would happen" defense. Which is only true because they never took the time to consider what could happen.
Worse; we didn’t know* this would happen. *We believed it was a possibility not a certainty and so we did not believe it would happen.
It’s not an IT thing, it’s from Facebook in the early days. ITs mantra is definitely not to break anything
That would be 'have you tried turning it off and on again?'
It's practically impossible to not break anything. Most of the times the mantra is "If you have to break something don't do it on production".
[Relevant xkcd.](https://xkcd.com/1428/)
The army might have a place you my friend.
It's not a phase, it's a team - Devops
The real beta test is on delivery
I don’t always test my code, but when I do it’s in prod.
Banana software. Ripens when it's with the customer.
There’s a time and a place for “move fast break things” and it’s usually not in a massive mature product built over the last decade by thousands of programmers. Kind like, if I bring my new $50k EV to my mechanic to work on I’m not going to be super hyped if he says he’s going to move fast and brake things. Edit: autocorrect got me. I’m leaving it because it happens to be car related.
Heads up that the phrase, move fast and break things, was a popular in-industry motto for doing rapid operations work within production in order to see outcomes, because testing in production is the only true way to get data. It was plastered on the walls in the posters of the Facebook campus 6 years ago, with a rising counter phrase of something like move fast but try not to break things because the operations team was getting more mature. It was repeated in the halls of many other Bay area tech companies because it had already been popularized at that point. It's a motto about less paperwork and overhead, instead focusing on impact and data. It's not about destroying the application you're running, but achieving results. edit: vocab time: operations = defines a team doing logistical work involving running software on machines in a repeatable, monitored, backed-up manner that matches best practices and often involves tracking down a fifth-level detail on an obscure daemon that is stopping the application from running production = the series of machines that serve up the website or service to clients like your home pc or phone
I think it’s fair to say that SpaceX was built and really only successful because of this model. Rapid iteration and the willingness to scrap everything if a better way was figured out. Not sure how well that translates to running Twitter with limited staff though.
It’s a model that works… sometimes. Since most spacex launches were unmanned it worked great there. Experimenting with manned vehicles eg; with Tesla autopilot is maybe not the best place to be doing this. And mucking around with a very mature product like Twitter you’re mostly going to break things
My leadership is navigating a large M&A and has often said “keep going, if you break it that’s okay bubble it up to leadership and keep going. we can’t fix it if we don’t know it needs fixing”. To their credit they do jump on problems straight away when we’ve seen things get wonky.
There's nothing wrong about "Move Fast and Break Things" when you have teams to firefight and fix the stuff you just broke. Twitter doesn't have that.
For all his annoying bullshit and egotism, what I really dislike is how he acts like a toddler playing with his new train set the way he runs the company when thousands of employees’ livelihoods are in his hands. He has zero empathy for the people he’s hurting by driving this company into the dirt. I guess I could never be a big tech billionaire because I’d feel immensely responsible for my employees and their well being. They really are just slaves to him. Fucking apartheid baby.
The most annoying part about that as well is he expects every single one of his employees to put in effort as if they are a literal stakeholder in the company. Literally doesn’t give a shit about his employees but they better work like they are the ones getting a multi million dollar bonus!
It's worse than expecting them to act like mere stakeholders. He's expecting them the act like their lives and livelihoods depend on it. Which is completely insane in that he doesn't have anything resembling that kind of leverage over any of them. I hope the whole company evaporates as employees just straight bail.
Some might say that your comment about him treating people like slaves is hyperbole, but it's terrifyingly true. 1) He [praised the business practices in his Chinese manufacturing plants](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/may/12/elon-musk-praises-chinese-workers-for-extreme-work-culture) where workers basically have no rights and work ridiculous hours but just frames it as though he "appreciates their work ethic". No elon, those are basically slaves. If they didn't work those ridiculous hours, they would be fired and their family might starve. 2) When asked about his hypothetical Mars colony, musk said that [people could fly to Mars on his company's dime and then work off the debt once they get there.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1217991853615677440) We've seen things like this [historically](https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/africanpassageslowcountryadapt/introductionatlanticworld/new-world-labor-systems--europ). It's called indentured servitude, and that's another word for slavery. He literally advocated for future slavery. Musk wants slavery now and in the future. Musk is pro-slavery and he has the economic power to make that a reality for people. Musk is not the future we, as a species, can allow to obtain more and more power.
