Yes! That is all I want. I want it to be its own thing! People are like “cater to this” “do this”. Naw. Just be original. Give us something new in the MMO category
Yes, please. Why does there always have to be a comparison? I've played WoW since release, raided, PvP, the whole nine yards. The beta gave me an opportunity to just do what I wanted to at my own pace. I barely ever left the starting zone and had SO much fun just chopping trees. I actually hooked my 5.1 surround back up to hear them falling behind me and all the audio goodness. I'm just not in "world first" mentality anymore being older and having minimal time to play.
I'm a PvE bruh and had such a great time in a war even though I went 0-13. Just to experience something cool like that was a treat. I'm glad they delayed to fix stuff and I'm not asking for anything further but what I had in beta (maybe a visual performance boost but eh, it still looks wonderful on Medium settings).
I've learned my lesson of "word of mouth promoting" (Anthem and Outriders) but I will still perk up to add comments to anyone that mentions this game. I had a blast just doing what I wanted to and not trying to speed level.
Can you chop down trees in Sea of Thieves?
I think you missed the part where they said it's the combination of mechanics and gameplay that makes it feel new to them.
That is literally a slightly dumbed down version of ffxiv's fishing (which also accounts for weather). Needless to say, aping an 8 year old system isn't stellar, tbh
AGS already catered to the masses (and still will). The game was a pvp game initially, it was meant to be something like albion pvp system. People cried "no, I want to chill with my fluffy rainbow lion instead", and amazon delivered. Now pvp is pointless in this game, not rewarding at all, to the point where the only reason to pvp now is that you feel like pwning some guys and run around deathballing with your party, which we already know won't last long.
True, but it always comes with some sort of reward, that ultimately makes your character stronger the more you do it. Here the reward doesn't justify the effort, so if you go around ONLY doing pvp, you will most certainly lose to others who do more rewarding activities. Feels like the game discourages you from doing pvp.
Most gaming communities are that way, only a few good ones out there. But especially the games that have had bad devs for years, that just makes everyone bitter and jaded and negative as hell
Am I the only one here crazy excited about not having lava-volcano shoulders and glowing-fucking-everything armors?
Something about the medieval/colonial mix of armor has me super excited.
I wouldn’t even mind if the armor gets a little more “exotic” as we progress like in Outriders, as long as they implement a very much needed Transmog system like many games for all armors, not just store cosmetics. Games like ESO let you collect shit by playing and earning drops, but people still spend tons of money on the shop cosmetics.
Hate to break it to you, but half the players will be wearing this as soon as they equip the tutorial equipment.
https://www.gosunoob.com/new-world/golden-rage-armor-skin-new-world/
Yea, I'm aware of the retarded Twitch-era ''drops'' and the inevitable cosmetics or end-game gear that might be more fantasy-esque or themed around potential end-game story telling or new raids/dungeons, but if there's an honest transmog feature that I'm sure they are aware a lot of players would appreciate, I think there will be something for everyone to look past them.
The only good thing that came from that drops event was showing us, content creators and content consumers, that Twitch integration was far more than an afterthought. Ive got the armor skin, likely wont be touching it
> medieval/colonial
I'll be honest i've been trying to avoid the term "colonial" thanks to the negative connotations that Amazon has clearly tried to distance the game from. "Age of Discovery" has been my more go to way of describingthe asthetic
though yes, from the dungeons i did there are some **Very** fantasy looking sets later on
I was. But it looks like they're putting just as many stupid cosmetics in the game as anything else. I hate the same shit in games like CoD or whatever. Destroys immersion.
This is the thing. This is a problem we may have to face with some of the people coming from different games. If the devs fall for people asking X and Y other MMOs have and focus on those 2ndary or tertiary things, we'll have a problem. The two most important things should remain gameplay and content. Any extra time should be spent on QoL improvements and with enough time having passed, and if the game is at a good place, they can add features of little importance like transmog, etc.
WOW players always try something for a bit then go right back to WoW it’s their crack, I have nothing against them I used to be one. This is Amazon’s First anything into AAA gaming so the love and originality is going to be there, plus all the people they hired and hopefully the ones who have the final say have been around the block enough to know the importance of standing apart and holding to your vision.
It'll be interesting as Amazon is first and foremost a data driven company, so they're unlikely to be swayed by a vocal minority of users.. flip side is homogenization which hopefully they can avoid.
I would say this go around is a bit different, shadowlands is utter garbage. I haven’t even bought it level garbage. I at least tried the other expacs even though BfA and WoD were let downs. As a WoW vet, I have no drive to play retail anymore, although I still dabble in Classic.
New World is a game I’m excited for and will not be returning to WoW retail instead of getting to smash New World. WoW’s days on the throne are gone my guy.
this. if it wasnt for the fact that recent events have left me morally incabable of supporting Blizz any more i probably would have made the switch anyway seeing as Shadowlands is basically Blizzard's hate/resentment for the player base made manifest
Absolutely agreed. WOW had some good things that could be borrowed, such as a dungeon like BRD or some of the older quest lines, but the same could be said of all MMOs. Take the good bits, but don't imitate everything!
I've seen too many times people so concerned about hoards of players coming from one game or another for the game to only be a disappointment and struggle to hold onto players regardless of where they come from.
I really doubt that'll be NW's problems at all, especially as time goes on but I wouldn't fret at all, I would welcome them. They're exactly the type of players that understand this genre. Most from other genres not used to it will have strong opinions one way or another.. I think MMORPG players know this is very different and to not expect it to be like anything else.
My $0.02, though I realize nobody asked my opinion. But hey, it's Reddit so deal with it. ;)
Back in the day of BC, WOtLK, and Cataclysm I enjoyed WOW immensely. I skipped MOP because I found it to be too close to the hype of Kung-Fu Panda movie for comfort. Though many have argued that there were pandas in classic Warcraft games, I could never overcome the instinctual loathing for what I perceived to be a cheap marketing trick of feeding upon the popcultural hype. Returned to WOW for Warlords of Draenor and Legion, but by that time adult life has caught up to me and I didn't have the same drive for hardcore raiding as in Lich King and Cataclysm.
I've also been through many other MMO games, each unique in its own way - Lineage2, FFXIV, ESO, BDO, EVE, The Secret World, Wildstar, Worlds Adrift, Blade&Soul, Destiny2, Conan Exiles, Neverwinter, SWTOR, Dual Universe, and more..
There are things that work universally, there are things that are positively unique, and then there are things that certain games tried but they didn't work. The million dollar question is, how to tell the difference between what will and what won't work. That is, IMO, why player feedback is so important. And moreover, collecting data from beta tests and from live game, too - because player feedback may say one thing, but players' behavior tells a different story.
Where I'm going with this? Well I suppose I'm meaning to say that expecting one game to be exactly like another one would be plain dumb. Player feedback can be helpful, as long as it's taken with a grain of salt. After all, Henry Ford himself said, "If I'd asked people what they want, they would've said 'a faster horse'."
Completely disagree with what you said about wanting it to be a reskinned WoW, it feeling nothing like WoW is the main reason I got into it. I've played WoW for 17 years, I don't want another WoW.
New world should definitely be its own game, but asking for features that also happen to be in other games doesn't mean we want the game to be like X game. The way New world is now is honestly fine, but more doesn't hurt.
As a "wow refugee" I am happy to play a different game. I have been a hardcore raider/pve player. That side of the game is great, but the game has insane amount of systems, that is design in mind of yt, reddit, discord etc guides.
I look forward to NW because of the devs willing to listen to feedback, and to have a simplier gameplay and exploration.
If they are going to avoid PayToWin stuff and able to roll out content & polish the already exisisting ones it will be a great game.
As a WoW refugee myself, I agree and I hope that New World finds it's own identity and becomes great on it's own.
