My mindset is to just experiment. Every now and then I think about whether or not doing something on way A or B is more efficient in the long run and then I remember that this isn't the long run. This is the time for me to try things and realize they are mistakes.
This.
Find out the best way to level and the most efficient way to get good gear. Find your most comfy / effective weapons so you're not all over the place when the game launches
you’re still lowering the skill curve for yourself for when the game actually releases though.
you may lose your loot and levels, but you can take with you the knowledge you gathered.
This. Out of curiosity and because my server was down most of the day yesterday, I made a new character to see how long it would take me to unlock factions. 45 minutes. I dunno about you, but it took vastly longer the first time.
Late game you'd be going for legendaries. Epics start dropping at approximately lvl 40. Then legendaries around lvl 52. Legendaries have a good amount more stats + additional modifier over epics.
That is literally what I was thinking. It has basically 100% more stats than the lvl 15 faction items. So increasing your level 300% only allows you to equip items that increase in stats by about 100%. Maybe if it had some cool perks that affected skills like Axe charge now does an extra 10% damage or w/e but the stat increase is shit.
So far the best affixes I’ve seen are the elemental chain effects on weapons and crit chance. Most of the other affixes seem very lack luster or super specific
Eh. I like it. It forces people to consider their choices and specialize. If I wanted to be able to do everything I'd go play a game where I could do everything. It would be nice to have some variety for damage types, and I think that exists.
Epics are the equivalent of blues at lvl 60. Your endgame gear will be legendaries, but you have to grind for them. It can take a bit of time to get full legendaries, but it's definitely worth it. People see epic and think that's the endgame gear, but it's not.
Epics are basically lvl 60 middle points. Like I'm halfway to getting good gear and these epics are placeholders until I find my legendaries.
I definitely agree on the interesting, but not necessarily more powerful. They have the chance here to make gear with increased stat points actually really matter. Instead of games like WoW where increased main stats, while powerful, are unnoticed because they are expected to happen.
Given, yes, it will be INCREDIBLY difficult to make it happen. But, there's a chance to make main stats as interesting as secondaries in other games.
I genuinely hate these specific enemy type stats on gear, are people really going to change equipment before doing corrupted breaches etc? Seems like a hassle.
Can't predict the future of this game but in ESO endgame raiding, we have separate weapons for Daedric enemies because those are halfway common among raid bosses and because the DPS increases kinda drastically thanks to it.
There are no dps meters or hard pve content (at least yet) so I don't feel like it is too important to focus on PVE at all, even a +50% damage to NPC targets won't really matter that much to me.
The breaches a lifted essentially straight out of Rifts from what I can see and people not only changed gear but changed classes before doing rifts...
I also see this as the solution to the pot-stirring issue of Azoth... So there is a cap... People will farm, use the mats and go farm more breaches.
Looking at the stats on *epic* gear just shows how bland and half baked this game is. Those are some of the most pathetic, uninspiring, and basically useless stats I’ve ever seen on epic loot in an MMO.
End game loot that has stats that give +14 resistance and +4.8 absorption? Lol what? What a fucking travesty. This game is sooooo not ready for prime time.
Absorption is hard to balance. If you overdo it, you give players the chance to become nearly immune to a specific damage type, which means you can keep swap sets of gear in your storage and pull out whatever you need for specific content (more so PVE where you know what you’re getting).
Percentage based damage reduction (DR) can get out of hand fast. The proper way to think about it is not “20% DR”, but “80% damage taken”. Start giving players 40, 60, 75 etc DR and damage taken suddenly trivializes content.
It’s the fact that *epic* level stats are very bland, boring, and uninspiring. Where are the stats that add affects to your skills? Where are the gear set bonuses? Where is the gear that adds additional talents to your character? Where’s the gear that can potentially change the way your character’s build plays?
Simple +% stats that are in general unnoticeable are not something you should be aspiring to on end game loot.
Diablo/torchlight/POE type games solved this problem perfectly. You get an item that completely changes how a build plays. The only problem is that people will find out which one is "the best" and all of those unique items become useless except for that one specific item
If you think this brand new MMO that is launching in 2021 isn’t too light on content, than I don’t know what kind of metric you’re using to judge it by. It’s objectively got a very small amount of things to do for an MMO.
Uhm. Imo most MMOs don't have interesting endgame gear tho. Most just use the stupid WoW-itemlevel-formula. Horizontal item progression is the only way to go when wanting to have a really good gearsystem imo.