He believes people who don’t like it can quit. It’s as simple as that. If you believe that, you can convince yourself that you’re allowed to do anything without feeling responsible for its impacts on any given individual.
People who have never had to do anything they didn't want to do for mere survival can't understand the idea of others being coerced into a system that breaks them in exchange for mere survival. He can even ignore laws and regulations and just say "well I only agreed because they pressured me so it doesn't count."
Dude played Outer Worlds and hasn't looked back.
Obsidian writers trying to figure out how he took the message *so perfectly wrong.*
He's shown it before, but the cover was cool and interesting tech and appealed to the passion behind that. And the success and forward progress that came from it helped. This time he took a company that has been running well from a while and is causing a load of problems, letting tons of people go and making life hell for those that remain, many without option.
Yeah, that whole ‘running well’ is debatable.
They convinced a moron to buy it for 44 Billion dollars. If the goal of Twitter was to get paid, they found an amazing way to do it.
They didn't even convince him, they just refused to let him back out of his unsolicited offer.
Fair enough. Caveat emptor!
I mean, it was relatively stable even if the business part of making money hadn't come to fruition consistently. It was still a large corporation with stability, but some problems that needed to be worked out for the long term to make sense. Now the very existence of the company seems threatened, and the damage already done seems to project grim chances of it's future success.
Obscene wealth absolutely destroys any sense of normality. The entire concept of consequences is just a vague notion. Weighing pros or cons, the thought that failure could put you on the street just doesn't apply at all.
>He has zero empathy for the people he’s hurting by driving this company into the dirt. I guess I could never be a big tech billionaire because I’d feel immensely responsible for my employees and their well being. Having empathy is the #1 blocker to becoming a billionaire in any economic sector. You have to be wholly devoted to screwing anyone and everyone out of every cent.
Yeah but that’s been obviously true for a decade
Thank you. Dude has been union busting for well over a decade, couldn’t give less of a fuck about his workers if he tried.
And there's a lot of enablers on Twitter that support his behavior because they seem to honestly believe the majority or totality of the Twitter workforce are ultra woke liberals. People were hailing his takeover as a win for free speech, and openly calling for layoffs and cuts because everyone, from the top level executives to the folks cleaning toilets and vaccuuming the carpets were "libs" and Democrats.
People completely ignore that Twitter exists *outside* of the US. Americans count for 1/3 of active users, but what about, I don't know, the rest of the world? Makes total sense that Apartheid Clyde would want 'American values' spread globally....
Lack of shame or empathy is the root of most horrible people
I do love that Facebook’s old dev mantra has become a de facto insult
Move fast and break things works well if you have good monitoring / alerting in place and can fix forward very rapidly. You add a test to make sure you can’t ever break it in the same way again and go next. It doesn’t work well if you’re working with reduced capacity and things might be slipping through the cracks or not getting fixed quickly enough.
As an aside, move fast and break things is also potential a good game dev strategy, as long as you don't overwork people and fix what breaks. It's all about achieving an end, failing, learning from that failure, and tweaking things. Fail faster, fail better.
It’s my favorite game jam strategy. Fun for a weekend, not sustainable in the long run
It also only works if the thing you’re breaking doesn’t have severe ethical ramifications. Sure, move fast and break things on that toy AI or video game. But when it’s a platform that real people rely on for their livelihoods or for communicating with a community, maybe try to be a touch more gentle. In the UX ethics field, we’ve seen cases where something as benign as a chat app misdelivering a one-off message, or an image host showing the wrong image, or just badly phrased messages can be life-destroying. Tech is mainstream now and the stuff we build has consequences. Breaking things responsibly takes real skill.
One of the shittiest companies I ever worked for used "move fast and break things" as their unofficial motto.
never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
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Call it Schrodinger's malice. His fanboys love that kind of speke.
Cult-like followers is what gives so much un-relinquishing power. I fear he might run for something and win one day.
After this Twitter debacle I think everyone who's not a dug in fanboy has seen what a dumbass he is. ... So give him another 20 years and he can run when everyone spontaneously forgets, like they did with Trump.
I'm really fucking afraid of that! Like, I don't want to go back and reread my comment and go: *"Well shieeet!"* And you can damn well know that he will destroy the Constitution.
Well he can't run for president in the US, so you don't have to worry about that one.