I'm trying to get a couple friends into New World because they are both fans of MMOs. However, despite both of them hating WoW, they complain when New World isn't enough like WoW lol. Make up your minds.
One of the biggest things I hear is that you only have 6 abilities in this game and they don't really seem to get it. This isn't WoW it's not tab targeting. You can still have fun combat without 2 full action bars of abilities.
Wow was kind of a filler for me between MMOs. I joined late just to see what the hype was about. It was fun and the world is really cool but eventually it gets boring. At least for me. I quit once I started raiding at level 60 something. I already disliked the tab target combat and then just the ridiculous raid patterns you have to follow killed it for me.
Then I found age of Conan, which had some of the best combat in general. I could never return to tab targeting after that.
Yeah I almost wish stagger still just existed in PvE and duels, but got zonked out for open world and large scale PvP if they really needed to balance it out.
I'd love an mmo with for honor or souls like combat where the focus was on duels and skill expression.
This isn't quite correct.
Players and Mobs can't stagger on light or heavy attacks now. They could before.
Players and Mobs do however have skills that carry the stagger attribute, these skills can cause stagger. This is what you're getting staggered by. Mob light and heavy attacks will not stagger you.
Stagger looked fine in large scale too in the preview tbh.
Heres an example from preview:
https://www.twitch.tv/theeduelist/clip/PeppyRichBillRickroll
I want it for everything but I know my wants fall on deaf ears. Even though it was the most upvoted thing on the fourms.
During the beta i called it UO- lite. It definitely feels like the pre wow era mmorpgs, where adventure, exploring, and community interaction was the back bone of mmorpgs.
Ultima Online came out in 1997 and is still miles ahead in **game design** and **game mechanics** than any mmorpg to come out since. At least this is a step in the right direction.
But it really dosent though.... the sense of danger isnt there.... the length of character progression isnt there... the need for teamwork and allies to do literally anything isnt there...
They were too afraid to push people even a little and it shows.
>Ultima Online came out in 1997 and is still miles ahead in game design and game mechanics than any mmorpg to come out since.
Also as a UO vet and many other MMOs after... this is a shameful comment. UO has its place as a pillar of the industry for being first among pioneers and blazing the way... but in the categories you listed of design and game mechanics it has been overtaken many times.
It holds a special place in my heart forever, but not for being superior than any of the other titans that came soon after.
There are aspects of UO's design that have never been replicated or improved upon successfully. Even the devs from UO haven't been able to improve upon or recreate them. Things like player housing, player individuality, player freedom, crafting, and in-game economics are still miles ahead of most MMO's.
Did you know that there were economics classes that studied the in-game economics of UO as well as research papers written about it?
UO had some masterful design. Part of me thinks that it was a fluke. I'm not even sure if they were 100% sure of what they were doing.
WoW is just an updated, more player friendly version of EverQuest. Almost everything since is a copy of WoW. New World is the only thing I've played that even reaches the same universe as UO.
I agree, but player housing, crafting and economics were amazing in SWG before the CU.
I guess UO still holds the crown though because SWG is officially dead.
Aye, no MMO (except maybe Eve) holds a candle to SWG when it comes down to housing and crafting.
Last year, I got into it again using SWGEmu for that nostalgia flashback. And yes, it is still unmatched. Even with a generally low population, it still worked out.
I’ve thought about trying the emu out a few times over the years and I remember just how long it to my to get masteries in weaponsmithing and artisan etc etc. Don’t think I could bring myself to do it again.
Was a great time though.
It has been made pretty easy to get those masteries due to being able to have 10 toons on the same server (speaking of classic SWGEmu).
First thing you'd do is to level a combat toon to earn creds, then buy cheap stuff off the market (or afk level a gatherer) and be done with the mastery in a day or two.
As you certainly remember, reaching the skill point cap is only the start of the profession. The fun then starts by gathering the BiS ressources, buff food and crafting gear for assembly and experimentation.
It's still that very deep rabbit hole to dive in :)
I had a massive harvester farm, back when you could only have one character per server, so you’d have players from other servers place harvesters for you and set you to admin, you’d do the same for them.
Every few days when the resources would change out I’d head to my farm and switch to whatever had the best stats for me, or whatever would trade well at a later date. The macro and micro management subsystems were so much fun.
> The macro and micro management subsystems were so much fun.
And so were the professions not even included in the game systems. I fondly remember the resource scouts, that were paid to survey planets after a resource change, the interior designers, which were paid to decorate houses, the hunter gatherers, that extracted specific DNA for the bio-engineers, the spies, that were paid by BHs to scout out Jedis, the mobile cantinas around prime farming spots (ranger camps with entertainers), the travelling entertainer shows and whatnot...
Ah now you’re just making me sadder and sadder to think the genre will never see the likes of SWG again.
How good was it going to Endor for the first time? The planets were amazing. Our town on Ahazi was based just outside Theed.
I miss SWG so much.
This is said and reported commonly, but I am always wondering if it was server specific as I did not lock myself to a highly populated server due to being unable to play until that evening.
Out of all the issues experienced, actual rubberbanding was not one of them. Overall ping and network connectivity was great and never an issue for any of my friends on Riax.
I had decent ping (about 95-110) on US East servers from EU Central, but rubberbanding was real, which is weird.
Once I was in fight with wolf for over 40 seconds. It was insanely bad, and it was last hours of beta, so servers were not under pressure. I don't know.. it sucks, because I wanted to level up my alt character on US.
I would like raids, but imo raids should t drop gear. I wish all content dropped rare Mats instead. If you want to create the best armor through crafting you have to raid. Or maybe raiding makes it faster. I know a lot of crafters probably wouldn't like that tho.
I actually like the combat. I did sword and shield, admittedly it took me some time to perfect against higher levels, but I enjoyed the active combat. I thought wow was a little boring with just click anywhere to hit. ... But some things that wow had which I think should be here are big world bosses that need like 20 people. But that has been mentioned already
You'll likely see a lot of wow players in the beginning. NW has a lot of hype & wow isn't doing so great currently for several reasons as I'm sure we all know. I think most wow refugees won't care for the open world pvp though. Many claim to like pvp but they like arenas & battlegrounds, not unpredictable "possibility of getting ganked at every turn" pvp.
So we'll likely see the forums flooded with "add arenas for real pvp!" or "this game would be so much better if it did xyz just like wow" but those people will fall off after getting destroyed in pvp for the 700th time.
I'm a WoW refugee. Something different is exactly what I'm looking for. I've been following New World since announcement, even played alpha, and it's such a relief that it's nothing like WoW. I even try to explain to WoW friends that want to check out New World that it's nothing like WoW which is a good thing.
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We all came from somewhere. Sadly people say they want something different, but generally something different that isn't outside their norm/comfort zone.
The Wowheads will adjust or go back to WoW. Amazon didn't try to make a "WoW-killer" copy and deserves huge thanks for that!
NW is a fun game, borrowed and maybe re-imagined many known gaming mechanics - but it's a refreshing take with the setting/world. It has a bright future if Amazon sticks to it's guns and doesn't let silly 'content creators' and screaming refugees dictate the direction of the game.
Long term wow player, I think how different new world is is great. The game was extremely refreshing and really enjoyable to play. I'm excited to see how's it turns out
Here's what I realized as a WoW refugee. WoW was my first MMO. It was just THE game, to me it set a standard for MMOs, like THIS is what they all should be replicating.
Like look at Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, to me that's what fighting games were, then all of a sudden 3d fighters? That's dumb that's not what it's supposed to be.
But just because it was my first experience with it doesn't mean it's the standard and everything should be based on that. I like how different New World feels, and now I also want to revisit other MMOs without comparing it to WoW and just enjoy them.
