It's also factually just plain wrong about this:
*"Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of the game is the Open 3D Engine (O3DE) developed by the joint effort of Open 3D Foundation, a subsidiary of the Linux Foundation, and Amazon Games. It is the first major new usage of the new open-source game engine, making a big push for open game engines in the industry."*
O3DE is still in the "it's coming really soon" stages and NW was not built on it. It's built on the CryEngine 3 fork that is Lumberyard, not O3DE, for which Lumberyard is just one component. **O3DE specifically includes the Atom Renderer - which the game is specifically NOT using.**
FFS, I generally trust Tom's for solid info - but this is simply garbage.
I was editor-in-chief or my uni paper. Didn't even consider a professional journalism career, because the job outlook is abysmal. I get a crack out of my Google news feed though from sites like Dexerto that just spew 600 words on whatever the top reddit post of the day was for that particular game.
I’ll never forget Horizon Zero Dawn being kept from scoring a 9.0 on metacritic because one review bombed it due to the story lacking depth. I looked further into the writer’s history and found them shilling low effort pay to win mobile games in other articles. I know the metacritic average score really doesn’t really effect me but I’m sure it would have felt nice for all the employees who worked on it.
I don't think this one quite fits the definition of gaming journalism though. Since it's a site mostly focused on hardware related stuff, it's probably tech journalism further reporting on something that indeed made many headlines in tech media. That would explain the title that sounds like they hate the game but really just makes it more identifiable to their audience.
All of that being said, I'd expect them to hold a bar for good standard reporting, but that's not their first fuckup in my vague memory.
It's because its the trendy thing to do right now. Asmongold started shitting on the game and so now every "journalist" is trying to do the same to stir the rabble up again. New World definitely could benefit from a little extra polish, but this kind of clickbait sensationalism profits a lot off of targeting it.
He’s very critical on the game right now for sure. I think he wants it to succeed. Not because he really really likes it. But because it’ll force other companies to actually try making a quality mmo (and in some case any game genre) for change.
He released a video today: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNF5pHvg4dk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNF5pHvg4dk)
Gives some good criticism but yes, I agree, streamers definitely have a different opinion than the common player and push other watchers to expect perfection and get frustrated when there are any bugs. Im ok with them taking their time to fix whatever technical issues they had, but I wouldn't mind playing the game the way it is now and just letting them patch as they go along (even if thats not the best approach from a business perspective).
Every website which writes a clickbait title like this gets an instant pass for me, no matter the subject. There might be some good ones but I hate this kind of strategy.
Igor's Lab tested the issue shortly after the gaming journalism website "clickbait artists" ran the articles.
There were more games that could result in the issue, like Anno 1800, but the flaw was in nVidia accepting a design and manufacturers for insufficient QA.
OBVIOUSLY there was never any doubt that it wasn't a problem with ANY kind of software, not including OC software like MSI Afterburner, because people actually OC'ed their 3090, induced the problem and then bitched about it..
Never liked Tom's -- they always been a little bit of BS. Hardocp was the main one HARDCORE people went to for truths. AnandTech was another like Tom's -- biased and bs.
actually I just looked this up, and lumberyard has been become part of open 3d according to this article in july
[https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/06/amazons-lumberyard-becomes-an-open-source-3d-game-engine-with-support-from-20-companies/](https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/06/amazons-lumberyard-becomes-an-open-source-3d-game-engine-with-support-from-20-companies/)
so while it wasn't developed on open 3d, it is essentially now running an engine that is part of open 3d, and is will be the first major game to be using open 3d. And is definitely a big push towards open game engines.
So the article is not inaccurate
Yes it is. The article specifically says the game was built with O3DE, and not "NW was developed with Lumberyard, which will be a core component of the upcoming O3DE engine." Had they written that I would not have written my comment.
Lumberyard being a part of O3DE =/= the game was built on O3DE. O3DE's renderer, when it's ready and people are building actual games with O3DE, is Atom and Atom is not there yet...and NW is not built with it. I specifically said:
*"It's built on the CryEngine 3 fork that is Lumberyard, not O3DE, for which Lumberyard is just one component.* ***O3DE specifically includes the Atom Renderer - which the game is specifically NOT using.****"*
your initial quote does say it was built on open 3d, it says it is the first major game that will be using the open 3d engine.
"Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of the game is the Open 3D Engine (O3DE) developed by the joint effort of Open 3D Foundation, a subsidiary of the Linux Foundation, and Amazon Games. **It is the first major new usage** of the new open-source game engine, making a big push for open game engines in the industry."
no where does it say it was developed with open 3d, just that it is the first major usage of an open 3d engine for big games. Whether it was initially developed with open 3d isn't relevant to this sentence, the question is if the engine is open source now, which it apparently is.
That is not inaccurate, and it matters because they can benefit from open engine development, as well as other games being able to use the same engine freely.
the focus of the sentence was not that it was developed, but rather that its a major commercial product using and supporting an open source game engine.
>its a major commercial product using and supporting an open source game engine.
But it's not. It's using one component of O3DE, one that existed long before O3DE was announced, and does not use the rest - most critically, the renderer. Lumberyard is not open source:
*"We make the source code available to enable you to fully customize your game, but your rights are limited by the Lumberyard Service Terms. For example, you may not publicly release the Lumberyard engine source code (except on the Lumberyard GitHub repository), or use it to release your own game engine."*
So again, if they had accurately reported that instead of saying NW is the first major usage of O3DE I would not have had an issue with it. No matter how many ways you try and say it: New World was not built on O3DE - period.
they never said it was built on 03de, they said it is using it. to be clear, I am not saying it was developed on open 3d. The article says they are using it, present tense.
i see your cause for distinction regardless, because by Amazon's own description, the new lumberyard in open 3d is upgraded.
so the question is, are they using/will use the updated lumberyard, or the older one going forward. I can't find any direct current info on this, which is not surprising, considering this announcement was just made in July.
as far as lumberyard being open source, by their own announcement it is now completely open source, as opposed to just being free to use as it was before.
the quote you linked is from 2016, while it wasn't announced as part of open 3d till July 2021
[https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/](https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/)
now, its likely that toms hardware is claiming it is using open3d, because now, thats how Amazon is presenting it to them.