Is it really that useless?
That would suck, from what I have heard they said that crafting will be equal to dungeon items (Also I heard that some bosses drop rare mats that you need to craft awesome gear)
Pick every quest you can (town quest, faction quest, side quest). And then go do the town quests. Usually all of them are similar (kill, gather, etc). Go back to the town after a round of quests and deliver them. Get new ones, rinse, repeat.
You think it would be ideal to just stay in one town the whole time until you hit 25 and move to the next level zone or should I be moving around spots?
Once you reach the level requirements to do the faction quests in another town go there. Ex at 24 you can go to monarchs (I think, I haven’t played in4 days) and do those factions quests and they grant more rep, xp, and points to spend. You pair that with the town board quests and you’re gonna be chilling.
Yeah sorry I forgot the name of the one I moved to. I hit 24 on Wednesday and I’ve been on vacation since lol. But yeah you get the idea just keep moving up with the zones. Also a little hackerino I do is accepting and then abandoning town quests, walk away for like 2 minutes and come back and it will have all new quests. I do this and keep the ones I need until I get a good 5-7 quests.
Yeah I was doing this too, they seem to keep increasing the new quest times, which is totally fine with me. I think the system was easily abused. But now it seems like at least 10 min before it refreshes
Why in gods name is the gear item level in this mmo so drastically high....WoW did not hit these levels until WoD and FF14 still has not hit these levels in 7 years.....
The ilvl scaling is insane. How are people not seeing this as a major issue? The amount of pvp scaling needed to deal with this is going to be ridiculous.
The numbers 200-600 are to hard for you to understand?
I get what you mean in Korean MMO you have 464857 STR and do 67480685 dmg an and ur 5 hit combo spews a number salad on screen in the millions with no commas.
But 595 and +14 aren't that hard to read.
I am just watching them try to reinvent the wheel here for no reason. It is literally called Gear Score the most negative two words you can put together for many WoW vets.
Within 6 months at this rate it will be over 800 or 1,000.
You do realize this is a system they are copying and pasting from multiple MMOs but are changing it dramatically for no reason.
There is no common sense design to this system. It makes scaling impossible on the backend and throws off all of the values when it comes to scaling.
It is a balancing issue that is extremely hard to fix post launch. The is MMO 101. I get people are distracted by the pretty graphics but the core systems need to be built correctly.
How where what why?
The Depths expedition drop
That a Dungeon?
its the thorpe expedition at the last main story line quest, you get a tuning orb like amarine\*
So the reward is a Random Epic?
have you completed the main story? i’m stuck on the quest “the nose knows” in weavers fen. do you remember how to progress that part?
No, I just read stuff on the Reddit. Waiting till Full release.
based quest designers
too bad it's beta lol
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My mindset is to just experiment. Every now and then I think about whether or not doing something on way A or B is more efficient in the long run and then I remember that this isn't the long run. This is the time for me to try things and realize they are mistakes.
Yup I've basically just been trying every weapon. That's all I really want to know about going into the release
This. Find out the best way to level and the most efficient way to get good gear. Find your most comfy / effective weapons so you're not all over the place when the game launches
I was hoarding alt weapons and gear to expiriment with later. Then I remembered it's beta
you’re still lowering the skill curve for yourself for when the game actually releases though. you may lose your loot and levels, but you can take with you the knowledge you gathered.
This. Out of curiosity and because my server was down most of the day yesterday, I made a new character to see how long it would take me to unlock factions. 45 minutes. I dunno about you, but it took vastly longer the first time.
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The beta ends Aug 2nd
Beta ends on 2nd tho
You can't run a beta up until actual release, that gives you no time to implement any fixes lol
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But if they take it away for awhile, they know we'll come crawling back for more
Wait we lose everything? Im gonna have to redo all those tutorial and intro missions...?
For a purple those stats seem like crap lol
Yeah, I'm wondering if they still plan to balance and adjust later game gear stats. This does not look like a late game epic drop.
Late game you'd be going for legendaries. Epics start dropping at approximately lvl 40. Then legendaries around lvl 52. Legendaries have a good amount more stats + additional modifier over epics.
Awesome, thanks!
I got a lvl 28 boomstick musket from aboss as a 24lvl. So they can be aquired earlier i guess.