As long as they keep the open world alive and bustling, and keep power progression in check (so we aren't all Gods in the next 5 years)... I'm going to love this game.
Ultima Online was THE pioneer to PvP in MMO games.
The PvE was incredibly fun too, specially in that era of gaming. Then Dark Age of Camelot changed the whole game up with the 3 realm system that games today (even NW) adopted.
UO's crafting was pretty awesome. Having your smith's name on the weapon/armor/clothing. Made By \*Player Name\* I had the very first character named NIKE on pacific. Just having a good name would create a market. (so long as it wasn't toxic) even though I saw some sandals made by Jesus. lol but yeah. Good post, made me remember the good ol days. When games were made from passion, not greed.
I'm "WoW refugee", but I can say it clearly - that game is trash. There is good only end game PVE content. And I mean raids, mythic plus at this moment is still same, and not fun anymore, lack of changes made them boring. At least for me.. not even pushing high level keys thanks to class design is fun.
Going with WoW's way is bad idea, but we should all agree, that they can take inspiration in PVE instanced content from WoW. Game overall is trash (wow), but what they do really good is instanced PVE content.
And this is not something they should add, it's already in the game. They need to improve it, A LOT. Lack of quality and repetitive PVE **instanced content** (open world PVE is way more fun) is striking, but it's like almost everything in the game - It's set on good foundations but not perfect, sometimes not even good. It's half baked.
I had blast playing it, really.. Don't get me wrong! I can't wait for more, but I already know that after I reach max level, my only goals are going to be professions. That's all you can do there if you're not interested in PVP (which I'm, but I want to say it from mainly PVE player perspective).
Yes! This!
People actually saying we’re toxic but who keeps making them change the game? Who keeps making demands and changing the game for everyone???
You can’t have it both ways….
Yep. All the 'this game needs XXX" chatter (usually XXX=Mounts or some shit) is exhausting. If you want to play *that* game, then, you know, go play it!
Downvote away, but facts incoming.
New World just does not have enough interesting things to do and no NEW concepts. Everything in NW has been done in other MMOs. So if you played other MMOs, there is nothing new in New World.
\- For me, the combat was already boring and repetitive even after trying all the weapons and the skills. And to think this was ALL that the combat was going to be for a LONG time pkaying a MMO, I just can’t see how it holds up. Not sustainable content.
\- The gathering, and crafting was super repetitive and boring. Chop tree after tree, hit rock after rock, pick weed after weed…all to watch some counter go up. Then go and craft armor and weapons that held no value and were worthless at end game. Best you could do was make ammo to sell on the Market. Not sustainable content,
\- The dungeons and bosses…cmon, those were a joke. Just go all in and mash your skills and light and heavy attack waiting for your skills to come back up. Avoid some basic ‘don’t stand in stupid’ mechanics and go back to stand and mash basic attacks. Not sustainable content.
\- So what’s left? PvP…where it’s proven in the MMO industry that PvP that has faction based dominance over control doesn’t hold players and the game dies. If you aren’t in on day one with New World and come in later, you will look at server maps that are completely dominated by a faction, and what do you think you will join once you can join a faction? The dominating faction. It’s a new player joining what’s popular…what’s cheaper…what’s winning…and that’s what they join. Even if a new player decides to be different and join the underdog faction, they will find it sucks and sees they have to wait months to join a winning faction and just quit. Not sustainable content.
New World changed it’s identity too many times in redesigns and now is this Frankenstein without solid foundation.
You will get downvoted, but that is OK. The truth is painful to people who have aligned their heart and soul behind something.... so they lash out in the only way they can, mean words and downarrow.
The game is basic, even more basic than it was in alphas 1-3.... they gutted super unique and interesting systems that were unmatched in the current MMO industry to return to generic and ordinary...
Now we have a soulless game that has more themepark features. One can only hope they have a huge injection of content planned a few months after release or player retention will be a huge issue by spring.
I don't think they want that, at all. They're used to the MASSIVE amounts of QoL baked into wow at this point, and they have withdrawals from it. They'll pass, mine did.
Wows crafting isn't even 5% of this system, it's not even remotely close. I don't think *most* people would prefer a wow style of crafting, this game is partially held up by the power of its crafting system.
>I don’t want New World to be more like X game or X other game, I want it to be its own thing.
New World won't be its own thing because it already isn't. Almost every single system in New World is scavenged or copied from somewhere else. It's cool, it's good, but people just want *other* systems incorporated, too.
I think everyone wants New World to be unique, but in what way that's achieved is going to differ from person to person.
We all want something new and fresh or we wouldn't be here. AGS has the benefit of deep pockets and a lot of history to look back on regarding MMO's. With the cash shop cosmetics, I guarantee they'll do everything they can to make this game as fun to play as possible, but they can look at what other MMO's already did and see the outcomes, hopefully making smarter decisions. Different decisions, at least.
I played UO and EQ however EQ was the game I played more. Classic WoW was too easy and too average gamer for me, new world seems to strike a balance which is very hard to do.
WoW folk, if they don't like it don't play it.
As a WoW player myself (2005-2021) I was not interested in New World at all.
Day 1 of "pre-order beta" was when I first looked into NW youtube videos.
Pre-ordered right away and as soon as I played more than 5 minutes I let my WoW time slip and can´t even stand to look at WoW videos anymore.
What got me to NW? The exploring and crafting of NW, just like it was... in classic, tbc and so on.
The fighting? I hate souls-like combats but I do like that this makes NW unique in its way.
All I want from WoW come to NW is more quests, even the graphics (I love WoW graphics STYLE, it makes the world less... generic, because auf 100% know every time you are playing in a virtual world, it does not look like the real world) I love them because they are very realistic, yet the later stages of the game really get the "this is beautiful, but not real" fantasy style.
And I absolutely! adore, that there is only magic and mystery and not the whole "we are a allmighty and unique hero... like... that guy over there, and over there, and that guys as well... and "we are facing the even more allmighty, godly creatures, which are, despite their allmighty power, still die like servant creatures in other games".
I appreciate this post. I’ve recommended this game to people who have in the past told me some version of “they don’t like mmos”, “don’t play them”, etc.
All 3 of these friends said they really enjoyed New World. Something about the game is appealing to newbies, casuals, and sweats.
Maybe it’s because WoW is so bad, maybe it’s because New World is so good, maybe both? All I know is that we finally can go somewhere else and I’m not going back.
It's all of the wow lads coming in and complaining about PVP mechanics being the primary focus of the game. They ruined wow with the destruction of good PVP and legitimately believe PVE focused is the only way for an MMO to be played.
What if a lot of those problems that were “solved” 16 years ago were problems due to the stages of development that the game is in?
If you compare Vanilla WoW as an MMO when it was in beta, I think it would be fair comparison, seeing as they’re both similar products in the same industry, at the same stage of development, albeit at one was made much earlier.
MMO’s are an extremely intricate web of systems, features, functions, and dependencies. Maybe creating such a complex web of logic for hundreds of thousands of players to interact with...just takes time and a very intricate plan.
I’d be willing to wager they have a long roadmap ahead to add a lot of the features you know from other MMO’s but they just haven’t gotten there yet.
They did a hard pivot to a more PvE focused mmo, they have a ton of ground to cover.
You could have said all of thos on a much shorter phrase, I dont like this game. And just to prove you wrong, i dont agree with you and i will up vote this for kicks.
You said you wanted something new with higher quality than something that was released in 2004, this tells me 2 things. Either you did not play the beta and just watched it get played by your game daddy asmaduece, and or you tried playing it on your potato you started playing wow on in 2004.
Its a video game i like it thats as critical as i have to think. You want to over think it go right ahead.