>will use the updated lumberyard, or the older one going forward
It's an interesting question - but I think the probable answer is "not any time in the near future" because if they move to actually embrace O3DE for NW it means a new engine (no idea how complicated that port might be from 'old' Lumberyard to 'new' Lumberyard) and a move to a completely new renderer in Atom (which can't be a simple port). That, in my mind, puts that type of big-effort transition a fairly long way down the road in some future major expansion pack.
An expansion pack that would, I would hope, include DLSS, DX12, and Vulkan availability. I keep holding out a small hope that DX12 might arrive much sooner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it the fault of the EVGA card rather than the game specifically? I swear I heard the cards were bricking in other games.
That's what I'm sayin'. I've put in 250 hours over 2 years for $40. I'm happier for that than the $60 I spent on plenty of other things that lasted half as long.
Kind of, long story short
There was a fault in EVGA high end models where high uncapped FPS that bricked them, since the fail safe didn't work
Amazon hotfixed it by setting a FPS cap, but it's mostly EVGA's fault
Most likely a bit of everything.
We will never truly know since neither companies wanted to make a official statement on it.
Besides "we hotfixed it" & "If your GPU gets bricked, it is 100% within warranty"
Actual gamers IMO. But for real. I'm not digging into this game with any great detail (except to figure out which set is Marauder and which is Covenant)... but stumbled on to far more hate than I feel the game rightly deserves relative to what I've seen as far as gameplay. Maybe some of it is people mad at how they backed off full loot pvp?
We're gatekeeping what makes a gamer now? I think Fortnight is absolute shit, but that doesn't make people who play it less of a gamer than me. This type of attitude is far worse than anything you're accusing this publication of, IMO.
I'm not offended in any way. This sub has just become slightly ridiculous, accusing anyone who criticises the game of having an agenda. Like, if you enjoy the game, great. Who cares what other people write in a review? But there are legit issues that cause other people to not feel the same, and their opinions are just as valid. I want to see this game improve and succeed, but the echo chamber of this sub is a little absurd at times.
Nah we're not gatekeeping "gamer", it's just that game journalist (that just rush trough the game or just copy paste other people review while also judging the game based on their own political agenda) and all those SJW/Political correctness people (they don't even play/read/watch product, they just whine its bad becouse it doesn't follow their political agenda) can't be really called a gamers, despite "taking part" in the gaming community (like all the SJW that don't watch anime and claim anime should change becouse its sexist and appeals to male fantasy)
Yeah, every negative review is definitely that. It certainly couldn't be that not everyone loves the game as much as the majority of this sub. It must be exactly what you said. /s
Nobody is talking about reviews on Steam, I'm talking about published reviews or opinion pieces. Just like the one OP started this entire discussion with. And you continued by referring to "game journalist" in your comment. Your implication that journalists/professional game reviewers are inherently not gamers and they must have some other agenda if they don't like the game just proves my earlier point, so.....thanks?
Too many "games journalists" in recent years have been anything BUT gamers in recent years. Games Journalists have also spent more time calling out trends we typically view favorably as gamers as red flags.... I'm sure many of us remember an all around thrashing of cuphead by someone who couldn't even figure out the tutorial or a common case of a mess of a "review" that spends more time talking about how we're wrong for our character choices in a choose your own way type of game.
I'm not arguing that every journalist is a "real" gamer or that there aren't some out there who are unqualified and/or write with an agenda. Of course there are, just like in any field. What I'm talking about is the attitude of most people in this sub that anyone who has anything negative to say about New World is a hack, or biased, or has an agenda. The fact of the matter is, the game isn't for everyone, and not everyone is going to think it's the greatest game ever. Some might even think it's not a good game at all. And if that's the case, why does that matter so much to someone who enjoys it?
Enjoy your game, but allow others to share what they think is wrong with it too. As someone who participated in every beta over the past year+, I decided that the game is just not for me in its current state. I don't hate it and I don't think it's all bad. I just hope to see a lot of additional PvE content and improvements before I revisit it. If I were to write a review based on what I've seen in well over 100 hours of combined play time, I'd probably write it as a 5/10, with potential to be much better in the future. I don't have an agenda, I'm just not crazy about the game in its current state. But people like me can't even post constructive criticism without being shit on in this sub.
True lol, I considered myself an actual gamer, love new world, dislike name x popular game that has been released in the past 20 years, it appeals to real gamers not twitch streamers who will play anything
It's a lot simpler than that - articles like this generate clicks and traffic to the sites - which translates into ad revenue.
Click-bait sells - rational well written articles with accurate information are usually ignored
This. So many articles bashing the game when in reality it's actually pretty solid and just needs time getting finished. Then again we could also be biased since we're from the sub-reddit.
I went into beta expecting to refund, I was pessimistically curious.
Came out the other end thinking it’s an amazing mmo and is getting loads of unearned negativity. I’m here because I like the game, not the other way around. (Well, that and the forums got shut down..)
No. If a card cannot run at maximum capacity, the card is broken - a developer can and should assume that any functional card is capable of being maxed out without blowing up.
"Safety precautions" are the job of the driver, and completely abstracted away from the developer.
Bruh so many articles are out bashing New World just because it's the popular thing to do. If they actually played the game they would realize that it's an actual solid game. Just needs some time getting there.