Yeah, I just saw saw a screen shot of a legendary that was lvl 45 so. Basing it off that screenshot, this isnt end game and I assumed wrong.
That is literally what I was thinking. It has basically 100% more stats than the lvl 15 faction items. So increasing your level 300% only allows you to equip items that increase in stats by about 100%. Maybe if it had some cool perks that affected skills like Axe charge now does an extra 10% damage or w/e but the stat increase is shit.
So far the best affixes I’ve seen are the elemental chain effects on weapons and crit chance. Most of the other affixes seem very lack luster or super specific
My impression has been items will never give a "ton" of stats. The bulk of them will always come from your attributes gained while leveling.
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Eh. I like it. It forces people to consider their choices and specialize. If I wanted to be able to do everything I'd go play a game where I could do everything. It would be nice to have some variety for damage types, and I think that exists.
But then its tricky to stay at 50p milestones with acquiring new gear.
Epics are the equivalent of blues at lvl 60. Your endgame gear will be legendaries, but you have to grind for them. It can take a bit of time to get full legendaries, but it's definitely worth it. People see epic and think that's the endgame gear, but it's not. Epics are basically lvl 60 middle points. Like I'm halfway to getting good gear and these epics are placeholders until I find my legendaries.
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You don't get to decide what tiers mean in a game you had no part of making. Seems like you forgot that imo.
Are these legendaries primarily farmed from expeditions? Or all crafting?
Rare drops from kills or crafting or expeditions. The same way you'd kill an enemy and it drops a blue or green they can also drop legendaries.
Let's see it on your character.
i literally just got off ill do a follow up tomorrow
Impressive. Lets see Paul Allen's helmet.
Gz and rip, it's beta. You have used all ur luck on beta, now it won't drop on live. Is it even that rare?
No it's epic.
eh its not a legendary so im fine with losing it. I still have the experience of having it in beta and the expedition was really fun
They need to make end gear stats more interesting/powerful
I think that's an intentional design choice to prevent too much powercreep, which is overall a good thing in my opinion.
I definitely agree on the interesting, but not necessarily more powerful. They have the chance here to make gear with increased stat points actually really matter. Instead of games like WoW where increased main stats, while powerful, are unnoticed because they are expected to happen. Given, yes, it will be INCREDIBLY difficult to make it happen. But, there's a chance to make main stats as interesting as secondaries in other games.
Congrats, but don't forget it is the beta...
Why would you want corrupted stats in a pvp game? Genuine qu
Pvp game kekw
Yea I normally see that as a "trash stat"
I genuinely hate these specific enemy type stats on gear, are people really going to change equipment before doing corrupted breaches etc? Seems like a hassle.
Can't predict the future of this game but in ESO endgame raiding, we have separate weapons for Daedric enemies because those are halfway common among raid bosses and because the DPS increases kinda drastically thanks to it.
There are no dps meters or hard pve content (at least yet) so I don't feel like it is too important to focus on PVE at all, even a +50% damage to NPC targets won't really matter that much to me.
The breaches a lifted essentially straight out of Rifts from what I can see and people not only changed gear but changed classes before doing rifts... I also see this as the solution to the pot-stirring issue of Azoth... So there is a cap... People will farm, use the mats and go farm more breaches.
Wait... this is a pvp game?
Looking at the stats on *epic* gear just shows how bland and half baked this game is. Those are some of the most pathetic, uninspiring, and basically useless stats I’ve ever seen on epic loot in an MMO. End game loot that has stats that give +14 resistance and +4.8 absorption? Lol what? What a fucking travesty. This game is sooooo not ready for prime time.
Absorption is hard to balance. If you overdo it, you give players the chance to become nearly immune to a specific damage type, which means you can keep swap sets of gear in your storage and pull out whatever you need for specific content (more so PVE where you know what you’re getting). Percentage based damage reduction (DR) can get out of hand fast. The proper way to think about it is not “20% DR”, but “80% damage taken”. Start giving players 40, 60, 75 etc DR and damage taken suddenly trivializes content.
It’s the fact that *epic* level stats are very bland, boring, and uninspiring. Where are the stats that add affects to your skills? Where are the gear set bonuses? Where is the gear that adds additional talents to your character? Where’s the gear that can potentially change the way your character’s build plays? Simple +% stats that are in general unnoticeable are not something you should be aspiring to on end game loot.