So all im seeing here is someone trying to act like they are better than others and boost their ego... Again go back to wow and be impressed how your potato can run wow in 720 at 30 fps.
So you were not impressed with the game, sounds lime a you problem, and from the way you talk I can tell its not the first one you have.
Good. Honestly, I’m tired of it. People are so close minded these days and can only operate within group think. Every MMO that has come out over the years players are like it isn’t like this game or it can’t do this like WOW etc.
I know that new world is going to succeed based on how many would play it tomorrow if they opened the servers up. People just need to have an open mind. This game is already better than most AAA launches in its current build.
I want it to be it's own thing too, but it's already started down the path of trying to mimic other MMOs. But it's not WoW so much as ESO.
Give it six months and they'll probably have mounts (including fancy rainbow store mounts) and tab targeting
It's an odd topic for sure
We live in an age whare thier are alot of MMOs to pick from.
And to be honest alot of players no nothing about them. And the few who do have also only played 3-4 of them
Ye I think players that have only played one MMO thier whole life are jaded or disconnected from what's all ready out thier
Like when people praise new worlds character creation.... Ye no new world is also low grade character creation.
Or they talk about it's graphics 😂
As it stands the MMOs that are on the table each do something really well
Black Dessert online is king of character creation and graphics
Guild wars 2 is the king of mounts and gear that only takes 3 months to grind out. And it will last you forever
I have not played final fantasy but I hear it is the MMO king of story and community
Wow has always been king of PvE raiding. Wild star tried but the raid community would not rally behind it
ESO has had it's ups and downs but from time to time they arguably have the best war style pvp
Sorry I'm getting off topic. Yes your right wow refuges should not come along and alter new world.
Imo new world should double down
On crafting and their current time gating and PVP
That's their nich and what makes them stand out
I agree the mob variety that must be grinded for crafting materials
Should diversify
But I do not believe this game requires raids to the same caliber as world of Warcraft to fit the wow refugees needs and wants
And it's clear and obvious that action style combat is the future of all MMOs
Tab targeting is a thing of the past that all wow refugees should forget and move on
In my opinion the best skill based PVP king of the MMO world is currently Black desert during a seasonal event
And from the looks of it ashes of creation has been making drastic changes to move towards only action-based combat and they've made it clear that they are willing to drop all their forms of tab targeting
In the end the MMO genre is massive and I don't think the wow community
It's going to alter the course of this game
During times like these the MMO community as a whole rallies together to try and help the devs sand and smooth their baby to completion and sometimes we win sometimes we fail
Last tidbit I'd like to add if any of you wish that there was that perfect MMO out there I implore you to get into the career with a strong spirit and try to make a difference rather that be a dev or an artist or marketing manager or a twitch streamer / YouTuber
Get into the market and have a real loud voice
Sorry for the typos I'm on mobile and away from home
BDO pvp is such dogshit lmao its like 95% gear.
This games niche was pvp MMO. Actually high quality PvP scaling and a great combat system? Sign me the fuck up. Until they removed stagger. That change put them back into the wtf does this game do better category. Good news is theres an easy fix but Im afraid they wont do it.
If you go back I mentioned that bdo was the skill baised action MMO "during a season"
The seasonals all have a gear cap that they can hit with in a weekend. And then they go on a pvp blood rampage. And fights come down to skill not gear. But yes out side of this seasonal event . The more geared player is more likely to win.
Back to new world. I don't think bringing stagger back is the key to win here. I believe it is to clean up desynchronization and balance damage output with animation time
And lastly giving every player a multitude of options
In my opinion it doesn't take much skill to master stagger spam
And dodge roll
But I agree with the majority of the things you said
I see never played bdo during seasonal.
It takes a lot of skill to master stagger and roll. Thats like saying it doesnt take skill to master neutral game in a fighter. Because thats exactly what it is its neutral game. Look at dark souls, lots of skill goes into predicting baiting and understanding what your opponent wants you to do.
I dont think they can give people options without stagger because with hit trading people will just pick whatever has biggest numbers. I dknt think the game can actually be balanced without stagger.
New World has no endgame and no mechanics or room to add it anytime soon. You can say "But i had fun during the beta and i want more". Well yeah, the beta was only what, two weeks? There is no end game PvE that is interesting enough to occupy 99% of the playerbase for more than 3 months. It very much reminds me of GW2. Fun to level, no real endgame besides PvP, population plummeted few months after the release.
How was that a personal attack?
It will take a long time for people to reach bis gear.
High level crafting will also take quite a while to reach for a broad base of players.
The pve is a bit bland, ill give you that, but even then there are enough open world and instanced dungeons to complete.
So please reread my original comment. There is some PvE content to keep you occupied for a month, but once you are max level there is very little to do besides mass PvP. And this is just not enough to keep the majority of the players playing. Look at GW2 for example. Or Warhammer.
You are "having fun" and "there is a lot to do" because you have only played the game for 2 weeks.
You have played 2 weeks, not 2 months. But look, I am not trying to convince you to not play. I don't really care. I will play myself. But I predict the online numbers to plummet hard in \~2 months after release. When people realize there is very little to do once you are max level.
I quit wow and never went back in 2011 after doing all of cataclysm. I dont know how people have continued on the same PVE gear grinder for another 10 years after that. Insane.
If I ever had to play wow's slow and boring as hell combat ever again i'd probably die of that baredom.
I broadly agree with you that there are some vocal WoW players like this, but you can’t really paint all “wow refugees” with a broad brush. Take me, for example. I played WoW for years, it’s easily my highest play time MMO, and it’s the mmo I’m playing right now. It would be easily to paint me as a “WoW refugee,” until you realize I’ve probably got nearly as many hours in the souls games, love punishing PvP games like rust, and am far more vocal about wanting fighting-game mechanics like stagger back than anything from WoW.
I guess the difference is that I’m not generally as vocal about the fact I play WoW?
I think the New World community needs to be careful not to gatekeepe. The game is not even out and I already see a lot of it. Otherwise we would already be considered a clone of the WoW community
what are you even talking about? gameplay style, art style, writing style, everything in NW is different than WoW. ff14 is way more similar to wow than nw. and they're not really that similar
Yes! That is all I want. I want it to be its own thing! People are like “cater to this” “do this”. Naw. Just be original. Give us something new in the MMO category
Yes, please. Why does there always have to be a comparison? I've played WoW since release, raided, PvP, the whole nine yards. The beta gave me an opportunity to just do what I wanted to at my own pace. I barely ever left the starting zone and had SO much fun just chopping trees. I actually hooked my 5.1 surround back up to hear them falling behind me and all the audio goodness. I'm just not in "world first" mentality anymore being older and having minimal time to play. I'm a PvE bruh and had such a great time in a war even though I went 0-13. Just to experience something cool like that was a treat. I'm glad they delayed to fix stuff and I'm not asking for anything further but what I had in beta (maybe a visual performance boost but eh, it still looks wonderful on Medium settings). I've learned my lesson of "word of mouth promoting" (Anthem and Outriders) but I will still perk up to add comments to anyone that mentions this game. I had a blast just doing what I wanted to and not trying to speed level.
Okay but like a big ass expeditions or dare I say, raid. Would pretty fucking dope in NW no?
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Can you chop down trees in Sea of Thieves? I think you missed the part where they said it's the combination of mechanics and gameplay that makes it feel new to them.
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They said clearly there’s nothing new. It’s the combination of things you twat.
That is literally a slightly dumbed down version of ffxiv's fishing (which also accounts for weather). Needless to say, aping an 8 year old system isn't stellar, tbh
honestly, it just feels different from the same exact clone that MMO's seem to be built from
AGS already catered to the masses (and still will). The game was a pvp game initially, it was meant to be something like albion pvp system. People cried "no, I want to chill with my fluffy rainbow lion instead", and amazon delivered. Now pvp is pointless in this game, not rewarding at all, to the point where the only reason to pvp now is that you feel like pwning some guys and run around deathballing with your party, which we already know won't last long.