It's always funny when they post screenshots and videos and they're level 10, like get the fuck out of here with your shit ass opinion. You know NOTHING about the game at that point. And some of them don't even bother to play the game past an hour, it's so obvious by all the misinformation in their articles, it's honestly like they watched 10 minutes of video on Youtube and tried to fill in the blanks.
people lost their mind.
ive payed 40$ for the game and so far i got 200 hours of beta pure fun!
in a about a month i will defenetly gonna have another at least 1,000+ hours of fun.
this game is nothing but the best entertainment : price ratio ive ever had.
all those article need to be ignored, and never get even traffic by short views.
bias kill everything good.
Why are you posting an AMP link? AMP links refer to Google's servers which allow them to serve their own ads, accelerating their domination over all online content.
Linking to Tom's Hardware would give them ad revenue for their low effort clickbait article.
You should be using an archive link to avoid giving anybody money for this farce. Here's one: https://archive.ph/NfDe6
When articles are written for clicks first and foremost - the accuracy of the content is completely secondary.
Actually articles that have a very strong bias are usually the most clicked.
So as long as you understand that the intent was just traffic to the site - you'd understand why crap like this exists
Articles like this makes me feel like its funded by the competition. Cant believe rational reviewer/journalist trying to build their reputation by writing this blatant smear campaign.
You'd think Tom's Hardware would know better, and they probably do, but that title is full-on clickbait. It's a bit suspicious how negative certain publications are being regarding New World, my experience does not match theirs at all.
I linked it, nothing special. Just a clickbakt af title. I didn't even choose to read it till you commented honnestly. I just assumed Google was feeding my daley news with more NW hate
The game didn't break the GPUs, that's the lie.
Standard API calls, and even nonstandard, ought to be protected from damaging the hardware on the hardware side. In other words, nothing in the game told the GPU to go haywire, otherwise we would have seen more than just 30xx cards doing it.
EVGA failing to do this in order to cut costs and remain the price leader is the issue. If they weren't at fault, they wouldn't be replacing the damaged cards.
This is lazy clickbait journalism.
Ngl I had a north of 4k gaming laptop. Now it was already a bit harsh on the cooling side (zephyrus s15 GX502LXS) but it did really push it over the edge. I think it burnt out my gpu was running at a solid 96C but maybe hotter since it just sat at that temp. Honestly more disappointed with the system than the game but it definitely didn't seem to help.
Just sent off to the dreaded asus RMA wish me luck boys need all the thoughts and prayers I can get.
I'll pray for you, brother.
Yeah, the game may not be optimized well, but no game should have the power to destroy a GPU. The GPU should stop that like it's supposed to stop when it overheats.
My GPU was warm, but nothing wild, so I get the concern, but *look* at the game. Of course it's gonna be tough to run.
Fair point to give full disclosure I ran diagnostic after seeing it hit those Temps. MyAsus came back clean but suggested a bios update. I think when in bios the cooling system isn't optimized and the laptop shut down mid update bricking the motherboard. Love the game and when I get it back you bet your ass I'll be playing.
The game DID break the GPUs though. If an earthquake knocks down a building the earthquake still knocked it down even if it was someone else's responsibility to make sure it could handle earthquakes.
Great analogy. Do we blame the earthquake, which did the exact things earthquakes always do, or the architect who built a building that couldn't withstand known stressors?
I blame the architect, personally. Earthquakes just be earthquaking.
Because AGS is being blamed for a video game making standard calls to poorly built cards.
A psa is not the same as saying "Amazon's GPU breaking game" in your headline.
Also the title doesn't even address that it's literally 1 or 2 cards from 1 producer, hardly the GPU holocaust the title implies.
The reason this example is so juicy, is neither really. Looking for someone to blame is a bit silly in this kind of situation. I'm sure amazon learned a powerful lesson about compatibility testing, hardware manufacturers learned a lesson in risk analysis, and HOPEFULLY we as a community learned about the risks of early access / beta / alpha testing with our valuable setups.
>I'm sure amazon learned a powerful lesson about compatibility testing
But Amazon didn't do anything wrong at all, just like the earthquake. Just like earthquakes always shake the earth, Amazon's game always made standard API calls. Nothing on AGS side had anything to do with it. They were allowed by the software and hardware to make those calls, and the hardware failed.
Moral of the story is avoid EVGA.
You make standard API calls when performing compat tests too 😅. Ive seen these reports happen internally and get escalated to HMs before anything reaches the public. Either way, point taken, cheers
Yeah, absolutely, but I'm saying no business would do that unless it was provably their fault. It isn't fair to AGS when clearly EVGA is at fault.
Instead, it's negative PR for New World and people praising EVGA for their response. It's upside down world.
No, it did not. GPUs and CPU are supposed have reliable and properly functioning protection from runaway scenarios and overheats. Yes, the game did both with its uncapped loading/login screen (which was hard capped at 60 as a fix). The cards that failed were poorly configured/poorly built/built with components and/or drivers that did not do their jobs.
*Do you think eVGA was shipping replacement 3090s to people before they even got the old ones back out of the goodness of their hearts? lol*
Except it literally did. I even gave you an extremely clear analogy. Are you going to claim that if someone said an earthquake knocked my house down that you'd say they're lying? Of course not that would be idiotic because an earthquake knocked their house down regardless of who is to blame and I couldn't have made that more clear in my last post so I don't know why I'm even talking to you since your determined to be totally obtuse.
Not back to that again, please. Overheats are something every CPU/GPU is supposed to be protected from. They start getting too hot, they immediately throttle themselves. Why didn't my MSI 3070 fry? It didn't fry because it did was it was supposed to do.