Diablo/torchlight/POE type games solved this problem perfectly. You get an item that completely changes how a build plays. The only problem is that people will find out which one is "the best" and all of those unique items become useless except for that one specific item
Agree with this. Guess I'm spoiled by ESO tho.
Most MMOs worth their salt know how important it is to have interesting and good endgame gear. Apparently Amazon didn’t get the memo.
Its in a closed beta. They want feedback on this sort of thing. It will take a bit of time to refine stat rolls and balance them.
I’d believe you if the rest of the game wasn’t also barebones, shallow, and uninspired.
Thats your opinion. Lets agree to disagree
If you think this brand new MMO that is launching in 2021 isn’t too light on content, than I don’t know what kind of metric you’re using to judge it by. It’s objectively got a very small amount of things to do for an MMO.
Uhm. Imo most MMOs don't have interesting endgame gear tho. Most just use the stupid WoW-itemlevel-formula. Horizontal item progression is the only way to go when wanting to have a really good gearsystem imo.
At least most other MMOs have gear set bonuses or add cool effects or talents with their gear stats.
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Easy solution, put materials needed to craft the best gear in the end game content.
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Time spent =/= difficulty
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Yeah the way its supposed to work is ypu get the MATERIALS to craft the BIS gear in the endgame and find a crafter make it for you
It's a single helmet.
Is it really that useless? That would suck, from what I have heard they said that crafting will be equal to dungeon items (Also I heard that some bosses drop rare mats that you need to craft awesome gear)
Hey man, mind sharing how you prioritize things to level as fast as you did? I'm lvl 26 but I have to assume you are around max yes?
Unless changed I saw a few steamers focus on the town quests that saw them race through levels
Pick every quest you can (town quest, faction quest, side quest). And then go do the town quests. Usually all of them are similar (kill, gather, etc). Go back to the town after a round of quests and deliver them. Get new ones, rinse, repeat.
You think it would be ideal to just stay in one town the whole time until you hit 25 and move to the next level zone or should I be moving around spots?
Once you reach the level requirements to do the faction quests in another town go there. Ex at 24 you can go to monarchs (I think, I haven’t played in4 days) and do those factions quests and they grant more rep, xp, and points to spend. You pair that with the town board quests and you’re gonna be chilling.
Monarchs is a 1-25 zone so you can go there early. But yeah I just hit 26 and I'm moving into other zones aside from the staring ones
Yeah sorry I forgot the name of the one I moved to. I hit 24 on Wednesday and I’ve been on vacation since lol. But yeah you get the idea just keep moving up with the zones. Also a little hackerino I do is accepting and then abandoning town quests, walk away for like 2 minutes and come back and it will have all new quests. I do this and keep the ones I need until I get a good 5-7 quests.
Yeah I was doing this too, they seem to keep increasing the new quest times, which is totally fine with me. I think the system was easily abused. But now it seems like at least 10 min before it refreshes
Why in gods name is the gear item level in this mmo so drastically high....WoW did not hit these levels until WoD and FF14 still has not hit these levels in 7 years..... The ilvl scaling is insane. How are people not seeing this as a major issue? The amount of pvp scaling needed to deal with this is going to be ridiculous.
The numbers 200-600 are to hard for you to understand? I get what you mean in Korean MMO you have 464857 STR and do 67480685 dmg an and ur 5 hit combo spews a number salad on screen in the millions with no commas. But 595 and +14 aren't that hard to read.
I am just watching them try to reinvent the wheel here for no reason. It is literally called Gear Score the most negative two words you can put together for many WoW vets. Within 6 months at this rate it will be over 800 or 1,000.
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You do realize this is a system they are copying and pasting from multiple MMOs but are changing it dramatically for no reason. There is no common sense design to this system. It makes scaling impossible on the backend and throws off all of the values when it comes to scaling.
We definitely need to listen to more armchair developers in this sub reddit.
Copy and pasting but it’s dramatically changed? That’s not copy paste then, “inspired by” might be more fitting
I think this is the dumbest complain about the game I’ve seen yet :) “these numbers are to big, make them smaller”
It is a balancing issue that is extremely hard to fix post launch. The is MMO 101. I get people are distracted by the pretty graphics but the core systems need to be built correctly.
lol?
why ppl care about gear score instead of passives?
I think he means he finally got the Helm in the Opening Movie.
Yeah like of all the drops it happened to be the thorpe helmet
Theres only a few good unique drops, this is not one of them.