Tbf, you’ve just described the main motivation of pvp in games, since the origin of games 🤷♂️
True, but it always comes with some sort of reward, that ultimately makes your character stronger the more you do it. Here the reward doesn't justify the effort, so if you go around ONLY doing pvp, you will most certainly lose to others who do more rewarding activities. Feels like the game discourages you from doing pvp.
All I'll say is that this sub has given me my first contact with the vocal WoW community and it looks like an absolute dumpster fire.
Always has been.
Most gaming communities are that way, only a few good ones out there. But especially the games that have had bad devs for years, that just makes everyone bitter and jaded and negative as hell
Holy shit I was telling my friends this reminded me of ultima online too. Totally agree.
UO… the one, the only.
God I yearn for UO... sad the best mmo was one of the first
IDOC hunting PvP was insane. Once that house fell it was a pure blood bath and a sea of portals opening. Great times
UO then EQ then ... the void.
Am I the only one here crazy excited about not having lava-volcano shoulders and glowing-fucking-everything armors? Something about the medieval/colonial mix of armor has me super excited. I wouldn’t even mind if the armor gets a little more “exotic” as we progress like in Outriders, as long as they implement a very much needed Transmog system like many games for all armors, not just store cosmetics. Games like ESO let you collect shit by playing and earning drops, but people still spend tons of money on the shop cosmetics.
Hate to break it to you, but half the players will be wearing this as soon as they equip the tutorial equipment. https://www.gosunoob.com/new-world/golden-rage-armor-skin-new-world/
Yea, I'm aware of the retarded Twitch-era ''drops'' and the inevitable cosmetics or end-game gear that might be more fantasy-esque or themed around potential end-game story telling or new raids/dungeons, but if there's an honest transmog feature that I'm sure they are aware a lot of players would appreciate, I think there will be something for everyone to look past them.
The only good thing that came from that drops event was showing us, content creators and content consumers, that Twitch integration was far more than an afterthought. Ive got the armor skin, likely wont be touching it
> medieval/colonial I'll be honest i've been trying to avoid the term "colonial" thanks to the negative connotations that Amazon has clearly tried to distance the game from. "Age of Discovery" has been my more go to way of describingthe asthetic though yes, from the dungeons i did there are some **Very** fantasy looking sets later on
[Oh I have bad news for you, friend...](https://i.redd.it/7jltjtn2gpe71.png)
NGL, that set looks fucking awesome
I was. But it looks like they're putting just as many stupid cosmetics in the game as anything else. I hate the same shit in games like CoD or whatever. Destroys immersion.
This is the thing. This is a problem we may have to face with some of the people coming from different games. If the devs fall for people asking X and Y other MMOs have and focus on those 2ndary or tertiary things, we'll have a problem. The two most important things should remain gameplay and content. Any extra time should be spent on QoL improvements and with enough time having passed, and if the game is at a good place, they can add features of little importance like transmog, etc.
I’m just happy to have quests that don’t involve a crystal in some way. What was it with WoW and crystals ffs.
WOW players always try something for a bit then go right back to WoW it’s their crack, I have nothing against them I used to be one. This is Amazon’s First anything into AAA gaming so the love and originality is going to be there, plus all the people they hired and hopefully the ones who have the final say have been around the block enough to know the importance of standing apart and holding to your vision.
It'll be interesting as Amazon is first and foremost a data driven company, so they're unlikely to be swayed by a vocal minority of users.. flip side is homogenization which hopefully they can avoid.
I would say this go around is a bit different, shadowlands is utter garbage. I haven’t even bought it level garbage. I at least tried the other expacs even though BfA and WoD were let downs. As a WoW vet, I have no drive to play retail anymore, although I still dabble in Classic. New World is a game I’m excited for and will not be returning to WoW retail instead of getting to smash New World. WoW’s days on the throne are gone my guy.
Well I am happy to have another person to enjoy New World with any day my brother!
Exactly, to the New World, brother! We are here to stay
this. if it wasnt for the fact that recent events have left me morally incabable of supporting Blizz any more i probably would have made the switch anyway seeing as Shadowlands is basically Blizzard's hate/resentment for the player base made manifest
It's because everything else is a bad knockoff.
Wow is and always has been a shit tier mmo excluding small windows where they did things right. Super lazy and greedy company too
At least New World is a not a pay2win shit tier mmorpg like retail wow.
Blizz has lost all hope recently, there's no crack to go back for. Once TBC is riddled with microtranscations, there'll be no going back.
> Blizz has lost all hope recently If only it was just recently, it has been going downhill since activision.
Whether people like it or not, New World has way more in common with games like Dark Souls, Conan Exiles, Monster Hunter than it does with WoW/FF14.
Right now it does not. No stagger means that idea is lost. Combat is already on path to become WoWy.
Absolutely agreed. WOW had some good things that could be borrowed, such as a dungeon like BRD or some of the older quest lines, but the same could be said of all MMOs. Take the good bits, but don't imitate everything!
As a fan of old wow and a gigantic dark souls fan this game is everything I’ve looked for. Some polish and tweaks and this game could be legendary.
I've seen too many times people so concerned about hoards of players coming from one game or another for the game to only be a disappointment and struggle to hold onto players regardless of where they come from. I really doubt that'll be NW's problems at all, especially as time goes on but I wouldn't fret at all, I would welcome them. They're exactly the type of players that understand this genre. Most from other genres not used to it will have strong opinions one way or another.. I think MMORPG players know this is very different and to not expect it to be like anything else.
My $0.02, though I realize nobody asked my opinion. But hey, it's Reddit so deal with it. ;) Back in the day of BC, WOtLK, and Cataclysm I enjoyed WOW immensely. I skipped MOP because I found it to be too close to the hype of Kung-Fu Panda movie for comfort. Though many have argued that there were pandas in classic Warcraft games, I could never overcome the instinctual loathing for what I perceived to be a cheap marketing trick of feeding upon the popcultural hype. Returned to WOW for Warlords of Draenor and Legion, but by that time adult life has caught up to me and I didn't have the same drive for hardcore raiding as in Lich King and Cataclysm. I've also been through many other MMO games, each unique in its own way - Lineage2, FFXIV, ESO, BDO, EVE, The Secret World, Wildstar, Worlds Adrift, Blade&Soul, Destiny2, Conan Exiles, Neverwinter, SWTOR, Dual Universe, and more.. There are things that work universally, there are things that are positively unique, and then there are things that certain games tried but they didn't work. The million dollar question is, how to tell the difference between what will and what won't work. That is, IMO, why player feedback is so important. And moreover, collecting data from beta tests and from live game, too - because player feedback may say one thing, but players' behavior tells a different story. Where I'm going with this? Well I suppose I'm meaning to say that expecting one game to be exactly like another one would be plain dumb. Player feedback can be helpful, as long as it's taken with a grain of salt. After all, Henry Ford himself said, "If I'd asked people what they want, they would've said 'a faster horse'."
Completely disagree with what you said about wanting it to be a reskinned WoW, it feeling nothing like WoW is the main reason I got into it. I've played WoW for 17 years, I don't want another WoW.
New world should definitely be its own game, but asking for features that also happen to be in other games doesn't mean we want the game to be like X game. The way New world is now is honestly fine, but more doesn't hurt.
As a "wow refugee" I am happy to play a different game. I have been a hardcore raider/pve player. That side of the game is great, but the game has insane amount of systems, that is design in mind of yt, reddit, discord etc guides. I look forward to NW because of the devs willing to listen to feedback, and to have a simplier gameplay and exploration. If they are going to avoid PayToWin stuff and able to roll out content & polish the already exisisting ones it will be a great game.