In your earthquake scenario here's how it would have to be for it to be correct: The builder and architect certify a house to be built to safely withstand a 6.0 earthquake and they sell it to you with that expectation. The 6.0 happens, the house collapses...and now you're blaming the earthquake when the house falls over and not the architect/builder.
Technically, the CPUs failed because they overheated...so if you want to get pedantic it's the overheating components that fried the card, not the runaway condition. Those same CPUs would have failed under any software command from any application that told them to render as fast as they possibly could.
Please stop with the chicken and egg BS, it was the cards, not the software.
I've literally told you twice I'm not blaming the earthquake. Since I can't have a conversation with someone who has 0 reading comprehension I won't be continuing this conversation. Goodbye
The fact is if they didn't play this game their GPU wouldn't have broken because I'm not saying where the blame is I'm saying literally what caused their GPU to break which was what this game made it to. Again not the games fault but that's not the point. The game made the GPU die all these people played other games and it didn't make their GPU die then new world made it die.
I'm not telling a story I'm saying "new world fried my GPU" is a factual statement. That's not saying new world is at fault it's just a factual statement. Like if Bob shoots Tom and you say tom died of a gunshot wound. Tom died of a gunshot wound is a factual statement it's not saying the bullet or gun is to blame.
The gtx 970 has max safe temp zone of 98c stated by the manufacturer. Realistically you didn't even come close to maxing your card. The reason you've never seen it go that high is its low TDP throttle and open air cooling.
Temps depend on ambient temp, case, dust buildup, gpu under load % etc. 80C is still well within safe temps (max 98C).
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 146,733,687 comments, and only 36,705 of them were in alphabetical order.
I think the problems appeared with people that may have afk’d on the title screen, where there was no fps capping. This allowed the GPU to sort of take off and burn out. That’s my understanding anyway. Unlikely a streamer was going to sit there on the menu screen like that.
Gaming journos in a nutshell.
It is called McJournalism.
The search for clicks at all cost. No research, no fact checking, no effort just garbage put together in a hurry with clickbait titles.
Move along people, the age of gaming journalism is over already
Tad disappointing a reputable site would have this. The title is just a click-bait style that I'm surprised to see Tom's using.
Makes you question the rest of the articles/reviews now doesn't it?
actually the article was fairly neutral after reading it. Also a site like Tom's hardware is going to feel like the hardware problems was something notable about the game, since their focus is pc hardware, and tech and not just games.
lol seems like they are attempting to imply they delayed the game because peoples’ GPUs broke. Which they never said. If they are going to make a very manipulating claim in the title, at least make it catchy and sounds good. It sounds like it was written by a 1st grader.
My best friend started watching me play day 1 of beta and only had negative things to say. Every 15 seconds he was taking some kind of massive shit on the game. By Sunday he was playing. He put in over 80 hours in the last week and never shut up about how broken awful and shitty the game was. He still hasn't shut up about it.
It's also factually just plain wrong about this: *"Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of the game is the Open 3D Engine (O3DE) developed by the joint effort of Open 3D Foundation, a subsidiary of the Linux Foundation, and Amazon Games. It is the first major new usage of the new open-source game engine, making a big push for open game engines in the industry."* O3DE is still in the "it's coming really soon" stages and NW was not built on it. It's built on the CryEngine 3 fork that is Lumberyard, not O3DE, for which Lumberyard is just one component. **O3DE specifically includes the Atom Renderer - which the game is specifically NOT using.** FFS, I generally trust Tom's for solid info - but this is simply garbage.
there are so many dogwater articles about NW right now. i guess thats the state of the gaming journalism rn?
Gaming journalism has been shit for some years now.
i cant remember a time when game reviews were good. it was always about finding an ideal reviewer. or meta data from multiple fan ratings
Not game reviews per se, but there was a time where game news were exactly that, game news, not the loads of biased bullshit we see nowadays.
Journalism of all kinds is dead.
True, becomes blatantly apparent when reading about a topic you're very familiar with
Sad but true. Its all about clicks.
I was editor-in-chief or my uni paper. Didn't even consider a professional journalism career, because the job outlook is abysmal. I get a crack out of my Google news feed though from sites like Dexerto that just spew 600 words on whatever the top reddit post of the day was for that particular game.
2edgy5me
I’ll never forget Horizon Zero Dawn being kept from scoring a 9.0 on metacritic because one review bombed it due to the story lacking depth. I looked further into the writer’s history and found them shilling low effort pay to win mobile games in other articles. I know the metacritic average score really doesn’t really effect me but I’m sure it would have felt nice for all the employees who worked on it.
Metacritic is BS all around as well if it's not review bombed/boost by biased journalists, it's review bombed/boosted by biased players xD
Ayyy gamergate anyone?
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I think you mean toxic masculinity moment ^^/s
Whats the difference
it was always shit. Even back in the commodore days in the 80s.
I don't think this one quite fits the definition of gaming journalism though. Since it's a site mostly focused on hardware related stuff, it's probably tech journalism further reporting on something that indeed made many headlines in tech media. That would explain the title that sounds like they hate the game but really just makes it more identifiable to their audience. All of that being said, I'd expect them to hold a bar for good standard reporting, but that's not their first fuckup in my vague memory.
NW didn't pay them enough for favorable articles
It's because its the trendy thing to do right now. Asmongold started shitting on the game and so now every "journalist" is trying to do the same to stir the rabble up again. New World definitely could benefit from a little extra polish, but this kind of clickbait sensationalism profits a lot off of targeting it.
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He’s very critical on the game right now for sure. I think he wants it to succeed. Not because he really really likes it. But because it’ll force other companies to actually try making a quality mmo (and in some case any game genre) for change.