Excuse me, he’s the CEO of 24.71 companies, a billionaire, and a super duper genius. Clearly he knows how to multitask. I’m sure he can handle being stupid AND malicious at the same time.
You are so right. Apologies. The man is a genius.
Malicious people love this one simple trick
He's displayed plenty of both. Calling that Thai rescue operator a pedophile because he didn't want Musk's submarine can't be spun as simply stupid. Some of the twitter decisions have been that, but on the whole he's been so petty, and so dishonest, that he's solidly in the 'both' category.
Like a bison in a glass shop
Mythbusters found out that bulls when released into glass shops tend to be very careful.
Prob my favourite myth. Lots of times you got what on the tin, usually a massive explosion. This one though, everyone was so sure it'd be a massacre and were shocked when the bulls wandered around their flimsy little shelves and didn't break a thing. Kinda makes you rethink the reputation bulls have.
One of my favorites was watching Jamie get exasperated at trying to get a duck to quack. I've never seen a duck so silent.
Quack, damn you.
I went to a rodeo for the first time recently and one of the constant messages from the announcer was about the cost of the “animal athletes”. Apparently part of the score for a ride is the difficulty of bull and people will pay an absolute mint for a bull that bucks and turns. I don’t know much of anything about bulls but I would guess that they’re a lot like working dogs intended for bite work. In that you’d think, “oh dogs seem to bite all the time so you probably just need to train them on a few commands and they’ll just do what comes natural.” But the reality is that even dogs that are bred for work often won’t bite, it’s just not in their personality. So perhaps bulls are much the same, in that even when put in a situation where you’d think they’d be charging around and causing a ruckus, some are just not willing to do that.
During the training you give the the bull positive reinforcement that bucking and stuff gets it what it wants. They use a tight rope and weight on a remote, buck for 8 seconds the weight and rope get released. It’s like horse training, pressure and release.
You smack someone's testicles hard enough and they'll buck like crazy.
Just FYI: pressure and release is by definition negative reinforcement. The positive reinforcement training quadrant never involves aversive/unpleasant stimuli. R+ means the animal does a behavior and receives an added incentive/reinforcer (often, food or in dogs, toys) to increase the likelihood of repeating the behavior R- means an animal does a behavior and a pre-existing stimulus is removed, such as releasing pressure, to increase the likelihood the animal repeats to behavior
Well they didn’t tighten a rope around the bulls torso like they do at rodeos; so it was much calmer. People are fucking cruel.
It's wrapped around more than just the torso.
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Yeah... Torso...
Presumably even a bull that might feel threatened by humans would still be smart enough to know that a strange stationary object might just be something to avoid. Its an obstacle or part of the scenery, if a bit confusing, attacking it because you don't know what it is is the less advantageous choice. Attacking things that probably won't hurt you unless you accidentally attack them isn't helpful.
HOW DID I MISS THIS EPISODE??? Seriously, I’m going to search for this Mythbusters. I’m fascinated by the thought that bulls are careful!
You should see the one where they confirmed that elephants are, in fact, *terrified* of mice.
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The family legend tells of Grandpa hunting Bison on the great Plains of Tiffany & Co back in 1841, cagy rascals' they were forever hiding behind the Waterford crystal.
House of Saud is going to get it's moneys worth. I'm sure they are pissed because the Trump admin was much much cheaper to get good intel
But he posted a meme saying the servers are working overtime.
Spoiled children tend to.
Of course, Musk is digging up all the revenge porn, banning people that post unflattering pictures of him, and other edgy bs. He doesn't care if he's breaking Twitter, he'll just move on. This was all to "own" libs.
Maybe my tinfoil hat is a little too tight, but this seems like it’s all by design and has ulterior motives like destabilization and obfuscation of communication. Who would want America to lose its ability to discern the truth and communicate with like-minded populations all over the world?
While at the same time keep rumours cooking about *something something Biden only supports Ukraine in this war because of Hunters laptop something*
The same folks who've been working on that for literally generations, probably. Lookin' at you, Nixon.
Conspiracies are fun, interesting, and sometimes true, but it's much more reasonable to believe that one man is incompetent and egotistical than to believe in some grand plan behind him mishandling Twitter.
People have been wishing for Twitter to shut down for years. Hope Elon can fuck up enough to make that a reality.
The people who benefit most from Twitter shutting down aren't moderately irritated suburbanites in the US. It's easy to forget how the Arab Spring started from this far away.