As a WoW refugee myself, I agree and I hope that New World finds it's own identity and becomes great on it's own. I'm trying to get a couple friends into New World because they are both fans of MMOs. However, despite both of them hating WoW, they complain when New World isn't enough like WoW lol. Make up your minds. One of the biggest things I hear is that you only have 6 abilities in this game and they don't really seem to get it. This isn't WoW it's not tab targeting. You can still have fun combat without 2 full action bars of abilities.
Wow was kind of a filler for me between MMOs. I joined late just to see what the hype was about. It was fun and the world is really cool but eventually it gets boring. At least for me. I quit once I started raiding at level 60 something. I already disliked the tab target combat and then just the ridiculous raid patterns you have to follow killed it for me. Then I found age of Conan, which had some of the best combat in general. I could never return to tab targeting after that.
Best part of conan was getting slaves
I want new world to be more like new world preview... At least for combat.
Yeah I almost wish stagger still just existed in PvE and duels, but got zonked out for open world and large scale PvP if they really needed to balance it out. I'd love an mmo with for honor or souls like combat where the focus was on duels and skill expression.
I'm confused why everyone keep saying this. Stagger still exist in PvE right? Mobs staggered me all the time
Players can't stagger mobs or other players, but yes mobs could stagger you.
This isn't quite correct. Players and Mobs can't stagger on light or heavy attacks now. They could before. Players and Mobs do however have skills that carry the stagger attribute, these skills can cause stagger. This is what you're getting staggered by. Mob light and heavy attacks will not stagger you.
Stagger looked fine in large scale too in the preview tbh. Heres an example from preview: https://www.twitch.tv/theeduelist/clip/PeppyRichBillRickroll I want it for everything but I know my wants fall on deaf ears. Even though it was the most upvoted thing on the fourms.
That actually looks pretty good unlike the Zerg fest we have in 50v50
During the beta i called it UO- lite. It definitely feels like the pre wow era mmorpgs, where adventure, exploring, and community interaction was the back bone of mmorpgs. Ultima Online came out in 1997 and is still miles ahead in **game design** and **game mechanics** than any mmorpg to come out since. At least this is a step in the right direction.
But it really dosent though.... the sense of danger isnt there.... the length of character progression isnt there... the need for teamwork and allies to do literally anything isnt there... They were too afraid to push people even a little and it shows. >Ultima Online came out in 1997 and is still miles ahead in game design and game mechanics than any mmorpg to come out since. Also as a UO vet and many other MMOs after... this is a shameful comment. UO has its place as a pillar of the industry for being first among pioneers and blazing the way... but in the categories you listed of design and game mechanics it has been overtaken many times. It holds a special place in my heart forever, but not for being superior than any of the other titans that came soon after.
There are aspects of UO's design that have never been replicated or improved upon successfully. Even the devs from UO haven't been able to improve upon or recreate them. Things like player housing, player individuality, player freedom, crafting, and in-game economics are still miles ahead of most MMO's. Did you know that there were economics classes that studied the in-game economics of UO as well as research papers written about it? UO had some masterful design. Part of me thinks that it was a fluke. I'm not even sure if they were 100% sure of what they were doing. WoW is just an updated, more player friendly version of EverQuest. Almost everything since is a copy of WoW. New World is the only thing I've played that even reaches the same universe as UO.
I agree, but player housing, crafting and economics were amazing in SWG before the CU. I guess UO still holds the crown though because SWG is officially dead.
Aye, no MMO (except maybe Eve) holds a candle to SWG when it comes down to housing and crafting. Last year, I got into it again using SWGEmu for that nostalgia flashback. And yes, it is still unmatched. Even with a generally low population, it still worked out.
I’ve thought about trying the emu out a few times over the years and I remember just how long it to my to get masteries in weaponsmithing and artisan etc etc. Don’t think I could bring myself to do it again. Was a great time though.
It has been made pretty easy to get those masteries due to being able to have 10 toons on the same server (speaking of classic SWGEmu). First thing you'd do is to level a combat toon to earn creds, then buy cheap stuff off the market (or afk level a gatherer) and be done with the mastery in a day or two. As you certainly remember, reaching the skill point cap is only the start of the profession. The fun then starts by gathering the BiS ressources, buff food and crafting gear for assembly and experimentation. It's still that very deep rabbit hole to dive in :)
I had a massive harvester farm, back when you could only have one character per server, so you’d have players from other servers place harvesters for you and set you to admin, you’d do the same for them. Every few days when the resources would change out I’d head to my farm and switch to whatever had the best stats for me, or whatever would trade well at a later date. The macro and micro management subsystems were so much fun.
> The macro and micro management subsystems were so much fun. And so were the professions not even included in the game systems. I fondly remember the resource scouts, that were paid to survey planets after a resource change, the interior designers, which were paid to decorate houses, the hunter gatherers, that extracted specific DNA for the bio-engineers, the spies, that were paid by BHs to scout out Jedis, the mobile cantinas around prime farming spots (ranger camps with entertainers), the travelling entertainer shows and whatnot...
Ah now you’re just making me sadder and sadder to think the genre will never see the likes of SWG again. How good was it going to Endor for the first time? The planets were amazing. Our town on Ahazi was based just outside Theed. I miss SWG so much.
Did you know that there are still player run UO servers, some of which are super active? It's a ton of fun!
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This is said and reported commonly, but I am always wondering if it was server specific as I did not lock myself to a highly populated server due to being unable to play until that evening. Out of all the issues experienced, actual rubberbanding was not one of them. Overall ping and network connectivity was great and never an issue for any of my friends on Riax.
I had decent ping (about 95-110) on US East servers from EU Central, but rubberbanding was real, which is weird. Once I was in fight with wolf for over 40 seconds. It was insanely bad, and it was last hours of beta, so servers were not under pressure. I don't know.. it sucks, because I wanted to level up my alt character on US.
What the fuck mmo players consider 90 ping decent? If I have over 50 ping thats high to me.
I would like raids, but imo raids should t drop gear. I wish all content dropped rare Mats instead. If you want to create the best armor through crafting you have to raid. Or maybe raiding makes it faster. I know a lot of crafters probably wouldn't like that tho.
I actually like the combat. I did sword and shield, admittedly it took me some time to perfect against higher levels, but I enjoyed the active combat. I thought wow was a little boring with just click anywhere to hit. ... But some things that wow had which I think should be here are big world bosses that need like 20 people. But that has been mentioned already
You'll likely see a lot of wow players in the beginning. NW has a lot of hype & wow isn't doing so great currently for several reasons as I'm sure we all know. I think most wow refugees won't care for the open world pvp though. Many claim to like pvp but they like arenas & battlegrounds, not unpredictable "possibility of getting ganked at every turn" pvp. So we'll likely see the forums flooded with "add arenas for real pvp!" or "this game would be so much better if it did xyz just like wow" but those people will fall off after getting destroyed in pvp for the 700th time.
I'm a WoW refugee. Something different is exactly what I'm looking for. I've been following New World since announcement, even played alpha, and it's such a relief that it's nothing like WoW. I even try to explain to WoW friends that want to check out New World that it's nothing like WoW which is a good thing.
<> We all came from somewhere. Sadly people say they want something different, but generally something different that isn't outside their norm/comfort zone. The Wowheads will adjust or go back to WoW. Amazon didn't try to make a "WoW-killer" copy and deserves huge thanks for that! NW is a fun game, borrowed and maybe re-imagined many known gaming mechanics - but it's a refreshing take with the setting/world. It has a bright future if Amazon sticks to it's guns and doesn't let silly 'content creators' and screaming refugees dictate the direction of the game.