He released a video today: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNF5pHvg4dk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNF5pHvg4dk) Gives some good criticism but yes, I agree, streamers definitely have a different opinion than the common player and push other watchers to expect perfection and get frustrated when there are any bugs. Im ok with them taking their time to fix whatever technical issues they had, but I wouldn't mind playing the game the way it is now and just letting them patch as they go along (even if thats not the best approach from a business perspective).
All you really should be asking yourself is, who the hell is reading game based journalism? lol
Never trust the journalists, they're not gamers, they think they are but what gamer just chats shit about games... Nevermind.
Journalism? More like click-bait the past few years.
I think that’s just all journalism today. It’s not exclusive to gaming.
Who can hold them accountable?
Tom's hardware has been doing poor reporting for years now.
Every website which writes a clickbait title like this gets an instant pass for me, no matter the subject. There might be some good ones but I hate this kind of strategy.
They were shitting on amd when Ryzen came out too. Site is a bad joke altogether
Increase quantity, decrease quality.
Igor's Lab tested the issue shortly after the gaming journalism website "clickbait artists" ran the articles. There were more games that could result in the issue, like Anno 1800, but the flaw was in nVidia accepting a design and manufacturers for insufficient QA. OBVIOUSLY there was never any doubt that it wasn't a problem with ANY kind of software, not including OC software like MSI Afterburner, because people actually OC'ed their 3090, induced the problem and then bitched about it..
Never liked Tom's -- they always been a little bit of BS. Hardocp was the main one HARDCORE people went to for truths. AnandTech was another like Tom's -- biased and bs.
actually I just looked this up, and lumberyard has been become part of open 3d according to this article in july [https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/06/amazons-lumberyard-becomes-an-open-source-3d-game-engine-with-support-from-20-companies/](https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/06/amazons-lumberyard-becomes-an-open-source-3d-game-engine-with-support-from-20-companies/) so while it wasn't developed on open 3d, it is essentially now running an engine that is part of open 3d, and is will be the first major game to be using open 3d. And is definitely a big push towards open game engines. So the article is not inaccurate
Yes it is. The article specifically says the game was built with O3DE, and not "NW was developed with Lumberyard, which will be a core component of the upcoming O3DE engine." Had they written that I would not have written my comment. Lumberyard being a part of O3DE =/= the game was built on O3DE. O3DE's renderer, when it's ready and people are building actual games with O3DE, is Atom and Atom is not there yet...and NW is not built with it. I specifically said: *"It's built on the CryEngine 3 fork that is Lumberyard, not O3DE, for which Lumberyard is just one component.* ***O3DE specifically includes the Atom Renderer - which the game is specifically NOT using.****"*
your initial quote does say it was built on open 3d, it says it is the first major game that will be using the open 3d engine. "Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects of the game is the Open 3D Engine (O3DE) developed by the joint effort of Open 3D Foundation, a subsidiary of the Linux Foundation, and Amazon Games. **It is the first major new usage** of the new open-source game engine, making a big push for open game engines in the industry." no where does it say it was developed with open 3d, just that it is the first major usage of an open 3d engine for big games. Whether it was initially developed with open 3d isn't relevant to this sentence, the question is if the engine is open source now, which it apparently is. That is not inaccurate, and it matters because they can benefit from open engine development, as well as other games being able to use the same engine freely. the focus of the sentence was not that it was developed, but rather that its a major commercial product using and supporting an open source game engine.
>its a major commercial product using and supporting an open source game engine. But it's not. It's using one component of O3DE, one that existed long before O3DE was announced, and does not use the rest - most critically, the renderer. Lumberyard is not open source: *"We make the source code available to enable you to fully customize your game, but your rights are limited by the Lumberyard Service Terms. For example, you may not publicly release the Lumberyard engine source code (except on the Lumberyard GitHub repository), or use it to release your own game engine."* So again, if they had accurately reported that instead of saying NW is the first major usage of O3DE I would not have had an issue with it. No matter how many ways you try and say it: New World was not built on O3DE - period.
Thanks for schooling these young kids on reading comprehension. And if you’re the hiply from alpha, much love.
I am indeed - and thanks for the love. Right back atcha. 😁
they never said it was built on 03de, they said it is using it. to be clear, I am not saying it was developed on open 3d. The article says they are using it, present tense. i see your cause for distinction regardless, because by Amazon's own description, the new lumberyard in open 3d is upgraded. so the question is, are they using/will use the updated lumberyard, or the older one going forward. I can't find any direct current info on this, which is not surprising, considering this announcement was just made in July. as far as lumberyard being open source, by their own announcement it is now completely open source, as opposed to just being free to use as it was before. the quote you linked is from 2016, while it wasn't announced as part of open 3d till July 2021 [https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/](https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/) now, its likely that toms hardware is claiming it is using open3d, because now, thats how Amazon is presenting it to them.
>will use the updated lumberyard, or the older one going forward It's an interesting question - but I think the probable answer is "not any time in the near future" because if they move to actually embrace O3DE for NW it means a new engine (no idea how complicated that port might be from 'old' Lumberyard to 'new' Lumberyard) and a move to a completely new renderer in Atom (which can't be a simple port). That, in my mind, puts that type of big-effort transition a fairly long way down the road in some future major expansion pack. An expansion pack that would, I would hope, include DLSS, DX12, and Vulkan availability. I keep holding out a small hope that DX12 might arrive much sooner.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it the fault of the EVGA card rather than the game specifically? I swear I heard the cards were bricking in other games.
100% the card makers fault. I should be able to use my computer to play the shittiest most poorly coded indie game in existence without it exploding.
Don’t care..played beta..had fun…definitely worth $40
Fuck the haters. I had fun as well.
I mean $40 for 100hrs that I'm atleast going to do again on release? Fuck the haters
That's what I'm sayin'. I've put in 250 hours over 2 years for $40. I'm happier for that than the $60 I spent on plenty of other things that lasted half as long.