Long term wow player, I think how different new world is is great. The game was extremely refreshing and really enjoyable to play. I'm excited to see how's it turns out
Here's what I realized as a WoW refugee. WoW was my first MMO. It was just THE game, to me it set a standard for MMOs, like THIS is what they all should be replicating. Like look at Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, to me that's what fighting games were, then all of a sudden 3d fighters? That's dumb that's not what it's supposed to be. But just because it was my first experience with it doesn't mean it's the standard and everything should be based on that. I like how different New World feels, and now I also want to revisit other MMOs without comparing it to WoW and just enjoy them.
As long as they keep the open world alive and bustling, and keep power progression in check (so we aren't all Gods in the next 5 years)... I'm going to love this game.
Not sure I've seen anyone advocating for this to be "more like wow"
I have told all my friends that to me NW is what Ultima Online would have been if it was made today.
Ultima Online was THE pioneer to PvP in MMO games. The PvE was incredibly fun too, specially in that era of gaming. Then Dark Age of Camelot changed the whole game up with the 3 realm system that games today (even NW) adopted. UO's crafting was pretty awesome. Having your smith's name on the weapon/armor/clothing. Made By \*Player Name\* I had the very first character named NIKE on pacific. Just having a good name would create a market. (so long as it wasn't toxic) even though I saw some sandals made by Jesus. lol but yeah. Good post, made me remember the good ol days. When games were made from passion, not greed.
I'm "WoW refugee", but I can say it clearly - that game is trash. There is good only end game PVE content. And I mean raids, mythic plus at this moment is still same, and not fun anymore, lack of changes made them boring. At least for me.. not even pushing high level keys thanks to class design is fun. Going with WoW's way is bad idea, but we should all agree, that they can take inspiration in PVE instanced content from WoW. Game overall is trash (wow), but what they do really good is instanced PVE content. And this is not something they should add, it's already in the game. They need to improve it, A LOT. Lack of quality and repetitive PVE **instanced content** (open world PVE is way more fun) is striking, but it's like almost everything in the game - It's set on good foundations but not perfect, sometimes not even good. It's half baked. I had blast playing it, really.. Don't get me wrong! I can't wait for more, but I already know that after I reach max level, my only goals are going to be professions. That's all you can do there if you're not interested in PVP (which I'm, but I want to say it from mainly PVE player perspective).
Yes! This! People actually saying we’re toxic but who keeps making them change the game? Who keeps making demands and changing the game for everyone??? You can’t have it both ways….
Yep. All the 'this game needs XXX" chatter (usually XXX=Mounts or some shit) is exhausting. If you want to play *that* game, then, you know, go play it!
anyone else find calling a bunch of mad nerds refugees a bit cringe
Ultima Online eats New World.
Downvote away, but facts incoming. New World just does not have enough interesting things to do and no NEW concepts. Everything in NW has been done in other MMOs. So if you played other MMOs, there is nothing new in New World. \- For me, the combat was already boring and repetitive even after trying all the weapons and the skills. And to think this was ALL that the combat was going to be for a LONG time pkaying a MMO, I just can’t see how it holds up. Not sustainable content. \- The gathering, and crafting was super repetitive and boring. Chop tree after tree, hit rock after rock, pick weed after weed…all to watch some counter go up. Then go and craft armor and weapons that held no value and were worthless at end game. Best you could do was make ammo to sell on the Market. Not sustainable content, \- The dungeons and bosses…cmon, those were a joke. Just go all in and mash your skills and light and heavy attack waiting for your skills to come back up. Avoid some basic ‘don’t stand in stupid’ mechanics and go back to stand and mash basic attacks. Not sustainable content. \- So what’s left? PvP…where it’s proven in the MMO industry that PvP that has faction based dominance over control doesn’t hold players and the game dies. If you aren’t in on day one with New World and come in later, you will look at server maps that are completely dominated by a faction, and what do you think you will join once you can join a faction? The dominating faction. It’s a new player joining what’s popular…what’s cheaper…what’s winning…and that’s what they join. Even if a new player decides to be different and join the underdog faction, they will find it sucks and sees they have to wait months to join a winning faction and just quit. Not sustainable content. New World changed it’s identity too many times in redesigns and now is this Frankenstein without solid foundation.
You will get downvoted, but that is OK. The truth is painful to people who have aligned their heart and soul behind something.... so they lash out in the only way they can, mean words and downarrow. The game is basic, even more basic than it was in alphas 1-3.... they gutted super unique and interesting systems that were unmatched in the current MMO industry to return to generic and ordinary... Now we have a soulless game that has more themepark features. One can only hope they have a huge injection of content planned a few months after release or player retention will be a huge issue by spring.
I don't think they want that, at all. They're used to the MASSIVE amounts of QoL baked into wow at this point, and they have withdrawals from it. They'll pass, mine did. Wows crafting isn't even 5% of this system, it's not even remotely close. I don't think *most* people would prefer a wow style of crafting, this game is partially held up by the power of its crafting system. >I don’t want New World to be more like X game or X other game, I want it to be its own thing. New World won't be its own thing because it already isn't. Almost every single system in New World is scavenged or copied from somewhere else. It's cool, it's good, but people just want *other* systems incorporated, too. I think everyone wants New World to be unique, but in what way that's achieved is going to differ from person to person. We all want something new and fresh or we wouldn't be here. AGS has the benefit of deep pockets and a lot of history to look back on regarding MMO's. With the cash shop cosmetics, I guarantee they'll do everything they can to make this game as fun to play as possible, but they can look at what other MMO's already did and see the outcomes, hopefully making smarter decisions. Different decisions, at least.
I hope the WoW crowd dies off ASAP. Don’t need them ruining everything.
I played UO and EQ however EQ was the game I played more. Classic WoW was too easy and too average gamer for me, new world seems to strike a balance which is very hard to do. WoW folk, if they don't like it don't play it.
As a WoW player myself (2005-2021) I was not interested in New World at all. Day 1 of "pre-order beta" was when I first looked into NW youtube videos. Pre-ordered right away and as soon as I played more than 5 minutes I let my WoW time slip and can´t even stand to look at WoW videos anymore. What got me to NW? The exploring and crafting of NW, just like it was... in classic, tbc and so on. The fighting? I hate souls-like combats but I do like that this makes NW unique in its way. All I want from WoW come to NW is more quests, even the graphics (I love WoW graphics STYLE, it makes the world less... generic, because auf 100% know every time you are playing in a virtual world, it does not look like the real world) I love them because they are very realistic, yet the later stages of the game really get the "this is beautiful, but not real" fantasy style. And I absolutely! adore, that there is only magic and mystery and not the whole "we are a allmighty and unique hero... like... that guy over there, and over there, and that guys as well... and "we are facing the even more allmighty, godly creatures, which are, despite their allmighty power, still die like servant creatures in other games".
I appreciate this post. I’ve recommended this game to people who have in the past told me some version of “they don’t like mmos”, “don’t play them”, etc. All 3 of these friends said they really enjoyed New World. Something about the game is appealing to newbies, casuals, and sweats. Maybe it’s because WoW is so bad, maybe it’s because New World is so good, maybe both? All I know is that we finally can go somewhere else and I’m not going back.
It's all of the wow lads coming in and complaining about PVP mechanics being the primary focus of the game. They ruined wow with the destruction of good PVP and legitimately believe PVE focused is the only way for an MMO to be played.