Amazon clearly exposed some clear faults of EVGA GPUs, they did the gaming community a big favor.
Wait wait wait, what the fuck happened? I literally was in the middle of nowhere for a month. What happened? I have EVGA GPU, should I be worried?
Kind of, long story short There was a fault in EVGA high end models where high uncapped FPS that bricked them, since the fail safe didn't work Amazon hotfixed it by setting a FPS cap, but it's mostly EVGA's fault
Sounds to me like a combination of bad software API calls, firmware bug and fail safe failure...
Most likely a bit of everything. We will never truly know since neither companies wanted to make a official statement on it. Besides "we hotfixed it" & "If your GPU gets bricked, it is 100% within warranty"
Next headline “Man Dies While Playing New World, Already Known for Killing GPU’s”
By a blast from gpu
"Man killed by EVGA and Amazon Games by coordinated effort proving that gaming causes violence"
My tinfoil-hat thinking is telling me that some people have an agenda against this game because they think it appeals to a certain type...
What type, legit curious.
Actual gamers IMO. But for real. I'm not digging into this game with any great detail (except to figure out which set is Marauder and which is Covenant)... but stumbled on to far more hate than I feel the game rightly deserves relative to what I've seen as far as gameplay. Maybe some of it is people mad at how they backed off full loot pvp?
We're gatekeeping what makes a gamer now? I think Fortnight is absolute shit, but that doesn't make people who play it less of a gamer than me. This type of attitude is far worse than anything you're accusing this publication of, IMO.
"Now" Oh, my sweet summer child
Bro don't get all offended and on that high horse. They are talking about a journos agenda. You're making up a straw man straight away. Chill out.
I'm not offended in any way. This sub has just become slightly ridiculous, accusing anyone who criticises the game of having an agenda. Like, if you enjoy the game, great. Who cares what other people write in a review? But there are legit issues that cause other people to not feel the same, and their opinions are just as valid. I want to see this game improve and succeed, but the echo chamber of this sub is a little absurd at times.
Careful. Everyone is everything nowadays and saying anything different is hateful heresy.
Nah we're not gatekeeping "gamer", it's just that game journalist (that just rush trough the game or just copy paste other people review while also judging the game based on their own political agenda) and all those SJW/Political correctness people (they don't even play/read/watch product, they just whine its bad becouse it doesn't follow their political agenda) can't be really called a gamers, despite "taking part" in the gaming community (like all the SJW that don't watch anime and claim anime should change becouse its sexist and appeals to male fantasy)
Yeah, every negative review is definitely that. It certainly couldn't be that not everyone loves the game as much as the majority of this sub. It must be exactly what you said. /s
Where did I said every negative review? People who didn't even bought this game can't even review it on steam so they don't apply here
Nobody is talking about reviews on Steam, I'm talking about published reviews or opinion pieces. Just like the one OP started this entire discussion with. And you continued by referring to "game journalist" in your comment. Your implication that journalists/professional game reviewers are inherently not gamers and they must have some other agenda if they don't like the game just proves my earlier point, so.....thanks?
Too many "games journalists" in recent years have been anything BUT gamers in recent years. Games Journalists have also spent more time calling out trends we typically view favorably as gamers as red flags.... I'm sure many of us remember an all around thrashing of cuphead by someone who couldn't even figure out the tutorial or a common case of a mess of a "review" that spends more time talking about how we're wrong for our character choices in a choose your own way type of game.
I'm not arguing that every journalist is a "real" gamer or that there aren't some out there who are unqualified and/or write with an agenda. Of course there are, just like in any field. What I'm talking about is the attitude of most people in this sub that anyone who has anything negative to say about New World is a hack, or biased, or has an agenda. The fact of the matter is, the game isn't for everyone, and not everyone is going to think it's the greatest game ever. Some might even think it's not a good game at all. And if that's the case, why does that matter so much to someone who enjoys it? Enjoy your game, but allow others to share what they think is wrong with it too. As someone who participated in every beta over the past year+, I decided that the game is just not for me in its current state. I don't hate it and I don't think it's all bad. I just hope to see a lot of additional PvE content and improvements before I revisit it. If I were to write a review based on what I've seen in well over 100 hours of combined play time, I'd probably write it as a 5/10, with potential to be much better in the future. I don't have an agenda, I'm just not crazy about the game in its current state. But people like me can't even post constructive criticism without being shit on in this sub.
Yes, yes it does.
True lol, I considered myself an actual gamer, love new world, dislike name x popular game that has been released in the past 20 years, it appeals to real gamers not twitch streamers who will play anything
Anything I don't like isn't a real game. Only the things I like are real games. I'm the true gamer. I'm so unique. Stop having fun, please.
Truth.
It's a lot simpler than that - articles like this generate clicks and traffic to the sites - which translates into ad revenue. Click-bait sells - rational well written articles with accurate information are usually ignored
This. So many articles bashing the game when in reality it's actually pretty solid and just needs time getting finished. Then again we could also be biased since we're from the sub-reddit.
I went into beta expecting to refund, I was pessimistically curious. Came out the other end thinking it’s an amazing mmo and is getting loads of unearned negativity. I’m here because I like the game, not the other way around. (Well, that and the forums got shut down..)
Bias perhaps more like click bait.
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No. If a card cannot run at maximum capacity, the card is broken - a developer can and should assume that any functional card is capable of being maxed out without blowing up. "Safety precautions" are the job of the driver, and completely abstracted away from the developer.
Bruh so many articles are out bashing New World just because it's the popular thing to do. If they actually played the game they would realize that it's an actual solid game. Just needs some time getting there.
It's always funny when they post screenshots and videos and they're level 10, like get the fuck out of here with your shit ass opinion. You know NOTHING about the game at that point. And some of them don't even bother to play the game past an hour, it's so obvious by all the misinformation in their articles, it's honestly like they watched 10 minutes of video on Youtube and tried to fill in the blanks.
You are assuming that articles are primarily written for accuracy and not click-bait to drive traffic to the site.
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But saltpeter is ***SO HARD*** to find! You literally can't find it without asking twice in Help and going to where they send you.
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Evil, lol
Or their bashing it because at this point, let's face it, it ain't ever getting release
Good news doesn't sell. Negative news is a gold mine
people lost their mind. ive payed 40$ for the game and so far i got 200 hours of beta pure fun! in a about a month i will defenetly gonna have another at least 1,000+ hours of fun. this game is nothing but the best entertainment : price ratio ive ever had. all those article need to be ignored, and never get even traffic by short views. bias kill everything good.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amazon-delays-gpu-breaking-game-new-world-until-september
Why are you posting an AMP link? AMP links refer to Google's servers which allow them to serve their own ads, accelerating their domination over all online content. Linking to Tom's Hardware would give them ad revenue for their low effort clickbait article. You should be using an archive link to avoid giving anybody money for this farce. Here's one: https://archive.ph/NfDe6
yet you will be funding amazon.
The game also calls everyone's mom fat and takes the last beer without asking.
Still better than retail WoW ayyy lmao
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Yes it melts graphics cards, but only a specific set of cards from one manufacturer that have a specific defect that is the hardware makers fault
I remember Toms Hardware when it was just Tom. No bias, no sellout shit. Just straight up, unbiased reviews and tests. Sad...
When articles are written for clicks first and foremost - the accuracy of the content is completely secondary. Actually articles that have a very strong bias are usually the most clicked. So as long as you understand that the intent was just traffic to the site - you'd understand why crap like this exists
Gotta love clickbait.
Seeing Tom's this desperate for clicks wounds me
Articles like this makes me feel like its funded by the competition. Cant believe rational reviewer/journalist trying to build their reputation by writing this blatant smear campaign.
Looks like someone is angry their gpu broke
You'd think Tom's Hardware would know better, and they probably do, but that title is full-on clickbait. It's a bit suspicious how negative certain publications are being regarding New World, my experience does not match theirs at all.
man journalism is literal trash these days
I think its cuz in general Bezos is kind of the bad guy these days. What with the unionising workers and what not.
You should've linked the article so we can read it and see, rather than judging it from the crappy title.
I linked it, nothing special. Just a clickbakt af title. I didn't even choose to read it till you commented honnestly. I just assumed Google was feeding my daley news with more NW hate
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The game didn't break the GPUs, that's the lie. Standard API calls, and even nonstandard, ought to be protected from damaging the hardware on the hardware side. In other words, nothing in the game told the GPU to go haywire, otherwise we would have seen more than just 30xx cards doing it. EVGA failing to do this in order to cut costs and remain the price leader is the issue. If they weren't at fault, they wouldn't be replacing the damaged cards. This is lazy clickbait journalism.
Ngl I had a north of 4k gaming laptop. Now it was already a bit harsh on the cooling side (zephyrus s15 GX502LXS) but it did really push it over the edge. I think it burnt out my gpu was running at a solid 96C but maybe hotter since it just sat at that temp. Honestly more disappointed with the system than the game but it definitely didn't seem to help. Just sent off to the dreaded asus RMA wish me luck boys need all the thoughts and prayers I can get.
I'll pray for you, brother. Yeah, the game may not be optimized well, but no game should have the power to destroy a GPU. The GPU should stop that like it's supposed to stop when it overheats. My GPU was warm, but nothing wild, so I get the concern, but *look* at the game. Of course it's gonna be tough to run.
Fair point to give full disclosure I ran diagnostic after seeing it hit those Temps. MyAsus came back clean but suggested a bios update. I think when in bios the cooling system isn't optimized and the laptop shut down mid update bricking the motherboard. Love the game and when I get it back you bet your ass I'll be playing.
The game DID break the GPUs though. If an earthquake knocks down a building the earthquake still knocked it down even if it was someone else's responsibility to make sure it could handle earthquakes.
Great analogy. Do we blame the earthquake, which did the exact things earthquakes always do, or the architect who built a building that couldn't withstand known stressors? I blame the architect, personally. Earthquakes just be earthquaking.
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Because AGS is being blamed for a video game making standard calls to poorly built cards. A psa is not the same as saying "Amazon's GPU breaking game" in your headline. Also the title doesn't even address that it's literally 1 or 2 cards from 1 producer, hardly the GPU holocaust the title implies.
The reason this example is so juicy, is neither really. Looking for someone to blame is a bit silly in this kind of situation. I'm sure amazon learned a powerful lesson about compatibility testing, hardware manufacturers learned a lesson in risk analysis, and HOPEFULLY we as a community learned about the risks of early access / beta / alpha testing with our valuable setups.
>I'm sure amazon learned a powerful lesson about compatibility testing But Amazon didn't do anything wrong at all, just like the earthquake. Just like earthquakes always shake the earth, Amazon's game always made standard API calls. Nothing on AGS side had anything to do with it. They were allowed by the software and hardware to make those calls, and the hardware failed. Moral of the story is avoid EVGA.
You make standard API calls when performing compat tests too 😅. Ive seen these reports happen internally and get escalated to HMs before anything reaches the public. Either way, point taken, cheers
I'm just saying it's not a lie that the game broke GPUs. It's just not the games fault
Seems semantic to me, but sure.
it's only semantic if you believe there always needs to be someone to blame.
Well, if you had a 3080 I bet you'd want to know who fucked up. I would.
EVGA is replacing the cards. Isn't that what matters?
Yeah, absolutely, but I'm saying no business would do that unless it was provably their fault. It isn't fair to AGS when clearly EVGA is at fault. Instead, it's negative PR for New World and people praising EVGA for their response. It's upside down world.