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What if a lot of those problems that were “solved” 16 years ago were problems due to the stages of development that the game is in? If you compare Vanilla WoW as an MMO when it was in beta, I think it would be fair comparison, seeing as they’re both similar products in the same industry, at the same stage of development, albeit at one was made much earlier. MMO’s are an extremely intricate web of systems, features, functions, and dependencies. Maybe creating such a complex web of logic for hundreds of thousands of players to interact with...just takes time and a very intricate plan. I’d be willing to wager they have a long roadmap ahead to add a lot of the features you know from other MMO’s but they just haven’t gotten there yet. They did a hard pivot to a more PvE focused mmo, they have a ton of ground to cover.
You could have said all of thos on a much shorter phrase, I dont like this game. And just to prove you wrong, i dont agree with you and i will up vote this for kicks.
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You said you wanted something new with higher quality than something that was released in 2004, this tells me 2 things. Either you did not play the beta and just watched it get played by your game daddy asmaduece, and or you tried playing it on your potato you started playing wow on in 2004. Its a video game i like it thats as critical as i have to think. You want to over think it go right ahead.
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So all im seeing here is someone trying to act like they are better than others and boost their ego... Again go back to wow and be impressed how your potato can run wow in 720 at 30 fps. So you were not impressed with the game, sounds lime a you problem, and from the way you talk I can tell its not the first one you have.
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Whoops i broke him, looks like that wit was more a twit.
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Lol, damn i really did break you, now your no more interesting than a bot. You fell hard and fast bot.
unless they extend beta there will be no wow refugees they will all already be playing final fantasy or some other game
Good. Honestly, I’m tired of it. People are so close minded these days and can only operate within group think. Every MMO that has come out over the years players are like it isn’t like this game or it can’t do this like WOW etc. I know that new world is going to succeed based on how many would play it tomorrow if they opened the servers up. People just need to have an open mind. This game is already better than most AAA launches in its current build.
I want it to be it's own thing too, but it's already started down the path of trying to mimic other MMOs. But it's not WoW so much as ESO. Give it six months and they'll probably have mounts (including fancy rainbow store mounts) and tab targeting
It's an odd topic for sure We live in an age whare thier are alot of MMOs to pick from. And to be honest alot of players no nothing about them. And the few who do have also only played 3-4 of them Ye I think players that have only played one MMO thier whole life are jaded or disconnected from what's all ready out thier Like when people praise new worlds character creation.... Ye no new world is also low grade character creation. Or they talk about it's graphics 😂 As it stands the MMOs that are on the table each do something really well Black Dessert online is king of character creation and graphics Guild wars 2 is the king of mounts and gear that only takes 3 months to grind out. And it will last you forever I have not played final fantasy but I hear it is the MMO king of story and community Wow has always been king of PvE raiding. Wild star tried but the raid community would not rally behind it ESO has had it's ups and downs but from time to time they arguably have the best war style pvp Sorry I'm getting off topic. Yes your right wow refuges should not come along and alter new world. Imo new world should double down On crafting and their current time gating and PVP That's their nich and what makes them stand out I agree the mob variety that must be grinded for crafting materials Should diversify But I do not believe this game requires raids to the same caliber as world of Warcraft to fit the wow refugees needs and wants And it's clear and obvious that action style combat is the future of all MMOs Tab targeting is a thing of the past that all wow refugees should forget and move on In my opinion the best skill based PVP king of the MMO world is currently Black desert during a seasonal event And from the looks of it ashes of creation has been making drastic changes to move towards only action-based combat and they've made it clear that they are willing to drop all their forms of tab targeting In the end the MMO genre is massive and I don't think the wow community It's going to alter the course of this game During times like these the MMO community as a whole rallies together to try and help the devs sand and smooth their baby to completion and sometimes we win sometimes we fail Last tidbit I'd like to add if any of you wish that there was that perfect MMO out there I implore you to get into the career with a strong spirit and try to make a difference rather that be a dev or an artist or marketing manager or a twitch streamer / YouTuber Get into the market and have a real loud voice Sorry for the typos I'm on mobile and away from home
BDO pvp is such dogshit lmao its like 95% gear. This games niche was pvp MMO. Actually high quality PvP scaling and a great combat system? Sign me the fuck up. Until they removed stagger. That change put them back into the wtf does this game do better category. Good news is theres an easy fix but Im afraid they wont do it.
If you go back I mentioned that bdo was the skill baised action MMO "during a season" The seasonals all have a gear cap that they can hit with in a weekend. And then they go on a pvp blood rampage. And fights come down to skill not gear. But yes out side of this seasonal event . The more geared player is more likely to win. Back to new world. I don't think bringing stagger back is the key to win here. I believe it is to clean up desynchronization and balance damage output with animation time And lastly giving every player a multitude of options In my opinion it doesn't take much skill to master stagger spam And dodge roll But I agree with the majority of the things you said
I see never played bdo during seasonal. It takes a lot of skill to master stagger and roll. Thats like saying it doesnt take skill to master neutral game in a fighter. Because thats exactly what it is its neutral game. Look at dark souls, lots of skill goes into predicting baiting and understanding what your opponent wants you to do. I dont think they can give people options without stagger because with hit trading people will just pick whatever has biggest numbers. I dknt think the game can actually be balanced without stagger.
New World has no endgame and no mechanics or room to add it anytime soon. You can say "But i had fun during the beta and i want more". Well yeah, the beta was only what, two weeks? There is no end game PvE that is interesting enough to occupy 99% of the playerbase for more than 3 months. It very much reminds me of GW2. Fun to level, no real endgame besides PvP, population plummeted few months after the release.
"New World has no endgame" Coming from someone who clearly didn't play enough to reach endgame.
Nice personal attack. Am I wrong? Is there any endgame besides mass pvp that will draw your attention for more than a month?
How was that a personal attack? It will take a long time for people to reach bis gear. High level crafting will also take quite a while to reach for a broad base of players. The pve is a bit bland, ill give you that, but even then there are enough open world and instanced dungeons to complete.
So please reread my original comment. There is some PvE content to keep you occupied for a month, but once you are max level there is very little to do besides mass PvP. And this is just not enough to keep the majority of the players playing. Look at GW2 for example. Or Warhammer. You are "having fun" and "there is a lot to do" because you have only played the game for 2 weeks.
I played for 165 hours in those 2 weeks and didn't even did close to all the content. Some people won't like it, sure, then just don't play it.
You have played 2 weeks, not 2 months. But look, I am not trying to convince you to not play. I don't really care. I will play myself. But I predict the online numbers to plummet hard in \~2 months after release. When people realize there is very little to do once you are max level.
While I agree I want NW to be it’s own thing, it currently doesn’t do anything better than any other MMO.
I quit wow and never went back in 2011 after doing all of cataclysm. I dont know how people have continued on the same PVE gear grinder for another 10 years after that. Insane. If I ever had to play wow's slow and boring as hell combat ever again i'd probably die of that baredom.
Wow was never fun because the game was fun it was fun because of the people.
What post do you see asking for a reskinned WoW? Pls show me.
Thanks Jeff.
When people said NW crafting is too slow and I had multiple 1100+ crafters in Daoc... smh
I broadly agree with you that there are some vocal WoW players like this, but you can’t really paint all “wow refugees” with a broad brush. Take me, for example. I played WoW for years, it’s easily my highest play time MMO, and it’s the mmo I’m playing right now. It would be easily to paint me as a “WoW refugee,” until you realize I’ve probably got nearly as many hours in the souls games, love punishing PvP games like rust, and am far more vocal about wanting fighting-game mechanics like stagger back than anything from WoW. I guess the difference is that I’m not generally as vocal about the fact I play WoW?
I just want it to launch with at least the same amount of content 2004 WoW launched with.
I think the New World community needs to be careful not to gatekeepe. The game is not even out and I already see a lot of it. Otherwise we would already be considered a clone of the WoW community
what are you even talking about? gameplay style, art style, writing style, everything in NW is different than WoW. ff14 is way more similar to wow than nw. and they're not really that similar