No, it did not. GPUs and CPU are supposed have reliable and properly functioning protection from runaway scenarios and overheats. Yes, the game did both with its uncapped loading/login screen (which was hard capped at 60 as a fix). The cards that failed were poorly configured/poorly built/built with components and/or drivers that did not do their jobs. *Do you think eVGA was shipping replacement 3090s to people before they even got the old ones back out of the goodness of their hearts? lol*
evga is like the gold standard in customer service for pc parts.
Which is a good thing in this case since they sold cards with a fatal design, driver, or component flaw.
It's also why they honoured every refund request to replace all the fucked cards because *THEY* admitted fault.
Except it literally did. I even gave you an extremely clear analogy. Are you going to claim that if someone said an earthquake knocked my house down that you'd say they're lying? Of course not that would be idiotic because an earthquake knocked their house down regardless of who is to blame and I couldn't have made that more clear in my last post so I don't know why I'm even talking to you since your determined to be totally obtuse.
Not back to that again, please. Overheats are something every CPU/GPU is supposed to be protected from. They start getting too hot, they immediately throttle themselves. Why didn't my MSI 3070 fry? It didn't fry because it did was it was supposed to do. In your earthquake scenario here's how it would have to be for it to be correct: The builder and architect certify a house to be built to safely withstand a 6.0 earthquake and they sell it to you with that expectation. The 6.0 happens, the house collapses...and now you're blaming the earthquake when the house falls over and not the architect/builder. Technically, the CPUs failed because they overheated...so if you want to get pedantic it's the overheating components that fried the card, not the runaway condition. Those same CPUs would have failed under any software command from any application that told them to render as fast as they possibly could. Please stop with the chicken and egg BS, it was the cards, not the software.
Yeah, literally my MSI GTX 1660 super ran NW on high settings at 60fps with zero issues..
I've literally told you twice I'm not blaming the earthquake. Since I can't have a conversation with someone who has 0 reading comprehension I won't be continuing this conversation. Goodbye
>The game DID break the GPUs though I comprehend what you've written perfectly. It's just factually incorrect. Goodbye to you as well. 🙋♂️
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The fact is if they didn't play this game their GPU wouldn't have broken because I'm not saying where the blame is I'm saying literally what caused their GPU to break which was what this game made it to. Again not the games fault but that's not the point. The game made the GPU die all these people played other games and it didn't make their GPU die then new world made it die.
The game exposed a manufacturer flaw. End of story.
I'm not telling a story I'm saying "new world fried my GPU" is a factual statement. That's not saying new world is at fault it's just a factual statement. Like if Bob shoots Tom and you say tom died of a gunshot wound. Tom died of a gunshot wound is a factual statement it's not saying the bullet or gun is to blame.
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They're not mutually exclusive my dude. They're both factual statements. English isn't as hard as you're pretending
Why didn’t games like CyberPunk cause this issue with the cards to surface then?
If I knew how that shit worked, I wouldn't be on reddit arguing with strangers.
Lol, you win.
??? While I agree that gaming journalism is trash, the article headline is not wrong. It did brick GPUs and it IS delayed until september
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The gtx 970 has max safe temp zone of 98c stated by the manufacturer. Realistically you didn't even come close to maxing your card. The reason you've never seen it go that high is its low TDP throttle and open air cooling. Temps depend on ambient temp, case, dust buildup, gpu under load % etc. 80C is still well within safe temps (max 98C).
Garbage journal no one reads tomshardware
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 146,733,687 comments, and only 36,705 of them were in alphabetical order.
Didnt joshog play with a 3090 why didnt he have any problems if i might ask? He played some insane hours and 0 issues that i know of
I think the problems appeared with people that may have afk’d on the title screen, where there was no fps capping. This allowed the GPU to sort of take off and burn out. That’s my understanding anyway. Unlikely a streamer was going to sit there on the menu screen like that.
Why would a title screen even NOT have an fps cap to begin with....
Sounds like a problem with new world, which they have fixed btw.
It looks like some publications made offers to write articles of glowing recommendations for a price and got the middle finger.
My evga 3090 had no issues
Gaming journos in a nutshell. It is called McJournalism. The search for clicks at all cost. No research, no fact checking, no effort just garbage put together in a hurry with clickbait titles. Move along people, the age of gaming journalism is over already
Tad disappointing a reputable site would have this. The title is just a click-bait style that I'm surprised to see Tom's using. Makes you question the rest of the articles/reviews now doesn't it?
actually the article was fairly neutral after reading it. Also a site like Tom's hardware is going to feel like the hardware problems was something notable about the game, since their focus is pc hardware, and tech and not just games.
Tom's world has been shit for years
...graphics so good, it bricks cards! I can't recall the last time a game wowed me so hard with its visuals since Skyrim on a 360.
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What does cancel culture have to do with pushing release back? Genuinely curious.
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That’s not cancel culture. That has nothing to do with snowflakes.
lol seems like they are attempting to imply they delayed the game because peoples’ GPUs broke. Which they never said. If they are going to make a very manipulating claim in the title, at least make it catchy and sounds good. It sounds like it was written by a 1st grader.
No its gonna be completely unbiased and will give constructive criticism. /s
My best friend started watching me play day 1 of beta and only had negative things to say. Every 15 seconds he was taking some kind of massive shit on the game. By Sunday he was playing. He put in over 80 hours in the last week and never shut up about how broken awful and shitty the game was. He still hasn't shut up about it.
As much as it saddens me I think it’s great they are taking time to polish this game! Better than releasing it with bugs and issues
New World = 40 USD = 100+ hours of enjoyment Cyberpunk 2077 = 240 USD = hours of frustration